/lit/ - Literature

>>23330396
You can't run out of things to whine and cry about if you adopt a pessimistic mindset. Even perfection is up to critique as being "Too simplistic, without struggle" As a pessimist.

An optimist is very one note because the message remains the same regardless of circumstances. Things can improve. Things are good.

pessmists are usually smarter and can see reality for what it is

>>23330444
They see a bunch of tangentially related negative things and weave them into a doomer tapestry.
>"Life is shit because somebody somewhere just lost a close friend to cancer, or lost their home in a fire, or got crippled by a drunk driver, or got their face disfigured by a chemical attack, or found out their oneitis only sees them as a friend"
etc. They don't see life for what it is, because if they did, they would understand that life is mostly a mundane experience, and tragedies are a truly rare occurence for the average person. Also, a big problem with modernity is that the average person quality of life has been raised to such an extent that even third-worlders lives privileged existences now compared to their ancestors. This has also, ironically, lowered the standards for what counts as "misery" to a modern pessimist. Typically, modern pessimists now base their terminally negative world views on some variation of frivilous 1st world problems, like, for example, just being single for a while.

>>23330396
Because optimism boils down to you. You can overcome your challenges, you can become the person you want to be, and so on.

Thus, the optimist can't tell you how good everything is, because you have to do it yourself. You have to see how capable you are. That takes time and effort, and can't be expressed in a 3 hour essay.

>>23330403
>You can't run out of things to whine and cry about if you adopt a pessimistic mindset. Even perfection is up to critique as being "Too simplistic, without struggle" As a pessimist
This
Pessimism is the result of letting the nagging voice in your mind run wild. That voice can run forever.
Optimism (or even just simple acceptance that things are shit and that it will be okay) is ascending above that voice. There really isn't much to be said when you are accepting of the world. You just experience the world through your senses instead of living in your mind and commenting on every ugly or dirty thing there is.

>>23330396
there's a lot of that can be said about optimism n my thoughpinion. people just aren't very good at it.

for example, a maxim I like is "one must see turds as gentians"

>>23330444
>>23330396
It's laughably easy to convince people you're smart or enlightened just by being a contrarian or cynical

I'm going to use this stuff on why pessimist philosophy is retarded.

>>23330396
>why is a streamed video longer than an edited video
Low IQ comment.

>>23330396
Once you adopt an affirmative attitude to life you are impelled to action. The negative attitude hinders action in place of idle talk.
>Speech is silver, silence is golden.

>>23330396
Because brevity is the soul of the wit

>>23330396
Because pessimism is always just an expression of a deep wound. The inability to confront the wound results in self hatred. The more honest losers in this world will stop there, recognize that, and live in that space. That's not good either but it's more honest.
The real weasels among us can't confront self hatred either, so they dodge it, and spend their days congratulating themselves for seeing "reality," which in their eyes has no hope and nothing good in it.
"People are only happy because they don't think deeply enough and fool themselves"
"I see the real truth"
Any thoughts like this emanate from the mind of someone who hates themselves

>>23330444
Haha wow I hadn't even read this prior to writing this
>>23330721
See how predictable everything is? It's nuts, when you understand the human heart. Its like having a crystal ball.
Get help before you hurt someone

>>23330716
The person who says that is a fool. Media liteteracy, chud. You should try it sometime.

>>23330396
Because fear sells. You don't hear from happy people because they are enjoying life and not bitching constantly.
Also this
>>23330510

>>23330444
I feel it’s a bell curve. Brainlets are optimistic, midwits are pessimistic, true geniuses are optimistic.

>>23330396
lmao niggers are starting to think ?!

>>23330798
Nah. Optimism is another veil.
True geniuses are neutral. That doesn't mean they're happy, and it also doesn't mean they're miserable. They occupy that sweet spot in the middle, accepting of reality. They don't expect more out of it than is reasonable, and they don't dress it up as being worse than it is either.
Acceptance is genius.

>>23330811
They're evolving in real time.

>>23331014
Or perhaps by recognizing that others are human and not what you call them, you're the one evolving

>>23330823
That’s a kind of optimism in a way. The truth is that almost anything is possible if a person puts their mind to it and is willing to put in the effort.

The difference between blind optimism and intelligent optimism however is that knowledgable people know that the road to success isn’t going to be easy and that things won’t just be handed out to them.

Still, I think too many people in the world are overly pessimistic. It’s not healthy for society and is doing untold damage to people.

I think you first have to go through that pessimism phase to understand optimism fully. But optimism is a lie too. Life is what it is and there's beyond this logic.

>>23331022
huh

>>23330396
bullshit and selection bias

>>23330396
optimistic philosophers learn how to live and forget about writing

Benedictine is so cringe lol. Wanders round the African tundra whinging about life. Somehow gets views.

There's something deeply narcisstic about pesimissim and pesimissists. Ultimately because it's a rejectionist philosophy based on the world not being up to the pessimists (the whingers) standards. As if the world should conform itself to your moral sensibilities. As if the world gives a shit about your faggot cringe standards. Waa waa it's so bad the structure of reality needs to change to accommodate my fee fees!!! There's suffering here ;_; it needs to stop its making my heart strings achey mommy!!!!

>>23331242
Also optimists are too busy living and striving, fucking mad hot women and driving nice cars (hypercars generally $2 mil plus) to write whinging treatises.

>>23331242
I still like to watch his treams though while I'm working out, cleaning up, or doing something productive. For some weird reason, I get more motivation from hearing Doomer/blackpill dudes like him and DBDR bitch about life than from self-development guys now.

>>23330396
I feel like that’s what makes an optimist more optimistic. They don’t drown themselves with thoughts. They’re just like yeah I like that bitch I’m gonna go talk to her, I fucking love money I’m going to get more of that, wow this is pretty nice actually. Pessimists are the prime overthinkers, instead of just living and going after cool things they sit around and think themselves to death.

>>23331249
Most optimists I know actually aren't that hedonistic compared to a lot of the pessimists who drown themselves in vices to distract their mind.

>>23330444
I think both pessimism and optimism arises from a position lacking knowledge. Whoever has the right knowledge becomes a realist.

>Pessimist philosopher: Life is suffering. Life is evil. The only responsible act to take in life is to end it.
>Normal person: OK, so are you going to e-
>Pessimist philosopher: Furthermore, even writing about philosophy is futile. There is no purpose to anything. The only purpose of life... is to end...
>Normal person: O..OK, so are you going to d-
>Pessimist philosopher: That is why I've decided to publish yet another book, "For an End to Everything."
>Normal person: Oh, so you were just polishing off your final statement on the matter? That makes sense, I guess.. So are you going to k-
>Pessimist philosopher: And please sign up for my podcast, "Life Isn't Worth Living." If you sign up for Platinum membership, you get access to all 458 episodes, extending back to 2014.
>Normal person: I guess I just don't see the p-
>Pessimist philosopher: I've recently begun work on a new book. This will be my final, FINAL statement on why human striving, morality, and even pleasure are meaningless, and why you should never do anything, even write books, you should ONLY kill yourself immediately. Pre-order now at $34.99!

This is DEAD MF we are back again in the PRISON CALLED LIFE

I would pay money to see this guy get punched in the face.

>>23330755
People who say “media literacy” are usually trannies. Good job outing yourself.

>>23333608
This is kind of silly. Obviously those pesimists who sui don't leave books behind, so you only see a survivorship bias of the narcisstic shills publish their grand statements. It's more a criticism of the narcissism of authors than pesimissts in general.

>>23332250
Maybe subconsciously you are motivated to never succumb to pesimissm.

>>23333594
>Whoever has the right knowledge becomes a realist.
aka a pessimist

>>23331029
>The truth is that almost anything is possible if a person puts their mind to it and is willing to put in the effort.
this is factually untrue, if anything, its this kinda retarded ideology that is doing real damage to people
to make an grossly simplified but true example: person born without legs will never be NBA pro
to tell a kid permanently in a wheelchair that "The truth is that almost anything is possible if a person puts their mind to it and is willing to put in the effort." is a lie
idk that i advocate pessimism or optimism personally but you need to put more thought to your pro optimism argument

>>23336801
A better statement would be, "some improvement or attainment toward a reasonable goal is possible, and is better than stagnation or lack of belief in any improvement at all."

>>23336828
already better
i dont feel its still very good case for optimism, i think oughta argue for the values of setting goals, improvements and attainment of said goals are optimistic views and worthwhile pursuits

>>23336873
I agree. I'm not an optimist. It's probably a better case for realism; but for someone caught up in nihilism or pessimism, there is some optimism in realism compared to where they were at before.

>>23330482
>some variation of frivilous 1st world problems
Frivilous problems like being forced to wage everyday until you die

>>23336883
It's not frivolous, but it also not as bad as people make it out to be. The truth is somewhere in the middle on that one.
My life sucks but its due to my own actions for one thing. I wage slave because that's what I chose to limit myself to doing. People who can't admit this are always looking for someone else to blame. I can also eat everyday and have leisure time. Thats more than many have.
Its soul abating over time, that part contains some truth, but who is to blame?

Its easier to pick holes in something than it is to create something.

If optimism is so good how come you act like a bunch of negative nancies?

>>23336883
Yes, a man who does not work does not eat. This is a sentiment shared by practically every culture in the world. Either find a way to make money while you sleep or move to a welfare state that'll let you being a worthless NEET.

>>23336923
You think the average /lit/izen loves his life? Why do you think they love Schopenhauer so much here?

>>23330396
>the nigger idiot who made this gay and pointless thread can't even formulate complete sentences
The absolute state of this board. Watching everything fall apart as these 3rd worlders/sub-races try LARPing as White is hilarious.

>>23337475
Anon, you sound very brown.

>>23330396
because being a faggot is easier than just living.

>>23330396
>live good life
>have nothing to whine about
>shut up
vs
>live bad life
>full of complaints
>blab

>>23330798
based chad

>>23330721
Elaborate on how being honest is hating yourself.

>>23330396
Establishing an obvious truth takes a single sentence, but establishing absurdities is a gradual process.

>>23330721
>Honesty is... LE NOT GOOD!
>"People are only happy because they don't think deeply enough and fool themselves"
Did you realize that you just proved that pessimists are correct?

I'm begging you to think dialectially.

>>23336801
I think the better way to define an optimistic viewpoint is that you have the full control over who you are and can translate that self-identity into reality with enough effort.

A person born without legs may never become an NBA pro, but he can still become capable of feats of incredible athleticism.

>>23342461
>I think the better way to define an optimistic viewpoint is that you have the full control over who you are and can translate that self-identity into reality with enough effort.
fair enough, i dont think thats inherently optimistic view to hold however
one could be very cynical and pessimistic while still believing that

>>23342633
>one could be very cynical and pessimistic while still believing that
Could they though? A person who is very cynical and pessimistic but was born with the perfect NBA all-star or World Cup champion genetics likely won't even make it to the league because he doesn't believe he realistically has the talent to get there and thus doesn't bother putting the work in. He has, metaphorically, cut himself off his legs simply because he lacks the optimism to believe in himself and see his goal through.

Maybe reading distorts your view, because their way more successful writers who are still cynics and pessimists despite their success compared to athletes, politicians, businessmen, military officers, etc. It's like one of the few professions where you can be a negative nelly and still somehow make it.

>>23330482
Mundanity is precisely a catalyst for many other problems