/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15883875

>leave the harbor on a cruise ship
>blow up cruise ship, sail the rest of the way over the Atlantic on a rowboat
>arrive at the coast
>enter a yacht
>take yacht to shore

>>15883875
real photo?

>>15883894
no

>>15883887
Yeah it's pants on head retarded but at least SpaceX got free tendies to build starship with so whatever

>>15883904
>itt space cadet making rearded analogy followed by baseless overconfident claim
Sad

>>15883907
meds

>>15883875
Anons, is there any interesting launch or event left for spaceflight this year?

https://twitter.com/NASAWatch/status/1728142761600090399?t=Av-mwaefkV9YMmBao3e0Qw&s=19

Guy who choose starship as an interm admin before retiring passed away

>>15883922
IVO will do orbital testing of a quantized inertia thruster.

>>15883922
Soyuz launches tomorrow and Electron returns to flight on Monday. Vulcan launches on Christmas Eve barring any delays.

>>15883933
>interesting

>>15883933
>Electron returns to flight on Monday. Vulcan launches on Christmas Eve barring any delays.
hoping for total failure

>>15883933
>Vulcan launches

Rumao

>>15883922
In December Landspace is launching another Zhuque-2 and Falcon Heavy will be launching the X-37b for spooky reasons. We'll also get to see if SpaceX can launch 100 Falcons before Jan 1st.

/sfg/ - stupid fucking general

>“Stephen G. Jurczyk, 61, of Fredericksburg, VA, passed away surrounded by his family on Thursday, November 23 (Thanksgiving Day) from pancreatic cancer. Stephen was born on February 20, 1962, to Walter and Jean Jurczyk in New York, N.Y. He graduated from the University of Virginia where he received Bachelor of Science and Master of Science degrees in Electrical Engineering in 1984 and 1986.” More — Ad Astra Steve.

https://nasawatch.com/personnel-news/steve-jurczyk/

Rest in peace

>>15883925
F
Genuinely. Pour one out for a real one.

>>15883959
You're seething tranny

>>15883960
No wonder he did what he did. God bless this man, may /sfg/ never forget him

>>15883925
They killed him didn't they?

Question, will HLS starship skip the sealevel engines on the ship? what about mars ships? since mars atmosphere is close enough to vacuum. so just 6 rvacs? or maybe they squeeze a few more in

>>15883991
pretty much nothing concrete is known about HLS Starship

>>15883991
So far the SpaceX renders show a regular 3+3 configuration with the 3 smaller nozzles used for steering. Final approach to lunar landing will be done 1+1, leaving 2 other sets as back ups.

>>15883991
>will HLS or Mars Starship skip sea level engines
no, those are the only engines that are thrust vectored on Starship

>>15883991
not the most up to date render but only one that shows engines. legs and solar panels have been redesigned

>>15884011
better resolution

>>15884008
but HLS will have hot gas thrusters. are TVC engines still needed?

>>15884016
yes

>>15884016
>hot gas thrusters
nah

>>15884020
ok, ullage gas thrusters, mr pedantic

>>15883875
i thought the 2nd starship stage had only 3 vacuum engines. does this mean they packed more fuel onboard?

Artemis 2 backup cutie

>>15883887
Is this the same NASA that plans to get to mars in 6 months time on a rocket that doesn't even have a prototype?

>>15884027
Why are 90% of female astronauts ugly? Yummy females should be the only ones allowed, whats the point carrying dead weight if it doesnt look good?

>>15884026
anon I have some bad news...

>>15884027
>cutie

>>15884026
that is not a real pic but v2 starship will probably have more engines, be stretched for more fuel

tweet from 2 years ago talking about 9 engines for starship >>15882996
tweet from earlier today talking about last v1 starships >>15882768 >>15882770
tweet from today talking about v2 having more propellant, being lighter and more reliable >>15883495

>>15884031
They are the top 1% high T women.
Astronaut training selects for masculine traits so they're the only ones that make it

>>15884027
There's no way they would send up a girl that attractive unless they are pairing with a N.
I hate the modern world

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1728163205963211200

>>15884027
she is dreamy

>>15884037
no a real pic in what sense? it looks real to me, but the outside ring of engines seem to be pointing slightly inwards. Is it a video game render? or a photoshop job?

>>15884008
why doesnt it just use the flaps to steer like gridfins?

>>15884027
>cutie
>>15884044
>attractive
Are there boomers posting in my spaceflight general?

>>15884047
you can render 3d graphics in things that aren't video games

>>15884045
This guy is delusional

>>15884048
shut up retard

>>15884047
photoshop i think
https://imgur.com/oTkoU1v
https://twitter.com/TheDenks/status/1472078930903388163

>>15884051
it's not a 3d render, it's a mid tier photoshop. are you a retard?
>>15884048
i dont know, you'd think that would work

>>15883875
I'm glad they are going back to the 6 vac engine design finally. Its by far the sexiest look. The back end of Starship will rival shuttle in sex appeal.

>>15884049
Yes there are boomiepies who cup old space balls and downplay the absolute disaster of the past 50 years in thread right now.

>>15884056
we need a single vectored vacuum engine in the middle. enough of these inefficient sea level fag engines

>>15884056
why does 2nd stage have the less efficient central engines for gimbal? just a matter of compromise, as vacuum engine bells are too large to have enough space to move?

>>15884056
In this configuration there is no room for the center engines to angle outward and light during the staging, so I assume only the vac engines will light during staging?

>>15884064
for landing on Earth

>>15884057
>are you a retard?
yeah
>>15884065
go watch the launch stream again

>>15884062
And you will land how?

>>15883985
they actually wanted to do it before he could select Starship, but you know how slow governments are

>>15884064
Starship doesn't use the vacuum engines to land.

>>15884065
plenty of room and not needed anyway
>>15884071
with the engine

>>15884076
ARE YOU BLACK!?

>>15884084
I am an ally

>>15884031
only Italians should be allowed into space

>>15884110
nordics are better, just need to remove the shorts

>>15884110
as an Italian, I agree

>>15884122
>nordics
>>15884053

>>15884031
Unfortunately, the Japanese are only allowed so many astronaut spots and the Chinese are right out

I don't know what's wrong with the Koreans.

> Steve Jurczyk dead
Wtf bros… well—see you space cowboy, thanks for HLS Starship

>>15884122
women should be banned from wearing pants in space

>>15884046
>blind AND gay
sad

>>15884095
equally disgusting

>>15884045
>33

What is with this fucking jewish evil magic number, getting real tired of seeing it everywhere

>>15884145
number enjoyer bros, should I take my medicine?
it makes me stop seeing the numbers

>>15884145
Also my battery number when I typed this. Very cool.

>>15884129
there's a cute swedish girl i work with, i like her

Can one of you nerds give me a qrd on what happened to starship + booster yet or have you not figured it out?

>>15884140
she's a blind lesbo astronaut??

>Jurczyk is dead
WHAT

>>15884173
boom + boom

>>15884173
We just don't know

>>15884173
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/N1akMdMZrolD-DzikHnY_Q

https://youtu.be/6btgPqRod1c?t=85
>Born October 25, 1935
>Recorded sometime in March 2023
WTF are they feeding this guy?

>>15884189
China is so based

>>15884197
lead + asbestos >> microplastics

>>15884122
imagine slamming that ass in zero g

>>15884173
Superheavy experienced some bad fuel slosh as a result of the hot staging and then leaned a bit too hard into the boost back maneuver. Some Raptors ingested gas and exploded, and that somehow propagated up the fuel lines and RUD'ed the booster. Starship sprung a leak in its LOX tank and when the flight computer saw it wasn't going to be able to make it to Hawaii it blew up the ship. We still don't have any idea what might have caused the leak.

>>15884210
>it occured to me in a dream

>>15884053
>this man can generate extreme frothing at the mouth from anyone on the political spectrum with a mere tweet
i'm honestly jealous of him.

>>15884197
Fucking hell he only looks about 70 and sounds completely lucid

>>15884210
I thought it's pretty much settled that the booster's flight termination system was activated
But why the engine failures? Just a cascading failure due to the roughness of the hot staging?

elon is 52. he will get old and die

>>15883922
SpaceX seems to be serious about trying to do IFT-3 before the end of the year.

>>15884242
not for a while

>>15884247
his usefulness is already waning rapidly

>>15884245
No they arent lmao

>>15884254
Chicom shills at it again.

>>15884242
Thats what I respect about him. He sets insane unreachable deadlines because he understands his own mortality. Zubrin will sadly die before humans land on Mars. And Musk will really be pushing it when it comes to Mars colonization. Everything has to go perfectly and Maybe Musk developes the 18m wide second gen starship by 20 years from now and gets to reture on an early colony. But the most likely outome is that he wont live to see it sadly.

>>15884197
>cosmic birth
ludicrous

>>15884263
I've only made 1 pro-china post all thread

>>15884264
He'll die on Mars, and if need be he will die on impact.

>>15883925
o7

>>15884264
the succession plan has me worried. i dont think he has one

>>15884012
i keep thinking that a rocket that big will just sink in the soft ground of the moon and fall over.

>>15884270
Being pro-China isn't the only way you guys shill. Most of the time it's generally targeted anti-Western sentiments.

>>15884239
That's what I thought at first, but then a lot of people started disagreeing with it. There was a vague twitter consensus towards the explosion possibility, but we're not really going to know for sure until SpaceX puts out something official.

The thrust from the hot staging pushed the booster back. Since that thrust was the only thing keeping the propellant pinned at the bottom of the tanks, it started moving forward. Then the booster leaned over hard into the boost back turn and the prop started crawling right up the walls of the tank. More pushing from being in line with Starship's exhaust may have made this issue worse. All of that combined to expose the fuel intakes and then Raptors started failing shortly after re-ignition. Raptor's a great engine but gas in the turbopumps isn't something that any engine is going to find survivable.

>>15884273
Can I sign up for that today

>>15884283
Very smart pigdog

>>15884287
Millenials like you deserve to live out the Earth hell

>>15884283
Pro-China and anti-US people (like me) love Elon, anti-Elon people are generally pro-US lefties

>>15884292
You wumaou are always so transparent.

>>15884304
lefties hate Elon, the US, and humanity

>>15884304
Have you been living under a rock the last few years?

>>15884281
There certainly isnt one. Noone can replace him. SpaceX is the way that it is because its an example of an absolute monarchy with a competent monarch. All the other launch companies are run by pure oligarchies or at the very best soft monarchies with a very hands off weak monarch, so they naturally become lethargic and parasitic. SpaceX with its power structure is like lightning in a bottle, and if Musks sucessor is indeed an absolute monarch but is incompetent then they will destroy the company in a few short years. The best we can hope for is that one of Musks sons can step up to the plate, but thats extraordinarily unlikely. Sadly the most likely outcome is that once he is gone Musk is seen as this reveered founder, but SpaceX will only pay his ideals lip service and will become an example of oldspace grift, only ever doing what makes financial sense on the near to medium term with their ageing fleet of starships.

>>15884309
i'm from Arizona

>>15884281
he has made a lot of kids to try to find a successor, X is interested in rockets so maybe he works out and has similar drive

>>15884313
boeibg 2.0 with no competition sounds like a nightmare

>>15884313
Normies just dont seem to grasp the concept of a entrepeneur.
Elon is the guy who gets all the right people in one room and steps in to make hard decisions when they can't agree on something.

>>15884155
>Brave browser
based

>>15884189
One of the best write-ups I've seen and the MTL is really impressive.
It was written by an i-Space employee, cool to see that they're excited about it as much as we are

>>15884323
he's a meany poopoo head like trump and make people feel bad!! rrrraaaaawrr!!

>>15884155
>phone poster
Cringe

>>15884189
Is this from the company that did a hopper test a few weeks ago

>>15884313
thats why Mars need to get most of the way towards self sufficiency and perhaps given ownership of SpaceX or something somehow before he dies, so even if SpaceX itself becomes less effective, the multiplanetary mission is achieved

>>15884155
>too stupid to use a clover branch
retard alert

I can tell that you all arent the same group from before IFT-2. Whoever you all are, just know your posts are good and to keep it up.

>>15884335
That's a pretty good idea. The martians have incentive to keep interplanetary travel as cheap as possible

>>15883925
He's a hero.
These haunted eyes saw the future without Starship.

>>15884345
The STS-Constellation-Artemis hundred billion dollars stare

>>15884120
Somehow that ladder seems significantly more ridiculous than the lift. It's just goofy.

>>15884354
It's retarded.
>ok c'mon guys now let's carry 200kg of moon rocks up a three story ladder on our backs
I'm not surprised blorp eventually went to a tanks-on-top architecture.

>>15884242
2050 would he would be 79
Musks father is 77 seems lucid enough, Musk is the richest person in the world so has plenty of access to the best healthcare and medical tech will continue to improve from now until 2050
there is a good chance Musk is still alive in 2050 and beyond

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfN748Z6GVY

>>15884366
its funny how musks arms have gotten bigger the more hes aged

>>15884319
This is why he should have listened to Heinlein and formed a perpetual polygamist group. You just ladder younger spouses and pass leadership that way.

>>15884333
yes

>>15884335
That would be great from an incentives point of view. The only trouble is how do the Martians practically manage a company based on another planet.
The whole Mars colonization thing has got an air of religious zeal around it which some hate, but I think its a good thing, because we need that zeal to get it done. In a good future, the SpaceX leadership remains ideologically driven and people in management need to take at least one trip to Mars and back as some kind of ritual to stick in their mind

>>15884369
He's evolving wings.

>>15884374
I don't think polygamy is very stable, people tend to get jealous

>>15884319
X has got the rocket autism very deeply embedded and he's clearly smart, hopefully Elon can instill the business acumen and first-principles mindset.
>Alright son, you're 25, I'm going to go die on Mars in the colony. The empire is yours now, don't fuck things up.

>>15884384
its going to become a multiplanetary company with operations both on earth and mars
I guess the colony would need to be under US political control for a while though as before Mars actually becomes self sufficient then that really can't be helped
probably going to be a semi-constant problem

>>15884319
what about the tranny son?

>>15884395
Disinherit and it will ack itself soon enough

>>15884395
irrelevant

>>15884384
>pilgrimage to Mars is a mandatory prerequisite for promotion to the C-suite or board of directors of the X Corporation

>>15884394
It's going to get ugly if it happens. Imagine being born on Mars and having to pay taxes to some jews on a whole different fucking planet.

>>15884282
moon is hard actually

https://twitter.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1728196072869146667

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oedjbrmk3Xw

>>15884388
Human civilization has two stable modes: strict monogamy, or polygyny with differentiated ranks for female partners (not every woman is a wife) and eunuchs (troons).

>>15884384
It's the endgame of corporate feudalism. Companies will begin to compensate employees with untaxable perks rather than taxable currency, so they'll begin to value loyalty and internal promotion over bringing in mercenary outsiders. Company housing, company childcare, company store, company cafeteria. Positions will pass down bloodlines. They will gradually become more and more ideologically insular. Corporate mission statements become personal credos become holy scripture. Eventually, the true believers take the corporation private, freeing it from outside influence.

>>15884419
https://twitter.com/Ringwatchers/status/1728196852586090551

https://ringwatchers.com/article/s25-b9-updates

>>15884426
https://twitter.com/Ringwatchers/status/1728197060518928840

>>15884239
>I thought it's pretty much settled
>it occured to me in a dream
>>15884284
>twitter consensus
kill yourself

Is Starship V2 gonna further delay the HLS development timeline?

https://twitter.com/Ringwatchers/status/1727052457560183261
> Raptor Diagram #6 | 21st November, 2023 | "We're going to need a 4th one of these soon..."

https://ringwatchers.com/diagrams/raptor-diagrams/6

https://twitter.com/Ringwatchers/status/1727055609738973218
> They are all raptor 2's on here. When spacex started producing raptor 2's they started back at 1.

are there more pictures available from ift-1 like this?

>>15884443

>>15884445
I wonder if they have scrapped a bunch or if they are just in storage somewhere

>>15884447

https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1728127837771821212

https://twitter.com/TrevorMahlmann/status/1728099382438793288

>>15884460

>>15884462

>>15884466

>>15884282
>>15884418
imagine if everything else that landed on the moon just got lucky and some places actually have hundreds of feet of lightly packed dust

>>15884229
>an angel appeared to me in a dream and told me it was okay to just make shit up and lie about it

>>15884242
you first!

Why isn’t NASA doing a CLPS like program for Mars? Is it feasible?

>>15884394
I hate feds so goddamn much

>>15884287
Sure, bro. You don't even need to go to Mars.

>>15884476
cislunar economy is more practical, sustainable, and important in the short term

>>15884471
I am going to sift it for ores

>>15884444
quads checked and hello newfriend.
this is a frame from the WB-57 video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4934afDhM2c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOvrIzxVbyg

>>15884313
>Noone can replace him
that makes no sense
he's even older

>>15884476
getting to the moon is much easier and thus cheaper and landing on the moon is easier because lower gravity and no atmosphere
its just a lower hanging fruit for rover missions and the like

>>15884471
apollo had a contingency for this IIRC

>>15884419
N

>>15884486
webm. Looking back, how the FUCK did Starship get away with this?

I got my patch. it is smaller than the first one

>>15884494
kek

>>15884284
If you look at the video frame by frame I'm pretty sure the explosion starts right at the same place the FTS was installed at which really makes me think it was FTS and not some random explosion

>>15884495
sturdy

>>15884495
she's a fat overweight hog

>>15884505
she's just curvy, aerodynamic if you will

>>15884496
Bugs me that the flame isnt porple

>>15884496
cool

>>15884476
>military starships
finally a response to the ayy menace

>>15884490
>landing on the moon is easier because lower gravity and no atmosphere
The lack of atmosphere actually makes it harder because you can't aerobrake.

>>15884495
>1970-01-01
epoch fail

>>15884528
you need a bit more deltaV but I would argue its easier overall
on mars you need elaborate systems

>>15884495
Build like brick shithouse.

>>15884495
nippon steel folded 1000 times

>>15884495
rocket stronk

>>15884523
more like, time for ODSTs

>>15884528
aerobreaking on Earth and Venus is easy because you can do final landing with parachutes and buoyancy respectively
Mars makes aerobreaking harder because you still need to land propulsively, which turns everything into either an acrobatic flippy dance or a rube goldberg machine

>>15884494
I

>>15884551
G

>>15884545
This but unironically

>>15884494
>>15884551
>>15884558
We did it reddit!

>>15884559
I thought this was graffiti under a bridge by the thumbnail

https://twitter.com/cb_doge/status/1728212972093288780

>>15884563

>>15884560
Did what?

>>15884566
"It"

>>15884564
the eternal bureucrats

>>15884564
whats he talking about 'it worked'?
He abandoned memesat launchers as soon as NASA gave him enough money

>>15884558
G
(3 minutes until it starts)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oedjbrmk3Xw

>>15884570
it did work didn't it? one successful launch
the article mentions a bigger version of Falcon as well

>>15884564
God he looks ugly

>>15884563
>it worked
No, it exploded three times lmfao this guy

>>15884572
the whole angle musk was going with in that talk was saying small memelaunchers are good and rideshare is bad, when rideshare is exactly what worked so well for lowering memesat cost to space

>>15884571
lol

BUY THE STAGE0 TSHIRTS GOY

>>15884571
E

>20 refuelings for a lunar lander
>boiloff
Bezos bros were right.
But I guess NASA is even more interested in not landing.

>>15884496
Are these a 4chan made thing?

>>15884558
A

>>15884583
R

>>15884588
yeah, but spacex liked my design
https://shop.spacex.com/collections/trending/products/starship-flight-2-mission-patch

SpaceX will be able to do landings without SLS/Orion, but will Blue Origin have that capability?

>>15884596
of course, they can dock to starship

>>15884495
Failure to disconnect created a uniform surface area 400ft long, which made it harder for it to breakup.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1728215732784382087

>>15884606
Er, where did he get our meme from bros?

>>15884610
he is the guy constantly ironyposting about how good blue origin is

>>15884610
he’s in these threads. Has been for ages

>>15884610
it wasnt our meme. we stole it from xeeter

>>15884495
world record largest blunt
420 y'alls

ITS OVER.
am i hearing this right, they have to pump C02 into the engine bay in order to not have the engines explode?

>>15884620
pretty damning, and yeah it's true. dumped all my spacex stock when i heard

>>15884620
its over

>>15884620
TELL ME IT AINT TRUE. IM SHAKING.

CSI wanted for one of the engines explode during IFT-2 lol

>>15884628
they only didn't explode because they were pumping 15x the amount of c02 down there. it's over. half the payload is c02 at this point.

>>15884633
this is crazy and horrifying

>>15884620
are you implying there is something wrong with this?

>>15884633
just have to yolo it without any shielding so there are no places for methane gas to concentrate for the MOX bombs

>>15884620
>>15884633
This black guy is just making shit up lmao

https://twitter.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1728230679513641108

>>15884620
Two carbon atoms??

>>15884639
oh hi musk.

>makes a rocket that explodes without copius amounts of CO2

>IFT-2 made for less posts than IFT-1 or Crew Demo-2
grim....

>>15880921
>bezos employing the same cheap chinky knockoff and intellectual property theft tricks for rockets that he got rich by using at amazon.
one trick pony

>>15884395
>trannyism is "I hate my dad" the disease
funni

>>15884645
ZOG is in the process of rolling out another fake pandemic for the upcoming election year on the same timeline that they started in 2019 for the 2020 election, maybe that will help /sci/ break it's record for posts per day

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MHtqqzPuiSw

referring to IFT-1 I think

>>15884595
>israel
what the FUCK

Super Heavy's braap trail (greenish brown) was a bit distasteful desu.

Maybe it will look better in overhead light instead of a sunrise.

Do Mexicans drive the red line up the beach to get to the viewing point, or is the green line navigable?

>>15884672
You don't want to go there, its cartel territory

Future of American medium/heavy/superheavy lift, am I missing any?

Seems kinda crazy to have all this launch capacity, and they will all be launching by 2025

>>15884674
So many fucking pussies on /sfg/. Go back you weak flimsy faggot

>>15884672
You can probably hitch a ride, lots of friendly people

>>15884677
Risking getting beheaded do you can watch a launch 500m closer, lmao

>>15884684
Higher chance of that happening on the American side. The only American to die anywhere around Matamoros in the last few years was a dumb nigger

>>15884676
>they will all be launching by 2025
Lol no

>>15884686
Oh yeah Terran R is 2026

>>15884684
They apologized

Is there even a market for MLV? On the payload podcast the CEO of firefly said it will be reusable, just not initially

>>15884691
why are you calling it MLV? are they not calling it Antares anymore?

>>15884684
it's safe

Scott manley was wrong, yet again.

>>15884697
All those people got their heads cut off

>>15884701
I just don't like it when someone has a better view of the launch than me, okay?!

>>15884697
what is this potato quality

>>15884701
naturally

>>15884703
befriend an ocelot and have it sneak you into the wetlands around starbase

>>15884703
a reddit thread was linked here before IFT 1 and everyone was practically begging OP not to go to Mexico. it did strike me as jealousy, not actual fear for their safety. reminiscent of the covid mandates and social pressure. Everydayastronaut put out a video about boca chica and what to expect, and even in that he was like "dont even think about going to the mexican side". It all boils down to jealousy basically. every photographer knows the views are better there, but they're all fucking pussies

lots of people cross the border daily without problems

>>15884715
they're called mexicans

>>15884715
look at all these people not wearing masks, not a care in the fucking world. ok guys but youre killing grandma
https://youtu.be/y3QwlKOO1p4

>>15884709
Death to tiles

3 weeks until IFT-3

>>15884620
Simply use the exhaust products from the engines to fill the engine bay.

>>15884645
Starship is now routine.

>>15884721
no that can’t be right. perhaps off by a week?

>>15884726
1 week per every IFT

>>15884645
ONLY ON X

IFT-3 just flew over my house

>>15884736
gross, an earther

>>15884615
He's one of the guys who always stage early.

>>15884645
It was stupidly early. I had to get up at 4am to watch.

t. west coast

>>15884620
>>15884639
newfags go back

What ever happened to the Stratolaunch space plane?

>>15884752
i've been here for so very long

>>15884756
being redesigned for QI thrusters

>>15884695
The Antares 330 uses the MLV's first stage with the A230's Castor 30XL upper stage. The MLV replaces the Castor with a more civilized liquid fueled stage.

>>15884245
They are also serious about boots on Mars by 2022

>>15883960
>from pancreatic cancer
Dood how you even croak from this basic bitch cancer. He must have denied all treatment

>>15884784
I never said "serious" was a synonym for "achievable."

>In preparation for NASA’s launch of SpaceX Starship, a 437th Airlift Wing C-17 Globemaster III cargo aircraft is loaded with life-saving rescue equipment in preparation for a NASA’s launch of SpaceX Starship at Joint Base Charleston, South Carolina, Aug. 23, 2023. In the event of a non-nominal launch, an alert crew would employ the equipment to rescue astronauts and retrieve them from capsules.
https://www.dvidshub.net/image/7991070/jb-charleston-prepares-nasas-spacex-launch

>>15884784
Spacex is a fraud confirmed

Oh my god

>>15884791
Lolwut. Are they talking about Crew Dragon doing an abort?

>>15884796
no clue. I just noticed the descriptions are slightly different under each image in the gallery.

>Personnel from various bases and DoD agencies undergo specific training to collaborate and provide support for NASA and SpaceX missions in the event of potential complications.
>Should SpaceX experience a non-nominal launch, a rescue mission will originate from JB Charleston, carrying out an overwater airdrop to ensure the safety of the capsule and its crew.
> In the event of a non-nominal launch, an alert crew would employ the equipment to rescue astronauts and retrieve them from capsules.

>>15884795
Just two African Americans jiving with each other

>>15884813
shut up elon

>>15884672
how do you have the presence of mind to look at the map but not switch to satellite imagery?

>>15884697
this looks like DALL-E generated it but I know that the scene itself is real, I'm going insane

>>15884830
mexican cameras are about 20-30 years behind

>>15884830

>>15884840
everyone's so fucking fat

>>15884842
post body

Day 51 of the Project Kuiper era.

>>15884795
i geniunely wonder if Elon actually watched the full thing, its 50min long, man is addicted to twitter, and zack can be slight cringe at times. saying this cause hes got one of the most unique and technical perspectives and insights of all the starship youtubers so he's worth watching without distraction imo, every episode is so godamn information dense, desu I even take it 30 min at a time

>>15884858
shit I guess I answered me own question, prolly takes breaks inbetween too

>>15884760
>talk about the cool sexy space suit with unusually great range of motion
>0 demonstration of it's feasibility
>fund your speech on the """concept""" by doing speeches on the """concept"""
>grift continues for 15 fucking years
>people eat it up every time

It's all so tiresome

>>15884861
my neighbor looks like the professor lady and i fucked my neighbor

so what exactly was the reason the booster RUDed ?
was it the fuel sloshin around, resulting in massive radial forces against the walls of booster, or the valves getting fucked because of sudden stop of flow ?

>>15884866
it was

>>15884870
damn, ULA snipers candlejacked hi-

>>15884035
space adds like 5 points

>>15884495
Traditional American engineering
Everything is overbuilt which makes things rather sturdy even if made of shitty materials and operating in adverse conditions.

Starship really does remind me of just any 60/70s American vehicle. You know the V8/straight 6 inside is made out of relative garbage, it's heavy, inefficient but doesn't care about the garbage oil you haven't changed in a year and doesn't grenade itself.

>>15884840
What the fuck is she looking at?

>>15884858
Sounds like endless speculation for hour.

>>15884890
Forgot pic

>>15884893
she's watching the stream asshole

>>15884894
But the rocket is the other way

>>15884899
...well i'll be

>>15884883
Also a focus on being big enough to carry people and their shit comfortably. Riding a Russian capsule is low grade torture.

my theory is the deluge/diverter actually did nothing. in reality, the quicker throttle up without loitering on the pad was the real reason the pad remained in good condition

ITS deserves a do over

>>15884943
Looks like Starship is evolving back to ITS, only thing left to do is to make it fatter.

>>15884956
it would never get off the pad. come back when raptor 6 drops

>>15884943
She was so beautiful bros...

>>15884239
>>15884210
its a split between flight termination and RUD on its own. The uniform way the booster dissasembled without majory pieces seems to indicate a command termination

both stages inbetween do have over 200-300 kilos of explosives strapped to them

>>15884964
the black person confirmed FTS

>>15884858
wasnt this the doomer dooming on about how its going to take years before the olm is fixed back in april?

>>15884795
He said good video. if he really liked it he would have said great video.

>>15884892
>>15884860
>>15884860

I just skip though to parts that are most interesting to me.

>>15884956
and add big legs to the upper stage for landing on rough surfaces

>>15884674
cartel crash test dummies are not there you giant homo. They mostly operate where the narco routes are which certainly aint going through boca chica

>>15884974
The legs will have to happen anyways

>>15884977
no

is Moonraker a good space flick

>>15884975
>Starbase, Boca Chica becomes a nexus for cross-border and interplanetary crime
Kino

>>15884981
How is it landing on moon or mars

>>15884986
there are smarter people than me can figure it out

SpaceX is an isekai.
>there is another world, possibly with catgirls
>truck-kun drags the ships to the pad and the astronauts to the ships
>Elon is a weeb

>>15884991
elon musk is obi wan kenobi

there is something about /sfg/ that screams to me "diarrhea diarrheaaa" over and over in my mind and i cant get it the fuck out

>>15885008
It's either that one part from the Moon Base Alpha video or you're Indian and that word is just the background noise of your brain

>>15885013
mama mia, papa pia. you might be right

aeiou

>>15884648
The "hate dad" part came after Musk took a dive into right wing politics after his came out as trans. Musk blames liberals for corrupting his kid and his kid hates him for reacting that way.

>>15885031
troons are idiots by definition

clear is a troon but you guys accept him

>>15884830
SAVE ME NIGGERMAN!!!

>>15885046
>but you guys accept him
No I just got tired of telling vtuber-autismos to go away, and now I ignore them like you're supposed to do

>hls starship will be made from aluminium not stainless steel
it's OVER.

>>15885046
I do not

the fact that hls requires a complete redesign is embarrassing. ITS would have bene able to do the lunar landing on the base model. god I miss that rocket.

>>15884748
He just wants to show off his rocking beach bod and yet we keep rejecting him.

>>15885059
Where is this information from
If you say el deuce I will post fumos at you

>>15885059
not true.

>>15885095
You should post fumos anyway.

>>15885059

>>15885108
No I'm trying to sleep

>>15884242
Joe Biden is 81 and is still the US president. Musk will be fine.

>>15884315

>20 launches in rapid succession
What is "rapid"?
Does this niggr Elon not know that either you have 20 pads ready and launch at the same time, or you have to wait 24h between one launch and the next until the orbital plane of the target passes above the launch site?

>>15884970
better version

>>15884943
what a wrong chart
>2019-2023
lmao, current starship shape was already being made in 2020

>>15885149
Twice a day actually. Although I think Boca Chica is heavily limited in available inclinations so you're right in that case. Three launch opportunities per day with Florida and Boca Chica

>>15885179
Don't forget that they also need shitloads of fuel

>>15885149
>only 20 pads
oh ye of small mind

>>15885149

I've been running some deltaV numbers, and you could probably make a pretty decent 'core to orbit' 1.5 stage reusable system using falcon heavy.
The side boosters would land themselves and you could put some kind of wing system on the core stage, like the energia concepts.

Ideally you would use less Merlin engines on the core, possibly with slightly expanded nozzles for higher vacuum ISP, there is considerable excess thrust with 9 engines and no second stage.

Figures are around 40tons excess mass total (on top of the 20t core dry mass) that can be split between reusability hardware and payload.
You could maybe cut 5 tons or so off the baseline core dry mass by removing landing legs and engines, to help cover re-entry hardware.
I'd assume somewhere around 20 tons fully re-usable.


Over all methalox would probably be a better setup for this kind of architecture, as kerolox is heavy for a second stage and with a common propellant you can keep the same cross feed capability.
But nevertheless seems like it could be done using a lot of falcon heavy hardware.

>>15885235
Methane is a good sweet spot between kerosene and hydrogen, in terms of isp and density. Plus you get the commonality and less coking. Literally BUILT for reusability.

>40tons excess mass total (on top of the 20t core dry mass)
Shuttle/Buran was like 100 tons empty with all the wings and shit. And Starship is 80-100t and that's just a metal tube. It would be hard to get your upper stage mass low enough.

>>15884991
nah it's time travel

>>15885196
>Don't forget that they also need shitloads of fuel
that's kind of the point

>>15885289
it's a big part of what makes spaceplanes heavier than regular rockets like starship. you're adding a ton of mass just be be able to handle all the aerodynamic regimes an aircraft needs to, which means not just the wings, the entire spacecraft has to be reinforced, anything thats not just a metal cylinder under pressure going directly up or down is going to be significantly heavier.

>>15885289
If starship is 100-150 tons empty that would make it about 10% dry mass (funnily enough that's about the same as a normal Hydrolox stage like centaur or the Saturn 1B).
That would mean a 40-45 ton dry mass on a falcon 9 core stage, bear In mind though that higher prop density of kerosene and aluminium construction could make it a little bit lower.

The fineness of the falcon 9 stage would be a disadvantage Vs starship however as it helps to be blunt for Re-entry.
However the the long length could also allow a side mounted payloads.

Fuck all space companies besides SpaceX. NASA should give their entire budget to the Starship program immediately.

>>15885326
what would that acheive? spacex needs government permission, not government money.

>>15885326
proof? where is chinas super heavy lift launch vehicle? im waiting.

>>15885332
spacex does need government money. why do you think they cancelled red dragon when nasa pulled funding?

>>15885336
because their customer pulled out? Spacex could rely on starlink and transporter missions for funding, if they needed to.

>>15885225
Not anymore, it's gentle missionary sex, as God intended.

>>15885326
Chinks cant even permantly man their own spacestation in orbit.
How are they going to have a moonbase in 7 years?
Are these people delusional?

>>15885326
That's what happens when not even NASA cares about human spaceflight.
>>15885352
You're the one being delusional. China has already leapfrogged Russia, a country with decades of experience. If it wasn't for SpaceX, they would have surpassed NASA too.

>>15885326
The chink boogeyman is good for SpaceX

>>15884197
>astronauts are chads who stay healthy into old age
shocking.

>>15885342
so they need a paying customer to ever go to mars?

>>15885354
Leapfrogged russia in what way?
By building a space station?
Russians did that the 80's.

>>15883927
>NASA testing schizo meme technologies that break known laws of physics
where did it all go wrong?

>>15884676
the only one of them that's gonna launch in 2025 is falcon 9

>>15884045
Starship would be better if it had 100 smaller engines.

>>15885368
wtf has nasa got to do with it?

>>15885366
more like russia tripping over itself and falling down
they can't make space hardware without holes drilled by drunkards, and engines that THROOST when they shouldn't
they still have yet to come to terms with the fact that they are no longer an empire

>>15884242
he WILL retire on Mars

>>15885372
Yes.

>>15885365
>Company needs paying customer to do thing

No way, shocking turn of events

>>15885336
Because of politics and JPL

>>15884242
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l7MPQ14OEk

>>15884281
We are making clones of Elon as we speak

>>15885379
I AGREE. so SpaceX needs government money.

>>15885379
They dont, it will make it politically easier to give credit to NASA though and some extra mo ey and expertise wont hurt
But they dont strictly need it
Starlink is about to become a cash cow

>>15884284
>The thrust from the hot staging pushed the booster back. Since that thrust was the only thing keeping the propellant pinned at the bottom of the tanks, it started moving forward.
>Booster exploded because rocket scientists forgot to take Newton's 3rd law into account

>>15885384
Yeah, tranny shit and Raytheon funds should be reallocated

>>15885386
its embarassing.

>>15884462
>Jesus Christ ascends to heaven, year 33 AD (Colorized)

>>15885390
List of boosters landed by anyone else

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>>15884476
NASA is already out of funds, such a program would require the cancelation of MSR

>>15885390
not easy status: it is

>>15885366
USSR space program >>> Modern Russian space program.

blue origin? more like purple beginning.

>>15885386
Sounds like this could be fixed by making sure that the booster keeps its upward momentum during staging. Don't know how difficult that is, though.

>>15885059
aluminum is an inferior metal. Just a few days ago I was cutting aluminium with a steel saw like it's fucking butter!!!

>>15885326
I hope this triggers another space race to build a lunar base

>>15885403
Actually the solution could be quite simple, don't turn off so many engines next time they hot stage.

>>15884893
Nice dress, she cute

>>15885386
>>15885403
>>15885413
If you have too much thrust the ship doesn't get off or recontacts destroying both.
They were likely being conservative so that at least they can keep the ship.

>>15885440
You're hilarious coming up with this weapons grade copium. keep going!

>>15884122
>>15884137
>>15884208
Finally good discussion in /sfg/

>>15885468

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDO7SIyTbzk

>>15885528
maybe i'm a psychopath, but i think it would be cool to use this for executions.
just have the entire engine bay horizontal on a gimbal and just have people line up in front of it, make it sweep left to right and poof, criminals gone.

>>15885372
Raptor's at an optimal size for power to weight ratios and there's not a lot of area to recover that isn't already going towards nozzles unless you make the engines gratuitously, excessively small, and that'd severely compromise thrust.

>>15885544
i'd say power to weight is less important than power to volume desu.
raptors are super compact for the thrust they put out.

>>15885552
are you drunk?

I wonder if SpaceX is not releasing footage on board due to not wanting to give ammunition to people trying to stop them (like people filing lawsuits, lobbiers from other companies trying to slow them down, oldspace, musk haters etc)?
and then after Starship is flying pretty regularly and not having many failures, they can release most of it
they are much more open than spaceflight companies in general which is good for the fans but also gives more info to anti-spacex or anti-space whatever people which might result in slow downs
for instance, didn't SpaceX originally want to do a powerplant on site, get a pipe directly from brownsville for natural gas for the powerplant + a propellant plant cleaning this natural gas for purer methane + even doing their own liquid oxygen, nitrogen, co2 whatever on site
but they cut those because it would have increased the enviromental assessment and that was probably partly due to ESG hound and others whining about it so much

>>15885559
if raptors were the same weight, but BE4 sized, how would you fit them under the current diameter? you would have to make some wider base just for them or more likely make the stack much fatter

>>15885569
Now I'm wondering, did it even have onboard cameras?

>>15885559
what i'm saying is the weight is less important than the amount of space the engines take up on the bottom of the booster. more space per engine means less engines.

>>15885574
IFT 1 had them, it would be incredibly weird for them not to have it considering the way they are testing it.

>>15885352
>Are these people delusional?
nope they are just doomposting to gauge more resources and permissions from the rattled politicians and bureaucrats that have, at best, superficial understanding of realistic capacities

>>15885571
starship would be better if it were wider. its only so thin as a residual trait from the massive downgrade from ITS to starship 1.0 back when they were using carbon fiber.

>>15885326
implessive...

>>15885366
>Leapfrogged russia in what way?
by having consistent access to space even if its just ancient sojuz knock offs

>>15885571
To make an informative reference point, this is seven Raptor nozzles overlayed on the nozzle of a Space Shuttle SRB.
A five segment SRB produces ~16 MN
Seven Raptor 2s produce ~15.8 MN

>>15885592
maybe, but then you have even more space for engines