/sci/ - Science & Math

there's also a 1 in 2^100 that the series of coins i flipped 100 times ended up in that specific order
just because it's rare doesn't make it matter

>>14498156
After you die, you won’t exist anymore. You didn’t exist before you were born. Any person with a brain can see the pattern here..

>>14498156
>1 in 10^2,685,000
Out of what?

God. Real answer.

>>14498156
Nice dressing for the most brainlet take on chance
"Look at how astronomically small your chances are" is pointless when you have to take an astronomically large chance space to compare it to, which results in astronomically large chance of something similar to happen

>>14498177
Given infinite time, what's the odds that we will never exist again within the span of infinity?

>>14498156
So a trillion quadrillion potential people didn't get born and a much smaller number of potential people did get born.
Never understood why this is supposed to be mind blowing.
Of course you're going to exist if you're here to ask why you exist to begin with.
Either you won't be here to notice or care or you'll be here and be a self-obsessed pseud before no longer existing.

>>14498156
That image is beyond retarded.

>>14498472
Not really a meaningful question because sense of identity is a social convenience rather than a physical fact. There's not any way to confirm the "you" born again in the far future is "you" or not "you."

>>14498500
The “you” isn’t even constant in this life. Imagine if your genetics were changed, your appearance, your memories, thoughts, beliefs, memories. Would you be the same person? You certainly wouldn’t feel so. The only thing holding your sense of self is memory. The self is beyond physical attributes. Either it is pure awareness or it simply doesn’t exist

>>14498177
>After you die, you won’t exist anymore.
I wish.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/nous.12295

>>14499041
You =/= a future you

>>14499119
Wow, compelling.

File it under "It can't happen because... It just can't!"

>>14498156
>The odds of you being born are 1 in 10^2,685,000
So? If I have a die with 10^2,685,000 faces on it and roll it, the face that results (if it could be conscious of my roll) may feel very lucky and special, but from my perspective, one of the faces had to appear, and I don't find this at all amazing.

>>14499130
If you don't remember what you were before, evidence suggests you won't in the future. After all, you believe you are immortal. kek
immortally dumb

>>14498156
Write down a random number between 1 and 10^2,685,000 (just pretend).
Now look at the number (just pretend).
Does it suddenly strike you as a very magical number just because you picked it?

>>14498156
In a national lottery, the winner feels that something incredible has happened, but the lottery manager considers it to be business as usual.

>>14499247
>If you don't remember what you were before, evidence suggests you won't in the future.
Yeah, that's called false equivalence.

Anybody with half-a-brain have anything resembling a thought on the matter?

>>14499290
the cope is real

>>14499310
Coping would be believing I'm going to fade away and be unbothered in non-existence. Again, you're a mong.

>>14499312
>it's not c-coping!
Nothing to prove that assertion. Whatever dumb fuck, believe what you want. You are not much different from those who believe that there are 99 genders. Just like I don't give a shit about their delusions, I don't give a shit about yours.

>>14499322
>99 genders
>can't into induction
So you lack critical thinking skills and want to talk about trannies.

May I suggest
>>>/pol/

>>14498156
should be zero

who even thought this unverse was a good idea

>>14499326
>induction
linking an abstract from some shit paper is now inductive reasoning. LMAO

>>14499335
I linked the paper. You really are something special.

>>14499341
Conjecture is not proof.

>>14499349
I never offered a proof. The "argue something else so I don't look like an idiot" strategy isn't working for you here.

>>14499354
If there isn't a proof, how can one be so certain of being "immortal".

>>14499356
I'm not certain. I'm providing an argument against non-existence that is being opposed by your certainty in annihilation. The burden of proof is on you.

>>14499360
>I'm not certain
Your previous post disagrees with you.
>Coping would be believing I'm going to fade away and be unbothered in non-existence.

>>14498156

God.

>>14499363
Read it again, then again, and as many times as it takes to realize that nowhere in that statement does it posit I am certain of anything.

>>14498156
all those numbers of chance mean nothing. consciousness would have been achieved regardless. so the actual chance of me being here is guaranteed because my parents and their ancestors do not have an affect on my consciousness coming into being. that's something magic beyond the realm of understanding..

>>14498500
>le semantics
>not even answering the question

>>14499370
effect*

>>14499290
Nah, pretty sure that's just an actual equivalence. If you can have a finite past when you existed then why can't you have a finite future?

>>14499388
Because you're assuming a symmetry between the states.

It is a 100% chance
It happened, so we have proof

>>14498156
You are connected to a server. It's called God. Or the infinite, immeasurable, infallible, presence of light. Sir roger penrose has a fascinating theory about the big bang being an infinite forward moving event that expands until all matter collapses. At which point time can no longer be measured, thus the universe has no way to know its scale and another singularity starts the big bang. You've been there for every single one of these singularities.

>>14498156
the odds of being born, given that you ask the question, is precisely 1

>>14498156
reddit

>>14499041
I remember a Frank Wilczek interview where he said that there isn't necessarily a guarantee that an infinite future would contain infinite diversity, there are conceivable lifeless loop infinity futures, not sure what any of it means of course.

>>14498156
Every idea exists. You don't create ideas, you implement an instance of the ideas in your mind. That your body was born is unsurprising, as there are billions of bodies. That you as a person exist is unsurprising, as there are an infinite amount of people ideas. That you in particular are the person idea in your particular body is extremely unlikely, literally one in infinity, but irrelevant because some person was going to be in your body. Enjoy your body while it lasts, and when it dies you'll return to wherever ideas live. You always exist even when you're not conscious.

>>14499597
Everything you say is correct, however I need a different/better definition of ideas. I get it (and think it is) as "chance of something to happen or be in a particular way", is that what you mean?

>>14498156
a lottery with terrible odds != a lottery with no odds
someone is guaranteed to win the lottery
the chances that it's you is astronomically small, but it's not zero

>>14499119
So is every moment of our life a different person too?

I exist because mom and dad had sex

>>14499041
Here it is for download on scihub:
https://sci-hub.st/https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/nous.12295
Thanks for sharing it btw.

>>14499041
I think the logic behind this theory is disturbingly sound but whenever you bring it up to people who are interested in metaphysics they get really butthurt about it.

>>14498472
1/infinity
>>14498500
You have to be truly the most retarded person on /sci/, and that is saying a fuck of a lot. The anon you replied to did not question whether or not we can confirm that a future him is really him; he questioned whether or not a future him will exist. Something that is true is still true even if we do not know it to be true, you absolute fucktarded fucktard. Go shitpost on redd*t and never come back here ever again.

>>14499041
>>14500940
Relevant.
>>14499581
Obviously. That doesn't change the fact that existing now = existing eternally.

>>14499581
Oh, I didn't catch the word 'lifeless'. That part is wrong. Consciousness exists now so it always will. You are correct that infinite diversity is not guaranteed (and is actually quite unlikely).

>>14499388
Because finite time/infinite time = 0 probability, so consciousness is guaranteed immortal. That need only go into the future if time itself is only infinite into the future, not into the past.

>>14498156
Did none of you phaggots take elementary statistics? Odds of you being born is 1 since it already happened.

>>14498156
Sperm doesn’t determine your soul.

Also: https://youtu.be/saLnYMis8JM

>>14501000
They are just extremely materialistic and fedora tippers who think sperm determines soul/consciousness.

https://youtu.be/saLnYMis8JM

>>14500984
Time is just an artificial abstract construct anyways.

>>14498156
Survivorship bias

>>14498156
>How did i came from nothingness?
You came out of your mother's cunt
>How is that even possible?
Your father came into your mother's cunt

>>14500940
>>14500973
I posted the original link.

To be fair, I don't really adhere to this. AFAIK when we die, we're gone. The difference between me and other materialists is I don't presume to know one way or the other. I consider it unknowable, mostly because it is, truly.

What cheeses to meet me is the fact that both sides DO pretend to know with 100% certainty. The thing I'm always trying to point out is that belief in nothingness after death is entirely dogmatic. To take annihilation or its opposite as some bedrock truth is to take a big step towards understanding nothing.

I hope and believe death is the end, but I'll never pretend this is some scientific certainty.

>>14498177
>After you die, you won’t exist anymore. You didn’t exist before you were born
Wrong reasoning
You didn't think there was something else when you were in your mother's belly. One day, you suddenly left that place a new world appeared. The same in this life.
https://youtu.be/P8Y7xaLE7EA?t=24

>>14501840
Ow the edge, watch these videos edgelord:

https://youtu.be/saLnYMis8JM

https://youtu.be/x-6hosFAObI

>>14502286
>watch these videos edgelord
Why would I?

You make zero sense. You use edgelord incorrectly and you expect me to waste my life watching your youtube vids?

You catch more flies with honey, dipshit.

>>14502296
It’s called the Electric Universe buddy, which is real science. Also you are going to cheaply try and discredit something just because it’s on YouTube?

I called you an edgelord because your materialistic bullshit and think death is just “nothingness”.

>>14502296
It you need more info, look at this thread: >>14490128

>>14502305
>It’s called the Electric Universe buddy, which is real science
You got me.

>>14502313
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Lori-Gardi/publication/330737944_Particles_of_the_Universe_Meets_the_Electric_Universe/links/5c64310792851c48a9d23cf4/Particles-of-the-Universe-Meets-the-Electric-Universe.pdf

>>14502313
https://www.everythingselectric.com/wp-content/uploads/An-Electric-Universe-View-of-Stellar-and-Galactic-Formation.pdf

>>14502313
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Marek-Zbik-3/publication/359559883_THE_ELECTRIC_UNIVERSE/links/6243686757084c718b745c04/THE-ELECTRIC-UNIVERSE

>>14498156
Wrong, I have already been born so the odds of me being born are 1/1.

>>14499758
I do think if you cut apart two people (or whatever encapsulates their identities) without killing them, somehow, and combine them you would get either someone new or only one of the two survives. But not both simultaneously.
Destruction of physical continuity implies a new person, even if it's a perfect clone. With reincarnation, the destruction is 100% instead of only 50% like with this thought experiment.

>>14498156
>How is that even possible?
Your question already assumes you exist. Ask Aristotle and you'll see.

>>14502608
This explains things more: https://youtu.be/saLnYMis8JM

>>14498156
Tard, odds of anyone being born is 100% as nobody can read this without being born