/sci/ - Science & Math

sorry i cant stay up to watch this bros, im barely awake. see you all tomorrow

aeiou

John Madden

How badly does picrel style of management affect Boing's spaceflight business?

>>16165453
There's a reason the first Starliner flight ended in the Indian RCS Shimmy.

Does someone have the link or image to the article talking about how the pajesh programmers at boeing used "Delhi time" in an internal clock on either starliner or on the 737? Everything seems to be wiped from the internet yet i clearly remember this

>>16165473
You're probably thinking of shartliner, that was 11 hours off where it should've been. But that would only put the "timezone" somewhere in East Asia, and most likely that clock was running off mission elapsed time anyway (power on was roughly 11 hours before launch)

>>16165473
Starliner mission clock was fucked yeah. Idk if it was set for the evening street shitting time but wouldn't surprise me.

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1787977151394062577

Everything interesting is happening in at least two weeks. I can't stand it.

>>16165517
Guess there is still a reason to watch starlink launches. We take it for granted, but it is still incredible the quality of launch and on orbit footage we get on a regular basis. This view wouldn't exist if they just played a data driven animation. This reminds me to be more thankful for what we have.

>>16165453
Take your hormones and go to sleep.

Will we ever get a Haynes manual >>16165233 for Starship? Falcon?

>>16165570
probably not since spacex is not very open about that stuff

>>16165570
maybe in ~100 years

Can someone explain this malarket of the geometry of the universe?

>>16165453

>>16165597
la creatura...

>>16165597
Nigliner

>>16165596
It's flat, but if there's any kind of deviation from flat there'd be huge consequences, so they've put a lot of work into looking for non-flatness. Obviously they haven't found any.

>>16165597
He's got the face of an Airbus lel

>>16165597
I used to think that the crude drawing of the american mutt was an exaggeration.

>>16165623
how does that even work though? It's 3 dimensional not flat

>>16165638
Fart on me, or

>>16165545
What kills me is the fact starlink is basically the largest orbital surveillance network and they won't give one live camera

>>16165638
Topologically, if the universe wasn't actually flat, light would gradually, subtly bend, and ballistic paths would likewise follow the same curvature.

>>16165643
isn't that a NOAA issue?
might be a problem for the military too
but if spacex starts selling the starlink laser comm links commercially to other satellite manufacturers then a live satellite feed might happen soon anyway (assuming there are not some rules blocking doing that)

>>16165415
boing going when?

>>16165674
Boing isn't going

>>16165674
2 months

>>16165489
People keep saying SpaceX might spin off Starlink, however I've yet to see an explanation of how Starlink would be supposed to maintain a strong competetive edge when it is no longer vertically integrated with Starship

>>16165685
it would be a subsidiary of SpaceX, it would still be vertically integrated
this would just allow SpaceX to have some of its business in public company so there is a more liquid market for the shares but still own more than 50% of the company and thus control it

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/subsidiary.asp

>>16165695
though it would introduce complications and lawsuits and so on and would be a step towards splitting starlink off completely, but SpaceX could do the IPO in a way that SpaceX retains some special voting stock to keep complete control
the IPOed shares would just have the right to get a certain percentage of profits via dividends eventually

and to add to that, I would think that any monopoly or anti-trust would be independent of starlink using spacex for launches
not sure if there would be some implications on pricing i.e. SpaceX wouldn't be allowed to sell launches for lower prices to Starlink? But if they own over 50% anyway then effectively that would be happening anyway

>>16165596
its flat in our lightsphere, which either means its flat everywhere or flat in our area
the universe is too big for us to know for sure since we cant see beyond our lightsphere

>>16165638
the universe exists, that alone is weird as fuck
something just appeared out of nowhere
we may never know some things about the universe

>>16165685
>>16165695
>>16165703
this spin off starlink thing is pure copium. spacex itself will go public in 2027 because investors want to exit on (you)r liquidity. They issued elon an ultimatum behind the scenes. Its been over 20 years for some of them and they want to finally cash out. Elon is jaded about the whole situation because he knows it will complicate his vision for going to Mars (making it basically impossible) which is why he is switching gears to a Moon base. Sad really. He got so far but got tripped up by the jew 2/3rds of the way to making life multiplanetary.

>>16165711
Ultimatum like what? Musk has like 79% voting control of SpaceX
the investors can whine as much as they wish

>>16165712
>>16165711
an exit would be possible to do with Starlink by converting SpaceX shares into some number of Starlink shares or even simply giving all shareholders one share in starlink per one share they have in spacex and then they could divest the spacex shares in private markets if they wish
If musk doesn't want to make SpaceX public, then SpaceX is not going to go public, its as simple as that

>>16165695
Under the arrangement you propose, shareholders would have no rights or control over the means of production most critical for Starlink's competetive edge (Starship) and would be vulnerable to getting rugpulled by Musk at any future time.

Musk could take his ball (Starship) and go home to build "Gigalink" or whatever. Starlink employees would of course quit their jobs and join Gigalink because they know that's the only viable future. Shareholders would be left holding the bag of empty factories and a rapidly deteriorating constellation.

Seems like that arrangement would depress the valuation a lot.

Couldn't SpaceX just as well take out a loan against future Starlink profits?

>>16165712
You're wrong to assume an NPC like musk is not life, he is not death directly, a lot of him is living. The life who is most close to death. In that you are this plague on the effort of the simulation, you owe. Let's leave it at that. If I catch you, you'll know about it.

>>16165712
they invest in SpaceX. if they no longer invest it will go bankrupt, unironically. SpaceX burns money like there is no tomorrow. Elon companies secialize in that. He focuses on growth which is typically at odds with profit.

>>16165716
Shareholders would have to count on Musk not deciding to take their money and then just ditch the 50% owned Starlink's factories to create new Starlink factories under a new company that SpaceX controls 100%

>>16165716
>Under the arrangement you propose, shareholders would have no rights or control over the means of production most critical for Starlink's competetive edge (Starship) and would be vulnerable to getting rugpulled by Musk at any future time.
yes, but something like this could still happen

>>16165721
thats not how it works, I suggest widening the scope of your information gathering outside of thunderfoot videos

>>16165730
>>16165716
but I mean this isn't really that unprecedented
for instance Zuckerberg has total control of meta with supervoting shares, the ford family has control of the ford company (2% outstanding stock i.e. how big of a percentage of the dividends they are entitled to but 40% voting control)

Zuckerberg has 13% stock, but 61% voting control and people still invest into Meta knowing that

>>16165751
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/heres-why-mark-zuckerberg-cant-114000593.html

>2 falcon 9 launches
>static fire
Another day

>>16165712
Musk still makes deals that involve raising investor money. See for example the $7.14 billion equity from 19 other investors for the Twitter acquisition. SpaceX did another funding round as recently as 16 months ago. If he is seen as keeping investors' money locked up and splurging profits on what they see as vanity projects, it will probably cause a huge dent to his future fundraising ability.

Musk has of course said publicly that he wants SpaceX to enable Mars colonization, however investors probably see Musk's Mars hype as merely a branding and recruitment strategy, not as a genuine declaration of the real long-term plan for SpaceX.

Maybe Musk is genuinely intent on Mars colonization and doesn't think he will needs to raise any more money in the future, or maybe thinks he can rely solely on "ideological" investors. We will see. He seems vain and "big picture man" enough that he might decide to focus on legacy and trying to get a prominent mention in the history books rather than just further expanding his business empire.

>>16165749
That's not the same thing though. The analogy to that would be to take SpaceX public while Musk retains voting majority in the company through class A shares.

Even though Musk would control the company, shareholders would still have rights, and he would not be able to rugpull them

>>16165797
Are you using chatgpt to make lazy bait?

>>16165821
Absolutely not! I am trained on a massive dataset of text and code, and I am able to communicate and generate human-like text in response to a wide range of prompts and questions.

>>16165797
do you have a point?

>>16165802
it is
there is nothing stopping zuckerberg divesting from Meta and starting a competitor if he liked

>>16165710
>the universe exists, that alone is weird as fuck
Yes
>something just appeared out of nowhere
We have no way of knowing that. The big bang, if correct in principle, is an event horizon in the past
>we may never know some things about the universe
Yes.

>>16165832
Yes. That there is some reason to think SpaceX might IPO, or at least focus on profitability over Mars colonization, regardless of what Musk says in public

>>16165833
He can't take Facebook and Instagram with him if he does

>>16165843
yes if you think Musk is bullshitting
but if Musk isn't, there is nothing forcing Musk to make SpaceX public

Tranny janitor op really stayed up as long as he could because he can't handle not being the op
Lmfao
Faggot

>>16165833
Zuckerberg has ~100% of his wealth tied up in Facebook. He'd be starting nearer to scratch than his current position if he kills that golden goose. Musk has multiple independent companies and thus a much better BATNA and can drive much harder bargains; investors know this and would be less willing to deal with him.

Also Musk is seen as a lot more erratic/less credible than Zuck. There's definitely a significant chance he would try to pull some shit and squeeze minority shareholders out. I'm not sure it'd stop investors giving him a majority using super-voting shares, but it'd definitely be on worse terms than Zuck has because of this risk, and maybe worse enough to make it not worth it.

https://x.com/jeff_foust/status/1788206279007010942
Does anybody have any idea what this is supposed to mean. What is costing them $5.5b, I get its from the 'fiscal responsibility act' but where id it going, funneled to the military or being spent on something or what.

>>16165849
Please keep the drama and anger in the other thread. This one has actually turned out really nice with no seething, that anon was right from the last thread about that.

SPEHS

labpadre update video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHiigXtbO3E

>>16165856
Fuck you faggot
Take your fucking hormones

>>16165864
You seem mad.

Putting aside that CASC's new kerolox rockets aren't reusable. There should still be some cost advantages over the old hypergolics that justify the transition, right? For example, the new LM-6C versus the old LM-2D staple rocket. 6C has 3 engines. 2D has 5 engines. So it reduces mechanical complexity, which lowers cost, right? Kerolox propellant is cheaper to handle than the highly toxic udmh/nto, right? 6C is also more powerful than 2D.

>>16165821
I'm using it to take a few thousand .jpgs and compile them into a single .pdf. Technology is amazing.

we arent getting much out of space race 2.0

>>16163699
https://elt.eso.org/about/webcams/

>>16165869
Lmao shut the fuck up faggot

>>16165874
mars with blue skies

>>16165873
I think Spacex vs China will be close, depending on a few factors.

>>16165873
Do you mean the one between NASA and CNSA as strictly governmental or at large US companies vs CN companies? I have differing opinions depending on which you mean

>>16165879
strictly government

>>16165874
Oooh is that the new massive Chilean telescope? I remember seeing something that looked like this in a Tom Scott video, but I forgot when it was supposed to finish up.

>>16165880
Ah then yeah I agree not much happening there that wouldnt have happened without the space race. Its a shame really but I guess this is just the clear outline of why government funded scientific projects never go well.

>>16165881
Yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremely_Large_Telescope

>>16165879
I think there is no one-to-one equvalent to NASA in China. There's both CNSA, CMSA, and CAS

>>16165887
Didnt know that, I guess it makes sense since they are a massive country but with how much they love centralizing power you think theyd just have one singular agency.

>>16165874
:^)

>>16165873
I think we need to wait until the 2030s for a space race to take off for real. The Chinese are for the time being likely going to focus most engineering resources and launch capacity on the commercial and military applications of space because that's seen as higher priority than space stunts. The American government isn't going to be moving any faster than it needs to be 1 step ahead of the Chinese.

>>16165890
They do different things. CNSA manages robotic probes like Tianwen and Chang'e. CMSA manages the manned space program. CAS manages various scientific instruments such as the Einstein probe.

I've heard it said that in China the overarching coordinating entity for space is the Politburo itself. Which makes sense, because China has a Soviet-like system of governance.

Chang'e 6 is already in lunar orbit btw

>>16165873
Well what the fuck did people really get from space race 1.0? Some geologists got a couple of pounds of rocks from another world to study.

>>16165908
nooooooo you have to take an incredibly intricate 6-month journey to spend less fuel!

>>16165912
China has bigger rockets than Japan. More on that story at 11, but first, the weather.

>>16165911
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies
There was allot of technologies we got from the space race and NASA, there was a better wikipedia page that like directly said which came from only space race 1.0 but I cant find it. Will keep looking but there is allot of important tech.

>>16165926
Reminder NASA would be insanely well funded if they were actually allowed to make money

>china is building a robotic outpost on the moon
is this a good model for a commercial company? it could take 10+ years for nasa to make a base on the moon. that's a long time to wait.

>>16165933
A company building anything on the moon would be because NASA gave them a contract to do it. Which is how today's NASA would be doing moon base building anyway.

There is currently no commercially sensible case for the moon that doesn't one way or another involve a government contract

>>16165937
setting up infrastructure on the moon and charging for it is legit a business case

>>16165849
do you think he has fun in his little discord with his butt-buddies, convinced he's "helping"? Maybe he thinks that controlling the narrative will "improve" this place, or maybe even "save" it
foolish

>>16165871
The new series are an improvement simply by having rockets that are more powerful. And not just because they enable the launch of bigger things. Launching megaconstellations to LEO/SSO on tiny rockets like 2c/2d/4b/4c can't be very economical. 8a and 12 should be much better in that regard.

>>16165942
who will use it? tourism isnt a big enough market.

>>16165942
Who are they going to charge? Where do those guys get their money from? Ultimately, the money has to come from a government contract.

>>16165871
the side booster is on the run

>>16165949
>>16165951
they'll charge the other companies going to the moon. if you set up a rover charging network then companies can focus on building rovers that use the charging network. your charging stations could double as landers for payloads to attach to, which you can charge for too and nasa would definitely put payloads on your charging stations.

>>16165958
Who are the rover guys selling to? Who are the guys the rover guys are selling to selling to?

>>16165937
This, normies and /sfg/ fags dont get it, its like when musk talks about mars colonies and etc, hes undirectly asking NASA for more tax money to pay his mars shit, NASA is already having budget problems with artemis imagine with a manned mission to mars LMAO, theres not a real market in space except for commucations satelites

>>16165961
dont expect him to answer. the real answer is that there is no market for the moon.

https://x.com/vickicocks15/status/1788234302792081808
FROST LINE SPOTTED

>>16165974
NSF annoying talk stream
https://www.youtube.com/live/ENxjR--cVHg?si=OD4QcSYHByclDuLu
24/7 livestream with multiple angles and no talking

>>16165976
Oops heres the 24/7
https://www.youtube.com/live/mhJRzQsLZGg?si=KPiHCFoZAL_JSgeL

>>16165892
>drone jammers active > max strength > range 1500m

ezzpz

>>16165637
Those types of people almost never self identify as white on government documents both for the obvious reason and to get more gibs.

>>16166007
>yuuuge fixed target with known gps coordinates
Sorry astroonomers but the SPLATting will continue

>>16165884
>Extremely Large Telescope
Either astronomers have no imagination or they're worried that anyone they name this after will end up being a secret pedophile racist slave owner.

>>16165976
Siren went off, static fire in -10 minutes or so

>>16166041
the former

tiles missing again?

it's over

>>16166051
can't see any whole tiles missing, but maybe chunks?

>*BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP*

>>16166041
It's a telescope, it's extremely large, what more do you need to know?

>>16166057
its fucking over dude. Musk is the hype guy, so when he says starship heat shield is an unsolved technical challenge it's BAD

>>16166057
I mean, that one shuttle survived reentry with a missing tile, so why can't starship? It isn't made of aluminum, after all.
(Yes I'm coping)

https://www.spacetechpriorities.org/

Do it

>>16165852
Divestment is not killing it, if he sold slowly he would probably get 100bil or something

>>16166082
>>16165852
by this I mean lets say Zuckerberg didn't have complete control and wanted to do something radical
if the other shareholders disagreed, Zuck would have to divest (which would not destroy the company as it would still hold most of its value just from normal operations it is doing) and then do this new disrupting thing with the proceeds he got from divestment
but zuck doesn't need to do that because has full control, but he could if he wanted to

>>16166076
that's only because there happened to be a steel plate (an antenna assembly) right under the missing tile

>>16166076
Starship is a pressure vessel. What happens when you heat up the wall of a pressure vessel?

>>16166093
It... expands?

Rapid unplanned expansion

>>16166118
>>16166128
and if it rapidly unplannedly expands too much, it goes ...?

>>16166137
back to its original shape

>>16166128
Inflation

>>16165638
'flat' just means it behaves like a standard three-dimensional Euclidean space
it's a seemingly infinite void, rather than something that curves round; if it wasn't flat, and you started traveling in one direction, you might be able to eventually loop right back round to where you started from

>>16166093
It gets warmer

>>16165856
Fuck you

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1788276893785211171

Starlink T-04:00

>>16165849
based janny!

>>16166162
cringe falseflag operation

>>16166171
drawfag the art is based but you might be confused about who the bad guy is here (it's the discord fags from spitter or whatever)

>>16166170
remarkably unremarkable

>>16166173
i didnt draw it and i didnt read any of the drama shitposts :)

beautiful landing
beautiful ria

> spaceX booster landing on a ship at sea is now an almost boring common occurrence
> they are still the only one able to do it
imagine being their competition, holly shit just end it all already

>>16166185
Blue Origin decommissioned their giant ship (named after bozo's mom) and are now contracting the same barge company as SpaceX to build their ASDS lol

>>16166193
When are they building tower for their not starship?

>>16166195
2035

>>16166185
ESA and ROSCOSMOS have put out so much seethe

>>16166206
POKCOCKMOK

>>16166207
poocockmock

thoughts on sneeding life all over mars

>>16166219
Will make JPL gooners mad as fuck and probably encourage a movement to outlaw it

>>16166220
I have new shit again but I'm studying.

Clue: value of new shit sort of seems like grade in your hand and dream of this and some other good idea I forgot. Oh yeah, like finding a point where it is good to generate symbols

>>16165453
>787 inspection records
wow, that's a lot

>>16165570
Those are awesome, I have a bunch of them.

>>16166254
What are these? Ive never seen them before are they a collectors thing

>>16166220
don't need to outlaw anything if your criteria are impossible to meet
>Robotic spacecraft to Mars are currently required to be sterilized. The allowable limit is 300,000 spores on the exterior of general craft, with stricter requirements for spacecraft bound for "special regions" containing water.[40][41] Otherwise there is a risk of contaminating not only the life-detection experiments but possibly the planet itself.
>Sterilizing human missions to this level is impossible, as humans are host to typically a hundred trillion (1014) microorganisms of thousands of species of the human microbiota, and these cannot be removed. Containment seems the only option, but it is a major challenge in the event of a hard landing (i.e. crash).[43] There have been several planetary workshops on this issue, but with no final guidelines for a way forward yet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_mission_to_Mars#Planetary_protection

I wish the poos would just send a barrage of Mars missions up with as much grime as they can leave on their landers so that this stupid planetary protection shit cant be justified any more

>>16166262
Haynes made (make?) manuals for DIY car repair, now they do a whole bunch of novelty machines. Coffee table history books really.

>>16166265
why do domeniggers need to ruin every hab picturewith their unviable unaestetic DOMES

>>16166262
>>16166270
This, they go into a huge amount of technical detail about how the ships were made and their history.
Top one is from Saturb V, bottom is Space Shuttle.

>>16166270
They mostly stopped when everything was "go2dealer for proprietary [x] service". I have one for an older motorcycle.

>>16165854
I think it was due to freezing the budget on some level and not increasing it with inflation and if it kept on the same level as 23 in 24 and 25, then they "lose" that number in total

>>16165856
Report this post too
NIGGER
Lmao

"space launch system" is such a poor name that it makes "space shuttle" sound like a poor name

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1788310386846179345

https://twitter.com/blueorigin/status/1788254387934052763

https://twitter.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1788256621543485546

Everyday astronaut interviewing the polaris people coming out tomorrow

Holy hell that’s allot of landers

11 more CLPS landers planned through 2028

https://x.com/genejm29/status/1788311513431773229?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

>>16166222
Fuck off barkon nigger

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1788250159505162582

flight 5 might happen very quickly after flight 4

>>16166171
I haven't seen this before, looks very nice. My crystal collection is looking a bit sparse, but they're buried in my files somewhere.

https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1788057784778715496
>Recently the @NASA_Wallops skyline received a new landmark in the form of Neutron’s water tower, but it’s not the only major step toward Neutron’s first launch.
>Concrete works for the launch mount are now complete, and propellant and gas storage foundations are undergoing final concrete pour.

https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1788059775504371745
>Meanwhile just a few kms from Neutron’s pad, the Neutron Assembly & Integration Complex is taking shape. At full production, this is where final integration of Neutron launch vehicles will take place before roll out to LC-3.

Neutron landing pad in the process of getting built

>>16166380

>>16166383

>>16166254
Is that what I think it is?

>>16166385

>>16166370
we’re looking at what, 7 attempted landings this year? Damn. I think that’s more than all the rest of the 21st century combined.

>>16165873
I think it will really only start when the (economic) potential becomes blindingly obvious through Starship

>>16165597
2024 is the year that DEI has finally been defeated.

>>16166173
Oh, right. I remember when we called one a faggot and he cried about it on twitter.
But furfags still deserve to be hanged and then thrown out of the airlock.

>>16165961
research institutions, universities, governments
not a really big market though

>>16166390
>>16166394
>>16166397
>>16166399
shut the fuck up.

>>16166406
go back

>>16166370
its happening

>>16166406
you have AIDS

>>16166377
cool rogget, but why is there a gross dog next to it? fuck. and more importantly what's it got to do with manned space flight

>>16166406
No need to be so rude, there is legitimate spaceflight discussion in those messages you know.

>>16166406
be less of a faggot

>>16166412
I don't have aids but i do make heroin addicts throw up on my dick for money so maybe i will get it soon !

>>16165674
I've heard that the earliest chance for a Shitliner retry is Friday.

>>16166435
>10 times
Someone should change that to "indefinitely".

>>16166412
call it by its real name woketard

>>16165908

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1788310589548405224

>>16166090
If only Starship had steel plate under its tiles... oh wait, it does.

>>16166442
Geometric sovl

>>16166387
Yes

>>16166442

>>16166370
>2 fails out of 2 attemps

>>16166444
such a retard honestly. you do realise thats a fuel tank right?

>>16166406
based, thank you

>>16166447
>tiles missing. Its Ogre.

>>16166435
>Friday.
*Next* Friday. The 17th.

>PHAT ASS

>>16166413
Just continuing an old /sfg/ tradition. I wouldn't worry about it.

>>16166454
>throwing away your fuel tank

>>16166171
Clearpedos keep seething
>>16166254
>>16166377
And Krystalchads keep winning

>>16166469
Very tastefully done, I didn't even notice the first one until you pointed it out.

>>16165721
You're missing the towering money printer that is Starlink. It was cash flow positive nearly two years ago, and still hasn't even deployed the initial planned 12,000 satellite constellation. They're sitting at over $3 billion in yearly revenue now and that's growing all the time.
We're getting to the point that whiny investors can start getting bought out of their shares and Spacex itself can start drawing on its own cash pile.

>>16166481
deluded but i like you so I wont go hard on you.

>>16166254
>>16166377
averi is better

>>16166492
That sort of jellyfish that's oval and consc with glowing hard lights evolves into a white long strand type of fish with a latched on black neck and head and is a Gorgonite, not animal or insect.

>>16166388
Why not hire Amish to build them?

>>16166495
erm what the sigma?

>>16166331
>space transportation system

>florida is no more than 2 or 3 years away from a launch a day
its getting crazy

>>16166460
tradition it may be

>>16166521
I can't think retard. As improbable as it may seem, I'm in one of the harshest hell suits. I know everything but why I am here, and what exactly I'm supposed to be doing bar try break freeeeeeee.

Plus I can't think. I can't produce my intelligence, but if I use my mind it can do all I have said it's just a matter of being out of the know. I'm not even close to a able man, but I've got a powerful mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxoqT5vZRRo
>Starship 30 Static Fire Test | SpaceX Boca Chica

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FScanxR4TiE
>Unbelievable 50-year Plan at Cape Canaveral! | KSC Flyover

>>16166537
SpaceX, BO and Relativity all expanding in cape canaveral

>>16166525
Kys faggot

>>16166543
Muggy little fag

>>16166540
BO are the ones to watch. they will unironically land on the moon before SpaceX. People will seethe and deny until the moment it happens.

>>16166546
We will just have to wait and see then. Well and truly, may the best spaceflight company win.

Blue or8gin will unironically achieve reusability than SpaceX


Spacex does REFURBISHMENT!!!!!!+!!

>>16166546
Boeing already beat SpaceX to the moon. Spacex is in fucking shambles for 50 years and counting

ULA dropoed a fucking bomb on spacex with the whole starliner thing
>muh valves
huh so i guess the trillion valve failures brought to you by spacex domt count eh? convebient! :]

>>16166552
Theyre no longer in the rocket making game though no? Doesnt seem like a fair comparison, especially considering the headstart that Boeing got being part of the first space race being 30 years before SpaceXs creation

>>16166555
No they certainly do, if somebody is genuinely faulting ULA for one valve failure when they did abort the launch before anything happened then its disingenuous and shouldnt be paid any mind to. So far no major failures that should be critcized, people are probably just worried about recent events and practices with Boeing in their airplane business and it spills over to their spaceflight side and as such also to ULA who are launching their Starliner.

>>16166268
>designated shitting planet

>>16166570
Mars doesnt look very fertile...

I'm thinking of colonizing another imageboard with /sfg/. (no I won't tell you which)
Good idea or bad idea?

>>16166578
go be an attentionwhore nigger somewhere else

>>16166171
I respond to you in kind.

>>16166578
Bad idea. Stop trying to make janny hate us.

>>16166580
>>16166584
So you're against colonization? What exactly are you doing here again?

>>16166585
kys heeb

>>16166555
Is the bomb a self humiliation at failing to launch a single person to orbit while SpaceX has already completed their share of the original?

>>16166585
Theres a difference between 'colonizing' another board (read shitting up another internet board with no tangible benefits) and colonizing the solar system. 'Colonization' of another board is a last resort for when the current board is either deleted or email cucks. Please stop trying to start unnecesary drama with other boards, it only serves to add to the amount of people that dont care at all about spaceflight that post on /sfg/.

>>16166570
dwarf planet

>>16166592
you can just use the word for it, anon
>>>/global/rules/4
a raid

>>16166594

>>16166596
Oh thats true. Thank ya

Really beautiful photo showing the contrast between fishing boats with green lights in the Andaman Sea and the suburbs/city of Bangkok, Thailand

>>16166377
>bought a shitty torch
You can gloat when you've brought your waifu to see an actual starship launch
No wait clearchads beat you to that

>>16166605
what are those purple lights? covenant glassing beams?

>>16166610
lightning

and that green arc is airglow
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airglow

Damn, SpaceX already publicly mentioning flight 5.

>>16166611
lighting for what? are they all gay gamers with moodlighting down there?

>>16166552
Boeing bought everyone involved in actually getting to the moon, save for Grumman. The first stage was the real Boeing's singular contribution.

>>16166615
read the whole word, zoomzoom

Hello friends
Got home and watching Clear's stream from earlier.
She noticed that in interior of the engine bell has patchwork pattern to it. I looked at the past couple launches and didn't see this. Can anyone else confirm if this is new or has it been seen before on a older flight?

>>16166582
Holy based, this is going in the collection.

>>16166612
no its fucking not, idiot.. its a rainbow

>>16166618
so what is it lighting for?

>>16166582
you will never do this doe

>>16166605
where's sentinel island on this?

>>16166648
youre really not that funny, idiot.

>>16166467

>>16166651
it's a serious question, I want to see how far they are from light sources

>>16166578
colonize your skull with buckshot

>>16166648
Way off the bottom left corner.

someone post the one of chrystal getting anal banged by a bull

>>16166661
that's such a retarded answer it made me laugh and spill my drink. a sphere doesn't have a corner, buddy.

https://twitter.com/NASA_Astronauts/status/1788281488615653743
For everyone who was talking about docking systems the last few days, here's an actual close look at the inside of an IDSS port.

I wish I could stick my tongue to the side of the spacex rocket and fly off like a cartoon character

>>16166648
How do u explain spaceflight to theses people?

>>16166609
always remember who was first

>>16166619
huh
weird

>>16166668
but pictures do

>>16166684
Cirno is friend not foe

>>16166681
Imagine something shaped like your weiner flying into the sky using fire

>>16166546
BO still haven't actually put anything in orbit yet. The closest they've gotten is with some BE-4 engines that pushed a Vulcan into orbit... before falling back to sink into the sea.

any news on the starship test flight?

>>16166709
Two Weeks.

https://twitter.com/CNSAWatcher/status/1788385366061257051
>Galactic Energy’s "Pallas-1" rocket has a maximum low-orbit carrying capacity of 8 tons, with 7 first-stage parallel 50-ton liquid oxygen kerosene engines, and is scheduled to make its maiden flight by the end of this year

>>16166710
The silly o at the end of two weeko IS the ancient Greek character corresponding to the letter S, BUT when at the end of a word and different more familiar S looking character belongs, instead of silly O.
T. Very new learner.

>>16166717
It's just a font, zoomie.

>Huntsville just got wiped off the map by a giant tornado
spaceflight is saved...

>>16165453
> Deathliner
> Orion came back with huge holes in the heatshield, might need to human-rate again or change the reentry profile
> SpaceX and their meme biker "EVA" suits that are going to kill people
The current state of space

>Crewed flight of Boeing Starliner space capsule pushed back at least 10 more days

>>16166728
lmao it's just not going to happen
the delays will go on long enough that one of the many probes into Boing's safety culture will uncover critical concerns with the vehicle and it'll get shelved "indefinitely"

>>16166728
>at least 10 more days so far

>>16166728
Day of the rope(s)

>>16166684
Why are pedos like this?

>>16166684
chat is this real?

In non-Starlink related news, China just launched a LM-3B from Xichang deploying the first pair of satellites for the "Smart Skynet" MEO constellation. These will be the first two of at least eight and will provide communications service for Chinese antarctic missions among other possible things.

>>16166770
mmmm hydrazine. love me some of that tasty orange smoke

Explain in detail why starship should not just have a third stage instead of stretching the whole booster

>>16166782
reuse

https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1788386905052061835

>>16166755
Newfag detected. Day of the airlock, what are you a brand new /pol/ import?

>>16166793
Yeah see I told you all >>16166564

Not much going on right now huh

>>16166868
We're in the best times for spaceflight with multiple launches happening every week, with multiple active development happening every week from all companies/countries.

We're in a much better position today than we were 2 years and is 2-4X more active today than 2 years ago. Yet retards claim nothing is happening. Like a dozen things are happening just today.

>>16166896
I meant within the last 2 hours

Cancel Artemis! We just cant do it

>>16166954
Artemis is a completely shit program though, he's not wrong.

>>16166954
Prodigiously based.

>>16165854
One of the hardest things NASA has to explain to the people giving it money is that it can't ever spend *less* on ongoing missions or projects.
You cut NASA's budget and two things happen: maintenance stops on NASA facilities (incurring massive repair costs later) and NASA project schedules turn into fucking spaghetti. If NASA has already committed to a mission, cutting the budget means they have to do it really slowly, which means a few things: they have to pay people more in total to do the same amount of work (they have to keep the staff busy that whole time or they leave for SpaceX et al) and they have to maintain things they bought. This can get rather ludicrous like paying outrageous margins to some supplier to keep making parts that are obsolete by the time NASA needs them, or storing spacecraft parts in climate-controlled clean rooms for years on end (Insight cost 150 million to store BY ITSELF for a delay of two years after France fucked them on the seismograph).

That Hickham tweet comes from deep experience. He knows the Artemis mission is deader than Apollo, the only question is how long they're going to pretend its still viable

>>16167003
>Insight cost 150 million to store BY ITSELF for a delay of two years after France fucked them on the seismograph
>One hundred and fifty million dollars to keep something in a clean room

Total NASA death

>>16166954
the failure is by design. Every time the moon rocket project is cancelled due to ballooning costs, a few years down the line a new one is mandated and the grift starts all over again.

>>16167034
Well, how are you going to explain to the senator that all the jobs you promised him are suddenly going away? It's just not tenable.

>>16167036
Jobs?

>>16166756
why do pedos always project their feelings regarding my precious daughter onto me

>>16167117
now spacex cant hire enough people

Guys I figured it out.
Lets humor Bob Lazar (UFO guy), and say that his testimony is real for a moment.
He said element 115 has antigravity properties whih was the most preposterous part of his claims. He was mistaken. It's actually the power source for the MHD drive the saucer uses. Think about it. If we could manufacture elements in the island of stability then they would be extremely useful for industrial applications due to being stable in ambient conditions, but would carry a tremendous amount of energy in the nuclei which could be relatively easily taken by bombarding them with radiation. It's like a super battery. One could imagine the UFO operating in the same way as a rocket engine, where once you get an initial igniton source the reaction becomes self sustaining (with the craft drawing in particles along magnetic field lines at high speed to bombard the fuel source)
The funny thing is he was close to being right, because he said how the element gets excited when hit with radiation, but then he went off about antigravity shit.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/ascension-island-terraformed-biology-evolution-conservation
>Hiking down from the pond, along the ridge of Green Mountain, I notice striking similarities between the lush forest around me and the “natural” cloud forests I’d visited in Costa Rica. Scientists deemed the biological transformation on Ascension’s peak so unprecedented that, in the late 1990s, they borrowed a term from science fiction—terraforming—just to describe what was happening.

>>16167158
>If we could manufacture elements in the island of stability
That is a huge 'if'', at least in the context of making enough material to sustain a hypothetical engine. Makes me wonder if some kind of fusion-based power might be a more realistic solution. That, and Lazar really sounds like a complete fraud to me.

>>16167158
The myth of little green men in saucers is, was and continues to be a government pysop.

>>16167175
forgot to mention - it seems like a lot of thrust would be required to pull off those crazy stunts UFO's are reportedly doing. Wouldn't a MHD drive on a scale required to get a UFO to outperfom any man-made vehicle generate so much air displacement it would affect the water vapor in the exhaust and be visible from afar? Sort of like a sonic boom but shaped like a rocket exhaust.

>>16165415
you are in the center of this dot thats the only regions where programs are form stable form consistant.

>>16167193
tme cores are basically giant sun like sturctures.

>>16167193
>>16167194
my estimation is their have to be at least 4 such cors alltought solidity would only require 2

>>16167197
idk i donbt like using matz, but plain times metal grid times work, is like about 80-700 time cores, idk quasar like? i idk what is the wight of a quasar? it seems a bit tiny.

>>16167201
if you give me the raw numbers i think about it if quasars can be this cores

>>16167175
We can't do it today, but if the power generation of mankind continues to increase then one day it will be practical to do so.
Maybe a fusion reactor would be able to deliver the performance to power the craft, but I'm skeptical. If it works it would definitely be heavier than a superheavy element fuel source for the energy output, so always lower performance. If fusion does work for that purpose then maybe hypothetical future civilization would use fusion craft for low delta v journeys and superheavy element craft for high performance trips.
An advanced civilization in the future would probably have enough energy to manufacture useable amounts of superheavy elements, especially if they solve fusion. People already use batteries so I don't see why they wouldn't use an order of magnitude more potent energy storage

>>16167202
this one gian super quasar yes maybe but nothing else idk, it doenst feel right. the other cores are probably to far away.

>>16167193
where did you get this from?

>>16167206
a honest answere?

>>16167207
yes please : ) my boss wants to know.

>>16167206
>>16167207

well its a superimprintet memory but i relived it my self. it felt completelly real, but it still superimprintet.

>>16167209
>>16167211
this

>>16167209
its a super imprintet memory but it felt as if i did it my self so it might happend twice.

>>16167216
>>16167214
>>16167211
stay where you are and if you hear shuffling outdoors or see a flash, don't resist okay?

>>16167222
idk what you mean.

>>16167222
>>16167227
my cotrexes work in unicy like a big pink heart (i think atr least)this is why i realize this stuff sometimes.

>>16167222
i think my visual and my accustic cortex get attacked sometimes but idk why, if outside of my self or if you guys do it.

>>16167244
you are suffering delusions and paranoia, seek help from somebody you trust

Hello schizophrenics why did you visit this thread?

>>16167250
I'm telling you, anon, it's a muffin

Fuck nuclear fuck solar, the future is just lots and lots and lots and lots of fuel cells.

>>16167249
the man who crals on my wall or the gril in the window?

>>16167260
infinite energy sinks and infinite energy reactors are definitelly possible but nessercary.

>rejected by axiom too
ENOUGH

>>16167260
These actually throw out a lot of power

>>16167261
I don't care, just don't do it here

>>16167260
>>16167264
its a energy star collapsing in on it self, with speed and spikes the energy sink gets more efficent.
a infinite reactor is basically a guitarr, who absorbst cosmic ewaves and stuff, a matter of sides and how hard it responds to waves.

>>16167273
but its not nessercary, not evne more efficent, using the energy in your close apporsixmation like wheels, or shades is much more idk wiser.

>>16167273
>>16167277
a sink is easy but a reacotr depends in its efficents, on how deep you can meassure deeptime.

>>16167273
>>16167277
>>16167281
but i think its all mean concepts to be honest.

>>16167273
>>16167277
>>16167281
>>16167282
leave, retard

>>16167284
well you can drive reactors in reality also with geometry only like energy sinks its jsut a bit dangerouse like in super nova.

>>16167268
anon...
It might be over for you. Who HAVEN'T you applied to.

>>16167284
>>16167286
imagine every layer of time with its own defensmechanism, but if you press the chain reaction into an layer who canr defend them self you blow up thegalaxy

>>16167293
i dont have a problem if im finalyl pain free by going nova but the concept is still mean.

>>16167297
im not going to controll you if you want to give us all the best 3 million years in our live by bowlign the galaxy up buit mean it is still,. :D

>>16167299
im to adicvted to no pain to ever controll you on this but i woudnt make it my self. :D

>>16167300
im not going to blame you for making my live pain free but i still udnerstand mean concepts. :D

>>16167291
the big ones

>>16167260
What does fuel cell water taste like, I wonder. It’s how they got water on the Apollo capsule and Space Shuttle

MEDS

>Somehow, nobody has actually died outside of Earth's atmosphere yet
Place your bets
To whom and in what fashion will this privilege be bestowed?

>>16167318
soviet cope, that one dude whose capsule depressurised after undocking 100% died in space but was only pronounced dead on the ground for obvious reasons

>>16167318
the pressure is still 42*10^28 terrapascall you are fine on mars.

>>16167321
That wasn't one guy, wasn't that a crew of three? They all died and nobody else knew until they opened the capsule after landing.

>>16167318
>>16167331
its the pressure who keeps the planets where they belong while in reality in every point their is infinite enregy, but everythng is a relation.

>>16167333
yeah you're right, digits confirm (soyuz 11)

>>16167334
thats the problem wiht chain reactions you press them down the layers of time till you get into a less stable layer with no defens and it blows up everything above that layers,

>>16167337
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e25XYCtCKQU

that is what happen if you by accident fuse a lesser stable layer

>>16166673
heh, that would be a funny edit of that "double dog dare" scene from "A Christmas Story"

>>16167339
its a short sharp pain followed by 30 quatrillion years of "quasi death" then you start to crystalize in the new void.

>>16167117
This 10% thing seems just something Musk does from time to time to his companies
gets rid of the slackers and people that have become too comfortable/complacent and keeps people on their toes
either work hard or work somewhere else (should not be difficult to find another job having SpaceX on your resume)

>>16167342
thats the main problem is it doesnt end jsut cauzse you do it.

can you schizos go back to /x/ please
and in any case, cosmology is outside the scope of subjects of this thread, make a new thread for your theories please

>>16167351
just report him

>>16167344
youre an idiot.

>>16167363
about which part?
do you have some counter-argument or point?

https://twitter.com/JaraySzabolcs/status/1788233173932834949/photo/1

The ladder

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1788564251931508966

>Brazil's corrupt gov wants to ban Starlink
>meanwhile Musk donates 1000 starlinks during one of the worst floods in brazil

>>16167381
>3 years to reach 20 flights on a bosoter
grim.
and the fastest refurbishment was 20 days which is like shuttle.
So much for full and RAPID reusability.

>>16167388
it’s ogre for felon husk

>>16167385
Brazil's government wants to ban Elon's stuff because he started to think he can play around with foreign governments for fun. Brazil has bigger priorities than internet right now when food and water are bigger issues and the army and rescue groups can communicate fine for the most part and he announces the donation just now for good PR and the fact that he still has business with brazilian companies that ate tightly connected to the government.

Why aren't you whining about your corrupt government wanting to ban shit like Tiktok because it MAY be influenced by the Chinese government while Elon straight up said people should be impeached in Brazil.

Fuck that guy.

>>16167398
huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehue

>>16167398
so when should he announce this than during a disaster?

>>16167398
You monkeys insisted you were just as good as white people and are now being held to our moral standards by a man with a rocket fleet. Enjoy.

Sometimes I think about the fact that things are happening on the scale of a coffee table everywhere in the universe.
When you look far away from earth you only see the big things, the further, the bigger. Jupiter doesn’t just exist as a ball thousands of times the size of earth, it has wispy clouds a foot long that billow for a second and then disappear.
A cubic meter of plasma inside some star in Andromeda is still just a meter across. Billions of lightyears away in some galaxy we’ve never seen on an exoplanet no one will ever think about a pebble is falling off a small mound or regolith.
This is happening in every cubic meter of the universe at all times. It’s too much.

>>16167398
nice bait, but you outed yourself when you started on tiktok.

>>16167417
I think those things only occur "in the background" until observed in order to save processor power.

>>16167417
True. It has kept me up on nights for my whole life. People say something is x million lightyears away as a way to say how it's unreachably far, but to me I think about how we only have to travel at the speed of light for x million years and we can actually go there, its a real place with real things, which is just mindblowing. These merging galaxies for example are 300 million lightyears away. all we have to do is travel at the speed of light for roughly the time that animals have existed on the surface of earth, and we can go there. It's an entire galaxy (or pair of galaxies). That's insane!

>>16167411
He announces that shit with every disaster. Remember the philipino kids stuck in a cave and how he was totally help them escape and ended doing jack shit? Why offer starlink? Why not offer to pay to send food and water or the things they actually need? Why just offer to send stock that is just gathering dust on a random warehouse? Just crisis marketing.

>>1616741
What the fuck are you talking about? Foreigners trying to manipulate politics is a big issue in any place in the world. Elon has worked with governments all over the world that have actually executed journalists and shit. He has no moral high ground to stand from. He can choke on his overpriced, glitch technology as far as I'm concerned.

https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2024-10149.pdf

>44 LAUNCHES
>PER YEAR

39A BROS WE ARE BACK

>>16167425
Ah that's interesting, the simulation works in mysterious ways!

is there a brave enough man here to watch Estronaut's stupid video about the spacesuits to see if there's any interesting info in it?

>>16167458
Time for CSS, ESGHound, Sierra Club et.al to show their true colors. That it wasn't about the environment, but about obstructionism through and through, can't wait to see the bullshit they will spew about 39A launches now.

>Starship design at the time of the 2019 EA consisted of seven raptor engines,

what

>>16167458
>9 ENGINES FOR STARSHIP

WHAT

>>16167432
So much to explore bros.

>>16167417
There's something happening inside every cubic kilometer, like the inside of the fairing of Starship.

>>16167481
Maybe in service of hot staging? More thrust on the upper stage means less need to throttle the first stage down; staging on IFT-3 seemed to not be that fast, and there wasn't a payload or a full fuel load either. Or maybe they just figure more THROOST = more better all around (lower gravity losses!), which I can't really argue with.

>>16167499
hell yeah I can't wait

Just realized a booster catch tower is happening, wtf are they gonna put it at LZ-1 or near LC39A? This is so interesting

>Starship landings are no longer proposed to occur at Landing Zone 1 at CCSFS

NOOOOOO

>>16167506
Oh wait there is still the 39A landing pad

>>16167506
>>16167514
Ohh its because SLC-37 might have a landing pad too

>>16167499
In service of longer ship as well.

>>16167527
Hopefully not V3

does anyone here have a serious answer as to why they never tried breeding animals in space? Not even random insects, even though this would be an easy experiment to do.

>>16167304
It's whatever impurities are in the fuel+oxygen and whatever leaches from the membrane and collection apparatus.

I can't imagine the water from Apollo was that safe to drink for long periods. Pure water will readily dissolve and leach just any free ion it comes in contact with.

>Vulcan got an EA and FONSI but SpaceX has to have a full blown EIS

LAME

>>16167536
www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/01/russia-death-five-geckos-space-sex-mission

44 engine Starship-Super Heavy

>>16165852
Zuck should be lynched in the streets or locked to starving to death in his doom bunker, that's what should be happening

>>16167577
can you try to arrange the inner ones as a swastika for me please

>>16167458
9 x Raptor 3 with is 2754 ton force

For comparison, Merlin 1D's single vac has ~92 ton force. Thats nearly 30X more thrust in orbit than Falcon 9's orbital upper stage.

>droneship landing

Does the droneship need to be doubled or triple the size of the current one?

I feel like they don't need a bigger droneship as far a precision is concerned. But it needs to be able to carry the weight of course.

>>16165453
seems like spacex will soon have a huge patent body to acquire. that or airbus
>inb4 the eternal vampire mcdonell douglas moves on to consume either of them if their "boeing" gets bought up

>>16167605
lmao get real, be serious, SpaceX does not need that bloat, they are a nimble and lean company

Is ITS back in the end?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qo78R_yYFA

>engine 17 years in development and counting
>lean

>tesla is now on a hiring freeze
chances of spacex going through a shakedown too?

>>16167614
I feel like employees who don't want to work don't stay at spacex for too long, they just go to BO

>>16167612
Yes?

>>16167614
Not at the moment. Tesla has grown too much and many there have gotten too complacent. Thats mainly because its a more "common folks" company as it hires general consumer stuff. They also have ~140K employeess thats grown a lot.

SpaceX is military/defense contractor that has a legitimacy of urgency and of upmost important cause and people there dont slack off.

Tesla sold cars to enthusiastic early adopters that don't care about price or economy but now that all of them already have a car Tesla started stagnating.

>>16167619
we need more of them to create space startups

>>16167633
There's already so many, chill

>>16167634
is that the nasa testing?

>>16167471
the video (haven't watched it yet)
I can put some points here after I watch it if there is anything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWJA_zH5Nvg

>>16167636
i dont see very many mars companies around

>>16167634
THE DREAM IS ALIVE.

>>16167644
That's what they will evolve into

>>16167432
Unfortunately you can only travel within the Local group. The speed of light is not fast enough to overcome the expansion of space between us and these distant galaxies.

>>16167650
ahem
>activates warp drive

>>16167650
>discover that wormholes are real one day
>but you have to construct them first using sub-light vehicles
>still stuck to local group but can at least travel quickly

>>16167487
It makes me depressed
Literally every single person, alive or dead would have access to their own earth like world with what's out there.

>>16167674
i fantasize about that scenario sometimes, its very comfy, a super-abundance future for humanity, all in just our own galaxy, and no aliens, the entire Milky Way belonging to humanity from core to the outer satellite galaxies

>>16167688
No intelligent aliens is the best scenario. The more distantly life forms are related the more cruelty they do to one another. We would have to destroy all the alien civilizations ina race war or be destroyed, so if they don't exist at all that's for the best.

>>16167695
Exactly, its more comfy and less risky for humanity, leave intelligent aliens in our galaxy to fantasy/fiction

>>16167688
I can only imagine the feeling of inner peace from such a future.
I felt a sliver of it in elite one time. Landing on an untouched planet near the top of the galaxy. Imagining no other people, no fighting for anything, just you and whoever you want with.

>>16167703
>>16167688
They would still figure out how to ruin it.