/sci/ - Science & Math

If you mean drugs in the medical sense, which I'm judging from your picture and phrasing that you don't, then no.

If you mean recreational drugs, I hear all the cool cats drop acid.

>Take sleeping pills
>Wake up
>Immediately write down every detail you remember from your dreams

Psychedelics are called psychedelics for a reason.

Stimulants such as nicotine and caffeine make people more social, and I guess possibly more creative.

>>4151377
I wasn't aware there was a difference. I thought drugs referred to both and any.

piracetam

>>4151388

Medical drugs improve functions of the body.

Recreational drugs are drugs you do for fun because they make you feel weird.

I would just go ahead and say all recreational drugs have the ability to make you more creative. But that's not going to apply to everyone obviously

>>4151397
But surely there is an overlap.

Anyway, it's just wishful thinking on my part. I'm not going to be able to get a hold of any controlled substances.

I'd say mushrooms, but if you ain't a little creative on your own, drugs won't lead you anywhere near it.

>>4151421

Of course they overlap. That's what side effects are. Aka - the drowsiness, sleepiness, drunken state. It's called being high.

Medical drugs are just drugs that have a positive effect on the body, not all cause very noticeable side effects.

Some recreational drugs do have /some/ positive effects on the body, aka pot, but still have very negative effects and are used mostly for the pleasure factor. Pot can cause very serious lung problems and temporary learning disabilities.

>>4151421
Yup.

Cocaine was first introduced as medication.

>>4151372
erm, yes!
fucking loads of them! probably most of the drugs in existence.
caffeine, alcohol, weed, LSD, shroom's...
im more creative than sober on all of these.

>>4151372
I use marijuana when I get writer's block or need to think of some off the wall crazy shit.

And while it is excellent for having a good time, it's also great for deep thinking and contemplation.

So yeah, e'rry day.

>>4151441
I find you quite creative every time you post on /sci/. Always pushing the limits of how annoying a post can be. Sure, pretty often it's just the remake of an old discussion, a post already seen many times, but nonetheless, there's always something new and remarkably dense. So much that my faith in the human kind decays faster on /sci/, when you're online, than on /b/.

>>4151458
>So much that my faith in the human kind decays faster on /sci/, when you're online, than on /b/.

Give this man an award.

>>4151441
>fucking loads of them!
wrong

>probably most of the drugs in existence.
lolno

>caffeine
it's a stimulant, you're experiencing a placebo.

>alcohol
a psychoactive that interacts with GABA receptors, causes confusion, and inhibits neuronal activity? really?

>weed
reduces CNS activity regardless of dosage, research that claims a 'creative effect' is usually flawed in some way or another and is eventually discredited by the scientific community, 0/10.

>LSD
not even bothering with this one, you're clearly an idiot. 0/100

>shrooms
0/1000

>>4151441
>probably most of the drugs in existence.

Go away EK. Tylenol does not make you more creative.

i'd say if you want to learn something, do some uppers and then go do something you've watned to but haven't

>>4151382
this was a REALLY good answer

>>4151464
so stimulants universally cannot stimulate creativity?
Also, just because you describe what a drug does in dry medical terms does not mean you've described all the emergent effects that can occur from someone taking the drug.

>>4151382
>>4151477

I more often than not don't dream (or don't remember it when i wake up). I was under the impression that sleeping pills have a tendency to further inhibit dreaming.

>>4151487
fine, i have one for you to try: salvia

i've never done acid or shrooms or anything but i believe pot and alcohol make a person stupid
and NO, stimulants activate the central nervous system
take some ritalin/ do some coke

>>4151464

Hallucinogens improve creativity subjectively in that they give you a different mindset, giving you more perspective.

Alcohol causes confusion. And one mans jumbled thoughts and justification for that confusion is another mans creativity.

On the other hand, creativity is impossible to measure, so this whole question is pretty well subjective and unanswerable in any satisfying way.

>>4151462
>most
yep depressants dont, any kind of stimulant or psychedelic will.

>>4151464
well on the surface you appear to know your shit, but i know for a fact that most of those definitely make me more creative.
IRL im a bit quite and withdrawn, but on alchohol i crack far more jokes, and creativity is stereotypical with weed, i mean most of the time its bullshit, but you end up with:
"OHHH!, man! what if! what if.. you know, the entire universe! is made up of loads of tiny little goblins that want to eat everthing and pull everything towards themselves, and what if thats what causes gravity!! huh!|??"

or some retraded shit like that, and it mostly is retarded, but no doubt makes you creative.

shrooms and LSD are fucking awesome, and if youve ever done these you will no doubt realise how fucking creative you can be!
...indescribable.

>>4151523
>quite
*quiet

>>4151498

Depends on the pill. Martazipene is a seditive which causes vivid dreaming.

The best way to trigger dreams in my experience is to wake up, then go back to sleep, or to drift off due to exhaustion while trying to work on something.

>>4151523
i would disagree, i consider creativity to be the ability to come up with solutions to problems

NOT spew a bunch of garbled nonsense and think non-sequiters are deep

Depressants, which inhibit brain function, you would naturally say would inhibit thought patterns and brain-related activity altogether-- but as someone with severe anxiety, my mind races a whole lot and can't stay still-- depressants "slow down" my mind just enough to be able to focus on an activity at hand, like studying, writing, math.

Just one example of how the assumptions made in: >>4151464 based off intuition may not empirically be true.

>>4151523
but how is that at all creativity? that's just concentrated stupidity pouring out of one's mouth. you can't discover a surprising breakthrough in inviscid flow theory smoking weed.

>>4151522
>subjectively
that's the keyword.

if op is NOT an idiot, one thing they could do would be to take a drug trip (salvia i suggest because it is very short) and try to describe it immediately afterwards, they may get some very primal insights

>>4151536
doesnt have to be solutions to problems, can be complete fantasy; articstic, anything really, you can imagine things that arnt real, write a book, make a film, write poetry... none of it solves problems, but its very creative, and a lot of these drugs mentioned ITT certainly help with that

>>4151555

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how is creativity even an issue

i need more *incentive* to produce and follow through with my ideas.

any ideas on how to get *THIS*??

EK thread general? EK thread general

So why is EK such a stupid cunt?

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>>4151574
Might be because she didn't take her pills.

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i've got a better quesiton
how come, if i have the songs, do i never go play my music at open mics?

>>4151553
Unfortunately OP is an idiot. I've looked into salvia, but it's illegal here and i wouldn't know how to get it.

>>4151555
This is new. I'm agreeing with EK, for once.

>>4151584
i should probably work on that

If someone uncreative needs creative ideaas, why doesn't he go and ask some creative person for assistance?

>>4151567
when you start recognizing every thought you have as a thought you've had before

Ritolin. fucking ritolin.

Absinthe.

"Absinthe originated in the canton of Neuchâtel in Switzerland. It achieved great popularity as an alcoholic drink in late 18th- and early 19th-century France, particularly among Parisian artists and writers. Owing in part to its association with bohemian culture, consumption of absinthe was opposed by social conservatives and prohibitionists. Charles Baudelaire, Paul Verlaine, Arthur Rimbaud, Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec, Amedeo Modigliani, Vincent van Gogh, Oscar Wilde, Aleister Crowley and Alfred Jarry were all known drinkers of absinthe.[6]"

>>4151667
so...still alcohol then!
...fucking retard!

>>4151667
i hadn't thought of that

>>4151675
Shut the fuck up, you dumb cunt.

>>4151675
Olde tyme Absinthe is not only alcohol, it contained a lot of other psychoactive ingredients.

>>4151372
LSD, mary and maybe even alcohol up to some degree (as long as you don't over do it).
Stay away from the rest and don't abuse them, don't be a morron, you wouldn't drink 10 cans of red bull, so don't do it with drugs.

Also, LSD and Mary are the safe drugs, others range from moderate to areyouafucktwit to meth, try to limit yourself to safe drugs, seriously, the other shit ain't cool.

>>4151681
Friends of mine have made abysnthe, not the fucking strong drink, but the one used to give you the effects.. they had to soak vodka in some sort of herbal mix for a while, then put other stuff in it..
They said drinking it made them quite crazy lol.

I've had weed make me more creative.
Don't know if I was more creative on mdma though.. Should take it again to find out!

>>4151719
what are the worst side effects of mdma?

>>4151703
Concern appreciated, but this thread was made in a hypothetical spirit, so no need to worry.

>>4151778
becoming uncreative, lol

>>4151778
Well, the most common ones I've read but haven't experienced is dehydration and hyperthermia from becoming too active (and forgetting to drink, lol stupid druggies)

But what I've certainly found most annoying with the constant jaw clam. Once you put your jaws on eachother, you keep them shut tight because it just feels so good.

Becoming uncreative could be another one actually, lol. You just keep focussing on everything and everyone at the same time that you just drown into it.

>>4151789
It's better to be safe than sorry, and as a fellow brony (or human being as a matter of fact), I felt an obligation to inform you that weed and LSD can be used safely and that the rest of the drugs are potentially harmful in the long term.
>inb4 12 yo kids thinking they know shit about drugs start spouting some shit that weed and LSD is dangerous
To your information, you are as likely to die from moderated usage of LSD and weed as you are likely to die from radioactive poisoning from drinking water, so please do kindly stfu.

Cocaine is obviously a detriment to creativity, just look at the 80s

Define creativity and we'll talk.

>>4151863
Allow me;
"The use of the imagination or original ideas, esp. in the production of an artistic work."

>>4151840
But lethality isn't the only aspect of danger, is it?

>>4151863
Creativity i take to mean as having an active imagination. The ability come up with new thoughts. Both solving problems in new ways and vivid dreaming/hallucinating are aspects of this.

>>4151464

But weed inspires ideas
which in a sense is creativity

>>4151703
I disagree, do whatever you want just do it in moderation.

Any drug is pretty much alright if you aren't a dumbass.

Stop the discussion guys, drugs can only activate what's already been inside of you.

Hanging upside down from a tree would have the same effect.

>>4151934
except heroin

Psychedelics really do stimulate creativity, it's insane how ideas and images just pop into your head. Amazing for doing creative things, background noises somehow begin to become harmonic and before you know it your mind is unconsciously composing intricate melodies. They are not, however, so great for logical thinking. If you want evidence for this just go to 420chan /psy/ and look for a post with a title akin to "Guys I just realised this while on shrooms"

>creativity
>not a social construct

vitamin b6 should help creativity if memory serves, if that's not it, then its one of the other b's, in fact most water soluble vitamins stimulate creativity so any b's as well as c should help.

have a nice weekend.

>>4151948
Are you saying that all states of mind are equally conducive to all kinds of thought? When you're exhausted you can't concentrate as well as when you're awake right? Is it so much of a stretch to imagine that there are states of mind that might be better for the creative process than the standard sober one?

>>4151949
actually if I HAD to name a couple drugs to watch out for it would be meth and crack and thats it.

I know pizza delivery guy who does heroin every 2 weeks and delivers on a vespa. Hes living good and living WELL within his means, provided he continues to live alone. INB4 pizza delivery guy peasant tier.

>>4151906
Obviously.
LSD and weed are nearly harmless, and weed's only negative quality (thc) can be removed by smoking weed from a bong, which filters weed and not only increases the effects of weed but also filer it so it will not leave stain in your lungs.
Basically, weed and LSD are nearly harmless and have very weak potential of addiction.

>>4151934
Meth.

>>4151948
No shit sherlock. I think that is the very definition of creativity, isn't it? Twisting what's in your head to create new products?
>pic

>>4151987
Weed is not harmless.

METH!!!!!!!!
/thread

>>4151987

> and weed's only negative quality (thc) can be removed by smoking weed from a bong

Either youre horribly misinformed or you know nothing of marijuana

THC is the compound that gets you high, but it also is the part that causes testicle cancer, frontal lobe deterioration and other smaller side effects

And Bongs dont filter jack shit, all it does it cool the smoke as it passes through the (hopefully) chilled water which makes the smoke (THC) Thicker. Bongs filter nothing lol

And who the fuck told you weed and LSD are harmless or near that


Both have horrible long term effects on the human brain and other select parts

TL:DR Youre fucking retarded and everything you say from now on is invalid

>>4152023
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide#Potential_adverse_effects
>physiologically well tolerated and there is no evidence for long-lasting physiological effects on the brain or other parts of the human organism
>LSD is non-addictive, is not known to cause brain damage, and has extremely low toxicity relative to dose
before you respond yes it says that it can cause symptoms that resemble brain damage but that's WHILE YOU'RE HIGH. Keyword here temporary

>>4152023
-9999/10

>>4152000
Alright, wrong terminology (don't yell at me, everyone makes mistakes). It doesn't do much as filters thc, although it does filter the bigger particles which are far more dangerous than the smaller one, but it's harmful attribute. Warm thc is like goo, it will stick to your lungs and stuff, over extensive periods of holding it in your lungs warmed up will make it stay, but when it's cool it will not stick, the cooler the better.
Regarding LSD I might have bee misinformed, but I am not certain you posses any valid knowledge regarding LSD either.
Also, I never claimed that weed is harmless, all I said is that it's nearly harmless and I'm sure it is far more harmless than living in a city.

>>4152043
Then i retract what i said about LSD even though i have my doubts, i think with more research we will find evidence of brain damage over time with enough LSD

"Flashbacks" are a prime example of this, the research just isnt there yet

LSD, big time.
I've read about it and saw documentary, it has been proven to
make you creative, even in practical problems, not just artistic.

>>4152052
LSD is one of the most researched drugs out there, I really don't think it causes significant brain damage. As for HPPD it's possible that there is some damage being done to some kind of sensory mechanism, but all studies of regular LSD users found that there was no cognitive impairment among the LSD users. Any damage being done to your body by LSD is in all likelihood much less severe than alcohol.
In terms of marijuana I really have no idea because I don't particularly like it so I've never bothered doing the research.

>>4152052
Face it, you're just saying this because the government says it's bad, what a cute, obedient citizen, you'd probably kill your own mommy if they told you, wouldn't you?
Excuse me for the former part, it was highly inappropriate, but I couldn't resist. Weed and LSD are said to be harmful by general public, but so they said about earth being flat.
Let us not forget that you are quite probably living in a city, don't you care about your health? And using phones that are said to be possessing potential of brain damage? Coffee has many side effects, such as washing magnesium from your body, are you drinking it? Spending excessive amounts of time in front of your computer will damage your vision, did you know that? How about fast food? Or chocolate?
Truly, everything is potentially harmful, so it's not a matter of whether it's harmful or not, since everything is, but rather how harmful it is.
Everything can be proven harmful.

>>4152072
lolwhat

Anything that has such dramatic effects on the brain has to have some kind of draw backs, im just using rational thought since almost every drug in existence has some kind of draw back be it meth or simple cold medicine

and i smoke weed pretty often so speculate all you want, before you go, please refer to my chart so you look less of an asshat in the future :)

> drug arguments

What a surprise.

>>4152084
>Anything that has such dramatic effects on the brain has to have some kind of draw backs,
This is a massive assumption. It surely seems like it must but that's by no means true. Again I'll use the example of some of our natural states of mind which differ from the standard sober mind, sleep. Sleep is probably one of the most drastic changes of perception you can have. Does chronic sleep cause long term problems with the mind? No of course not (although oversleeping is apparently unhealthy) just because we have artificial ways of altering our perception in dramatic ways does NOT imply that they must be causing some sort of long term damage. It may be the case that they are but it's perfectly possible that they aren't.

>>4152084
Where do I currently stand?
Also "Anything that has such dramatic effects on the brain has to have some kind of draw backs", prove it. There is no karma in the world we live in, unless you're not implying that it's equal to the positive qualities, then I'd agree, but in aforementioned post I believe I've stated that everything has negative qualities one way or another, but weed and LSD's qualities are so diminish that they are nearly unimportant, just like phone cells causing brain tumour.

>>4152108
I have personally done LSD twice and after doing it I feel like i have a greater appreciation for art and music.

not sure if this will increase creative thinking though, but it definetely stimulates an artistic side in you

>>4152023
>testicle cancer
Nope. Probably from an out of date study. THC inhibits tumors.
>frontal lobe deterioration
Nope. Only in teenage years when brain is going through most of its development. And even then it doesn't always happen.

>>4152052
>>4152052
Acid flashbacks are a myth. It's just latant schizo symptoms that are brought to the surface by altering one's consciousness.

That IS one thing that LSD and weed can do. if one has a history of schizophrenia I'd recommend not doing those drugs.

>>4152118
HPPD is very much real, it's not entirely understood at this point though. In terms of weed and LSD triggering psychosis certainly they can be the catalyst for latent psychosis but even that I think is overplayed. The only other real psychological danger from psychedelics is PTSD which can occur after having an especially bad trip. This, however, is uncommon and can be entirely avoided by being responsible with your trips(ie set and setting/ knowing what exactly you're getting yourself into)

Weed can make you draw without getting bored halfway.

>>4152150
But it will make your drawings look shitty like fuckity-fuck-fuck, unless you're real fucking experience, like van gogh level or something.
When sober it's hard to come up with ideas and easy to recreate them, while high it's easy to come up with ideas but difficult to recreate them.

>>4152154
I'm the opposite. Cause like when you're high you pay attention to detail and stuff and when I'm sober my head is racing with ideas whenever I get bored for whatever reason.

>>4152154
Nope, being high doesn't bring any detrimental effect on how you perform.
>At least not with me.
If anything, I was more open to certain stuff than anything.
Have made lyrics high, drawn high, sung high, made music high.
The only thing I've fucked up is making music high, that's kind of hard sometimes. Simply because I overfocus on one thing, making my work process extremely inefficient.

My best friend studies architecture and he's high like 4/7.
He's made almost all of his designs while high (especially the fundamental ideas for it) and he's been getting great grades for them. He's like one of the best designers of his class lol. Sometimes it's extremely ironic that hopheads are glorified for shit they've done high.
You DO NOT become a non functioning lazy fucktard, sitting in the couch all day long. However, it can happen lol, I guess it depends on how smashed you are.

>>4152166
Maybe its the ADD