/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12509094
root for VIRGIN

>>12509094
first for ORANGE SHELBY DEPOT

>>12509320
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>>12508519
>Funding secured.

Be honest SFG, how much of a pathetic loser would one have to be to work at Boing? Like to join the losing team and also the most hated one

>>12509437
Money. Ssme reason people go work for Oracle.

>>12509437
Just a wagie who works for who'll take him. It's probably much easier to get work at a collosal company like Boeing than SpaceX and certainly BO.

Why did the soviets make the best space music?
https://youtu.be/x5DR7v04YnE - "And on Mars there'll be apple blossoms"

as we all know, chinks do not care aboud ecology or international regulations.
does that mean that they will cinstruct orion drive?
that would allow them to completly dominate space.

>>12509452
I thought that was just inept pajeets and interns

>>12509512

>>12509512
>More repurposed shuttle stuff
In other words totally overengineered and unsuitable for the job as evidenced by that maze of plumbing?

>>12509514
Jesus fucking christ.
Just look at that shit, all that only to be used once.
Somebody make a comparison picture with this clusterfuck and a starship upskirt shot.

>>12509520
It’s an AJ10, which was originally on the Able upper stage of the Vanguard rocket (so literally the second satellite the US launched), saw use as an upper stage for a number of Thor, Delta, Atlas, and Titan variants, and was the service module propulsion system for Apollo. It’s probably the most prolific American rocket engine.

>>12509533
>Using thrusters from half a century ago

Why do futurist fags believe technology is advancing?

>>12509588
cuz spacex

>>12509593
SpaceX doesn’t really advance technology at all. They’re just fumbling around in the dark to reach the limits of optimization allowed by pre-existing scientific knowledge and engineering

>>12509588
The AJ-10 is about as simple as a rocket engine can get. There’s not much to improve when it comes to a pressure fed hypergolic engine.

>>12509588
It is, which is why the guys using 50 year old engines are laughable.
>>12509596
All technology is based on existing scientific knowledge and engineering, retard.

>>12509605
>All technology is based on existing scientific knowledge and engineering, retard

And increases in technologically applicable scientific knowledge have stalled in most fields decades ago.

>>12509605
>It is, which is why the guys using 50 year old engines are laughable

No one is using thrusters based on new technology. Ion engines were figured out decades ago and methalox was always possible; just not utilized.

>>12509512
>>12509514
>>12509520

>be rocket engineer

Work for national agency
>paid to study hypothetical manned flag planting mission
>only allowed to reuse and upgrade 80yrs oldspace design
>no unproven newspace technology allowed to be tested
>have to wear cap made of red tape
>every few years your budget and design goal reset
>do mission-critical R&D side-project that will never be used
>people call you a tax-thief with a cushy-job

Work for private company
>paid to build a mars-rocket right now is it done yet?
>free hands to try any imaginable new engine and concept
>no uncool technology allowed to be tested
>green paper fall from the sky
>subsidies money keep coming no matter how much explode
>get all mission-critical R&D for free from national agency
>people glorify the CEO who hired you to make gravity his bitch

>>12509588
>>12509596
>successfully landing and re-using orbital rockets is not advancing technology

>>12509624
That became possible about twenty years ago because of advances in computer miniaturization; basically the only field of technology with significant advancement since millennials were born, and that technology has begun plateauing due to processors running into physical limits on how small they can get.

>>12509610
First of all, that depends entirely on the problem you're tackling. If no one has approached a problem in the right way, then chances are the actual relevant inquiry hasn't actually been done. If no one was asking the right questions, all of the existing answers are meaningless. That's basically the state that reusable rocketry was in which allowed SpaceX to take over.
Second, technology is the synthesis of engineering and scientific understanding. It doesn't matter how well you know something if you've never put a wrench to the problem. A rocket that only exists on paper is not technological progress. Hence >>12509614 wishy washy answers like "we could have done it but didn't" is meaningless.

>>12509633
>That became possible about twenty years ago
Then how come they weren't doing it 20 years ago, Einstein?

>>12509676
Governments are dumb.

>>12509512
That awful mess is nothing to be proud of. I could hardly tell what the fuck im looking at

>>12509512
>>12509514
Are these cable ties?

>>12509732
...and more

>>12509738
Seems to me like a not finished wiring job.
Allthough it sure looks messy as fuck even for that.

>>12509512
>>12509732
>>12509738
>/sfg/ warned us

Does Mars have sedimentary rocks???

>>12509759
Why did they have to contract a company for cable ties wtf why can’t they just fucking go to Walmart or Target and buy some wtf?

>>12509788
Because they needed at least 1 contractor from Wyoming to say they have contractors in all 50 states

>>12509512
>upskirt shot
>no pantsu
>just nasty growth everywhere and bandaids

puke.jpg

>>12509834
Lewd

>>12509788
Because they can't use normal cable ties anon
They have to be Space Cable Ties™

>>12509788
>cable ties
You misunderstand. They sell more than just cable ties.

>>12509624
To be honest, that's the one thing were I consider >>12509685 to be enough aswner.
We've known for decades that national space agency are mere shadow of what they were, forbidden to do anything costly, risky that would hurt their image.

The technology didn't evolve that much. We just had no drive at all to make us of it.

>>12509864
ye it's in the name

Now that the dust has settled, how feasible was this?

>>12509788
this>>12509823 but the And More is probably an understatement. It'll be a plastic factory making tiny L bend brackets and odds and ends.

what will happen to iss after nasa stops supporting it?
i dont belive it will get deorbited. maybe once starship goes operational, resupplying and expanding it will be so cheap that some private company will just buy it?
i imagine iss being moved to higher orbit so it does not need so much station keeping due to atmosphere drag.

>>12509905
They would have put it higher before but the Shittle couldn’t go that high

>>12509908
fortunetly shittle is long gone. but other crafts might also be that limited. and there are probably science related reasons for low orbit. but once musk buys iss and turns it into space brothel, these probably wont matter.

FAA is seeking feedback from public on SpaceX expanding in Boca Chica. Make your voice heard or else SpaceX might be denied.

>>12509916
>but other crafts might also be that limited.
IIRC Soyuz and Dragon/F9 aren't as limited as the shittle.
However radiation migh get more of an issue in higher orbits as you're getting closer to the Van Allen belt.

I'm looking forward to a Hubble-repair mission with Dragon though.

>>12509957
>However radiation migh get more of an issue in higher orbits as you're getting closer to the Van Allen belt.

The belts don’t start until like, ten times higher than the ISS is right now

>>12509905
They'll deorbit it to prevent orbital debris. Few modules might be detached but that's it. Commercial ISS is a meme - its a money sink. And space stations have no use outside of being hotels.

>>12509905
Aren't the russians planning to detach the russian segment and making that into it's own station?

>>12509970
Yes, but radiation allready increases at that altitude.
Not an issue for short missions, but a factor to keep in mind when you keep people up there for months.

>>12509946
Fuck space save the human race!

>>12509976
why cant iss be used as a hotel then? it has laready power generation, life suport, radiators, cool window. waste to throw it all out.

>>12510002
the ISS is gross and smells like farts

>>12509996
Alter human DNA so we produce energy from radiation

>>12510002
ISS is old gross and probably moldy, very uncomfortable and cramped, full of technology that's nearing the end of its life due to age, and full of scientific equipment built into the structure of the station, and mazelike
There's no point in holding onto a dated relic of Old space when starship will allow large skylab sized modules and inflatables to be combined into new, large modular stations, ISS needs to be replaced with something larger and better now that we will have better access to space
The best future ISS deserves is a place in the Smithsonian, or a soft crash in the Indian ocean

>>12510002
It would cost so much to get there it would be pretty unacceptable from a hospitality standard to expect paying guests to live in that smell.

I wish it could get dragged into Lunar orbit or something and preserved but that's likely impossible.

>>12509996
>Caring about radiation
NASA is replacing ISS with Gateway

>>12510029
mold was problem with mir, i read they used experience with mir to avoid issue on iss

>>12510029
chomp it up into the starship chomper variant module by module and re-assemble it on earth

>>12510039
Someone post the text about the ball of stinking slime behind a panel in Mir

>>12510029
Why? There is no reason to de-orbit useful materials from space, either park it in graveyard orbit or plant it on the moon for someone else to use later.

>>12510038
does gateway even make sense? it will be used as parking for reusable landers, but anything else? to randezvous to gateway you need to use delta v any way, so going there dutring mission will just add to delta v requirements

>>12510002
>expensive
>uncomfortable
>at the end of its life

Keep in mind outfitted starship is roomier and a lot more luxurious. No need for ISS if your capsule is bigger, better, and cheaper.

>>12510042
How do you propose to plant it on the moon, give it a push?

anyone else mildly annoyed by name musk choose for starship? i mean starship is general theme, so now when anyone searches for starships ingeneral, this vessel will show up
he could use some kind of greek/romam mythology name as per tradition

>>12510052
Yeah. If we gave a shit a bout lunar colonization we would be using orbital rockets to put every defunct satellite and bit of space junk into a pile in a moon crater so the people there would have some resources for later.

>>12510002
ISS is an old dog, either put it down, let it die naturally, or taxidermy it
She's hurting bros...

>>12510055
it'll make sense when manned starships start getting names and people will say "the starship endeavor" or whatever.

>>12510049
i know iss is guant money sink, but im kinda attached to it
i remember watching nasa tv streems in 2010s with shittle missions assemblying american modules to it

>>12510061
i read somewhere that people were butthurt where mir was deorbited too

mir was really kinda kino station, with all these accidents. progress colission was something like from science fiction.
and it looked cool. russian modules have much better asthetics that nasa gay alluminium can modules.

>>12510055
Nah I don't expect to live long enough to see actual or at least more deserving of the name Starships in operation so it's I like the name.
I'm reminded of his speech about how people need something to wake up for and his motivation to inspire people. Talking casually about Starship and using that name is also a positive kick for my morale.

>>12510046
>Does gateway even make sense?
No.

>>12510070
Mir was awesome. I have a vivid memory of watching Mir reenter the atmosphere from my parents bedroom that night but given I'm in Northern Ireland and it reentered over the South Pacific Ocean it's probably my imagination.

Skylab and Mir have such fantastic stories. The only interesting EVA stories I've ever heard including the Lunar EVAs.

>>12510076
looking forward to mars exploration is actually one of reasons why i didnt killed myself yet

>>12510078
You can't do lunar missions without it. Orion loiter times in NRHO alone can't cut it. It will also play an incredibly vital role in the mars sample return that will have to be brought to it and analyzed by astronauts launched on SLS to guarantee minimal contamination and risk to earth.

>>12509905
You are welcome

>space is empty why would you want to go there
factoriesinspace.com
Probably the most detailed list of the things you can do in space.

>>12510061
and yet, they plan to expand it with axiom modules
or is it just a meme?

>>12510090
>You can't do lunar missions without it.
UHHHHHHH

>>12510090
you dont actually think that nasa will send crew to mars with sls?

>>12510103
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>>12509094
The only reason I haven’t commit suicide is because I like watching SpaceX stuff. I hate Christmas Jesus Christ.

>>12510103
Orion is too heavy to be sent with a lander to LLO and also lacks the delta v needed to return from there. You will need probably three SLS launches and a mission profile that involves
>SLS 1 - oversized lander in orbit
>SLS 2 - transfer+injection stage in orbit docking to lander
>SLS 3 - crew on orion docks to the assembly
>4 - TLI burn
>5 - oversized lander (probably with drop tanks) burns and enters LLO together with Orion
>6 - undocking and landing
>7 - ascent and docking
>8 - lander acts as transfer stage to the Orion that returns
>9 - Orion finishes the burn and returns to Earth

It's a bit more complicated but can be pulled off with big enough budget.

>>12510112
What a pathetic life. Stop being a little bitch

>>12510105
The mars sample return is meant to be prepared by the upcoming rover, packed by another rover sent in the next decade, and finally launched back into NRHO orbit where it will be docked with the gateway. Then the crew to inspect it will be sent from earth. Nobody's going to mars.

>>12510117
Oh I thought you meant in general, yeah you're right it's probably not easily workable to do anything with SLS if you don't also have Gateway.
That's an inherent problem of the Artemis program though, not with the rest of rocketry.

>>12509982
They have talked about it in the past, but i dont actually think they will have the money to do upkeep of it when NASA stops paying them all together for soyuz rides&etc...

>>12510112
Meditate. Learn something. Build something.

Emulate what gives spacex life.

>>12510125
ok, understood

>>12510112
same

>>12510125
Why not like just land it with a chute on Earth? Is money that cheap?

>>12509759
LMAO

>>12509849
I love it. There's actual symmetry and order here.

>>12509514
meanwhile this is just a clusterfuck

>>12509521
it's a miracle orion works at all

>>12509946
gotta link?

>>12510087
Same. Space exploration is the only thing that isn't depressing these days

>>12510199

>>12510112
>>12510142
>>12510199
Same.

>>12510208
fucking stop

>>12510198
https://www.faa.gov/space/stakeholder_engagement/spacex_starship/

Email: spacexbocachica@icf.com

>>12510084
Mir also had a working shower at one point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0fG_lnVhHw

>see a recommended video
>it's a channel I like, and they're touring a rocket factory
>about to click
>wait a minute it's ULA

>>12509886
>love child of Sea Dragon and Venture Star
>mfw

>>12510040
>>12510029
This would be the coolest fucking Starship flex ever

Imagine ISS partially reconstructed in a special new building exhibit in the Smithstonian instead of deorbited and destroyed on re-entry

>>12510208

>>12510250
This. It would also be MUCH easier to refurbish and clean the modules if you can smell the stench better.

>>12509512
>>12509514
SLS is just shuttle with a botched tranny surgery

>>12510257

It is a literal Frankenstein monster by assembling rocket parts coming from different rockets. It has a warped, deformed Shittle tank with a thrust puck hammered into its bottom and stuck 4 SSME into it. On top, it has been cut open, extended and attached to a Delta-III upper stage (The rocket that failed EVERYTIME it launched btw). Completing this monstrosity are a pair of SRB's to act as a first stage to help lift this sorry excuse of a rocket into orbit.

>>12510241
That's actually a really good video. I highly recommend it.

>>12510231
ty

SN10 getting its missing flap

>>12510241
eh, it's oldspace but Tory is pretty cool

>>12510336
Tory should just revive the Venture Star
They don't stand a chance with Vulcan Centaur

It's simple to get the SLS reusable in a cost effective way:

>step 1. add two more rs25 engines below to boost performance
>step 2. add wings and heat tiles at the price of performance to the core stage that will be used to bleed off the sub orbital velocity and land it on a runway

Its trivial. You can even use legacy parts from the shuttles like the wings and tiles and even landing gear. Since its all proven tech and flight regime it won't even need much testing.

>>12510361
I half expect ULA to be bought out by Blue Origin

>>12510301
I agree, it's pretty cool to see they still need humans to do hyper precise stuff like pressing the barrels. Reminds me of how telescope mirrors are polished .

>>12510363
>How to waste 10 years and another 10 billion dollars
The only way to save SLS is to cancel it.

>>12510361
Vulcan Centaur will only feel heat if New Glenn ever materializes. Which is probably won't. Not until a good few years after Vulcan is already active, at least.

>>12510366
Jeff Who can't even convince the NASA to let him get away with the same shit Boing was doing for past decade.

>>12510379
Exactly. If Tory saw BO as a threat, he wouldnt be buying their engines. BO will never fly New Glenm

Do aerospikes have any future?

>>12510395
Not without state backing, that's for sure.

>>12510395
Yes, of course. Thanks to ARCA aerospace aerospike engines have a bright future ahead.

>>12510395
Considering that nobody bothers with them and everyone wants supersonic retro propulsion to build their own F9 in the next 50 years, and that the aerospikes if they even can be made up to specs make sense only for ssto's... No.

>>12510401
based and griftpilled

Imagine if Congress scrapped the SLS and diverted all of its budget to SpaceX

>>12510411

>>12510411
Imagine if they scrapped the SLS and purchased flights from Spacex to do a space program.

>>12510411
We will soon divert SLS budget to buy climate sats. Thank God for Joe Biden

>>12510427
>Biden can't show favoritism for SpaceX
>Cancels SLS in the name of mitigating climate change
>Climate sats will be launched by SpaceX
>SpaceX gets SLS money
Mission accomplished

>>12509512
Jesus Christ what the fuck is this
Why so many engines ?
What a disaster
A 20+ billion dollar capsule there

>>12510411
>SpaceX announces Falcon Ultra Giga Nigga ship
>2000 tons to LEO, fully reusable, NTR upper stage

Would it even be possible to design an upgraded AJ-10?

Is there a real market for all those new New Space companies ? seems like they all bet on cube and small sats. You know, the companies founded by former NASA guys or just engineers

>>12510453
It's a deep space spaceship that will one day carry people back to the moon and maybe even mars. Of course its complicated and expensive. Rockets aren't something you can just build in your garage with a hammer and a torch. Space is hard. Making capsules for people in space is even harder, as Boing will gladly testify.

>>12510470
>Yo, what do we have here?
>A huge space craft pulling up to the cockship?
>Yo, what are those letters I see?
>N, I, G, G, A
>S
>Dot X X X
>A huge space craft filled with niggas?
>Ohh fuck
>Forty naked niggas coming aboard the cockship
>Huge, hard, throbbing, 12-inch cocks, hard as rocks

>>12510208
what is this?
and why do they need to put niggers everywhere? they could at least put some good looking one like will smith, not this baboon looking one,

>>12510241
fuck ula, am i right?

>>12510257
holy shit you are right
you will never be a rocket lol

>>12510481
Maybe from a cost and ease of construction standpoint, but it's pretty decent as is.

>>12510285
- Do you know how the SLS first came to being? It was shuttle once, taken by the dark powers, tortured and mutilated. A ruined and terrible form of rocketry. And now, perfected. My fighting SLS.
Wmo do you serve?

- Congreeeeess

>>12510395
wach everyday astronaut video on youtube about them

what do you think about idea of starships flying in pairs to mars? that way, if something fails on one ocket, potentially people can move to second one.

the problem i see with this is that with time, these rockets would moove away from each other, so they would need station keeping with each othr in kerbal if some objects velocity differed even by 0.1 m/s, after timewarping this small diffference resulted in large distances

>>12510536
I was under the impression that was also the idea? No reason not to launch multiple ships with some excess capability in each for additional people if some pebble decided to strike along the way. If things are stuck to one ship flights then something went very wrong along the way.

>>12510484
Those companies bet on military contracts.

>>12510536
I doubt they will be that close to another, but the plan is to send multiple per transfer window

>>12509437
I would love a job there you fucking faggot, I'm a new grad desperately applying to every Defense contractor in existence. You're clearly a NEET to be talking down on any engineering jobs in today's job market, I would take Boing in a heartbeat.

>>12510484
No they are just grant grifters otherwise they would have done the same as Spacex with building cheap open cycle lox/kerosene engines and aiming for real payloads to orbit

>>12510577
tfw you are filtry foreginer from country that biggest accomplishent with space related things were some sounding rockets in 60s and you can at beast just watch youtube streams of space related things

>>12510574
the plan is hundreds to thousands of crewed starships per transfer window, with 10x as many cargo starships

>>12510481
The Apollo CSM one had twice the usual thrust, ~91kN instead of 45kN. I think a lot of that was just adding a bigger bell to the engine.

>>12510117
Artemis is possible without gateway:
>launch lander on superheavy wit 2 refuelings
>launch crew on Dragon XL/Starship
>dock in LLO
>transfer crew to lander
>land on moon
>launch from moon
>board Dragon XL/Starship
>return to earth
Alternatively:
>launch lander with FH and yeet it into LLO parking orbit
>launch crew with Dragon/F9
>launch Orion+additional long therm upper stage with FH in aspargus stage mode to not use up the Falcon upper stage
>dock in LEO and transfer crew
>perform TLI with Falcon upper stage
>dock with lander in LLO
>land and come back
>dock again to transfer crew
>come back to earth using long therm upper stage

>>12510394
yeah, I feel like SpaceX is going to retain their #1 position regardless of what New Glenn does. Unless Bezos subsidizes the shit out of it, but even then it's immature tech compared to F9's proven track record. It could maybe take some contracts away from Falcon Heavy but it's not like there are a lot of those to begin with. And even if things go perfectly (they won't) for NG it's still going to have cadence issues for a while.

It would more likely compete with Vulcan as the "not spacex" option, which they obviously don't want as then it's BE-4 vs BE-4. But, again, Vulcan is much more of a known quantity than New Glenn's giant, unproven ass. At least Starship will have numerous test flights under its belt before it ever carriers a payload. And it'll probably do Starlink for a while before the first true commercial flights.

And I still don't get how they're going to propulsively land a giant booster on a retrofitted ferry that has PEOPLE in it when they have very little experience doing so. New Shepard means jack shit. It doesn't even land efficiently because they can't code a hoverslam.

I struggle to find a place for New Glenn. The SpaceX + Vulcan dynamic covers most bases I feel until Starship potentially changes everything. 5+ years out. What do you guys think?

SN8 and SN9 together.
K I N O

>>12510484
it's going to be a bloodbath, but a few of them will succeed and have a good time.

>>12510363
Simpler trick:
>get old shittle out of storage
>upgrade avionics
>launch it unmanned
>launch crew on Dragon and dock in LEO
>>12510395
One can't be sure about it.
They do have certain advantages in lower stages, but their advantages are rather small and somewhat negated by their weight and complexity.

>>12510636
And how many years will NG be delayed when Vulcan blows up which rockets inevitably do

>>12510637
>Finish what I started, SN9

>>12510641
What does “succeed” mean
5 small sat launches a year?

OH NO NOT AGAIN

>>12510636
Is BE-4 even ready yet?
Haven't looked into it lately, but IIRC they had issues and delays with it.
Meanwhile Raptor has been flown on suborbital flights allready.

>>12510241
>that painstakingly machined iso grid
>all thrown into the ocean
watching this video makes me sad

One real launch like what SpaceX is doing with their SN8-9 testing is worth years of computer modelling

>>12510654

>>12510642
>>get old shittle out of storage
Needs specially designed Shuttle Transportation System, $500 million + 6 months
>>upgrade avionics
Raid ebay to find Commodore 64 parts, turn on Shuttle computers, run tests, replace computer with iPhone 1. Lose screw and launch investigation to find it again. Cost: $300 million, 4 month delay
>>launch it unmanned
2 years of testing, $1 billion
>>launch crew on Dragon and dock in LEO
Blows up on launchpad because the missing screw fell into now-empty computer casing spot, causing vibration issues and a rattling that tore the ship apart.

>>12510666
based satan

>>12510654
OHNONONONONONONONONO

>>12510663
Yea, Delta isn't a badly made or designed rocket, it just is based on a flawed concept.

>>12510646
if the BE-4 really has problems NG and BO are turbo fucked. Right now the BE-4 is the only thing keeping BO afloat in the sense that it's all they can point to to justify their existence.

But I think it'll likely be ok since I hear that ULA stepped in when BO couldn't get the turbopumps right. ULA has too much invested in these engines for them to allow it to fail.

By the way, wouldn't fuel-rich combustion be easier than ox rich w/ methane? At least you don't have to worry about turbopump as much then.


>>12510653
Rocketlab is doing fine with 12 launches a year, or put differently launching a rockets as soon as they can build them. The bottleneck with these smallsat companies appears to be production rather than available sats.

>>12510657
They have said that they worked out the kinks, if you trust them. ULA has received "pathfinder engines" which will take part in a Vulcan WDR but won't actually fly. Flight engines are supposed to appear in the summer, barring delays.

>>12510667
Still cheaper and safer than SLS...

Give me SLS.

>>12510666
>>12510654
Wtf is wrong with Boeing ?
>>12510641
>>12510580
>>12510573
How do you create one of those "successful" companies ? like how much do you need to start and how do you start the production of your rockets ?

>>12510679
They are mega-fucked.
That kind of handling things is what companies tend to do when they know they are fucked but try their best to hide it.
And "next summer" is 6 months, you can't know how fast engineers will find solutions at that kind of timescale.

whats up with that?

>>12510703
They've got the engine partially ready, the rest of the vehicle doesn't even exist yet.

>>12510637
>I-it's so big...

>>12510712
With no budget and an engine that is years from actually being fired
What a meme

>>12510703
Wont be out until 2040s maybe 2060s. Who knows.

>>12510636
How did Zubrin become so omegabased?

>>12510721
>Step one, build the engine.
>Step two, build the whole rest of the spacecraft.

>>12510712
wasnt it 10 years ago? compared to pace of spacex, they are literally doing nothing at all

>>12510752
What's wrong with Midnight Sky? Actually curious, I know nothing about it.

>>12510752
newfag here
what is he mad about?

>>12510759
>>12510760
it's Netflix race mixing propaganda with a thin veneer of space

>>12510762
dont tell me that zubrin called them out on THAT

>>12510767
he didn't explicitly, but if you take away the race mixing propaganda it's literally just 2 hours of vapid half ass "spaaaaace" featuring Laythe magically appearing around Jupiter

>>12510756
Yep, they propositioned the Britbongistani government for funding in 2000 and they've essentially gotten nothing but crumbs. They said that 12Bn would be enough for them to have a flight ready vehicle by 2020, but since they essentially got a friendly pat on the shoulder instead of money I'd say the program is about where you'd expect it to be.

>>12510667
You forgot
>bird flies into heat shield tile which falls off and kills everyone

>>12510771
to be honest, i would watch anything with at least semi realistic space travel, i would just skip nigger parts

>>12510754
you talking about skylon or new glenn?

Bros... I'm done. I've tried so fucking hard to convert my friends into spaceflight fags, but it's just impossible. Thought that maybe the SN8 bellyflop would convince them, but no. Showed it to some of my friends and they were all like "wow, cool" aaaaaaand end of the story. Seems like I will never ever find someone to talk about space for hours IRL. Fucking abysmal.

>>12510791
all you can do is plant the seed. Maybe one day it will sprout

>>12510791
fuck normies

>>12510767
No, he and the space folks don't like the stupid dramas/romance shits that plague the "SCIENCE/SPACE" genre that's making its rounds. I forgot his name, but the canadian astronaut criticized Gravity movie's portrayal of astronauts in the movie. They had the actor/actress flirt while working in space, no NASA or any space agency operates like this in mission critical work. They had the actress shown as hapless maiden instead of a trained astronaut, just for the dramas sake.

Many other space/science movie revolve around romance/drama as well, that annoy many space enthusiasts.

>>12510440
>Thinking Biden won’t suck oldspace cock anytime he cans
ngmi

>>12510799
On the topic of space movies, are there any good ones that don't have this kind of stupid drama?
The Martian for me is one of the best space movies, no retarded drama in there. 2001 is also kino. Any other good space movies worth watching?

>>12510791
make new friends on mars

>>12510799
you should like this one then
movie plot is 100% "for science"

>>12510810
>>12510812

>>12510799
Speaking of unnecessary drama, has anyone else watched the new Expanse season?
>everyone is super bitchy
>everyone is retarded
There most be something in the air filters

>>12510810
Europa Report is kind of low budget, but it's great. Just a bunch of experts facing the unknown for the sake of discovery.

>>12510752
he’s beginning to become dangerously redpilled

>>12510817
yes it was disapointing
the first season were brilliant though

>>12510817
So nothing changed? I struggled to get through the first season because there's not a single likable character in the entire show

>>12510782
Yes.

>>12510822
man of culture i see
i love that scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31r09q0K6gw

>>12510780
>at least semi realistic space travel
I'm not going to fuck with you here. This is the actual premise of the movie.

>astronauts go on a manned mission to Jupiter
>they discover that Jupiter has a 100% earthlike moon that nobody has ever seen before, it even has trees and you can walk around without a helmet
>excited at the most important discovery in history, they fly back to earth to report the good news
>they discover that everyone on earth has died in a massive solar flare (the half of the movie's plot is George Clooney, alone at an Antarctic research base and dying of radiation, desperately trying to rig an antenna to warn them DON'T LAND EVERYONE'S DEAD also in an incredibly contrived coincidence the woman on the spaceship is his daughter)
>they eventually get his message, turn back around and fly back to Jupiter, land on the magic secret Earthmoon and live happily ever after, repopulating homo sapiens from a starting point of one man and one woman

>>12510637
Finish the flight

>>12510810
not movie, but i highly recommend 2001 nights manga
very hard sf
http://w11.mangafreak.net/Read1_2001_Nights_1?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=29fa79f91ee588f2ec4cb8fe18370403e18e2676-1609017056-0-AeIJg9-gl4Eqd9oF0Lm0urX0j85cPUqU-FtB-tu0_Na8uB5BER75lgLXv-nFODKCKd6o_sb7yHO60Z3WPLy-hitPDKo9BUQ6S4r53oq98y2lTA09Rtc9Xwy_S934TZ_OUIhTfsgPrZp5XIVvX5t1gAQRAz6OW0BnUIl-bDp97LITprLRH3cfVm1j71hLHDSgA86COHNMmVQfhmIT-0UvEixd0RyC9zH8owfWanfYXuTGlgS2uYfuTUb0Rmsk6-3XfVvlGrCfAUwZ-vX8xjRsristaEXs1E2vYGLsf06ZUxZ9xAPN9swwbdVh3lJbelegT7H2KSlr1d6UxiEvQlAIEjQ

>>12510831
Everyone is even pissier than usual, Amos' entire The Churn arc got compressed into like two episodes.

>>12510845
heres example page

>>12510841
>and the man is a nigger because netflix

>>12510841
ok, this is epic

>>12510791
Just keep sperging about it from time to time. Once Starship is throwing ecelebs at the moon and it becomes cool to be into spaceflight, those who have any potential to actually learn about this stuff will remember that you were the protoautist and will come to you with questions.

>>12510791
find smarter friends

>>12510791
Could be worse. At least you didn't date a girl who was into space for years only for it all to go to hell.

>>12510858
At this rate, I doubt I'd live to see 2025 (2023 Dearmoon isn't just happening), so yeah, rip.

>>12510867
Just hold out man. Play more KSP, wait for the next SpaceX launch. Did you really spend decades on this planet just to miss out on the coolest era of human existence?

>>12510865
dont tell me she was pic related

At last, I finally see

>>12510841
If you ever had the good fortune to land on a planet where it's a balmy 70 degrees Fahrenheit, the atmsophere is a comfy 20% oxygen, gravity is about 1G, and what looks like grass and trees are flourishing everywhere, isn't it basically completely guaranteed that taking one unprotected breath would both result in you dying within hours of flesh-melting super AIDS and also everything on the planet getting devoured by an endless wave of murderous earth microbes from your body?

>>12510867
>dude I totally can’t spend 2 yers without killing myself

>>12510810
Moon (2009) is classic, slow, boring sci-fi
Sunshine (2007) is nice but has a bit of dumb character drama. It makes it up by having a beautiful soundtrack though. Listen to the main theme.

>>12510881
Kinda, yeah. She wasn't super tomboy-ish in a lot of her mannerisms, but she was mostly interested in traditionally masculine topics. She was way better at hands-on mechanical and engineering things than I was. Sort of like Kaylee from Firefly in a lot of ways.

>>12510893
alien microbes might as well ignore you completly

>>12510703
extremely slow and steady due to no governmental interest in funding it.

>>12510822
But there's still the retard who doesn't follow orders, plays reckless character. Thats common trope of retarded movie making. Humans/actors should be rational decision makers, not irrational nonsense rule breaker. The irrational should come from the unknown/unexpected as that's already whats asked of them.

>>12510898
sunshine was absolute kino

>>12510900
How could you fuck that up Anon?

Remember to reserve your space babe well before your flight

>>12510879
>>12510894
I know that. SpaceX is literally the only reason I'm still breathing rn. I just don't have anything to live for. There hasn't been a single fucking day in the past few years where I don't think about inhaling helium or jumping in front of a train. The last time I actually felt glad to be alive was when SN8 bellyflopped, and that lasted for a whopping two days.

>>12510883
All of them answer to cabinets full of men.

>>12510919
so literally pic related

>>12510831
>the first season
>there's not a single likable character in the entire show
Ahem

>>12510917
>those faces
Cheers, I'm traumatized

>>12510881
those girls are all transgender men now, so i can pick them up by the throat (one in each hand) and toss them down elevated objects, i guess...

>>12510912
I got pretty severely depressed, she got tired of being my only emotional support system, and eventually decided to move on with her life. It's been years, and I still haven't really recovered, but I'm finally starting to work on school again, so it's slowly getting better.

>>12510929
Pretty much. When I was younger, I had fucking hope for BO aswell, but those fuckers have turned into Oldspace v2 now.

Musk will die in a car or airplane accident.

>>12510841
that's so fucking retarded holy shit

>>12510923
no retard, the redpill is that they're throwing a thin veneer of "diversity" and "yass queen slayyyy" over literally hiring Raytheon and Boeing board members as Pentagon procurement leaders

Occupy Wall Street was killed by feminism and left wing racial essentialism

>>12510917
>>12510931
anime was much better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbzi14EO5ZQ

>>12510939
Nah, he's much more likely to go the Howard Hughes route and go full schizo.

>>12510848
They couldn't keep blaming all the crime in Baltimore on white men if they'd stretched it out longer. People would notice.

>>12510841
That's TRIPLE gay. From that screenshot it looks like a good movie about terraforming a Jovian moon.

>>12510935
kikes will pay for this one day

Anons, what are the chances that Artemis will actually ever be "realized in metal", so to say, and will not end up being a huge waste of time, resources and effort? Is it just more reasonable to assume that private like SpaceX, Blue Origin and others will be first to reach the Moon on their own? NASA just seems to a joke, as every new administration has "new ideas".

I just want to see people on the Moon again in my lifetime.

>>12510949
I was wondering why Baltimore was suddenly white as fuck

>>12510841
europa report has some issues but europa report is still 1000x better then that shit

>>12510956
Literally the only way Artemis will ever put boots on the Moon is if Trump declares himself emperor and has Congress hanged for treason. The entire procurement and development structure of Artemis is wrong.

>>12510411
>allowing any double digit IQ members of congress to have ANY say in spacex operations
no thank you

>>12510956
artemis is dead bro

>>12510956
If Starship works, Starship isn't made out of magic unicorn dust. It's just a paradigm changer like the Ford Model T was, within a few years everyone will have rockets with similar capabilities.

If the concept meets even half of its promise, the inner solar system is ours. The only caveat is the Space Shuttle had similar levels of promise in the 1970s.

>>12510917
But Anon if your moon gf gets that long she'd never be able to return to Earth.

>>12510956
Just gotta hope that Elon will put a proof-of-concept colonial base on the Moon before he goes to Mars

>>12510956
>BO asking 10 billion for a fucking lander
>reaching the moon
bro........

>>12510956
Literally worthless outside of being money source. We are looking at mars colonies not shitty expensive remakes of something just because chinks are about to pull it off few decades later.

>>12510972

Good, earth sucks big dong

>>12510939
kys

>>12510970
Cold War aerospace budget projections and "we build these things out of scrap in a Texas swamp and have already demonstrated most of our aerodynamic profile" are very different backings for a promise.

>>12510981
I'm just saying I'm old enough to remember the era of "two weeks between missions" and "under $1,000/kg to LEO" and "we can build an awesome space station out of those cleaned and emptied fuel tanks that are practically already in orbit anyway"

>>12510810
The Last Starfighter... it's not /sfg/, it's a /v/ movie, but it was the first movie to use a lot of CGI, and it's got Robert the fucking music man Preston in his final role.

>>12510947
I think he knows this himself. It’ll be something to watch. I think hes only going to get better.

>>12510919
Get a job man. You could probably transition to engineering work over time assuming you have a degree.

>>12510581
I'm curious what third world country had sounding rockets in the 60s, argentina?

>>12510970
Don't do this to me. This concern art is just making me feel like there is no hope. Real shuttle was just a brick with wings.
>>12510977
>three-story tall ladder
What is that, a water tower?

>>12510972
Moon
>clean air born out of ancient ices
>satisfying work with machinery and science
>good food grown and raised in excellent conditions
>lava tubes to explore and strange objects to discover
>friendly kind people, among them your beloved wife and small kids that will grow up to explore the further beyond
>the stars above shining like jewels - the future

Earth
>dirty polluted air you have to pay taxes for
>grueling work in Amazon wagie cage that can't be done with machine learning, your body plugged to wires making sure no wrong thoughts waste precious labor time
>artificial food, bug paste is the most luxurious good but expensive and heavily rationed to "combat pollution"
>not allowed to leave your pod's immediate vicinity, social credit score punishments for unauthorized movement
>ruined drug addicted deranged people kept on steady doses of ever stronger anti depressants and stims surrounding you, you have never seen nor felt love from family or someone else
>no past, no present, no future

>>12510810
I like obscure movies
>Ikarie XB-1
I'd go as far to argue it's the best pre-2001 sci-fi movie
but I suppose only weirdos would watch black and white sci-fi

I unironically want SpaceX to delay Mars missions by two years to set up a moon base first.
Being days away from help if something goes wrong on the Moon is much better than being months away from help on Mars.
Use the moon base as a shakedown to make sure everything you need for a colony is working as intended.
Then you can use Moon Base X as a pit stop for colonizing Mars.

>>12511010
They can't test ISRU on the moon without finding a native supply of CO2 so that's kinda dumb.

>>12511010
Here we go again. The environments are too different.

>>12511015
just exhale nigga

>>12511010
the things needed for a moon base is very different from what's needed for mars
it's like going to antarctica to train for a mission in germany

>>12511001
its poland so technically second world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_(rocket)

>>12510996
I'm studying right now, second year of comp sci. I'm also from a small EU country, where nobody gives a flying fuck about spaceflight desu. No way for me to end up in space industry.

>>12510989
Whats different is that SpaceX already nearly achieves 1000$/kilogram to LEO with a rocket that was never designed from the ground up for reusability and that expends its second stage, uses kerolox engines, and is made of a lithium/aluminum alloy. Meanwhile, the shuttle averaged like 270000$/kilogram to LEO.

>>12511007
never watched it but i heard it was based on stanislaw lem magellan cloud novel
i loved that book as kid, sf as hard as arthur clark books

>>12511031
people that decided that you need to bring 7 person crew just to deploy satellite should be skinned alive

>>12510208
just watched this movie, it's really not that good.
The netflix logo at the start of a tv series or movie is pretty much becoming a warning sign that it's going to be shit in my mind.
who signs even of on scfi movies like this and AD ASTRA&star trek discovery, they are really shit and are going to destroy the SCFI revival we are having.

>>12511031
The government can afford 27k/kg they print money. Remind me again how many space stations and invaluable science missions F9 has done with its cheapness.

>>12510817
Only ones really bitchy were Bobby and Naomi. Bobby is always a bitch and pretty down right now and Naomi's just retarded as always(read: a Belter).
I'm just glad the season-long Star Trek(Gate?) episode is over now.
Still kinda weird how the "mystery" they're solving here has already been revealed before the season started but whatever.
Fuck Amazon for doing this shitty one-a-week bullshit.

>>12511043
Without that requirement the government would have disbanded the astronaut corps.

>>12510395
When they find a material that can take the punishment needed for the spike&cone of a aerospike engine, sure.
I'm talking in terms of reusability of course.

>>12511048
Naomi is the author-avatar for the progressive left.
>mixed-race-but-mostly-black woman genius engineer who also moonlights as an anarcho-communist revolutionary and discarded her infant son to go larp as Che Guevara in an EVA suit
This of course means she's a horrible, obnoxious cunt who in a sane universe would have been clubbed to death and thrown in the bio recycler shortly after reaching the age of majority.

>>12511015
collecting CO2 is the easiest part by far
I reckon getting tons and tons of water from regolith is the harder part
but I suppose you could land on Martian polar region, shovel all the water you can carry and then hop to warmer area where the main base could be if regolith is drier than anticipated
>>12511038
>heard it was based on stanislaw lem magellan cloud novel
it is and I love Lem's books as well
there's also Pilot Pirx movie, but I haven't watched it yet

>>12511045
Very few because even the public roughly 2000$/kg is still too much for a large space economy. Thats part of the reason SpaceX is developing starship, although the primary reason remains mars colonization and like 95% of starship launches in the future will be for mars related shit, 4% will be starlink, and like 1% will be commercial stuff probably. It'll take a LONG time for the market to catch up to starship, as the market hasn't even caught up to Falcon 9 yet.

>>12511063
Mars supposedly has subterranean ice less than two meters down basically everywhere. Just send some shovels and pickaxes along.

>>12510841
They were also going for a adam&eve kind of end on a new eden world.
But this being a netflix show, ofcourse it had to be a black guy fucking a white woman.
Also the fact that you need at least 40k humans to keep your colony from dying out from incest problems is not something they think about in this movie.

>>12511064
I'm just waiting for sub-$100/kg smallsat launches. 50kg frogsat for $1k launch costs would be amazing.

>>12510939
musk will take his own life with a gun shooting his brains out from the back of his skull while his hands are tied up.
And no western journalist will question it.

>>12511063
>water is hard
Glaciers.

>>12511063
what country are you from?
as for lem films, i recommend german adaptaon of star iaries

really nicely recreated surreal themes of these stories
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIb_HAu6KG0

>>12511073
>elon musk dies in an accident involving far-right gun violence and his companies will be nationalized here's why that's a good thing

>>12511081
>what country are you from?
Czech (Ikarie might have given me away)
I'll give it a look

>>12511092
have you watched that one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhSpzRtUYDo

would you have the balls to crawl under a dangling Starship?

>>12511114
I'd do anything to touch a fucking starship.

>>12511119
simp

>>12511119
I feel that getting up close would be the only way to truly comprehend her girth

>>12510395
Probably not, two-stage reusable like Starship is superior all around if they can get it to work reliably.
Maybe one day there will be demand for a purely passenger SSTO, but even then it would likely use something like SABRE rather than an aerospike.

>>12511015
They can test a lot of other shit on the Moon though. They can test different colony materials, test how equipment built for people holds up to prolonged fine dust exposure, test their recycling and large scale life support systems, etc.
Plus, and probably most importantly, you can use it to put your potential Martian colonists to the test when it comes to psychological mettle. If they can't handle a two year stint on the Moon only a couple days from relief at any time, with constant instant communication with Earth, living in ships and in habitats, then they aren't cut out for Mars and you can ship them back to URF.

imagine that iraq war costs were funneled into space exploration
are we exploring alpha centuri already?

>>12511121
>not simping for starship
why even live, sfg bro?

>>12511133
i remember zubrin being against moon base because this would distract from final goal
but his mars direct plan was kinda poorfag mars mission, saving on everything possible. do ideally, there would be moon base first.

>>12511137
yeah, i know
im just messing with you

>>12511136
Probably not because fusion propulsion and power don't seem to be projects that throwing money at can accelerate significantly, however with all that money to be had there'd be dozens, if not more large orbital habitats by now. At least one if not more significant colonies on the Moon (populations exceeding just a few families) and probably at least the first Mars outpost.
Plasma drives would probably also be much more mature by now, they'd be working on some kind of HDLT or ELF type of plasma rocket to take people to the Jovian system.

>>12510395
wouldn't they be convenient for starship? Its current mix of vacuum and sea level engines is a bit awkward

>>12511133
>colony materials
Will be different from Mars especially if local resources are, which they should be, involved in production
>test how equipment deals with dust exposure
Vastly different dust, atmospheric, and temperature environment. Might as well do the test in the backyard.
>test recycling and life support systems, psychology
No need to test those things on the Moon.

You go on the Moon for the Moon. Mars is a different challenge. You may find comfort knowing that earth governments will have some interest in the Moon for propaganda goals and other similar things so there might be small human presence there in the next few decades, if not by the US then by China at least.

>>12511143
i just hate jewss man
i really do

>>12511143
Damn fuck this gay earth

>>12511143
we could have space odyssey style manned spacecraft exploring jupiter system

>>12510989
if starship turns out to be another shittle i will literally kill myself

>>12511139
Yeah I've never seen the issue of using the Moon to start doing testing and staging for a Mars mission, people who think that way are still treating everything like we're in the Apollo era and you only get one shot and if it doesn't work you somehow "lose" space. This isn't true anymore, the political space race is ended, now space is just sitting there, a resource we tentatively touched during the Apollo era but which is now just sitting there waiting to be explored and exploited for human benefit.
There's also definitely no point in poorfagging a Mars mission, establishing a permanent human foothold beyond Earth should be a long term investment.
>>12511150
Yeah but think about this, cute Lunar girls are only a week away, while Martian girls would be four to six months away.

>>12510956
Artemis will most likely be played out even as just a "flags and footprints" mission. If Starship works out then Artemis will swiftly be replaced by a better program that's not kneecapped by a welfare project disguised as a rocket project.

>>12511168
it won't

Universe is too big, the distances are too vast. Who the fuck came up with this shit?

>>12511175
i want to belive

>>12511177
A creator, probably

>>12511152
We all do my friend

>>12511177
this motherfucker

>>12511181
this meme triggers me

is there any way humans could protect themselves from the radiation on europa while still being able to move around? artificial magnetic field generators on bases perhaps?
>>12511181
kek, at least starship has flown.

this is cool. This dude makes paper models and just put out one for Starship: https://axmpaperspacescalemodels.com/index.php/spacex-starship/product/Starship%20SN-9/

>>12510799
I don't even understand why writers depend on drama so much. I can understand some of it to fill out the conflict, but some shows just focus almost entirely on the drama while ignoring the space aspects that the show is supposedly based on. Spaceflight isn't boring if you know where to look for interesting development. You don't even need the story to be strictly hard sci-fi so long as you respect the basics of spaceflight. I can come up with 10 that'll work just well without dumb drama.

>>12511193
>is there any way humans could protect themselves from the radiation on europa while still being able to move around?

Just walk around under a giant moving vehicle

>>12511193
Sleeping+living under the ice and only walking around on the surface when they realy need to do so.
With radiation it's intensity*time=dose
Under a few meters of ice the radiation is nearly nonexistant, and if you spend 95% of your time there and 5% of the time on the surface unprotected, you're subject to 5% of the dose.

>>12511199
>Spaceflight isn't boring if you know where to look for interesting development.
its interesting for us because we are autistic
its boring fior normies

>>12511181
Call me a clown, but I'll eat the bait and fishing rod.

>Vigorously tested, looking to become a safe and reliable launch system
Guess this is true, since it can't be dangerous if it doesn't fly
>He has hardware, and a lot of it
True, but definitely not a positive
>Powerful orange body gives off connotations of strength
Inmates are usually buff
>Iconic looks derived from the Space Shuttle, recognized as a real rocket all around the globe
sls israel
>Funding is actually secured
It wasn't, and they had to write it into the fucking law that the funding stays the same
>Modular design allows the vehicle to be upgraded serving all of NASAs future needs
Wasn't the Cargo variant like 30 cm taller and they had to redo a bunch of shit because of it?
>A cluster of RS-25's, an engine respected by all of aerospace
The RS-25 is actually kind of ass. It's got nice ISP but shit TWR and runs on hydromeme, is more complex than a quantum computer and costs more than the GDP of most african countries.
>Patriotic, covered in american flags
>You son, are a disgrace to the uniform
>Actually being built by engineers
So is the Zeitpyramid, which'll probably be ready before SLS is

>>12511199
This man >>12511206, normoids are seriously mentally deficient and all of the parts of Spaceflight that are interesting completely bore them.

>>12511214
>Unironically calling people normies

Please stop trying to glorify being an autist freak who has probably contemplated suicide and stays inside all day

>>12511181

>>12511225
what are safety dildos?

>>12511222
Hey don't project your garbage life onto me man, outside of being frustrated by this faggy lockdown cutting into my money this year I've been great. Had a great Christmas, working on building a DIY drill press, maybe you need to get the fuck off this board though because I don't think it's going to be for you.

>>12511206
>>12511214
I guess I should've been more specific. Sure just showing the raw uncensored rocket porn wouldn't be interesting to most people despite it being hot to space fans, but you can still take something interesting from spaceflight and ask "what would someone use this for?". I mean, there are stories about places cultures and times that most people aren't really aware of and those are still hits so spaceflight wouldn't be too alien to them.

>>12511227
Dildos that expand at the end so they don't slip all the way into your bowel.

>>12511222
Go back

>>12511143
>muh meme engines

What a joke and where do they get power from

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2020/12/earth-to-earth-supersonic-airliners/
>For suborbital transportation, Astra has proposed an upgrade to the Rocket 3 family, named Rocket 5. The first stage of Rocket 5 would be identical to that on Rocket 3. The second stage would be similar to the first stage, except with a single engine instead of five. The final stage of Rocket 5 would be the same as Rocket 3’s upper stage. This vehicle could be available for suborbital cargo deliveries no earlier than 2022.
wait what?

So if things go well and following the process of previous launches we should see a pressure test on the 28th, static just after new years, wet dress rehearsal between the 4th and 9th and finally a hop between the 11th and 17th correct?

>>12511194
I want to master the craft of paper models, but I feel like it requires mastering 20+ crafts in and of itself. Cutting, pasting, patience, painting, detailing... any good guides to get started? Preferably with cardstock?

>>12511238
>more stages to an orbital rocket
>it's now suborbital
does not compute

>>12510841
sounds like a really shitty version of seveneves.

>>12511242
Watch out Elon. SLS will complete its fourth wet dress rehearsal for the test fire for the test flight and you'll feel dumb with your silly tin rocket that actually flies

>>12511238
>>12511247
ICBM

>>12510930
exactly the only season i enjoyed, and it was mostly a noir thriller haha

>>12511202
i asked if there were feasible methods of protection for walking on the surface.

>>12511257
>transported by truck
>rapidly deployable
>secretive company
>military interest
It all makes sense now. Can't wait for the first private ICBM.

>>12511238
>oh shit the space force and transcom are shitting themselves to get their hands on Starship how do we compete
>idk add more stages

>>12511260
Remember that government article that discussed suborbital cargo and troop delivery with starship? They mentioned astra in it too, so I'm not surprised about this.

>>12511260

>>12510208
its shit, all drama and no space kino

>>12511260
imagine having to deal with a shitty used ICBM salesman.

>>12511234
Go hiking

>>12511260
>the first private ICBM
Spoiler: Every fucking ICBM was built by private companies for the governments except for in communist states. They're neither first nor novel.

>>12511268
Does anyone have that article? I don't remember it saying much about Astra, but I wanna check.

>>12511276
The same could be said for all western civilian rockets too.

>>12511283
Pretty much, yes. Like it or not, governments will always be the biggest customer but in the case of ICMBs, the governments are the only customers.

>>12511286
*ICBMs. I'm in the Navy Strength gin right now. Cheers and merry christmas motherfuckers.

>>12511290
Merry Christmas Oort cloud poster

>>12511280
nevermind, found it
https://issuu.com/defensetransportationjournal/docs/dtj171_web?fr=sNzM2ZTI1MjEzNjg&fbclid=IwAR3nAqsopvEpPDKpqsMyMWXyayuTN4lmFAp0FxoGkGJdoM4z7AcUaFFJb1A

>Smaller companies, such as Astra, are promising thousands of annual launches with their launch schedules.
>USTRANSCOM and Space Force must establish critical contracts with SpaceX, Blue Origin, Astra, or any other viable launch service provider before the need becomes urgent.
Nowhere does it refer to Astra alone, but I wonder what they meant by the "thousands of annual launches" thing.

This is so tiresome.

>>12511312
what is?

>>12511318
>shittle this shittle that
Grandpa Shuttle got enough.

>>12511312
They took this from us so they can pay off Senators

>>12511324
>>12511312
Go away shittle. Spaceplanes are a fucking stupid idea.

>>12511312
..are those jet engines?

>>12511340
Shut the fuck up. Spaceplanes is the future that got taken away from us. Weren't it for Musk and his Starship, we would get stuck in 20th century.

>>12511340
Starship is a spaceplane and probably glides better at hypersonic speeds than Shittle

>>12511351
Sure are. Some SSTO abomination that was not well thought out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz75TMHuk6Q
When will we seize our destiny and voyage among the stars?

>>12511372
idk that sounds like it involves getting up, maybe even putting pants on

>>12511250
Well seveneves was already kind of shitty because of the second part. But it was a relatively grounded book at first with hard-ish scifi elements and it had a musk character as well as neil degrasse. Midnight Sky is just another pretentious look at human "relations" in a soft scifi setting, it'll probably bomb like "Away" even with Clooney because space buffs want space stuff and science fiction enthusiasts are looking for an original take on the impact of science and technique on humans.

>>12511114
The size of that wing!!
starship is a beast.

>>12511250
Still salty that Solo killed the Seveneves movie.

>>12511372
Hopefully never. Humans should die on earth where we were born.

>>12511386
>not going commando in space
In space; no one will know you're not wearing any pants.

>>12510719
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9s4fuOL3FM

>>12511365
Lol starship doesn't glide for shit. Those flaps just provide drag and stability.

>>12511434
>Lol starship doesn't glide for shit
yeah but neither does Shuttle
>Those flaps just provide drag and stability.
they demonstrated a couple kilometers of crossrange on the SN8 flight

>>12511440
Is there a map view of boca with the SN8 trajectory mapped?

>>12511449
I'm not aware of one, but if you watch the recap video they very clearly got a good distance offshore before "gliding" back over the pad

>>12511306
Galactic Federation told us to hurry the fuck up.

>>12511434
>>12511440


>>12511449
https://flightclub.io/result/3d?id=06451092-e2b2-4c00-973d-dfa935f96943

>>12510679
>Right now the BE-4 is the only thing keeping BO afloat
Last I heard, NASA gave BO the greenlight to start bidding on launch contracts with NG as the launcher.
I bet NASA saw that BO was struggling and is allowing their paper rocket to be a real vehicle so they can start getting those sweet cost-plus contracts that Boing can't get.

>>12511484
sounds like it "flies" when going really fast, moreso falls when going slow.

>>12511485
>I bet NASA saw that BO was struggling
Why the hell would Blorigin struggle? They have daddy jeff to support them and tons of experienced engineers

>>12511245
Go get a job with any rocket company other than SpaceX.
They're all making reusable paper rockets right now.

>>12511494
>They have daddy jeff to support them
Yes, he can write blank checks all day, but after billions of bezo bucks and no products to show, I wouldn't be too surprised if Jeff Who starts considering cutting back or something else.

>>12511494
Blue Origin hired bunch of military/gov officials to lead the company. They want government contracts bad and they will resort to oldspace tactics.

>>12511494
Daddy Jeff's money is tied up in Ireland. He'd have to tax them dearly to bring them back into the US economy. That's the downside of the BEPS medallion.

>>12511503
>BEPS medallion
What's that?

>>12511530
Baseline Erosion and Profit Shifting. The shit Jeff has done to avoid paying taxes to Uncle Sam and why he's heavily partaking of the pork barrel to fund Blue Origin. He can't move money from Amazon back to the US without having to pay taxes from it. The only thing Amazon brings in in taxes for the US is domestic sales taxes and employee wage taxes.

>>12511530

>>12511535
That sounds illegal

>>12511535
Anyone participating and enabling this shit should be fucking shot.

>>12511545
yep

>>12511543
Fully above board and 100% legal. Morally repugnant as fuck though but that's just business. Apple pioneered it.
Until January 1st of 2020 most of them used a loophole to prevent paying any taxes by funneling it through another country.

And yes, they should be put against a wall. It's not just an American thing. It's fully international.

>>12511543
Lol bro, welcome to reality. Every single large company does this and have been since pretty much forever.

>>12511547
Let me guess. Any proposed law to stop or regulate it has been quietly shut down?

>>12511503
Make BO a non-profit and now they are untaxable donations :^)

>>12511552
International trade treaties allow it. If you want to put a stop to it, you need to break every fucking trade treaty you have as well as the WTO and invade every fucking country they tuck their shit away in.
Godspeed.

But we are trying to put in legislation to cut down on this shit in various countries. It's not fucking working though, there is an entire industry set up to work this shit.

>>12511554
so basically the US could if we wanted to but nobody else has a prayer

>>12510679
>By the way, wouldn't fuel-rich combustion be easier than ox rich w/ methane?
100%, I can't think of a reason why they chose to do ORSC for BE-4 other than being able to sell the engine as an American technological counterpart to the Russian RD-180 ORSC engine. A sort of "to prove we can do it too" decision.

>>12511558
No, since when could the US dictate international trade? Those days are long past. You'd think people would have learned that after the tiff between the US and China. The best they can do now is put in sanctions. They're not in a position do dictate jack shit anymore, nobody is in that position anymore on their own.

>>12510703
Never happening ever.
>>12510712
No, they have the air precooler partially ready. The engine development hasn't even been started.

>>12511563
Applying unilateral sanctions backed by military force is the definition of dictating international trade.

>>12511570
>backed by military force
Yes, go invade Ireland. That sounds like a popular plan any president would just fucking jump to, doesn't it?
Are you fucking 7 years old or something?

>>12511562
they managed to steal the blueprints for half a Raptor

>>12511572
Tell me anon what happens if Iran tries to export their oil? What do you think would happen to say, Panama or the Caymans if they suddenly said fuck off we won't be your tax havens anymore?

Will Mars become a tax haven?

>>12511579
Tell me, what happens to a sitting president if he goes "Let's fuck with an ally and invade and sanction them for some shit we've also signed just because we don't like it"?
Use your fucking head.

>>12511582
Yeah if you’re willing to convert your whole net worth to dogecoin

>>12511584
>the American Invasion of Ireland is widely seen as the event marking the end of the 20th century neoliberal world order and the beginning of the American Empire period, spanning 2023–2077

>>12511584
You've just invented a strawman. The US dictates global trade by use of threats and application of military force.

>>12511591
The US tries to dictate terms with sanctions. It's less than successful these days more often than not. The US is not the manufacturing or economic powerhouse it used to be. WW2 and the boom that followed is long past.

>>12511010
>Then you can use Moon Base X as a pit stop for colonizing Mars
No, this never makes sense to do. In fact having Starship's capabilities only makes Moon pit stop make LESS sense.