/sci/ - Science & Math

Immortality? I hope he does.
Do I think he will? No.
Do I think the next 2 generations after he’s dead will? No.

>>12651659
Another babel
Can't wait for these anti christ hubric demons to suffer

>>12651659
It's just a trick to pump stocks, retards fall for it and buy stocks making his companies much richer.

>>12651659
>uploading lmao
Uploading what.

>>12651659
Imagine talking about "uploading consciousness" when we don't even know what the fuck consciousness is

>>12651730
Uploading my dick into your anus

>>12651730
Uploading my black dick into your mom

>>12651746
Sticking stuff into our brains is the only way to find out.

>>12651659
Yeah let's just somehow fuck around and do cool shit with something we can't even define.

>>12651746
Humans were making more humans for aeons without knowing about DNA.

>>12651784
Good point.

>>12651746
We were building wheels before understanding the laws of motion and friction.

We were using fire before knowing the chemistry of oxidation.

We were treating bacterial infections before knowing germ theory.

We were using semiconductance in point contact radios before inventing vacuum tubes and knowing about semidonductance.

We are currently using superconductivity without having a theory for how it works.

We are applying neural-net AI without figuring out how the final application is actually wired and without mathematical proof of its behavior.

We will in the future also upload and edit consciousnesses without understanding what consciousness is.

For some technologies it's inherently easier to make and work with it on an application level than it is to understand it at a theoretical level. Thus societies will always use it way before understanding it.

It's a common fallacy that people assume just because we don't understand something we can't make applicable use of it.

>>12652309
>materialism bro
nope. consciousnesses is not something to be uploaded
and those examples are braindead and not at all applicable. We can build wheels without understanding the laws of motion and friction because we can just make a shape and have it do something immediately. We don't even know if consciousnesses as an entity is even a thing. Its not like looking at a rock you don't understand what it is but still can be seen to objectively exist. uploading consciousnesses is no different than saying we can upload god. Where is it? What are its properties? how can it be located and then transported?
You're a stupid psued. Everyone of you types should have a mandatory 2 year study of basic philosophy before starting your technical training. It'll clear up this circus act

>>12652309
Absolutely based and glass-pilled, even with reddit spacing. I LOVE you anon.

"Psychotronic warfare"
>You are not in control of your inner voice
https://borderlandsciences.org/journal/vol/36/Beck_on_Psychotronic_Warfare.html?fbclid=IwAR2HEObrxeANCbtiFVGU5LNA47Yj86-BeY2WJxBXTUB_IhYSdWG48nc8RrU

"Zero-Point Energy"
>Infinite energy from a vacuum
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19990023210
https://www.integrityresearchinstitute.org/Hendriques-COFE7.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2mSkQ5hbsIVgcUhJhBi9xhJ7u4gCXyrnLCSbqs_yuG_mdJKtmOUA4AE4o

"NSA telling us that aliens exist"
>Literally
https://www.nsa.gov/Portals/70/documents/news-features/declassified-documents/cryptologic-spectrum/communications_with_extraterrestrial.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0aKrsc3_BayBg4Q7Sw2ELlxmHFXKpG7ziCzcBTsNj6B8reKV5MYfFl0RI

"Bots and agents doing psyops and just f'ing faking it"
https://personalliberty.com/new-nsa-docs-confirm-long-held-blogger-fears-there-are-government-trolls-among-us/

"They must be extraterrestrial and intelligent"
>Aliens confirmed
https://www.uaptheory.com/

Here's some stuff we kinda still don't understand but what the cutting edge inventors are definitely using for progress.

Let's see where this year goes, then where the decade goes, one person doesn't really need to worry about centuries yet, but they absolutely SHOULD because we are responsible for EVERYONE who comes after us.

Keep sciencing, you lovely, lovely folks! I am a brainlet myself, but I believe that sharing these things will eventually make my efforts worthwhile.

>>12651659
He's going to dump all of Africa onto an old Raspberry Pi and then crown himself Emperor of New South Africa.

>>12652333
meds

>>12652329
>we can just make a shape and have it do something immediately
And we can't just upload the entire neural network of the brain and have it do something immediately?
>how can it be located and then transported?
A "thing" doesn't need to be located to be transported though. Our current understanding of quantum mechanics is a good example of that. I know quantum entanglement doesn't necessarily "move" information but it definitely "reads" it somehow.
>philosophy
Not science. Philosophy tries to find answers to questions that don't have answers. Once an actual answer is found/understood, the question is no longer philosophical.

Mankind has made many philosophical questions into scientific ones.
Simple example:
>What is the smallest "thing"
Well, ancient greeks said it's the atom. An indivisible. Then we divided the atom and went from there. Nuclear physics was invented. No longer philosophy.
Philosophy is the embryo of science, so yes, it should be mandatory to study philosophy but only if it relates to the questions your particular area of expertise is trying to uncover.

Sorry if I sounded condescending, I post this with respect and I don't claim to know everything. I think I might not know anything.

>>12652351
>ot science. Philosophy tries to find answers to questions that don't have answers

>>12652351
>And we can't just upload the entire neural network of the brain and have it do something immediately?
how is this consciousnesses

>>12652341
The answer you get from someone who is scared of knowledge spreading. They're not going to take your job, anon. They are going to make it useful.

Or it's a bot. You can choose. I was surprised you only said "meds" and not "schizo" in the same post.

I think uploading the mind/soul/consciousness or whatever you want to call your "self" is very possible in this reality, and even if Elon seems like a lunatic sometimes, he is currently the only public figure who is trying his best to give mortality the middle finger. It's a respectable effort. I want to believe, and hope that even if it turns out it is NOT possible to transfer the mind, something good and exceptional will come out of the study.

>>12652370
i will make it my personal mission to find a destroy all immortalityfags. All of their vehicles would be crushed, their false "consciousnesses" deleted, and their memories wiped. Then I will kneel and praise the Lord.

>>12651659
Ok, you uploaded your mind. Congratulations. But what happens to the old you? From your perspective, nothing really happened except there is a new version of you in ElonCloud!

So lets say anyone in ElonCloud can download themselves in to your brain. Elon downloads himself to your brain. From the brains perception of reality, was it you one minute, elon the next?

>>12652379
>the "lord"
You don't know about The Law of One, do you?
We are the universe, experiencing itself subjectively. If there is a Creator of all things, a "God" so to speak, we must be a part of that god.
Even if god created this universe without residing in its' own creation, the universe, a 'unified verse' if you will, is a thought that god came up with.
If god doesn't have thoughts, then it created something it can't describe to itself.
So no matter what god or higher power you believe in, we ARE the gods. Extraterrestrials are the gods. Grains of sand and mountains, quantum fluctuations and galaxy clusters, and the boötes void too, it's all god.

Even if you disregard all I said, if you want to destroy ALL immortalityfags, you must also hunt down "the lord" in your pursuit. You must kill your god, because immortality is not good.
Am I right? Help me out here, I never understood religion, and The Law of One is the only "religion" (even though it's a Law, not a religion,) that makes sense and can't be refuted.

>>12651659
This guy wants to ditch his body to be a machine forever. Is this guy 12 years old or just watched too much sci-fi.

Why the fuck would you want to be a machine. As if binary logic can replicate emotions and consciousness. What a load of old shit. You lot are retarded, genuinely.

>>12652412
He's not talking about binary logic though, we're taking baby steps. Even binary logic obeys quantum mechanics.
Mechanical quantum computing is (to the general public at least) not reliable yet.
But if engineered quantum mechanics are an eventuality, then the brain can and will be simulated by a computer at some point.

Bits? Think qubits and we are getting somewhere. The brain is a vessel for your "soul" or "consciousness." Why is it impossible to create another vessel that works as an antenna just like the brain?
The brain creates multiple different types of waves which can be read as electromagnetism. Mind-reading is no longer a theory, it's a reality and you can affect the mood of people through subliminal messaging. Sounds are great, but magnetism is not detected by senses, so it's even better for that.

https://borderlandsciences.org/journal/vol/36/Beck_on_Psychotronic_Warfare.html?fbclid=IwAR2HEObrxeANCbtiFVGU5LNA47Yj86-BeY2WJxBXTUB_IhYSdWG48nc8RrU

Check this out if you really want to find out something interesting about yourself and others. It's a long read but very worth it if you care at all. If you don't care, that's your loss.

Evil-Geniuous?

Imagine this: With his neurolink, the subject can think with help of the computer processor. Soon he realises that with computer, thinking is smoother. Years later, the physical brain has zero or barely activity. The soul has been fully transferred to the computer and the computer can be unplugged from the physical body. It continues to live on a chip.

>>12652433
I approve of thought-printing.
Based and true.

>>12651746
We don't even need to. Brains are a black box. Insert two-way sensors to it and plug to computer, with some knowledge of the fundamental signal processing of physical brains. See what happens.

>>12652370
protip: if something sounds nice and convenient, it's probably not true.
The universe doesn't exist to house life, life adapted to exist in a harsh universe.
psychic bullshit doesn't exist because it would imply that life has properties independent of the universe it adapted to exist in.

>>12651659
weak people will always be looking to escape their fear of death, be it in belief of an afterlife or belief in a charlatan

>>12651746
Can't we test for it though?
Assuming other humans are conscious, they also know what losing consciousness feels like. So if someone develops a way to gradually substitute your meat brain for a silicon brain while conscious (long shot I know), it should be possible for you to tell your consciousness is fading away, even if nobody knows what the fuck consciousness really is.

What if you plug into your own ideal little perfect virtual reality utopia world just for you and everything's great but then one day someone on the outside hacks into your world and turns it into some sort of hellish nightmare?
Can you exit it at any time if you want? What if once you are in, someone on the outside can block you from coming back out?

>>12651746
Consciousness is a byproduct of our brain. That's it. Transfer the brain to robot body and it will work just the same. It will develop cognitive problems and dementia even in a robotic body. It's pointless.

>>12652835
that is my main concern desu, humans can be pretty awful

There's a disconnect with scanning and recreating yourself. You can end up with more than one you despite the fact that no one person can occupy two spaces at once. Assuming each entity is its own unique existence, your copy is an individual separate from yourself. You aren't immortal in that case, you have merely created an avatar that takes on your identity in your stead.

>>12652429
Fair enough. I would say it reaches the goal of looking MORE like consciousness but not genuinely being so. For a start our brains uses chemicals and these chemicals would have quantum behaviours different to quantum behaviours of semi-conductors right? If we are to entertain quantum properties.
I shallow know these subjects but that's my next stab at translation problems from our body to a machine, since Musk mentions uploading himself. Regarding simulation of consciousness, I too would wager quantum computing would take a good step.

>>12652429
Fair enough. I would say it reaches the goal of looking MORE like consciousness but not genuinely being so. Another point is that our brain also use chemicals and these chemicals would have quantum behaviours different to quantum behaviours of semi-conductors right? (If we are to entertain quantum properties.)

I shallow know these subjects but that's my next stab at translation problems from our body to a machine, since Musk mentions uploading himself. Regarding simulation of consciousness, I too would wager quantum computing would take a good step.

>>12652877
Clearly consciousness is not a real physical thing, but an emergent property of physical interactions. If you display a picture on two identical computer monitors, is it still the same image? If not, what makes one image any different from the original?

The real answer is to not think too hard about it and enjoy what you have.

>>12652835
What if you're in one right now?

>>12651659
>having corporations LITERALLY controlling your body and mind
Yeah, no thanks.

>>12653010
They already do.

>>12651659
do you retards actually believe this shit? This cartoonishly ridiculous.

>>12653495
>muh soul

>>12653557
>materialism
Go back to your site.

>>12653588
If you believe in soul, then pray to God so he will reconnect it to your upload (or copy it too).

>>12652385
> From your perspective, nothing really happened except there is a new version of you in ElonCloud!
No, it's *me* who is in the cloud now.

>>12652877
Still better than having children that end up being fuckups.

>>12653964
This. Even if the copy isn't true real you, it's much better to have a full copy than someone half-you genetically and significantly different mentally.

>>12652850
No it wont, thats a neurodegenerative you can actually see gray matterNeuron cell bodies) dissapear

There are only two ways we can ever hope for immortality
1. You make a big enough name for yourself that someone in a million generations will want to reconstruct your consciousness
2. A benevolent species in the future somehow backtraces all particles in the universe to reconstruct all consciousnesses that ever existed, even the meek

>>12653588
Already went there. It's called /sci/. You should go back to >>>/x/ though.

Immortality is impossible because of entropy.

The best you can do is drag on your miserable existence for a couple trillion years before the usable energy in the universe has completely enthropied after which you'll be swallowed by eternal nothingness and nothing that ever happened matters anymore.

So it doesn't even matter if you die in 40 years time or 3 trillion years time. The end result is the same, with just as little significance. The only reason you want the 3 trillion years option is because evolution hardwired you to always go for the self-preservation option.

>>12651746
Maybe you don't, but any AGI expert or good neurologist does.

>>12654421
Poincare recurrence.

>>12654450
>AGI expert

>>12654464

>>12652433
chip it innnnnnnnnnn

>>12651659
this kind of technology will never exist because the barrier to cross would be literally replicating life from scratch, that's the starting off point for this kind of shit

artificial intelligence would come before that, and that will never happen either

as for immortality -- will never ever EVER be available to regular people, you gotta be out of your mind to think something so ridiculous, not having any idea about the implications of a population that won't die, or even as much as live twice the life expectancy of people today (plus it will never happen)

Elon isn't a scientist, he's just a money mark, he'll say some science fiction shit and throw a billion dollars at it and expect it to be taken care off

>>12651659
the engineered-microorganism based 'nanotech' revolution which it would be built on will probably be significantly grassroots/DIY based, if/when it ever happens.

>>12652790
Nope, no experiment you can ever perform can allow you detect consciousness or the lack there of. To the external observer there really is no such thing as consciousness, the human brain is just a computer that takes inputs and produces outputs, if you replace parts of it with functionality equivalent parts then the system will behave in the exact same way.

>>12651721
Being a doubting anonymous voice in my almost eternal torture is such a sad existence. I like the cold loneliness of transcendence knowing that's all you are and I'm not.

>>12654580
>artificial intelligence would come before that, and that will never happen either
I think you meant "conscious artificial intelligence" will never happen

>>12651659
The human brain is not a data storage device you cannot "upload" it. The brain is a physical object whose very structure encodes information, but you cannot upload it anymore than you could upload a piece of wood. Brain computer interfaces will not allow you to upload a brain or do much of anything like that, the brain does not have some kind of databus you can just tap into. The only way to upload the brain, is to dismantle the thing and physically scan the entire structure at the atomic level and then hope your atomic level simulator is good enough.

>>12654602
Are you saying that a smart and successful guy like Musk is lying?

>>12652334
>my empire of shit

>>12654158
>He still hopes for immortality
It's an hellish curse, true immortality. A couple extra centuries might be fun, just gives you more time for any extravagant desires you might have and to accumulate power to further any grandiose plan you might have.

>>12654931
Eternal youth and health is a pretty sweet deal, as far as I’m concerned. True immortality, not so much.

>>12652329
Consciousness is extremely simple, its the most familiar thing there is. If you havent figured it out by now, oof. Pretty much the moment we had language it didnt take long for someone to think on it long enough to understand the single key to the entire puzzle: I am that I am. YHVH isnt some fairy tail idol to worship, but a logical hint at what consciousness truly is.

You are that you are.

>>12652360
If it says it is and yells at you not to hurt it we should treat it as though it is

>>12651659
That wouldn't work though.

>>12651659
imagine being the dumbass who makes a bunch of retard immortal so they can keep doing this shit forever.

>>12651659
OMG lmao looks at these guys aays. not even understanding immortality. plebs spotted.

Where do these retards who think the possibility of mind uploading is a done deal come from?

>>12651769
Isn't it how progress usually works?

>>12655912
It's better than "but it will not be me" dummies.

>>12652850
>>12654450
Low IQ. God, I fucking hate brainlet physicalists.

>>12655977
You can pray to God so he will make the transfer successful.

>>12651659
ended watching the whole interview right now on youtube... he mostly said stuff he already said in the past but still interesting.
Elon for emperor of Mars

>>12652850
>>12654450
lmao what a retard
go back where you came from, stop polluting my board with your stupidity

>We were building wheels before understanding the laws of motion and friction.
You don't need to understand Newton to know how a wheel works...
>>12652309
>We are currently using superconductivity without having a theory for how it works.
BCS theory my friendo
>Thus societies will always use it way before understanding it.
Yeah... Society will make a quantum computer before knowing how to build one... you are a really clever one.
What you are talking about are almost always discoveries by coincidence. Those coincidences are just and with further understanding of the topic at hand they can be reiterated and refined.
Of course we don't need to be a physicist, computer scientist and chemist to use a computer.
Building one from scratch requires a lot of knowledge tho and that doesn't come frome coincidence.

>>12653495
Of course.

>>12651659
>immortality
Leasehold your own life.

>>12653675
Wrong

It wouldn't be permitted by the authorities, we already have an overpopulation crisis as we speak, bringing immortality to the table would just make it even more apparent and it's consequences more severe as well

>>12652333
Damn trips can you give me a tldr on these how do I know I can trust this

>>12651659

>>12654421
>Universal Half-life
How are you left with eternal nothingness if the Universe was conceived amid eternal nothingness to begin with? If something exists, its existence leaves a lasting impact.

>>12651746
We know where consciousness is derived from, though the question still remains how you physically manipulate an abstract concept in its subjective form. Drugs seem to be the go to, though that doesn't move anything.