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Nothing ever happens…

>YOU VILL LIVE IN ZE CAGE FOREVER

>>15699851
>Nothing ever happens…
happens just slower than expected. tptb are afraid of any new tech spiraling out of control. haven't you been paying attention with the whole AI hysteria?

>>15699865
I will never see this RTSC technology within my lifetime
>ai
Self-aware ai is still hundreds of years away. Nobody cares about good simulations, it is a one-trick pony. It has no uses beyond entertainment as of right now

>>15699810
They tried but the soi attention backfired hilariously and the cringe became too big to hide.

It's over.

All the fudding everywhere actually made me reconsider it. As far as I can tell there are three possibilities for LK99.

1. It was a double scam. The korean scientists didn't know what they had and were bullshitting superconductivity for more funding and the excolleague who was out of the loop was pissed at them so he exposed their "discovery" via publishing. Though, this scenario is unlikely because why would the angry colleague attach his own name to it if it was fake or if he wasn't sure it was legit?

2. LK99 is some weird new material with very unique properties that the original team has mistaken for being a superconductor. Ex colleague didn't want to miss out on credit.

3. It's real, and the Koreans are keeping the actually useful recipes a secret because they aren't retarded. They have zero incentive to reveal the recipe until they sort out their deals. Especially if it's even somewhat simple to manufacture as they have let on then. Anyone in a country that doesn't care about international intellectual rights would jump at this to make billions before the Koreans get a head start at their own RTSC industry. In case you didn't already know, filing a patent doesn't really protect your idea from being stolen in the real world. Especially a game changer discovery like this where every government will be using cheaply made RTSCs to improve their country's infrastructure and defense. No doubt companies and governments are still experimenting with LK99 processes trying to crack the secret Korean one. Hence the overly in your face FUD campaign trying to convince everyone that the story is over.

>>15699885
4. It had ferromagnetic impurities causing it to become weakly magnetized and it's over

>>15699885
>>15699891
they measured the noisefloor of the voltmeter. whatever it is it should be superconductive. and there's that whole DFT sim where they found something common to superconductors. there's more stuff pointing to it being a new type of superconductor with the 1D thing. which would make it harded to properly measure, or even figure out. just imagine some retarded pseud kicking away RTSC because he was too fucking dumb to figure it out lol. imagine failing that way, fuck

>>15699891
Does that magnetic effect remain after the other magnet has been removed? Wouldn't the current within a superconductor induced by the external magnetic field also produce a magnetic field? Since the material has an assymetrical crystalline structure it wouldn't circulate as thought in an entirely superconducting material, but would still oppose the external magnetic field in a specific direction.

>>15699908
not that anon but what I got out of it was that the 1d channels are randomly connected in the rock, and they form some loops, but not enough for full effect.
the whole 1d thingie can be one of those small fineprints which change a fuckload, as far as dealing with the material goes.

>>15699810
>So was it covered up?

All they need for proof is a sample.
No sample, no room temperature superconductor.
No reputable testing lab has been given a sample.
The bullshit meter is ringing on this one!

>>15699976
is there no korean reputable lab? do you think their whole country would lie? but that would be kinda retarded.
I think there's asian online places where there's more details but nobody is updating us here.

>>15699885
It's basically #3. The apatite does contain superconducting material in the matrix. The Koreans actually think the reports are good because it removes competitors.

https://v.daum.net/v/20230820105700783

The review report of the journal paper will arrive soon, and we are preparing rebuttals.

Regarding question 1, the Nature article is a compilation of the experiences of researchers who have not seen superconductivity. Do not listen. Our paper demonstrates superconductivity.

Same for question 2. They haven't seen the sign of superconductivity yet, so they should try harder.

Researchers are in too much of a hurry. Just wait a little bit.

For example, it took me about 2 years to verify my MIT (Metal Insulator Transition) research. And during my PhD program, we tried to make crystals according to the recipe published in the journal paper, and it took two of us a year and a half to succeed even though we made samples every day. You'll have to wait some more. It has not been even a month yet.

There is a room temperature superconducting phase in LK-99. Now things are too heated, we need to cool down a bit. So these reports are rather good for us.

Thank you.

>>15699810
Most of you are just grossly misinformed.

LK99 is actually moving pretty fast. But it's slower than tiktok or next day results. Those in the know are working and waiting for results right now. There is no doubt that there is stuff to LK99 to investigate quite intensely. But, well, you don't want to get people's hopes up- there's no advantage in trying to jump ahead of the process. Anything that you say early, you know, it can be confusing, mistrusted, etc.

Right now we only even have theories on what we're seeing. I have to emphasize this. The whole 1D channels is just a theory, it's not like we've been able to directly SEE that, doing so takes a lot more effort. That effort is happening right now. It is not yet time to be dismissive.

There's groups of Chinese researchers at work as we speak by their own admission attempting to work around the patent restrictions, literally giving daily summary updates to Chinese netizens.
https://www.zhihu.com/column/c_1670928545139486720

>>15699810
LMAO, a truly useful ambient temperature superconductor would use gold, silver, copper or lots of mercury like flying saucers do.

>>15700043
Imagine believing the chinese would give a shit about western patents to work around them.

>>15699810
how does it just float like that?

>>15700056
a truly useful rtsc would be fucking cheap and made from not even shit. there's a reason quartz is used for semiconductors. that shit's cheap
the most useful rtsc is the cheapest one, manufacturing included.

>>15700042
I still haven't seen a non-hoax sample that floats without part of it touching the ground. It's over

>>15700094
it's not a requirement that it not touch
you can just measure it with SQUID or STS

>>15700105
I want the rock to float

>>15700109
Yeah I want my desk toy that I don't have to top off with liquid helium too.
It will come anon.
Habeeb it.

>>15700068
The Koreans hate the Chinese
They would make their life hell as far as trade if they outright copied their first nobel prize winning invention

>>15699810
If this discovery was actually legit, then it would put many companies out of business.

>>15700185
It would make companies even more successful as they adopt LK-99

>>15700194
This. Most success comes from good timing. If a company becomes obsolete due to new tech then that's that. Adapt or die

>>15700275
ye but those who can't adapt they just screech for as much as possible.

>>15699988
>is there no korean reputable lab?
Name it and show that it examined this sample and has concluded it is a room temperature superconductor.

well...

sound of crickets

>>15700301
you kinda moved the goalpost anon. the assertion was that no reputable lab got original sample. now we move from receiving original sample to confirmed?

>>15700310
>moved the goalpost

Dude!, it does not take more than ONE day to confirm a superconductor!

>>15700420
Yeah!, It does not take more than ONE day to confirm a superconductor!
*eats Cheetos and hits bong*

>>15699810
No, it was debunked by Science Sleuths. Don't you read Nature?

>>15700560
It was "debunked" by superconductor "experts" that magically appeared after LK-99 was announced.

>>15699885
4. it is real, but was meant to be classified. The korean leaked it because he knew they will be told to be silent about it, and he didn't like it.
>>15699891
Ferromagnets can't levitate.

>>15701133
>Ferromagnets can't levitate.
They can when touching (so not real levitation but you get the idea).

>>15699871
>It has no uses beyond entertainment as of right now
Politicians and the public service are heavily abusing it, start looking for digital artefacts in local council websites, look for ChatGPT in the Department of Underwater Basketweaving's latest 50 page policy document. Its all over.

Education is fucked too, whether it be lazy teachers pumping out lesson plans to students cheating. Unless the school is well off and can afford to pay for all the programmes to catch this shit out, which isn't many schools, then the whole AI stuff has become deeply embedded.

>>15701206
>pay for all the programmes to catch this shit out

AI detection has been a massive failure, OpenAI has given up on their AI detection tool. Especially if you go through the output and sweeten it up there is literally no way to tell. If a school kicks you out for allegedly using AI you have a killer lawsuit on your hands.

>>15701217
To expand on this, a pretty prestigious university in my country said

>we have a bunch of papers we suspect were generated using AI, come forward and you can redo it, nothing will happen. But if you don't we will be using our "AI detection tool" to find you out. No one ever voluntarily came forward and they got called on their bluff because no one was kicked out.

>>15701185
Show examples.

>>15701206
>ChatGPT
Did they let it write the verdict for the girl who got a life sentence for crashing into a wall?

>>15701268
I just did.
Those sharks are magnetic "levitation" toys (only their nose is touching).

>>15701283
Nothing like that is visible on your stupid photo.

>>15701288
Ok, same shit here (motor is just a "bonus", it works with magnets alone): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9btAYsAuxWQ

>>15701295
he's talking about above a single field. not within an array of fields or some sort of containment.

>>15701295
There is no way it's real. Why does it spin?

LK-99 is fake and anyone who thinks otherwise is a complete retard. You are all on copium. South Koreans are lying so that the get grand money. That's it. That or they're just amateur and are actually this stupid. Either way it's bunk. Everyone already tested this shit and got nothing. Just shut the fuck up.

>>15701311
>Everyone already tested this shit
What did they test?

>>15699810
Still waiting of proof of concept... news to some but not to most.

>>15701206
I was actually using ChatGPT to learn while studying but it keeps giving me the wrong information so I stopped using it

>>15701311
This is anti-scientific debasement. There's nothing normal or skeptical by your kind of posting. Full of misinformation, lies, and insults.

>>15701311
Amazing, you are literally reminding me of the nvidia fanboys on /v/. The ridiculing and disparaging language, the dismissive attitude, it's all there. Good job.

>>15699885
>very unique properties
ah yes, regular magnetism, very unique

>>15701728
Sorry chud. It's SUPERIONIC. Very unique. The science is settled.
https://nitter.net/plasmon/status/1695282030869651592#m