/sci/ - Science & Math

Get the fuck out of college if you can't do work just like everyone else, you crazy fuck.

>>5051906
So because you have occasional mood swings means you can't take tests like everybody else in the class? I didn't realize schizo and bipolar had an effect on the individuals intellectual capacity.

>>5051965
>Schizophrenia
>no cognitive impairment
>no anxiety/fear/paranoia
HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>5051932
>>5051965
The quiet room with nobody around I can understand. I study in Ireland and it's a fairly common accommodation for students taking exams who have issues.
The extra time for assignments is reasonable enough provided there's a real issue.

The extra time in tests however just seems unfair.

Do you think people outside of school will be that nice to you? I can imagine you being fired from every single company you work for if you come with excuses like "I was in a bad mood."

>>5051965
I have problems concentrating and I get paranoid around large groups of people. Among countless other symptoms and medication side effects. So i get more time, and a quiet room. Fair enough. The school psychiatrist evaluated me and said I was allowed to have this.

I don't blame the prof. He's only thinking of everyone else down the line that has to deal with you. How are you going to survive in a work setting? Do you stab people?

>>5051984

Extra time on tests - Fair for AD/H/D sufferers - Fair

Extra time on assignments - Noooope

>>5051998
>>5051984
Schizophrenics have far greater problems concentrating than ADD/ADHD kids. And they are not allowed amphetamines to help.

OP's list seems pretty fair imo.

>>5051989
Well if no one hires me or they just fire me for my illness im just going on SSI and selling narcotics. I'm trying to be a productive member of society instead of a leech right now.

OP drop out and get a job and leave after an hour everyday because you're having a breakdown.

/win

>>5051984
>>5051983
>>5051932
Fucking shit, have you even heard of anti-psychotics? Ever watched A Beautiful Mind? I have a friend who recently started having psychotic episodes. I knew him very well, very smart kid, top of most of his classes. The guy just isn't the same on the meds. There aren't enough handicaps in academia, minus handing someone the answer sheet, to counteract that effect, and I'm being entirely serious here. Time and a half ain't shit if you can't think because of meds.

>>5051993
So we're supposed to believe you when you say your profs are against you?

>>5051993
And to answer your question, yes, it is illegal for them to refuse you accommodation in most states. When she asks you if you need them you say, "Yes, ma'am, I do need them. I have problems concentrating and I get paranoid around large groups of people, and that's among countless other symptoms and medication side effects."
Really, bro, just push for it. You have the right and if she denies you you bring it up in central administration or with the psychiatrist. She's probably asking you because she doesn't want to set up another proctor.

>>5052053
Yeah. Why would I lie about that? It's not a delusion cause a third party is going to be interjected and they'll fix it for me and talk to the professor.

>Waaaa I don't like being judged like everyone else!
>Give me more time, I'm too nervous to think and it's not fair to me!
>Give me what I want or I'll sue you!

>>5052076
The school's psychiatrist brought these up and said to use them when I saw her when I was having an episode. The University wants me to have these. The specific professor doesn't. The professor works for the university.

>>5051906
>my professors are out to get me
>oh by the way, I'm a paranoid schizophrenic

>>5052095
>The University wants me to have these.

No, they are just scared of being sued. All organizations, big and small, have to worry about being sued by people with entitlement complexes.

what the fuck is your degree that the profession doesn't need you to be functional?

>>5052114
Schizophrenia and bipolar are not entitlement complexes you cunt. I'd rather have one of my legs cut off and a healthy mind than to have this.

Unless I go to school, I'll have to sell drugs to survive. At least I'm not shooting up and leeching off SSI like most schizos. If I don't finish college that's what I'll end up doing probably. I can't work with other people well and get fired from minimum wage customer service jobs. I'm trying to get a job in a lab with minimal human interaction.

have you tried not being crazy? That might help

>crazy person
>becoming a psychologist

yep.

OP sounds pretty spoiled imo

medfag here.

/sci/ prides it's self in being intelligent and logical. Yet the majority of this board is uneducated, ignorant, and hateful towards the mentally ill.

Sigh. His illness is no different than a person in a wheelchair. You have to accommodate them in the workforce and in education in America at least. Why is a disease of the mind any different than a disease of the body to you brilliant scientists?

>>5052146
Assume things more, cunt. I'm going into biochemistry. Psych is general ed.

>>5052154
people in wheelchair don't try to kill me, crazies do

>>5052070
>schizo
>not delusional
nigga, you faking

>>5052154
Yes, we should accommodate them, but we should not HAVE to. Should one person be given more rights that others because they are worse off?

>>5052172
>Implying schizophrenics are completely delusional in every area of life.

>>5052053

>>5052154
>/sci/ prides it's self
>it is self

>>5051906

You seem like a huge pain in the ass.

>>5052154
>Sigh. His illness is no different than a person in a wheelchair.
except it is.
>You have to accommodate them in the workforce
no you don't. would you let a person in a wheelchair work in construction? do you think they should be given the chance to? if they can't do the work like everybody else, you don't have to hire them. unless they're black.
>>5052178
only the areas that allow you special privileges then? interesting..

>>5052179
Yes you should have to at work, and at school. If people are not forced to they WILL discriminate against the disabled. If a disabled person cannot go to work or school they will be homeless. As a society it's our duty to help those of us who were born sick. You're free to discriminate all you want in your private life.

>>5052198
>only the areas that allow you special privileges then? interesting..
Are you being dense on purpose? Or are you just a stupid fuckhead?

>>5052198
Hehe owned

>Isn't it illegal for them to not give accommodations to the disabled that were promised to them by the school?
Why don't you complain to your school instead? Surely the exam commission will overrule the professor's decision. That's what they're for, after all.

>>5052179
>Should one person be given more rights that others because they are worse off?
Yes

>>5052207
i was just pointing out a certain conveniences i noticed, calm down schizo. wouldn't want you throwing a fit and killing someone cause you lost an argument.

>>5052198
>except it is.
One is an illness of the brain. The other an illness of the body. They're both out of the persons control and cannot be cured and make it harder for them to function in society.

> if they can't do the work like everybody else
They're called reasonable accommodations for a reason. Giving the OP an extra 30 minutes to take a test since he likely cannot focus or hears voices that distract him is not unreasonable. Neither is giving him a room to himself, especially since they search him and take away his electronics.

>only the areas that allow you special privileges then? interesting..
Troll? Or really stupid. Schizophrenics do not think every person in their life is out to get them. Certain people/organizations/groups are. They can be completely lucid and clear headed most of the time but have a certain area they are delusional in.

Also, look up negative symptoms. Schizophrenia is more than just hallucinations and/or delusions. There are significant cognitive deficits as well. These will effect his ability to perform.

Read a book before speaking, kid.

I would be very pissed off if I was another student in your classes, because your "special accommodations" make my degree worth less.

>>5052222

Schizophrenics are statistically less likely to commit murder than the general population.

>>5052222
Okay so to be truly schizophrenic I have to be a raving bum on the street? And the three MD's who diagnosed me are wrong and you're right? Getting paranoid around groups of people is a convenience how? I can't go to bars to socialize and haven't been laid in 4 years. Lack of ability to concentrate is a convenience how? it takes me twice as long to read a page as it did when I was 15 due to this crappy schizo bullshit. I don't get extra time for assignments, it eats up twice as much or more of my free time than everyone else.

>>5052235
It's a good thing we all have zero respect or sympathy that try to work themselves up by pushing others down, then.

>>5052243
lel you got told by a schizo
>>5052198

>>5052246

I'm not unsympathetic to people who can't work (although OP in particular seems very annoying), but that doesn't change the fact that they can't work.

>>5052235
do you get mad when they give someone with a broken arm a note taker so they can get the notes for a class?

>>5052270

No I don't.

>>5052243
>Okay so to be truly schizophrenic I have to be a raving bum on the street?
no. again, i just noticed certain conveniences. Clearly you truly are schizo, calm down a little.
>And the three MD's who diagnosed me are wrong and you're right?
probably. Mental disorders are severely over-diagnosed in this country. I personally know an aspie who went to 4 different doctors until they told him what he wanted to hear.
>Getting paranoid around groups of people is a convenience how?
you get your own special place and extra time. haven't we been through this already? i'd love to be given my own special place whenever i'm feeling crowded. But i guess i do alright in a classroom with 100 other students.
> I can't go to bars to socialize and haven't been laid in 4 years
great. get in line with the rest of half of /sci/
> Lack of ability to concentrate is a convenience how?
being stupid isn't a convenience either. doesn't mean stupid students should be given wider scoring margins.
> it takes me twice as long to read a page as it did when I was 15 due to this crappy schizo bullshit.
http://www.amazon.com/Learn-Read-Kindergarten-Complete-Exclusive/dp/160499178X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&am
p;qid=1347495486&sr=8-1&keywords=hooked+on+phonics
>I don't get extra time for assignments
why should you?

>>5052269
Which is not what a university degree is supposed to demonstrate, so there's no problem.

>>5052282
he got a free A on a test he admits he would have gotten a C if he actually took.

>>5052287
Oh, I thought you meant the extra half hour and unusual timing and that sort of thing. Yeah, the free A is of course stupid and a Bad Thing (though not OP's idea).

>>5052279
>hooked on phonics learn to read kindergarten complete
my sides! they've disappeared!!

>>5052200
There are some that will not discriminate. For example, most businesses will not hire people with criminal records, and most will also not hire the mentally handicapped, but businesses like Goodwill do just that, without the law pointing a gun or a lawyer their way.

Stay healthy and good luck with university my man. I don't know much about life for people with these disabilities but I can only guess that a good education is one of the few ways that can save you from slipping through the cracks of the system. Stay strong.

I believe it is illegal, yes. Contact the school and let them know.

What if there was an alien that had 4 hands and could finish his tests in half the time that you could?

And what if the universities decided that they should change the test duration to match the alien's time?

So now you have half the time to finish your tests

Do you feel cheated and angry when you fail the tests? You should.

>>5052279
>hooked on phonics
>for negative symptoms of schizophrenics and side effects of anti psychotics
Yeah, no. The concentration is part of my illness and med side effects
.>>5052287
I wanted to retake the test. They just gave me an A. Not my fault.I asked to retake it. I don't even have friends in my class so i couldn't have cheated anyways.

>>5052298
>Goodwill
Sounds great for upward mobility. Hey what about McDonalds??

>>5052270
If they forced someone to take the notes, then yes.
If, like virtually all cases, someone chose to take notes out of the kindness of their heart (or for pay), then no.

>>5052298
I'm not going to live off minimum wage the rest of my life because I was born with this shit. Going to do my best to get a degree and real job.

If that fails, I'm going to sell drugs.

>>5052312
It's true, it's not glamorous work, doesn't pay much, and won't lead much of anywhere. But the point is that at least they are not "shooting up and leeching off SSI". Perhaps their children, if they have any, will have a chance at a better living than they did. That's the American dream.

>>5052309
No. I do not feel cheated when someone is capable of things that I am not. That is simply jealousy.

>>5052318
>implying schizos can into the drug trade
You'll probably get shot in 2 years time because you didn't trust italians to launder your money and shoot manolo because you thought he's just going to fuck-and-leave your sister.

>>5052318
>I'm too good for minimum wage
Entitlement.
Complex.

>>5052298
So OP needs a little extra time to do things, and excused absences if he goes crazy and a doctor says it's real.

I don't see what's the big deal here. Why can't an employer accommodate this? Doesn't the government give you extra money if you hired someone disabled anyways?

I think that it's a bad idea to tell people that they're paranoid schizophrenic. Labelling them may make them feel helpless to change. There's some evidence that recovery from schizophrenia is more common in third-world countries without reliable psychiatric care, likely due to the psychological effects of labelling.

Instead, we should just have a government agency that observes them in secret, slips medication into their food and water, has their dentist implant tracking devices, and things like that.

>>5052046
I sorta know that feel.

I suffer from random bouts of panic attacks; not the social anxiety bullshit. I could be sitting in the most comfortable place in the world and the next second I could be shaking and panicking.

Almost lost my last year of high school because of how intense they were. I tried to fight through them but I was just so busy dealing with them that I couldn't accomplish anything else.

I've had to fight them alone, because I'm uninsured and there's no way my parents would understand.

The funny thing is I used to be one of those dudes that would say "All of those disorders are bullshit. If you can set your mind to something, you can conquer it." Well, I guess the joke is one me.

>>5052338
Their is no particular reason an employer could not accommodate them, and it would be kind to do so. But they should not be forced to do it. It may be true that extra grant money or tax cuts are given to organizations that are kind to those less fortunate, but if they don't give in they get sued anyway. Force.

>>5052327
No. I live off SSI in a shitty apartment as proof of income and spend the cash I made selling dope to buy stuff in cash such as drugs, TV, computer, etc... Money laundering isn't really needed unless you're big time. I've done this before, but i don't any more since i'm on financial aid, and i lose it if i get caught. no point in selling drugs to pay for school, when the govt. gives me grants to go for free since my parents are poor.

>>5052326
To live on minimum wage in California, where I live, you need like two jobs. I can't do that, I get crazy if im overly stressed. I'd just straight up go on SSI instead and get $1000ish a month for doing nothing instead of working 40 hours a week for $800 a month. Which is why i want a lab tech job. Easy, no need to interact with customers, and low stress. 40k a year or so.

>>5052337
Don't give a shit.

What I don't understand is, why not just make most of these allowances for everyone? Then you're well-prepared for the special cases.

In general, academic tests under time pressure accomplish nothing. Prepare a test that you think should take the students 1 hour, and then give them the whole afternoon. If they can do the work faster, good for them. If it takes them longer to get the right answers... well you can't argue that this means they don't understand the material.

A whole lot of education is being dicks to the students for no reason at all.

>>5052347
They're forced to do reasonable things like that. Currently. They don't have to bend over backwards.

>>5052347
> it would be kind to do so. But they should not be forced to do it.

Relying on the kindness of people for what potentially be your survival or well being is retarded.

Interesting thread, OP.

I can't really imagine what dealing with a mental illness must be like. What works best for getting people to empathize (not sympathize) with your situation?

>>5052357
Not OP, but to feel true anxiety, you probably need to throw people inside a cage with a live tiger.

Or if they're afraid of heights, make them ride a rollercoaster.

>>5052348
>Don't give a shit

Oh, you're admitting to it then. You want things you don't deserve and haven't worked for, and when people aren't kind enough to give it to you, you throw a tantrum.

>>5052357
I don't tell anyone unless I have to. I was arrested for meth before and had 14 grams on me, a major felony. I actually did buy it all for personal use though. I have a massive tolerance.

I told the jury about my illness, symptoms, and etc... and how I use meth due to medication side effects, crippling depression, and crazy feelings.

They gave me rehab. Should have been 5-10 years.

All of my family doesn't even know. I'm fairly ashamed of having it.

>>5052364
>You want things you don't deserve and haven't worked for

He's in college.

>>5052364
No. I don't give a shit if you think I'm entitled. I'm not going to work 40 hours a week for less money than what SSI would give me. That's retarded.

I could only get half way through the fucking thread. My faith in /sci/ users being logical, intelligent and empathetic; which are standard skills you should have seeing as you're all geniuses, right? I dont understand how anyone capable of getting into the top 50% of colleges in the US can't understand OP, or believe he is somehow not as bad off as he really is.

Maybe you're all just lacking in compassion, maybe you all are somewhat intelligent, I can't tell. However, im a NatSci student at one of the best universities in the world; im not exactly stupid and my mind is my main asset. Im telling you now I would rather have no legs and a fully functioning, normal mind than to suffer with a condition like the OP has.

Im not going to go into explaining the effects of his condition and why its completely justified he should be given extra time and have his condition accommodated for, if legit, which it plainly is. Nor am I going to go ahead and describe how fucking hard it is to carry out everyday academic tasks when you suffer from a condition like OP. You fuckers always complain about motivation; this guy is swimming completely and absolutely against the current by pursuing academia when the one thing he must rely on, his mind, consistently betrays him.

>>5052376
(cont)

What I am going to do is lecture you on a bit of common sense. OP never said he wanted a job, its completely true that he probably wouldn't be able to hold down a job in industry or many other areas - doing so simply wouldn't be practical. However, many of you might actually understand that a great deal of people don't actually go to college to fall into a graduate job at the end. In fact, most of my own peers study either because they are truly passionate about their subject or they wish to advance the human race by pursuing scientific discovery. An academic situation -is- practical for the OP and he deserves to have his ability measured as reliably as possible by having his disorders accommodated for.

All I can do for you OP is praise your courage. Please, stay strong, advance science with your drive to succeed; for the good of all of us. I don't quite understand why half of /sci/ look at you as competition... I see you as another fellow within the scientific community who will hopefully extend all our knowledge some day.
Im sure if you explain the things you've explained in the thread here, to your professors, you'll face no problems. Good luck

>>5052376
> I dont understand how anyone capable of getting into the top 50% of colleges in the US
>/sci/

Ohh god, please, you're hilarious.

>>5052354
That way of thinking is why people are so disconnected from their neighbors and communities. That is why so much power is trickling up to a few people on the top.
Remember, feeling like you are alone in a crowd can do all sorts of bad things to your mind.

OP is a faggot cunt

You are trying to BS a Psych professor(Depending on your level of classes, he may be an actual psychologist) who can tell the difference between a mental break down and i'm not prepared for the test....

>>5052364
Eh. We're a rich society. In the current situation we can afford some entitlements for the mentally ill.

Look at it this way: we feed and shelter even the worst criminal. We can and should do what we can to keep unfortunate innocents as close as we can to a normal standard of comfort and fulfillment.

I'd be happier about it if these entitlements were fulfilled by private charities, social custom, and individual initiative than by tax revenue and law, but that we should do it is the main point.

>>5052380

...Maybe I put too much faith into /sci/

Ive met some pretty cool, intelligent people on here though, both undergrads, grads and PhDs from respected institutions. Its not like they don't exist.

>>5052383
It isn't a cause but an effect. You could call it a self fulfilling prophecy but you can hardly blame me.

>>5052384
Your reading comprehension is pretty poor.

>>5052387
It's 4chan. Those people constitute a small percentage of the population. After all, this place is filled with /b/tards.

>>5052384
What are you talking about? The test is next week and I asked her to fill out the paper that she fills out and I return to the DSS office so they have her info so they can email her and shit. she looked over everything and then had an issue with me going to another room.

I didn't try to get out of any test, faggot. I never have.

>>5052386
That last line is going to haunt me for a while.
Is it okay for the ends to justify the means?

>>5052393

Ah. Pity me for believing in a fantasy world where the quarantine boards worked and those who did escape were confined to cute science and homework threads :(

>>5052405
Well, you have to be realistic about these things. When you're talking about one issue, you have to deal with it in a manner broadly consistent with the accepted way things are done.

I'd like for our society to be based less on central management and more on individual freedom, but I'm not going to dig in my heels and fight against any central solution for helping mentally ill people live a decent life. That'd be the worst place to start.

In a perfect society, we wouldn't have a culture where people look at this kind of issue and say, "The government should deal with that." But we do, and I'm not going to pretend that we don't.

>>5052337
> Entitlement

He said he didn't want minimum wage so he's going to college to get better than minimum wage. How is that entitlement?

>>5051906

You aren't supposed to bring up your accommodations to the professors. Your schools disability adviser is supposed to do that.

>>5052492
Not at my school. They have us inform them.

>psychology professor
>implying she doesn't understand you disease better than you and your university's staff

just because you want to kill people isn't an excuse for extra time and unlimited cheating. Fail and find a job in a coal mine already.

>>5052376
>/sci/ users being logical, intelligent and empathetic
>empathetic

why would intelligent and logical people be unable to be uncaring and hateful? Who do you think invented chemical warfare in WWI? Or Nuclear, Biological, Technological, etc....

>>5051906
>implying you aren't the cunt

Your professors are cool guys. You are a dumb prick.

>>5051906
I hope you get cancer

op should kill himself

op should educate everyone about his disease by committing mass murder

>>5052563
>>5052574
>>5052579
>>5052569
damn you're mad

>>5052599
>mad

Stop being bigoted! It's called being disabled

do you really want to life as a fuck up, OP?

>>5052609
Seems to be working for you.

in during [apt] third grade retort

>>5052154
>hateful people are automatically uneducated, ignorant, illogical

wtf is wrong with you nigger?

>>5052146
assumptions are dangerous get smart faggot

>>5052523
Then call the cops next time a teacher tries to argue. "I need this" "im not going to provide that" "Hello local police? I would like to report a section 504 violation"

>>5051906
>Isn't it illegal for them to not give accommodations to the disabled that were promised to them by the school?

Don't ask questions regarding legality without disclosing your nationality.

>>5051906
><everything OP said>

Personally I'm skeptical about all these accommodations*, but I agree that professors should follow the rules set down by the university. Talk to your "office of disabilities" or whatever it's called where you are, tell them about the situation and ask what options are available. Usually there are judicial processes within the university that you can (and must?) use before appealing to civil law (by suing them).

*I'm not saying some people don't genuinely have disabilities that affect their performance on tests (keeping their true knowledge/ability fixed). But I don't see how bipolar or schizophrenia affect your ability to take a test. The only thing that I would allow is inability to read or write at a normal rate.