/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15419515
I should add this to the OP next time
https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/

>>15419515
Qrd on low iq oversocilized space businesses persons of note

>>15419515
beetlenacht

inb4 exactly 300 posts of paranoid schizophrenia

>>15419515
Wouldn't turtles make better shielding?

>>15419531
beetles repopulate much quicker than turtles

>>15419515
Boss hog innovates

Fuck methalox, I'm a hydrofag thru and thru. Your mongrel dildos cannot compare to superior Aryan engineering.

>>15419565
here we go >>15419527

>>15419570
Cope. Keep sucking elon's mangina, the starship simply cannot compare to the efficiency, elegance and scope of the saturnV. Rocketry has been dead for 50 years, and spacex is none the wiser.

>>15419580
you will never be funny

>>15419611
Who said I was? Musktards cannot comprehend reality, this must devote their beliefs to one man bcus they're all redditard brainlets. You mongrels ruined this board.

don't bite

>>15419620
stfu n00b. Only retards with no skill use mechjeb.

Methalox = requires carbon and water
Hydrolox = requires only water
Why is methalox better for ISRU?

>>15419580

By 2040 it would be unimaginable to design new rocket not taking in account Starship. Starship itself will be on it's 10th iteration. Everyone will have starship-inspired launch vehicles. In-orbit refueling will be figured out. Saturn V, while still my fav rocket, is a relic of the past.

>>15419641
it's the space elevator schizoid, ignore him

>>15419565
Tfw hydroshit actually cost us 40 fucking years of progress. Methalox is indeed the true path

>>15419644
Fuck space elevators. And fuck u musktards. Although less fantastical your delusions of hopin around the solar system on a fuel-hoarding skyscraper is the same type of popsci redditard faggotry u supposedly attribute to rationalists like me. You'll never be a true rocket scientist, not even in the pseud armchair sense of the word.

>>15419639
Storage, boiloff, stainless steel

>>15419639
You know why

>>15419659
So is Elon going to send cows to Mars?

>>15419660
Envisage the aroma

How did rocket fuel not melt the beams..

Threadly reminder:

If you are talking about specific impulse and you don't address the impact of the mass ratio of the whole vehicle, you simply do not know what you are talking about.

Also death to NTPfags, E*rthers by another name. They want progress stalled so old space can rake in billions.

>>15419679
Specific impulse is the miles-per-gallon of rocketry. Autisming for Isp is like trying to win an F1 race with a 60mpg economy car.

>>15419679
That's fucking irrelevant. You can always just add more mass in space, and by interplanetary NERVA would outperform chemical.

>>15419684
>Autisming for Isp is like trying to win an F1 race with a 60mpg economy car.
KEK. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about

>>15419688
> You can always just add more mass in space
>I don't understand the rocket equation
Every god damn time. Is collagefag linking /sfg/ again? You could be the regular NTPfag but I don't think even he is stupid enough to suggest using NERVA engines over more modern designs

>>15419702
Are u this fucking retarded? Base mass doesn't mean shit if ur required deltaV is high enough, the dV derivatives are higher, and therefore scale past lower ISP designs. A factor of 2 is sufficient to justify an NTR mars mission. Insulation increases ~1/r with volume, so factoring EVERYTHING ntr still outperforms. I agree it's dated, but so is methalox.

dont respond to the retarded troll

>>15419713
Pls tell me how chemical rockets outperform NTR. And show me the maths. Again, u musktards can't fucking think for yourselves.

>>15419679
>muh mass ratiooos!!!!
Actually fucking retarded. You're comparing sub-100t masses, obviously chem is going to outperform. The problem is SCALING, which u musktards cannot comprehend.

Choose your fighter. Reminder that SLS will be used in every case, for Orion since NASA doesn't want to start up a reactor in LEO, and to bring up the core stage, the inline stage, and any side stages. There will be another assembly for the lander.
>15419708
>15419722
Oh it's space elevatorfag

>>15419722
Why do the engines need to get bigger?
Just add more of them.

>>15419727
Option 1 and 4 show the most promise.

>>15419565
>Decides to use hydrogen for 2/3 of his mega rocket
>Despite knowing full well how much of a bitch it is (see Centaur development happening around that time)
>Tests everything in one go
>Succeeds perfectly the first try
Honestly I thought he was overrated, but after seeing how hard it is in rocketry, I kneel.

>>15419734
>Just add more of them.
Impractical for low TWR. Musktards don't understand the concept of long/multiple burns.

>>15419727
Paper

>>15419727
Paper

>starlink has 1.5M users
Who's buying it? Who even is the intended target audience?
And first worlders have much better & cheaper landline internet connections.
It's too expensive for thirdies who could possibly have worse landline internet.
Extremely isolated rural users?

>>15419766
It's hard and expensive to provide good internet to rural locations. You don't have to be "extremely isolated" to need Starlink.

>>15419766
Starlink offers roughly the same if not better speeds than the maximum I can get where I'm moving to right now. It's not third world or all that rural either, but it's quite a bit inlands.
And I live in a country where they've subsidized fiber and keep doing so.

>>15419727
If it requires more than 1 SLS launch, then it’s unrealistic

2023... I am forgotten

What does /sfg/ think of Stanford Torus? Is it achievable within the next 100 years?

Space Settlements: A Design Study
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19770014162

>>15419813
Was it ever really remembered in the first place?

>>15419823
I'll let Jimmy Conway do the talking.

>>15419823
It would cost a hell of a lot more than the 200 billion proposed even assuming starship most optimistic price estimates. And no one wants to pony up the money for it so it will never be built.

>>15419869
>tfw you realize I've already cost >$150B

>>15419823
Absolutely. The only problem is getting the initial funding for it.

>>15419840
forced meme

>>15419874
Imagine how many $1bil a pop canadarms you’d need to assemble a Stanford torus.

>>15419874
Most of the ISS estimated cost is due to the shittle being absurdly expensive, isn't it?

>>15419899
Just general spaceflight cost.
The r*ssian parts aren't much cheaper.

>>15419899
>37 shuttle missions to the ISS
>Estimated $450M per mission
Big chunk but not a majority.
Anyway it doesn't really matter how the money was spent, just how much of it was spent. The rinky dink ISS has burnt a 12 digit sum of money, if Starship pans out and governments commit to spending that same amount of money on a next gen station it could look more like the Stanford Torus than the ISS.

>>15419917
I think a starship ISS analogue would still be 2-4 orders of magnitude smaller than a stanford torus. Even optimistically I doubt it would compare to 2001s space station v

>>15419890
Canadarms?

>>15419766
>first worlders have much better & cheaper landline internet
Only in or very near to cities. Here in Italy just 5 km from a city (not rural; it's dense housing here) best I can get is 12 Mbits down 648 Kbits up on a fixed line. Mobile gets me marginally better upload of 2 Mbits; but worse down. And it's really unreliable and variable, sometimes dropping to 400 Kbits down, almost unusable. Few years back I lived in a 1 million pop city and got 80Mbit down 20Mbit up.
I knew a German living in a small city suburbs who paid 200 Eur per month for unreliable 10 Mbits down and maybe 2Mbits up.
For users such as me Starlink is a massive improvement.

Reminder that Wernher von Braun is the father of Mars. He predicted the Starship Mars architecture in the late 1940s, when he wrote The Mars Project. Cheap, reusable rockets using dense chemical fuel. He did unfortunately fall for the space plane meme but this was almost two decades before Mariner 4 discovered Mars had a much thinner atmosphere than was thought.

https://www.wlym.com/archive/oakland/docs/MarsProject.pdf
https://archive.is/jt44m

>>15419954

https://youtu.be/eJK1gLHbOxA?t=1136
https://youtu.be/52dVfhgt_T4?t=694

>>15419939
do picrel but instead just do it with a whole fuck ton of starships at the sides. THAT would be a real space station, not one of these sissy iss type live in the pod traps

>>15419954
Space eez Haard

>>15419939
>ISS: 1,000 m^3 pressurized volume
>Gravitics Ring: estimated 30,000 m^3 (~60 modules at 400 m^3 each plus connecting ring)
>Stanford Torus: 17,500,000 m^3 (10k inhabitants x 1,750 m^3 per inhabitant)
>1.5 orders of magnitude between ISS and Gravitics Ring
>2.75 orders of magnitude between Gravitics Ring and Stanford Torus

fucking spinsects ruin every thread

I bet a couple cases of ScotchBrite would give starship a dull, matte, uniform appearance

sfg when some guy wants to colonize the wrong kind of space

>>15419986
>sfg not /sfg/
spincels just try every way possible to out themselves as newfags

How does /sfg/ feel about this image?

>>15419990
trying too hard

>>15419992
the implications are based

manned v2 (do not research)

>>15419998
I demand a spaceflight iceberg graph

>>15419992
The best rocket engineers used to be german. Makes sense.
But now it's an african dude? Wacky.

>>15419992
>>15420004
The guy doesn't do shit. He just shitposts on twitter and takes credit for the talented but unknown people who work at his firm.

>>15420007
angry_söyjak.jpg

>>15420007
Von Braun would have out-shitposted him.

>>15420007
#IndictFelonMusk
#BLM
#LoveWins
#AstraStan

From an anti Rocket Lab protest in New Zealand earlier this year or last year

>>15420003
90% of it could come direct from astronautix

>>15420018

>>15420009
>>15420010
Classic musktard delusions on display here. Musk doesn't do any engineering, he just sits on his fatass all day tweeting and drawing phallic designs. It's laughable to compare him to Von Braun who with his relatively small team of engineers revolutionized rocketry with redstone and saturnV.

>>15420018
the only thing i hate more than E*RTHERS is B*OMERS

>>15420023
skip the foreplay and talk about sky hooks

>>15419523
None exist. Even Tory Bruno is a sperg of don't give a fuck

>>15420023
just shill for astra already jesus such a tease

>>15420026
>SKYHOOK SHILL!!!! SKYHOOK SHILL!!!!!
Cope. Any criticism of your god is met with claims of being a skyhooktard. This is the level of delusion musktards engage in.

How are you gonna customize your ship in Starfield, /sfg/?

>>15420030
i know it's you still reeling from the thread the other day

>>15420032
>another fucking nms rip off
gb2r already this is offtopic

>>15420018
I hate boomers so much you just wouldn't believe.

>>15420033
No. I'm in a proper state of mind and have acquired emotional regulation. It is not in my interest to be mad.

>>15420032
every time I see this kind of ship I get mad that real spacecraft will never look like this

>>15420042
starship + clones and falcon + clones using metholox and rp1lox are the future of space flight

>>15420032
>that scorched metal

>>15420051
>tranime poster is back

>>15420044
Why not? Only the engines look unrealistic

>>15420058
just aerodynamically unsuitable for atmospheric entry

>>15420049
Sure. We'll colonize mars by 2040.

>>15420042
>t.

>>15420060
People will take carriages for atmospheric entry in the future

>>15420064
i'm glad you've finally admitted you were wrong

>>15420064
Unbelievably based. Worst case scenario is only 2031 for spacex. The cope and seethe of nasafags will be awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia1OU5Huy4w

>>15419954
Unmoggable

HOLY KINO

The prophet speaks...

>>15420090
No. It's him.

>>15419813
Bezos told me they were gonna ramp up flights of this piece of shit so much lol what happened? and Branson's shitbox never flew again lmaoo

>>15420113
turns out theres a limited number of millionaires willing to spend the cost of a small house to sit in an experiential cuckshed and get fired somewhere below the karman line.

>>15419823
It's super easy to build,we build them all tge time on tge ground. just need to lunch it

>>15420073
>37k tons to LEO
umm how? are they counting the full wet mass of the second and third stages? that still makes zero sense. fully fueled starship is 5k tons

You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.

>>15420113
>>15420118
It has nothing to do with demand, the last flight in September failed and triggered capsule abort. It's been grounded ever since

>>15420134
Doubt it's even profitable. they probably just use it as an excuse never to fly again and shift the capital to shit that matters more like getting to orbit or shipping engines

>>15420126
I think it's the mass for the entire mission from LEO, not payload to orbit. Ten 4,000-ton ships with 70 crew members.

>>15420113
>what happened
Did you miss the part when it exploded?

>>15419766
Most of the US by land area has no good ISPs. Fucking GEO commsats are a major "Internet" provider in rural counties. Starlink is a domestic product first and foremost.

>>15420147
took SpaceX 6 months to return to flight after their ORBITAL F9 exploded on CRS-7 and 4.5 months after AMOS-6.
It has been 7 months since New Shepard shit its pants

>>15420154
>Blue Origin says it finally knows what caused its New Shepard rocket launch to fail last year
An article from a month ago, it's BO after all and they work slow.

>>15420158
>Blue Origin says it finally knows what caused its New Shepard rocket launch to fail last year
and what was it?

>>15420161
They dont know...

>>15420161
>After a six-month investigation, Blue Origin has pinpointed the cause of the anomaly. The nozzle on the booster's single BE-3PM engine suffered "structural fatigue failure," which caused a thrust misalignment that triggered the capsule's emergency escape system

>>15420165
tf are they even doing in that giant factory

>>15420165
If BO launched Starship they would have triggered FTS on the pad

>>15420165
mmm, hydrologgs :DDDD

>>15420165
did Bezos break a champagne bottle on an engine bell?

>>15420032
I don't know yet. I'll figure it out as I play and see what is available and/or viable.

>>15420064
>>15420072
These channels are deplorable, but imagine if feasible FTL technology was actually announced?

Genuinely what the fuck was the point of the Space Shuttle?

>>15420175
Feel like yuri and neil are somewhat out of place here, if this is supposed to be a list of "first in space". and why is Leonov above Gagarin? did a retard make this?

>>15420181
to ruin saturn 2

>>15420185
But we could've had the Saturn Shuttle.

Reminder: FTL is anti-possible

>>15420193
we could have had men on mars in the 80s. this is what shittle took from you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G9Rvgn4f5U

>>15420201
Reminder: the human collective unconscious can alter reality retroactively according to its desires so once a sufficient number of people want FTL it will have always been possible

>>15419748
meth fueld Nazi engineering

>>15420193

>>15420165
Didn't they say that despite the FAA investigation not being complete? Has the investigation finished since?

Thoughts on this?

https://twitter.com/moddedlimes/status/1654541800764317697?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

https://fcc.report/IBFS/SAT-LOA-20230315-00060

I’m retarded so I don’t know what this means

>>15420250
Lockheed is by far the most based oldspace company

>>15420250
Lockheed is going to send a satellite 230 Parsecs away, to the Kepler 1B exoplanet

>>15420254
based boomerspace pushing the boundaries once again

>>15420256
They're only doing because it's the blackest planet we know of, it's very cringe

>>15420250
>Lockheed Martin Corporation hereby seeks launch and operational authority for 230 lunar surface space stations that would communicate with each other; Lockheed Martin's lunar orbit satellites branded Parsec and other authorized satellites
> 230 lunar surface space stations
wtf lockmart

>>15420254
Impressive doesnt begin to describe this. bravo lockheed

>>15420265
if we don't, china will, and they're beginning to understand.

>december 19, 2022 - starlink reaches 1 million subscribers
>may 5, 2023 - starlink reaches 1.5 million subscribers
they'll be at 2 million by the end of the summer

>>15420250
230 satellites for an uninhabited moon? scifi, delusion, or both?

>>15420268
can you even say you support starship development if you don't have starlink?

>>15420265
The American hegemony hungers for perpetual exceptionalism. The deep future is ours for the taking

>>15420269
The goal is a Starlink equivalent in LLO to solve blackout periods for the lunar surface and reduce the comms/power mass budget for surface missions.

>>15420269
>MUH RADIO SILENCE
>MUH DARK AGES OF THE UNIVERSE
astronomers BTFO yet again. banish them all to pluto

>>15420274
i understand the logic, but i'm just not seeing the business case. i hope it happens though just because of how crazy it would be.

>>15420276
>the business case
they understand the military case

>>15420276
The business case is the American Cislunar Economic Steamroller is ramping the fuck up

>>15420269
if you want stuff to happen in space it has to be economical, and this stuff snowballs. if starship gives cheap upmass but you still need everything on the moon to bring its own expensive comms to communicate back to earth, then the moons still not that cheap.
I don't know how you can be here and not be pro additional space infrastructure.

>>15420276
either america or china controls beyond leo. which would you prefer?

it's not 230 satellites, it's 230 ground stations on the moon, which might even be crazier...230 LANDINGS
https://fcc.report/IBFS/SAT-LOA-20230315-00060

>>15420279
>>15420277
>>15420278
The whole point of Space Force is to maintain and foster Anerican space economy in LEO and cislunar space by protecting American assets and seeding infrastructure for coms and situational awareness

Can <$2m personal spaceplanes happen? I can picture utility for amateur collaborative space missions.

fuck Marsfags
you will never go to space
you will never walk on Mars
you will die as a mediocre wageslave on earth

>>15420285
yes it's basically an extension of the international water sailing with carrier groups to stop communists locking down 1/3 of the planets seas and i fully support it.

>>15420285
Protect them from what?

>>15420292
you.

>>15420291
God I love this country

>military personnel from the Five Eyes (Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the United Kingdom), France, Germany, and Japan will now be jointly operating the GPS alongside US space force personnel
https://breakingdefense.com/2023/05/space-force-wants-key-allies-to-join-24-7-gps-ops-center/

kind of weird but okay

>>15420297
i'm not even american but i fully support it.

>>15420292
ayyliems. earthers. red chinese aggressors

/sfg/ is an american supremacy general

I don't understand the slapfighting between spinhabs and Mars. Wernher wanted both. Is it just a proxy for "Jeff bad" posting?

>>15420278
>Phrase that acronyms to ACES
Hi, Tory.

>>15420308
https://youtu.be/Vc4PV4MK3m0

>>15420313

>>15420313
I dont mind spinhabs, gainstations are based. I think cylinders are silly but not much different than a city like Phoenix, Arizona. A monument to the hubris of man. We wont make them though, the AI overlords could if they wanted to. But would they want to?

>>15420330
>But would they want to?
this now a blame thread

>>15420313
Aces high ;)

>>15420330
cylinders are dumb. nobody has that kind of air to waste. stacked rings makes more sense.

>>15420291
Less talk, more action. Actually do something with all that tonnage.
Such as:
Total black sea commie blockade
Total baltic sea commie blockade
Total kola peninsula commie blockade

The faster oldcommies shrivel up and die for good, the sooner you can start focusing on bugmen commies.

>>15420336
whatever you want bro. i just think about how hard it is to get a tunnel or skyscraper built and you all talking like youre gonna build the death star with venture capital lmao

>>15420250
>>15420284
>Lockheed
>launching 230 lunar missions
>ever

You could give them a century and they'd be 25% of the way there, and I'm being generous.

>>15420343
?? You havent been paying attention to the literature

>>15420339
Most of the cost of modern skyscraper construction is land price and regulatory bullshit. With Starship and interorbital shipping services it's potentially cheaper to build in high orbit than in Manhattan.

>>15420343
Careful, you might anger the local Lockheed shill.

>>15420338
>Actually do something with all that tonnage.
number of chinese heavy lift vehicles: 0
number of aircraft carriers: 0
tonnage status: mogging

>>15420343
So you admit Starship wont ever work

>>15420353
building a skyscraper is one thing. building the manhattan island bedrock is another

the ground stations might be viable even if parsec isnt. there are a few organizations out there like nasa and esa that are working on their own lunar satellite constellations, so even if lockmart's parsec constellation flops, then maybe the ground stations will succeed from the business they get from other satellites and constellations.

i wonder what they would look like though

I think one thing people are missing about spin versus dirt is the economics of space trade. Spinhabs with <=1AU sunlight and proper Earth gravity will dominate agricultural exports due to lack of "launch tax", while Mars will be a powerhouse of fission and heavy industry, and the outer system will dominate volatiles harvesting and deep space astronomy.

>>15420374
>maybe the ground stations will succeed from the business
what "business"? what do they even do

>>15420376
>there is no complete centrally planned authority on solar system colonisation
obviously.

Will we have zero-G sports before 2100?

>>15420383
ROLLERBALL

>>15420383
Thousands of black people will make it into space before you or your grandkids ever go, and they'll be paid millions for it.

>>15420387
Space jail?

>>15420379
ground stations get the signals from satellites and spacecraft. lockheed could charge alot to use them. companies like amazon (aws) and microsoft (azure) have alot of their own ground stations here on earth.

https://aws.amazon.com/ground-station/
https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/products/orbital

>>15420284
We've been having such bad luck landing things lately, and they want to do 230 landings?
Well, at least they won't have to worry about the mascons fucking up LLO orbits.

>>15420154
GRADATIM

>>15420390
And just like Lockheed's moon proposal they were selling that service to the US government before the plebs found out.

>>15420408
FEROCITER

>>15420367
Who said anything about Starship? ABL is launching those missions, chud.

>>15420413
Lmao no

>>15420411
SLOW IS SMOOTH

https://youtu.be/W6RiI-VQtHg
This is fucking huge
Dr Abraham "Avi" Loeb says aliens "walk among us"

>>15420422
amogus

>>15420422
>Dr Abraham "Avi" Loeb
I shan't be watching that, thanks

>>15420422
Never go full mush

>>15420411
>haven't even reached New Glenn on this delusional wishful thinking tech tree
BO is a complete joke

>>15420422
sus

>>15420429
t. antisemite

>>15420346
SpaceX isn't going to launch these. I don't know how else to break it to you.

How did brexit affect projects like Galileo?

>>15420429
This guys is the leader of Breathrough Starshot so you better pay attention

>>15420169
It still would have had 40 seconds to clear the pad.

>>15420454
It made the UK snatch up OneWeb.

>>15420454
>UK
>Relevant in any way
Any effects at all would only have been felt because ESA is equally as impotent and pathetic, it's quite painful to look at

>>15420454
Not a lot i think, ESA benefits from EU but is not necessarily dependent of it

>>15420453
Just like how spacex wont launch europa clipper? or OneWeb? or Europe's Galileo constellation? for sure for sure definitely wont launch Kuiper?

>>15420476
Lockheed won't go for it. They will use ULA. So, two or three launches a year.

>>15420476
Amazon specifically mentioned they are open to launching Kuiper on Starship. considering its closest to operational followed by Vulcan and then A6, I think it would be funny if Amazon started cancelling New Glenm flights in favor of Starship

>>15420511

Was doing some reading on Proton-M

Holy shit, I didn’t know it had that many failures

>>15420511
What do you think is the most kino switch there?

This is what peak performance looks like

>>15420411
>"Advanced, Reusable Thermal Protection" after "New Glenn"
Was Jarvis part of their plan?

>>15420524

>>15420520
The death throes of a corrupt shithole, imploding on its own impossibility

>>15420511
The glass cockpit upgrades only saved like 75 lbs and cost a bajillion dollars

>>15420454
>europe
>not a second world shithole

>>15420454
Why would Brexit affect an ESA project? Brits shut down their aerospace companies.

>>15420253
I find Lockheed is pretty open about innoative projects in house, but they dont really talk much about those, they did try to make a Fusion reactor the size of a cargo container, dont know if that went anywhere all these years later..
> They are still working on it but have made very little progress
I see...

>>15420555
There was only so much they could do without comprehensive fly by wire updates. Look at how compact the controls are for Dragon.

>>15420376
>deep space astronomy.
where is the money in that? If it does not translate into direct raw political power like military multiplier it is always going to remain a underfunded pure science curiousity. Like Hubble being assembled from spare parts left over from the main works, which were several ultra high resolution spy sats taking pretty pictures of naughty places

It's nice that we're getting back to seeing Skylab sized space station modules, but I worry that even with significantly lower launch costs they won't herald a paradigm shift in space station design. There's not much reason to believe that demand for manned spaceflight will increase significantly. And with low demand these modules will always be expensive custom one off things.
Sure, the two or three commercial stations that get built will be twice as big as they otherwise would have been, but that's about it. I yearn for a future where these things are spat out on assembly lines so fast and so cheap that every moderately well funded university can have a space station if they want. Airbus is in a somewhat better position to deliver on that than gravitics, but I doubt either will.

>>15420586
That will require lunar manufacture and mass driver launching from the lunar surface.

>>15420586
That's why for all his iguana eating incompetence I hope Jeff Bezos pushes through with New Glenn and starts building habs. Once people are actually building shit in orbit with traffic between multiple stations it becomes a matter of scaling up. 0 to 1 and 1 to n are the hard process transitions.

To the anon who did the AI summaries of /sfg/ threads, how'd you do it?

>>15419716
Cost and ability to aerobrake, as well as not having to deal with regulations.

>>15419766
Even a lot of exurban areas in America still have really shitty or non-existent internet connection lmao.

>>15419939
I actually agree, I don't think we'll see stations as large as a stanford torus until there is significant lunar industry.

>>15420658
Those were funny

>>15420658
Was it something like this?

>>15420387
who would pay for that? the african union? lmao.

>OOK OOOK ONEILL BANANA CIRCLE GOOD OOOK OOOOOOOOK

Why do you all hate me? What did I do wrong? I'm a nice guy bros... :(

HELLO?

Sam are you here?? Samuel Campos?

Earther madness

You are too scared to support this because you are weak

>>15420454
iirc Galileo is now under EUSPA instead of ESA to exclude non-EU members (Britain specifically)

>>15420744
All I wanted was a Pepsi.

>>15420746
Jared Isaacman should add this to the polaris program because why the fuck not, it would be kino

>>15420746
Damn that would be cool. Imagine seeing it out the window with your own eyes. Unspeakably surreal. If I was the pilot I would manually overide and take her into the atmosphere.

>>15420746
Hopefully nobody would get toasted this time

I know this is random but I just cannot get over the fact that Artemis 1 flew with a few empty cubesat deployment containers. Like how the FUCK were you not able to complete your 5 lb memesat in time?! YOU HAD TWO DECADES TO PREPARE

Nobody loves me. Nobody talks to me. Nobody cares about me. Nobody realizes how great I am. I am immaculate. Everybody is jealous of ME. AND when somebody actually pretends to like me, I scoff. They think after all this time conspiring against me I will just play along? Pathetic. I see right through your games "/sfg)/". Maybe don't expect something you don't even understand. My greatness. I am a towering addonis. If Elon offered me the captain chair on the first mars mission.... I would accept. But I wouldn't let him feel good about it. He didn't tell me he was going to do it. He was 0laying mind games for his own sick pig brain...

>>15420795
You’re not as smart (or funny) as you think you are

>>15420797
I know.

Holy shit I hate namefags so much

>>15420805
Wow thanks for sharing. Everybody was waiting for your announcement. People come here for your great posts.

I win

this is an awful thread

>>15420835
I find it interesting that this general is so slow on weekends and holidays

>>15420839
spaceflight generally shuts down on the weekends

https://spacenews.com/dragonfly-mission-studying-effects-of-potential-budget-cut/
>A proposed cut of nearly 20% in the budget for NASA’s Dragonfly mission to Saturn’s moon Titan in 2024 could force changes to the mission or its schedule, a top project official said May 3.
The suffering continues
NASA should blow up its science program and start over

>>15420845
Holy fuck it’s nothing but blackpills. Cut all funding for stupid Mars projects, wait for Artemis to finish, and then focus on manned Mars missions down the line

>>15420845
I think its difficult to argue for funding any mars missions, the entire model for how NASA recieves funding should have changed a long time ago, having to play sales man for congress every time you wish to conduct a mission is and has always been a mistake

>>15420755
I did hear someone somewhere suggest that Starship could be used for a Mars-Venus flyby mission as a follow up to dearMoon. It was probably the only flyby suggestion I've heard that wasn't complete cancer.

>>15420888
Even then that's not great. I'd rather pre-position a tanker Starship with active chilling in LVO to enable a crew Starship to do a manned Venus orbit and propulsive return.

What's /sfg/'s opinion on this chadly looking fellow?

>>15420913
Holy shit, assuming you set this up how fast could a manned mission be?

>>15420919
He looks like a women...

>Long March 9 wont fly until 2033
>No 2nd stage reuse until the 2040s

What the FUCK???

Could you imagine what starship will be doing with a 2 decade head start?

When I go to bars I get hit on by women constantly. I am extremely attractive. I get hit on by men too. You hunchbacked nerds in this thread act tough and try to knock real men down. This is the only general on this website I have been treated like this. It really makes you think. You hate to see it.

I can't unsee the strip in the middle of the rocket with the arrows as a KSP stage separator

Can you argue against this logic? I bet you can’t.

>>15420948
The best stage is no stage

>>15420937
>2033
So if they want boots on the moon before then, are they gonna rely entirely on the souped up LM5 to do the barest bone flag and footprint mission? Pretty pathetic.

>>15420948
Seems like steps backwards. You're getting fewer stages for your money.

Gemini 3
Gemini 10
Apollo 10
Apollo 16
STS-1
STS-9

this nigga flew THREE different spacecraft and walked on the moon

>>15420946
true be told it looks like a KSP render

>>15420931
It'd be a yearlong stay in Venus orbit according to this chart so ideally you'd build an entire spin hab instead of just a methaloggs depot and use a bunch of Starships to yeet it from LEO to Venus aerocapture before the crew arrived.

http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/appmissiontable.php#id--Erik_Max_Francis'_Mission_Tables--Delta_V_Required_for_Travel_Using_Hohmann_Orbits

>>15420973
Yeah he was based

>>15420958
The LM-10 was always the Chinese moon rocket to be following. Since it's built out of technology China already has in service the most difficult parts would be completing a basic lunar lander and crew capsule and building the launch pad. The LM-9 doesn't really have a clear mission until China commits to a large lunar outpost or geostationary solar power arrays.

>>15420978
He would think you are a pathetic worm. How does that make you feel?

Is there a future where SLS is flying multiple times a year?

who the fuck is this namefag and why does he pop in to /sfg/ like once a month to fuck it up

>>15420985
Multiple times a jupiter year maybe

>>15420986
It's not who. It's why.

>>15420958
China will beat america back to the moon
Cope

>>15420986
Its the collagefag having a melty

>>15420991
with what lander and what rocket and what moon space suit?

>>15420993
>saying I'm you
You are completely unhinged.

>>15420993
>>15420996

HE IS NOT COLLAGEFAG I AM COLLAGE AG AHHHHHHH

>>15420986
It's Prince Harry blowing off steam after being sent home to LA immediately after the coronation without being included on the balcony

>>15420994
They have a clone of that russin lander in the works
The suit is easy and they already one they can modify

And the same could be said for america. Lander in the works and what suits

>>15420996
>>15420998
You are both collagefag
Go get a job again

>>15420998
No u

>>15421002
Nice try. But you are the one claiming you are me. The poster count didn't change.

>>15421005
>>15421004
Yeah we all know you post on your phone too
Fuck off back to /pol/ or /n/ already

>>15421008
it's a literal shizo just report and move on

>>15421005
>>15421008
>>15421008
Same poster. Make a jig, and you see how material reacts. I am the jig.

>be EU
>have a space agency
>agency is separate from the ESA

Kek, no wonder the Europeans never get shit done

>>15420018
The signs are anti spy agencies, which is a good thing, it just socks because we want satellites to keep track of foreign powers but they should not be used against the domestic population.

It really socks that a lot of the people who oppose spying and government overreach also also have dumb ideas like being anti space or opposed to all development.

>>15420854
This is a whitepill. Dragonfly wasnt even going to the fucking lakes which is the only reason you should ever go to Titan. Hopefully they just outright cancel the project before they get the chance to disgrace Titan with such a worthless mission.

>>15421024
>tfw will never get to see the lakes
I want to swim in them

Remember when this nigger said end of year? Fucking grifters

>>15421031
He's not wrong

We are as far away from Starship OFT today as 9/11 is from Pearl Harbor

>>15421029
You would sink like a rock instead of swimming, methane and ethanes atomic weight is lower than that of waters. Not like thats an issue though, just build a heated pressure suit and walk along the bottom, much better than swimming imo

>>15421033
He's not in picrel, but he was in his assumption of EOY

>>15421035
Sorry not ethane, in a spastic idk why I included that

>>15421038
We'll see at the end of year

Does anyone have Starlink? Thinking of buying a terminal, but not sure if I should wait until V2 is fully out. Also, how is cell coverage supposed to work? Is it like they have their own service or they sell it to companies like AT&T or Verizon. I would prefer to buy straight from Starlink DESU.

>>15421042
we'll see at end of june bro, OFT-2 is NET June following Elon's 8-10 weeks prediction. SpaceX's prediction was also 2 months from OFT-1.

Not an engineer but had a question.

So my understanding is the bigger the rocket the quicker it takes to get to certain places throughout the solar system. For example, I think it took months for rocket lab to send a payload to the moon, but an Artemis/Apollo mission to the moon takes mere weeks, if not days to reach the moon.

How does a larger rocket size allow quicker access to outer space? Since I believe its usually just the upper stages that are still pushing when a rocket gets to orbit. What does that mean for Starship?

>>15420919
>Stoke CEO
Irrelevant until they start flying. Same with every other launch startup. I don't give a fuck about a CAD design

>>15421052
https://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/k-12/rocket/

>>15420253
Locksneed Shartin’

>>15421052
By "bigger rocket" you mean more ∆v. More ∆v allows you to take higher energy trajectories, reaching e.g. the moon faster than a "smaller rocket" with lower ∆v on a lower energy trajectory.
Your question about Starship is tangential

>>15421052
small rockets will put a payload into a weird trajectory so that it needs to swing around a bit before it gets to the moon while a large rocket can just send it straight there.

>>15421047
Lmao

>>15421000
>They have a clone of that russin lander in the works
You can't seriously be telling me that China is planning a modernized LK in the current year? That's even more flags and footprints than Apollo.

>>15421066
Doomers get the airlock

Starship with traditional fairing when?

>>15421070
Doomers get the last laugh newfag

>>15421073
Tfw no 9 meter modules

>>15421073
Never, because without the full front end there's no way to recover it and thus it's not a Starship. It'd be called the Yeet Bus and be radically stripped down.
>no fins
>no TPS
>no sea level Raptors
>no header tanks
>just tankage, fairing, three RVacs, and control hardware
You could probably do 300t to LEO with it.

>>15421076
Wrong. Doomers said SpaceX would never even fix the cryo issues, newfag.

>>15421078
>design a rocket with 9m cargo hold
>can't use it all

Hmm I came to spaceflight general to learn about spaceflight in general but I do not think I learnt very much

What did the fence-schizo mean by "stagnation pressure zones" on shitter?

Yes I know he is going back to his routine after temporary ego death but what is he dooming about this time? I know nothing about fluid dynamics.

>>15421035
What if i had inflatables filled with helium
And yeah the suit would have to be mega heated of course

>>15421083
>he came to 4chins to learn
Where do you think you are?

>>15421073
What exactly is Gravitics' endgame? The LEO space station module "market" is already spoken for, except for maybe Axiom. Orbital Reef with BO/SNC modules, Nanoracks with Airbus, Northrop with Thales Alenia.

>>15421080
SpaceX didn't solve the cryo issues. I think you missed the part where the 2 billion dollar trash can blew up? I mean rocket ;)

>>15421085
Yeah that would work, but why helium when you could just use hydrogen? Theres no oxygen to react and blow that shit up.

Ignore the lying faggot nigger baiting tourist who intentionally lies about every detail, one day you will get doxed because someone got fed up with your bullshit

>>15421087
Gravitics is based in Seattle so I think they're aiming to be a subcontractor for BO or get acquired.

>>15421089
Not a chemistry nerd but doesn't helium barely react compared to hydrogen?
I mean whatever works.

One day i'll get off my ass and build my concept suit and go kill a shark with my bare hands (gloves)

>>15421093
You mean the doomer? Or the namefag/collagefag

>>15421043
not me, but a bunch of coworkers use it to work from their cottages. none of them have had any complaints, they all love it.
>cell coverage
that's a cell provider only thing (becuase of band licensing), it's not even available yet I think, and first version is emergencies only so no point trying to get in on it

>>15421094
Yeah maybe. I can't imagine BO has put significant work into the modules they're supposedly building.

>>15421097
The fudposter who wants us to sell our spacex stock by peddling obvious lies about design specs and other shill stock shorter agitation methods defined even in cointelpro.
Jokes aside this little shit has been here for a while, and no amount of reporting removes him, so every time I visit a fresh /sfg/ thread, I announce to ignore him. He derails the usual thread autism the most so he is my primary concern, idgaf about the others.

>>15421105
I just doubled down shorting SpaceX after this post

>>15421100
Wow dreamchaser can tow a whole station??

>>15421107
tow it? it BUILT it

We all understand basic orbital mechanics. No need to explain arithmetic to bots. The point is why do you act this way? You never connected with anybody or had friends, and you act like this... You are a disgrace and use what knowledge you can find on Wikipedia to construct a world-view.

Reminder

>>15421115
Pathetic.

>>15421087
I think they’re hoping for a sort of “if you build it, they will come” situation where once cheap modules are on the market people will just buy them and throw them in their space stations.

>>15421122
You are wasting energy responding to him. He thinks things are "spoken" for. He lives in a world that eats men. He is a person who feels nothing. He sees in laws and brands. He literally doesn't exist.

>>15421115
Thanks for this

>thanks for this

>>15421115
Based

Will they all make it? Axiom and Lunar Gateway are happening for certain, gateway launches next year and they both have hardware built. What about the other 3?

>>15421134
Orbital reef I give a 50/50, Starlab and NG are vaporware that will never make it.

Ok... I guess I don't "fit in". What if I told you I am openly gay? I like slurping hot cum. What do you think of that? Now obviously I'm being satirical for the purpose. None of you even make anything spacecraft related...

I'm not gay, let me be clear.

How are /sfg/ anons holding up? Is your hype for OFT-2 up or down?

>>15421043
Terminals work with V2s. Buy Starlink if you dont have any better(like viasat or some other), if you need internet.

>>15421134
There will be some dark horse that will compete once Starship comes online

>>15421146
Hype

>>15421146
No one cares about OFT-2. The best you'll get is Boeing flies something before ISS shutsdown and gets their initial 4-5 missions. Worst case, Dragon continues to carry the torch to the end of life of ISS and Boeing cancels starliner.

I watched the first two episodes of the original Gundam anime and the space stuff is SO GOOD. Except for the wonky physics behind the Gundams themselves it's all REAL. Gravity works the way it should, microgravity works the way it should, and the space colony designs are pure O'Neill. This is deeply soothing to my autism. I now understand why Japan loves this franchise.

>>15421134
I imagine Northrop will boot up quickly since the station modules are Cygnus based

>>15421152
Also they're very clearly using Crew Dragon so they have no reason to not just launch everything on SpaceX.

>>15421151
Thanks for convincing me to never watch your tranny tv series. Spinqueers get the airlock

>>15421156
In that case you might want to check out Armitage III which is set almost entirely on Mars.

>>15421152
>two years between launches and not done until 2032 for this tiny shit
I hate the utter lack of ambition in modern space travel

>>15421158
God I remember that show. At the time I was a horny 12 year old but really liked the story. That's the one where she's an android or something and goes down in a hail of gunfire?

>>15421151
Minovsky particles are bullshit, and while every single Gundam (in UC) runs off of a nuclear reactor, they literally never address the insane danger of this except like three or four times in the entire breadth of UC over forty, fifty it's been going on.

>>15421171
I mean that covers a lot of cyberpunk stories but yeah it's the one with Lovecraft references all over Mars.

Hello /sfg/. What would you do for SpaceX to get off this planet? Helpful yet difficult things though

>>15421174
That in itself is a refreshing change from every other fucking anime franchise beating you over the had with "nukes are... LE BAD" due to asshurt about 1945.

>>15419874
isn't it in the trillions?

>>15420057

gotta say, the lead up weeks to OFT-1 were the best threads in a while. now we're back to dook quality of discussion

Rogget Lab launch tomorrow, whos ready to see the most pathetic launch vehicle in the history of man go to 'space' tomorrow?

>>15421212
why do you say that, is it one of the suborbital hypersonic testbeds or smth

>>15421207
this getting constantly posted was funny

>>15420785
They should have paid for a bunch of backup runner up sats.

>>15421215
It wasnt though, but people we're fortnite/two weeks posting allot which is close enough. Even with twoweeks bros in the thread it was more productive and fun than blackpilling negros that we had right after OFT-1 who all sucked off CSI Sneedbase's prediction fo EOY

I dumped her bros...

>>15421186
No, sorry, it's just bullshit. I don't have a problem with nuclear power, but we are talking about a setting where hundreds upon hundreds of nuclear reactors are blowing up, being cut in half, shot out, etc. in space, on Earth, on lunar colonies, on O'Neill cylinders, etc. They would melting down left and right, and scattering radioactive material all over the place, making huge areas uninhabitable. The only time it's really brought up is 08th MS Team.

>>15421225
Reusable relationships

>>15421225
Stage separation confirmed. Single engine has ignited.

You all laughed at the Uranian colonizers, now what do you have to say? There is water on all 4 major moons. WAGMI Uranian moon chads

>>15421241
My anus? I hardly know her!

>>15421234
expendable pair bonding

>>15421225
expendable gfs

>>15420704
Yeah, how do you do that?

How are they able to get deep space photos like pic related when there's so little illumination from the sun? Do they just set it for a long exposure? What would I physically see with my eyes if I was out there?

>>15421241
>There is water on all 4 major moons
Nothing special, uraniancuck, water is so common in the solar system nowadays that they might even discover there's some in the Sun.

>>15421361
It would look about the same as the photo. Your eyes are very sensitive and adjustable. Daylight on Pluto is about the same as just after sunset on Earth.
https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/dwarf-planets/pluto/plutotime/

that starship short film was pretty kino

>>15421403
neat

what are the advantages of viasats geostationary approach with 3 large satellites vs starlinks thousands of small satallites in leo?

>>15421361
yeah long exposure, although that photo in your post always looked a little sus to me

>>15421134
>not collagefag
>makes collage
>doesn't get rages at
This place is an enigma

>>15420998
>>15420993
Is there a reason you guys are pretending to be me? Are you still fucking asshurt over the thread like 3 threads ago?

>begging for attention
not a good look bro

>>15421449
prove it by posting OC collages

>>15421457
he literally cant

>>15421457
New or old? And I'm really not posting collages here anymore because I don't want the anime troon to ruin the thread just because he knows I'm here. So if you see a college posted here from now on it is not me.

>>15421446
We hate YOU, collagefag, not the collages. We can also tell thats not (You),
its distinctly different.

>he's still seething about me despite not posting cute rocket girls for multiple threads
kek i should start again

>>15421476
No please don't start that shit again

>>15421073
18m starship

>>15421476
You were literally larping as me to drum up hatred earlier for some mentally ill reason. Just give it a rest man

>>15421476
I hate you troons, EVERYBODY BLOODY HATES YOU. Now back on topic, how do you wish for Dragonfly to crashland on Titan and die? I personally hope it involves overshooting the mark and falling into the methane lakes

https://www.alumnifounders.com/

Ex-SpaceX founded companies

>>15421468
love the collages dunno why you're getting all the hate

Seeing a lot of discourse lately about the success/failure of the Starship flight test compared to SLS

Here's my take: they're dating

>>15421488
Not sure how you could be so retarded as to be ex-SpaceX then try and compete with them, i.e. r*lativity and firefly

>wishing for the coolest mission not to succeed

>>15421491
Rope now

>>15421488
kindve meaningless

>>15421495
Dragonfly wont visit the methane lakes which is the only fucking reason to go to Titan. If you arent going to scout locations for future fuel depots there is absolutely no point in going when that money couldve been better spent on different things like prepping a Mars landing site or a dedicated orbiter for Titan to scout out those locations. Anything but fucking going there and not viewing the most integral part to our future. If that mission ever launches, I hope it's destroyed. The budget cuts coming now are a good sign that mission will be cancelled soon

>>15421489
Its okay man I'll have them over at /stg/ on /n/ but it causes too much trouble here

>>15421491
Lesbian rockets hnnggggggg

>>15421491
super heavy upskirt shower wen?

Lets speculate about the Mars timeline now, what do you guys think is possible/probable?

>>15421504
rocket boys when?

>>15421506
unmanned landing in 2027 (launched in late 2026 transfer window).
prove me wrong.