/sci/ - Science & Math

>>16103061
truth:
vaccines, like any other medical procedure, should be personally evaluated by you one a risk-to-benefit basis with a bayesian view of its safety profile and your personal risk.
basically: "are you afraid enough of losing a limb to trust the jew with his 'insurance'?"

d-delet this

>>16103081
Why?

Those are infections diseases that were reduced with a combination of improved hygiene, pest control of disease carriers, antibiotics, and vaccines. Also, the vaccine for typhoid fever does not provide long-lasting immunity (requiring repeat or booster doses) and is not approved for children younger than 2 years old, and that is public information.
Vaccine effectiveness is determined by randomized controlled trials, not charts like this.

>>16103093
>Vaccine effectiveness is determined by randomized controlled trials, not charts like this.
But as we know they regularly cheat with the trials and skew the data. So how could we trust them?

>>16103093
>Vaccine *effectiveness* is determined by randomized controlled trials, not charts like this.
That is true, assuming nobody messes with the trial data. But the *usefulness* of mass vaccination campaigns is determined by charts like that.

>>16103061
If they are deliberately causing chronic disease and mental disorders then why do they allow an increase in diagnoses associated with vaccine injury?

>>16103095
>I don't like the data, so it must be fake!
Don't care.
>>16103188
Usefulness is determined when measles outbreaks happen in the US and are concerned in vaccine denialist communities.

>>16103321
>>I don't like the data, so it must be fake!
We know exactly how they manipulate the data to achieve political goals and fat government contracts to get our tax money. Even the covid vaccine trials were blatant scams.
I guess if you get a graph on a toilet paper you will believe everything.

>>16103339
Cope

>>16103684
no u

>>16103061
>Is it possible that 90% of our popular vaccines are not even needed?
they're only ""needed"" to generate a profit for the kikes who own the manufacturers

Having had whooping cough, no, fuck you.

>>16103339
How much are they paying u to be at a mongolian basket forum lmao

>>16103061
>but after covid I started to question a lot things going on in the "scientific community".

>>16103061

That's a chart of death rate though.
While death is obviously not ideal: the greater threat from things like whooping cough, measles, polio, and typhoid, is the damage done to the body from contracting the most serious version of the virus.

Paul Alexander INFAMOUSLY did not die of Polio: it left him paralyzed from the neck down and he had to live in an iron lung for 55 years.

>>16104070
>ITS A CONSPIRACY!!
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/23348-paranoid-schizophrenia

>>16103061
why has nobody used bedfords law on the vaccine stuff

>>16103339
They specifically select mentally retarded people into leading position. (which is why dilbert is everyday reality for so many)

>>16106805
how would it apply?

>>16103093
>pest control of disease carriers
Diseases and the wierd rise in diseases happening since the 1840s is literally caused by "pest control".
They sprayed and powdered everything with extremly toxic shit like:
Paris green, Lead arsenate, DDT, mercury powder, BHC.

Literally stopping this caused the decrease of diseases.
While also the economic situations bettered so that less people starved.

>antibiotics and vaccines
Also a lie.
Since the middle ages up until 2003 Mercury (Mercurochrome, Merbromine) was part of "standard of care" in medicine.
Also since the 1700 it was standard of care to literally poison people when they presented an Illness.
Their logic was like this:
>if you are sick, you have bad fluids, we have to purge you of these bad fluids
Then they gave people "Calomel" (mercury) as laxative and "Tartar emetic"(Antimony) as emetic so the shit and puke the "bad fluids out of the body" which literally killed them and at least poisoned them. And sometimes added shit like "blood letting and leeches" to the "purging process.

Later the "standard of care" involved morphine, chlorophorm, arsenic and wierd concoctions eg. made from "tar, heroin and alcohol".

Only in 1930 there were legislation put forward to restrict the usage of opioids as "standard of care".
When "antibiotics" were intorduced they gradually moved from "mercury, antimony and opioids" to less toxic methods.
It was not the "antibiotics" that saved the people.
It was simply that they were not poisoned that hard anymore.

The "medical" practices up until WWII were extremly harsh and most "Doctors" didn't even had "medical training" but were simply Alchemists who served in the military as a field doctor.
And they experimented on the people.
Also patients autonomy whas not a "thing" until the 1970s.
So patients were literally strapped to beds and force medicated with toxins.
It was a common practice to put patients in strait jackets before the 1970s.

>>16108919
Those actually worked, unlike tge modern nonsense. Think about how people who were surrounded by poisons, rubbed them on themselves and even intentionally ingested them never noticed they were poisons. It's Rockefellers "new medicine" that is the fraud.

>>16108919
Those actually worked, unlike modern nonsense. Think about how people who were surrounded by poisons, rubbed them on themselves and even intentionally ingested them never noticed they were poisons. It's Rockefellers "new medicine" that is the fraud.

>>16105562
>iron lung
i was thinking "do you really have to be in that thing your entire life that sucks. like surely they could put a forced air mask on you or something"
but if you're paralyzed from the neck down you're not really doing anything with your body anyway i guess.

>>16108919
>extremly toxic shit
>ddt
>lindane

ok

>>16108946
>if it does not kill me instanty, but accumulates and slowly cause nerve damage and cancer, its not toxic
>its only toxic if it kills me instantly

>>16108949
>implying these organochlorides are even in the same ballpark as heavy metal pesticides
ur out of ur gourd my man

yeah stuff like pyrethroids and neonicotinoids are safer, but you're making a false equivalence.

>>16108953
I never said that they are equal.
It's all poisons.
And mass spraying and consumption will lead to diffuse patterns of illness.
I don't say that DDT is as toxic as Lead arsenate.

But it's toxic.
Also during the spraying of DDT paris green and lead arsenate was used as well.
Also there were whole mixtures of shit.
It's not like it was pure "DDT" it was 80% kerosine, 15% DDT and 5% off a different pesticide, depending on who and where it was sprayed.
For example if it was sprays over apple fields it also contained lead arsenate or Para dichlor benzene.

But if you think its safe then, you are fine

>>16108949
>>16108953
>>16108958
Heavy metals accumulate because they are essential, and in a severe deficit. Arsenic appears essential too, though I wouldn't recommend taking it yet. But it almost certainly is. The mechanism is totally dreamt up, and it's obviously metabolized.

>>16108958
i don't know what point you're even trying to make.
with the organochlorides, the concern is that they're persistent organic pollutants. they stick around. but they were a lot less toxic than the lead and arsenic used previously. and there wasn't really an alternative, other than just letting pests destroy your crops.

even when they were using heavy metal pesticides, its not like they didn't know the compounds were toxic.

A lot of the destruction of nature has also been caused by their removal, the effects of which get always blamed either on some chemical, or climate change.

>>16108962
Lead and arsenic are essential. You areiterally killing the planet.

>>16108962
Lead and arsenic are essential to life. You are literally killing the planet.

>>16108967
>>16108968
ur literally gay

>>16108968
Bro if you are lead defficient...
There is a beautiful device that allows inserting a pill directly into your brain curing you from your lead deficiency

>>16108971
The primary lead protein is highly conserved across all eukaryotes, no advanced life is possible without it.
Both are needed to metabize glucose - lead for breaking it into pyruvate, and arsenic for the next step.

>>16108977
In fact mitochondria need methylmercury, arsenic and selenium, without it they fail. (fat tissue is tissue where it happened)

>>16108949
There's zero proof that DDT has any harmful effects. Silent Spring is now a self-admitted lie "for the good of everyone".

>>16103061
What country are these statistics from? To evaluate the effectiveness of vaccines we need to see how they work when hygiene has never been implemented. Do we have statistics from India?

I know most vaccines are not needed. Never had covid despite regularly going to pubs at the height of the pandemic, haven't had the flu since high school, don't even know what a cold is. I trained myself to be cold resistant to -10ºC because I find it refreshing, and now I seem to be immune to viruses. I just get a nasty but productive cough sometimes when I travel.

>>16109000
Picrel:
doi:10.1007/bf03001233

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/0d8c/1757dd3a0b7774d2b7ebcdc07a070ab3122c.pdf

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11293598/

>>16109051
It's iron poisoning from then newly "fortified" flour.

>>16109051
It was iron poisoning from then newly "fortified" flour.
Good find, by the way. I'm going to save it.

>>16103339
Is this "we" in the room with us right now?

>>16103093
>Vaccine effectiveness is determined by randomized controlled trials
LMAO

>>16108968
They are good to kill vermin like you.

>>16109063
The chinese are still doing that, adding cheap elemental iron instead nutrients like heme iron to "fortify" food.

>>16108981
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>>16103321
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>>16109108
They don't do it at all, they know it's bad for you.

>>16103321
>Usefulness is determined when measles outbreaks happen in the US and are concerned in vaccine denialist communities.

Ok lets take a look at the Magic "Case definitions" and rules to even declare a case:

Revisiting the 2014-15 Disneyland measles outbreak and its influence on pediatric vaccinations:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34495822/

Nobody died, nothing happened except some children having skin erruptions declared as "measels".

So how is the trick applied:
The first part of the trick to increase measles cases is rather easy to spot. The CDC simply sends out an alert to healthcare workers to be on the lookout for any cases of disease that may meet the clinical criteria as a measles case.

https://emergency.cdc.gov/newsletters/coca/2024/012524.html

The CDC says anybody who either had measles at some point in their life or who has received two doses of the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine is protected against measles.

But how to find case?
https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/measles/hcp/labtesting.html
Without proper laboratory testing, measles cannot be diagnosed.
A clinical diagnosis of suspect measles must be confirmed with laboratory testing.

>Clinical diagnosis is unreliable, therefore cases must be laboratory confirmed.
Example:
>child has a rash, is it measels? doctors are not allowed to diagnose it by clinical symptoms.
Who can be "suspected" of having measels, to even be admitted to a laboratory test?
https://www.cdc.gov/measles/hcp/index.html
>excluded from suspicion are children with:
one or more doses of a measles-containing vaccine administered on or after the first birthday for preschool-age children and adults not at high risk
>birth before 1957

We can see that this “presumptive immunity” trick pretty much negates anyone vaccinated as being a “suspect of” measles, hence never ever being able to be verified as via lab results.
>it must be some other rash, like erythema multiforme or some shit

>>16109137
The acceptable presumptive evidence of immunity isn't used during outbreaks, it's for routine vaccination campaigns.

From your own sources, there were confirmed cases of measles for fully vaccinated, with unspecified syptome severity. and 17 people had to be hospitalized.
>"Among the 110 California patients, 49 (45%) were unvaccinated; five (5%) had 1 dose of measles-containing vaccine, seven (6%) had 2 doses, one (1%) had 3 doses, 47 (43%) had unknown or undocumented vaccination status, and one (1%) had immunoglobulin G seropositivity documented, which indicates prior vaccination or measles infection at an undetermined time. Twelve of the unvaccinated patients were infants too young to be vaccinated. Among the 37 remaining vaccine-eligible patients, 28 (67%) were intentionally unvaccinated because of personal beliefs, and one was on an alternative plan for vaccination. Among the 28 intentionally unvaccinated patients, 18 were children (aged <18 years), and 10 were adults. Patients range in age from 6 weeks to 70 years; the median age is 22 years. Among the 84 patients with known hospitalization status, 17 (20%) were hospitalized."

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6406a5.htm

>>16109137
Measles infection isn't particularly deadly, but it does have other undesirable effects. It is associated with long term immunodeficiency for a year after infection, which may be associated with higher influenza or other illness related mortality in children.

>>16109219
>The acceptable presumptive evidence
There is no thing as "acceptable presumptive evidence of immunity".
If you presume then you will end up with a self fulfilling prophecy.

> isn't used during outbreaks
You imagination and cinema/TV brainwashed concept of an "outbreak" leads you to believe that, there is a "small circle of people who are close together who all suddenly have the same symptoms and then some hazmat guys do some lab work".

It is fairly far away from that.
A press release is issued to the doctors.
Then all over the county, regular doctors, have now the responsibility to "assert or suspect" measels, based on their subjective observations.
It is not a ACTIVE reporting, but passive.

If a person with a skin reaction shows up, it is up to the doctor to "suspect" measels.
Then do a lab test.

If and only IF the rash is so severe that there is no way arround then to suspect measels they will of course also suspect "vaccinated" people as measels cases.
Otherwise they will and do not even believe that it is possible that a person, with a vaccine has "measels".

There was a period of two months between the alleged exposure and the occuring of "cases". Which were spread all over california.
And by some odd coincidence the "outbreak" report did not even attempt to track down all visitors and cases in other states in the USA.
What if the "source" of the outbreak, wasn't even "Disneyland"?

And since the bias of the medical system is also "these unclean dirty horrible unvaxxed" is present, they are by default suspect.
There is no way to even determine the effectivity of the vaccine, if the case discovery is already narrowed to mostly exclude "immunized" people.
Even IF clinical symptoms are matching.

Measels is and never was a specificly diagnosable disease.
It's a meme to pretend that there is a specific disease.

Their reporting is a epidimio-illogical bias driven assertion.

>>16103061
>Is it possible that 90% of our popular vaccines are not even needed?
Depends on what you're needs are. If you're a massive pharmaceutical company and you need gigabux profits and don't care how you get it or who you poison, then all vaccines are very necessary

>>16103321
>vaccine denialist communities.

>>16109013
>don't even know what a cold is.
If science is so super powerful and important why can't it even find a cure for the common cold?

>>16103093
>Vaccine effectiveness is determined by randomized controlled trials, not charts like this.
Trials of 8 mice

>>16114376
was the 8 mouse study published anywhere?

>>16108977
Most animals don't need to metabolise glucose though.

>>16103093
RCTs of vaccines should have the C omitted. They are not controlled experiments because groups are not introduced to the pathogen responsible for the disease. They are released and control and subject groups are tracked and surveyed at intervals to see if they test positive for the disease in question within certain time intervals. Efficacy is the established if the subjects have less incidence of disease than control. Pharmacuetical companies have authority to conduct several of these concurrently and it's common to end one of them prematurely if the results are not coming in strong. Once approved, various epidemiologists and specialists of the disease in question will conduct efficacy tests themselves which woefully underperform and are published in journals. In the case of influenza, pharmacuetical companies respond and state the product was fine, point to the original FDA approved RCTs authorizing its approval as proof of this, and then state the virus has mutated. There isn't much sound scientific discussion on it, the targets and antigens remain the same despite the updated formulation.

To solve this problem, I would simply have the experiments conducted as experiments. Participants are introduced to the agent responsible for the disease in both groups. The total participants would be smaller and compensation could be in the tens of thousands for the participants and additional payout for the estate if the disease is high risk.

This won't happen because christianity has it's teeth deep into science still and the so called oaths aren't based on scientific precepts but moral ones. A misguided, disgusting and inverted morality that harms precisely by doing no harm.

You seem incapable of discussing based on what I believe is your reply to another poster with moral outrage over measles among the unvaccinated.

>>16105562
Irreversible paralysis from polio was 2.5% and affected the lower limbs mostly. An outcome like that guy had is more unlikely than death itself.

>>16103061
possible? more than likely.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/hvRoX959WIBH/

>>16116453
You forgot to mention, that they only measure hypothetical "immunity" by the sharp rise of antibodies after an injection.

Also they don't do a "placebo" but a pseudo placebo.
meaning "injection of vaccine for x" vs "injection of vaccine for y" with virtually the same ingredients.
Meaning, if serum group has more adverse events then control, it appears to the outsider as "harmless" when in fact its:
>adverse events of one vaccines vs new vaccine
>and because its new its ok that it has a little bit more adverse events

Which translates to:
>every vaccine can have slightly more side effects than the last
>because it is compared to the last or a similar formulation and not a real saline placebo

>>16103093
except vaccines aren't tested against placebo for safety and the industry can manufacture 95% efficacy numbers from thin air

>>16116430
That's nonsense.

>>16103061
Most likely, many medical interventions may not be as essential as believed and could potentially cause harm instead of providing benefits. Peter Gøtzsche extensively analyzed numerous studies and found evidence of data manipulation in support of various vaccines and drugs. This underscores the importance of understanding that in this era of abundant information, our knowledge about the impacts of certain interventions is limited. Do not trust the supposed established science when its corrupt to its core

>>16117504
>More than 9 in 10 healthcare interventions are not supported by high-quality evidence; harms are under-reported.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35447356/
Most healthcare interventions tested in Cochrane Reviews are not effective according to high quality evidence: a systematic review and meta-analysis
Howick et al
1,567 eligible interventions, 87 (5.6%) had high-quality evidence supporting their benefits. Harms were measured for 577 (36.8%) interventions. There was statistically significant evidence for harm in 127 (8.1%) of these.

>>16117508
Thanks for adding fuel to the argument n1.
the lacking understanding of human nature will be our undoing, that is the root cause of our suffering. nothing else just human nature.

>>16117508
The information in the publication is only surprising in that it made it into print. I'd have presumed that the purveyors of all of those toxic "medications" wouldn't allow such a publication to occur

>>16118043
>is only surprising in that it made it into print

It's only made into print, because it pointed "only" to the lack of evidence for a beneficial outcome.

Nothing would be made into print, if it explicitly would mention that a certain compount is neither safe and effective.
It took until 2003 to completly get rid of mercury medicine. With the exception of the swine flu shot.
Up until 2003 they used mercurochrome or merbromine even on infants.

In the USA general Hamond got removed from his position as Military medical oversight, when he noted that mercury medicine is fucking up his soldiers.

They used antimony based emetics up until the 1950s in the western world

>>16118404
Doctors love harming their patients with toxic medications because doing so means infinite repeat business for the doctors.

>>16103068
>personally evaluated by you
Anon should not evaluate because he might decide against. If anon decides against, it weakens herd immunity.

>>16119946
sick people are moneymakers, healthy people are not

>>16119946
"first do no harm" is just a meme.

Supposedly chicken pox is gone because of vaccines. But people getting chicken pox the past 4 years. Young people too.

All a vaccine is in general is a dead cell of the virus injected into the blood stream for white cells to practice fighting. It's like a cell is a raccoon it's bad if I inject the raccoon. But injecting a dead raccoon is fine?
But working at billion dollar industry GM a car manufacturer. There was one group called Ryder. Where they have an employee that monitors work routes because Ryder handles fork lift/tugger/line sorter. And compresses the jobs. If they say route 1,2,&3 can be done by one tugger. Boom 2 people loose their jobs.

I point that out because while working at GM the group that kept getting sick was Ryder employees. And even a TOP GM employee said as long as the GM line employees are happy and moving fast do that.

People whom are over worked have lower white blood cells and are easier to get sick. Even vaccines shouldn't be given to people with an auto immune system ZERO white blood cells. The closer you are to zero white blood cells the less likely you should be given a vaccine.

And 100% of sick covid employees at GM 2020/2021 meetings where Ryder employees. Not item inspectors car drivers or GM line workers who get to use power tools. But the employees who were having to do double/quadruple the work. During 6/7day work weeks with 8-12hr shifts daily. I even personally watched 2/3 tuggers working together to keep up 1 small area when technically now only 1 should.

2006 I say 3 people are needed to mop 2 square miles. 2020 1 person is needed to mop 3 square miles. 80% successful but still need 2 more people to aid every now and again off the books. Failure = hiring someone who thinks 3 squares miles is normal.

Hire ups "why people get sick?"

>>16121675
>All a vaccine is in general is a dead cell of the virus injected into the blood stream for white cells to practice fighting

Sad misconception.
The dead cells do nothing.
Not even eliciting a immune reaction.

It is required to inject a excitant or poison to cause a inflamatory response.
Thats why almost every vaccine contains at least one of the following:
>aluminium hydroxide (neurotoxin)
>aluminium phosphate (neurotoxin and bone toxin)
>polysorbate 80 (emulsifier, to have better dispersion of the vaccine through the whole body)
>squalene (neurotoxin)
>parabenzoic acid

Also its a misconcception with the "dead cells".
The mostly inject various types of sugars and foreign proteins.
Polysacharide chains.
Also the inject often lactose, glucose .

They use the "meme" of dead cells to misdirect you away from the so called "insctive igredients" or 'excipients" which alone cause the harm.
It's an excuse to inject neurotoxins into people to downgrade their health.

Also I suspect that injecting a toxin +various types of sugars into the body may result in a "trauma response" to sugar.
Thats why more and more children even in infancy develop Diabetis type 1 (a so called autoimmune version of diabetis).

>>16116430
>Most animals don't need to metabolise glucose though.
>this is /sci/
every single aerobic organism metabolizes glucose.

>>16103061
>I am not against vaccines in general, but after covid I started to question a lot things going on in the "scientific community".
Possibly. However, I wish that these graphs would track the rate of infection instead of the rate of death because it could have been that the death rate by a disease was decreasing prior to the introduction of the vaccine therefor even though the infection rate was not.

>>16122003
>the infection rate

Infaction rate is based on the ability to clearly be able to diagnose a disease from another.
Apparently this is not even possible without billion of meme lab tests. And even then its pseudo specific.
Let me give an example with Polio.

Prior to 1955 Every motoric disease, or expression of "flu like symptoms" during summer seasons, was declared as polio, which means the vast majority of polio cases weren't even paralytic.
When publishing "statistics" about polio people always conflate "polio" with "paralytic polio".

After 1955 they changed the criteria of being diagnosed with polio to "having at least 60 days of sickness with following paralysis".
Which subsequently resulted in "less reported infections" because, duh, they simply changed how it can be diagnosed.
And even if someone got an paralyis with the allegedly same or similar cluster of symptoms they simply called it:
>aseptic mengitis
>encephalitic myelitis
>acute paralytic syndrome
>acute motoric axonal neuropathy
>transve myelitis
>acute flacid myelitis
>gullian barre syndrome
>multiple sclerosis
>amyotropic lateral sclerosis

And all this shit. Also Back in 1955 they didn't even had standard medical lab tests for a disease that were widely utilized.
Almost all "reported infections" were simply determined by a clinical observation and subjective interpretation of visible symptoms.
And if "a disease goes arround" every symptom will be diagnosed as the disease.
Its the hammer problem.
If you have a hammer everything looks like a nail.
They did the same with tuberculosis, diphteria, typhoid fever.
It's all memes to trick you into believing the "diseases" are as "specific" as they claim they are.

>>16122003
Also with "covid" when America went into lock down about 2 months later. "We think covid was here 2 weeks before we locked down"

Covid rule's 1 covid has a 14 day incubation period before symptoms might be noticable so you could be a carrier. 2. When symptoms occur it could last 3-5 days. So you could have covid for 17-19ish days. Get a vaccine for Herd immunity.

2024: commercial if you having symptoms for 3-5 days get the covid vaccine to prevent it.. *scratches head* aren't those 3/5 days basically your death bed. If you make it to day 6 your a miracle survivor.

Also if you look up in any state the counties and look for counties with a population of 1000 people and look through the infection data. After several months. 100-150ish people where infected... But if you look through it day by day. 0.3 people infected.the most you might see for a day is 4/5. But many days are 0.1-0.9.

Doctor: sir you are 10% covid infected
Some cities have a population of 50 people and probably no doctor but still contracted covid statistically.

The biggest thing with covid was the "nose swab" DNA collection like 23 and me.

2020: radio announcer "thanks to the mRNA vaccine we have new in sight on heart disease and scoliosis cures" (WTF) sorry I spread my scoliosis to your parents and grand parents.

But it makes more sense if you look up mRNA hybridization. Basically I can make a cell glow if it meets a gene type I search for like scoliosis gene.
Plus I am sure each patient was given a syringe to go home and analyze the content to confirm it was something other then saline

2021/2022: all of our covid data needs to be redone because people bought counterfeit vaccine cards and black market vaccines and people had been mixed vaccinated.

>>16116430
The absolute state of non-biofags stepping out of their area of expertise.

>>16103061
Post sources, also it's death rate, stuff like hospitals, proper medical practices, clean water, etc lower the death rate. You can't be this stupid.

>>16123240
News isn't a source, also no shit they never get fucking tested.

>>16123350
https://www.oatext.com/Pilot-comparative-study-on-the-health-of-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-6-to-12-year-old-U-S-children.php

>>16123348
>proper medical practices
Medical error is currently the leading cause if death. Going anywhere near a doctor is suicide.

>>16125113
>Medical error is currently
>currently

Let me give you a litte dive into "medical history"

Up until the 1950s it was a practice to give people a substance called "tartar emetic" to induce vomiting.
It was practically used for every single type of disease.
The most frequent combinations were:
>tartar emetic to induce vommiting (it contains antimony which is as toxic as arsenic)
>mercury (calomel) as a laxative
>and sometimes a clyster of mercury (enema), so squirting mercury up the asshole
>blood letting

https://www.sciencedirect.com/sdfe/pdf/download/eid/1-s2.0-S0140673602840296/first-page-pdf

They literally tortured and killed their patients back then aswell
>Picrel
It's not the "middle ages"

>>16125250
>letting of 8 ounces of blood
>poisoning the patient until he vomits
>leeches to the abdomen
>"hmm he appears to be weaker now"
>squirt some mercury up his ass
>poisoning him some more
>he died
>*surprised pikachu face*

>>16108919
>Also since the 1700 it was standard of care to literally poison people when they presented an Illness.
Still our approach for diseases we don't understand, like cancer. Let's just poison the body carefully so you almost die but we'll know how to keep you alive and hopefully the cancer won't survive or at least not be able to grow and thrive

>>16125427
>assuming cancer diagnosis methods are sufficient
>in the slighrest hint of a probabability that a thing might be cancer
>instantly start expensive, sterilizing, invasive therapy

>>16125411
Also application to the upper body with silver nitrate (Nitre) to cause scarification.
Giving laxatives (purgative draught)
Then putting cataplams of toxic plant mixtures on the scarified points.
(chemical burn wounds) .

Doveri poder = Dovers powder
Which is opium with pottassium sulphate and pottasium nitrate.

>>16125435
>intentionally misdiagnose cancer
>use the false positive diagnosis to justify treatment with carcinogenic drugs
>the carcinogens cause cancer, justifying the initial diagnosis
>make massive profits treating the cancer that was caused by the drugs

>>16125250
>>16125411
>>16127630
The old medicine worked. Modern medicine is fake.

>>16128243
>Modern medicine is fake.
its worse than that, if it were just fake then it wouldn't cause as much harm as it does.

>>16129580
There is a difference between the lost art of healing.
And alchemistic snakeoil salesmenship that goes on since the dark ages.

There is a controlled effort against care, love and rest in the favour of administering alchemical concotions.

The hunt against doctors and nurses and establishments that did the simple and helpful thing, to isolate the people from the city environment in things like a Sanatorium and giving people a healthy curing diet and loving care.

The establishment of the "hospital" structure was a pure militaristic set up and a quasi prison.
And they ramped it up since the 1800s.
The booming of "eugenics" and the ever present disgust of peasants.
They poisoned and experimented on people and pretended to be scientific.
Modern medicine is only the exchange from acute and lethal toxic methods to slow long game toxic compounds.
Slow and microdosed poison except in cases of maximum plausible situations like "cancer".

>>16129580
It's fake in a way that it makes you sick, then gets you pay for treating you. And be grateful for it, because how would you survive without their glasses, such an amazing invention!

>>16129665
make sick.
sell you meds, to get healthy.
meds only supress symtoms.
comming back later with sickness.
give more meds.
meds now give you new sickness.
get new meds for new sickness.

>>16119954
> herd immunity
Vaccines are completely useless for stopping diseases, they are unable to provide any immunity at all.

>>16103061
Is beyond obvious all that is a complete scam. Diseases went down when people could afford to eat better thanks to the hard work of engineers boosting farms productivity. Meanwhile the globalists are telling you that eating a healthy diet of meat, eggs, and milk is bad, while trash like sodas and vaccines are good.

This correlates.
> Plumbing infiltration has improved dramatically from just 60 years ago; in 1950, one fourth of the country and over 50% of rural residents lacked complete plumbing facilities.
Pic somehow related.

>>16121984
very good post. even few years back there was mercury in all vacciness and doctors will call you schizo for pointing out that heavy metals are super toxic for human body.

>>16103061
The death rates on all of those drop to near zero shortly after the use of antibiotics became widespread

>>16130976
but not because the "antibiotics" worked so good.
But because the stopped literally torturing patients with alchemistic esotheric and retarded methods, like described here:
>>16125250
or here
>>16108919


Up until the 1940s it was a death sentence if you had to go to a hospital with something more than a broken bone.

And mostly you were doomed if you went to a doctor and consoomed the snake oil, because it most likely would have lead people to end up in the hospital.

>>16131111
It worked. The modern medicine is a fabrication, and most of the diseases it treats is cased by it in thd first place. The heavy metals worked, the herbs worked becayse they are hyperaccumulators. The main source of confusion was likely pic, and possibly the confusion between elements - there's a thallium ore that looks like realgar, an antimony ore that looks like lead, and other confusion might have happened.

>>16131111
It worked. The modern medicine is a fabrication, and most of the diseases it treats is cased by it in the first place. The heavy metals worked, the herbs worked because they are hyperaccumulators. The main source of confusion was likely pic, and possibly the confusion between elements - there's a thallium ore that looks like realgar, an antimony ore that looks like lead, and other confusion might have happened.

>>16116455
2.5% of lifelong lower limb paralysis is insanely high. I would not take those odds.

Antivaxx people are too psychotic wont even touch this subject.

>>16116455
>Irreversible paralysis from polio was 2.5%
Sauce?

>>16132022
And clearly that can't be a communist false flag to discredit American or something. Why do schizos never try and follow every possible logic thread and only stick to the one they already want to be true?

Oh, that's right.It's because when you start thinking that every possible logic thread could be true, you end up noticing how unlikely the more extreme claims are and how banal the real evils get. And you cant have that! That requires humility and only Jew-loving Christcucks valie humility unlike PROUD MASTER WHITES or some shit

>>16132058
>Why do schizos
writes like shizo
lol.

>>16116455
>Irreversible paralysis from polio was 2.5%

>>16103200
>why do they allow an increase in diagnoses associated with vaccine injury?
Ware you fanilliar with the concept of a "limited hangout" ?

why would anyone in their right mind take an injection from the same doctors who would encourage you to have your dick chopped off?

>>16135157
Why would anyone take an untested experimental medication at all if they weren't being paid to be a human guinea pig?

>>16135731
because they're low IQ

>>16136672
Right, but half of all people are below average intelligence and over 1/3 are below 85 IQ

>>16103061
Fake charts, they start at arbitrary years to hide how these were all short lived spikes.

>>16138085
hopefully they all die of the vax soon

>>16138978

>>16103093
/THREAD

>>16109101
the covid vax had no randomized controlled trials

the covid vax was completely ineffective

>>16130197
>engineers boosting farms productivity.
nope, it was farmers who did that, not engineers

>>16103093
The purpose of the chart is to rethink the cost-benefit analysis of mass vaccination, retard.
If the actual drop off in cases of disease is much less than what is widely thought, maybe the skyrocketing cases of autism and sudden adult death syndrome become not worth it.

>>16142814
or the ruse of chronic inflamatory diseases, which are mostly declared as :
>autoimmune disease
Which is like "Dark matter" of medicine.

Here.
the studies that look at incidence of autoimunity, do not count the "diagnosis term or ICD-10 code", but also the clinical manifestation which in the past had different diagnosis but the same symptoms.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/294419057_The_World_Incidence_and_Prevalence_of_Autoimmune_Diseases_is_Increasing

Could it be because we "interfere with immunity" with substances that agitate the immunesystem?

"net % increased /year incidence and prevalence of autoimmune diseases worldwide were 19.1±43.1 and 12.5±7.9, respectively. Rheumatic, endocrinological, gastrointestinal and neurological autoimmune diseases revealed the following annual % increases per year: 7.1, 6.3, 6.2, and 3.7, respectively. In all of these, differences between old vs new frequencies were highly significant (p < 0.0001). Comparing various autoimmune diseases, celiac disease increased the most and the highest increase in incidence, comparing old to new surveys is allocated to myasthenia gravis. Despite considerable variations between the countries, celiac, type 1 diabetes and myasthenia gravis frequencies increased the most in Canada, Israel and Denmark, respectively. Frequencies of the autoimmune diseases increased significantly in the West and North when compared to East and South, respectively."
And apparently it's now totally normal that children have "rheumatic athritis" with 0-14 years.

>>16103321
>Usefulness is determined when measles outbreaks happen in the US and are concerned in vaccine denialist communities.
hahahahaha

>vaccination rate over 90%
>rash never diagnosed as measles
>cannot be measles because vaccination gives immunity, right?
>what an effective vaccine
>vaccination rate drops below 90%
>general practitioners are instructed to run diagnostic tests for measles whenever someone has a rash
>but only for the unvaccinated because vaccinated cannot get measles, right?
>positive cases necessarily appear
>HEY THERE'S A MEASLES OUTBREAK AMONG THE UNVACCINATED
>vaccination campaign begins
>people go and get vaccinated
>vaccinated with a rash don't get tested because it can't be measles if they're vaccinated, right?
>fewer tests = fewer cases
>outbreak is gone
>what an effective vaccine

>>16143463
Thats an extremely plausible scenario

>>16144662
That is exactly how its done...
See:
>>16109137

>>16144782
OK, thanks for the link

>>16143463
>>rash never diagnosed as measles
>>cannot be measles because vaccination gives immunity, right?
Prove otherwise

>>16103061
I wouldn't get or give my kids any of the ones for silly Victorian era wallowing in filth diseases like that
but what about tetanus, I'm paranoid about stepping on a rusty nail and contracting lockjaw

>>16146913
Clostridium tetani is a harmless bacteria regularly found in intestines of healthy organisms. Official medicine confirms that most "tetanus cases" are "asymptomatic'.
About 30% of german population is unvaccinated, that's more than 20 million people. Do they get any massive die offs? In 2020 there was literally one death due to tetanus.
There are zero scientific proofs that c. tetani causes a disease. Zero.

>>16146913
>contracting lockjaw

Dude.
Literally metalpoisoning causes lackjaw, encephalitis, meningitis.

Not a bacteria that lurks coincidentally on a rusty nail.

Also the time when "Lockjaw" was propagated (1900-1930) they were pushing lead arsenate, paris green and various "pesticides" based of mercury and arsenic.
Imagine having a farm, spraying and powdering everything with highly neurotoxic arsenic based pesticides and then getting a scratch and getting it in your bloodstream.
And then when you appear with headaches and "rheumatic fever" they literally poisoned you with some more stuff like here:
>>16125250
>>16108919

>>16146913
>I'm paranoid about stepping on a rusty nail
why? you don't go outside and you don't do any carpentry

>>16138362
>1800s medical diagnoses are totally real guys!

>>16149130
I have a 2 series medical books of childhood diseases from 1928.
They literally admit, that its almost impossible to distinguish measels from:
Mumps, scarlet fever, rubella, tosiola and other childhood "skin" erruptions.
While they also say, those are the most harmless childhood diseases.

The doctors literally made shit up for sake of not appearing incompetent.

>>16149130
If you don't look at the history of "how [insert disease of the past]" was originally treated they you don't get the Idea why it was so deadly.
Not only was the "cause" of Tuberculosis vague and but most likely industrial poisoning by toxic chemical fumes.
But also they were unable to differenciate properly between "peunmonia", "bronchitis" and "tuberculosis".
> https://pmj.bmj.com/content/1/3/33
in the late 1800s and early 1900s they gave pelple toxic and extremly invasive therapies, which killed them.
They gave people for example "Shiloh's Consumption Cure".
Which was Alcohol, morphine and chloroform and tar.

Not only that, they did "Plobages" on a lot of people on SUSPICION of tuberculosis.
They didn't had serious "diagnostic tools" for that.
They just, filled the lungs with acrylic balls...

Doctors loved to tell every thing is "tuberculosis". Because then they could "experiment" on the patient. And "find a cure" and become "heroes" and had shizophrenic paranoia to not "diagnose the worst possibility".

Quote from 01 December 1925 Postgraduate Medical Journal:

"From the physician's
point of view it is easier and safer to give a positive
diagnosis in a doubtful case. If pulmonary tuberculosis is diagnosed and the patient recovers, credit
is given to the doctor. Even if the diagnosis is
wrong"

>>16149130
Or how abour whopping cough.
Was it "bacteria"?
Or the odd practice of powdering the Infants.

The decrease of whoping cough coincided with the decrease of usage of baby powder.
And even the American association of pediatrics said its a threat:
https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article-abstract/68/2/265/75190/Baby-Powder-A-Hazard?redirectedFrom=fulltext

"A recent report reviewed more than 25 cases of talcum powder aspiration with a mortality of 20%.1 These cases represent only the most severe episodes. The true incidence of baby powder inhalation is grossly underestimated."

And if a infant gets talkum or even asbestos enhanced babypowder in its lungs, it may lead to severe respiratory episodes, because if you get dust contamination in the lungs the bodies natural response is to cough it up.

Not only that, but it was also a "trend" to literally tranqulize infants with morphine or laudanum which causes respiratory depression which may lead to fluid build up in the lungs which leads to coughing episodes and death.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26163533/

>>16149571
Hey Goy,
You need to move on to our latest brand of poison with the least side effects otherwise you can't travel or have friends.

>>16103093
>Also, the vaccine for typhoid fever does not provide long-lasting immunity (requiring repeat or booster doses)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.png

>>16103061

These are just thoughts and not to be taken as complete facts.

What if the system (of the tools of fire and artificial electricity (the grid)) appears like - imbalance in reality (reality is a collective projection of different aspects of Time that are like wizards through different spectrums in soul energy. Those entities are are like different body parts/different numbers/different dopplegangers of Time and things such as vaccines (related to memory), baptism (related to speech), and physical circumcisions (related to actions) are balancing the imbalnce that it (a specific number in numbers or a doppleganger of time, a dark 2D entity that is related to - tears that has its spectrum in soul energy) had generated through its shadow (memory).

It is like different number systems of math that can be convertable into other like base - 8 to base - 10 except the system of civillization or the grid is related to conversions of soul energy spectrums that are related to realm of dead and realm of life, and thats what monetory system is.

Technology is from realm of the dead, that is parallel dimension of realm of life. Thats what when they say - They live or you are not alone (god and reverse god).

It seems, The same - Time is operating as god and reverse god from timeless state and ream of dead set up system according to them and can pull the realm of life along with it.

They can switch god and reverse god aspects in mortals (it depends on functionalities of the body (magic wand of Time)) through the system that is by realm of the dead without awareness and it seems it happens within few decades like how females or bodies changes over time. So, the protagonist and the antagonist are the same entities like front and back of the body. Its like how motherhood of a female stops after some age, before they are realted to multiple dopplegangers of Time such as reproductive, digestive and decay systems and later its more related to digestive and decay systems.

>>16149837
What the fuck did you just ramble there

>>16116430
Lol wtf is this post. Did you think he meant sucrose?

>>16150186
We live in mixed reality of realm of living and realm of dead (soul energy that is dead like - tears and other dead fluids of body like sweat etc and AI is from that aspect of time that is doppleganger of dead - i) and the system is from dead - i of time as a parallel dimension that has its kind of happening - i (that is like trash removal system through fear and disbelief, soul energy related to gangstalking, humiliating, suffering, mocking etc) .

Since there are always fear and disbelief the system by dead - i appears like complete reality, but its magic by the spectrum of soul energy by realm of dead - what they call - X that is projecting its kind of magic and it is operating from future as a parallel realm like all other - I's of Time. Its the same Time but through different - I (Time operates through happen - I, happening - i and happend - i that are like inhale, soul energy (speech and actions) and exhale of the breath.

Technology is from the realm realm of dead.

And the system is by that entity through its functionality and it is balacing the imbalance that it had generated in base reality (such as civillization and the grid, fire and artificial electricity within reality). Vaccines (related to memory) are probably related to that balancing the imbalance like baptisms (related to speech) and circumcisions (related actions).

sure smells like /pol/ in here