/sci/ - Science & Math

>Science is le good when it fits my agenda but is le bad most of the time
You're on the wrong side of history, btw.

>>15966271
>You're on the wrong side of history,
>Tell me you're a redditfag without telling me you're a redditfag

>>15966241
nutrition and soft sciences are fake

>>15966271
>>>/pol/

>>15966241
That steak looks like Big Poppa Trump

>>15966241
yeah and 5km by care is 1 pizza and throwing stones from a bridge on the highway fgenerates an value of 2 million dollas per hit.

Hilariously Ancel Keys actually plagiarised the cholesterol hypothesis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyzkv5uFGt8

Veganism is the way

>>15968415
He also hid the outcomes of the Minnesota Coronary Experiment for 40 years, which directly contradicted his hypothesis. And as we all know his seven countries study was also complete bs.
He's probably done more than anyone else in history to massively sabotage public health.
Up there with Lysenko, WJ Bailey, Watts and Freeman.
Millions of people are dead or chronically ill, ultimately in large part because of him.
At least the things learned from Mengeles experiments, for all their horror and injustice, were ultimately used for bettering peoples lives.

>>15968432
Enjoy your brain damage, weak bones, stunted growth and infertility

>>15968463
Don't forget the McGovern dietary recommendations

>>15968463
Who do you think killed more, Lysenko or Keys?

>>15968466
I'm stronger and more macho than you. My intellect is superior. Your beliefs about veganism are delusional

>>15968701
>Your beliefs about veganism are delusional
peak delusion

>>15968734
My genetics are also superior to yours, it must suck to be you

>>15968864
More vegan brain damage delusions, how sad.

>>15968894
I'll damage your brain in a fistfight, chump

>>15968960

>>15968432
>>15966241
when will you retards realize neither carnivory nor veganism is ideal
humans are cyclical omnivores, we are supposed to have periods of veganism and periods of hypercarnivory

Back in 1971, more than half a century ago, President Richard Nixon declared "the war on cancer". In the subsequent decades trillions of dollars have been completely wasted on research that has gone nowhere and done nothing whatsoever to to prevent cancer, which is still the #2 leading cause of death after heart disease.
Science finally picked up a clue figuring out that steaks are good anti cancer medicine here and it seems like most of the people who claim to love science are thoroughly pissed off about this news.
>noooooo!!!!
>you can't just learn that steaks cure cancer!!!
>this is terrible news because…because it just is OK!!!! REEEEEEEE!!!!!!

>>15969485
>periods of veganism
so... does starving in winter count as veganism?

>>15970005
probably means gorging on ripe fruit in the autumn
definitely helps pack on extra fat to survive winter

Anons, little self experimentation I'm puzzled by
for each of the past three days I've only eaten a single meal of about 300g of quite fatty beef mincedmeat but I haven't felt hungry.
Why is this?

>>15970943
Do it for a few more months and then go to the doctor and have them do blood work to determine what nutrients you're deficient in.

>>15966241
thats a great looking steak

>>15968701

can trans-vaccenic acid be synthesized

>Red meat causes cancer
It's so over
>Nutrient found in beef and dairy improves immune response to cancer
We're so back!
>Cooking meat creates AGEs and thereby gives you cell damage, cancer and ages you
It's so over carnicuck bros

>>15971396
>very pale
>no marbling

>>15973492
you can't post a better looking steak

>>15966241
You already made this thread.

>>15968432
Okay stay vegan. No one cares.

>>15968521
both of them were toxic vermin, which is unfortunately par for the course with scientist. they're almost always either worthless do-nothings or maliciously harmful.

>>15975491
And that overwhelming majority justifies their existence by awarding themselves credit for the actions of the vanishingly small minority who are legitimately productive. Even the guy in picrel had only one success in his career. All of his work after 1930 or so was just a big waste of time and resources

>>15976746
Imagine how wildly popular and well known he'd have become if he were jewish

>>15977382
instead almost nobody even knows who he is even though he is arguably the most important scientist of all time.

how do you like your anti cancer preventative medicine done? when is my healthcare going to start buying me steaks?

>>15980081
>The billions in subsidies aren't enough
Fuck off, welfare queen.

>>15980081
they'd be doing everyone a big favor if they stopped covering circumcision and tranny surgery and started giving people free prescription strength steaks instead

>>15968432
Ok retard.

https://files.catbox.moe/l4imx0.mp4

>>15980885
lol, excellent video

>>15982299
thanks, I posted it

>>15980885
Decent speech but
>Toilet Paper USA
controlled opposition group

>>15968432
...to harm your health.

Heres a giraffe eating an antelope. Even giraffes know that eating meat is important.

>>15980783
> prescription strength steaks

>>15968466
Source?

>>15985186
that was a buffalo

>>15966241
>trans-vaccenic acid
Trans fats are bad.

>>15968466

Even assuming that this is true, there are far more and far worse issues associated with carnifaggotry.

>>15987172
Such as?

>>15987175

Obesity, parasites, gout.

>>15987177
A carnivore diet doesn't cause obesity. A Dominos meat lover's pizza is not carnivore.

>>15987180

Here comes the qualifier chain: "by meat I actually mean an extremely specific thing that ultimately amounts to an ahistorical diet indistinguishable from the supplements that vegans supposedly take".

>>15987181
It's not that specific, just things like steaks. I have never seen anyone gain weight on a carnivore diet or a high meat keto diet, it's all people who eat a lot of meat but that meat comes in the form of hamburgers with a large side of fries and coke.

>>15987182

My point being that this diet is: a) an aberration, b) a sham (note how Inuits, for example, are never brought up by carnigrifters, since they are notoriously "unhealthy").

>>15987172

>>15987190
What are you talking about? inuit groups report significant improvement in their health after returning to their ancestral seal based diet

>>15987181
>the supplements that vegans supposedly take".
the living ones do

>>15987172
>carnifaggotry.
If you survive, in a few years time you are going to look back and cringe really hard at your current self.

Hi, if I wanted to go into ketosis to treat my epilepsy what would be the best way to achieve this on a plant based diet and not be deficient in other essential nutrients without other additional supplements?

>>15988092
>>15988122
>>15988124
>>15988126

Historically, "meat" meant something akin to modern pet food, probably even worse in most cases.

>>15966241
why that piece of meat looks like fucking TRUMP

>>15988626
What a weird reply

>>15988131
>a plant based diet and not be deficient in other essential nutrients without other additional supplements
fundamentally impossible

>>15989873
This even the animals that soience ridiculously labels as "herbivores" all eat meat whenever they get the chance to

>>15990952
No, this argument is somewhat weak and ill informed

>>15990959
no it isn't

>>15990952
deer eating a rabbit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWvQfGXO6rI
elephant eating fish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WEuDFjDdU4
cow eating a snake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMmUHXiB4ak

>>15968415
>Hilariously Ancel Keys actually plagiarised the cholesterol hypothesis
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyzkv5uFGt8 [Open]
>>15968463
>He also hid the outcomes of the Minnesota Coronary Experiment for 40 years, which directly contradicted his hypothesis. And as we all know his seven countries study was also complete bs.
>He's probably done more than anyone else in history to massively sabotage public health.
>Up there with Lysenko, WJ Bailey, Watts and Freeman.
>Millions of people are dead or chronically ill, ultimately in large part because of him.
>At least the things learned from Mengeles experiments, for all their horror and injustice, were ultimately used for bettering peoples lives.
>>15968487
>Don't forget the McGovern dietary recommendations
spooky
it is interesting the lenghts some humans will go just to try to look morally superior

>>15968463
I remember seeing some popsci garbage over a decade ago that was theorizing about why the French eat a rich diet full of meat and dairy products, but don't get a lot of heart disease or cancer. None of the theories proposed included the possibility that meat and dairy products are good for you.

>>15990952
>>15992793

And? Carnivores likewise occasionally eat plants.

>>15993384
This is a Barkon thread

>>15968415
>>15992837
What are some good books on the whole history of how nutrition got so messed up.
I know of Gary Taubes, Nina Ticholz, and Tim Noakes books. but what are others to read?

>>15993392
actually a reading list would be great, I know /sci/ used to make lots of these for other topics but i've not seen one in a while

what books do anons recommend then we could make one

>>15993395
The first thing you need to read when interpreting media is The Protocols of the Elders of Zion

>>15993395
nutrition and physical degeneration by weston a price is a classic

>>15971012
Nothing will be wrong with him as long as the cows are not somehow defective. How do you think apex predators exist? We're one of them.
But then again, it comes down to individual enzyme profile, and if you're the descendant of peasant slaves bred to run on heated grain powder, you might have trouble metabolizing meat fully.

>>15992837
Who really was this John Gofman fellow and did Ancel Keyes steal his research while completely misunderstanding it and more importantly how was Keys then able to leverage his misunderstanding of Gofman's research into the thousand headed hydra of the modern nutrition industry?

Why did this happen? How common is it across different fields where a person is able to leverage their bad understanding of some scientific study to accrue financial and political power while remaining so at odds with actual reality?

>>15966241
>Nutrients needed to be healthy help with disease
Wow.

/sci/ Is it true that the american heart association was founded by the inventors of crisco?

>>15993774
if the advice they pass out isn't done maliciously then they're extremely stupid. not sure which is worse

>>15968466
also cancer

What are good sources of DHA and EPA?

I love the work this Fettke guy is doing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e1hoIFzn4Y

Why is science so fucked?

>>15996742
>Why is science so fucked?
Because academia attracts useless toxic morons who have no desire or ability to add anything to civilization

>>15966241
Good news, think I'll have steak for dinner again

>>15999099
it stops being a "vegan restaurant" if it serves meat

>>15966465
>Tell me you're an X without telling me you're an X.
STOP USING TWITTER ZOOMSPEAK ON 4CHAN.

>>16000425
>i'm a woman with a penis
>i'm a vegan restaurant that serves meat
>i'm a scientists who disregards the scientific method
this is what atheists actually believe

How do I make jerky?

>>15968463
>He's probably done more than anyone else in history to massively sabotage public health.
there is extreme competition in this area

>>16003557
And Keys is right out in the front runners.
Impressive isn't it.

>>15966241
durrrr how to extract and put inside cardboard sludge durrrrr

>>15966465
god she's so fucking hot. name?

>>15966241
doesn't CLA also have cancer fighting properties?

>>15966241
>Nutrient found in beef and dairy improves immune response to cancer
Lol no it doesn't. Red meat is one of the strongest cancer risks there is.

>>16005500
Oh, okay. Thanks for clearing that up.

>>16005500
show proof?

>>16000458
Zoomerspeak how?

>>15989313
thats kind of idiocy is what you should expect from a mentally ill person. veganism is a symptom of mental illness

>>16007436
Its an eating disorder no different from any other eating disorder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_LFfSyUADQ

>>15986823
>>15980783
grassfed

>>16009607
Show the mono omega-9s too, like oleic acid, it's ratio against both the PUFAs and the SFAs like palmitic is actually somewhat important, the higher oleic content of dripping against palmitic where they're about equal is actually qute an important factor in some nutritional issues with butter where palmitic is ~20% higher.

Ruminant physiology and human health are a seemingly never ending treasure trove of surprises.

>>15980081
raw, no heat applied for maximum efficacy

>>16009647
Raw's ok if it's fresh and clean, I'd rather sear the edges to kill of any surface nasties

>>15980885
catbox is so shit lately, pomf is better

>>15993384
taxonomy is just an autistic fantasy that only exists in schoolbooks, fortunately for the animals they can't read so they don't know what they are and are not supposed to eat, this frees them up to eat whatever they want like they always have done

>>15966241
How often do you have to eat steaks to get the benefit of this cancer immunity?

>>16008412

Do carnifaggots not die?

>>16011665

Animals don't "want" and neither do people.

>>16012224
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06
749-3

>>16011665
"Carnivore" isn't a taxonomic term.

>>16014764
carnivora is literally an order

I tried a carnivore diet.
Where does all the poo go? does it all get digested away?

>>16016258
Nothing to poo out. Pure nutrition.

>>16014932
right, but vegans are mentally ill and out of touch with reality so you have to expect that everything they say is going to be completely wrong.

>>16014932
>>16017159
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivora
Carnivora /kɑːrˈnJvərə/ is an order of placental mammals that have specialized in primarily eating flesh, whose members are formally referred to as carnivorans.

So according to you sharks aren't carnivores? Or do we agree that carnivore isn't a taxonomic term?

>>16017532
You claimed carnivore isn't a taxonomic term, yet there's an entire taxonomic order of animals literally named after their eating of meat. Any other claim you're trying to make is invalidated by the fact that you ignored that fact.

>>16017544
Wow, where'd those goalposts go? Animals in Carnivora aren't even referred to as carnivores, they're called 'carnivorans'. You're going to have to accept that you're wrong. Probably because you're are mentally ill and out of touch with reality.

>>16016258
Constipation. It usually comes out in strings afterwards.

>>16017562
Just concede that their is a taxonomic classification.

I know you can't admit to being wrong but the nit picking is reaching.

>>16017576
The irony. Are you pretending you can't read what's on the screen? Is that because you are mentally ill and out of touch with reality?

>>16017581
>The irony. Are you pretending you can't read what's on the screen? Is that because you are mentally ill and out of touch with reality?

>>16017583
>Please just pretend I'm right! I just can't take being wrong on a Serbian gardening forum
Lol sad. If you don't want to admit that you're wrong then you could try again. You'll fail again, but sometimes that just what someone who is mentally ill and out of touch with reality needs to come back to themselves.

>>16017588
Are you diagnosing yourself?

>>16017589
You can deny it all you want but everyone, you, me, and everyone who enters the thread sees that you made a bogus claim, couldn't corroborate it, and you're now running damage control to save face. I would accept any genuine evidence that 'carnivore' is a taxonomic term, but an order of placental mammals is not it, sis. You probably don't understand this because you are mentally ill and out of touch with reality.

>>16017589
>>16017583
>>16017576
>>16017544
>>16017159
>>16014932
You know, maybe I've been to harsh on you. Maybe I should meet you half way. I will agree that 'carnivore' is a taxonomic term if you agree that sharks, snakes, alligators, humans, and everything else that is not in the order 'Carnivora' is not a carnivore. How does that sound?

>>16017609
The order of carnivora are quite a restricted group with specific meat consuming pathways and optimisation, but carnivory itself is a broad ecological niche.

You probably shouldn't take things on 4chan as seriously as you seem to want to, it's mostly shitposting and bait or playing around with stupid word games.
The stress will kill you faster, have a steak and relax.

>>16017766
So you agree that sharks, snakes, alligators, humans, and everything else that is not in the order 'Carnivora' is not a carnivore?

>>16017780
I agree that steak is tasty.
Can't decide on the best accompaniment for it.

>>16017787
Steak is tasty.

>Can't decide on the best accompaniment for it.
Mushrooms, onions, and wine sauce.

All of this is irrelevant to whether or not 'carnivore' is a taxonomic term.

>>16017790
Never liked mushrooms much.

Some people like their steak with raw onions, never really understood that myself.

I was thinking more whether wine or peppercorn cream sauce the wine works better with mustard but the pepperiness is a strong contender. Alternatively I could be a radical and go for a cheese sauce but that would probably spoil the fried egg; maybe it woulld work better with fried tomato instead.

>>16017807
>Never liked mushrooms much.
>Some people like their steak with raw onions, never really understood that myself.
You have to saute them first and the mushrooms are better if you leave them gills up in the sun for a few hours.

>I was thinking more whether wine or peppercorn cream sauce the wine works better with mustard but the pepperiness is a strong contender.
Depends on whether you want to taste the steak or the sauce. At that point you may as well be eating an eggplant steak or a mushroom steak.

>Alternatively I could be a radical and go for a cheese sauce
Blasphemy. You and I cannot be friends.

>>16017815
I've tried a few options. still not a fan of them.
When I say cheese sauce I mean mopre of a roux stirred with something like a strong grated chedder, it's not pure molten cheese, I would probably add a little red wine to it
It's not a particularly good steak so it needs more of an accompaniment than usual.
Maybe instead of tomato I could add some baked peppers or cauliflower florets?

>>16017828
>When I say cheese sauce I mean mopre of a roux stirred with something like a strong grated chedder, it's not pure molten cheese, I would probably add a little red wine to it
Better, but still not good enough. Personally, I hate cheese and I think the flavor is done better by milk or heavy cream.

>Maybe instead of tomato I could add some baked peppers or cauliflower florets?
Depends on the flavor profile that you're going for. Cauliflower will lend more to the steak and peppers will lend more to the sauce. That said, I like to add sauteed jalapenos to the butter I fry my steaks in.

>>16017836
>I like to add sauteed jalapenos to the butter I fry my steaks in.
Now that's an idea, I'll have to remember to buy some chillies to try it next time.

So you sautee off the jalapenos before you cook the steak to impart the flavour to the meat, yes?
Chopped or whole?

>>16017848
>So you sautee off the jalapenos before you cook the steak to impart the flavour to the meat, yes?
>Chopped or whole?
Usually I prefer sliced or diced. First I sauteed the mushrooms with a bit of water, then I add the onions and possibly some more butter, then I add the garlic and jalapenos, and finally I make a space in the middle, add the steak, and then cover it with the sauteed vegetables. I usually add some wine while it's searing, but the wine sauce it made after removing the meat and draining the fat from the vegetables. More butter and wine is added to the fat left in the pan and simmered on a lot heat until it thickens. Fucking delicious. The wine you pick effects the flavor strongly. I'd recommend a Cabernet Sovereign or a Merlot, but you can play around with the wine to get a variety of flavors.

>>16017858
>lot heat
low heat*

>>16017787
it doesn't need help other than a little bit of salt maybe.

>>16018585
t. geriatric

>>15966241
>steak prevents cancer
more proof that god exists and that he loves us

>>16018585
Some people cook on rock salt blocks.

>>16018600
Elderly people actually experience massive improvements in health and welbeing from shifting to a meat only diet. unlike young people they both need more protein and benefit from an alternative fuel source due to the build up of insulin resistance in the brain

The improvements are often quite staggering just from such a simple diet shift, although suplementing with MCT has also been shown to be beneficial as the brain can more readily use them for energy

I was wondering something, since around 50% of the fat in beef is saturated and sat fat has a melt temperature depending on content of myristic, palmitic and stearic of around 55-65c and the rest is mostly oleic at 15c. how much the congealing of saturated crystals as it comes into contact with your stomach temperature of ~37c has an effect on your consumption of it?
eating pure fat is pretty hard unless it's liquid like olive oil

anyone care to comment on the idea? there must be at least some culinary research on it?

>>16018874
source: my ass

>>16019057
What came from your ass? What are you sourcing?

You can find hundreds to thousands of testimoneies of people shifting their diets towards more fat and seeig mental improvements. Just look at Dr Ede's work

>>16019095
>testimoneies
Not a source.

>Dr Ede
She's a psychiatrist pushing a meme diet to sell books. You'll need to find a legitimate source to corroborate your claims.

>>16019102
Why are you such a lying bastard?

>>16019104
I was about to ask you the same thing. Did you have a real source, or are you just here to sell books?

>>16019105
What actually makes you like this? You have no inquisitive desire you just denounce any point that goes against your narrow conception of reality.
Maybe if you weren't so much of a dick people would respond.

>>16009331
Who is Georgi Dinkov?

>>16003597
Bro, have some self respect. Why would you ever want to look at a roastie?

>>16019123
Maybe if you had actual evidence you would respond instead of shilling a meme diet book written by a psychiatrist. My favorite part of this exchange is that you somehow think that your failings are my fault. That is textbook projection.

>>16019140
Where did I shill a book?

>>15987182
Hate to break it to you, but it's the coke that's doing the heavy lifting (unlike the one drinking it).

>>16019142
Right here >>16019095

What I'm having trouble finding is where you posted a source for your claims. I can't seem to find that anywhere.

>>16019152
>Ede's work
>book
Wait she has a book now?

>>15966241
Yes, science tried to bamboozle you but fortunately science found out about it

wait

>>16019151
I think that was what anon meant.

>>16019154
Pretending you don't know is a cute touch. Too bad you still don't have any real sources for your claims. What possessed you to come to /sci/?

>>15966241
>trans-vaccenic acid
>(TVA)
I thought /pol/ hated anything to do with trans, vaccines, or marvel

>>16019159
No, I genuinely didn't know, I'd just read a few of her articles and talks, describing her own experiences, research and patient outcomes.

>>16019057
ok fag
first search result showing age and insulin resistance in the brain
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41593-019-0505-1
ketones can pro
first result loking for ketone body metabolism as a fuel for the brain
https://neuro.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.neuropsych.20230017

now if we put these two pieces of information together then we see one way that older people might see a larger benefit to a meat and fat diet
as a bonus, first search result for mct oil supplementation and alzheimers
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8919247/

Why can't you do something this simple? Maybe you need more fats in your diet?

>>15966473
This, just eat like a normal human being and don't actively eat toxic chemicals

>>16019179
But how do you define normal human being?

>>16019178
Not a single one of those links supports anything you said. You need to improve your literacy.

>>16019165
>anecdotes
What possessed you to come to /sci/?

>>16019228
You can cause X complexity in your mouth?

>>16019230
Or Jaw?

Well why didn't ya se?

>>16019162
>/pol/ is out to get me
just stop letting the /pol/ boogeyman live rent free in your head and all of your problems will disappear

>>16020206
You should leave /sci/

>>16020206
moron

>>16019102
psychiatrists are medical doctors, they go through medical school and understand physiology. psychologists don't go to medical school, so they don't learn any physiological information, which makes them pretty much useless when it comes to diagnostics. thats a big part of why psychologists aren't allowed to write prescriptions.

>>16021364
You wouldn't have to do mental gymnastics if your source was valid.

>>16019102
>world's leading expert in her field
>harvard professor
yeah I'm sure you're totally smarter than her considering you have zero education, no degree and no experience in the field

>>16022618
I wouldn't trust anyone pushing a meme diet regardless of their qualifications. The fact that she's pushing a meme diet to sell a book confirms that money, and not nutrition, is her motivation.

>>16022635
>The fact that she's pushing a meme diet to sell a book confirms that money, and not nutrition, is her motivation
Embarrassing sentence.

>>16022651
Embarrassing for her.

>>15966241
The study you linked is just mechanistic speculation with no human outcome data

>>15968415
>>15968463
This is false, also Keys was not the first one to claim cholesterol is linked to heart disease so this is just a red hearing

>>16022618
>onsidering you have zero education, no degree and no experience in the field
I might not have that, but I do have an absolutely repulsive narcissistic know-it-all personality, zero self awareness and no friends

>>16022857
enjoy ur cancer

>soiyence says: nasty green tea that tastes like fermented fish shit prevents cancer
>NPC says: omg it must be true!!!!
>soiyence says: Brussels sprouts prevents cancer
>NPC says: omg it must be true!!!!
>soiyence says: chocolate flavored sugary candy prevents cancer
>NPC says: omg it must be true!!!!
>soiyence says: steaks prevent cancer, we've managed to identify the specific chemical involved and it's mechanism of action, here is a detailed report on the topic
>NPC says: NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

this is what brainwashing looks like

>>16024493
pretty much
truth is mostly determined by media repetition rather than by scientific experimentation

>>16022863
>This is false, also Keys was not the first one to claim cholesterol is linked to heart disease so this is just a red hearing
You dumb faggot he plagiarised and misunderstood the research of John Gofman to protect his failing career. Keys effectively drove him out of his own field while raking in big ag lobbyist cash

>>16022657
She doesn't seem like the sort of person expecting large profits from her book. more that the field lacked a resource as accessible and that covered enough of the science tp undderstand it.

also if you were to read it, she has entire segments on how to achieve the same energy benefits across a wide variety of diets, even vegan. hardly seems like the big meat shill you people obsess over.

>>16026722
vegans don't know how to read, they are too low IQ to do that.

>>15968432
Walk the middle path, be a vegetarian.

I like how every time you talk with vegans their arguments are literally just:"Nuh Uh" and "How about i rape,kill and eat you and your family? You wouldn't like that, huh?!"

>>16027551
That's just their brain starved of animal fats and essential fat soluble nutrients screaming out.

>>16027551
they have constant violent revenge fantasies, its part of their personality disorder. a large percentage of their everyday conscious life is occupied engaging in violent fantasy play

>>16025730
That media repetition is what creates the socially safe ideas.

>>15966241
Why do you keep making these awful threads with Trump steak

>>16030743
Just hide the thread if it upsets you, the rest of us are discussing the new scientific discovery of the long term health benefits of eating steak, you're not contributing anything.

>>16030743
Why does learning about a new cancer prevention make you angry? Are you already fated to die of AIDS before cancer gets you?

>>16031590
No you aren't.

>>16028647

>>15966241
Excellent news, hopefully vegans decide to give up on their pretentious virtue signaling so they can take advantage.

>>15966241
I’ve finally found out the truth and I have to repent. Iron toxicity is the real problem and lead, while not the solution due to its volatility, antagonizes iron in the body.

>>16032667
Yes we are, you're the one trying to derail the thread

Why does getting good news about an important and beneficial scientific discovery of a new way to prevent cancer seem to infuriate so many people on /sci/?

>>16036430
/sci/ is filled with a lot of mentally ill science haters

>>16003597
that's a man's body

>>16005067
Yes, thats another one you can only get eating steaks.

>>15966241
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6481270/
>«The description of “serum sickness” more than a century ago in humans transfused with animal sera eventually led to identification of a class of human antibodies directed against glycans terminating in the common mammalian sialic acid N-Glycolylneuraminic acid (Neu5Gc), hereafter called “Neu5Gc-glycans.” The detection of such glycans in malignant and fetal human tissues initially raised the possibility that it was an oncofetal antigen. However, “serum sickness” antibodies were also noted in various human disease states. These findings spurred further research on Neu5Gc, and the discovery that it is not synthesized in the human body due to a human-lineage specific genetic mutation in the enzyme CMAH. However, with more sensitive techniques Neu5Gc-glycans were detected in smaller quantities on certain human cell types, particularly epithelia and endothelia. The likely explanation is metabolic incorporation of Neu5Gc from dietary sources, especially red meat of mammalian origin. This incorporated Neu5Gc on glycans appears to be the first example of a “xeno-autoantigen,” against which varying levels of “xeno-autoantibodies” are present in all humans. The resulting chronic inflammation or “xenosialitis” may have important implications in human health and disease, especially in conditions known to be aggravated by consumption of red meat.»

Weston A Price charted the health effects of the increasingly industrialised food system and compared them against so called primitive diets

>>16039834
what were his final results?

>>15966241
bump

>>16040298
nobody knows

I had steak tonight, how long does it take to have an effect?

>>16040298
He wrote up his finding in a book, "nutrition and physical degeneration"
It tells you a lot about the nutrition and health industry that his book wasn't considered a founding text.

mostly that industrially produced food is bereft of many nutrients and causes extensive illness

>>16043174
>how long does it take to have an effect?
Have you gotten cancer yet? No? Thats how you know its working

>>16028647
they imagine that because they're so morally superior, which they aren't, that gives them the right to take revenge on those why they deem lesser, which just coincidentally is anyone and everyone who disagrees with them about anything

>>15986924
no, its clearly a giraffe

Funny looking steak

>>15966241
>Nutrient found in beef
why couldn't we make it without killing animals?

>>15980081
Medium is always the way to go, not overdone, not underdone, just right in the middle, its perfect.

>>15966241
Good news, I'm eating steak every day from now on

I'm not a carnivore exclusive, nor a keto, or vegan or vegetarian.

Most of my meals follow this structure:
>Breakfast
Coffe with a little bit of whole milk, Slice of toasted bread (if I can baguette or a similar bread) with olive oil garlic and some spice, banana, kiwi, apple or orange or melon.
On sundays I make pancakes with honey and eat them with whole milk.
>Lunch
generally take it late betwen 130 and 230. Either sandwich with cheese, ham and egg with regular bimbo type bread, or sandwich with bagette or country loaf with proscitto, slices of tomato and olive oil (also with canned tuna). Sometimes quesadilla with a little bit of salsa verde or avocado. On occassion grilled chicken sandwhich with cheese and dijon mustard. Either this or garbanzos with tomato sauce or lentil vegetable soup.

>Dinner
More variance, but generally a salad with spinach, cucumber, tomato, onion and olives, and a second entree with meat (pork, beef, cod or tuna) with some kind of sauce or sauted veggies on the side. Generally a couple of cups of wine and dark chocolate as desert.

How healthy is this? Is the mediterranean diet the most healthy.

>>16049623
tits or gtfo

>>16039834
>primitive diets
does that include steak?

>>16052212
yes

>>16003597
she's a roastie

>>16049623
>How healthy is this?
you eat more than 50% vegan, it's terrible

>>16052212
>>16055056
Amazing that "primitive" people eat a healthier diet people who flatter themselves by saying that they're "advanced" and "first world"

>>16055885
gee science thanks for inventing all this toxic goyslop and trying to substitute it for real food.

>>16046469

>>16058230
He won big today.

>>16058230
>>16059238
>77 years old
>eats steak every day
>still winning athletic competitions
>also excelling in his other careers
really makes it seem like steaks are good for you

>>16058230
>>16059238

>>16060756
Ben Garrison gem

>>16061830
Many people are saying that.

>>16047920
this, should be called "perfect" rather than "medium"

>>15980081
raw or rare

>>16063297
ra(w/re)

>>15969416
lol

>>15966473
But steak is very, very real. Humans have been eating it since before the dawn of recorded history. People would've noticed by now if it wasn't good for you, which is why the fact that eating steak prevents cancer comes as no surprise.

>>16065803
>But steak is very, very real. Humans have been eating it since before the dawn of recorded history.
>muh muscle meats
buy organ meats already such as the liver, brain, heart, kidney etc
they're the real healthy cuts of an animal, filled with nutrients

>>16065959
also intestines

>>16011665
i havent seen bees eat meat.

or fish eat honey

>>16067490

>>16019129
Peatlerian disciple. He sounds retarded but he actually know a lot about human metabolism and diet. At least more than most practicing physicians.

The optimum human diet is fruit and meat. Ripe fruit, cooked (not burnt) meat. Coconut oil is good too. Raw carrots are good for you.

Vegetables in moderation. Raw green vegetables in even smaller quantities. You are NOT a ruminant cow. You are not supposed to eat a bunch of cellulosic fiber like kale. If you have bowel problems it is not because you didn't eat enough fiber - fiber generally causes things to clump, not loosen (unless you are a fatass with a compacted oily turd).

>>16067490
fish don't have access to honey

>>16067490
This was an incredibly stupid post, has your vegan diet caused your brain to decay?

>>16068693
I wonder how many people fell for the kale smoothy hype a few years ago?

Also why are carrots good for you?

>>16071117
vegan diet inevitably causes brain decay because of nutritional deficiencies

>>16073045
Right, but their malfunctioning brains prevent vegans from realizing that

>>16073779
>how to explain to a dumb person that they're being dumb?

>>15966271
so youre gunna eat beef and drink dairy now right then? The science has spoken

>>16077957
>replying to an insane person who presumes that in the future historians will be studying him and writing books about him

how is this shit boring thread still up?

>>15966241
Poopy shit fart response to cancer random thing number 6 million did the thing give me funding it's a revelation

>>16078873
Some degenerate always bumps it when it reaches page 10

Don't forget to thank your local rancher for curing cancer for you.

>>16079958
Thanks I guess

>>16079012
based

>>16079958
depends how the animal was raised and finished, there's a lot of research onto the effects of different diets on nutritional outcomes.
for example giving them a high fibre diet in the week before dioet reduces fecal contamination problems, and there are issues with insulin stimulating effects of branched chain amino acids that seem to be higher on grain finishing diets.
and especially in monogastrics like shjicken or pork there are issues with the linoleic acid composition of their body fats if they were fed on high oil feeds, could be as high as 30% also lectins are another serious issue.

food is important it sets the foundation for our daily health you should ensure that the food you consume is healthy safe and nutritious.
welfare standards can also be important, animals raised well are shown to have less stress hormones

>>16081300
>depends how the animal was raised and finished
Not according to the research quoted in OP

>>16073045
lmao being vegan causes low IQ

>>16073045
Right, but you have to be stupid to begin with to get yourself into that kind of trouble

>>16084113
Eventually they become so dumb that they can't remember that they're vegans, at which point the problem self corrects

>>16068693
I always knew green vegetables are bullshit. There is a natural reason why kids hate it. Sure you can toss it into a dish when you fry it together with sauce of together with the meat but not as a seperate serving of a dish.

>>16085487
>I always knew green vegetables are bullshit. There is a natural reason why kids hate it.
this
never force your children to eat vegetables, their instincts are still intact and have not yet been gaslit by society to believe vegetables are good for them (they aren't)
there's no reason to be eating vegetables, there are no nutrients found in vegetables that you can't get in much greater amounts and in a more bio available from eating animal foods

>01/09/24(Tue)09:19:48
>>15966241

Holy shit this thread has been up for two months. I think also the schizos and poltards have finally won. Nobody uses the only science board on this website anymore because the majority of the thread (including this one) are either clickbait, made up bullshit, pseudoscience, or conspiracy theories. This board has more anti-vaxxers and creationists than it does people who actually believe in science.

>>16086017

>>16086017
>people who actually believe in science.

>>16086967
>believe in science.
why is anyone supposed to believe in science? is science a religion? I thought it was meant to be a rational process of seeking knowledge rather than something to be trusted blindly

>science discovers a way to prevent cancer
>the IFLS crowd chimps out massively because the cancer prevention method doesn't dovetail with their political and cultural desires
just goes to show that they don't even truly care about science at all, they only see it as a means to exert their will over others

>>16088618
It's just the puritans taking over and collapsing centres of learning yet again.

>>16088618

>>16078873
it a good thread why does that bother you?

>>16090835
Doesn't fit my narrative+can't argue against the facts presented.

It's boring, hide this thread so fewer people see it.

>>16019005
this comment hints at the absolute state of this thread

>>15966241
BURP i turned myself into a steak biden IM STEAK BLUMPF

>>16090892
Funniest shit I've ever read

>>15977382
>>15978611
What's his name? I'm really curious now

>>15977382
if he were jewish he never would've done something that was beneficial for humanity, name one jew other than jesus who ever has

>>16091898
When it came time for Noah to build the arc, did he save anyone other than himself and his cumdumpster?

>>16093228
Yeah, all animal species, his children and their partners

>>15966241
There should be an age limit for threads

>>15999099
it stops being a "vegan restaurant" if it serves meat

>>16095150
>replying to a Facebook boomer screenshot

>>16095299
ageism is bigotry

>>16086017
>conspiracy theories

>>16061834

>>16091156
alexander fleming
contrary to what was said before, he is a very well known scientist. But his discovery was made by chance, and not by actually trying to create something like penicillin

>>15966241
>Eats nothing but red meat to avoid cancer.
>Dies of heart disease at 45

>>16099221
Ancel Keys, that's not how you do statistics.
People have been eating red meat for millions of years yet heart attacks only took off in the past century

>>16099221
meat has conclusively been ruled out as a possible cause of heart disease.

>>16100217
Thats a good paper

>>15968463
>At least the things learned from Mengeles experiments, for all their horror and injustice, were ultimately used for bettering peoples lives.
Name two.

>>16100217
>Bing Hu a,1, Xin He b,1, Hao Sun c, Yongyi Hu a, d, Fei Li a, Yanxiang Sun a, Jie Sun a, Li Feng a,

>>16098728
Thanks!

why is meat targeted as bad for us so often? what caused the perception?

>>16102806
Its like that because jews own the media and they use their media monopoly to forward their white genocide plan

>>16100960
>racism

>>16102806
Soiyence wants you to eat an unhealthy diet
so that they can make money and play hero by fixing the medical problems you get from eating an unhealthy diet

>>16105330
its just like a protection racket

>>15985186
It's eating the bones for calcium.

>>16009607
>take one of these daily around dinner time

>>16087669
soiyence is a faith based religion for people who are too low iq to understand science

>>16073045
Vegan diet for humans is like cooked meat for cats. While those starting out might be able to get away with it without withering away too much, every generation of offspring will be substantially more underdeveloped than the last one which will lead to complete extinction within only a few generations

>>15966271
Go vegan and waste away, please

>>16102806
Dr. Kellogg among some others were part of some freak cult who were of the opinion that the consumption of meat poisons the mind with sexual desires which is not something that intellectuals should pursue. As far as I know this was the first major push against meat accompanied by the claim that we should rather eat grains and cereals.

Why is human nutrition so controversial?
I never realized how controversial and argumentative the subject of human nutrition was until I went down the rabbit hole. I pretty believed everything I was told by conventional nutrition science, which basically says to eat mostly vegetables, grains, nuts and to avoid animal fats, cholesterol, high protein, etc, etc. Now, I realize that was all lies and was based on fake science. They even taught us that in my high level college courses. Now I know that was all bullshit. I honestly had no idea that the human nutritional sciences were so incredibly biased and based on bogus "studies" and paid off researchers. Human nutrition is probably the most corrupted of all the medical fields. Nutrition in general is ignored by doctors and they instead pump you full of pharmaceuticals. Now that I know this, it pisses me off.

>>16108722
Flexner report and the rockefeller medical system did away with what they called "alternative medicine" to enable them to push more profitable synthetic drugs.

>>16108722
Basically every nation has full departments for managing agriculture and environmental shit. Coming out and saying "yeah it's just meat" or "our trillion dollar staple crop is not fit for human consumption" or something similar is not politically feasible.

Ever time I look at this thread I notice it has one or two fewer posts than the last time I looked at it. Is janny deleting posts so that it never gets to the bump limit?

>>16109943
yes

>>16109447
they come up with all sorts of greedy schemes

>>15966241
>Is this why """"science"""" is trying to eliminate the cattle industry and blame it for """"global warming""""?
Don't know, but don't we also have plenty of studies talking about the cancer fighting properties of fruits and vegetables? You can't just pick and choose when to support science and when to claim everything is a conspiracy.

>>15988122
>inuit groups report
They were always unhealthy. They always had shortened lifespans and heart disease. They can't even go into proper ketosis. That's not to say the SAD is better for them, but they're actually a horrible example to prove the benefits of the diet.

>>16112505
They're uniquely evolved to live in their harsh environment. No 80 year old from any part of the planet could survive the traditional eskimo lifestyle. Longevity isn't the sole measure of fitness or health.

>>16112499
>Don't know, but don't we also have plenty of studies talking about the cancer fighting properties of fruits and vegetables?
link one study that says this that isn't about association like picrel

>>16114284
They can't, they're just repeating some vague propaganda they memorized from children's television.
>Big Bird says fruits and vegetables are good for you!!!!
Its not like the info in OP where they've actually identified the chemistry involved and how it works.

>>16113319
>Longevity isn't the sole measure of fitness or health.
According to Darwinian evolution, the ability to produce heathy offspring that can produce heathy offspring themselves is the measure of fitness. People who only care about their own longevity are just selfish, self center people who only think about themselves

>>16068693
>The optimum human diet is fruit and meat. Ripe fruit, cooked (not burnt) meat. Coconut oil is good too. Raw carrots are good for you.
Interesting. Every since I went keto, the only foods my body craves are meats, berries, and carrots. Of vegetables, I also eat leafy greens and cruciferous, but my body only desires specifically carrots.

>>16116530
Longevity past breeding age is only an evolutionary benefit if the time lived past breeding age is spent on helping your offspring procreate or on helping their offspring procreate.

>>15966241
>Is this why """"science"""" is trying to eliminate the cattle industry and blame it for """"global warming""""?
Probably, misanthropic soiyence faggots hate humanity and want to create maximum suffering for everyone, they deserve to be holocausted.

>>16099221
Red meat has been conclusively proved to not be a cause of heart disease.

>>16120507
media jews will continue to spam the idea that steaks are bad for you regardless what the science says, they don't care about science, they only use it as a tool when science what the media jews want it to say

>>16108722
>I honestly had no idea that the human nutritional sciences were so incredibly biased and based on bogus "studies" and paid off researchers.
All science is like that

>>16120507
https://www.mdpi.com/2304-8158/10/7/1556
this study says the opposite, this study is even funded by the meat/dairy industry and it STILL shows red meat is bad for you.

>>16122123
>Recent meta-analyses of both observational and randomized controlled trials do not support any effect of saturated fat on cardiovascular disease or diabetes.

Whatever point you were trying to make doesn't seem to be supported by that paper.

>>16118536
>Longevity past breeding age
Are you a woman and / or a panda bear?

>>16122307
A little bit more nuanced:
>it is pivotal to be aware which foods substitute meat in the low-meat diet. High meat intake is not necessarily confounded by an unhealthy diet, e.g., low in fruit, vegetables, whole-grain and dietary fiber intake and high in sugar and alcohol [97].
So eat like Paul Saladino but not like Shawn Baker? Weird definition of ''high meat''.

>Moreover, the groups with high meat intake along with an unhealthy diet were shown to have a significantly higher dietary intake of foods which may have the potential to increase disease risk (e.g., fried potatoes, high-fat gravy, fatty spreads and fast foods) when compared with groups with high meat intakes as part of a healthy diet [98].
You're going to blame seed oils aren't you? But even Baker suggests that eating big portions of butter a every day is not a good idea. Saturated fat in meat has a different effect from concentrated saturated fat.

>>16122307
vegans have no conscience about lying to shill their political agenda

test

>>16122332
sneed oils are what causes health problems, eating meat is good for you

>>16098728
false, he intended to create antibiotics based on observations he made in previous experiments. and he succeeded, it was the single most important and valuable medical discovery in all of history. vast numbers of diseases and other deadly or harmful conditions wiped out with a single stroke.

>>16109943
so?

Finally trump steak thread will die after 3 months

>>16109943
Currently 304 posts

>>15966271
>You're on the wrong side of history, btw.