/sci/ - Science & Math

OP is a moron and doesn't realize Hawking is invoking the Anthropic Principle. Hawking never came up with this idea, his book doesn't bring anything new to the field, it's just discussing his current viewpoint.

None of the popular news sites bothered to mention the Anthropic Principle, and now we have millions of morons like you quoting Hawking out of context.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle

No he hasn't, he knows the truth. You're the one who's batshit insane. I came up with this a few weeks before Hawkins, knowing he already knew. I wanted to spread his message, the one he was forced, from people like you, not to say.

Time = God.
Christianity knew this before science, this is what they taught 2000 years ago. The symbol of Christians tells the story. You're just mad and suppressive.

Time = God.

>"Over time, gravity created the big bang,"

>Over time

Without time there is no gravity.

You don't understand "time" if you're a scientist.
I'm a Jesuit, I understand time? What now?
I prove God (time) exists daily, !over time!.

You're mad cause us Jesuits know the universe and you don't./

His book doesn't even come out for two more days and people are already saying it makes no sense.

Welcome to America baby.

>fucking gimp retard in a wheelchair
>take him seriously

>>1707242
But the anthropic principle doesn't explain why the universe is so fine-tuned for life. Hawking is using his understanding modern physics to expand the anthropic principle from "Why is the Earth so friendly to life?" to "Why do the laws of the Universe so precisely allow life to develop?". This has been attempted before with cosmic Darwinism etc, but it usually isn't explained very well. Chances are Hawking will do it best.

Here.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/julian-baggini-if-science-has-not-actually-killed-god-it-h
as-rendered-him-unrecognisable-2070125.html
I loved the opening.
>In an age when even some bishops are near atheists, "man doesn't believe in God" is hardly headline news.
It is worth reading, the author (Julian Baggini) actually understands what he is talking about which is rare in the media coverage I have seen.

>>1707247
You forgot to take your pills again.

>>1707260

> But the anthropic principle doesn't explain why the universe is so fine-tuned for life.

That is exactly what it tries to do. I isn't just talking about Earth.

>>1707251
I'll give you a 1/10 for being predictable

>>1707260
You haven't provided any Jesuit-Evidence; your argument is invalid.

>>1707233
>The symbol of Christians tells the story.
>Cross in the name field

Are... are you saying it's a T for "Time"?

Hawking-
>"there is no God! No God would do this to me! It's physics, and shit appearing out of fucking nowhere!

>>1707265
Yeah, I'm just saying that it hasn't done it very convincingly yet. Black holes giving birth to new universes doesn't sound as convincing as some beep-boop M-theory quantum shit. I'll wait till his book comes out to make a final judgement though.

>>1707274

>some beep-boop M-theory quantum shit
>I'll wait till his book comes out to make a final judgement though
> make a final judgement though
> make a final judgement though
> make a final judgement though

>>1707287
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_judgement

See what I did there?

>>1707291
No. And neither do you

>>1707260
universe isn't fine tuned for life, it really isn't. living creatures can only survive in very, very, very few places, the tiniest fraction of the universe.
I thought at least on sci board there wouldn't be these idiots.

>>1707307
I'll just give you a Dawkins video, he explains what I'm talking about much better than I do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlD-CJPGt1A

This is such a troll thread.
I mean, like, such a troll thread.
Oh my god, it's like, totally a troll thread.
So you're like totally posting in a troll thread.

>>1707313
I don't see how this disagrees with my point...

>>1707313
I probably should have made myself clearer, I mean for humans specifically, as people seem to think humans are particularly great but we're not really.

>>1707272
use your brain

If you still care about debating about theism you are the generic science student who will do anything he can to protect the sanctity of science (even where it is not under any threat), not out of reason, but out of his own emotional attachment to his feelings of superiority.

>>1707396
/thread

>>1707396
But you're here debating the relevance of debating theism, so that you can feel superior to the people who do.

>>1707247
>Time = God

I think you're confusing little yahweh with Chronos

And what exactly is YHWH?

"THE ALPHA AND OMEGA"

>>1707463
lolno, aether

according to christianity he is, but he started out as a minor pagan deity.

Time god: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronos
Jew god: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

Are you supplying me with your cretin Jew evidence? (yes I know it was your kind that killed Jesus) Why did you wanna teach so bad? Or should I say, control, why did you want to Control so bad?
>>1707499

>>1707463
you need to play more fallout3

>>1707529
wat

How am I a jew if you're the one worshiping the jew god?

jesus was a jew and so are you

Chronos is the god of time, yahweh is the kike god of Israel

Chronos > yahweh

>what Jesus says
>>1707564

lol sigh.

tl; dr gravity is a negative value which cancels out mass.
the universe is an equation set to zero, "existing" is the expanded/factored version produced by a random fluctuation in the vacuum.

the bulk includes time, so from a "certain point of view" it's uncaused and static.

meaning, no god necessary. if any of you actually read his books, you'd know this.

>Jesus was a Jew.

Are you a mental case?
Jesus was not a Jew, Jesus was a Jesuit. (Jesus was Human), Jesus didn't believe in God, Jesus believed in Life.

>>1707575
yahweh never got his nuts cut off tho amirite lololz

>>1707606
you are my favorite troll, aether

>>1707608
Chronos and Cronus are two different gods

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cronus

Believing in fairy-tales automatically makes you a retard. It's poison given by the Jewish to the believers in Life. They edited the Jesuit (Human) bible to better their ways.

Jewish killed Jesuits time and time again, because they are Master Race, when they're not, they're CUNT race. I hate Jewish (real ones). There was never a God, just time, and life.

>>1707637
aether is an atheist?

Aether is a Jesuit. I believe in Jesus's teachings. I believe in eternal life, for humanity and mother nature.
>>1707645

>>1707654
you said "there was never a god"

that makes you an atheist

If there is no God why has he outlived his two year life expectancy when his disease was diagnosed
That in itself is a miracle
You'd think his lungs would have collapsed by now

No, that means I don't believe in Fairy-Tale Gods, like the one you believe in.

There never was a God, just time. Time is the 'God', of the universe, and time is time, not God. So yes... God exists, except God is just called "time."

Time is the God in the bible.
Time is the Holy Spirit.
Nature is the mother, (came from COLD)
Heat is the father, (is HOT)


>>1707661

>>1707670
nigger, atheists believe in time. If "God" is "time" then atheists are just as much theists as you are.

also you're confusing little yahweh with Chronos again

Atheists don't believe that time is God.
Atheists believe [I am A] human.
"a human" is not the same as human.
If you're "a human", then you can fuck off.
If you're human, then you're part of humanity and I love you lots.
I'm a Jesuit, as in I follow Jesus's teachings, not the teachings given by 'a humans'.

And I do believe in God, just a real-life God.

I'm pretty sure he'll die in a couple of years
God probably thinks he's an ungrateful bastard now

When you read the bible fully, at the end of all the events, you must think... "Wow, that was a ~long~ journey," that's because it's telling the times, it's in God (times) own words. We're obviously in Revelations at the moment. Exodus explains immigration. Genesis explains creation of the universe (opposites). Shit, I don't understand how Christians didn't realize this right away... Must be all that Church that goes on.

If you are the result of time, matter, and chance; then, everything you do is not because you yourself are doing but because of chance. What you think is just chance. How can you trust your own brain if it the result of random happenings. Science is based on the acceptance of sensory perceptions and abandoning of feelings. What makes this initial assumption logical? There is no longer any absolute truth if it is the case. Truth is just what it is to you due to random chance.

>>1707679
>atheists believe in time
uhhh....wut...we have evidence for time

>If "God" is "time
no need, we already have a word for time

Shit nigger what are you doing,

God doesn't think. If time is God, which time is, then time CONTROLS, is ALL KNOWING (Doesnt need to think). We are the ones that think. Time knows if I stab myself, I will bleed. Time knows if a nuclear bomb hits the ground, it will do lots of damage. Time knows if a meteor hit earth, it will do lots of damage.

>>1707711
exactly. derp.

>>1707713
Dude can I buy an ounce of the shit you're smoking?

The thing is though,
Time chose the laws,
Time chose gravity,
Time chose to create life.

In all the events in the bible. "And God(time) Said," it was time choosing what would exist.

So time obviously can choose, which brings lots of questions. If we're in times image.

Time is an Artist.
Time is Creative.
Time is Good.
These are 100%

go tell it to timecube

>>1707713
the ancient greeks thought of this, and they called Time/what you call "God", Chronos.

why are you trying to say that time/Chronos is the god of the bible?

stop niggering and admit you're talking about Chronos

>>1707735
No. I know that time is the God in the bible. The first words are, "First God created the heaven and earth" (this is in English). It does not say, "First, God, was five foot five, brown hair blue eyes. He was wearing a red baseball cap eating a snickers and some skittles. Then he decided to create heaven and earth," it doesn't say that. So why all of a sudden is this "God" something other than an element in life. The only thing that makes you interpret it like that is education and the dictionary.

You must admit, I am a smart one.

>>1707233

He should say that there are forces inherent in the SINGULARITY (which is not nothing it is something) that necessitate the evolution of the universe.

There is always something (either full universe or compact singularity) and how they get expressed is determined by some subtle law...

it isn't out of nothing.

and it isn't out of nothing via Magic Man.

>>1707751
Why base your beliefs on the bible? Why not take Hindu beliefs and say Brahma is "time"? Or better yet, go with the ancient Greek beliefs, which at least spoke of a god like what you're trying to twist the god of the bible into being. Also I never said gods are anthropomorphic.

SAAAAAAGEEEEEEE!

Not all holy books revolve around God or the image of God. Some of them promote emotions and spirituality, which is fine it's promoting peace; of self, of mind, of humanity. All holy books derive from Africa, the source of all the worlds religions, and religion has undergone change. As a Jesuit, my objective is to unite all of them, as enlighten them with the truth. I am the anti-christ depicted in the bible, along with many others in the world. As Jesuits we know the truth and we should spread it for humanity. All religions were aiming towards the same cause, except dictators, athiests, jews and other faggots prevented the true message of religion from spreading. We've seperated from our main aim and become enemies with indifference, and this was NOT the aim. Jesus was the first teacher, Jesus created the message. The message spiralled out of control. I'ma fix it.
>>1707777

>>1707798
Jesus is pretty much a copycat of Dionysus/Osiris

They probably all mean the same person.

Jesus (if that was his name) was the human that was the first teacher. Was killed by a group of Jews because they wanted to be worshipped and they wanted to control. Jesus did it for free, for love. Jews did it for power, for control.
>>1707805

Not a single day goes by.
The planet just rotates and we've always been in the present.
So essentially Jesus was killed, in the present. The literal times Jesus died, is the present time, right now. Those who don't care should be crucifed.

>>1707816
except there were stories about Dionysus' life on Earth long before Jesus was born, and Dionysus was never said to be in the areas Jesus was in. Same with Osiris, except there weren't stories about Osiris going around on earth trolling people like Dionysus and Jesus did.

>>1707816
>>1707833

4/10

You're beating a dead horse, man. You lost your vitality a few posts back.

>>1707835
Well maybe it was not the same person.
Doesn't change anything really.

Dionysus is pretty chill

http://www.themystica.com/mythical-folk/articles/dionysus.html

It's nice and creative, however it's translated. So once again it could be scientific, or it's just a story/irrational belief.
>>1707900

>>1707713
WAITWAITWAITWAITWAIT

I really hope you're not implying time can actually do ANYTHING. Because time doesn't actually exist, it's just a concept we've developed to better describe how everything moves through the 4th dimension. If you are implying that an abstract concept can do anything, then...
>>1707761
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hawking is a fucking sellout anyway; he's British but speaks with an American accent.

I think Hawking's statement is a bit stupid. I'd like to hear how he observed gravity making something from nothing.

Desperate suppression.
>>1707994

Without the 'essense of time', gravity wouldn't exist.

Gravity induces, by existing, "time". So without the ability to 'spin' or 'pull' or generate 'motion', what is gravity? nothing. With 'spin', 'motion' and 'pull', gravity induces time. Therefore, time does exist.

You are not a Jesuit, you are a dumb scientist, your immediately invalid.

Brilliant.
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>>1707242
I don't get it. You say Hawking is invoking the Anthropic Principle when he says what OP has in quotes. Do you mean he is making fun of the Principle or of people looking for a creation event? Or that he's falling into the anthropic principle himself?

How does it feel /sci/?
All that supposedly 'trolling' I did before. Then Professor Steven Hawkins makes a book that agrees with everything I said.... You must feel pretty horrid. I'm on league with some of the smartest men in the world. Einstien, Hawkins, Da vinchi, Jesus, you name it.

I really want to thank someone. I can't, I was asked not to mention it. However, if I just say "thanks" to the person, who I can not mention, and that I love you, I'll feel I accomplished what I needed to do.

>>1708027
What? What are you talking about?

Gravitons move through the 4th dimension like the rest of us. Like, you know, EVERYTHING. By no means do they 'induce time'.

'Essense of time'. What do you think this is, Final Fantasy?

>>1708054
You're on league with my GAY, DEAD UNCLE.

>>1708067
>>1708067

You haven't given me any Jesuit-Evidence. Only your nonsese science bullshit. You have LAWS, I don't, I have BRAIN.

You talk about science,
I talk about reality,

P! = NP

Therefore: Motion, Spin and Pull mean more than your science bullshit.

Without time. Gravity would not exist. Without SPIN MOTION and PULLING POWER what the fuck is gravity? (nothing)

aether I think of myself as "human" but also as "a human".

But I dont believe in this time/heat/cold/nature crap.

Do you love or hate me?
Or do you feel indifferent about me?

AHAHAHAHA IT'S COMPUTER CODE.

WISDOM - TIME
COURAGE - MOTION
POWER - PULL

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

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I don't hate anyone.
You are a human in humanity.
If you believe that then you're not an atheist.
And if you believe that you should care for humanity and do your best to help everyone.
You don't NEED to be a Jesuit to be human, but being one helps unite religion, science and the world as one.
>>1708085

the anthropic principle has little to do with the actual physics, it's just nice little point about how if we're here to see the universe then we shouldn't be surprised to find that the bit of the universe we're in is such that it makes our existence possible

it's not like only humans could work out physics, if there were aliens in another part of the universe they might well have a different interpretation of the physics but if we could compare it'd all show the same shit at work, because the physics is the same (don't give me any shit about loal fluctuations in shit, the proper physics includes the fluctuations)

>>1708080
>>Haha, reason and logic? POPPYCOCK!!!
This post doesn't even deserve a real response.

>>1708094
Ran out of trolling material?

>>1708080
omg dude shut the hell up

Hey nice trolling faggot.
You're a scientist... lol

Pic related,
>what Jesus says
>>1708108

Why do you think science quickly devised a 'stupid' (literally stupid) plan to suppress this way of thought?

----> Pseudoscience <----

LOL! umadcuzimstylinonu.jpg

We can no longer keep it secret. It needs to be out there, it's getting to late to save the world, we destroy it every second.

"Let them find out themselves"
"I know, 2dimensional intelligence :)"
-Quotes from a while back.

It's now the time to teach people. It needs to be told before the world is destroyed. FACT.

>>1708127

I actually raged at that. Fine job

>>1708151
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaha
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaha

I'd just like to thank my audience for tonight. You've been great. If you would like to be taught more about the world and how it works, please stick around! I'm always about!

I blame routine infant kirkumkision.

Jesus loved you.
:'(

You still haven't taken your pills, attention whore.

>>1708238
umad truth-suppressor

>>1708245
>implying u mad

Invalid Picture!
>>1708264

I'm educated in truth.
You're educated in lies.

You look up to Hawkins, then suddenly he comes out with the truth (which agrees with me) and you think he's nuts.

Just admit it, you're all butthurt and I am truly a better scientist then all of you. YOU MAY, call me Sion, Aether or MASTER SION AETHER, whatever you want.

>>1708278
whatever ronery troll

>>1708278
I think I'll call you assmonkey. Anyone wanting to join me is welcome.

ASSMONKEY

>>1708100
I want to help humanity, but I also dont believe in (a) God(s). I dont want to be a jesuits because I think it is ridiculous, but I do my best to help humanity.

sup Aether

just reminding you again that Chronos > yahweh

jesuit's are secretive fanatics that care little of human life and only care for god's teachings and following them strictly to the letter (stoning someone for blasphemy)

>>1708300

Then you're not an Atheist, you're human. You have not 'belief' tag line. You don't say, "I'm Dave and I'm an Athiest," you say, "I'm Dave, I'm Human,"

All Jesuits do is promote peace and try to save nature. Whilst promoting eternal life for humanity and the idea of God!

I'm a Jesuit, until the name is no longer needed. Meaning I spread the true message of God and Jesus. (the ones educators suppress hard)

>>1708341
If he is atheist and is someone who wants to help humanit then he is a humanist atheist or a secular humanist. Are you really that fucking dump?

>>1708348
But you think homosexuality is wrong, although it is just natural (human).
That's why I think you are wrong. Also you are a fanatic who thinks only he is right. You are narrow minded. Not like me. I am human and not a fanatic.

I love God, I dream of touching his naked cold dead chest in a tomb almost every night. A thing you atheists will never understand or appreciate.

>>1708375
Atheism is misinterpreted. It means you believe in the letter A, (one, oneism, whatever). There are no 'a's in genesis.1, which explains opposite creation. If you are an atheist you believe that 'a' day occurs and that your current life and how you live it is more important that humanity's eternal life.

If you want to help humanity,
why be 'a human'
and not just 'human'?

>>1708348
>"I'm a Jesuit, until the name is no longer needed. Meaning I spread the true message of God and Jesus. (the ones educators suppress hard)"
Dude, you must be seriously high now.

Then you are a pantheist. Congrats.

>>1708385
Unbelivable, you fail hard in understanding what atheism, humanism and secularism means.
Atheism mean not beliving in god, no matter one, that doesn't means he consider himself more important then the others.

jesuit's are nothing but psychopaths of christianity justifying their evil actions for the greater good

they are the biggest hypocrites

I was wandered why this stupid religious people are stupid religious people, I mean, it's not hard to think.

>>1708420
you said it all, brother, totally agree.

I'm going to leave this thread now. It's been infected with what us Jesuits call, "cancer,".

>>1708468
STFU imposter

>>1708468
so the thread is infected by jesuits?

>>1707233
Todays theme: find the smartest person in the world and argue with them!

Picture related.