/lit/ - Literature

>>23240273
lol except it's sad really

>>23240273
Are you retarded. He wants both religion to leave.

>>23240273
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA not so edgy now, are they? Faggot anglos

He was always anti-Islam, zoomie.

>>23240278
>>23240289
You will bend the knee

>>23240273
>Christianity is only preferable because it's been secularized to a state of being inoffensive and subservient to secular law
>Retards thinks this means secularists are inconsistent to prefer it over more fundamentalist, theocratic religions
I'm not shocked that /lit/ is this dumb

>>23240294
You’re the retard if you can’t see how the growth of atheism and the transference of Christian ethical pity into secular politics has opened the door for these invited waves of Muslims immigrants to emerge as the most religious members of Western societies. Dawkins and all his brain dead atheist cattle followers have no right to complain when they welcomed these developments, along with other “religious” movements like progressivism

>>23240321
The New Atheists were way more vocal about the dangers of Islam than main stream Christians were. Dawkins routinely called Islam the greatest ideological threat on Earth and Sam Harris went on Bill Maher and called out Islam as being the mother lode of bad ideas.

In the shit bowl that is religions, Christianity is less shitty than Islam, but they are both mind rotting, life denying death cults. The only solution is secularization, and the only reason Christianity is less shitty is its direct level of secularization. If the inquisition was still torturing and killing heretics it would be more of a toss up, and you should never forget that Christianity is just as compatible with mass suffering as Islam, and I'll repeat again, the only difference is the therapeutic influence of secularization.

The irony is that Christianity led to Dawkins.
Dawkins embodied the spirit of Christ, and was more Christian than the church, because he extended the morality further.

>>23240338
>The New Atheists were way more vocal about the dangers of Islam than main stream Christians were.
They propose no solutions but metaphysical castration: atheism. The secular West has no weapons against Islam.

>>23240338
>The New Atheists were way more vocal about the dangers of Islam than main stream Christians were.
They were taking advantage of 9/11 to grift fedora tippers into buying their books. Nu Atheism was a really pathetic fad.

>>23240273
An enemy that numbers time in millennia with a cultural basis that goes back to preliterate man and symbolism rooted in primordial hominids appears!
>[(You)--Choose your fighter]!
a) Richard Dawkins: rat-faced evolutionary biologist who popularized the word meme (secret weapon: Scientism; weakness: Kafka)
b) Sam Harris: midwit who solved the problem of induction (secret weapon: meditation; weakness: complex thought)
c) Christopher Hitchens: reformed commie/former fag with great talent for rhetoric (secret weapon: alcoholic snark (aka Hitchslap); weakness: Neoconservatism)
d) Daniel Dennett: Saturday morning philosopher (secret weapon: midwit empowerment (aka Reddit); weakness: phenomenology)
>(You): WEAPONIZED CONDESCENTION! ALL FOUR HORSEMEN, I CHOOSE (You)s!
*****[Fight!]*****
>(You) choose: YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN SANTA CLAUS, DO YOU?!
[Counter attack: nuance. Enemy isn't 4 and is unimpressed you don't believe in Santa. Attack is ineffective.]
>(You) choose: WHY DON'T YOU WORSHIP ZEUS?!
[Counter attack: nuance. Even myth is meaningful in a way not reducible to materialism. Attack is ineffective.]
>(You) choose: SCIENCE THOUGH!
[Counter attack: nuance. Enemy brings up the history of science and its complex relationship and continuing interplay with religion. Attack is ineffective.]
>(You) choose: FEDORA TIP!
[Counter attack: enemy is laughing.]
>(You) choose: NO YOU!
[Counter attack: enemy is laughing.]
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>[(You) have fainted.]

>>23240342
There are no metaphysics, only delusions. A delusion cannot save you. Also, Christianity seems too busy giving away billions to help the Jews commit genocide and prop up a xenophobic ethnostate of their own while allowing an open border at home, so the religious West isn't the bulwark you seem to think it is.
>>23240348
Meanwhile Christian leaders were claiming 9/11 was deserved for turning away from God. New Atheism was a massively successful movement which has literally shaped the religious demographics of generations to come

>>23240357
>There are no metaphysics

What the FUCK? TRYING TO PROVE A NEGATIVE

"There are no airplanes. I ain't never seen one." LMAO

>>23240273
>>23240338
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>>23240510
>Moralist Rebellion from understandable emotions with poorly thought out end-goals and a lack of comprehension on second and third order consequences
And this is exactly why I say these guys are still a Protestant movement at heart, even if they reject God

>>23240273
Dawkins is a lot more sympathetic towards religion than he gets credit for these days. It's basically dawned on him that religion is a necessary part of culture and society and not just "dude talking snake lmao"

>>23240510
Either it exists, and it is simple physics, or it is some invention of the human mind and as such is an illusion.

>>23240357
>New Atheism was a massively success-ACK!

>>23240342
> The secular West has no weapons against Islam
We have the internet, rock music, blue jeans and freedom. No ideology can withstand modernity.

>>23240523
You seem to have a strong desire to stray from the central contention of the New Atheists which can effectively be boiled down to "what can we know and how can we know it?" to which "Religious Faith" was found to be indefensible. The question is about what is true, and Christianity is such a miserable collection of manifest lies that it was never going to endure in it's fundamental form. Either you choose religious tyranny, or individual freedom. I know which one I choose.

>>23240563
Even a moron should be able to see that rise is more attributable to the rise of social media and smart phones than anything.

>>23240585
And that's how I feel about the "rise of atheism."

It isn't actually a rise in "atheism" by the way, it's just a decrease in active religious participation which is completely in-line with the concurrent death throes of every aspect of atomized society. These people who aren't identifying with religion aren't all Christopher Hitchen euphoric atheists.

>>23240576
>but my core moral cause, ignore any practical negative consequences of it
>you have to engage in my black and white thinking
>I logically proved my idea correct after setting my premise up in a way that proved my idea correct, you have to agree with me now
Like I said, New Atheism is a Protestant movement

>>23240589
Wait, so is Christianity a bulwark against atomization and infiltration by Islam or isn't it? If Atheism isn't rising, why is Christianity failing so hard? Why is society declining in so many ways in majority Christian countries? Why did you post a graph of suicide rates increasing with a reference to atheism if you were just going to admit atheism isn't actually related at all and isn't "rising"? What are you even trying to say?

>>23240273
It was a Jewish psy op the whole time

Hard to see this without understanding intrajewish culture but it’s really obvious when you do

>>23240342
That's so stupid. Islam is crumbling to the forces of modernity. Just because there are some retards who chimp out when the Koran is burnt, or more commonly, attack and/kill innocent people, like they do to their hosts in Europe, doesn't mean they're a beacon of spirituality. It's the opposite, actually. Just look at the harmful effects these people have on Europe, or the massacres and violence all over the middle east going on forever. Atheistic Swedes (for example) are better than "spiritual" Muslims. But at that point maybe it's less about religion and more about genes. They could be Christian and it would be almost as bad.

Islam hasn't been based for 1000 years. Get over yourselves.

>>23240273
New atheism ruined the internet. They started this culture wars garbage. They revived vulgar materialism and positivist autism. Their anti postmodernist anti religious diatribes are fucking lame. They helped pioneer a reasonable form of liberal tranny derrangement. They somehow ended up being anti-feminist (or at least critical of some types of feminism) when feminists hate religion and should be their allies. New atheists are morons. Actually they are worse than fundies. I've got more enjoyment reading Billy Graham and Sayyid Qutb than I ever will from Hitchin and Dawkins.

>>23240622
>Actually they are worse than fundies.
The real redpill is that the two groups come from the same families 200 years ago

>>23240605
Do you actually have anything to say to refute any of my points or do you just want to incorrectly frame everything and dismiss it without further comment? You condemn me for "black and white thinking" while also saying "either the consequences of a thing are good or bad and need to be assessed and considered"? Do you have anything of substance to add at all?

>>23240635
>Do you actually have anything to say to refute any of my points or do you just want to incorrectly frame everything and dismiss it without further comment?
The latter, 'cause you're not worth even debating with. You're probably just a nigger who got uppity after skimming through some of massa's books.

>>23240614
He's right. Atheism is not popular. Maybe it is in a social sense (though more likely just the bourgeois tendency to not speak of potentially "offensive" matters), but people usually believe in something higher or are at least open to it. Christianity has obviously been extremely undermined by various interests, it should be noted. And he is also right about atomisation and religious participation.

>>23240635
I'm the original anon you replied to, but I mostly agree with
>>23240644

>>23240627
Ehhh I agree there but at least some fundies are critical of modernity in a way new atheists will never be. Beyond that, at a meta level, they tend to be very similar. They're both obsessed with a transcendent force which determines human life and reduce ethical life to narrow cheap moralism and are also obsessed with their own identity and have a manichaean worldview where everyone but themselves are bad guys. But there's less joy in reading Hitchens or Dawkins or Harris. The average bible thumper preacher is way more eloquent and interesting to listen to. Qutb's poems and fiction writing were pretty good too. When has Dawkins ever written anything entertaining? He's just an old Twitter chud and if he's so confident in his atheism and fanatic anti-religious bent why doesn't he debate a serious Christian theologian like Caputo instead of going after low hanging fruit? New atheists are fundies but theistic fundies are more than a cut above Dawkins and his fanboys.

>>23240622
You must not be very well acquainted with the history of internet culture wars. The New Atheism movement was subject to an attempted coup by political ideologues who wanted "Atheism+" which was totally rejected by the actual 4 horsemen of the New Atheist movement. Dawkins was consistently based in condemning feminist clap trap garbage. The culture wars were concerned with politics and sex issues and inclusiveness and tended to defend Islam from attacks since Muslims are mostly brown people and brown people need to be defended at all times due to socio-economic conditions in certain parts of certain countries some of the time.

>>23240644
Weak, thanks for conceding though. You can't actually defend any of your ideas so you just resort to shit posting. Typical. I look forward to the further decline of Christianity into a mere obscure cultural backdrop where future generations don't believe in or care about the actual beliefs of this old and increasingly irrelevant cult.

Atheism threads are great. No, seriously, these threads are fantastic. I think the best way to explain how I feel about these threads is when I turn on the TV and turns out there's some random Everybody Hates Chris episode going, and even though (or perhaps that's just why) I know exactly how these episodes will develop as I roughly remember a lot of them as well as the general formula, I still laugh and cackle like a hopeless idiot.
Oceans will one day expose the towering mountains resting within its depths, and these mountains will too succumb to Time and crumble into dust, yet /lit/ards like these may somehow survive Change through stubbornness and sheer autism. And that's honestly fucking hilarious.

>>23240654
>The average bible thumper preacher is way more eloquent and interesting to listen to
I actually agree with you on this, I just wanted to bring up the connection because it is more interesting to talk about on this thread then dealing with an atheist crusader who is
>obsessed with a transcendent force which determines human life and reduce ethical life to narrow cheap moralism and are also obsessed with their own identity and have a manichaean worldview where everyone but themselves are bad guys
like you said.

>>23240666
>Typical. I look forward to the further decline of Christianity into a mere obscure cultural backdrop where future generations don't believe in or care about the actual beliefs of this old and increasingly irrelevant cult.
You're completely right! I, too, am euphoric in this moment. Not because of any phony god's blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.

>>23240676
what did he mean by this?

>>23240654
What specific criticism of modernity do you think is valid? I am an atheist and also incredibly critical of modernity, especially the breakdown of the family unit (which has been driven by no-fault divorce and misplaced masculinization of women to replace men, driving the sexes apart. Note this trend started before the rise of atheism and is present among Christian demographics).

>>23240704
>What specific criticism of modernity do you think is valid?
The welfare state that benefits lazy niggers who simply don't want to work.

>>23240681
Wow, so original, very clever!

>>23240618
Islam persists

>>23240618
Europe has to cost Islam because Europe has no interest in continuing their lineage. Without a bank of young blood, there will be no state support system for the elderly. Swedes are nice because no one is expected to take care of their parents or children and they can live their whole life just on themselves. Muslims are expected to raise big families and continue to support their parents. To be nice and pleasant is fairly easy if you have no responsibilities

>>23240723
Classics never die, zoomer

>>23240745
So true!

>>23240763
coal

>>23240763
>wojak posting
>on /lit/
Really glad I called you out before anyone made the mistake of engaging with you in good faith

>>23240704
Depends on the fundamentalist. They all believe different things. I'd say the things they share is a critique of disenchantment brought on by secular scientism, a strong concept of justice with a messianic impulse, and, even if they can be authoritarian moralists, that older religious ethic of self-care and self fashioning are still there. e.g. Shariati was essentially a theomorphic pantheist who thought the ultimate aim of the believer is to become a God-like being, assimilating the character of God or a demigod. With Evangelicals there's this theme of spiritual healing. That faith in Christ and community can heal your personal suffering no matter what your past life is. I went to a local meeting and there were ex drug addicts and an ex pornstar there and it wasn't seen as strange and there was a real emotional power to it. In a secular society, you do a secular version of a sin and you get cancelled. Your a black sheep for life. With Evangelicals, faith washes away your past sins and soothes any inner psychic pain you have. You might be damaged goods but you can still be a Christian despite your imperfections. Its less of a cope as new atheists claim and more psychoanalytic.

In comparison to all that, new atheists have an extremely cynical and mechanical view of the world and human beings. Its very cold and uncritical of society as a whole. Even their criticism of religion is stale and old.

>>23240772
>>23240801
>Posts old shitty memes
>Rages when someone else posts old shitty memes
never change lol

>>23240273
Atheists should be banished.

>>23240814
>basedjaks
>"old"
do zoomers really?

>>23240807
Modernity is a monument to the failure of Christianity to heal anything. Those in power seek to atomize people and profit from the ensuing disenfranchised masses and Christianity not only fails to stop this, but has been guilty of the same thing throughout history with the abominable behavior of church leaders for centuries (better tithe, pleb, and buy indulgences to fill out the church coffers!)

Also, I just have to laugh when you extol the value of religious ideas while calling other people's criticisms "stale and old". You do see the irony there, don't you?

>>23240825
Your knees and back hurt, don't they? This is a sign you're getting old my friend, wojak is fucking ancient in internet time.

>>23240807
>In a secular society, you do a secular version of a sin and you get cancelled. Your a black sheep for life.
That is, I think, the biggest failure with secular society. They really don't have anything for redemption. Now I have many strong critiques of Christian sects that don't care at all for redemption, but like you said, at least some of them strongly do.

>>23240838
>Also, I just have to laugh when you extol the value of religious ideas while calling other people's criticisms "stale and old". You do see the irony there, don't you?
Why are you writing like a fedora-tipping redditor from r/atheism? Is this a joke?

>>23240841
post2006 newfaggots and reddit tourists are really trying their best to ruin (even more) this site.

Hasn't he always called himself cultural Christian?

>>23240614
>If Atheism isn't rising, why is Christianity failing so hard?
The nonreligious just identify as "nones" or "spiritual" or "nothing in particular." Maybe a few of them go farther into "agnostic." Very few of them become "atheists." The fall of religious participation is correlated with a decline in every aspect of social society (movie theaters dying, malls dying, etc) and has very little if any correlation to Sam Harris pwning the Christians or whatever.

>>23240851
Nah, what he always called himself is a nigger-lover.

>>23240838
They are stale and old. Just because a tradition is old doesn't mean there's no innovation or new ideas in it. Look at the atheist philosophers like Deleuze or Zizek etc. so much more interesting than someone like Dawkins who's parroting the same crap French materialists were saying 300 years ago. Christianity is far from stale. You can say its stagnant maybe, but its not totally dead or lacking in interesting thought provoking stuff.

>>23240842
I met a guy at churhch who's secretly sleeps around and is probably bi. He told me he prefers it this way because as a Christian he just accepts he's a flawed person and there's a path to purifcation and redemption. Secular society is harsh and ruthless. Its not enough to sin, you have to sin openly, and confess your sin and be marked for life. Secular society doesn't accept the idea that humans are flawed and make mistakes and that's perfectly fine. You can be a Christian and a sinner and perfectly comfortable because there's always forgiveness and capacity for self--improvement. Secular morality is dangerous because it rejects secrecy and privacy (you have to be out of the closet and open about your behavior) and there's no redemption from your sin or forgiveness whatsoever just punishment and ostracization.

>>23240842
>redemption
from what, exactly. am I not made in God's image?

>>23240890
You? You're made in shit's image. You're a worthless excuse of a human being that's merely ought to be raped by niggers to death.

>>23240896
>jew worshiper seethe off the charts
lol. lmao, even

>>23240890
Usually, from their own self-destructive guilt, but also obtaining their community's forgiveness

>>23240896
No, this is Patrick.

>>23240903
Be prepared, boy. You'll bleed black cock from the ass.

>>23240278
It´s impossible for "religion" to leave,Romans had Religions,Greeks had religions,Natives are religious in some way or shape or form.
>We know, and what is better, we feel inwardly, that religion is the basis of civil society, and the source of all good and of all comfort. ... We know, and it is our pride to know, that man is by his constitution a religious animal; that atheism is against, not only our reason, but our instincts; and that it cannot prevail long. But if, in the moment of riot and in a drunken delirium from the hot spirit drawn out of the alembic of hell, which in France is now so furiously boiling, we should uncover our nakedness by throwing off that Christian religion which has hitherto been our boast and comfort, and one great source of civilization amongst us and amongst many other nations, we are apprehensive (being well aware that the mind will not endure a void) that some uncouth, pernicious, and degrading superstition might take place of it.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Reflections_on_the_Revolution_in_France

>>23240912
The modern American's religion is just BBC.

>>23240843
Do you only have one retort? Doesn't it get stale and old after a while?

>>23240912
I think Tillich said something like this. Real atheism is impossible because everyone has some kind of idol. Be it money, sex, getting your 15 mins of fame, nation etc. someone's always putting their faith into something. God is just a safer than being a porn addicted coomer obsessed with your JAV waifu or being some sick politician with grandiose delusions.

>>23240912
This, the idea of separating man from religion is a modern one, and while I know I am beating a dead horse so I apologize to the thread, this only really started appearing in Europe due to the religious situation it was in the early modern era. This idea of leaving religion is in itself, a religion

Obviously if you think animism, superstition, or ancestor worship is fake or not true religion, then you can say most of Asia is atheist, but it is not really true.

>>23240927
I could be a real atheist if I put my mind to it.

>>23240889
>He told me he prefers it this way because as a Christian he just accepts he's a flawed person and there's a path to purifcation and redemption.
This just sounds like Augustine's "I want to be chaste, but not yet" cope, which he told to himself as a young man and then repudiated. This wouldn't be how a Christian is supposed to healthily approach things.

>>23240929
Most of Asia is atheist. This is true.

>>23240931
I think there are a few 'true' atheists in the world, but they reach such a level of not caring few know how to react to them. They would never post in this thread, for example, they would just be living their lives

>>23240937
And many Atheists say this as well, you just proved my point they are carrying on Christian thinking

>>23240853
Sounds more like what I referenced to begin with, the rise of social media/virtual spaces. This has huge impacts on social life, but separate from this has been the evisceration of the false sense of respectability that religious people had in their worldview. The point is that, whether a person has cast off the death loving cult belief system or not, the trappings of modern society will have a deleterious effect on them all the same.

>>23240938
I've the hypothesis that 75% of the "Christian" posts here are made by real, hardcore atheists taking the piss.

>>23240943
Actually, I was raised Jewish and consider myself a Buddhist.

>>23240912
The religious impulse is born out of fear and superstition, and yes, man is likely to remain afraid and superstitious for a good long while. One can only hope to educate and build up the bonds of human solidarity against such cowardly wickedness.

>>23240954
>raised Jewish
Same result desu

>>23240889
>"Christianity isn't STALE! It's just.. stagnant. That's totally different."
C-O-P-E

>>23240273
>grow up in most comfy time and place for the average normie ever
>shit on foundations that make such comfy possible
many such cases! at least he hasn't doubled down I guess

>>23240957
This post was made by a Christfag trying to make atheism look bad.
You aren't been as slick as you think, buddy. This shit's just ridiculous it left me appalled that you thought it could work out, fucking begginner.

>>23240936
I thought that at first but he basically said look we're human, we're fallen, what I do is wrong and sinful but all I can do is try and deal with it and ask for forgiveness. Christians accept human mortality and the fact we are going to fail morally. He never said "okay I'll clean up my act later" or "I'll just ask forgiveness and everything will be okay." Its that being a Christian is a process your constantly working at and you have to accept your a human and your prone to vice and sin and failure. Nothing wrong with failure as long as you have faith and try to work on improving yourself. A secular homophobe would just see him as abnormal and unnatural and ostracize him. A few other people at church new and were relaxed about it even if they're the type to flat out tell you its a sexual sin. Its human nature to be flawed. You just accept it and work on it. The result is actually a much more relaxed attitude to sin and human flaws than most secular people.

>>23240965
I think the anon doth protest too much

>>23240968
Stop talking to that geezer, mate. He sounds like a complete pansy. Bet he'd suck your dick if you asked him for it.

>>23240957
I could change the word 'religious' to 'papist' with your quote and that line would fit in many documents of old America
>>23240965
>It's a falseflag, there is no way one of my own could say this
This is also is very familiar thinking

>>23240972
>he even used "papist" unironically
kek. at least you tried, mate.

>>23240937
>Most of Asia is atheist.
Do atheists really try to unironically convince people of this shit?

India has almost no atheists. China's "atheism" is just a hands-off autocratic communist thing and the average Chinese person still believes in folk religions. Japan practices Buddhism, paganism and ancestor worship. Equating any of this shit with anything analogous to western-style "atheism" is such a bad-faith analogy I can't believe anyone would seriously believe it.

>>23240974
No really, we are different posters, even if you do not believe that

>>23240980
>China's "atheism" is just a hands-off autocratic communist thing and the average Chinese person still believes in folk religions. Japan practices Buddhism, paganism and ancestor worship
Yeah, but those religions are not Christian so they are not true religion. This is one of their fundamental ways of thinking, if you point this out, they will protest too much.

>>23240278
He might but that’s not what they’re going to do.

>>23240945
>the false sense of respectability that religious people had in their worldview
This has absolutely nothing to do with why the average religious person is religious. Religion was the default form of participation in society. Societal participation is dropping. Religious participation is dropping with it. It's not because we are "free" from "le flying spaghetti monster" or some shit.

>>23240974
Congrats on not getting his point at all.

>>23240357
>Meanwhile Christian leaders were claiming 9/11 was deserved for turning away from God
Were they wrong though? Studying semiotics would help your cause but if only…

>>23240627
Anti-British racism

>>23240918
Also racist. Good think you’re getting overrun with Arabs, Hans.

>>23240273
My edgy teen ass never would have never expected this guy to call himself a "cultural Christian" lmao

>>23240273
kekaroo! What a dumbass!

>>23240997
People typically have been religious because there has been no other answer to some of life's deepest mysteries like the complexity of life. Darwin's theory of evolution genuinely demolished the main underpinning of mass religious acceptance. The only way religion has been able to endure at all is to shift entirely into a kind of metaphorical mode where nothing can be taken as literal. This leads to most people who would be religious just checking out and maybe having vague beliefs about a being that exists and maybe stuff happens after death, but since none of it can be taken as concrete any more, it's all just smoke and mirrors, completely intangible and no longer even has the facade of being serious. People seem to forget very quickly how fundamentalist religion used to be, and it was only through secularization that they were embarrassed hard enough to drop such foolish positions.

>>23240618
You know Jews control the populist right in Europe because the focus is entirely on Islam as if the religion itself is actually even a dominant force in most of these arabs lives. The problem is the floods of browns coming in, not their religion.

>>23240984
>what's ms paint?

>>23241023
>People seem to forget very quickly how fundamentalist religion used to be, and it was only through secularization that they were embarrassed hard enough to drop such foolish positions.
yet another fedora who has never read Origen or Augustine.

>>23240997
>Congrats on not getting his point at all.
I get you're playing on both sides, mate. This "discussion" ain't organic.

>>23241039
>yet another fedora who has never read Origen or Augustine
Philosophy was just science's stepping stone. Since the scientific revolution and the end of the dark ages, it has become useless.

>>23241039
>Origen
You mean the guy deemed to be a heretic by the church?

>>23241049
No, the other one.

>>23241044
kek are you actually underage

>>23241055
I'm probably older than you and have been here since 2006. You zoomers and your TradCath-LARPing is what outs you as underage. When you really become adults, you'll stop believing in sky-daddy and begin thinking for yourself.

>>23241039
The guy who cut off his own balls for Jesus is your go to example of how not fundamentalist Christians were?

>>23241064
If you're in your 40s and still doing the whole middle-schooler-tier "Darwin disproves Genesis, checkmate sky daddy!!" routine that's pretty fucking grim. I'd much rather believe you're just trolling honestly.

>>23241068
Literally never happened.

>>23240963
>foundations that make such comfy possible
homogenous white society?

>>23241069
>If you're in your 40s and still doing the whole middle-schooler-tier "Darwin disproves Genesis, checkmate sky daddy!!" routine that's pretty fucking grim. I'd much rather believe you're just trolling honestly.
Unfortunately a side-effect of young religious trauma is arrested development, becoming atheist does not undo that

>>23241073
>n-no
jew worshipers have definitely inherited the jewish penchant for lying

>>23241055
Only angsty teenagers and adults in arrested development believe philosophy isn't some phony and outdated shit.

>>23241069
>>23241080
His response to being called childish is going to be posting a wojack meme

>>23241069
Actually, the Hellenists were the ones who disproved Christianity. They understood that such a shithole of a world couldn't been created by a "loving" God, but by a bunch of douches. Nowadays, we understand that such shithole was created at random to explain its lack of "loving" qualities.

>>23241098
>disproved christianity

how do you disprove a platonic alchemical allegory you fucking gorilla n*gger

>>23241084
There's no historical evidence whatsoever for Origen ever castrating himself for any reason. Those claims were made by Christian theologians Epiphanius of Salamis (in his Panarion) and Jerome (in his letter to Avitus) during the 4th century, with the intention to undermine Origen.

>>23241111
The burden of proof falls on Plato tho.

>>23240273
He's just a dirty Christcuck on denial.

>>23240338
>The only solution is secularization
No. There are other solutions. Secular liberalism was a failure.
>Christianity is less shitty than Islam
I would argue, from a more comprehensive historical perspective, Islam is marginally less shitty than Christianity. I would agree that both are anti-life though and there are better traditions.
>>23240618
>or the massacres and violence all over the middle east going on forever.
It exacerbated once Anglos and Jews got involved after the collapse of the Ottoman empire. Otherwise, many parts were stable depending on the time period.
Shia vs Sunni wars were never on the scale of Protestant vs Catholic wars until recently due to meddlesome behavior of Jews and Anglos. Also, Shias helped Europe remain Christian, but you are brats who choose to have collective amnesia whenever convenient.

>>23241162
Secular liberalism isn't the only way to secularize.

Also, I was referring to Christianity/Islam of today, historically there is, indeed, a case to be made for the other way.

>>23241203
With America as an example, we can conclude that spaming niggers in the media and entertaiment is the best way of secularizing a society---you just have to push the craving for BBC that's ingrained in the American's DNA.

>>23241213
Mutt's law in full effect

>>23241203
Secularization has been a failure.
Not a single truly positive thing has come from industrialization or delusions of "progress".

>>23241162
Lol cmon man we all dislike the Jews and the Anglos but lets not act like Islam and Middle Age Arabia was a land of peace. Their wars weren't "on the scale of Protestant vs. Catholic" because they never learned how to make guns.

>>23241226
>abortion is finally seen as a human right
>homosexuals aren't stoned anymore
>atheism isn't punished
>science is finally progressing after centuries of obscurantism

>23241237

>>23240278
Meanwhile, the blind faith evolutionist religion which contradicts science and math and genetics and logic and reason and common sense and all observational science and all known history is still taught in schools.

>>23241230
Did I say it was a land of peace? There's no such thing as a land of peace.
>Their wars weren't "on the scale of Protestant vs. Catholic" because they never learned how to make guns.
It wasn't on that scale probably due to logistics. They did have guns starting around 15th century.
Regardless, my point still stands: the Catholic and Protestant wars were of a bigger magnitude and scale than Shia and Sunni. That's not to say the latter didn't have big conflicts in the past. Historically speaking, Euros slaughtered each other more than anyone else, but this wasn't the case with parts of the Islamic world until invading forces like Mongols did moreso...

You only care about controlling narrative and not impartial historical assessment.

>>23241245
the only thing that's missing for secularism to be perfect is total mudslim death, as they're a threat to secularism.

>>23241226
>He says as he posts on a device only possible thanks to industrialization and "progress"

>>23241237
>>science is finally progressing after centuries of obscurantism
Science has only seen real progress when it was done by Christians. Atheist "science" says boys can become women and they just make up nonsense to justify their sins and debauchery or obesity or whatever else they want to excuse and not repent from, or they demand you "trust the science" and by that they mean talking heads in mainstream media or buying big pharma products.

>>23241237
I'm not a humanist.
Human population levels were kept sustainable due to disease and war. Moreover, infant mortality served as a natural form of genetic winnowing or eugenics.
I care more about non-human species going extinct than I do about mankind. In fact, I am fine with mankind going extinct. I don't care about mankind.

>>23241260
>T-TOTAL MUSLIM DEATH!!!1
*loses afghanistan*
*loses to Houthis*
*going to lose Iraq*

>>23241262
Just because I use these tools does not mean I justify their existence. For example, I have been married for over 10 years with no kids. I see having children as the ultimate affirmation of this society's telos.

>>23240278
This. All Abrahamic KEKS need to be outlawed.

>>23241237
all science has achieved is the ability for George Soros to clone BBCs to fuck

this demented world would be more justly ruled by Conan the Barbarian

>>23241260
>secularism to be perfect
Do you realize the full extent of all the environmental problems we're dealing with? You can't invent yourself out of every problem.
Moreover, we keep losing more and more autonomy and self-reliant ways of life.

I see secularism as pure garbage. It's a sect of Christianity.

>>23241237
the ultimate success of secularization is
>women can kill their babies
>men can suck cocks
Really good bait

>>23241259
You are talking out of your ass....

>>23241318
the west's crowning achievements are blacked.com and nuclear war

really showed God who's boss

>>23241282
>all science has achieved is the ability for George Soros to clone BBCs to fuck
...and that's a good thing!

>>23241260
Any day now, tranny.

>>23241288
>Do you realize the full extent of all the environmental problems we're dealing with?
The fuck should I care about a bunch of boring plants and pesky and stinky animals? We ought to look for means to survive without "nature"---with science, we can achieve this.

>>23241327
Sounds Christian or Islamic in mentality to me.
>We ought to look for means to survive without "nature"---with science, we can achieve this.
You can't get more anti-life than saying that.
Honestly, Caucasoids are racially more similar than different. Most Euros I encounter feel no different than Arabs to me. You have a lot in common. You are both violent logocentric beings but not conscious of it. The Jew was always within you.

>>23241327
Alright, alright, nice job anon, but I think you made the bait slip a little too obviously with this one

>>23241118
>no historical evidence
glass house. by that same token there is no evidence yeshua ever existed, and christian mythology is just a new spun out version of dionysus, osirus or mithra mythology

>>23241319
Your mind is your ass, so you shouldn't talk by spewing shit everywhere. I prefer silence over your dirty words that belong in an Indian's bath.

>>23241339
Just take a look at these fuckers. Why would anyone want to keep them around? They're ugly. Also, mosquitoes are annoying and desease-ridden (just like most animals). They're a burden. Simple as.

>>23241343
>yeshua ever existed

his name was king arthur you cocksucking retard

>>23241350
Actually, his name was Joseph Smith.

>>23241350
wood berry?

>>23241276
Seems like a self solving problem. Also, you absolutely justify it by using it, or at minimum prove yourself a hypocrite.

>>23241372
>Also, you absolutely justify it by using it, or at minimum prove yourself a hypocrite.
No. You're completely removing context. It's like calling someone a hypocrite for fighting in a gladiator tournament, at the threat of death, even if he does not justify its existence.
I'm an intellectual. I approach questions impartially without placing myself in the center of them.
>Seems like a self solving problem
All problems eventually dissipate or self-solve with the passage of time.

Here's a question, if God exists and he's a nice guy and heaven is waiting for those who suck his D, then why don't theists just kill themselves to ascend to heaven 80 years earlier? The short answer is that almost every religion on the planet comes up with some theological (=retarded) theories (=BS) for condemning suicide or arguing that won't get you a ticket into heaven they claim to exist is because they're lying.

This board has been gloating about the death of atheism in the West and then the Supreme Court gave the OK for fundie states to ban abortion, which is exactly what we needed to launch New Atheism 2. Also the religious bloodletting in Palestine might lead some to reconsider this religious nonsense. Just wait until the Jews sacrifice some of those red cows. Atheist bros, we're so back.
https://youtu.be/9d4ui9q7eDM

>>23241404
nice bait

>>23241404
>a ticket into heaven

we had a ticket to heaven. it was called NASA and we shut it down to feed Black Peebo

>>23241432
>atheists actually believe this

>>23241404
>literally attaching a fedora pic to his bait
kek, okay anon, you got me, gg

>>23241260

This is true, but where is such an ideology? Theoretically a muscular, right wing, intolerant political atheism should exist, but where is it? Will it emerge onto the world stage in our generation, born out of the ashes of Christianity? If secularists will not resort to violence to defend their ideals, then secular nations are ripe for conquest by Islam. The Christian solution is for everybody to forget what they learned, drink leaded water and go back to believing in Christianity like before, but those cats won't return to their bag. The thrill Trump offers to many of his followers isn't that he's a Christian, no one seriously believes he is. But that he is readily, gleefully cruel to their political opponents. The age of Christian softness is at an end, burnt away into the void by the coming age of biological reality, at the expense of tranny lives cast to one side, at the expense of creationists who are no less deniers of nature, making way for Nietzsche's blond, blue eyed brute. The overman, who believes only in his own power and right to rule. Where will he come from, and when The western world waits with bated breath for this theoretical, never before seen political synthesis to be born, before it's too late.

>>23241390
Is someone threatening you with death if you do not shitpost on the internet?

>>23241455

>>23241465

Are we pretending you can read to begin with

>>23241463
Only the shadow man who lives under the stairs.

>>23241468
Someone's mad I didn't read his blogpost.

>>23241472

I'd like to be. I haven't felt anything in twenty years

>>23241467
As all true intellectuals have to deal with

>>23241455
>Theoretically a muscular, right wing, intolerant political atheism should exist, but where is it?
Communist states already have it. No one but the Chinese want it.

>>23241476
come to my DMs and you'll be feeling my cock in your ass. i'll have you screaming God's name more than a pentecostal during church service.

>>23241455
>creationists who are no less deniers of nature

the "big bang theory" is just genesis written in Hooked On Phonics

>>23241491
They had a detective show called The Knockout recently where the villain is a crime boss and to make it worse... he's religious.

>The China Anti-Xie-Jiao Association is a mammoth CCP organization whose mandate is to combat the religious movements banned as “xie jiao,” sometimes translated as “cults.” However, while it is at it, it slanders and fights all religions. An extraordinary document published on February 13 by this Association as part of its educational material are guidelines on how to comment “The Knockout” during propaganda sessions.

>The document insists on the fact that the villain Gao Qiqiang is a believer. We are told that Gao “goes to pray to God and Buddha to keep him safe, but in the end he cannot escape legal sanctions. Gao Qiqiang’s identity and experience tell us that the masses, party members, and officials must abide by the law, and superstition cannot save lawbreakers.”

>Looking at Gao, one can understand what superstition is. It is by no means restricted to “cults.” “What we call feudal superstition, the text states, refers to believing in gods and ghosts, and following others in participating in anti-scientific activities because of blind belief and ignorant belief.” It is not about believing in the “wrong” gods. It is about believing in gods, in general.

>>23241521
>>/tv/

>>23241521
Kek this sounds like them being butthurt about Falun Gong more than anything.

>>23241491
He said right-wing. We already know that commies hate religion. Though it’s worth noting that Western leftists have completely warmed up to religion, so long as they can understand it through their own religious framework. Like this person >>23240727

>>23240727
>invite the wokeys

LoL, enjoy your speedy decline instead of your slow one

>>23241162
>No. There are other solutions. Secular liberalism was a failure.
I've never read any of Jordan Peterson's books but I'm looking forward to his next one (which is about the above). For some reason it never dawned on me before but I'll bet one of the central reasons he gets so much hate is he was the cultural nail in the coffin for fedora tippers.

>>23240912
Weird, china and the USSR did it, and now so have places like the Czech rep or singapore

>>23241681
>china and the USSR did it
Their religion was Communism.
>the Czech rep
Their religion is meth.

>>23241688
>Their religion was Communism.
cringe
>Their religion is meth.
Unlike 70% christian america...

>>23241691
>Unlike 70% christian america...
American's religion is BBC. I thought we were already clear about this.

>>23240338
There is no "solution" with secularism. Secular bullshit is what got us tranny gay slop, drug braindead "music", hookup culture, coom brains, etc. You can cope all you want but without religion there are no boundaries for a human's depravity

>>23241694
Ah yes, the British Broadcasting Corporation.

>>23241944
Secularism is the only source of real freedom and individuality, the only way to be a man and to hold sovereignty over your own thoughts. Without this, religion intrudes into every aspect of your life and claims ownership over your body, mind, and even, perversely, your soul after death. The religious drive is one towards totalitarianism, for a father figure to dominate you in totality and for perpetuity, it is the endless infancy of the depraved human weakling. You dare to speak of "boundaries for a human's depravity"? This, in defense of a group which has systematically mutilated their baby boys' penises for centuries? What level of depravity is there which escapes the religious endorsement? Murder, genocide, torture, extortion, slavery, all have passed as absolutely necessary and justified by the Christian religion. It's one thing to be ignorant, it's another thing to be this dishonest, anon.

>>23240927
Buddhism is a ‘religion’ whose express purpose is to void all idols.

>>23241989
>>23241989
>This, in defense of a group which has systematically mutilated their baby boys' penises for centuries?
Is it any surprise jews mutilate their own children? I'm not for that. I'm also not claiming that religion is perfect because as it is, ((judeo))-christian morals are a psyop (specifically the judeo part if you couldn't tell)

>What level of depravity is there which escapes the religious endorsement? Murder, genocide, torture, extortion, slavery, all have passed as absolutely necessary and justified by the Christian religion.
Again, humans can't be omnipresent and perfect. To argue that humans have been bad even with religion isn't really disproving religion. For msot of human history humans have believed in some form of religion. With Christianity, the whole thesis is that we are sinners that need the grace of God to become better. It doesn't say we're perfect and that there will be no evil, that's an absurd argument. However, to claim that Christianity didn't at least help humans behave in a much better way is delusional, to say the least.

>It's one thing to be ignorant, it's another thing to be this dishonest, anon.
I'm dishonest? Unironically, the bloodiest and most atrocious events have been under secular states (the soviets, mao, pol pot, etc). How can you call me dishonest when you don't even acknowledge that secular states have more blood in their hands than all the Christian holy wars combined? Again, what secular argument is there against depravity? You can see it around you right now that there isn't any.

>Secularism is the only source of real freedom and individuality, the only way to be a man and to hold sovereignty over your own thoughts.
I disagree completely. This, again, is a psyop. To say that you can't have individuality with Christianity is absurd. It's hilarious to me that in your world view I'm a thoughtless automaton when you can't even step back from your own biases and see that we gave secularism a chance, and it failed completely. I'm an ex-turbo atheist, btw, so I'm not just speaking out of my ass here. There's more to life than "muh freedom to coom" and "individuality". Mass individualism is what got us shit shows like the harpy feminists. You know it's true

>>23241989
>The religious drive is one towards totalitarianism
Also, wanna address this before I go to sleep. It's hilarious you think that we aren't living in a totalitarian state right now. But see, they wrap it up in pretty colors and you think you're free. We're not. We have social credit scores, we answer to the banks, we answer to big companies that dictate what we can and can't say, you get arrested if you don't pay taxes to help the single mommas and Israel, and I could go on and on.

On that note, what other alternative is there? I'd rather have a government be outright with what it will and won't tolerate morally than this limpwristed "just let everybody live in peace maaaan" hippie shit