/lit/ - Literature

It's problematic because of colonialism yadda yadda yadda. Millenials are so terrified of nonconformity that they can't cope with the idea that anyone thinks differently than them, even if they're long dead.

>>20654531
its taught in schools alongside Things Fall Apart and is framed as racist.

>>20654563
>is framed as racist.
it IS racist

>>20654531
I checked the reviews for Adolf Hitler:El Ultimo Avatara. There's some pajeeta rambling about Zionism,NPC's and Matrix. She gave it 5 stars.

>>20654572
>it IS racist
And? Does it make it bad or something?

>>20654580
yeah

>>20654572
how is it racist? it has a pretty strong anti colonist message

>>20654531
one of the best books ever written.
also fuck the jannies on this board. you all need to get fucked and stop deleting good threads. just fuck off. your existence is superfluous. in fact you being here is a net negative. let threads die when they die naturally. just fuck the fuck off stupid sad bastards.
stop making /lit/ a janny state

>>20654556
>>20654572
setting a book in colonialist congo does not make it a pro-colonism book
if that is all you take away from the text, it says more about you, than the book

>>20654588
So the basically the message is that we're savages just like them but it also implies they are savages

>>20654585
I meant literary bad,not "morally" you utter garbage.

>>20654627
both lol

>>20654531
The 1-star GoodReads reviews are either people who all share one brain cell and just hate it because it makes their collective thinking muscle hurt, or commissars from the censors' bureau who think a book that predates the entire modern concept of racism should be judged according to metrics invented yesterday. And possibly tomorrow, because that's how totalitarian scum works.

>>20654531
It's kind of a hard book

>>20654618
that's not the message of the book

>>20654679
for you

>>20654556
>Millenials are so terrified of nonconformity that they can't cope with the idea that anyone thinks differently than them, even if they're long dead.

Exactly. That's why so many of them rely on words like normie, incel, scrote, foid, roastie, moid, chud, lib, boomer, zoomer, etc.

>>20654556
That many readers can't see the mighty theme beyond colonialism is disappointing. That kind of blindness still confuses me, how can people be that way? Think that words can only mean one thing and not two or three?

>>20654531
literally every review is because of racism

>>20654531
Incredible story. One stars probably come from kids forced to read it in school.

>>20654618
brainlet

>>20654618
even if that was the message saying both are savages isnt racist cause it judges all equally

the site is gold

>>20655079

>>20655079
>>20655089
Whenever I see reviews like these I know it's going to be a great book kek

>>20654618
Which would be an explicitly non-racist message.

It's actually just about Kurtz.

>>20655089
is that Chris Chan?

>>20654577
Based Jeeta.

>>20654685
then what is the message?

>>20656954
It’s about the horror of existence. Colonialism and the Congo is just the stage Conrad uses to evoke that theme

>>20657025
At the heart of the human experience is darkness, horror. You may dress it up in nice clothes and fancy society like the Europeans, but below the veneer is the same darkness you can find more evidently in undeveloped Africa. Africa is the birthplace of humanity, the dark and primordial jungle. This spirit is latent in every persons heart. You can see the heart of darkness in the Africans who want to cannibalize Marlows first mate (their fellow African) immediately after he dies. You also see it in the accountant, who’s annoyance at the dying man in his cabin shows a similar inhumanity. He figuratively feasts upon the workers who die in droves, tallying them up and taking his cut.

Kurtz has lived in the heart of this dark jungle for some time now, and a mind as powerful and educated as his, when exposed to the true horror of existence in the jungle, is driven mad.

>>20654607
Learn to read

>>20657122
>Africa is the birthplace of humanity

The 'Out of Africa' theory will be disproved, and evidence is already there to partially support this claim.

>>20654585
brainlet take

>>20658560
I never saw a discordance between my racism and the out of Africa theory. If it's true, then Eurasians are the significantly improved product of a genetic bottleneck. Sure, we're technically related to niggers, but so what? I'm technically related to the cow I eat for dinner.

>>20655089
why didn't she do it, bros?

>>20658730
Meh, I was just making a small comment

>>20654563
I liked Things Fall Apart even though it was supposed to make you feel bad about colonization. Yams. YAMS YAMS

>>20656954
> then what is THE message?
kek.

>>20658560
Booo... this Anon spent a good long while laying out the case for you, in commendably eloquent detail, and this is what you take from it? /pol/tards are something else

>>20658730
Grow up faggot

>>20656252
same, i can't even start a book nowadays without reading some retard crying over it
>show 1star ratings only
>open reviews and comments manually
>ctrl+f: racist/sexist
you don't need anything else

>>20658870
Back at you nigger lover

>>20658866
Not a 'poltard', it was only a small comment lol and I do admit he makes a good point. No need to be so sensitive

I greatly admire Conrad and his work but it's boring as fuck to actually read.

>>20654531
They misinterpret it as being pro-colonial because they've never read an actual pro-colonial author like kipling.

>>20659055
I don't view it as a pro or anti colonialism piece. Speaks much more to civilization and the darkness that is in all men that can be brought out from that veneer

>>20654531
The book says the nword like 2 or 3 times. That's worthy of a book burning in these dire times.

>>20654531
It's aninventiveway to kieikayphisis

Explain Heart of Darkness to Emily anons.

>>20657122
Just to add on to what you said, Marlow much like Kurtz was exposed to the horror of existence, which is why he can't view Europe in the same way when he returns from Africa. The civilized world is much like Africa but the civilized world conceals the horror of experience which only Marlow could see through.

>>20654563
Had this at school wasnt framed as racist rather two perspectives of colonialism.

>>20654531
it sucks balls. it's pure mediocrity. story has nothing original.

>>20659164
Obviously heart of darkness is more challenging than the ones she mentioned, otherwise she would've understood it.

>>20658553
Retard

>>20654531
It doesn’t.

>>20659164
Ulysses is for brainlets confirmed.

>>20654531
>Goodreads is a sea of 1-star reviews kek.
8%

>>20659164
This faggot gave a one star review to the book of disquiet because "IT READ LIKE TEENAGER DIARIE!!!!!!"

>>20661898
And she isn't wrong.

And she just keeps going!

>>20662310
Onions

>>20654531
Should I read this book even if I've already seen Apocalypse Now?

>>20661321
It does

>>20662648
Should I read the Odyssey if I have seen 'O Brother Where Art Thou?'

>>20654531
many normies love Heart of Darkness, this book was the first one i've read seriously and i liked it a lot even as brainless teenager

>>20654556
the book is a critique of colonialism tho

>>20662801
>the book is a critique of colonialism tho
And Huck Finn is a critique of racism. Doesn't stop libtard fuckwits from losing their shit over Nigger Jim.

Hated in the nation? Call Thomas Pynchon today!

>>20662747
Alright fine, I'll read it.

>>20658560
Was it disproved when Conrad wrote the book you fucking mong?

>>20654531
30 year old white women goodreads reviewers being triggered by subject matter and rating it 1 star?
Color me surprised OP!
They shouldn't be allowed to leave a review simply because they can't stomach it.
You should have to finish a book to leave a review.

>>20662989
Check some reviews for The Sailor Who Fell From Grace With The Sea. It's genuinely sickening.
The book isn't even that rough.

>>20659164
>every page, every sentence, every word
she really gave it her best

>>20662995
Go on. Post some pics kek. I bet it's when the cat gets skinned alive that they're all having mental breakdowns.

>>20659164

"It’s queer how out of touch with truth women are. They live in a world of their own, and there has never been anything like it, and never can be. It is too beautiful altogether, and if they were to set it up it would go to pieces before the first sunset. Some confounded fact we men have been living contentedly with ever since the day of creation would start up and knock the whole thing over. "

-Heart of Darkness

>>20659172
Good point. This adds value for when you reread his take on England once being it’s own dark wilderness when the Roman’s first happened upon it

>>20654585
>>20654657
It actually doesn't and you're wrong. Being "not racist" makes things retarded garbage. Go watch television, you total retard.

Just look at these naked Negroid savages. They and all of their miserable ancestors have never invented the wheel, nor writing, or clothes until White men showed them civilisation. Now, their equally black and no less savage descendants are animalistically screeching in impotent rage over the embarrassing fact that they were civilised by others instead of civilising by themselves. All this of course while reaping the fruits of their White superiors' advancements, for they cannot give up the convenient comforts they provide. Truly loathsome and wretched creatures. If only they could spare us their insufferable existence and go back to chucking spears in their zoos.

>>20654531
it made that nigerian guy cope&seethe

>>20657122
I feel foolish. I read it as a commentary on the disconnect between thr civilized and uncivilized, which is strong enough to drive the civilized to regress. I.e, from the French ship wantonly firing into the jungle culminating in Kurtz becoming a God of cruelty.

Conrad is very dense and HoD is usually baby's first Conrad. These people would get filtered by Lord Jim or any of his other novels

>>20654531
The liberal worldview is that everyone back then was racist but all I see are people cucking to niggers even back then. From writers, to military generals, to - of course - politicians. I don't believe racism was ever as prevalent as they make it out to be. Colonialism was almost assuredly done for economic gain; not racialism.

>>20662310
Except she is wrong.

>>20665296
>The liberal worldview is that everyone back then was racist
And everyone now is racist, except non-whites

>>20654577
Look at the only review for Manu lol

>>20656937
Carl Jung had a favourable view on Hitler? I thought he worked with Allied intelligence to provide the Zog forces with Hitler's psychological analyses.

>>20654531

>>20662989
>30 year old white women

>>20654531
1. Its written in Conrad's some what meandering impressionistic style which is deliberately exaggerated because old man Marlow is narrating (rambling is part of his character). If you've got a poor attention span then it's a pretty tricky read

2. It depicts Africans as retard savages.

>>20654572
the pseud cannot delineate the author's feelings with the feelings of a character in the book

>>20654618
how can someone be so stupid. Just read the book you idiot

>>20665992
>megametaphor