/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12167434
science as an ideology is dead with the destruction of positivism, by the atheists like all scientists and philosophers of science themselves

science as a tool for populism is dead since the date where there is no more impressive technological progress, plus people get used to it and need bigger and bigger hedonistic fix.

About as overrated as democracy.
Reminder: just because the weakness in something is exposed doesn't mean there's a better alternative.

>>12167434
Smart people listen to science.

The science has spoken.

>>12167434
Science isn't science anymore.

It's a spokesperson for politics, ideology and corporate interests.

>>12167461
"Carbon budget" sounds like a totally real science.

reminder we need as much greenhouse as possible for the overdue super-volcanic winter

>>12167434
Yes, most science research today is sponsored by corporations. It's not longer lighted by the spirit of inquiry and search for truth

>>12167434
Excuse me, I believe I can translate into normal people language
>"At this moment, we're facing both lockdowns causing horrible economic impact and the timeless, spaceless, threat of the devil, I mean climate change."
>"We need a President who agrees with me."

>>12167434
Yes. When political agenda talk about science, they're talking about "science." Aka anything that matters to their point and ignore/dismiss/vilify anything that doesn't matter to their point.

>>12167434
would like one of these neolibs to define science other than "muh overpaid guy in labcoat said thing"

>>12167434
>>12167461
>alters human existence
>Billions will die and life as we know it will be destroyed
>Society will collapse if you don't follow our very specific social control policies that we, the elites, do not need to follow
>'okay so what is your proposed solution?'
>oh its easy, we just need to effectively destroy the backbone of every single economy in the world thus destroying every organized society and killing billions
If people actually cared about climate change and it was a serious threat they would be switching to nuclear energy instead of the cancer that is 'green' energy. I'd much rather take my chances with potential environmental catastrophe than give psychopathic retards an inch of control.

>>12167444
positivism isn’t dead. i am a logical positivist and i advocate discerning sense from nonsense. and too much of what i see is nonsense. in today’s political sphere both sides are dominated by nonsense but if it came to trump vs. biden then it is clear to me that the person who values sense over nonsense more is Biden

>>12167434
Dementia Joe has troubles remembering what year it is, I'm supposed to trust his judgment concerning science solutions?

Oh ya that's right he's a temp pres until he steps down in 6 or so months "if" he wins the election so Kamala will be calling the shots

>>12169243
here’s my personal definition of science. science is the field of knowledge that deals with empirically verified facts that are reproducible as well as the study of models that accurately provide frameworks for understanding those facts.

this stands in contrast with the popularity contest that is politics, humanities, social “science”, and everything else where “opinion” enters

>>12167434
Western scientism is. Don't confuse the rationalist tangent as "science". The scientific method is pure empiricism. This is not. The authority here is not the undeniable observable reality, it's the feelings of the masses.

>>12169293
just wait till they come for the maths... oh wait

>>12167434
>doesn't mention the biggest recession since 2007 too
How convenient

Lmao the amount of absolute morons here with a hs level understanding of science. No wonder it makes people seethe so much, it actually produces rigorours arguments about important shit and trascends moronic plebite conversations about meme ideologies.

>>12167434
>believes
kek hes not hiding that their brand of "science" is a religion

>>12167455
> science is the worst form of religion, except for all others

SCIENCE
HAS FAILED
OUR WORLD

>>12169461
yet they will stay silent about engineering

>>12167434

>>12167434
>climate change
>existential threat
Yikes

Even a full scale nuclear war is barely an "existential" threat to humanity. At this point, even a catastrophic, immense asteroid that turns the surface of the earth to magma barely counts given that we're almost capable of living in space independently.

Seems underated if anything.

It's like intellectualism.
I love actual intellect. I hate intellectuals.
I love science. I hate "science".
I love history. I hate historians.
etc.

>>12169559
You greatly overestimate human capability. A typical hurricane leaves people in the dark for a week in developed nations. Anything that turns off the power with no ETA for when it comes back will cause a collapse.

NO, SCIENCE IS HECKIN BASED

DID YOU KNOW THAT EVERYTHING ON EARTH INCLUDING US HUMANS ARE MADE OF DEAD STAR DUST??? FRIGGIN EPIC

>>12169573
Why was this deleted?

>>12169293
>of the masses.
Is it even the masses though? I feel like "spiteful mutant with feelings of inferiority" is more the category.

>>12169573
WOAH THATS SO EPIC DUDE

>>12167434
>We need a president who believes in science
I swear to god these politician faggots are trying to sound like science is non existent under trump.

Cant wait for the disintegration of both parties btw

americans dont understand leadership

SCIENCE
HAS FAILED OUR MOTHER EEEAARRRTH

Why are people so upset by the idea that shitty modern civilization won’t last?

>Why are people so upset by the idea that shitty modern civilization won’t last?

>>12169615
How many Funko Pops do you own?

>>12169620
If you lose the capability to produce Funko Pops you will never go to space

>How many Funko Pops do you own?

Imagine believing anything this decaying walking corpse thinks. Yikes.

>>12169631
He’s a flesh golem animated by Mesopotamian sorcerers

>>12169573
>>12169600
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting

You want science to make public policy> You are fucking idiots.
Government will control your diet
Tobacco no
alcohol no
sugar and fats no
dangerous activities no
tattoos no
etc etc etc

>>12169572
Ok, but will it cause humanity to go extinct?
I would say no.
Existential, to me, implies extinct. If "existential" just means shitty for a bit, I don't buy that definition.

>>12167434
The trouble is the growing schism between:
a) science - a rigorous methodology and series of academic disciplines for understanding our physical universe and
b) Science - a dogmatic ideology that justifies baseless conclusions and the suppression of dissenting opinions with hollow appeals to authority

>>12167479

>I'm tasked with going over COVID-19 papers for my hospital and I constantly have to filter out gender, sex, and racial ones coming from faggots with coauthors from gender, race and sex studies

I for one welcome a Christian fundamentalist state right now

>>12167434
Did Obama not believe in science? He was president for 8 years.

Science is, similarly to religion, someone's best guess. The difference between religion and science is the position should evolve as more data becomes available. Science will also label it self as a theory even though all data available points to it as a fact, where religion will swear up and down that it is a fact when no data is available. Both are manipulated for political and financial gains - that's humanity though, we exploit. Probably the only thing that we are good at.

>>12167434
people should be more worried about the Energy crisis( we will consume too much and don't produce enough, especially if more people will use electric cars) , resource depletion, land infertility, overpopulation, etc.

>>12170250
Especially in combination: During the 90s I ran across a University of Chicago publication issued in the 70s, which charted the steady increase in the energy required to mine and refine the ever more dilute mineral ores in known reserves. And while improved discovery technology has since delayed the onset of crisis-level shortages by a few decades, the principle of the double-crunch remains the same for any mineral resource that simply has no new-materials substitute.

>>12170075
Holy epic science!!! is to religion as science is to mysticism.

>>12169281
models just only be used to generate hypotheses though, the big problem we are having right now is people are treating model outputs as infallible truth

Not one of the /pol/tards talking shit about science has a degree in science or any research experience. You are the equivalent of an incel. A scicel.

posting basedaks is pure anti intellectualism. It is way cooler to be interested in science even at a layman level than to be wanking to jesus or paganism whatever the cool new thing is now hot in your incel circles

>>12170643
>people are treating model outputs as infallible truth
Let the retards be retards. They'll naturally select themselves for extinction.

>>12170650
>le /pol boogyman
Also are you able to refute any of these peoples arguments? Seems like you cant

>>12167434
Shouldn't it be "our lifetimes", plural?

>>12167434
>"Believes in science"

It's gone full blown religion huh..?

>>12169989
This. People who "believe in Science!" have just chosen to devote themselves to the men in labcoats instead of them men in vestments.

>>12167434
Science is there to present the facts. And that means you have idiots interpreting what it means(like politisizing it or denying it). No one has the brain cells enough to actually take the time to read science papers. It's literally a small amount of scientists who are interested in the subject and that's a problem. Because that means corporations and news outlets can dumb it down for everyone and not present the whole facts. And yes these people exists. >>12169573

>>12170797
>the facts
Yikerino. There's no such thing as facts in science. You're looking for religion.

>>12170807
What?

>>12170807
What are you on about, assclown?

>>12170814
You heard me. If you think "facts" exist in any hard sense in science, you don't understand science. There are temporary beliefs subject to revision.
If you want certainties about the world that are supposed to never change, you're looking for dogma, which is a religious thing. Not, ideally, a scientific thing.
Which former scientific belief ("fact") would you like us to believe:
That the overlapping fossil records of continents surrounded by oceans is due to a near endless array of now vanished land bridges. (The early 20th century, pre-continental-drift view.)
That it's impossible to have a triangle with interior angles that add to something other than 180 degrees. (The 18th century, pre-non-Euclidian view.)
Global cooling. (The 1970s view of climate trends.)

There are no facts in science. The whole point of the endeavour is a willingness to scrap potentially any belief about the world. Sorry sweaty, but that means you don't have facts.

>>12170837
You got a little too confident before I could reply huh. Look above this post you redditor.

>>12170756
No. You can believe in things that are factual. I believe I'm alive, for instance. I mean maybe I'm not, but the evidence would suggest that I am.

>>12170854
When we speak of things as facts in science, it's supposed to be contextual and for convenience. The whole enterprise rests on radical doubt.

>>12170714
>le /pol/ boogyman
t. /pol/tard

>Also are you able to refute any of these peoples arguments?
What arguments?

>>12170650
>a degree
Shoo credentialist.
Degrees have probably been bad for science on balance.

>>12170839
>There are temporary beliefs subject to revision
Yes. Which applies to what I was talking about interpretation. Not everything is factual. But every factual thing is is already applying itself. Stuff that you should already know which is called common sense.

>If you want certainties about the world that are supposed to never change, you're looking for dogma, which is a religious thing.
Not even fucking relevant

>That the overlapping fossil records of continents surrounded by oceans is due to a near endless array of now vanished land bridges. (The early 20th century, pre-continental-drift view.)
>That it's impossible to have a triangle with interior angles that add to something other than 180 degrees. (The 18th century, pre-non-Euclidian view.)
Global cooling. (The 1970s view of climate trends.)
Again interpretation. Good job retard.

>There are no facts in science. The whole point of the endeavour is a willingness to scrap potentially any belief about the world. Sorry sweaty, but that means you don't have facts.

You sound like a mad faggot. You took one thing I said and autistically focused on that one thing. All what you said is nonsensical bullshit that is not even relevant in this thread. Good job you fucking clown.

>>12170912
t. Someone who definitely isn't steaming

>>12170839
>You heard me. If you think "facts" exist in any hard sense in science, you don't understand science. There are temporary beliefs subject to revision.
You misunderstand, facts are directly observable, not beliefs.

>That the overlapping fossil records of continents surrounded by oceans is due to a near endless array of now vanished land bridges.
Theory, not a fact. The overlapping fossil records of the continents is a fact, land bridges was a theory that explained that fact.

>That it's impossible to have a triangle with interior angles that add to something other than 180 degrees.
Has nothing to do with empirical science, it's just a mathematical definition.

>Global cooling. (The 1970s view of climate trends.)
It was a minority view. Pic related. Sorry you feel for denier propaganda.

>>12170907
Degrees have been the best thing for science and have shuffled out the frauds and pseuds like you, for the most part. All the greatest scientists had degrees. This is a cope by you. You are not a scientist, you're not even a hobbyist, you're a fucking pseud that reads shit online and repeats it in a vaccuum because you lack the necessary background information about the field.

>>12170945
Yikes, I have two degrees: one humanities and one science.

>>12170945
Sorry boomer. This is a different time where internet dominates and everything presents itself online now. Instead of going to universties and paying student loans. You can do it from home and become an independent researcher. Get with the times.

>>12170953
>>12170974
Blah, blah, fucking pseuds. Fuck off to /pol/.

>Blah, blah, fucking pseuds. Fuck off to /pol/

>>12170983
>the evidence contradicted my assumption
>me, the enlightened scientist, will ad hom now

I hate it when liberals preach about saving the civilization

>>12169250
>Muh world economiesssss
You know this shit is about cutting losses, don't you? Or are you going to pull the same bullshit as the pandemic, complaining about "muh economy" falling overnight and instead putting us through this hell of recession for years to come?

>>12170870
Okay that's true, I'm just saying that the whole "science is a religion" thing is bollocks.

Science rests on evidence; religion rests on faith.

Faith is necessarily believing things without evidence. Taking a "leap of faith", of course.

>>12170797
>Science is there to present the facts.
not since 1960
pretty much most useful technology can be explained with quantum mechanics without relativistic corrections. There are probably some practical things based on RQM, but I can't remember any right now.
QFT and all the shit which spawned is purely for wasting money and discovering 'particles' (like only a small portion of what the 'models' predict).
Grand scale cosmology is like a replacement for religion among the science community along with fancy interpretations of QM. Prove me wrong.

My favorite thing was the Cali governor's response:

>what's that, wildfires ravaging our countryside all over?
>should we grow our forest and fires division more and hire better people with the objective of doing a better job of containment in the future?
>should we consider a better environmental plan that eliminates high-risk plant and tree life and cuts off vulnerable spread corridors to mitigate the damage in the future
>....
>BAN GAS CARS IN 2035

>>12167434
Scientism is, not science. The veneration of some all knowing force called "science" is what people who aren't religious but also know nothing about the scientific method do.

>>12171201
You forgot the most important one
>Should we reevaluate the entire concept of trying to maintain extensive urban and agricultural communities in the middle of what was originally the middle of the fucking desert?
>Nah, lets just assume the Midwest states will sit back and let us drain the Great Lakes at some point in the future

>>12171101
Yes and i'd rather cut my losses with a changing climate that we are very likely to adapt to, especially with technology, than give over societal control to absolutely insane communists that utilize Science™ as justification for their absolutely idiotic policy.
>Muh rona
ok retard

>>12169544
Basee SOAD posters. The zoomers and underage posters have no idea

Everything will turn out fine. Corona and climate change (or whatever they are calling it now) are just yet another pair of doomsday cults.

>>12171350
Over my dead body.

>>12167434
the problem is everyone being a midwit

>>12171322
>>12171112

I'm an actual scientist. I mostly hate academia, it's a huge grift from the government to university systems and to the arrogant pseudo-scientist PIs working there under the disguise of "research" and "education". I'm glad the government cuts funding to NSF because most NSF projects are fucking boondoggles of useless research so professors can get paid and jerk themselves off a little extra.

>>12167461
If I accept climate change, then I have fallen for fearmongering, and leftists told me that makes me an idiot.
If I reject climate change, then I am a science denier, and leftists told me that makes me an idiot?
Am I just an idiot?
>But our fears are legitimate, everyone else's fears are delusions
This shouldn't matter though, as the subject was attitudes towards fearmongering in the abstract, regardless of how legitimate someone thinks their fears are. Everyone thinks their own fears are legitimate.

>Far right fearmongering
>Don't fall for far right fearmongering
Don't let the far right control you with fear
>The far right rely on fearmongering because they have no real arguments
>All of society is beholden to far right fearmongering, and this is why bad things still exist
What happens if I was raised from birth with this attitude, but all actual fearmongering I have experienced has been coming from leftists?
>Trump election hysteria
>Brexit hysteria
>Russia hysteria
>Climate hysteria
>Fascism hysteria
>Virus hysteria
>Automation/AI hysteria
>Etc
Where is the white demographic replacement clock, etc if our societies are actually being controlled by far right fearmongering?