/sci/ - Science & Math

Brain-interface drugs and infinitely creative virtual realities.

>implying the purpose of existence is static and there is one defined goal for all of creation.

The universe is a sandbox. get your shovel and bucket and go play.

>>3052190
This is even more depressing. It's like it literally does not matter if you have a happy life or a sad existence...in the end it makes absolutely no impact on anything whatsoever.

figure out the energy delivered by a 500 kilogram mass dropped from various heights. That or think. Like think to the point where reality is irrelevant to any of your thoughts. answer the questions you asked in your post with your imagination, then brutally disagree with your imagination, and keep on going back and forth as necessary to lose track of time.

The fact that i'm too chicken to end my life means that time drags me kicking and screaming through each day, good or bad, whether i want to get through it or not.

>>3052195
My point is there are no goals that matter.

I push on so that i may (or future generations may, through my good word of course) impact the earth in a manner that sustains it for human race, and the current species that inhabit this wondrous
land
With our brains can't humans prevent the 6th massive extinction from reaching a massive scale? at least prolong until mother earth kicks our ass...
that's what i'm in it for

>>3052196
It's not "like." It is.

Things only happen because they *can* happen. Learn to enjoy that it was even possible for you to exist because eventually the universe will spread out infinitely ending in an eternity of nothingness.

>>3052201

Then you have discovered the existential curse of sentience? a star doesn't need to justify its existence, it simply is.

You simply have to do something nothing else in the universe must contend with. Find a reason not to slit your wrists.

A pessimist once said: "The point of life is to learn why it would have been better to not have been born in the first place.---or again--- "The goal of life is to learn to not want it."

Purpose is lacking. No one is denying that, or at any rate, denying it with success. The vanity of existence is overcome temporarily by keeping a healthy mind. Morbid preoccupations, habits, manners of living, etc. conduct to a morbid though-disposition, and eventually a despair at the pointlessness of it all.

This despair is particular to men, it will be observed. Because woman lives almost entirely in the present moment, she is for the greater part immune to that particular class of despair that afflicts thoughtful man, being as he is occupied with thoughts of the past and future.

Not a bad way to kill 30 minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7pwItrhEZo

>>3052187
ITT: Babby's First Nihilism

What is the point of playing any video game? After you finish doing the main and side quests there's nothing left to do.
Reality is much the same except the programming of the game is far simpler which interestingly leads to a far wider range of possibilities. Think of reality as a game with practically unlimited map space and no rules except physics.
Humanity will one day perish, it is likely. However you yourself acknowledge this is depressing and you imply you'd rather that this not happen. The reason why you, I, and life exists is because it can exist.

Reality is ultra-Minecraft. There is no real storyline, and for this very reason it is immensely interesting.

It is fairly possible we are just some simulation of beings we cannot comprehend. So lets screw the simulation up. Moon them all.

I always enjoy these threads. They're filled with physicists and engineers who either state

>NEENERNEENER I CAN'T HEAR YOU

or they think they will do something productive towards humanity.

Those who always have the big picture in mind but can work through on a day-to-day basis are the real champs.

>>3052231

Video games are only interesting because they are able to distract us from reality.

>>3052239
There is no heaven. It is up to recreate it here.

>>3052240
>try to be be a little deep, gets fucked up by sentence fuck-up
Derp

>It is up to us to recreate it here.

>>3052240

And yet the material of this world gives itself much more easily to creating a hell than to a heaven.

>>3052240
>>3052244
What is heaven? What is HAPPINESS? How can it be got?

>>3052245
Not for long.

Logically, life has no meaning. That's the end result of logic. We will all die, this will all end, there is no point in the end.

But why put so much concern in what's logical?

After all, we can find meaning, we can find purpose, we can cope with knowing the end with illogical thinking. Finding happiness in producing something, even though it'll vanish. Finding meaning in seeking truth, even though no one will know in the end. Being illogical brings us these.

>>3052254
I wish I could go back to before I realized it. But the cat's out of the bag, so to speak. I'm not sure if I can go back to the way things were.

>>3052248

WHAT IS HAPPINESS? THE FEELING THAT POWER INCREASES, THAT OUR EXISTENCE IS OVERCOME. NOT CONTENTMENT, BUT MORE POWER. NOT PEACE AT ALL, BUT WAR. NOT VIRTUE, BUT PROFICIENCY.

>>3052259
Rather than shunning the thought, embrace it. Embrace illogicality but don't leave behind logic completely. Balance the two. Understand that, even though something has no meaning, that doesn't mean it is pointless.

As we can simply create meaning.

But do not forget you have created it, as that leads to delusion. Do not forget underestimate your creation, as that leads to nihilism.

This is what it means to describe ourselves as Gods. Not to create objects, but to create meanings and purpose that rewrite that which nature has written.

>>3052187
Watch trainspotting. You need to stop caring about the greater picture and live in the moment. Let the heroine (endorphines in your mind) take you away. You may not be able to reason why you are happy but you as hell can be happy. Even though meeting aliens and traveling the universe as gods may have no actual purpose, it will make me feel amazing and so that's what keeps me going.

>>3052209
Because I'm going to die anyway. There's no point in killing myself now.

>nothing
>big bang
>universe happens
>big crunch
>nothing
>big bang
>new universe happens
>big crunch
>nothing

This cycle repeats forever. Your combination of adenine, cytosine, guanine, and thymine is what makes up your soul. In computer science terms, you are an object and your DNA (and physics) is what defines you as a person.

The universe cycles forever and you live through every possible life you could live. I hope you don't have trisomy-21.

>>3052277
>Big crunch

nope.jpg

>>3052277

double dubs.

must be true

>>3052274

Sounds like you're fine then. It's not within my or anyone's ability to find meaning for you. Sorry you're in a poopy mood today. Eat some chocolate and release that dopamine.

>>3052277
Outdated model is outdated.

Sorry bro, but our universe isn't crunching.

>>3052299

... you do realize that faith is a word that religious people use to troll you... right?

no such thing exists.

Pic very related

>>3052303

so what is it doing?

You should read Ecclesiastes OP, as it talks about this very thing.

also:
In a word, there are three things that last forever:Faith, hope, and love;But the greatest of them all is love.

>>3052307

>bible
>source of truth and knowledge
>mfw

>>3052306
heat death

feelscoldman

>>3052313
>implying the bible does not hold significant philosophical, cultural, and literary value despite one's belief on the subject of the judeo-christian faith

>>3052306
Expanding at a faster and faster rate.

So now the universe will live long enough to reach maximum entropy, and become an eternal sea of completely uniform mass/energy in it's simplest state.

>>3052195
Did you think of that yourself? If so fuck I am so stealing that from you now.

>>3052318

2nd. Law of thermodynamics.

The universse can't expand forever. Eventually the force of gravity will be stronger than the expansion.

Big crunch is inevitable

Heat death goes hand in hand with big crunch

>>3052317

>Implying the bible and its stories aren't blatant plagiarizations of ancient stories and that fairy tales are real.

Do you believe in pinnochio? Why not?
So why do you believe in jesus, a man as real as pinnochio?

>>3052323
That would be true if the rate of expansion of the universe weren't actually increasing.
However, that's exactly what it seems to be doing.

>>3052326

His point sailed clean over your head.

>>3052306


Observations lead us to hypothesize that the universe is continuously expanding at an accelerated rate.

pic related

>>3052323
>>3052329
And yes, the discrepancy that observe galactic motion has with the expected force of gravity from the mass we can tell is there has been the subject of a great many papers.

>>3052235

yeah too bad it feels like shit at the end of the day

There is no point, everything is objectively arbitrary.

You didn't have much fun in the sandbox as a kid, did you?

>>3052357

That's what getting wasted is for. You can force your brain to stop thinking entirely. Wake up and repeat.

>When work feels overwhelming, remember that you're going to die

And this helps how? You aren't going to die immediately so by neglecting your work you will still feel the negative affects of it. I'm probably not viewing it correctly.

YFW solipsism

>>3052381
>Your solipsism when Last Thursdayism

>yfw you realize EVERYTHING people do is a distraction from being alone with the mind and contemplating the universe, eventually coming to OP's conclusion that being human is insignificant and pointless

>>3052326
>implying you aren't a complete retard for believing Zeitgeist.

>Nothing. There is no point...to anything.
And that is the most beautiful thing about being human.
You live, and just by that you are one of the lucky ones. One of the numberless legion of possible humans, no, possible lifeforms, of which an infinite amount never even see life. Just by having a pulse you beat all the odds.

You die, as all things will, and you become one again with those beings who never were and never will be. You follow the best and worst human beings, and you precede all of existence.

Humanity will one day perish, for we are nothing but a blip on the Radar. We are nothing, insignificant. Simply by existing as a species we are defying a cold, uncaring universe. That universe, which encompasses all that ever was, is, and will be, has conspired against us, and we defy it, but our defiance is not eternal, but it is brief and it is infinite.

Nothing. There is no point to anything, and this is liberating. There is no higher purpose, no cosmic sense of justice, or right or wrong, of ought or ought not. We exist merely because our existence is possible, and as the oft quotes poem states:
"It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul."

We are all captains of our souls. Of our ambition, and of our lives, brief though they may be. Who among us finds this saddening, that we are free, truly free, in the cosmic sense? Who among those reading this would rather be in bondage to an eternal constant, or be chained by fate or destiny?

"If we crave some cosmic purpose, then let us find ourselves a worthy goal" ~ Carl Sagan.

>>3052394
Basically this. No matter how nihilistic you are, you won't give a shit while you're busy doing something.

>>3052415
>Just by having a pulse you beat all the odds.
That fact that you believe there is a "you" to beat the odds, proves that you don't really believe what you're saying.

>>3052455
I don't follow your logic, you're going to have to explain that to me.

>>3052415

So much faggotry.

ITT: People assume that death in an inevitability, and that this 'fact' invalidates all the good in life.

I don't know about you, but I intend to live forever.

>>3052482
Forever is impossible.
Hundreds of billions of years, maybe, with luck.
Shit happen.

>>3052482
Heat death.

>>3052491
Multiple universes?

>>3052491

With subjective time experienced through computer simulated realities, we have NI time to find a solution to heat death.

Or, find out if the multiple universe theory is true.

We can't predict how technology expands in 50 years, let alone 50 billion. And 50 billion doesn't bring us anywhere close to heat death.

I prefer to think of the impossible as merely the very difficult.

>>3052499
>implying universal transference

But that's just how it looks currently. While it is true that there are things that we do not yet know, and even things that we don't know we don't know, as it looks now, it is an inevitability. You did not live forever before you were born as "forever" in of itself is an unfulfillable condition. Probably.

>>3052499
It may not be possible to travel between them.
And even then, if you manage to perfect the ability to jump between different universes (Ignoring the fact that universe literally means "everything") quantum tunneling means that eventually, though the probability is so hilariously unlikely as to be impossible to express mathematically with our current understanding, a black hole is going to suddenly appear inside you, whatever form "you" may take.

Infinite time * nonzero possibility of something occurring = that thing occurring an infinite number of times.

In summary of the thread so far:

Things happen because they can.
Anything that can happen will.
Infinitely.

>>3052511
>Infinite time * nonzero possibility of something occurring = that thing occurring an infinite number of times.
Yeah, in other words, shit happen.

>>3052519
I don't think anyone is saying that, as we have yet to determine that the time we are working with is infinite.

>>3052482
>I don't know about you, but I intend to live forever.

Right on. Live forever or die trying.

>Forever is impossible.
>Heat death.

Science has historically been wrong about plenty of things we thought were impossible. Even if there's the slightest chance we might as well go for it.

Why do we all assume that the universe beyond what we can observe follows the same rules as the observable universe?

Also, why do we treat such things are the laws of thermodynamics as laws though they were made by humans and are entirely fallible?

>>3052525
Oh yes, we should definetely go for it. Even if we "only" manage to increase our average lifespan by... fuck, a YEAR, it is worth it, it is worth it to the billions, if not hundreds of billions of humans that will benefit, and the billions of hundreds of billions of years they will gain, and the unknowable amount of scientific achievement that will occur in that year, and maybe turn that one year into ten.

Impossible is not a discouragement, it is a challenge.

>>3052526
>thermodynamics
>made by humans and are entirely fallible?

Not fallible, probabilistic. There's a difference.

The trick of course is to solve the problem before it becomes a problem.

Find out what causes black holes to randomly appear inside of people, and find a way to prevent it before it actually happens. Again, with simulated perfect realities even on a small scale where we can experience more subjective time than in the real world, this would be trivial to accomplish.

And by trivial I mean only near-impossible.

But hell, we're all thermodynamic miracles anyways. May as well try to beat the odds twice.

It's certainly better than the alternative. And while we're on the subject of Enlisgh poets, as I noticed someone posting Invictus...

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rage at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

If death wants to take me or mine, he can damn well fight for it.

>>3052526
When observing anything, we make several assumptions. All of which basically boil down to assuming that the universe isn't trying to deceive us. Therefore, when we observe things in nature, we can infer patterns in them. We can predict other things, and we can use those predictions. That is the scientific method. I may as well ask you "Why do you assume that what you are seeing right now is really happening? How do you know we aren't a computer simulation?"

The answer is you really can't. You HAVE to assume some things, because the alternative, if true, doesn't really change anything. That is why we all assume that the laws of the observable universe are the same everything. And if they aren't and we discover that, we can change our model but until then, positing the question you posited is just meaningless intellectual circlejerking.

>>3052536
>genuinely thinks humans will one day to be able to do any of that shit

>>3052545

"Man, you're a fucking moron. Humans will never fly!"

"What are you smoking? The Moon? You think we'll go to the moon? Yeah right."

>>3052536
I agree with the sentiment, certainly, I just am not convinced by your science, hopeful and optimistic though it is.

>>3052549

Well obviously, as I said it's hard to predict scientific trends 50 years in the future let alone further. You can't "predict" fundamental breakthroughs.

But, history has clearly shown that most of the things that were once thought to be completely beyond human ability were most assuredly not, and it was really just a matter of time. I'm betting on that continuing to pan out.

>>3052545
>Thinks that he's funny because he can post reaction images and greentext.
Nothing has ever been accomplished by anybody with your attitude.

>>3052552
More power to you, I hope you're right.

>seems ntoweed
Captcha thinks I'm out of weed. It's ok captcha, there's still plenty left for you.

>>3052556

If you haven't watched it yet, I'd advise a quick look at De Grey's talk on Aging at TED:

http://www.ted.com/talks/aubrey_de_grey_says_we_can_avoid_aging.html

He gives very encouraging time estimates. We're already starting to see some rejuvenation in experiments on mice.

What is love?

>>3052574
Baby don't hurt me

isnt that like saying whats the point in having a universe?
it is here, deal with it, our soul purpose is to survive.
there is nothing more important to us then this goal.

>>3052599
>soul

GTFO YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER CUNT LICKING DICK SUCKER I HOPE YOU DIE STUPID THEIST FAG HAHA GO GET AN EDUCATION YOU STUPID FATHER FUCKLER YOUR PROBABLY A DUMB AMERICUNT GET A LOAD OF THIS YOU GUYS I HOPE HGE DIES A TERRIBLE PAINFUL DEATH ENJOY NOT GOING TO HEVEN FAGGOT!!!!

>>3052599
GO BACK TO /B/ NOBODY WANTS YOU HEAR YOU STUPID CUNT YOU ARE THAT CANCER THAT IS KILLING /SCI/ GO HAVE A WANK WITH YOUR PRIEST YOU HOMO FAG AND BURN IN DEATH YOU DEAD CUNT I'LL KICK THE SHIT OUT OF YOU

>>3052599
YOUR A STUPID MOTHER FUCKER CARL SAGAN COULD BEAT YOU IN A FIGHT DONT EVER SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT SCIENCE OR ILL THROW YOU OFF A BUILDING!!! GO TO YOUR CHURCH THATS WERE YOU ARE WANTED TO HAVE A BIG I AM STUPID CONTEST AND YOULL PROBABLY BEAT ALL THE OTHERS

>>3052599
WHY DONT YOU LEARN SOME SCIENCE INSTEAD OF BEING A DUMB IGNORANT THIEST MOTHRFUCKER SUICKING ON GODS DICK ALL DAY SAYING "MM YUM NICE DICK"

>>3052599

This explanation is for the weak-minded individual who doesn't realize humans will all eventually cease to exist and our knowledge and culture will cease to exist alongside us.

>>3052599
DIE IN A FIRE YOU STUPID MOTHER FUCKING DUMB GOD SUCKER

>>3052599
GET A LOUD OF THIS DUMB MOTHERFUCK LEAVE ALREADY OR MY SCI BROS WILL GET YOU KILLED STUPID CUNT

>>3052599
WHY DONT YOU LEARN SOME STUFF INSTEAD OF JUST PLAYING THE BIBLE ALL DAY YOU PROBABLY PLAY IT ON TAPE INSTEAD OF READ IT DUMB FUCKER

>>3052599
WHAT'S THE MATTER YOU HAVE NO EDUCATION WHY ARE YOU EVEN HEAR WHEN YOU CANT READ YOU JUST GUESSED THE WEBSITE ROBABLY LMAO DUMB CUNT

>>3052599
>our soul purpose

I think you mean "sole," as in being singular.

>>3052599
WHATS WRONG GOD A GOD DICK IN YOUR THROAT?

>>3052668
lol yeah what a stupid fucker religion should be ban

>>3052599
GO CHOKE ON A DICK GOD BOY

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>>3052599
HEY EVERYONE REPORT THIS POST SO HE CAN BE BANNED

>>3052686
looks more like a massive samefag

>>3052695
Of course it's a samefag you thick twat. A very mad, prebuscent samefag.

>>3052599
HI im the guy that posted this
apparently the samefag thats reposting dosnt understand
what a figure of speech is

>>3052720
It's not a figure of speech. It's 'sole' purpose, not 'soul' purpose.

This is for you OP. Stop being a melodramatic cunt.

>>3052782
Do you have any empirical data to back up your claim?

>>3052747
so this is what /sci/ has come down to? yelling and samefaging cuz of 1 mispelling ?

>>3052803
Nice trying to backpedal dumb relgion fag haha. i'm reporting all your posts

>spring into existence
>enjoy the living shit out of the time you have
>strive to live longer, experiencing more awesome shit
>keep learning, exploring. It's fun
>keep enjoying the shit out of life
>die, slip into eternal nothingness
>everything went better than expected

>>3052879
lol

OP here, surprised the thread has survived until morning, despite being hijacked -_-'

A few thinigs:

1. I was having a philosophical dilemma, not a scientific one. I understand heat death, the possibility of life extension, etc.

2. My point was that even if we achieve immortality in the absolute sense,that is, the theoretical situation where all live in the universe merges into one super-sentient being, and then, using the godlike intelligence available to us, be able to escape heat death by some unknown means (by halting the process or traveling to another dimension, or creating a "bubble" and creating our own, new universe, etc.). But again, whether it can be done or not, I was just conjecturing.

3. And in response to >>3052275 :
You've basically hit the heart of what I was trying to get at. We humans have the ability to feel amazing and to have fun, to do extraordinary things, but we also feel the crushing insignificance of our existence. If a being were to come about that had not one, but billions of consciences within it (let's just say), it would have billions of times the capacity to be happy and do extraordinary things...but wouldn't it also have billions of times the capacity to feel the burden of existence with no meaning? Wouldn't it actually be WORSE for that being than it is for us?

>>3053691
And by the way, the reason I keep using the "merging consciences" example is not necessarily because I think that's what will happen...it's one minute possibility among many, many, many possible outcomes. I chose that example because it's the most extreme end I could think of, the one where humankind reached its absolute peak, its highest zenith (any end that has us reach infinite knowledge and infinite power suffices for the point I'm making).

Listen. What do you feel like doing? Do it. Grab an iPod or another mp3 player, don't care about your choice, and go for a walk. Buy something. Smoke a joint. Drink alcohol. Just don't do anything that gets you depressed. tl;dr, Do whatever the fuck you want.

>>3053718
Well, that's what I do when I feel like Op does.

Your face when you realise carbon based forms of life will inevitably tend towards becoming one giant tumor, immortality is pointless in a human shell.

>>3052803
>mispelling

take two!

Life is like minecraft. You work irrationally hard to construct an entirely pointless world, and then you're proud of it.

>>3053858

Pretty much this.

Best way to go is set yourself a goal and figure out how to overcome any obstacles

Humans enjoy challenges. The worst thing existentially for us is boredom and apathy.

You are correct that there is no point to anything and no deep meaning or anything like that.

If this is a problem perhaps you should consider becoming a christian or islamic or something.

bump for life's hidden secrets

>>3052187
You were only given the opportunity to experience all of this because countless others had to die without anywhere near your level of opportunity (in other words, they died in their 20s so you could live until 70)

Don't thank Jesus for dying for us. Thank millions of humans and other species throughout natural history.

>>3054454
Sadly, you can't thank those people and creatures for what they unknowingly did for you. The best thing is to do exactly what they did. For the future! (whatever that involves)

Life has no point. I have a few main goals: Listen to a lot of music, develop a taste for fine whiskey, learn to run Linux, and keep up with current scientific discoveries.

>What gets you through days like I'm having, /sci/?
Coffee.

>>3052525
But you always will die trying...