/sci/ - Science & Math

>we could have had crewed lunar outposts if nixon wasnt such a faggot

>>15047173
but you don't understand
bombing the shit out of poor rice farmers was essential in fighting commies

>>15047166
Interesting fact: Von Braun is actually on the Moon in this pic. He does not require a spacesuit on account of high levels of being based.

>>15047173
>crewed
Manned*

>>15047166
Hey /SFG/, what was the reaction of the board around the time of Opportunity's shutdown. Since the archive is fubar, I assume there was great sadness then, no?

>>15047195
Kind of just an overall “damn,” lots of nuclear vs solar shitflinging, everyone cringing at normies reposting that “muh batteries are running low” thing

>>15047195
Warosu is back up, and search works
>>/sci/

>>15047189
First I need to succeed in getting a driver's license.

>>15047195
What was the reaction for the Cassini end of mission?

Please only stage after page 10. If you purposefully do it earlier you are a nigger. Anyways I tried color correcting this shot but I can tell it’s off because the red pops out too much

>>15047203
it's also missing big chunks of time

>>15047209
and the original, if anyone else wants to take a crack at it

>>15047213
Is there a good photo of the suit for reference?

Is isaac arthur based?

>>15047166
I long to see the cities of Earth brought down to glowing rubble. I yearn for sacred combat against my peers.

>>15047229
No, Isaac Awthuw is not based

>>15047229
Only because he's fat. If he was thin he would be cringe

>>15047229
His earlier videos that relied more on math and the consequences (e.g. Arcologies video) are great. But the navel gazing? No thanks.

>>15047208
Cassini was put down into Saturn's atmosphere, I'd imagine the feeling was more akin to the end of Terminator 2

Miscellaneous shit worth getting excited for (mo/yr of launch):
• ESAs JUICE (4/23). I make fun of eesa but this is really exciting. Callisto, Europa flyby. Ganymede orbiter
• JAXA MMX (9/24). Phobos sample return
• China’s Tianwen-2 (2025). Asteroid Kamoʻoalewa sample return / comet 311P/PanSTARRS orbiter
• China’s Tianwen-3 (2028). Mars sample return. Wouldn’t be surprised if it beat NASA
• ESA/JAXA Comet Interceptor (2029). Flyby of an Oort Cloud comet
• China’s Tianwen-4 (2029). Uranus flyby

Also Europa Clipper and Dragonfly but those get talked about way more than the abovementioned

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1602058047895080962

No one posted this spicy tweet? DNC and Biden admin aren't happy about Musks Twitter and are threatening SpaceX openly now.

>>15047282
Modern photos of Uranus? From China? Great it’s going to be 360p and look somehow even worse than Voyager

>>15047283
I beg you to read the last thread before making such stupid claims and twisting the words of a boring tweet to derail the general

>>15047287
China doesn’t prioritize HD photography it’s fucking weird and annoying

>>15047290
Why do you think Bidens admin is saying that to a journo preemptively? Casting fear doubt and uncertainty about SpaceX and its its role with NASA? It's political retaliation. What has Twitter got to do anything with NASA or SpaceX? Nothing. The only reasonable answer left is politics.

>>15047294
Go outside

>>15047296
Closing your eyes won't make it disappear. It's already hit the news cycle outside of Bergers tweet. So it's official news aswell.

>>15047177
Wasn't that more of a Johnson thing? Nixon ended that.

>>15047232
Are claymores sacred?

>>15047300
It's pretty clear that SpaceX is on the verge of being nationalized and the pie-in-the-sky Starship project shut down. Thankfully sanity will prevail in the end.

>>15047283
I'm sure the Biden admin isn't happy about their dirty laundry being made public but Bill Nelson isn't a member of it.

They're going to kill him aren't they

>>15047283
I hope the glowies arent dumb enough to follow through with this psyop. The chilling effect it will have on future american entrpreneurs will be far bigger than whatever the fuck they hope to achive with this dog and pony show

Is there a possibility for achieving going faster than the Speed of light? that way we don't have to wait multiple years just to colonize some space rock in the middle of void nowhere.

>>15047282
I did post a schedule I made in the previous thread. I guess I should go back to it and add all the lunar missions I ignored at first. (Neither NASA or CNSA Uranus probes were included since they are still in the planning phase)

>>15047330
Yeah, a better theory of physics than relativity.

>>15047332
So its still years away? damn, they're taking this really slow... isn't Anon?

>>15047335
Do you know how to get to it?

>we cracked wormholes
>we cracked fusion
wtf is next? we'll be having space colonies all over the galaxy soon.

>>15047343
this is my first time here how do i get green texts?

How much money did SpaceX save the US gov in total?

.>is this greentext?

>>15047347
>first sentence
>elon promising falcon 1 in 2004
he's always been overpromising hasnt he

>>15047347
few tens of billions

>testing green

yay i got it nvm!

>>15047356
>>15047354
>>15047348
>>15047346
go away

>>15047339
Such is the standard for space exploration right now.
I won't include mission proposals that might be discarded, and encounters are only listed for ongoing missions.

>>15047346
>how do i get green texts?
You need to have a 4chan gold account

>>15047319
Yeah it's unironically over now. He has fucking lost his mind.

>>15047373
I can't fucking believe our one chance of getting into a real space age might be thrown in the trash because he can't stop tweeting.

>>15047380
If poking the glowies is enough to end SpaceX, then there never was a real chance. This is a good test.

>>15047342
Wait for the glowies to declassify it

https://youtu.be/RMjCRH-MuOc
Set your alarm clocks

>>15047349
by overpromising you mean lying defrauding and underdelivering then yes.

>we're set to break 180 launches this year
200 is possible next year...

>>15047403
It must slow down or else spacex risks bankruptcy

WIAT THEY ACTUALLY DID FUSION

>>15047441
zero practical or economic application

>>15047443
Cope more zhang

>>15047448
hmm quantum control versus zero economic. think harder

>>15047441
I'm not getting my hopes up until Thunderf00t debunks it

https://twitter.com/bubbinski/status/1602052084433448961

SpaceX HLS is still on schedule for late 2023

>>15047453
>late 2023
I fucking doubt it, mid 2024 at best

AND they cured cancer. Wtf is happening
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-63859184

>>15047458
2023 is best, mid 2024 with some delays.

>>15047458
Dont forget that SpaceX has an internal timeline of development vs public. The reason its still 2023 is likely because they had plenty of margins before but had used up quite a bit.

>>15047453
https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1602052220417183747

>>15047470
Does that time line include the expendable launch pad?

>>15047283
Stupid to read that way, it wasn't retaliation or threatening against SpaceX, actually it's legitimate concern and I'm happy to see Nelson opened to ask about it, this should help to stop all fuds...

>>15047453
Not that it's happening by 2024, but it would be kinda hilarious if SpaceX just went ahead and landed their own crew on the moon before Artemis 3

>>15047283
Nelson just wants to make sure Elon isn’t on a cocaine fueled bender that will doom Starship. I don’t see an issue with this.

>>15047501
>If you're not 100% far left you're drug addict/mentally ill
Nice gaslight tho

>>15047504
Reality has a liberal bias.

>>15047534
Apparently if you exclude 80% of the world, you get reality right?

>>15047495
Man a spacex only Lunar landing would require like 20 launches, madness

>>15047550
Wouldn't it just be the same amount as this, except without SLS? Or well, I suppose they also have to send a tanker to the moon to refuel the lander

>>15047550
Only to stage the initial investment. Once you have infrastructure in space, the launch would be reduced by half.

>>15047546
Around 20% could vote when the US was founded. So according to right wing people that statement is true as well.

>>15047554
Yeah, they'll have to have a tanker do a few moon orbit to refuel and then send it back to earth

>>15047558
Is that your argument? Something that was socially acceptable 250 years ago therefore its true today to exclude 80% of the world to create your "reality"?

>>15047495
Or just bring some rocks back without crew involved.

>>15047554
They either need to send a tanker to Lunar orbit, or a second HLS that does LEO->LLO/NRHO->LEO for crew transfer
And the return to LEO has to be propulsive so you better want your Tanker/HLS to be almost fully fuelled when it departs LEO


, and of course a crew dragon launch that would do Launch->Dock with HLS->Dock with ISS for loiter->Dock with HLS->Reentry, if it can’t do such a complex mission they need two crew dragon launches

>>15047550
How could Starship be so bad compared to Apollo, which only needed one launch? Even if you strip Starship down to just the bare essentials it still cannot do a Moon landing in one trip

>>15047610
elon refuses to use hydrolox because the internet told him it was a meme and this is the result

>>15047610
Starship is a mars architecture that excels at putting dumb fuel Mass in LEO tankers and being a shuttle from LEO to Mars’ surface in one way (or two with ISRU), any other use require vast redesign or is possible only because starship is oversized

>>15047610
Because it's beeg

>>15047610
Apollo can only carry ~3600 kgs. Starship does 100,000 kg

>>15047634
In otherwords, 30 Saturn 5 needs to be launched to carry the similar payload to surface of moon as Starship

>>15047634
You and I both know starship can’t send 100 tons to Lunar Surface and back to LLO/NRHO without a second round of high elliptical orbit refuelling, it also can’t send that mass down to earth

>>15047639
100 ton is the low end. It will likely be closer to 150t-200t. It would just need to be fueled up in orbit before going to the Moon.

>>15047634
But if it carried 3600kg, it still can't make it.

>>15047644
200 tons if it is one way to the moon, if you want to bring it back the payload quickly collapse with only one full refuel

But then the comparison fails because Apollo was not designed to bring pure mass to the lunar surface one way.

Im so mad about Elon. Since he embarqued in that Twitter / free speech nonsense hes not the same. What happened to the vision ? What happened to "everything i do is for Mars , my only and real dream and goal" . Is shitposting in twitter you dream ? is part of the plan? of course not and It shouldn't !!

He is just making a lot people hate him, and that will hurt the final mission. When was the last time he talked about Starship ? where are the "We are working to reach 320bar" , "this section will do ...". ?

And , what is the end goal with Twitter ? I really dont see a single benefit . You can't fight with the US,EU policies so he will need to comply with them, so basically Twitter will barely change. The real smart thing would have been keeping his believes to his insides , and working to influence the politicians to his likes (while he was still liked ) in the benefit of the end goal

I guess Gwen will do a good job keeping the engine running.

>>15047659
So why compare them in the first place?

>>15047659
Thats because Starship has the luxury of choice while Apollo doesn't. Luxury of choice is Starship's strength, not weakness. Lack of choice is Apollo's weakness, not strength. Apollo can only bring 3600 kg to moon because thats all it can do.

Starship can bring 200 tons to moon if it wants to. It can bring 20,000 kg to moon and return back if it wants to.

Both options are cheaper/better than Apollo and SLS.

>>15047670
He has been the same for years, faggot.

>>15047690
>reponding to concerned troll

>>15047670
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1602028153777451008

>>15047702
I still dont see why shitposting in Twitter "Must be done for the future of civilization, without which nothing matters" ...

>>15047705
Free speech allows free discourses, which allows reasoned discussions.

Controlled speech allows for echo chambers/extremists to go rampant. Thats why we have the whole woke thing going on in the tech world. Its due to controlled speech amplifying the voice and censoring opposition. This led to the whole social division we have today.

>>15047670
oh vey musk is doing questionable things i think it might be right time to shut him down

>>15047709
good point.
>>15047712
??

>>15047709
Also its not just censorship by the top, anytime you have votings, you get censorship. Be it hackernews or reddit, the hivemind down votes anything they disagree with and enough hivemind can hide someone they dont like from everyone else, thus limiting the reach of the discussions. Echo chambers are formed as a result of these practices.

>Fuck off from following JWST after its deployment
>Check databases and can't find a single paper about Proxima Centauri

Really? Did they just not look at it? Is it in a journal i missed somewhere? I hate astronomy fags.

>>15047610
Because Elon fell for the reusable meme. Space is hard and expendable launch vehicles are the way to go.

>>15047670
Shitposting is an absolutely vital part of getting to Mars. I do little else.

>>15047670
>And , what is the end goal with Twitter ?
Keeping the public on his side. For quite some time now the powers that be have been pulling strings on social media turning normies against Musk. That will make it much easier for them to finally crush him.
Like this, he gets normies to like him again and secures his position.

>>15047670
>It's impossible to walk and chew gum at the same time
>Elon, stop walking!

>>15047740
They looked at Proxima alright. Then wished they hadn't.

>>15047302
nah, it was a Kissinger thing. Nixon loved Kissinger, and Kissinger was full-on "bomb anyone who might be commie because strategic terror bombing totally works"

the man's responsible for a truly staggering amount of the hatred of the US that exists in the rest of the world, and arguably made commies MORE common, not less

>>15047166
just saw this on twitter and thought i'd come in here and ask, do we have a guesstimate of when starship will have its first launch? google is useless.
also hi /sfg/

>>15047325
>entrpreneurs
you will never have been born from a wealthy vagina. entrepeneurship as a path to wealth is a propaganda meme you fell for.

cope, seethe, dilate, etc.

>>15047745
i fucking love the moon

it's so great for springboarding humanity's conquest of the solar system it baffles me that Musk fell for the Mars meme - because that's way worse than the reusable one

>>15047776
It takes less dV to go to Mars. The Moon is more like a tollboth than a sprinboard or gateway.

>>15047776
Moon is too close to globohomo. No such thing as a launch window. On Mars at least you don't have to deal with the Earthers more than once every Standard (ie Martian) year

>>15047776
>springboarding
Lmao I bet you think Gateway Station will be a great jumping off point.
>but but rescue if something goes wrong
Nothing is going to go wrong.

>>15047777
the whole deal with the moon is how much dV launching from the moon can get you for a given amount of fuel

also helps facilitate megaengineering projects like orbital rings

>>15047782
no i'd much rather a lunar surface installation actually

>>15047772
two weeks

>>15047779
This
Moon is and always will be part of the empire, Mars and beyond cannot be due to physics

>>15047784
>megaengineering projects like orbital rings
Around where? The Earth?
You damn Earthers need to open your mind a little bit. There's a whole solar system out there and you're forever stuck on the Earth-Moon system.

Cavitation will be the bane of spacex engines

>>15047670
You talk like a tranny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seIRpS5Umg4

Lotsa Raptor testing

>>15047347
It’s not about the money, it’s about sending a message

>>15047779
With a big enough rocket, launch windows become more of a novelty than anything

Elon got booed at a show last night and now he banned everyone share the video.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BdBga225HBk

Lmao what a small dick cuck

>>15047883
Not like this, Elonsisters...I just wanted him to make life interplanetary...

>>15047772
I’m not going to lie, the size similarities between New Glenn and N1 caught me off guard holy shit

We are so back

>>15047914
…just kidding it’s over

>>15047883
>now he banned everyone share the video.
based

>>15047914
ANON STOP BEFORE YOU FIND THE PUBLIC BATHROOM POST

>>15047883
All I hear is overwhelming cheers

Anyone get the sense Elon stumbled onto that "Mars is a Hellhole" article and the aneurysm never stopped? the dude is enacting jihad, inshallah

>>15047349
That's what he does

>>15047948
>Ok elon, how do we beat the woke mindvirus?
>Twitter shitposting and delaying starship indefinitely
I hate this timeline. So much effort wasted on retarded internet drama.

>>15047964
I agree

>>15047964
>>15047948
>elon's priorities have shifted from making life multiplanetary to culture wars
somebody rein him in

>>15047441
Was it a useful type of fusion or one that generates a bunch of radioactive shit?

>>15047985
A bolide strike on a pretty urbanized area would do wonders in terms of scaring Musk back into full Starship focus, and scaring normies into supporting spaceflight for planetary protection

>>15047995
Ok, how do we do it?

>>15047995
Inshallah Austin will be destroyed

All of the stuff about radiation, low gravity, harsh environments, lack of resources, etc. that are used against colonization of space are just the flat Earth (massive ocean, then tons of mud, then ice, then ice wall, "there's nothing out there so don't bother") of the modern era. It exists solely to browbeat people into not escaping the control of the elites.

>>15047998
Convince the DoD to send up a giant maxar PPE gravity tractor as part of its secret spooksat budget. We just have to make a powerpoint to convince them striking the earth would be worth it because they would end up with even more funding for even more space shit

>>15047166
this image will arouse flat Earth believers and attract them to this thread

>>15047702
Kek i found picrel there. How come nobody told me twatter could make something like this

>>15048021
you're a retarded faggot

>>15047773
nigga you retarded

>>15047208
they could've launched Cassini toward Uranus but decides instead to terminate the mission

>>15047670
Holy ESLniggertry

>>15047985
Culture wars are stopping Starship from going to orbit. They're the reason for the FAA delays.

Musk has to build 1000 starships and crash them into all the woke cities

>>15047501
pretty sure Musk is a methamphetamine enthusiast. How do you think he manages to work non-stop?

Crew-6

>>15048043
no girls? blacks? wtf

>>15048044
A Russian and a UAE guy.

>>15048039
first part of this is true

>>15048043
>the iranian president is going
the fuk

Stephen Bowen looks like their dad lmao

>>15048053
A father poses with his three adopted sons after winning the state tournament. Falcon 9 in the background for some reason

Just do the fucking 33-engine SF already you'll never fix the pad anyway god I am sick of all the redditorseethe lately

>>15048044
those are rare and they're saving them for Artemis III

>>15047914
>>15047919
>Jeff Bezos - 99 Likes
eh?
If you're going to snip your phoneposting at all, snip better.

>>15047964
>it's totally Elon's fault that starship is delayed rawwrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeee!!!!@21111!!!!ONE!!!
Pay no attention to the man behind the FAA.

>>15047999
checked
I'll miss that one thrift store, but I suppose it will be worth it. Fry's is long gone anyhow. At least it should improve I-35 traffic!
I just hope I'm far enough outside the blast radius. Maybe I can hide in the basement of the Alamo.

>>15048067
Friday

>>15047825
Bane?

>>15048067
redditor seethe?

Now that fusion is a solved problem, can we move to more important things like harnessing black hole event horizons for high isp propulsion?

>>15048076
The point was that those were Bozos’ likes

>>15048076
>/sfg/ still blames the FAA when 33 engine static fire is months away

>>15048004
> flatfag fantasies cooked up by judaized Protestant blockheads are the same as rational objections raised by scientifically educated observers

we are going!

>>15048118
I have unironically come around to the idea that it’s actually SeX’s fault at this point. Oh well what can you do. Even Berger said they are past the point of ‘destroy build destroy’ and are way more scared of losing test articles now which is a bummer. But I think it’s because a loss of a SH or anything with a bunch of raptors attached would not only be a lot of money down the drain, but would be a huge explosion with federal delays to asses damage.

>>15048145
Yes. Anyone saying FAA is delusional.
Last static fire they were still using makeshift pipes on the engines to vent methane that it couldn't launch with.

>>15048145
well this is retarded, they should expect to lose some SS/SHs on the pad and plan around that. I think they are tentative because they know they will only get so many orbital attempts per year.
Which makes me ask why they aren’t going full steam ahead with phobos and deimos to launch off-shore

>>15048150
>expect to lose some SS/SHs on the pad and plan around that
they can't harden the OLM against that. it's not realistic.
>I think they are tentative because they know they will only get so many orbital attempts per year.
this is cope and wrong
>Which makes me ask why they aren’t going full steam ahead with phobos and deimos to launch off-shore
florida and texas are occupying all the resources they have

>>15048157
>this is cope and wrong
Is it?

Earth is flat with a dome.
God exists.

Aliens don't exist.
Space isn't real.
Gravity doesn't exist.
Never went to the moon.
Asteroids don't exist.
Nukes don't exist.
Evolution is a lie.
Germ Theory is a lie.

The world is ruled by secret societies that worship Satan. Jews/Jesuits/Freemasons/Illuminati are Gnostics and Kabbalists. Masters at deception. One satanic philosophy is inverting reality.

They make you think you live on a spinning ball.
They make you think you're just an animal.
They make you think there's a deadly virus out there.

Luciferyans are behind liberalism, feminism, socialism, marxism, communism, multiculturalism, egalitarianism, social decay and degradation.

They despise, and want to destroy:
- Religion, specifically Christianity
- Family
- Nation
- Property

Hence these civilizational concepts are under relentless assault to make way for their satanic New World Order led by the Antichrist after a fake alien invasion known as project Blue Beam.

ALL of these conspiracies hinges on the original, mother of all psyops and hoaxes: Earth being a ball floating in nothing, revolving around the sun

>>15048167
the joke is that it's called "Sneed and feed, formerly Chuck's", and if you think about it, the equivalent catchphrase would be "Chuck's fuck and suck". I think that's pretty funny

>>15048171
The store is a well-known meme across internet communities, it's associated with a certain oral and penetrative intercourse joke

>>15048167
t. judaized Protestant blockhead

>>15048163
Yes. 5 launches per year is currently barely a consideration nevermind limiting them.

>>15048167
Keyed.

>>15048171
Haha I posted le sneed meme randomly! So epic and le random!

>>15047194
maled*

What is the point of giant ice and/or gas planets, like what’s their purpose

>>15048222
Just delete it since humans cant live on it. I wish God was a better designer. Hes not very intelligent.

>>15048167
gemmy

>>15048226
Well hold on, hold on. Free fuel with atmospheric scoopers. A hypothetical gas giant with a “metallic hydrogen” (maybe) interior could get too close to its active and or dying star and have its outer layers blown off. And the giant mass could help facilitate life on a habitable rocky moon and act as a vacuum for debris that would otherwise strike the moon

>>15048222
Building material

>>15048226
>>15048232
you will never go to space

>>15048237
I’m in space right now

>>15048237

>>15048249
xDDDD

>>15048237
You don't know how rich my dad is.

>i think @elonmusk getting too political is a mistake
E: Must be done for the future of civilization, without which nothing matters
>How would you rank this compared to other issues
E: Number 1


...

NUMBER 1 ??????????????
how many benzos has he taken ??

>>15048270
No point in civilizing the stars if there's no civilization left by the time you get there.

>>15048261
you could probably book a vomit comet flight right now, which is all those bezos types were doing

>>15048270
Woke should not spread to another planet. They need to be purged from Earth first

>>15048270
>The woke mind virus is either defeated or nothing else matters.
He's really starting to sound like a Nazi.
>"Should we fail, the Earth would be plunged into an eternal dark age."
or whatever they said.

>>15048102
been living under a rock the past two weeks?

To keep the woke is no benefit, to destroy the woke is no loss.

>>15048285
yes, musketeer looks like a mongoloid because he has down syndrome

>>15048270
Politics is the number one reason for good shit not getting done and you know it

And if society is trash where everyone is unbearably annoying and untitled all the time, and nobody is permitted to speak the truth, there is little point in spreading to other planets

>>15048270
We are only a few years away from Musk going through the TradCath phase

>>15048289
for this basedpilled post you have been selected for the based white ethnostate on mars

>>15048289
Based

Good purge is necessary if the whole planet is infected with woke virus. The masters have programmed people to go woke. Musk is bringing the chemo therapy.

>>15048298
2 more weeks

>>15048292
>TradCath phase
lol no, he is too smart to fall for trinitarian crypto-polytheism

>>15048310
>not elon musklim

>>15047209
>>15047213
If you're still around anon I applied auto-white balance and got this

>>15048323
Sweeeet. Looks great

>>15047229
Yes, based on the assumption that anything that isn't known to be impossible is possible and that anything that's possible is easy.

The us government have been working since the 60s for the culture war/wokeness we are now .

Do you think Elon in a couple of months will change anything? I mean what he pretends ? To all the tens of millions of libs that there are out there to change their mind like :"yeah this guy really speaks the truth , what i've believed/i've been teached since i was 8yo is bullshit and i will change my point of view completely , thank you mr Elon"

I mean ....cmon

>>15048336
"No, (you) move"

>>15048222
To look cool. They also have kino satellite systems

>>15048270
wonder what he thinks about Kanye

>>15048350
He banned Ye for antisemitism.

>>15048352
He did not banned Ye for that. He did it because Ye was a hornet nest that was scaring Twitter advertisers. Elon saw that and avoided completely the problem by deleting his account.
But still, that guy completely lost his mind. Like having severe schizophrenia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdBga225HBk
It's over

>>15048336
Nothing worth doing is ever easy

>>15048367
https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1602257153234194432

Also there is this video of him shouting "Im rich , bitch". Its so cringe i had to pause the video a couple times , even if its only 10 sec.

Since when Elon cares about money ?? Didnt he sold all his properties to full focus on Starship pr something like that ?

>>15048352
he knows what happens is he doesn't comply

>Spaceflightgeneral

>>15047184
>t: Von Braun is actually on the Moon in this pic.
Typical /sci poster. Look at the shades, that's how it looks in a studio. If you are to dumb to grasp that total obvious fact better shoot yourself.

Rimfax radiation pattern if anyone was curious

>>15048406
>he doesn't know about the moon studio
Lol. Lmao, even.

What's your favorite cold war era heavy lift concept?

T. Convair Nexus SSTO

>>15048412
Radiation is stored in the balls

>>15048412
>https://youtu.be/9FLRHejWAo8

>>15048406
>>15048414
The Moon landing was faked using the cinema studios of the secret Nazi moon base.

>Engage mach 6

>>15048444
>secret Nazi moon base.
wish this was real

>>15048444
Trips of truth

>>15048444

it's over

>>15047772

Possible static fire

>>15048562
This is good news in my opinion

>>15048323
red still looks a bit oversaturated imo but this is pretty damn good

still a fucking shame that artemis 1s cameras were not even in the
same goddamn ballpark as the ones we had 60 years ago

>>15048283
i dont go on reddit

>>15048524
in the future, even skeletons will visit the moon

>>15048622
Film just can’t be beat. Especially a really good 35mm with someone who knows how to use it. It’s hard to make direct comparisons, but a digital “simulation” in terms of pixel density is about 8-15 megapixel equivalency. All the original human spaceflight pics from Mercury up to ~90s shuttle looks so fucking good, especially when rescanned

>>15048412
nutsack?????ANYBODY GOT THE STARSHIP LAUNCH TOWER BALLSACK HD IMAGES???????

>>15048562
I gotta get back to work but post the screenshot from Foust talking about a potential new partner for gateway. Russia is out. Someone new might make it. Maybe JAXA. Maybe ESA.
I hope it’s the chynease just for the sake of chaos lmao

>>15048638
Digital cameras look better. Just not the ones on Orion.

How might one begin to plan a colony like this?

>>15048654
>How might one begin
Telltale sign of fag

>>15048654
get a Big Fucking Rocket working first

>>15048654
Probably with a city planner to work out the basic needs ie water sewage and power for the size of city. You are probably going to need to make it modular so you are adding capacity as needed. So you don't need sewage for 10,000 when the first ten settlers arrive. On top of that you need to lay out working environments, efficient use of space, reducing transportation. Independence of systems so if one moduel has problems the others can make up for it. My question is why is there an evacuated rail line? The Martian atmosphere is already quite thin, the expense of building and maintaining a vacuum rail system seems moot.

>>15048654
mars doesnt look that good. its mostly flat and boring.

>>15048673
b-but elon says there will be hyperloops on mars

>>15048654
Bring in 1000 Tesla bots as manual labor. Setup a robotic base of operations first with solar panels batteries and rad shielding walls/structures. Then build on top of that rough foundation into a real structure

>>15048677
>hyperloop
thats just a vactrain. they've been a scifi staple for decades.

>>15048682
Hyperloop does not operate in vacuum. It does not run on magnets either. People are confusing three different systems. Hyperloop is air cushion that allows seamless motion. Like air hockey.

Are they still employed?

>>15048682
Well, there is a reason why Elon stopped talking about it. His experiments done in his head didn't pan out in reality.

>>15048654
> muh domes
where's the giant airbed?

>>15048693
Boring Company officially started testing on hyperloop few months ago.

>>15048693
theyve been perfecting the technology in secret for a decade

>>15048654
Would any of you guys actually go and live here? The life expectancy would be a lot worse and it would probably be a sausage fest.

IM RICH BITCH

>>15048706
there would be too much proximity to other humans in such a colony I fear

>>15048654
Don't. That's stupid. Also that's not anywhere near a million.
It would all be one structure, save for very specific things that needed to be farther away for whatever purpose.

>>15048706
No, because if they still have such a small habitation area and next to an Earth return vehicle, they shouldn't have started making that factory for greenhouse gases yet. They are doing something wrong.

>>15048706
I honestly like earth, its landscape and peoples too much to move to another planet

>>15047319
Musk is a schizo lol

>>15048716
I suffer from severe second hand cringe, and whether it’s a person I like or dislike it’s so hard to watch clips where someone bombs or does something embarrassing. How bad is the clip? I can’t bring myself to watch it

>be Musk
>greatly advance space technology
>get the closest we’ve ever been to fully self driving cars
>fast forward to december 2022
>now he’s a janny removing bots on twitter

How do you downgrade yourself so much? We will never get to Mars at this point. Just pray NASA gets funding from the next 5 shitty administrations.

So did Musk get a neuralink installed that fucked up his brain or what the fuck is going on? He is about to fuck up the mars dream with this and it fucking hurts.

>>15048741

>>15048756
>>15048757

>>15048756
Who cares, Gwynne is more fanatical about Mars than musk ever was.

>>15048757
BTW I'm trans

>>15048754
it's definitely up there, I say this as an unabashed muskrat

I hate to say that I can't be sure I wouldn't react like musk if I was that rich

which country bricked ICON? russia? china? israel?

>>15048761
Exactly Musk is a fraud. SpaceX is a fraud. Gwynne is the real hero.

>>15047304
Only if mounted on a pole and wielded

>>15048706
>>15048758
Take the scatteringpill
Make life on Earth so unbearibly shitty that people would rather flee to ANY world and resist attempts at foreign control

#ExecuteFauci

>>15047441
Tokamakbros... time to throw in the towel

>>15048815
repeat after me: scientists dont know FUCKING ANYTHING about engineering

>>15048815
Starship will land on Europa before fusion becomes a thing

>>15048761
>a woman
>fanatical about exploration
Anon... I

>>15047441
It's pretty cool, and nice to see some progress, but doesn't actually mean that much from a practical perspective. They'd need about double the efficiency to overcome any inefficiencies in turbines.

>>15048815
Pulse fusion propulsion is our best bet for researching economical uses for fusion. It's like Hero of Alexandria's spinning steam ball and Newcomin's steam pump

>>15048746
I don't think you understand what schizo means. Please learn the definition of a word before you use it.

>>15048827
Ok chud

elon's daughter caused this

>>15048852
>daughter
lmao

>>15048852
If I was getting cucked by a specific kind of people, and my daughter turned/sympathised with this kind and disowned me, I'd get mad at this group too, it's perfectly understandable and I don't take it against him.

Everyday people get mad at X group of people for stealing their shit, this isn't different

>>15048848
>Ok chud
>/sfg/
Anon... I

>>15048862
It's our resident tranny, don't bother

>>15048862
Get out, plenty of women are autistic about aviation , space, aeronautics and astronautics

>>15048865
Only because they are trannies

I M GONNA GO CRAZYYYYYYYYY

Daily reminder that suborbital rockets will lift off from brazil in the next week and in the upcoming months

>>15048876
Vs average welded spheres enjoyer

>>15048883
This is a space general..... suborbital is off topic

>>15048897
>goes to space
>off topic
less than muskrating

Reminder that the Starship orbital test everyone is talking about won't actually be orbital

>>15048905
Literally indisputably verifiably not space

>>15048906
I think that's old info - it will be like 20 m/s away from orbital right?
But yeah the new plan is to put up some starlink test sats right

>>15048906
it was upgraded to orbital actually, but that slipped past you because youre an idiot retard

gonna be pissed if Mars moons turn out to be useless rubble piles

Just fyi starship cant be orbital. only suborbital or cislunar. NOT LEO CAPABLE

>>15048921
How does it refuel?

>>15048925
BASHING BUTTS

>>15048926
And DEEZ NUTS

>>15048926
AS WELL AS DEEZ NUTS

If it wasn't for that faggot Nixon, MOL would be the first space station.

Spaceballs
https://twitter.com/qatarairways/status/1601955504913268736

>>15048883
yay another opportunity for brazilian construction companies to grift

>>15048888
CCCP typeface logo with hammer and sickle goes so hard. The USA needs a country logo. Even fucking canada has one

>>15048033
>coping, seething, dilating, etc.
thanks for following instructions

>>15048815
>>15047441
Reminder that using the useful definition of Q, NIF is much futher away from breakeven than JET was in the 90's. Inertial confinement systems are so shit they have to redefine Q, literally. The efficiency of the lasers alone is like 1%.

>>15048865
Those aren't women

>>15048990
I knew enough before Transidentity was invented

>>15048999
Are you implying you're an honest to god women and not a freak of nature?
If so, prove it

>>15048984
>The efficiency of the lasers alone is like 1%.
Fuck. It's over

>>15048999
Post your penis

>>15048984
That they play word games about "energy" tells you everything you need to know

Bonjour

>>15049042
pathfinder

>>15048967
USSR and Canada have an actual culture, though. The United States doesn't.

>>15047620
HERO
>>15049042
Siiiiiiiidekick

>In March 2022, Elon Musk stated that SpaceX was aiming for 60 Falcon launches in 2022.
>There have been, to date, 56 launches in 2022.
>18 days left in 2022
We're so close, bros

>>15049054
Were about to have 3 back to back

>>15049059
And it looks like they want to launch two Falcon 9s from CC over the course of an hour, or a little more.

>>15049035
Last time they said they had got about 1.3MJ from the target compared to 1.8MJ dumped into the hohlraum
The actual energy input into the system before laser conversion efficiency and etc is about 500MJ

>>15049063
Hobbit Man, take notes

>>15049049
US culture is huge and pervasive.

>>15049069
So this solves fusion as much as hydrogen bombs solve fusion?

>>15049049
>USSR
Alcoholism and poverty
>Canada
USA but gayer and more suicidal

>>15048919
They could be made of literally anything they would still be useful. But even rubble piles of basic chondrites are full of iron, oxygen, silicon etc.

>>15049085
Basically, but we get to hear this "we announce we are going to announce some very important stuff, believe us" shit exactly like NASA with water on Mars

>>15049040
If it was power it would be more depressing, NIFs amplifier crystals take hours to cool after a shot. It's almost like it's a weapons testing facility which puts out these clickbait stories as propaganda. The US saving the world, but more importantly checking the nukes still work.

>>15049087
>basic chondrites
the leading theory is that they are bits of the Martian surface blasted off by impacts, nothing like as useful as chondrites which have a little water in them

>>15049074
>Jewish media
>Chinese products
>Niggers and crime
>Pedophile politicans with dementia
American """"""""""culture""""""""""

>>15049074
>he thinks Avengers is culture

>>15049042
Bonsoir

>>15048280
>He's really starting to sound like a Nazi.

>>15049040
>That they play word games about "energy" tells you everything you need to know
it was always defines as ratio of thermal energy released to energy put in

>>15048167
Here's a pic I found on /x/, just for you.

>>15049042
the fuck am I loooking at

>>15049137
Ariane 6's test model, i genuinely don't know which parts are mock up and which aren't, but the tanks are supposed to be real.

>>15049136

Ariane 6 (Q3 2023): 21.65 t LEO/11.5 t GTO
Ariane 6 Block II (H2 2025): 25.65 t LEO/13.5 t GTO
Ariane 6 Block II ICARUS (2030): 27.65 t LEO/15.5 t GTO
Ariane 6 Methane (2030+): 30 t LEO/17.5 t GTO

>>15048383
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98958txVSrE

maybe instead of trying to fuse atoms at millions kelvins we could try releasing energy via a fissile type reaction

Ariane 6 (Q3 2023): 21.65 t LEO/11.5 t GTO
Ariane 6 Block II (H2 2025): 25.65 t LEO/13.5 t GTO
Ariane 6 Block II ICARUS (2030): 27.65 t LEO/15.5 t GTO
Ariane 6 PROMETHEUS (2030+): 30 t LEO/17.5 t GTO

elonbros.... we got booed by millions....

>>15049142
I'd say that it's mostly "real," it's just that they don't intend to actually launch this particular set of hardware.

>>15049158
>10 years for 30T LEO
Why even try. Just give up

>>15049159
of low IQ niggers.... that had shitty seats....

>>15049122
>>15049127
>>>

>>15049156
Maybe we should just harvest energy that already exists in a useable form

>>15049131
>to energy put in
not anon, but I think that was his point: they defined the energy that was put in as the energy contained in the lasers, while a more useful measure for practical purposes would be the energy needed to generate these lasers, which is far greater

>>15049158
That's not a good sign for Kuiper, since the A6 Block II was the one specifically ordered by Amazon. An optimistic launch date of H2 2025 doesn't give them much time to help launching the first half of the constellation.

>>15049177
maybe we should drastically reduce the world population <1 billion and get all our energy from existing hydro sites

>>15048934
by the time nixon entered office MOL had been pushed back to 1972 at the earliest

>>15049181
I think for plasma fusion the microwave generators have an efficiency of 30%

>>15049158
>2030+
We aren't brewing wine here

>>15049186
Because they cut the budget.

Helion is and has been on track to solving fusion. The key is, just like NIF, to not confine a continuously fusing plasma but instead do it in a pulsed fashion.

>>15049189
lmao

>>15049193
because who cut the budget, anon?

>>15049199
Jews

>>15049199
Zoroastrians

I love Elon but watching him get boo’d off the stage was funny as fuck.
I seriously hope he shuts up and goes back to making rockets and cars his political tirade is irritating

>>15049189
>france, italy, greece holding back europe as usual
basically the entire ESA rests on the shoulders of Holland

Elon needs to step back from running his companies and work on his comedy career full-time. It's the only way to prove the haters wrong.

>>15049186
Yep. It really sucks that they saved the optics for civilian use but not the stations themselves. The first batch of 3 MOL pressurized hulls was 80% complete at the time of cancellation. These modules could have made cool little add-ons for Skylab. They could have mothballed them for future use as labs for the Space Shuttle's cargo bay, like Spacelab. NASA had studied the Transtage as an on-board rocket stage for the space shuttle, MOL had the same diameter and could have fit inside without problems.
What a waste of money.

>>15049210
It's more like the competing self-interest of a dozen different bureaucracies that's holding back Europe. If the individual actors had to stand on their own instead of being a cog in a huge cost+ super-sized jobs in every nation program they'd be doing so much better.

Yeah, give up on the whole space travel thing. It's clearly not happening anymore. Elon is the next Kanye.

>ready to test
>but "some things" they have to finish first

"Aspiring to have no flame diverter in Boca, but this could turn out to be a mistake"

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>15049042
the A6's boosters are too small
the A5 had a perfect aesthetic balance between center and side booster size. 6 is just unbalanced
honestly 5 is peak rocket aesthetics up there with the saturn v and soyuz. I hope 7 looks exactly the same as 5. Maybe with 4 boosters.

We should terraform Titan, It already has a 1.5 bar Nitrogen atmosphere, just gotta warm it up with some mirrors and add 0.2 bar oxygen. Then we'd be able to fly around using wings attached to our arms

>>15049238
aren't there like 71 requirements they must meticulously fill out before going for it?
you know, the whole history report and hiring field biologists thing

>>15049241
I'm kinda torn, A5 is beautiful but I really like the four small boosters on A64
I agree that A5>>>>>A62 in design, but A64 is cute.

happy to see the return of MOL posting

>>15049230
Most Europeans live in small countries that couldn't afford an independent space program. Sure France, UK and Germany could work something on their own if they wanted but not others.

>>15049071
RocketLab now has three pads and is struggling to make a launch a month. One is supposed to go up from their new Wallops pad this month, after many, many delays. It's not that easy at the low end in rocketry, which is why SpaceX quickly retired the Falcon 1 once Falcon 9 was working.

>tfw I'll probably never see an Ariane 5 launch

why doesn't our government heavily subsidise flights to the oversea territories?

>>15049243
>just gotta warm it up with some mirrors
It's an ice ball, it will melt. Also, would the atmosphere even survive it? IDK how Titan even has an atmosphere, the gravity is quite weak.

>>15049250
Immediately upon posting I looked at it again and it grew on me. still can't match 5 but it's a nice design
A5 is a powerful cock where 6 is a sleek dart or arrow. I mean 64, 62 is ugly.
I'm just glad we didn't end up with picrel

>>15049241
Yeah I agree. I find both Ariane 5 and Atlas V to be super sexy. And yeah they’re old rockets shown to be obsolete by Falcon BUT they’re on their way out so they know they’ve seen their glory days. Vulcan and A6 are just last-gen copies and neither have my respect because they aren’t doing shit to advance space flight. And no SMART doesn’t count. SUSIE is kind of cool but the rocket needs to be reusable

>>15049241
sideboosters like like shiet

>>15049270
>Falcon 9 makes Ariane 5 and Atlas V obsolete
>let's just make new expendable rockets

>>15049220
i know i've read somewhere, probably heppenheimer or lodgson, that nasa very euphemistically hinted to the air force in a paper that the shuttle could be used for deploying and retrieving MOL stations when they were trying to sell them on the shuttle

>>15049272
desu A6 would eventually have been competitive with Falcon 9
If the future geostationary launch market was like the 2010s one and SpaceX stopped inovating and the euro kept being low

>>15049272
That’s literally what happened, both designs were finalized around the F9 landing test campaign. Once SpaceX started landing rockets everyone else was hard-locked into their shitty next-gen designs

>>15049272
Vulcan will be partially reusable and for Arianespace it's too late to can Ariane 6 but at least they started working on fully and partially reusable rockets.

>>15049241
Monolithic boosters will always be better than segmented ones.

>>15049275
Nawwwwwwww
Putting aside the fact that a bigger rocket like Falcon XXX or something was inevitable, SeX would have iterated on Falcon 9 until it was maxed out. Reusable upper stage. New engines with a more powerful engine cycle. Cryogenic upper stage. Boosters on F9 maybe. They would have squeezed every trick in the book if they wanted to.
Although there is the chance they just said “fuck GTO we don’t really care” in which case yeah A6 would be left with its own market trying to duke it out with Vulcan and maybe New Glenn

>>15049210
lmao what

>>15049275
If SpaceX stopped innovating the Falcon 9 would barely have grown past the 1.0 version where it was competing with Antares. the 2.0 version would have swapped out the Merlin cluster for a single larger Merlin 2, but even that wouldn't have been enough to let it eat the Ariane 5's customer list the way F9 block 5 did.

>>15049210
weet ik

>>15049270
SUSIE makes sense politically in that the only way they'll ever get funding approved for a manned spacecraft is if they can sneak in the dev costs under other programs. it's not something that a well-run space program would ever have to do.

>>15049285
if they'd gone to merlin 2 would propulsive landing have been possible?

>>15049292
No. Dracobreaking’s death was a consequence of NASA not weak or strong main engines on the booster or second stage

>>15049297
Oh wait shit I’m an idiot that wasn’t your question. LOL disregard

>>15049275
Expendable rockets literally cannot compete.

>>15049283
> New engines with a more powerful engine cycle.
no
>Cryogenic upper stage
no
>Boosters on F9
no

All these increase $/kg

>>15049303
>Expendable rockets literally cannot compete.
Ariane literally started by competing against a Partially Reusable launcher

>>15049310
Yeah a shitty one that might as well have been expended

A spacex staged combustion kerolox engine on the order of the RD-180 (193? 191? idk what the best single-chamber variant is) would be fucking insane.

>>15049310
Yeah the one that reuses three shitty engines and nothing else.

>>15049345
SRBs too but it should have just wasted em’

>>15049310
Billion dollar/launch "reusable" launcher vs 25(?) million dollar/launch actually reusable launcher

>>15049292
It's not very likely. You'd need an single engine that could throttle down to 5% or less of its liftoff thrust, and that's an even more absurd ask than the things SpaceX is pulling off with Raptor 2 right now. It's more likely that they'd try to stick with parachute and splashdown recovery, and then just go cheapest possible mass production expendable when that doesn't pan out.

>>15049349
they abandoned SRB reuse early

Fuckin ABL got scrubbed again lmao

>>15049263
MORE BOOSTERS

>>15049263
There should be a 6 booster version with a booster on each booster. The Ariane 666.

>>15049388
At this point who cares. Relativity all the way no scrubs I’ll eat a hat with sriracha if it scrubs one (1) time

Are you ready for the Blue Origin cartoon?

Only 10 years ago, Ariane 5 captured the whole commercial launch market, along with Proton. Wild

>>15049410
Where are the engines, Jeff?

>>15049407
Truly satanic designs