/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15501997
You fucked it up, you fag.
>>15501989
Huh?

so why did they abort the spin prime?

>>15502017
They didn't have a prime number of engines.

>Vulcan will launch before Starship reaches orbit
sad

>>>/wsg/5139392
Important Clear update.

Launch wheeeeeeeennnnnn?

>>15502042
T-2 months.

>>15502042
kys horse fucker

>>15502052
Be the change you want to see in the world <|^:)

>>15502042
vampires > horses

>>15502052
Ponies will outlast the furfags and anime fags. In the far distant future when countless humans populate the stars, wars will not be fought over religion, money, or ideology, but over the canon of pony.
>>15502055
Vampire horses?

>>15501958
>Why would they be different?

Starlink will have around 4x as many satellites as Kuiper.

>>15502042

>>15501997
someone get the fucking previous right

previous: 15498553

>>15501997

previous; >>15498553

>>15502042
qt3.14

HULLO
>say it back

it back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n_Ae9DGC0U
post space related music

>>15501997
damn did the aliens beam the rocket down?

>>15502189
the one and only https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CTYymbbEL4

>>15502189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv6RbEOlqRo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca6jh9Kny0w

Goodbye Sweet Child

Im gonna ask hervto dinner tomorrow

>>15502030
FUCKING ADORABLE AAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>15502042
god i miss poneyposts

>>15502285
But you're replying to one right now.

>>15502295
i used to be THE GUY

https://twitter.com/peterrhague/status/1669215205673385984

>>15502315
https://twitter.com/CaseyDreier/status/1668769445567954944

> These are the consequences of a 22% cut to NASA. The House proposal, absent politically unlikely spending clawbacks of other programs, could be upwards (or greater than) 30%:

>>15502315
oh noooooo how will fund the STEMniggers now?????????

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/06/for-the-first-time-in-decades-congress-seems-interested-space-based-solar-power/

>>15502347
https://twitter.com/FelixSchlang/status/1667056505491685376

> Uninterruptible renewable energy, anyone? Yes, please ! A groundbreaking achievement in space-based solar power has been made. Here's a What About It !? - Wonders thread to keep you updated:

this guy is a bit obnoxious but the tread is relevant

>>15502315
>commerce-justice-science
>justice
Justice for what?

>>15502347
>tfw hacking the jeetware on the microwave death ray and use it to indiscriminately fry energy grids around the world for the lulz

>>15502370
space software is ITAR, no H-1B jeets

>>15502369
Justice for George Floyd

>>15502347
>>15502359
Space based solar is the huge fucking retard. Like yeah OK spend gorillions of dollars to launch all those panels, ancillary microwave/laser/whatever transmitters, rcs and guidance systems, etc... plus all the groundside hardware, dealing with leftoid retards seething about it and cockblocking you with regulations, the list goes on. Why the FUCK would you not just put idk back of napkin maths for the same cost, like ten times the amount of panels in Nevada or some other desert shithole location???

she ,could be the one bros

>>15502375
>Boeing has entered the room

>>15502317
>Further, it would potentially delay the U.S. landing of the first woman and person of color on the Moon
Oh no, not the heckin' PoC's.

>>15502380
If this means more launches, I'm all for it

>>15502389
OK yeah fair I'll agree with that

>>15502315
>>15502317
NASA is pointless. Space Force has a larger budget.

>>>/k/58575660
well /sfg/?

>>15502400
Cool, they can use it to buy 100k toilets and 10k gay pride flags

>>15502408
Go back to your shithole

>>15502408
Idk xpost on reddit

>>15501997
previous >>15498553

my penus enlarges soon,

Now that Starship has established itself as the main source of delays for Artemis III how do we develop a coping mechanism?

>>15502420
too early to tell, that was just jim free coping and trying to take eyes of Starliner

>>15502420
elon musk Must be brought to Justice just like Donald Trump into prison for the rest of his days.

>>15502032
What constitutes failing exactly?

>>15502410
>Cool, they can use it to buy 100k toilets and 10k gay pride flags
And NASA doesn't do this? lmao.

>>15502032
Cant read, would fuck (girl)

>>15502431
totally retard

>>15502433
At least two female astronauts have been rugmunchers, retard.

>>15502435
who can blame them

>>15502431
Exactly my point nigger

https://twitter.com/BellikOzan/status/1669247972432056321

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/09/former-nasa-administrator-says-sls-rocket-will-go-away/
> “At some point, commercial entities are going to catch up.”
article from 2020

>>15502468
thank you halfway to promixa centauri anon

>>15502052

>>15502493
Goodbye and stay on your containment board

>>15502497
Please don't ban me, I'm not a ponyfag, but you gotta understand this shit is too tempting to resist.

>>15502497
>announcing a report

This thread has too much shitposting and too little THRUST.

The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive, and neither are you sciencegoys.
CGI is all you get in this life and if you are vaxxed, I know many of you here are well boosted, then the Mars landings will be livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brain.
Also with the latest Neurolink gadget you can watch multiple landings at the same time, with the same bitrate and no loss in quality experience.

>>15502511
Starship is the physical incarnation of some kind of god or angel

>>15502497
Reported for announcing a report

Finally got around to making a webm of this shot from Mexico

>>15502544
The engines yeeting into orange dust is kino

>>15502551
>marsminer

How’s the shape of the thread then

>>15502564
A sad horsecock?

>>15502564
Infested by pony niggers. Be nice if faggot jannies could do their job for once.

>>15502564
knotted

>>15502566
horsecocks are never sad

>>15502189
https://youtu.be/9sZq71GFjaE

>>15501997
>Wenchang broke ground of the 3rd commercial launch pad on June 13, one for small solid rockets
https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/
China is going big on solids. I assume it's because of major economies of scale benefits thanks to their missile industry.

>>15502663
Other two (liquid) pads under construction

wait, esa bought a ticket on an axiom flight?
https://twitter.com/esaspaceflight/status/1669280917129424903

>>15502706
Absolute state of European manned spaceflight

What comes after Starship?

>>15502714
orbital shipyards. probably not but we can dream...

>>15502468
>sls

They seriously didn't name the rocket? Well, let's do it right now.

>>15502714
Starship Heavy

>>15502725
Sharia Launch System

>>15502725
spicy long satsuna

The Earth is flat with a dome.
God exists.

Aliens don't exist.
Space isn't real.
Gravity doesn't exist.
Never went to the moon.
Asteroids don't exist.
UFOs are a psyop.
Nukes don't exist.
Evolution is a lie.
Germ Theory is a lie.

The world is ruled by secret societies that worship Satan. Jews/Jesuits/Freemasons/Illuminati are Gnostics and Kabbalists. Masters at deception. One satanic philosophy is inverting reality.

They make you think you live on a spinning ball.
They make you think you're just an animal.
They make you think there's a deadly virus out there.
They make you think there are gay space niggers from outer space out there.

The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive, and neither are you sciencegoys.
CGI is all you get in this life and if you are vaxxed, I know many of you here are well boosted, then the Mars landings will be livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brain.

>>15502725
I heard someone suggest the name Typhon. It continues the naming tradition of god names, but also alludes to the fact that the rocket is a monstrous abomination.

Passionflix is spaceflight

>>15502528
>>15502755
based

>>15502790
> Antarctica is big
ok?

>>15502796
Antarctica is a psyop

>Had to sort through the /Sci/ catalog to find /sfg/
Also is the spin prime attempt 2 scheduled for today?

>>15502755
no it's actually concave, bowl-shaped, otherwise everything would spill off the sides

Every time I see Falcon 9 make massive last minute pitch corrections before landing, I can't help but think:
>Starship booster catching is never going to work
Time will tell, I suppose.

>>15502837
Thrust spread out on a hell of a lot more engines creates a bit more flexibility in landings.

>>15502840
We're still talking about balancing a stick on thrust while needing to keep it in a very narrow range of pitch, yaw, roll, and position in the air and against whatever winds might change that.

>>15502864
Never said it would be easy, but they're very different beasts.

>>15502189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDa25M-de70

>>15502867
They're similar enough in the aspects I'm least comfortable with: the bulk of their control authority comes from the main engines, and the hybrid vectors they offer aren't very flexible for this purpose.

>>15502837
>make massive last minute pitch corrections before landing
crazy how much of a newfag you are

>>15502872
Nice ass backwards guess there chief, real insightful commentary.

>>15502873
cringe.
bet you don't even know the booster can hover.

>>15501989
>>15502042
>>15502551
leave some ponussy for the rest of us NEIGHbour

How do I get a /sfg/ gf?

>>15502827
faggot, use /sci/sfg in the url.

>>15502837
Booster doesn't need to do the hoverslam
It can hover next to the tower, get stable, then move in for contact

>>15502878
that's a man

>>15502827
>he doesn't know how to use the catalog filters

is varda a meme? who are the customers for their in space manufacturing?

>>15502755
>EARTH IS A FLAT DOME AND ANY EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY IS DAEMONIC CGI BECAUSE… BECAUSE THE ANGELS TALKING TO ME IN MY HEAD TOLD ME SO OKAY!

>>15502497
It’s funny to see after all these years of space flight anime posting, anons here are still utterly buck broken over a single spaceflight pony

>>15502880
Yes, it can hover, but that's not really the problem. Hold a broom upright on your fingers standing on the ground and you can mimic the problem well enough: keeping it close to vertical isn't too bad, and computers can do it even better than you could ever hope to with your hand, yes, but how upright and stationary is that booster going to stay while the wind blows as the chopsticks close? How upright, stationary in space, and near-zero pitch can it really stay when the only balancing force it can work with comes from the engines at the bottom?

Does SpaceX have any extraordinary talent? I refuse to believe they're making this much progress all on their own. Remember Von Braun and his team made the US space program what it was back then.

>>15502889
>How upright, stationary in space, and near-zero pitch can it really stay
extremely. there is no physics reason it couldn't

>>15502889
>calling F9's pitch bad

>>15502380
>>15502389
if space solar power was feasible, Elon would be all over it, because it would mean infinite launches for SpaceX and mass production for Tesla (which absorbed SolarCity). Instead, he is one of its main opponents. He worked out the physics and it is just too inefficient compared to solar panels on the ground.

>>15502894
Mostly a great management structure.
Then the best people see what they can do and want to join.

>>15502898
It's not about efficiency, it's about stable baseload and no need for storage.
Elon has a business manufacturing batteries so he has no interest in doing without them.

>>15502894
*adding to this
There's another possibility. NASA/DARPA handed over all of their research to the most promising space startups. Mark my words, in a few years, some startup will claim they "independently developed" nuclear propulsion.

>>15502895
All of its balancing forces up through its center of mass, from the bottom of the ship, against the response time of the engines and the inertia of the system, and in a chaotic environment. I am dubious of the chopsticks being able to handle the amount of instantaneous error they'll encounter during the descent/hover.

>>15502905
the response time is extremely fast and inertia is high.
the chopsticks constrain in the lateral axis and longitudinally there's the rails.

https://twitter.com/GoToImpulse/status/1658911181057429504

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScGt3LQNVrY

Started watching this just now, it came out like 2 weeks ago
Mira from Impulse Space is going to go up on Transporter 9
pretty funny that there is going to be competition in the spacetug-space even before one of them has their first commercial mission
Impulse Space + Relativity might also be the first fully private mars lander mission (Impulse space will develop the The integrated Cruise Vehicle, Entry Capsule, and Mars Lander and this thing will be launched in 2026 with Terran R)
does SpaceX have any chance to launch a mars starship in 2026?

>>15502909
The chopsticks are not designed to offer constraint except through the hard points of the lift/catch system. If the wind blows the thing into the arms or something errant happens with an engine during the hover, the ensuing bonk is not something the ship or sticks are actually designed to undergo.

do you guys browse r/truespace

>>15502919
go back

>>15502882
Answer the question.

>>15502025
>Vulcan
>we don't want to buy RD-180 because of muh Ukraine

did ULA really?

>>15502894
- individual contributors that are smart, but more importantly competent, productive and motivated
- insane amounts of funding
- supportive management
- organizational focus on achieving goals quickly

You would expect an organization like this to be extremely successful in any industry, so it's no surprise they make cost plus grift mills look like back alley abortions.

>>15502918
Do you imagine that it's impossible to simulate or that Space X simply hasn't?

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/12/business/spacex-launch-varda-drug-pharma-space-industry-scn/index.html

>>15502937
actually the insane amount of funding is not really correct, at least in the beginning they had lean funding and that is precisely why they are so cheap now (well partly due to that), I think they have kept that mindset mostly

>>15502940
I suspect they've thrown some amount of caution to the wind and ignored the edge cases.

>>15502837
If it turns out not to work they can just redesign superheavy to use falcon 9 style landing legs. It would eat into their payload capacity significantly and add years more development time before reusability, but it's already proven to work.

>>15502347
Bullshit, the efficiency losses alone kill the program. Elon said even with fully reusable starship it would be a money pit.

No, build a tethered ring, and run solar above the weather up there. You get launch infrastructure and trans-ocean transport too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3O1gtr_oAk

https://youtu.be/8B2iqiKehyM

>>15502911
an interesting point he brings up around with respect to spacex and innovation 24:40 is that when you are vertically integrated vs just doing one part of the launch vehicle (buy the engines from one company, avionics from somewhere else, structure and integration done by someone else) you can really optimize factors that would not be possible with a model where you outsource everything and everything is very slow because you have lawyers etc involved
Muller says they optimized everything, the size of the engines, the staging ratio, even the mixture ratio (run fuel rich at liftoff, go more oxygen rich later in the burn to get more ISP)

>>15502955
that's hot

>>15502928
>Why are we spending millions of dollars to buy politically unreliable Russian engines, when we could be spending those millions here in his country, to support American workers in American factories, maintaining American technical capabilities for American corporations, who could reinvest those millions in the reelection funds of American politicians
>I’m John McCain and I deepthroat the military industrial complex

>>15502925
Be a fag

>>15502911
>manufacturing in space is starting to happen and could really take off
30:13

>>15502955
How big of a place would you have to own to need fifteen fucking maids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzHnV4bONFM

short overview video from yesterdays flyby

I love angles like this of the ISS. It's hard to really grasp its scale when photographed from another spacecraft

>>15503000
yeah this shit aint going to be ready in 2 months lmfao

>>15503003
American football field comparisons to the rescue.

>>15501595
https://c.tenor.com/Mp2x_sFweAcAAAAC/tenor.gif
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpLnJxrxdWk

>>15502837
>minute pitch corrections before landing
You do realize that is intentional, right?
F9 aims for the ocean when its coming in hot and once close enough, if everything is going correctly, it changes its target to the LZ.
The idea is that if something goes wrong, its going towards the ocean and won't crash on land.

europe continues to embarrass itself

>>15503071
so basically this was just more pork for Airbus
lmao, not even willing to fund a few other startups?

this will make launching out of cape canaveral easier right? since you have less air traffic you need to worry about.

https://www.space.com/rocket-lab-mystery-mission-virginia-june-2023

https://spacenews.com/project-kuiper-urges-regulators-to-focus-on-satellite-maneuverability-rules/

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/15/investing-in-space-bankers-and-insiders-say-ma-action-is-heating-up.html

>>15503108
How'd the original panels deploy, were they just origami folded or what? The solar scrolls look like a great advancement.

>>15503114
They were accordion-folded instead of roll-out.

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/structure/elements/solar_arrays-about.html

>>15502918
this is nonsensical. the booster has all its weight way below the contact points.
additionally the chopsticks have rubber pads that ride up on the interstage stringers.
we KNOW it'll be laterally constrained.

>>15503087
I wonder what a launch would look like from Seat A.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkFT047BaFs

Phosphates detected on Enceladus—it’s go time bros we must destroy non-earth life

>>15503197
with our dicks

>>15503197
>Phosphates = life

>>15503159
>Lab Padre vs NSF, do we really need two?

>>15502032
>n-now they'll fail for real guise you'll s-see
cope harder

The window for a mystery Rocket Lab launch opens today until the 20th

https://www.space.com/rocket-lab-mystery-mission-virginia-june-2023

What is it? Is it their hypersonic test program?

tom mueller's company got the contract for vast's station rcs
https://www.vastspace.com/updates/vast-selects-impulse-space-for-haven-1-space-station-propulsion

>>15503238
Can vast really build the HAVEN-1 module in just 2 years?

>>15503232
Looks like the 18th it is

>>15503232
NRO likes to put up small things on rocket lab

>>15503240
you tell me

>>15503242
HASTE is the variant of electron meant for hypersonic testing, looks like it is set for Saturday. The payload is classified it seems, although I would like to know who is the customer and what is the payload?

>>15503238
>After launch, Haven-1 will serve as an independent crewed space station with four crewed missions planned before connecting as a module to a larger Vast space station currently in development.
this is news to me. I didn't see haven-1 connecting to anything else on their roadmap. have they given any info about?

>>15503248
https://www.rocketlabusa.com/launch/haste/

>>15503197
>if there's life on Inceladus it's likely just microbial
Not real aliens

>>15503249
same. i thought they were going to burn it up after one mission.

>>15502763
>Typhon
I think Tyrone would be more appropriate as an American god

>>15503249
Maybe they are attaching it to one of the Starship class modules? There is a docking port on the side

>>15503264
its going to be so tiny compared to a starship module

https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1669398117441994773

Roll out solar will be a thing for Starship as it will extend out 100KW solar panels for its journey to Mars

>>15503265
Yea, maybe a nation state will purchase the module from them? I could see a company like vast building space stations with modules from other companies like Think Orbital and Gravitics for nations that want their own space station

>>15503264
It needs to be expandable/inflatable. Have the core structure be strong structure, but augment that with inflatable habitat and it would be 14+ meter diameter space station.

>>15503267
Thats cool as fuck, I didn't know solar panels could do that

>>15503267
>inflatable modules
>roll out solar panels
what's next?

https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1669396629475000320

>>15503099
Can electron carry a MIRV?

>>15503292
cute (elon)

>>15503292
what's he doing in italy?

>>15503292
she's telling him not to torture his workers and he's laughing at her with a cuppa.

>>15503297
nigger (you)

>>15503292
Add it.

>>15503278
inflatable propellant transfer probes

>>15503109
oof short list of companies that could even buy Boeing Space projects... Could trigger an anti-trust lawsuit

>>15502955
You honestly expect me to listen to a 4 minute video from a fucking woman?

>>15503278
3d printed food

>>15502189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxitJX2CRfg

>>15502706
>>15502711
euroids getting to space the same way I get pussy ($$$)

I fucking WORSHIP Elon Musk

>>15503409
hell yeah

>>15502827
bookmark this
>>>/sci/sfg
>>15502837
F9 has TWR >1 on only one engine at minimum throttle (when it's empty); they literally can't kill the horizontal momentum more than a second before landing or it'd start taking off again and then crash. SH won't have that issue, raptors can throttle deeper and the ship is so fat that it can hover quite easily. If it were any other company it'd be overambitious, sure; spacex has enough telemetry from and enough experience from F9 that they've probably already solved the 'balancing a broomstick' issue and because they operate so hardware rich they can afford to scrap at least 5 boosters with soft water landings just testing hovers and position keeping.

>>15503369
Lick my binker boqel

I saiiiiid...

>>15502625
banger

>>15503409
Will his statue on Mars be 3d printed and designed by an AI or hand crafted from Marian marble?

>>15503533
Woah imagine how easy it would be to just 3D scan someone and cut it out of marble or some other rock with an automated cutting machine. Why isn’t this a common thing this would be sweet

>>15503446
>tripfag
oh no.... no no no no no no, get out of here. get the FUCK out of here NOW

https://twitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1669450670833905664

BIGLY NEWS

>>15503546
I literally fucking called it, I said for so long that they could easily turn Starship in to a space station that can be dropped from orbit for easy repairs and reuse, and so many of you fucks shit on me for saying it. Now look, look at what pops up. You will next see that the steel plate will make flame trenches obsolete, I guarantee you this.

>>15503540
There are marble sculpture that are cut by machine, but it's soulless
Though I think it would be more fitting for Musk's statue to be of stainless steel

>>15501997
>Open door
>See this

What do you do?

>>15503546
>linking to a reply
y?

>>15503301
General talk about AI/tech/Tesla/SpaceX/etc. Also there's an ongoing negotation to open up a Tesla factory in Italy I think.

>>15503561
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1669450557029855234

Here. Not that it matters

>>15503564
Who the fuck is going to operate the plant? Italy has THE OLDEST population in the entire world.

>>15503551
doomers btfo again

>>15503546
WET WORKSHOP CHADS, ITS HAPPENING

>>15503551
AND HERES ANOTHER ONE OF MY PREDICTIONS, VAST is going to do VERY well.

>>15503570
it has big youth unemployment rate

>>15503573
Who's the poo?

HAHAHA GRAVITICS SISTERS, BOEING BROS AND LOCKSNEED NIGGERS ETERNALLY BTFO, VAST MAKES IT BEFORE ANY OF THEY DO KEEEEEEEEK

>>15503546
ISS

MOGGED

big day for vast chads

>>15503578
some pajeet queer he booted out when he bought twitter

>>15503546
Go Starship!

Apparently BO is working on crew and cargo capabilities for New Glenn

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/seven-us-companies-collaborate-with-nasa-to-advance-space-capabilities/

>>15503582
>ThinkOrbital gets to work with NASA but not Gravitics

ThinkOrbital has more VCs and consultants listed on their linkedin than actual engineers. Kind of odd considering Gravitics has hardware in testing at the moment

>>15503292
>Springtime...
> for Elon...
> in Italy...

>>15503322
>Won't sit for 4 minutes to hear about cheap space travel
>Wonders why China is catching up

zoomers/summerposters

>>15503292
>>15503592
Will he pay his respects?

>>15503582
Wow think orbital too, how is nasa so based?
Do they even have the cash?

Imagine if these things can be reused (cheaply)

>>15503590
Maybe they should work on New Glenn first?

>>15503590
Gravitics and vast are in direct competition building cheap modules, so picking both of them would be kind of redundant
ThinkOrbital has an entirely different approach

>Northrop Grumman is collaborating with NASA on the company’s Persistent Platform to provide autonomous and robotic capabilities for commercial science research and manufacturing capabilities in low Earth orbit

Interesting. I guess Varda proves there is demand for space manufacturing

We're space /ic/ now. How can I improve, bros?

>>15503122
You expect bumping into the side of the chopstick when force is being applied on a part of the rocket far away from the stick to make said stick into anything but a pivot point?

>>15503598
>woman

>>15503604
Entirely too early to tell, varda just launched the first test, not successful yet on any metric

I really wish we knew the schedule for Booster 9’s static fire campaign.
Booster 7 had a total of 7 static fires (lol) over a period of 8 months. Obviously, Booster 9 must do that in 1/4 or less time.
>Single engine static fire
>Single engine long duration fire
>3 Engine static fire
>7 Engine static fire
>14 engine static fire
>11 engine long duration firing
>31 engine firing
I wonder if SpaceX will skip straight into the 11 engine firing, then the 33.

>>15503605
Fuck off back to breaddit

>>15503605
you went too hard on the blur effect
That or you’re too retarded to know how to save a file in high resolution. Keep up the good work either way

>>15503610
2x nigga

>>15503613
I’m trans btw

>>15503612
Why not skip directly to 33

New image of the redesigned crew dreamchaser
>Sierra Space is collaborating with NASA for the development of the company’s commercial low Earth orbit ecosystem, including next-generation space transportation, in-space infrastructure, and expandable and tailorable space facilities providing a human presence in low Earth orbit.

>>15503620
Welp, looks like Starliner’s future is dead. Dragon and Dreamchaser will be commercial Leo taxis until (if) Starship takes over

>>15503617
That's cool anon, space is for everyone.
Except earthers.

It’s funny to think that if Starship sends humans to Mars by the mid 2030s, Starship itself would’ve probably been flying for over a decade.
Look how much Falcon 9 was optimized over a decade. Imagine how successful Starship will be by then.

>>15503622
Then you have
>The capsule concept from Rocket Lab
>Reported Blue Origin crew capsule
>Orion

Starliner is dead, but then again Dragon and tons of issues and even blew up in the past

>>15503624
R3s literally just increased the payload of Starship by 33% reusable or to 200t. Just one generation of engines later, and they mass produce these things.

>>15503636
I’m holding my breath on R3 for now. 25% of Booster 7’s engines failed on ascent, and those are Raptor 2’s

Elon looks fat and ugly sometimes butt he unironically was handsome today when meeting the Italian PM

>>15503638
Those were the very first R2s made over a year before S24 even launched.

>>15503606
the chopsticks squeeze it.
if the booster pivots the IMU sees and makes it slide straight.

>>15503644
I feel like the decision to static fire at half thrust also may have led to issues. It is scary to think how a Booster 4/Ship 20 flight would’ve fared with Raptor 1s (pic is B4)

Actually, does anyone have an image comparing the stacked B4/S20 with B7/S24

>>15503612
i expect maybe 4 static fires. especially to test out the bidet

>>15503648
Once the chopsticks actually have the booster its a non-issue. It's the period when the booster is between the chopsticks and the sticks aren't closed yet that I don't feel good about.

>>15503651
Modern Starships go straight into the triple engine firing. A revised schedule might be
>3 engine
>7 engine
>14 engine
>Full 33
Maybe. Idk

>>15503648
>>15503652
There's no fucking squeezing involved. There's guides/mounts on the booster that drop into the chopsticks.

Falcon 9 is B architecture with A+ execution currently
Starship is A architecture with D execution
New Glen is B+ architecture with D- execution
Neutron is B architecture with D- execution
Electron is D architecture with B execution
Vulcan is C architecture with D- execution
SLS is D- architecture with C execution
Astra is D+ architecture with D execution
If I had to grade the rockets that are coming up.

>>15503662
Starship has good execution, it’s just not ripe yet.

>>15503658
I recommend you off yourself newfag

What the fuck is this guy’s problem?

>>15503546
WE'RE BACK

>>15503668
I can't wait until gateway is up and artemis becomes uncancelable. we can start cutting fat left and right without fear

Does SLS and Boeing still hold the same political appeal they once had?
If NASA had to choose between HLS and SLS, would they cancel HLS?

So SLS is getting shitcanned after someissuons? Replacing it with commercial fixed cost would fix nasas budget

>>15503668
he's a fatty who can't hang with the cool kids

>>15503668
He is an SLS stan and knows as a white elephant it is low hanging fruit for the upcoming budget cuts.

>>15503668
He is autistic and his special obsession is SLS

>>15503691
>>15503689
Why stan SLS though? Starship is the true autistic choice. I feel like a lot of us have OCD’d and followed Starship ever since those images of a “water tower” down at Boca Chica leaked in 2018

>>15503668
Is that the kid that was in that all gas no brakes video from the 2020 demo 2 launch?

>>15503601
>feet
>pounds
This is a science board, not a medieval farm where they grow squash and churn butter every day (except sunday)

>>15503696
Because SpaceX is led by Felongated Muskrat who is evil and racist so they have to cling to something else that makes any progress ar all and other than SpaceX that only leaves NASA, which means they have to ideologically support SLS even though it clearly sucks nigger cheeks.

>>15503292
I like how he has to have that permanent autist slouch when around short people.
Also, she obviously wants his dick

Say what you want but the Delta IV Heavy poster is kino

>>15503310
Why are they in front of a map of Middle-Earth? Was she meeting with the King of Gondor?

>>15503701
incandescently based

>>15503712
Why amerisharts still use daylights savings, imperial and opposite side of road driving? Nobody knows!

>>15503720
>opposite side of road driving
Anon, I...

>>15503668
He's actually right about that: Artemis exists to promote SLS.

>>15503292
>looked through her twitter feed
>she wore a V cut top just for Elon
Kek

>>15503292
ngl, elon looks kinda handsome now, glad that he seems to be taking care of himself

>>15503636
>cheat-tier engine
>when the rocket has barely launched yet

>>15503435
>>>/sci/sfg
......a decade here and I never knew about this syntax. I guess I'll never stop being a newfag

>>15503662
>Starship is A architecture with D execution
that's like having one month of classes and closing the school for a year, then suddenly having the final test

>>15503662
>grading rockets still in dev
>giving SLS more than an F execution

>>15503749
And passing by the skin of your teeth on the first attempt.

>>15503599
Unfortunately he can't pay his respects to Elon because he's dead.

>>15503706
She's a huge LotR fan, so whatever country that is (I think Czech) took her to a LotR-themed restaurant.

>>15502887
ponies are illegal

>>15502960
you have the fuel rich/oxygen rich mixed up

If Transporter missions didn’t happen, would the smallsat launch market be more “alive?”
RocketLab struggles to hit 1 launch per month, for instance

>>15503812
No it would be so infrequent and meaningless. Remember how it was before the first F9 rideshare? It was NOT busy. And the market seemed artificially inflated to us because rocket lab (and others) were very novel so every time they flew (measured in months, not days) it was interesting. The small sat market is gay

>>15503818
>The small sat market is gay.
> - /sfg/
that's a good quote

Falcon landings are now more reliable than any orbital rocket other than Falcon 9

>>15503835
Way to state the obvious, amerimongrel.

>>15503248
I know Dynetics (a Leidos company) is a customer, but apparently not this time

>>15503835
consecutive reliability too

>>15503071
There is no hope for European space

>>15503812
Transporter missions created new avenue for launch. No way would any of these missions be on any of the other rockets by now if Transporter didn't exist.

>>15503840
>>15503858

>>15503835
They still add another dimension which complicates the whole operation. Let's be honest: SpaceX has done some cool things, but ULA's proven reliability and deep industry connections make them the only viable long-term option.

>>15503871
Tory pls

I cannot wait for this to become reality

>>15503871
The funny part being Falcon 9 landings are more reliable than ULA rockets launching.

>>15503900
also more frequent than ULA rockets launching

>>15503827
>/sfg/
>space filic gays
Where's my cute spacer bf?

>>15503899
one thing no one mentions, rotating stations are harder to maintain
* can only dock at two places on the hub
* harder to maneuver in orbit
* you'll get wobbling and precession if you don't keep the weight balanced

>>15503906
You can dock at any number of places as long as you spin the station down before docking and the port can take the weight. You’d want the ability to spin down anyway to do EVA work.

>>15503335
Inflatable roll-out food

>>15503871
(You) are a snake.

>>15503906
>can only dock at two places
How many fucking Starships do you expect to be going up at once??
>harder to maneuver in orbit
Anything big is hard to manuever in orbit whats your point. Its spaceflight something will get figured out
>you'll get wobbling and precession if you don't keep the weight balanced
Ok retard

>>15502928
why is an american rocket designed to use russian engines anyways? didn't we just have a cold war with them?

Unmentioned, but Haven-1 just got another bit of legitimacy to its name.

>>15503957
>Unmentioned
I too don't read the thread

>>15503959
Ok faggot, point to the exact post that shows this exact tweet. Go on, I'm waiting.

>>15503971
>>15503238
inb4
>that's not the tweet, that's the article on vast's website that the tweet links to.

>>15503972
I kneel...

So these are the American space stations that could be operational by the end of the decade

>Lunar Gateway
>Axiom Station
>Northrop Grumman Station
>Orbital Reef
>Starlab
>Haven-1 + reported additional module
>Vast's Starship class space station (Unless this is the additional module)
>ThinkOrbital Space Station
>Starship space station (if not multiple)
>Gravitics space station

holy shit, at least 10 stations. Are there enough crew capsules and cargo resupply craft for all those space stations? Shit, are there even enough astronauts to be able to service all of them? Let alone the demand for manufacturing and commercial space.

>>15503759
If F is failure it's doing better than most of the rockets on the list.

>>15503989
Purpose built, single mission and return StarShip is going to bankrupt all of em. We don't need niggers jogging in Space anymore for Le Science. Send a StarShip up take the pictures, make the pharmaceuticals and land. Way cheaper.

>>15503997
Fuck if StarShip gets as cheap as it claims even accessing those second rate pods will cost more than an entire SS flight. LEO is big gay

>>15503871
even knowing it's bait i can't help but rage at this post

Vastchads rise up

>>15503906
>just stop rotating it bro!
Oh yeah, sure, ezpz. First, everything slides across the floor, then it floats off the floor. Then when spin starts again, it falls in whatever position it drifted to. You can't just stop rotating on a dime, and it takes a lot of rotary throost too. There may be a few more options for contra-rotating rings, but then it's complicated to keep hull integrity between them.
Docking in the hub isn't so bad if you start rotating your ship on the way into the docking bay, then you can be towed or roped into a docking port along the wall of the bay.

>>15504057
Trusted by NASA and SpaceX (more than Gravitics)

Where the fuck did Vast even come from? Commercial stations was 99% Axiom until a few weeks ago

>>15504061
just do it very gradually, as in over the course of several hours
and/or build most of the furniture into the structure itself and tell everyone to secure their crap

>>15504068
They have a billionaire founder who is self funding the company

>>15504091
is that how they can afford shills on 4channel?

>Beatlegeuse going supernova
will it happen soon™?

>>15504094
"soon" in an cosmological sense

>>15503689
Is stan the reddit version of fan?

>>15504093
Kemp is absolutely seething that people wont do this for him.

>>15504104
Yes, stan means stalker fan but has just replaced fan for chudditors and Dorsey Twitter niggers. Used allot by koreaboos

>>15503238
>>15503957
Does Launcher have their own thruster for their space tug? I thought that was much of the reason for the acquisition in the first place. Also, how is their newest tug doing that launched on the last transporter?

>>15504116
It didnt fail immediatly after undocking so its doing better than Launcher-1. So far no failures reported from customers so assume they are doing well.

>>15503590
>BO posts a picture of their empty buildings
>everyone else posts pictures of what they're working on

>>15503993
At being delayed and costing an incredible amount of money.

>>15504114
>>15504104
It originated from obsessed idol fans.

ITT: seething space-x stans

>>15504093
Being started by a billionaire means massively long runway, direct collavoration with SpaceX gives them a lot of legitimacy + their timeline is cooler and more ambitious than axioms

>>15503974
>what seems to be the problem?
>I can't breathe, doc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoA1gwIJp5Y

https://spacenews.com/technical-problem-postpones-final-ariane-5-launch/

>>15504317
https://www.space.com/ariane-5-rocket-final-launch-delay

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/15/virgin-galactic-sets-first-commercial-space-tourism-flight.html

>>15504326
this is so stupid

https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/SPCE/

> Virgin Galactic on Thursday said the flight, called Galactic 01, is targeting a launch window that opens June 27 and runs to June 30. Virgin Galactic then plans for its second commercial flight to follow in “early August,” with “monthly” commercial flights after that.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/16/elon-musks-starlink-faces-challenge-from-eutelsat-after-oneweb-takeover.html

>>15504332

>>15504330
Isn't it pretty much granted they will go bankrupt? Due to backlog of customers

>>15504341
maybe, don't really know the specifics
doesn't seem like a very good business even if they trudge along without dying

>>15504363
Yeah I think SSTO aeroplane jet engine/ramjet to rocket is a great concept in terms of just how efficient it can be
However, what Virgin galactic has built isnt exactly pretty, and it's also not taking it the whole way. Apparently they are going to build a SSTO which was more inline with original ambitions?

>>15504332
>>15504334
Death to Hughesnet
Death to Viasat
Death to Eutelsat
Total oldpsace death

>>15504373
I just hope Starlink shits all over the the shitty broadband alternatives we have here, it's insane how overpriced they are. It's barely any more expensive with Starlink right now and Starlink is probably going to keep reducing their prices a bunch in the coming years to capture more market

>>15504372
Only one company (Hermeus) has even demonstrated turbojet to ramjet mode shifting on a test stand, but they aren't working on SSTO or airlaunch. Radian is trying to cheat the definition of SSTO with a powered sled launch that releases transonic before the first stage engines even light.

>>15504379
>Radian is trying to cheat the definition of SSTO with a powered sled launch that releases transonic before the first stage engines even light.
With how everyone seems to call the launchpad "Stage 0" these days I'm not even sure they're cheating. I'd rather see them go all in and build a full scale launch loop but such a megaproject would need a significant portion of global GDP not startup money.

>>15504379
There is another company doing Hybrid jet-Ramjet, with a jet fighter design. Can't remember their name of the fly though, they also have only done test stand firings so far

>>15504388
I should also mention they have no plans to do SSTO, they want to sell the tech so airliners can go slightly faster across the ocean, which I think is a stupid use case but whatever

>>15503723
Anon, he's right...

To all metric fags:
Metric rots the brain with it's simplicity, having a convoluted system immediately enables the thinking man to quickly and succinctly root out the pseuds who count on their fingers from the mental math chads.
Furthermore: imperial is objectively superior to metric for real life measurement.

>>15503912
>>15503936
>>15504069
vast niggers coping

>>15504450
When I need to make an estimate of meter distance I can just visualize the amount of full steps there and I will have about th correct distance

>>15504450
>enables the thinking man
So a non-american?

>>15504457
demonstrate manned spaceflight program

china will allow nasa to use Queqiao (magpie bridge) for artemis missions
https://twitter.com/YuqiiQian/status/1669510649192550400

>>15504460
How is it relevant to your cope, do you intended to measure the amount of feet in orbit?

>>15503560
>explicit lyrics
>parental guidance advised

>>15504462
c'mon anon, can't be that hard. You do have one right?

>>15504465
>being so quick to abandon your point
Even you mutts realize your units of measurement are inferior.

>>15504466
>you mutts
You probably won't believe it, but I'm actually a bong.

>>15504470
So you're not a patriot, but a xenonationalist bootlicker with no space program of your own, let alone manned? How disgraceful.

>>15504450
>imperial is objectively superior to metric
so you
> spill blood to free yourself from Bri'ish Empire
> still use their goofy measurements
lol mutts

>>15502889
NOT THE PENDULUM ROCKET FALLACY

>>15504471
>xenonationalist bootlicker
anon, for the reasons you stated and more, bongland doesn't have a lot going for it right now. Being able to watch launches is pretty far down the list of why I'd prefer to live in the US.

>>15504450
Metric fags crashed less interplanetary drones then u

>>15504492
Not actually true! The Soviets and Russians failed every single attempt to get a working Mars rover and never even attempted the outer system.

>>15504461
very very interesting
I wonder if this means more collaboration in space in the future

https://twitter.com/CNSAWatcher/status/1669578811908734978

Well /sfg/?

>>15504515
retarded image
universal suffrage was a mistake

>“We’re very selective” both in the selection of officers and enlisted personnel, said Burt. Having a large pool of candidates also allows the Space Force to “build diversity and inclusion from the ground up, so the force reflects the population we are defending.”
wtf the space force is racist as fuck. if you're not white or male you have a higher chance of getting in.

>>>/k/58591454
>>>/k/58591568
could space tank platforms work?

>>15504514
It means China is phrasing a man in the middle attack on American space infrastructure as an offer of help.

>>15504521
This is baked in to federal law. The nonsense will continue until the disparate outcomes meme is legally repudiated.

>>15504461
>>15504514
>>15504525
NASA isn't allowed to work with the chinese so it doesn't matter what the chinese say

>>15504527
It's probably a SIGINT asset anyway.

>>15504461

I heard Trump administration's NASA officials discuss the potential for collaboration with China [1]. But the truth is - due to the vibrant space industry in the US (thank you SpaceX and Axiom), they're no longer interested. In fact, there hasn't been any significant cooperation with Roscosmos either, despite the long history of cooperation there.
[1] Any potential partnership here is contingent upon either side negotiating from a "position of strength". Technically it is possible during the later Artemis missions, there may be brief windows of opportunity for limited cooperation with CNSA, like they did with the lunar lander and Mars rover

>>15504461
lol moonlink is happening chinsects

>>15504471
Bongs use pints, but their pints are bigger than US pints (gallons too!) because Rule Britannia. They also use miles per hour for speed limits. And nobody else knows how much a "stone" weighs.
Meanwhile, Ariane can't get it up, but vive la metric!

>>15504558
Not even brits knows what a stone weighs

>>15504522
Go back

>>15504559

>>15504560
never

>>15503703
how long until they start simping for chinas long dongs then?

>>15504514
it means changs have some angle and think they can steal something from this. All that will be pushing space industry forward is antagonism and needing to one up the enemy

Staging

>>15504612
>>15504612
>>15504612

>>15504472
>space flight thread
>claims Americans are coping
>foreigners cannot into space
The poor thing has lost all contact with reality