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Anyways, told him ive only been violent once. when i was given lexapro instead of OC by a dealer. so i took that i paid for back from the guy. other than that, just keep to myself. Said I'd never hurt myself or commit suicide cause i dont believe in the afterlife. I'd just shoot heroic doses of heroin if i felt that bad, and said i don't understand why people ever commit suicide instead of just doing heroin or something. which is true.

After I leave the office, 15 minutes I get a call. The Psych paid for by my universities tuition fees is usually backlogged 4 months. I got an apt mid April a week ago when I mentioned schizo affective (Just magically opened up). Suddenly, next week she's ready. FISHY.

Would they commit someone already going willingly to get meds? I am taking an Anti psychotic already. I'm getting suspicious they're gonna stick me with haldol and lie about what I said to get me 'stabalized'
I told him I was happier manic than baseline, and baseline for me is grey, no motivation, no desire to do more than exist. But right now I like talking and am motivated and enjoy life. i told him i'd rather do opiates again, but sniff OC, not shoot smack. than go back to depression or not caring about life and just wanting to sleep.

Any of that warrant an Invol Committal of a Schizo in Cali? I was polite, friendly, nice. Already had an appt with the MD planned. If the MD forces me to go to hospital, my life is ruined and my parents life is too due to the debt, ill never see a doctor again, iil lie about everything and mimic normals like i have forever to blend in and get out as soon as possible.

And her....well. For both our sakes I hope she doesn't try to lock me up. I wont be there for life and she better hope she moved her practice in 72 hours if she tries to abuse the Invol commit and lie to get me 'stabalized' AKA anhedonic and sedated.

>Can I be Involuntarily Committed to the ward if I have no thoughts of hurting others and am against suicide?
Depends on where you are. Where I am, "likely to deteriorate mentally or physically without treatment" is enough to get you committed, so it's basically entirely up to whether some psychiatrist thinks you need treatment. In some places, it has to be "dangerous to oneself or others".

I don't think they can do anything unless you're suicidal with a plan. Or want to hurt someone else, and have a plan.

>>5645177
Southern California.

>>5645166
>I wont be there for life and she better hope she moved her practice in 72 hours
The 72 hours is usually a limit on how long they can take to decide whether to keep you longer.

They can keep you there for life, if they think it's necessary.

>>5645180
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5150_%28Involuntary_psychiatric_hold%29

"a danger to others, or to himself or herself, or gravely disabled"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bLYeSwMVg_0

>>5645185
Good luck at that when i'm actively trying to hide shit.

>>5645194
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5150_%28Involuntary_psychiatric_hold%29
I don't fit that though. I just watch TV and go on the internet and talk on skype. But i've heard stories of psychs bullshitting and lying to get bipolars and schizos committed.

>>5645199
Uh, I think nothing like that.

>why can I do up to 2 grams a night of Meth and be fine.
You're kidding yourself if you think recreational drug use won't make your problems worse.

Seriously, you're defending your drug habit at the same time that you're talking about being worried about being committed to a mental institution, and talking about ramping up your drug use as an alternative to suicide.

If you want to stay out of the nuthouse, accept that you have to stay off the drugs. In the first place, being a drug addict will demonstrate that you're unfit to care for yourself, and in the second place, it WILL make you less able to function.

And if you can keep shit under control, stay the fuck away from a psychiatrist who wants to label you as schizophrenic rather than schizoaffective.

Well you probably shouldn't have told anyone you use dangerous amounts of illegal drugs to cope with depression

>>5645194
>>5645199
So tell me. What kind of things makes you "Gravely Disabled?" Like med students who've seen this. Or people with active experience.

How often do doctors lie to abuse my type? Why would they have an appointment so soon when I was not a risk to anyone's health?

May just not go and not take meds any more. Just get high on my room and talk to my 1 friend. I'd rather do that than get locked up and have my life ruined.

>>5645241
>>5645238
Well, I wanted an accurate diagnosis. My speech issue was not taken seriously by my other person. He ignored uit.

My speech is getting bad and I want to be able to get better so I can flirt with my friend agian and get her inteested in me once more. Hers is getting worse too. But she used to be COMPLETELY in love with me as in, talk 8 hours a day and ask to fuck 5x a day. Last time i got on Respiridal, this was ruined and my speech got worse.

So....i thought maybe if i told about the gibberish speech, and problems thinking/writing I could get on a different med that fixed that?

Then I'd speak fluently before and stop being repulsive to females for my less than autistic social skills which I have currently due to speech.

>>5645242
>What kind of things makes you "Gravely Disabled?"
It's in the wikipedia article. It means you can't take care of your basic needs.

Study up on your rights, get a lawyer experienced with these kinds of cases, and for the love of god, get off the drugs. Remember that you can also be sent to prison. If you get picked up for a psychiatric hold, and they find drugs, there's no reason you can't be charged for possession.

>>5645249
It's a sad fact that psychiatric medications often cause brain damage. It's best to use as little as you need to be able to function, stay out of trouble, and enjoy life. But never go off them cold turkey.

Recreational drugs sure as fuck aren't good for your brain health. If you've got mental problems, just stay off them, especially if you're on psych meds. Drugs interact, you know.

>>5645260
Oh i make my own appointments, told him i showered when ever I left the house. Etc...

Doubt I count.

She can't call them and have my house raided for dope. She will lose her job. As my phone records will prove, literally no one knows about my use except my dealer and I. I never sold once. Then i get raided after admitting to a doctor? Bet she'd get jail time and lose her MD.

I don't carry drugs on me while I go to the doctor. But thank you for the reminder. I planned on doing some stimulants beforehand, incase they do sedate me. To be resistant. So I can pretend to be compliant, then fight the nurses off when in a position to escape and hide.

>>5645266
Well, make an anti depressant I can have sex on that works. And I will get off drugs.

I will not live my life in depression/anhedonia in the name of sobriety. And I will not live with a limp numb dick from SSRIS or a libido of a 80 year old man either. Why bother socializing if I can't do that? Be a cuckold? Fuck that shit

>>5645260
In Cali non violent drug crime = rehab not jail.

So I doubt that too, but i wont be having drugs one me

this is some heavy shit

i think you are right to be thinking quite para about it all but here's what you need to do

you need a decent lawyer, you cant hold down a decent lawyer without getting off the drugs.

no drugs makes you sad and grey? use your motivation to work on your problem to combat this. your lawyer will mean you get through it all intact and they will keep trying/giving you different shit till something works. then when you're back from this bad place you're in you can do all the drugs you missed out on (but why would you want to since your life has now never been better, dont go back to drugs)


plus the money you will save on no drugs will mean you can afford a lawyer. perfect

>>5645357
Unless I am manic via welbutrin + stressful/exciting event shooting me up.

Or on a meth high.

I do not have the motivation to even self analyze. or care to call my doctor. sometimes, i won't even bother calling my dealer if the phone is across the room, because ill have to get up, and talk and converse, then walk to the spot. i just sleep and lay there with my eyes clothed thinking about nothing.

i only go to school so i am not homeless. loans + parents let me live rent free if in college.

i dont have the motivation to go to class everyday. i miss lots. fall asleep in class or studying, ill fall asleep with the book out when on meds. dont care about much. don't enjoy talking to my one friend any more. she's honestly, like 9/10 and I wouldn't care enough to fuck her when she visited when i was on respirdal. id rather just lay in bed or sit in front of the computer playing a video game, but i kind of just stare at the screen and my mind goes off trailing. i suck at most games cause i can't focus any more.

but on meth, most of that goes away. it goes away on dexamp too, but I can't get my dick up on adderall or vyvanse. on good meth, i can stay hard for an hour.

only thing meth doesn't fix is the social withdrawal. I still stay in my room, but i chat online at least. it helps me have more than 3-4 word replies to people. like right now, i can write too much. sober, i cant think of shit to say and cant communciate...

frustrating. my brain is a piece of shit.

>>5645563
How sure are you that you're physically well?

I didn't have any really obvious signs of physical illness. I thought I just had some kind of motivation problem, and consequently lived in depressing circumstances. But I had various minor, subtle problems, like joint pain, insomnia, minor rashes, chapped lips, and digestive issues.

I didn't think any of this was related, but I went on an elimination diet to try and figure out if my digestive problems had a dietary cause, and took some vitamins (because an elimination diet tends to start off lacking in variety), and had everything get better at once, plus a bunch of other stuff like my eyesight and hearing that I hadn't even known were getting worse.

After a year and a half I'm still recovering, but I'm much better than I used to be. It seems that I had a middling serious form of celiac disease, and 90% of the difficulties in my life could be resolved with a gluten-free diet and some vitamin supplementation during recovery.

One of the first symptoms of vitamin deficiency is often a reduction of activity level, and complaints of lacking energy or motivation. With deficiencies of some vitamins, the nervous system deteriorates, possibly resulting in a wide variety of psychiatric symptoms.

Digestive problems aside, depression is a common symptom of many physical illnesses.

You are schizophrenic.
Shit sucks. It's like getting multiple sclerosis. No cure, but with drugs you can manage with a reduced quality of life.
Just go to a psych ward and get them to commit you. They will give you their kind of drugs and stabilize you. They're not trying to hurt you, they're trying to help everyone. They're the people that know how to do that best. (Fuck the Scientologists and other anti-psychiatry people.)

>>5645607
I speak gibberish sometimes. That is surefire schizophrenia is it not?

at age 15-16 i stopped showering for some reason, thought everyone hated me, wanted me hurt or wanted to hurt me, were planning something to humiliate me, id fake sick to get out of class those years, and performed worse at school. 21 first major psychotic break.

Fits the time line.

I can try eating better and taking a virtamin i guess. i had blood work done by my other guy. normal

>>5645563
If you use stimulant drugs, it is typical for your baseline state between doses to become depressive, and for you to require the drug to reach a normal level of alertness and interest. This happens even with caffeine: getting your coffee only brings you up to normal, and not getting it makes you miserable.

At their best, recreational drugs don't make you happier overall, they just steal happiness out of your undrugged condition and concentrate it into the times that you're high. And as time goes on, the highs get lower, and the lows also get lower, until life is unbearable between highs, and highs are no better than life before you started using.

When you fuck with homeostasis, it fucks with you right back.

>>5645612
>I speak gibberish sometimes. That is surefire schizophrenia is it not?
It could be brain damage from thiamine deficiency, or a tumor, or something like that. Just about any psychiatric symptom can stem from a physical cause.

If there is a treatable physical cause, you really don't want to miss it. Psychiatrists don't look for this shit. They just label your behavior and throw drugs at the symptoms.

>i had blood work done by my other guy. normal
It's pretty useless to do random bloodwork without suspicion of a specific illness. Mostly they just check for diabetes and liver failure. I went to check-ups for 30 years and no doctor ever suggested I might have celiac disease.

Take care of yourself and be alert for lasting physical symptoms, even if they seem minor, or you're used to dealing with them.

>>5645611
>Just go to a psych ward and get them to commit you.
>>5645611
>Just go to a psych ward and get them to commit you.
lol. so i can get a $20,000 bill and be ruined for life?

100% chance i will start cooking methamphetamine if they do this to me to pay for my shit. I am not working a slave job and being a drone. i got B+ in ochem lab if i could have the book in front of me still, even though I got a D in the lecture. It was cause I couldn't memorize stuff. but if the info was there, i'd finish last, and surely annoyed my profesor (class started at 12:00. everyone finished at 3 PM class ended at 5:30. I was there till the last minute almost every lab. and she'd get pissed off I took a smoke break, but when I said I had schizoaffective she basically let me do whatever I wanted) But i got good yields still, and could do the work. just at a handicapped rate compared to my peers.

Or so my mom can't pay her mortgage and has to sell her house and move to a shit area? or so i can't talk to my last friend, who may be about to have an episode right now get all paranoid i got fed up with her and kill herself, shes also schizo and tried before. I suppose she will probably be the only chance I ever have at a partner if we ever live closer.

Why would I get commited? It'd ruin the life of myself, my mom, and my friend?

im not in risk of dying. I'd be sitting in a hospital, bored tearless, on the most dysphoric sedating anti psychotic the doctor could think of, and denied the ability talk to anyone outside their walls, have my rights stripped away,? Maybe i'd become suicidal after that experience.

I just eat the stupid new pill she gives me, and stop speed once my friend at least isn't on an episode so im not ignoring her when sedated or locked away. why do i need to be locked up? im capable of scoring methamphetamine and evading police for the last fuck, 8 years of drug use? never been arrested once, used to sell daily on the street. i can take 3 pills a day...

>>5645617
No. I started using stimulants because of that feeling. Stop saying "ITS THE DRUGS LOL" doctors love to blame everything they can on drug so they can try less.. I used them because i felt like this. I used to be against drugs, but i felt like shit so i stopped caring about my health.

Seriously, the feeling I had everyday when sober before my first meth high, was the same feeling I had after daily .5-1g a month usage. the burn out. EXACT same lack of interest/pleasure. Except I slept like 6 more hours a day during meth withdrawls. Not too big of a difference bro. my baseline sucks.

>>5645633
Yeah I will bring that up. My mothers dad had brain cancer. and my diet was shit as a teen. So maybe. hopefully. But if it's brain cancer, im calling my dealer and getting syringes, meth, and oxymorphone the second that is confirmed. i slam the dope till they fix it or i die. seriously, not reason not to at that point. might as well bareback hookers too

>>5645643
It's not going to get better, it's going to get worse.
You don't have to stay in the psych ward forever, just long enough to get stable.
If you're in the USA, then yeah, shit sucks because you will have a hard time getting state-funded treatment. But dealing drugs will not subtract from your problems, it'll add to them.

>>5645673
Get stable? Being caged will make me worse.

All I do at home, is TV/Computer/Skype. I can take new anti psychotic meds at home. Im not fucking braindead. You act like it's rocket science to take 1 pill for a week. then 1..5 pills or w/e doctor writees down if that doesnt work.

This is about all the doctors do

>Read DSM
>check shit off checklist
>Look for medication they are most comfortable with giving out
>start lowest effective dose for schizophrenia
>titrate every few days till improvement

i am not retarded and incapable of making choices for myself. dont act like all schizophrenics are. i can read the shit about grey matter loss still. I still am capable of refusing treatment if I want to. the reasons for refusing, are not delusional. I dont think it's poison. it will ruin 3 lives if i am commited when i was a harm to no one. and i will never see another psyciatrist in my life if she 5150's me. not to mention what i'd do to the doctors who held me there if my last friend dies or my mom loses her house.

stupid. invol commital is for when someone is getting command voices to cut the hearts of virgin girls and eat them or something. not me.

Well OP is a tweaker but I've never seen tweakers talk gibberish. And I live in the midwest. We are infested with the filth.

Doesn't methamphetamine induced psychosis resemble paranoid schizophrenia?I was under the impression that was how it presented. Not disorganized. I was almost sure no drugs cause something like this.