/sci/ - Science & Math

I asked the counsellors about negative symptoms, and they told me WAY more than my doctor. i told them about my severe meth addiction, and they said it's common in schizos since amphetamines reduce the negative symptoms in many of us. it makes us socialize normal-er. but doctors refuse to consider giving them out since we abuse them, and some of us go psycotic way easy on them and then the doctor has to call us a few times a week to check up on us, and they're lazy so they just avoid treating our worst problem i guess? Fuck.

But id think an MD would be more honest. dont know whos right. they didnt say the doctors were lazy but i infered that due to them being unwilling to consider a treatment since they have to work more during it and its riskier. but 10% of male schizos succede at offing them selves since doctors dont treat our negative symptoms. they just dull us and grey our lives so we don't act up and end in jail or the ward.

I was recently sober for several months. On an dopamine/norepinep reuptuake inhibitor too. I felt just like I did, before 2 years of chronic 1g a day usage. I felt no worse after 1 week. how did i not get fried? does this confirm I am anhedonic and not 'depressed'? I felt like this, after a 2 year meth binge, sober. It's why i started using meth. enjoying nothing in life, has been the norm of me since i was 18. Ive never got a come down either. I can stay awake 4-5 days, then sleep 5 hours and be fine. No crash 1-2 day crash EVER. Weird huh?

I've read conflicting reports about methamp and toxicity too. Several said, in humans brains regained 80-100% function after 2-5 years clean in the wost cases. Others said perm damage. But animals were used in the perm damage ones IIRC. Is a lower, medical dose of meth in order to help my negative symptoms medically justified? I know a few schizos who get vyvanse from their doctor, but they're the sheltered never smoked pot kind of white kid. no doctor will even give me ambien. i stupidly admitted my past of drug dealing, and use of nearly all drugs when i first got treatment, i hoped it'd get me a correct diagnosis, nd 'good meds' that worked but nope. it just lost me my xanax/ambien script. love what honesty gets me. their meds didnt work and now i cant get anything that gives any type of 'fun' effect.

So if you have enough adderall in your blood to read my thread. what do you know about this?

Does this mean I should be on some amphetamine, but medical dosages? I prefer meth to dex, due to no constriction on meth. i can get 8 inch hardons on meth, but 6.5 on dex and theyre half limp.

also on meth, I can talk better. If the person I am talking to, knows I am high that is. if not, i get worried they will report me for my eyes. but with someone I trust, i can be more human on a stim. and i enjoy life again.


Is schizo a biological brain degenerative disease? Or is it mental illness? I read arguments for both. My opinion is, bio, 'recovery' stories are very mild cases that receded and the brain compensated for the brain loss. Can someone who's been chronic like me recover ever? I've tried 3 Anti psychotics, and quit street drugs and alcohol for close to 2.5 years before giving up and going back on meth. i dont know how much of my life doctors expect me to be a boring zombie numbed on quell and respiridal before they get the right combo, IF they ever do. my life span is 55 y/o judging from shit i've read. I don't have forever here. why are doctors agianst giving us drugs that make us happy even if we become addicts? i seriously hate my life and wish i didnt exist when i am sober. its so boring and nothing is fun. i just sleep or stare at the wall and think. i cant socialize, my thoughts seem normal in myhead but when i try to speak, they dont come out right and i am awkward. i cant make friends. all i have to do is internet, drugs, TV. my math/science skills used to be 90-95% marks, but now i am a D student too, so hopes of doing something worth while are out too.

anyone with some insight to my posts? i want happy, not 'functional wage slave' sweeping floors.

you crazy boy
have fun!

Is OP schizo or not? He writes just like one. And his info seems to fit.

Or does he just a great actor and reads psych text books for fun to troll /sci/?

He's like one of 3 of them who migrated here from r9gay. I think this one is their leader, as their leader buys meth in stupidly large amounts such as 14 grams.

>>5620796
No troll writes 5 full length posts. He's serious, and probably can't Skype/AIM his doctor so he fails face to face communication, then vents on /sci/

I was diagnosed with schizophrenia and am now off medication and well. More likely because of being off medication.

Doctors do not want to give out promises since the expectations are very much uncertain.

The only advice I can give you is that long term medication isn't an answer. And this is what will unfailingly be pushed upon you. Your own choices are what matter.

>>5620806
Did you lose the ability to make friends and talk to people upon arrival of paranoia at age 15-16?

I did. I didnt realize i was the one who sucked at convos until a few months ago. 23 now.

>>5620796
>He writes just like one
Not sure .. typically schizos WRITE like this .. it's FAIRLY easy to spot ..

>>5620818
I've seen both. Rambling rants like OP. And CAPS FESTS with .... all over.

>>5620817
No. I lost interest and drive. And was quite unhappy to be alloted such an unfanciful parking lot in life.

When you're a special snowflake it's distressing to find that your entire life is planned out before you, in the broad gist of it.

It's the same for everyone.

But somehow most don't notice or take offense at being railroaded from cradle to grave. Schizophrenia isn't an illness, it's a defense mechanism for preserving the ego in the face of social pressures.

>>5620844
>not an illness

Why is there grey matter loss, found via scan, and by weight in schizophrenic patients then?

Brain cell death.

Ones who used meds, ones who didn't. All had brain cell death. Illegal drugs or not. Braincell death.

Did you have schizophrenia? Or bipolar with psychotic features?

>>5620868
>Why is there grey matter loss, found via scan, and by weight in schizophrenic patients then?
Antipsychotics cause brain damage.

>>5620883
...not that I agree that "schizophrenia ... [is] a defense mechanism for preserving the ego in the face of social pressures."

Schizophrenia is a catch-all term for your general kind of unhinged-from-reality crazy. I don't believe it's one thing with one cause.

>>5620883

So you treat them with Vitamins and teh E-Meter, eh?

>>5620892
Antipsychotics don't address the cause or fix anyone. They're mostly helpful in severe cases, by reducing the level of initiative and activity in a way that makes patients easier to manage and creates a superficial tranquility.

What you're arguing is basically, "We have to do something! This is something, therefore we have to do it!"

What we need to do is much better research, and stop pretending the quack pseudoscience we have is worthy of mainstream credibility.

>>5620785

Methamphetamine is NOT something Schizophrenics should be using to self medicate with. It will hugely increase the likelihood of Positive symptoms due to the vast increase in Dopamine. If you need to medicate with something, Nicotine/Cigarettes are known to decrease negative symptoms in Schizophrenics.

Regarding whether it's biological or mental, there's no reason it can't be both. Biological deficits lead to mental symptoms in the Schizophrenic brain, for example. There are a LOT of studies correlating neurological changes with severity of Schizophrenia (such as decreased hippocampal mass or alternations in Glutamate pathways).

I would suggest switching doctors and try for an atypical Antipsychotic. There effectiveness is somewhat questionable but there's no harm in trying; if you find after a few months that it is not sufficient for your needs you can always discontinue use.

>>5620883

The studies you are referring too probably measure cell death in the brain via measuring increases in brain ventricle size, something that was originally considered to be a good marker of overall cell death but is now being severely rethought due to a rcent paper. The paper showed that Alcohol can cause rapidly reversible increases of ventricles. This means studies suggesting brain damage due to increased vescibles likely are incorrect.

Source:
A mechanism of rapidly reversible cerebral ventricular enlargement independent of tissue atrophy. Neuropsychopharmacology

>>5620909
Uh, why are positive symptoms so bad?

They dont ruin my life, and I can manage them with will power alone.

Negative, I cannot even think right with them.

>>5620901
...and by the way, "vitamins" are not always a quack remedy. Vitamin deficiencies can cause brain damage as the first or only symptom, and anyone with a normal diet can have vitamin deficiencies if there is a digestive or metabolic problem. They can also be caused by alcoholism or drug abuse, directly or indirectly.

In some cases, people diagnosed with psychiatric disorders are later found to have vitamin deficiency dementia, and are indeed cured by vitamin supplements. This is a completely mainstream thing, and they don't test for it as much or as well as they should.

Unfortunately, in many cases, vitamin deficiency dementia is not completely reversible. The brain has only a limited ability to heal.

And, of course, when the problem has nothing to do with a vitamin deficiency, vitamins rarely help (even then, there are exceptions, since some vitamins taken in very large doses are effectively drugs).

>>5620912

Describe some of your positive symptoms? Positive symptoms would be things such as auditory hallucinations, delusions, etc. I don't see how they couldn't be a significant disruption in your quality of life.

>>5620968
Seeing bugs swarming.
Demon/Shadow thing at night, ican feel it rub my back and masage me. This one, causes sleep problems.
Hearing things behind me. Cop sirens at night.
Etc...

Lack of the desire to exist or do anything but stare at a wall is negative symptoms. I'd rather be bat shit insane than a zombie tbh.

Fucking schizos. Waste of money researching this illness. It effects less than 1% of people.

Let them die off.

>>5620968
Negative symptoms are a lot worse I think. Lie in bed all day, do nothing, care about nothing.

Not that I have personal experience with positives.

>except my meth dealer
Not you again. How many times a week are you going to make these fucking threads?

>>5621084

>Demon/Shadow thing at night, ican feel it rub my back and masage me. This one, causes sleep problems.

This has to be a joke

>>5621705
no. i can feel its fingers on my back and shit. its wierd. and i can feel something crawling in my matress under me as I lay on my stomach

You have meth. That is your disease. Literally every symptom you are describing is a product of destroying the dopamine system in your brain.
You don't have a disorder. The only thing that is wrong with you, is that you keep choosing meth. It's not a question of maybe it will, or maybe it won't. If you choose meth, it breaks you. The real question is do you matter at all to yourself?

>>5621720
Except, I was hallucinating before I ever did meth, or weed. Only drugs I did were xanax and opiates back when I first halucinated. Schizo symptoms in general started at age 15 when I was a DARE faggot.