/sci/ - Science & Math

Treat them with basic, interpersonal respect and let them live their lives while you live yours. They'll do for the same for you and it never has to get mentioned again.

I'm willing to bet you're the one who initiated the resistance/debate.

>>3669912
South Park wasn't right?

>>3669930
As they do. Always.

>>3669930
I would leave them alone if they left me alone. Sadly, they vote.

"I don't believe in your god for the same reason you don't believe in anyone else's god. I don't believe in Jesus for the same reason you don't believe in Zeus. You know Zeus is not real. You know Thor is not real. Look in your heart and ask yourself: Why do I believe Jesus Christ is real? Or, why do I believe Allah is real?"

It disturbs them more than they admit, I suspect.

I wish suicide weren't a sin. That way, the world would quickly rid itself of people holding theistic inclinations. Theism is all bullshit, there's never been a good piece of evidence presented for it. For awhile, Deism would have been a good alternative--and then along came Darwin.

Christian: An introduction? Okay, well, I'm 23, male, christian. God plays an important role in my--

Atheist: You're a christian? LMAO

Christian: Yes. God is a very important part of my li--

Atheist: You do realize that's all bullshit right?

Christian: Well, I believe in God. I'm not about to change that. It's part of who I am.

Atheist: Give me ONE GOOD SCIENTIFIC PIECE OF EVIDENCE that god exists, seriously.

Christian: It doesn't work that way. The Bible relates strongly to the struggles I've dealt with in my life and helped me get through them. I choose to believe in God, that's all.

Atheist goes home, posts
WHAT CAN WE DO TO SHUT THESE CHRISTIANS UP THEY'RE TRYING TO FORCE THEIR BULLSHIT ON EVERYONE

>>3669930

>Treat them with basic, interpersonal respect and let them live their lives while you live yours. They'll do for the same for you and it never has to get mentioned again.

Except most of the candidates for president of the united states in 2012 are creationists. People like you are to blame for this because you focus your ire on those who oppose that kind of thing.

>I'm willing to bet you're the one who initiated the resistance/debate.

No, periodically we get people dropping by the science forums announcing they are educated christians interested in debate, usually homeschooled.

>>3669945
>Theism
>Evidence

Uh, Faith?

Even if suicide wasn't a sin, why would they kill themselves?

>wat are you talking about

>>3669955

It never happens like this. That's probably how the theist sees it, though.

>>3669959

>faith

No.

Theists do not assert their views as a matter of faith; they assert them as a matter of fact. Christians do not metaphorically believe that Jesus Christ rose from the dead; they believe that he literally reanimated and arose to another plane of existence.

Many times when confronted, theists will hide behind the "It's just my belief" card. And that is, and has always been, bullshit. If it's just a belief, then it's just an opinion. But they know deep down it's not just an opinion--because opinions are not facts, and they believe every bit of their theistic assertions as facts.

This is why the only sensible thing is to reject theism.

>>3669959

>Uh, Faith?

Where did you get the idea that faith is a valid substitute for evidence?

>>3669937
Because the Greeks said that Zeus lived on top of Mount Olympus, and we've been to the top of Mount Olympus and there's nobody there?

>>3669955
I really feel like this is the face behind the thread, or something very close, I can see a /sci/fag acting exactly like this when given the opportunity, even if the Christian was calm and collected.

>>3669966

Because the Christians said that God created the universe in seven days, and that the earth is ten thousand years old, and that the Earth is the center of the universe, and all that turned out to be wrong?

>13 year old atheist circle jerk thread

yayy

>>3669973

>hawkins is not impressed by your bullshit

>>3669967

And it doesn't bother you that those feelings indicate a powerful bias on your part? I've never seen christians even attempting to be reasonable in an argument. The moment it begins to go pear shaped for them, it's like they turn into a screeching howler monkey.

>>3669973

>13
>I'm 28
>You've pulled the exact same shit as predicted by the OP

>>3669971
That can easily be interpreted as a metaphor. "Zeus definitely lives on top of Mt Olympus and any human who climbs it will see him," not so much.

>>3669964
I didn't say it was, i was implying that they weren't going to ever give you any evidence because they know damn well there is none. Anyone who asks for evidence is going to be really displeased, they should know that before they ask. I'm not saying this is okay, im just saying it is what's going to happen.

>>3669963
I wasn't saying accept theism, i was just saying that there are theists out there who do just say, "It's faith", and they won't argue because they know they got nothing.

>>3669975

The best argument I've ever had with a Christian was when he invoked hell. I smiled and said, "Hell doesn't frighten me at all."

"Hell has walls thirty feet thick. And there's fire, everywhere. And it's a horrible place, and I don't want you to go there."

"Thank you for your concern. But really, there's nothing at all to be afraid of. Don't be intimidated. Hell is nothing to be afraid of."

He looked so fucking stupefied that someone could be unafraid of hell.

"So what do you think happens when you die?"

"I think when you die, you disappear. I mean, you might comfort yourself with the thought of heaven. But I don't think there is such a place. That's why I miss my dead family. Otherwise, what's the point?"

I hope I got through to him.

>>3669967
Maybe. There are a bunch of asshat atheists out there. Dunno.

>>3669982

>metaphor
>"It's just a belief"

No, no, no, that cannot be used here. By what criterion do we decide which parts of the Bible are metaphor, and which are literal? Constantly we hear Christians say that it is the literal word of God. It just doesn't make any sense.

If it is the word of God, then God is either an idiot or a liar.

>>3669986

I guess, but "asshat atheist" tends to really mean "Any atheist I have argued with and lost to" when a theist says it.

>>3669982
Only because that's what your parents tell you. They're both "written" in more or less a literal meaning.

Out of interest, why does it matter so much what other people believe?

I'm an Atheist, before you start your shit, and some part of me does look down on people for accepting an easier "reality" over any kind of realistic one.

At the same time, they're a fellow human being and I'm sure they can do a lot of good in their lives regardless of their religious inclination. If they try and convert you, there is no reason you cannot politely dissuade them without having to put them down.

It may well be impossible to be a Christian and be realistic, but it seems it's near-impossible for us atheists to be nice.

>>3669990
You've never actually read the Bible, have you?

Do you think that whoever wrote the Song of Songs actually watched a random couple have sex and wrote about it? Or do you think he wrote a poem about a couple that didn't actually exist?

Jesus spoke almost entirely in parables, metaphors, and allegories. If the bible says Jesus is the Son of God, then it would make sense that God and Jesus would be similar. Thus, the bible - if it were written by God - would be full of parables, metaphors, and allegories.

But all of that is besides the point - you never actually addressed my last point. There is a way to interpret Genesis as a metaphor, there is no way to interpret Zeus living on Mt. Olympus as a metaphor.

>>3669996

>Out of interest, why does it matter so much what other people believe?

Dumb question. See pic. It's your next president.

>>3669996
>Out of interest, why does it matter so much what other people believe?

They vote.

>>3669958
Oh, it's on a forum? That's different.

I thought this was just an in-person conversation, in which case starting stupid arguments is really awkward and immature.

>>3669999
>>3670000

Because converting that one retard is really going to make a lot of difference, right?

Sounds much more like an excuse to throw your weight and apparent superiority around than anything else.

>>3669996

It matters to me what people believe because belief does not change reality. There are people in this world who flatly deny facts, and their beliefs compel them to do ignorant and violent things, or to inhibit other people getting a decent education.

Science flew men to the moon; religion flew men into skyscrapers.

Belief deserves no respect.

>>3669937
Unfortunately I am Mormon and as such we all believe that personal revelation is necessary to believe in God. It's a necessary part of our doctrine. What makes the LDS church unique among all other major religions is we TEACH OUR CHILDREN TO BE SKEPTICAL.

Yes you heard me, we teach each other that unless we all have a personal witness of the truth then not to believe any of it. Seriously, look it up if you don't believe me, it's a fundamental part of our doctrine so you'll find it quickly.

And yet with all the skepticism the LDS church has a higher percentage of scientists of any religion. You can go ahead and look that up too. Mormons understand the Bible better than any major religion along with Atheists and Jews, you can look that up too.

So no, I reject Zeus because I've never had a personal spiritual experience with Zeus as I have for God, I've never seen miracles as I have when I was an LDS missionary. Study and prayer have yielded far more answers than you would believe.

So no, you cannot reject my religion for the same reason I reject Zeus unless you've had a actual personal spiritual experience that tells you that I'm wrong and you're right and I bet that because you reject religion outright you've never had such an experience.

Instead of asking what you know that we don't, you should probably be asking what we know that YOU don't.

Enjoy.

>>3670004

No. If we want to do this properly, we won't even talk to the retard in hopes of convincing him. What we aim to do is convince his children, and his friends, and all the fence-sitters who haven't made up their minds.

Any mind that can accept without question theistic assertions is a mind that's generally too stupid to reason its way out of them.

>>3670004

>Because converting that one retard is really going to make a lot of difference, right?

If he's the next president, yes. And if not, you have to start somewhere, even if it means changing minds one at a time.

>Sounds much more like an excuse to throw your weight and apparent superiority around than anything else.

Sounds like you're a fucking turncoat.

>>3670004
The Aesop of freedom of speech is that by throwing a bunch of ideas out there in a pot, and arguing over them, hopefully the correct ideas come out more often than not.

I do hope I convert that single person for his own benefit, and for mine. I also do it because maybe they'll show me that I'm wrong, and I'll be better for it.

tl;dr ignorance is stupid and harmful, and talking about things removes ignorance

>>3670012
what if they accept it BECAUSE they questioned it?

>>3670014

Hurrdurrrrr. I'm sure you were debating this with the next president and not just some random asshole who had the unfortunate status of being theistic.

>>3670017

Works very well with non-religious people, but unfortunately those that are religious generally find a way to get offended by what you've said, resulting in a rejection of whatever you say flat out and a ton of upset across both sides. Waste of time.

>>3670011
Are you a young Earth creationist? Do you believe that the native Americans are the long lost tribe of Israel?

>>3670011

>Mormons understand the Bible better than any major religion along with Atheists and Jews, you can look that up too

Nope.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/28/nation/la-na-religion-survey-20100928

deal w/it

>>3670020
>Works very well with non-religious people, but unfortunately those that are religious generally find a way to get offended by what you've said, resulting in a rejection of whatever you say flat out and a ton of upset across both sides. Waste of time.

Which is why I don't do it that often. I do it on 4chan mostly for my own benefit, to hear out trolls and non-trolls alike, to see what interesting arguments they can come up with. I've learned a lot over the years arguing with trolls. It's freedom of speech in action. It's thanks to 4chan, specifically /sci/, for what I know now about my philosophy and (lack of) religious beliefs.

>>3669963
>Christians do not metaphorically believe that Jesus Christ rose from the dead; they believe that he literally reanimated and arose to another plane of existence.

Ehh... growing up in a Christian family, my entire direct and extended family viewed it, as they did all parts of the Bible, as a metaphor. Who are you to say what is the prevailing Christian belief?

There are Creationists who take every word literally, but that is not the entirety of the christian populous.

You might also argue, "but long ago this was all meant to be literal." Maybe so. People read it with enigmatic values that it was something magical. We've since discovered that the magic was in the metaphor-- that the insight Christianity aims to impart on humanity is in its perspective of the human condition.

Whether or not the specific events happened isn't even important.

>>3670000
>>3669999
>Those digits...

>>3670023
>Jews and Mormons ranked just below them in the survey's measurement of religious knowledge — so close as to be statistically tied.
>statistically tied.

now you're just nitpicking.

>>3670020
>>3670027
Also, perhaps I do it because I don't know of a better alternative. Sure it sucks, but it's better than nothing. Most get offended, but some do occasionally change their mind.

>>3669963
>beliefs and opinions are the same
lol wat

>>3670027

Great. I really don't have a problem with people properly discussing these things, but battering a random religious person you meet with your views really doesn't serve any purpose other than pissing them off and stroking your ego.

It's nice to believe you're doing some good, but there are different ways of approaching it.

>>3670028

>who are you to say what is the prevailing Christian belief?

I'm not the one saying it.

Christians are.

>>3670028
>Whether or not specific events happened isn't important.
It isn't? It isn't important if there is an actual hell where you go if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior? I tend to think this is a very important factual matter.

>>3670028

I kind of have to ask: If you're treating it all as a metaphor, what is it you actually believe in?

How do you draw the line between holy truth and metaphorical truth? When do you say "God is real, but this bit did or didn't happen"?

>>3670037
>It's nice to believe you're doing some good, but there are different ways of approaching it.
I'm always open to this. What do you think is a more efficacious way to argue someone out of religious delusion?

>preach against religion
>think atheism makes you immune to religiosity
get off /sci/, fucking summerfag hipsters

>>3670020

>Hurrdurrrrr. I'm sure you were debating this with the next president and not just some random asshole who had the unfortunate status of being theistic.

You missed the point. Anyone you talk to could potentially rise to a position of political authority. What they believe matters.

>>3670051

If you get the opportunity of spending a decent length of time around them, do good in general. Be a nice person, show them that morality is not tied to religion and that atheism can be a path to philanthropy, which somewhat contradicts most religious texts.

If you can't be around them a decent length of time? I don't really see the point. You're arguing the spoken word against holy truth that can be transformed into a metaphor at any given time.

>>3670055
>summerfag hipsters
>sages with pic

Go to bed.

>>3670028

>Ehh... growing up in a Christian family, my entire direct and extended family viewed it, as they did all parts of the Bible, as a metaphor. Who are you to say what is the prevailing Christian belief?

See attached poll. Why do you lie?

>>3670038
>Physicists are saying that standard unified theory is correct.
>Physicists do not believe in anything other than the standard unified theory.

Is what you're saying. Of course, there's deliberation between physicists on those matters, but you're ignoring that, and projecting a global mindset based on the mindset of whatever local group benefits your argument.

>>3670067
I saw the graph, but I didn't see the question they were asked....

THAT WOULD HELP.

>>3670076
It's a well known graph. Also name of picture.

It's a question of do you believe in evolution or something. The US is bad, low on belief on evolution.

>>3670072

You are grasping at straws, now. The majority of Christians believe literally in a literal Jesus who was literally his own father and who literally exists in three parts and who literally was born of a virgin who literally ascended to a literal heaven. He literally died and literally rose from the dead and literally went to heaven and he will literally return to the earth and literally separate the good from the wicked, literally sending some to a literal heaven and literally sending some to a literal hell.

>and you don't know shit about physics

When is /sci/ going to stop being trolled by these threads?

>>3670042
There's your own personal hell if you can't find redemption and direction in your life. You'd be miserable, full of regret, etc. That's generally why a lot of criminals find religion why they're in prison, I think. It creates a distance from the person they want to stop being and the future of who they can be.

But I understand what you're saying-- I should have phrased it better: The value of what the bible holds is not in its historical accuracy. To view it as a collection of factual events detracts from what value it does hold.

>>3670088
>There's your own personal hell if you can't find redemption and direction in your life. You'd be miserable, full of regret, etc. That's generally why a lot of criminals find religion why they're in prison, I think.
At first, I was going to be like "citations please". Then I just lol-ed.

>>3669912
>Is there any conceivable way to get rid of them all in a quick, humane manner?

Christians? Sure if you want Muslims to take over everything and impose sharia law. Then you'll wish you had then back.

As an agnostic master race, I'd much rather live in a Christian than a Muslim nation

>>3670080

>US is just above Turkey

We desperately need to get scientists and filmmakers to mock religion to a high degree and create heroic fictional characters who deride religion. These assholes are way too good at spinning things, we ought to adopt some of their tactics to win this battle.

>>3670095
>scientists mock religion
IMPOSSIBLE, THEY'LL NEVER DO IT.

>>3670088

So what about that part where Lot's daughters drunk the old man up and fuck his brains out up in the mountains? Are we to take it that in certain situations, incest is best?

'Cause I got these hot-ass little cousins who are just about to turn legal...

>>3670095
>We desperately need to get scientists and filmmakers to mock religion to a high degree

Bill Maher tried that with "Religilous". The movie flopped.

>>3670103

I said "scientists" and "filmmakers", not weedfiends with no sense of humor.

sage and reported for non-/sci/

>>3670093

This is probably the most pathetic defense possible. "We're shitheads, but they're even worse shitheads, you'll miss us when they take over!"

>Implying they will 'take over'
>Implying they aren't just trying to get out of their shithole countries for a better life
>Implying they aren't human being but ravenous horde creatures
>Implying everyone being an atheist makes it somehow easier rather than harder for muslims to convert large numbers

Seriously, are you even paying attention? How many atheists do you see converting to Islam?

>>3670103
Also...

>implying the mainstream media and Hollywood aren't extremely anti-Christian

>>3670111
I think you missed the "joke". He was merely stating that maybe we should dispel the myths of Muslims first, as their myths tend to be more dangerous than the myths of Christians.

>>3670080
So it's, "Evolution is:" followed by "True", "false", and "undecided"?

It's not exactly precise for arguing the percentage of christians who feel that the Bible is literal, and not metaphorical. I see also that the graph is almost entirely "True" in many of the countries. Are we restricting this argument to the U.S.?

Some concerns about this graph as evidence:
-There are Christians that live outside of the U.S.
-A Christian who views the bible metaphorical does not necessarily view evolution as true, although I suspect many would
-There exist non-christians who believe that evolution is not true, as well.
-Christians, as it is for all groups of people, have ignorant subscribers. I will gladly admit that, due to the nature of ignorance, Christianity attracts many of them. I do not feel, with Christianity, that validity comes from the masses (no pun intended)

>>3670111
I never said atheists are converting to Islam. Rather, the less religious a society becomes, the fewer children they have while the Muslims have 6 wives and 10 children with each one.

In short, the atheists effectively remove themselves from the gene pool.

>>3670116
Note that I didn't post the graph nor attempt to use it as evidence in a debate. I merely explained what it was.

>>3670113
>He was merely stating that maybe we should dispel the myths of Muslims first

Not that any atheists would actually do that. Theo van Gogh tried and you know what happened to him.

>>3670127
Uhh, lots of people do, including the four horsemen.

>>3670127

DON'T FUCKING BRING THAT UP

MUSLIMS ARE PEACEFUL

DON'T SAY THEY ARE HATEFUL

YOU WANNA GET BLOWN UP?

>>3670017
>Tripfag preaches about the usefulness of proper deliberation
>A supporter takes up the opposition with a polite manner and tries to deliberate sober-mindedly
>Tripfag dismisses and/or mocks, nitpicks, adhom/strawman/etc, and generally disrespects the politeness from the opposition.

tl;dr
Talks about being open-minded
Closed-minded as hell.

>>3670133
>close-minded as hell
You haven't read this thread, have you?

>>3670127

>Not that any atheists would actually do that

Uh, every big atheist book addresses Islam. Sam Harris, Chris Hitchens and Ayaan Hirsi Ali focus on it primarily.

You never read their books, so you didn't know.

>>3670133
lolwut

>>3670139
>Uh, every big atheist book addresses Islam

A few token remarks and then go back to attacking Christians.

>>3670137
I did, I think the "13 year old atheist circle jerk" summed it up best.

You guys give an awful name to atheists. Quit wasting your time with religion if you hate it so much and do something productive instead, like learn math and physics and etc. etc. etc.

>>3670147
Exactly.

>>3670147
>math and physics
>on /sci/

Why woyld you do that ;_;

>>3670147
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Are you saying arguing with religious people does not work - a factual claim - and thus it's not productive? There is evidence that arguing with religious people can work. I can link to many people who have been "converted" to atheism by the four horsemen's books.

Are you trying to say that arguing with religious people is a dick move because they don't harm anyone? Again, that is false. They vote.

>>3669959
I have no idea if suicide is a sin. The Bible doesn't really say. TTBN, the medieval church made this claim.

>>3670147

>You guys give an awful name to atheists.

In what way? Who made you the authority we all need to struggle to please?

>Be a nice person, show them that morality is not tied to religion

I have seen no evidence that atheists are necessarily more moral than Christians and very often worse such as Stalin and Pol Pot.

>inb4 HURR DURR THEY DIDN'T KILL ANYONE BECAUSE OF ATHEISM

Not per se, no. However, if you use atheist logic, you would think that only religious people are capable of bloodshed and that atheists are about peace and love.

>>3670146

>A few token remarks and then go back to attacking Christians.

No jackoff, The End of Faith and Infidel are almost completely about Islam.

>>3670177
Thank you for at least not incorrectly claiming that Hitler was an atheist.

>>3670179
I imagine Ayaan Hirsi Ali would focus on Islam. Not Dawkins and Hitchens of course.

>>3670177

What.

Morality not being tied to religion definitely does not imply that atheists are more moral. It merely suggests that atheists have the capacity to be equally moral compared to Christians. Then again, with morality being subjective, this should be fun.

>>3670177
>Not per se, no. However, if you use atheist logic, you would think that only religious people are capable of bloodshed and that atheists are about peace and love.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

>>3670188

>morality

>subjective

Annnnd I'm out.

>>3669982
Are you fucking retarded? what metaphor comes from "oh im a stupid human who wrote this book the world is 10000 years old because i don't know fuck all about anything because i lived 2000 years ago when people were fucking idiots and they still are now because people read this shit and believe in it"

FYI god supposed to live in the sky why havent we seen him from space!? must not exist OH WAIT you won't apply the same logic that "this must means zeus does not exist" instead you will say "OH THIS IS ANOTHER METAPHOR HURP DURP"

>>3670189
I have had atheists tell me point blank that all violence that has ever happened in all of history was because of religion and that if there only were no religions, everyone would link arms and sing Kumbaya.

>>3670188
>It merely suggests that atheists have the capacity to be equally moral compared to Christians.

Right, when they follow the moral code of the religion they claim to not believe in.

>>3670197
Ok. Sorry that you've met some idiot atheists. I'll agree there are stupid atheists and you can agree there are creationists.

None of the big players in the atheist scene, like the four horsemen, ever say anything so idiotic.

Whereas there are plenty of well respected and popular people in the religious scene who are young Earth creationists.

And that is why what you did is a straw man, or at least an illegitimate comparison.

>>3670184
Godwin's Law.

>>3670208
>None of the big players in the atheist scene, like the four horsemen, ever say anything so idiotic.

I'm pretty sure all the idiot atheists just regurgitate the talking points from those guys.

>>3670177

>treating Atheism and Religion as if they function the same way

wut

>>3670197
It's the internet generation of atheists: retarded, circlejerking forum-goers with 10000+ post considting of pseudo-philosofical ramblings.

It wouldn't surprise me if they did't know what they were talking about.

>>3670227
Yes, and all of them rely on stale copypasta arguments from richarddawkins.net.

Dawkins really did prove correct the adage that "You'll never go broke appealing to the lowest common denominator"

>>3670217
I love how the pretend-theist trolls just go on to a different point in an "attempt" to claim victory when their logic has been defeated.

If you're not a troll, you are bad and you should feel bad. You are being quite disingenuous as you divert the conversation from a topic you've lost.

>>3670227
>>3670234
I would bet that this is just 1-2 same fags who are trolling /sci/. No one can be this stupid or dishonest.

>>3670236
>I love how the pretend-theist trolls
^This.

>implying there are any actual Christians on 4chan and you're not just being trolled by atheists posing as Christians

>>3670242
As I said else-thread, when the trolls are being mostly reasonable in their arguments, I can learn by arguing against them.

Due to Poe's Law, it's hard to tell if they're trolls or not. Unlike you, I do believe there are women on the internet and Christians on the internet.

>>3670197
If anything, despite some violence like the Inquisition, Christianity has overall had the effect of pacifying men.

Example: The pagan Vikings raped and pillaged all over Europe. Once they became Christians, no more rape and pillage.

>>3670234
I always hear horseshit like this. I was an atheist when I was 12 years old, I haven't read or watched richard dawkins and I don't need to in order to be a dick to religious people.

>>3670261
Religion had it's time and place, it was great back then for unifying people under one belief and especially to stop us from going insane wondering where we came from/why we are here.

Religion isn't needed anymore, why are people believing this 2000 year old book over TODAYS scientists who actually know what the fuck they are talking about because they come to their conclusions through scientific method not "whats the easiest way i can control a bunch of people"

convert them.

agree vigorously that god exists, that his will defines the universe, that there is only one true god and that only god can judge us ... and then show them that god is physics (personified).

we couldn't exist without him. to know him is to love him. study science and be a scholar and a steward of his glorious universe.

>>3670306
Physics aren't a sentient omnipotent being.

>>3670326
god is physics plus humanism. god is physics with love for mankind.

he is omnipotent because 'he' is physics. he already knows everything that has happened and will happen, even if we don't.

>>3670362
Again i dont see where you are coming from, Physics are not a sentient omnipotent being.

They are a set of "laws" that govern how the universe works.

Quite possibly the most detrimental thing towards a secular society is the atheists who hate it when you talk about atheism.

Yeah I get it, there is a distinct line between circlejerking and common discussion, but too many times I see too many Atheists who have that "greater than thou commonshit peasant atheists" attitude.

That shit disturbs me.

>>3670433
This.

OP, be a communist. My soviet flag and my Communist manifesto is like garlic for a vampire with that kind of people.

Seriously when Jehova witness come at my door, at the second they see my flag or the book in my hand, they get the fuck out of my door and I don't need to say a word for that.

True story.

>>3670433

I hold these people directly responsible for any progress that evangelicals make towards their goal. We're the ones trying to stop them, meanwhile moderates, agnostics and self hating atheists are busy stabbing us in the back.

The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church.

>>3670433
Actually its the retard atheists who insist because they are atheists that everything they say is rational.

>>3670981
Nobody does pretends to be perfectly ration, and you know it. Although some of us try to become as rational as possible.

>>3671003
Look at people like the amazing atheist they believe everything they say is rational, and they try to pump it down everyone's throat, it is the same way with most atheists on /sci/.

US - OHMIGOSH WE ARE THE SALT OF THE EARTH WE ARE SO ELITE AND COOL

THEM - WE ARE SO MUCH MORE INTELLIGENCE THAN EVERYONE ELSE

Enjoy your elitism based on generalization and self-referential bias, OP.

>>3670405
>Implying any arbitrarily contrived and potentially observable methodologies actually dictate anything outside of our own interpretations.

Scientific knowledge is tentative.

>>3669912
>intelligent Christian

LMFAO, this is comedy gold!

>>3670981

Atheism is a position, not a philosophy. So unless you're including Buddhists and Confucians in that...

I think what you mean is; irreligious atheists also tend to doubt other claims about the supernatural. And doubting these things IS rational.

Go back to Reddit. If you were atheists like Neitzsche was an atheist who abhorred the actual morals of Christianity that would be fine but you hate Christianity and preach exactly what Christ does.

>>3671009
OK, I looked up this amazing atheist guy, and he's a dick. So? He doesn't pretend to be perfectly rational, he's just a dick. Moreover, the things he bitches about aren't general atheist viewpoints.

>>3669912
>Christian

Literally believes there is a magical man in the sky who grants wishes to good people.

By definition there is no such thing as an "intelligent Christian", it's like saying "intelligent retard".

>>3671057
>mfw I am a Christian who is both educated and intelligent

>>3669912
>intelligent Christian

>>3671068
>I am a Christian who is both educated and intelligent

ROTFLMFAO

>>3671067

>>3671068

>Christian

>believing an account of miracles written down by people who never saw them or even met anyone who saw them, which have been translated and transcribed dozens of times over almost two thousands years, which is not internally consistent, and which is not backed up by any other contemporary sources

>not believing in Sathya Sai Baba who lived in our times, whose miracles were witnessed by tens of thousands of people you can talk to right now

Maybe in a hundred years it will be more reasonable to believe in Sathya Sai Baba.

>>3671094
Yes, in the future it will be more accepted to believe in Sathya Sai Baba. There is no doubt about this.

In order to trick and fool people into believeing bullshit, you need "time" to distance the belivers from the "alleged source material".

Same exact shit happened with mormonism. It used to be so fucking laughable that it was banned for being to stupid, couple hundred years later it is a legit religion. Now the followers can claim ignorance cause "it all happened so long ago". Same shit with christianity.

>>3669912
>intelligent
>Christian

You can't have both son.