/sci/ - Science & Math

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Ahem:
Lets go SpaceX!
If it's Boing I ain't going!
FUCK URF

>>16158519
No digital version?

>>16158577
this post made by blue origin gang

>>16158571
first for Kuiper sux balls

What's the deal with supersonic retropropulsion? What was the big deal about it being so hard? Just fire your engines backwards???

>>16158577

>>16158597
vgh... the rd-0120...

How many jobs is the boeing assassin going to have lined up after shitliner kills its Astronauts?

Reminder that you are going to travel to Mars on a 9m starship and you are going to be fucking pleased about it.

>>16158604
They had no quality assurance on the team anyways, nobody is competent enough to speak out in the first place. Boeing planned Scamliner out better than their planes

g'night /sfg/

The Moon is Red tonight.

>>16158609
Wrong, I am going to travel to the Moon on a 9m starship
>>16158604
>tfw not having the comfy corporate assassin gig

"God speed John Glenn."

Basically a test run of the architecture for a manned landing.

>>16158616

Mission patch gives an idea of the configuration.

>>16158614
NASA has fumbled their way down the trash can.

spotted on /v/ you guys might like this
>hey guys please check out kithack model club, its from the og ksp guys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX3TfdV_7rg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLg1T6FL1ZE

>>16158609
1st, 3rd and 7th are German rockets.

I spend a good year shilling for FH thinking it has performance comparable to SLS and could replace it. Turns out it can only lift 40 tons to LEO lol

>>16158614
Didnt we literally just land on the Moon, Berger?

>>16158649
>Turns out it can only lift 40 tons to LEO lol
proof?

>>16158649
Just like starship

>>16158650

You consider the crash of IM-1 a "landing"?

>>16158662
Actually slightly more than Starship. Full re-usability is a killer.

>>16158658
what the fuck is that redditor trying to say? what even is that title?

>>16158663
Yes, since Berger is counting crashed Chinese landings

>>16158666
>I was today years old when I learned...

>>16158668

And those "crashes" would be....?

>>16158642
>Floating Origin Interactive is a newly formed game development studio based in the United Kingdom, headed by Felipe Falanghe (aka HarvesteR), creator and former Lead Developer of the original Kerbal Space Program.
Nice to know that he escaped his thirdie hellhole. We gon make it bros.

>>16158674
>planned hard landing
Ok buddy!

>>16158681
do you think they just sat around in lunar orbit for 16 months before attempting a soft landing?

REMINDER >>16158577

>>16158700
Hey Chinkie Winkie, google "three-body problem"

How is Branson's companies doing? Don't forget about the third amigo in the billionaire space race. Bezos, Musky, Branson, who will win?

>>16158665
so you're saying Starship in reusable configuration will only be able to lift 40 tons to leo?

>>16158712
Kill yourself

>>16158649
Why do you lie

So will piggers still be launching their rockets once the russoid war is done and dusted? Or do you think theyre too devastated for that to happen

>>16158577

Next starship launch when?

>>16158717
stupid slow loading frogposter

>>16158722
Forgot fairy award

Starship will put Japanese on the Moon before Chinese. Starship will make Elon Musk God-Emperor of Mars.

>>16158727
Can I sniff his braps

>>16158741
Yes

>>16158706
Kys radioactive tranny

>>16158750
Do you

>>16158751
>>16158750
Squirt?

>>16158750
There you go again, thinking about cocks attached to women. Your brain must be chock full of FUTA haha

what satellite is she talking about?

>Mallory Stewart, Assistant Secretary of State for Arms Control, Deterrence, and Stability, discussed Russia’s nuclear anti-satellite weapon developments in new detail today
>"Russia has publicly claimed that their satellite is for scientific purposes," Stewart said "However, the orbit is in a region not used by any other spacecraft. That in itself was somewhat unusual. And the orbit is a region of higher radiation than normal, lower earth orbits, but not high enough of a radiation environment to allow accelerated testing of electronics as Russia has described the purpose to be."
https://www.twz.com/space/russias-anti-satellite-nuke-could-leave-lower-orbit-unusable-test-vehicle-may-already-be-deployed

SPEHS

ever since that faggot casey dreier took over the planetary radio podcast, it's been nothing but godawful guests. anti-commercial space, anti-spaceflight generally, NIMBY fags, anti-Mars colonization. he even brought on ESGhound and those two weinerstein jews. brought mike griffin to trash commercial space and pump cost plus. it's so great to hear all their opinions

and speaking of military sats, pictured is Kosmos-2558 which is spying on american spysat USA 326

>The picture is credited to HEO Robotics, a company that uses its HOLMES cameras as hosted payloads on microsatellites to obtain images of other objects in space.
>Since the Earth is in the background, Kosmos-2558 must have been imaged from a satellite orbiting above it. This is also more or less the way it should look from the vantage point of USA 326, which is orbiting roughly 40 km above Kosmos-2558.
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=50125.0
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=56833.0;all

>>16158777
maybe he's trying to get in on the ragebait clickbait scene, where news and youtubers post ragebait to get more ad revenue

>>16158597
Nice ass.

>>16158782
based on articles and comments he makes, he's definitely not big on human spaceflight. he's a faggot nerd who thinks artemis takes money away from muh robots.

>>16158614
Well, maybe it's time to cancel the developing country status that china is abusing, if the fuckers have a space program that can get them to the moon.

>>16158795
>Well, maybe it's time to cancel the developing country status that china is abusing

Ok enjoy the revolt when Walmart, Amazon and friends double their prices.

>>16158813
I can't think of what's worse, if this is bait or if you actually beleive it.

>>16158813
More then enough poor nations out there who can take over the role of crap manufacturing.
Lots of companies are already moving to vietnam&mexico because they are tired of the CCP bullshit.

>>16158817
You know that most of the reason that Chinese goods are cheap is because they leverage against "developing country" funds right? Almost everything shipped out of China is 0 cost subsidised by the taxpayers of the world.

>>16158819
They tried to move Apple manufacturing to India and it turned out that shitjeets can't even put together phones without taking a poo in them so they cancelled their gorillion dollar investment. Other developing countries lack the population base and top down state managing to build up the large industrial base to replace chink goods in any realistic capacity.

>>16158821
I wish you would jsut cut the fucking crap and show us your chinese hands, Chang.

>>16158830
I'm literally talking shit on the Chinese state you fucking 80IQ moron

>>16158831
you arent fooling anybody with your reverse-psych troll posts buddy.

>>16158833
Ok retard shuffle back into your basement.

Some very obvious gaslighting going on in this thread.

>>16158837
>Chinese should stop scamming developing country funds
>Yeah, I agree, that's also why their goods are so cheap and amerigoys would seethe if their chinkshit store goods went up in price
>SHUT UP CHINK CCP BOT

???? Get help glownigger retard, at least post some exploding bugman rockets or something if you want to seethe about chinks.

>>16158847
Anon, your right, but losing your shit over it is why your such a easy target.

>>16158850
Kys glownigger

>>16158850
Shut the fuck up faggot.

>>16158571
Long March 5 will get a 6.4 meter diameter fairing option
https://weibo.com/5658451754/OcIKxl0Oo

>>16158649
>>16158715
Can FH lift either 40t or 64t to LEO? Isn't FH structurally limited to F9 levels of payload mass because it uses an unreinforced F9 upper stage?

>>16158716
Didn't Yuzhmash facilities suffer a terminal case of missile bombardment

>>16158868
Falcon 9's second stage is built the same way as the booster, and the booster happily supports the 100+ ton upper stage without issue, even though it has a higher bending moment than the second stage.

>>16158614
Imo this is another Berger trash piece where he turns an article about some space event into another snarky blogpost full of swipes at the unenlightened troglodyte ways of le oldspace.

CLPS is in full swing, and IM-1 already kinda sorta landed. He even mentions this down in the text of the article. inb4 people say the title is technically correct because it's not "real" NASA when landings are bought as a service and the landers don't have a prominent meatball slapped on the side.

Berger says there is a competition between China's "embrace of a traditional approach" versus NASA's "way into some kind of new future", and ridicules China's manned lunar program as no improvement over Apollo because it uses expendables, which is disingenuous.

Firstly, LM-10 is a significant improvement over Apollo in that it will be able to save costs by building on existing tech rather than developing everything from scratch, and by having parts and pad commonality with other rockets. China's lunar crew capsule will also have a high degree of commonality with China's new LEO crew capsule.

Secondly, and most importantly, the LM-10-based landing system is almost certainly just meant to be a first step, one built at relatively low cost and schedule risk, experience gained from which can then inform the development of a more capable second-generation crewed landing system that uses LM-9 as its launch vehicle. This isn't going to be China's final word on the moon. China isn't going to just end it after 6 quick landings like the Americans did with Apollo.

Berger mentions that China's astronauts will only stay a few hours on the surface during the first landing. Regardless of whether this is due to the lander's inability to support longer stays, or whether it is just a way of minimizing risk on the first mission, that's not very relevant. The lander is, at its core, meant as just a transportation system, not as an integrated base. A base will be built separately.

>>16158596
Someone fact check me, but this is how I understand it: from a mechanical standpoint, think about what SpaceX does right now in its rocket landings at the point of the re-entry burn, then compare it with what they are going to be testing

When supersonic retropropulsion is used, you are:
a) entering an atmosphere at a significant fraction of its minimum orbital velocity or above
b) completely relying on this to prevent serious atmospheric friction heating
c) ejecting what is about to be supersonic (rocket exhaust) into something coming the opposite direction that is also supersonic

This is NASA re-purposing what the Falcon 9 does as a novel re-entry mechanism for things which are not rocket stages. The idea here is that the rocket's exhaust plume diverts the atmosphere just enough that it acts as a pseudo heat shield at precisely the moment it is most needed. Jury's still out on whether the entire mass of an engine+prop outweighs the mass of a heat shield, and whether that matters if you were going to include the engine anyway (propulsive landing). This is most obviously applicable to Mars, where propulsive landing is basically required

>>16158917
Is this true for all upper stage components? I've seen it claimed that for example payload adapter is a structurally limiting factor. Although I imagine payload adapter wouldn't be particularly expensive to redesign if necessary

Are the interstages and the booster designed to support a 64 ton payload in addition to the upper stage? Not just in terms of vertical compression. For example, you mention the bending moment, which could increase, no?

>>16158621
That might have been the original intent, back when it was planned to launch on the original LM-9 and before they changed the manned landing architecture to instead use distributed launch and a crasher stage

why did esa keep a tight lid on the galileo launch? they refuse to even acknowledge that it happened.

>>16158962
They get money from EU governments and don't really want them to know about it
The launch was a straight up admission that CNES/Arianespace (how do you tell them apart?) sucks at building rockets for ESA
France is in shambles

>only 245 launches are expected this year according to the NSF jewess
what went wrong? what happened to near 400 launches?

It's time for this firework nonsense thread to end.

Reminder that FPBP

HOLY SHIIIIIIIIT
https://www.spacex.com/updates/

SPACEX EVA SUIT REVEALED

https://x.com/spacex/status/1786759044948189202?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

THE KINO EVA SUIT

looks much nicer than the suit they use in dragon

>The 3D-printed helmet incorporates a new visor to reduce glare during the EVA in addition to the new Heads-Up Display (HUD) and camera that provide information on the suit’s pressure, temperature, and relative humidity.
hell yeah we future now

https://x.com/polarisprogram/status/1786760319471161688?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

>>16158993
Will they just use a long umbilical instead of a backpack or something?

>>16158986

>>16158940
Berger's point is that the pace of success out of China in aerospace is accelerating towards where SpaceX was with Falcon 9 and faster than US' own pace in trying to do the same. This is a problem because if China replicates the F9 model successfully, its TAM for reusable launches to Moon and beyond is much bigger than the US. Right now, only SpaceX is really doing anything significant along the lines of it. Stoke, Blue, Rocket, they've all talked about it and they have some demonstrators, but the real meat and potatoes aren't on the pad, aren't launching, aren't proving out the avionics, and aren't driving down the costs of their own respective markets either.

>“Yeah dude I’m really excited to show off our EVA suit, it looks like Master Chief!”
>look inside
>literally just the IVA suit with a gold visor and hardplate shoulder rotating cuffs

>>16159002
uhhh...
The best part is no part?

the death trap is on the move

>>16159005
penis rocket

>>16159005
haha, a penis

>>16158999
>>16158997
>>16158993
>>16158986
>>16158984
but can you use it on the moon

May the 4th be with you

>>16158997
Those boots are fucking awful. They look like wellingtons.

>>16158986
4,5h until a spaces discussion
3pm ET

>>16158984
>>16158986
>>16158999
wait, where's the attached life support system?

>>16159009
>Building a base on the Moon and a city on Mars will require millions of spacesuits. The development of this suit and the execution of the spacewalk will be important steps toward a scalable design for spacesuits on future long-duration missions as life becomes multiplanetary
probably not

>>16159013
It's got an iPhone dock. What more do you want?

>>16159012
https://twitter.com/rookisaacman/status/1786761535739617523

isaacman commenting

>>16158986
>>16158999
>integrated forward facing cameras
>HUD projector to display AR data on the internal visor surface
Kek, its gonna be hilarious when the rest of the industry just puts out a newer version of the 1960s suit and then you have SpaceX yet again out another decade in terms of usefulness of the suit. It's like they're the only company that pays attention to sci-fi movies and goes "we should make that reality today" and the rest of NASA looks at sci-fi movies and says "we should replicate the 50s, because that's all we know how to copy."

>>16159017
https://twitter.com/rookisaacman/status/1786761878858764381

>>16159002
ScamX confirmed

>>16159016
air supply and temperature regulation would be nice.

>>16159013
Pretty sure they just attach to Dragon

https://twitter.com/PolarisProgram/status/1786760319471161688
>More @SpaceX
photos of the new Extravehicular Activity (EVA) suit the Polaris Dawn crew will wear during their upcoming mission. Let us know your questions below ahead of today’s X Spaces event with the crew and SpaceX team

shitliner killing its crew will stop human spaceflight for years

>>16159025
ask questions

>>16159027
ow my neck

>>16159027

>>16159027
where's cortana?

I love SX so much it’s unreal

>>16159025
i thought EVA suits were one of those things that just weren't that easy in rocketry

>>16159035
kek

>>16158950
I've seen Musk claim all they would need to do is simply stretch the second stage.

>>16158984
there are links to a polaris programme website I haven't seen before

https://polarisprogram.com/

>>16158967
>~60% are spacex alone

>>16159039
the spacex human spaceflight page has also been updated with the new EVA suit (Scroll down)

https://www.spacex.com/humanspaceflight/

>>16158986
THICC BOY

>>16159039
from the polaris website

>>16159047
>mission 2 doesnt use starship
i sleep

>>16159047
https://polarisprogram.com/dawn/

>>16158986
does this mean that spacex also makes diapers now?

>>16158984
It will look a lot different with 1 bar overpressure

>>16159053
spinning video with I assume the same information as the points in here >>16159042

>>16158999
Chad jawline on that suit. I bet the visor will in practice turn out to be gold instead of black. Just like how the visor on the iva suit turned out clear

>>16158986
>>16159042
Can these be used to walk on the moon or Mars? Or do they need to modify them more?

>>16159062
I assume it only uses umbilical cord

>elon wants to colonize a desert planet
>his space suits look like sardaukar suits
strong dune energy

>>16159042
buddy, whats up with the arms and legs kek

>>16159062
At the very least it needs a self-contained life support backpack or frontpack. And thicker boots. Also this suit is designed simply for orbital EVA so it probably doesn’t have engineering considerations for lunar dust.
It needs to be further upgraded for doing any sort of lunar EVA activity.

>>16159063
Umbilical cord for extended life support but that can be made portable with a backpack or something.

What more do you need for mars/moon walking? The suit already does rad protection, environment checks, temp check, etc. Extended backpack would just provide more duration right?

>>16159065
you have to have some aesthetic compromises if you want 1atm pressure and flexible joints

>>16159068
you need active dust deflection and dust resistant fabric

>>16159064
Sardaukar suits for the outside and Fremen suits for the inside, since water will be incredibly precious early on.

>>16159042
arms somehow higher up?

>>16159064
fucking kill yourself holy shit do you only know how to process the world through contemporary pop culture

>>16159078
shrugcels we won

>>16159078
Happens when you have to stiffen it up.

>>16159078
>>16159082

>ever wearing a cucksuit
>not absorbing the power of space directly through your own skin

>>16159064
lel

>>16159019
Elon Musk is a car salesman who wants to hype himself up as Iron Man to help him sell overpriced cars. Hence SpaceX cares a lot about making everything look cool, clean, sleek and sci-fi, even when the additional utility of it is questionable and it adds unneeded complexity that can go wrong at very inopportune times. Other space industry actors don't have that kind of incentive.

>>16159088
fremen stillsuit from the same concept artist

>>16159089
He gets to do whatever he wants, at least in the spaceflight sector, because he’s wiping the floor clean with all the other fuckheads in the industry who have either been incompetently grifting (oldspace) or not doing a single worthwhile thing (branson, bezos, etc.)

How is the EVA so thin? You’re telling me this whole time we never needed these chunky bois?

Why they never did it?

>>16159091
this is retarded, it looks like the dark knight batman suit with a paintball helmet

>>16159078
Going by the video of its motion, it has rigid, rotating joints underneath the suit. Anyway, here's all the blurbs

>>16159095
Because the rest of EVAs dont use umbilical cord

>>16159095
Because it's intended for small jaunts outside the capsule, not 7 hours of work?

>>16159096
I assume because it would mean a lot of cost and no revenue, or at least not enough revenue to justify the cost

>>16159095
Strip off the backpack and extra head gear and control boards, and also realize this design is heritage from the apollo/skylab suits that they already did the R&D on a long time ago, which needed to be thicker for lunar moonwalking and you get the idea

>>16158609
I'll wait for the luxury 18m ITS with panoramic windows.

>>16159107
Also, comparing a literal wetsuit with a diving suit intended for seabed welding.

>>16159072
We need to start sending the REAL ubermensch to space. when you don't need to pressurize to 1 atm, things become a lot easier.

>>16158984
>millions of spacesuits

>>16159062
No, it's a space walking suit, not moon or mars suit.

>>16159114
Actually now that I think about it, these SX EVA suits probably won’t run at 1atm. The current NASA/Roscosmos suits don’t (because less pressure makes it easier to move in the suit—at the cost of needing to prebreathe and take a long time to start EVAing)
Newer (Artemis style) suits are going for 1atm though because that’s what your ship usually runs at, and it makes it easier to just climb in the suit at a suitport and go. At the cost of needing more complex suits with stiffer joints

>>16159095
I think, you need a lot less equipment if you have an umbilical connection with the capsule, you need a lot less insulation and cooling circuitry if you never intend to venture outside the shadow of the capsule, and you don't need to bring any tools if you're not going to perform any tasks.

>>16159000
Don't worry, Joe Bidet and the Demorats are working as hard as they can to slow down Starship!

>>16159120
SpaceX's suit runs at 5.1 PSI during EVA.

>>16159120
>probably won’t run at 1atm
According to >>16159098 it's 5,1psia, which is about a third of an atmosphere.

>>16159124
>We are now in a prewar situation
>Dec 31, 2021
Zubrin is always right

>>16159120
>>16159127
The Gemini and Apollo suits ran at 3.7 PSI. The Advanced Extravehicular Mobility Unit suits run at 4.3 PSI. In the world of American spacesuits, 5.1 is a lot.

>>16159026
The existence of Russian and Chinese space programs means that stopping manned space flight in America would be the kind of national humiliation that has major political consequences.

SpaceX is necessary until a better alternative comes along (lol, lmao even)

>>16159133
Nice thanks for putting it into perspective, that’s actually interesting

>>16159133
Easier to breathe without being an olympic swimmer I guess.

>>16159136
You're welcome, Anon. For additional reference, the Russian Orlan spacesuit (semi-rigid suit) runs at 5.8 PSI.

>>16159133
How do the Russian and Chinese suits compare? Do we even know what China's specs are?

>>16159095

>>16159095
genuinely why are retards like you not just perma'd for being so fucking stupid

>>16159000
What is TAM? Do you mean "total addressable market"? If so, what do you mean by China having a bigger TAM for moon launches?

>>16159133
>>16159138
Makes sense if these suits need to work for every Tom, Dick, and Harry.

>>16159141
The Chinese suits are a bit of a mystery. Russia prefers higher suit pressures, though, so the Chinese suits probably lean similarly.

>>16159056
If so they're aiming for complete and rapid reusability, likely using stainless steel components.

>>16159150
What's the turnaround time for reusable steel diapers

>>16159087
vacuumorph claws typed this post

>>16159134
That was effectively allowed to happen in the 2011-2020 period though. Although American politicians might care more now because international tensions are running higher and the Chinese space presence has become permanent

>>16159072
I'm more wondering why it looks shrink wrapped to a shitty makehuman model rather than puffyl like a space suit in space

wtf, I just threw up after I had a cup of vimto and a cup of green tea. Have I been poisoned? Which one poisoned me?

>>16159150
And a full-flow staged combustion cycle

>space force budget is expected to be stagnant for the rest of the decade
give them that sls budget

>>16159145
Chinese population is ~3x larger than the US anon. Statistically, the amount of companies and capital within the market is 3x larger than the US. Competition thereby is 3x more significant across all sectors, and the interest for extra orbital initiatives is 3x greater.

This is obviously greatly simplified, but logically it holds true that a country vying to become the next global super power with roughly 3x greater population than the current dominant global super power, will set its ambitions far higher than the one stagnating (minus an anomalous set of companies all led by 1 dude), in order to overtake it and maintain its new crown.

>>16159153
I think typical autoclave cycles are 30-60 minutes but you could probably go faster with higher temperatures

>>16159160
NASA's budget got cut by a billion dollars
They are going to get aggressive about killing the ISS boat anchor
This in turn is going to make foreign contributions more difficult for NASA missions since they were usually bartered for ISS support

>>16159156
Yeah, when Shuttle retired it was before the Ruzzian zerg rush into Crimea and Donbas. I bet they would have postponed shuttle retirement if relations were as bad as they ended up

>>16159002
making the suits as similar as possible will drive the cost down, it makes sense

>>16159159
Would certainly be helpful in keeping the stainless steel unstained

>>16159169
We probably would have lost another orbiter by now.

>>16159009
probably not this exact one but some future version of this

>>16159166
Oh well. I guess they'll have to pay Elon for access to space instead.

>>16159163
spacex obviously will be 1 or 2 gen ahead of china, but the rest of the US needs to be on the same pace as china

>>16159164
Now that's rapid reuse

>>16159089
he was a space company CEO before he started selling cars

they should just go one step further and make them look like this

>>16159098
you missed the shoulders

>>16159176
What is going to be SpaceX's generational leap after Starship that will allow SpaceX to stay 1-2 gen ahead of China? SpaceX plans I know of are to just incrementally improve Raptor and Starship, which is quickly going to yield diminishing returns

>>16159133
and atm is 14.7 PSI for reference

>>16159188
starship is the LEO monster that will birth the spacex orbital shipyard

>>16159188
18m diameter variant. Hopefully it gets built before Elon perishes because it is the one that can ACTUALLY fulfill the original Starship promise of 100 people per ship and 1 million tons per year to Mars.

>>16159174
>tfw you're the monopoly simply because nobody else cared enough to try

>>16159185
what's that from? dunc?

>>16159202
yeah, its the spacing guild, aka astronauts

>>16159163
Unfortunately the PRC is still wary of an unmanaged economy, and a lot of the recent efforts for spaceflight parity with the US are a much more deliberate state directed approach than what led to SpaceX. Someone even remotely like Musk wouldn't really be permitted to thrive in the current environment (see what happened to jack ma) which I think hobbles their potential a bit.

I agree that without intervention by the US, they will likely supplant it eventually, but I wish they weren't such control freaks.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1786777784414785908

>>16159184
I'm not saying Musk originally started SpaceX just to help him sell cars. I'm saying he takes the opportunity to make use of the marketing synergy potential of his dual position as space company CEO and car company CEO

>>16159207
what is the unneeded complexity you talk about? or are you just pulling shit out of your ass?

>>16159200
people tried but every single one of them failed or stayed irrelevant

>>16159205

>>16159186
Crap. Well, while I'm at it, I might as well fix the alignment of the text.

>>16159163
>China is ~3X larger than US
China has 1.41 billion people
US has 333 million people

1410/333 = 4.23

>>16159204
>jack ma
You mean a guy who wanted to facilitate unsecured loans to consumers on a massive scale, wanted to use other people's money to do it, and handwaved away concerns about collateral and financial stability with "we'll just use AI to identify risk"?

There's no lack of privately controlled space efforts in China, it just happens to still be in its infancy because the industry was only opened up in late 2014

>>16159210
Do you really need a HUD?

>>16159223
YES. HOW DO YOU PLAY VIDEOGAMES WITHOUT A HUD? THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EASY AND LASO

>>16159223
You’re right it’s unnecessary, they should just rawdog the EVA without any information on their suit parameters. Who cares about vital information

>>16159064
Actually it's based on Black Panther kino

>>16159219
>almost all SpaceX copies, no Vulcan, no SLS copies
makes you think

>>16159223
I would imagine you would have redundant data somewhere else like a pad you carry with you
and yes, why not? they might expand this to be more extensive and better later, but having an integrated way to show data and then have a LLM based voice assistant or something later as a way to control it does make sense
isn't that much better than having to fuck with the pad?

>>16159219
>>16159232
People dont understand how much of an influence Elon is in terms of Space industry and Electric car industry. They like to downplay it.

>>16159229
How is information conveyed in current space suits? How do scuba divers monitor air time depth etc without a HUD visor to display it in their face?

>>16159219
Please explain to me how privately owned and controlled space flight corporations are possible in China
t. lived in China and nearly incorporated there

>>16158984
>>16158999
Do you think spacex will sell these commercially soonish?

>>16159219
What? Why did the industry have to be 'opened' in the first place? Reminds me of "Everything which is not allowed is forbidden".

>>16159242
Is this meant to be some kind of "technically there are no privately controlled corporations in China because the state always has the last say on everything" argument? Well it's the same everywhere, the state always has the last say within its jurisdiction. For example, the US government can commandeer any company using the Defense Production Act, or any new law Congress might decide to pass

>>16159080
bros... holy fr*ggin heckarino... this is just like the duno sodacar le epic popular twink movie!

>>16159107
>>16159095
These things were actually designed for WELDING in space.
Go look at all the old skylab info. NASA wanted multi purpose super tough suits because they thought astronauts would actually weld and assemble in space

>>16159249
it’s fundamentally different

>>16159229
so how theyve been doing it for decades ? A hud certainly makes their life easier but its not like it is some impossible task without.

>>16159166
>They are going to get aggressive about killing the ISS boat anchor
It also fucks over future commercial space stations not having access to ISS

>>16159249
No, it was my understanding that a certain percentage of direct government ownership was required for certain corporations.

>>16159223
Boomers love to be chatterboxes on the phone over every little thing. This extends to spaceflight. Even militaries at this point are trying to introduce heads up displays to infantry, it makes way more sense to do it for astornauts who are much higher investment assets. Words are a terrible tool for getting across many concepts, and the verbal comms should be kept for important stuff instead of every little minute detail. Upload the necessary data to the HUD and let theastronaut shut up and concentrate.

>>16159247
I don't know the details. It's what I've heard said. It might be that the regulatory environment was simply inconducive for it for it to be practical

I remember that Jean Deville for example pointed to this 2014 State Council policy guidance document

>The people's governments of all provinces, autonomous regions, and municipalities directly under the Central Government, all ministries and commissions of the State Council, and all agencies directly under the State Council:
>In order to promote the strategic adjustment of the economic structure, strengthen the construction of weak links, and promote sustained and healthy economic development, there is an urgent need to further innovate investment and financing mechanisms in key areas such as public services, resources and environment, ecological construction, and infrastructure, and give full play to social capital, especially private capital. positive effect. To this end, the following opinions are proposed.

>7. Promote the diversification of investment entities in information and civil space infrastructure
>(24) Encourage private capital to participate in the construction of national civil space infrastructure. Improve civilian remote sensing satellite data policies, strengthen government procurement services, encourage private capital to develop, launch and operate commercial remote sensing satellites, and provide market-oriented and professional services. Guide private capital to participate in the construction of satellite navigation ground application systems.

>State Council
>November 16, 2014

https://www.gov.cn/zhengce/content/2014-11/26/content_9260.htm

UNNNHGGHHHH HOW LONG UNTIL I CAN SNIFF MY OWN BRAPS IN SPACE WITH SPACEX EVA

i was today years old when i learned
spacex has a suit that looks like master chef

>>16159263
Unless the government owns a controlling stake, the company would still be privately controlled.

Even if the government were to own a controlling stake, a company can still be run as a for-profit company rather than a policy company, being effectively identical to a privately controlled company in its behavior

An example I've read about: Space Pioneer. Kang Yonglai is both the founder and the CEO. His investors is mainly state and municipal VCs however he himself runs the company he founded.

Another example: Landspace. Zhang Changwu is founder and CEO, and the company has more of a mix of private and government VCs.

>>16159273
How necessary is it for a joyride?

>>16159160
>>16159166
If Congress can't do pork/graft through NASA then they'll do pork through some other department or agency. If those billions aren't going to SLS then it's not going to spaceflight at all. Money spent on a pork/graft project isn't suddenly going to be reallocated to useful things if the project is cancelled, the money is intended for pork/graft and is thus going to be reallocated to some other pork/graft project that lets Congress achieve its intent.

>>16159133
For context, that's the same pressure as roughly 26,500 ft
The bottom section is what PSI would be needed to replicate an aircraft cabin (0.74atm), which is pressurized to 8000ft (6000ft in the A350 and 787)

>>16159258
yes why make things better

>>16159160
>>16159166
If Congress can't funnel pork/graft through NASA then they'll funnel it through some other department or agency. If those billions aren't going to SLS/Orion then they're not going to spaceflight at all. Money spent on a pork/graft project isn't suddenly going to be reallocated to useful things if the project is cancelled. The money is intended for pork/graft and is thus going to be reallocated to some other pork/graft project that lets Congress achieve its intent.

The main benefit of getting rid of SLS/Orion is not that it will necessarily free up more money for other NASA projects. The main benefit is would be that NASA would no longer have to design flagship missions around SLS/Orion to justify their existence.

>>16158824
that's why the long term stable path is rejecting slave wage manufacfuring forever and bringing automated factories all the way home

Welp, it’s on

https://x.com/gregwautry/status/1786792341430489576?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

>>16159223
No shit. You don't need to have pretty much anything
Spoon? just use hand
Phone? just yell at people

>>16159354
Incredibly petty.
Why are they like this?

>>16159354
competitive race motivation
lets go

if i have diarea in my spacex eva suit what options do i have

>>16158571
What if it's a meme flag?

>>16159354
Honestly, NASA deserves a little embarrassment

>>16156507
What if its a meme flag?

>>16159361
The CCP thinks it's the next global leader.
And they think by doing shit like this that they can convinvce the rest of the world that they are not actually a paper dragon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l0KtSq1Pk8
>Flight 5 Starship Rolled Out and Ready to Test | SpaceX Boca Chica

>>16158614
Asians: when I say I'll do something I do it
US of gay: when I say I'll do something It means I just need free gov gibs with no progress

>>16159357
rocket? just use your imagination

>>16159354
Good. Motivator for the retvrn

>>16159295
this is a development mission, not a joyride
SpaceX is speedrunning their private human spaceflight programme
soon they won't need NASA for anything at all, they will hopefully be just another customer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okqNepQn_Tg

>>16159382
Spacex will never reach the moon

>>16159354
damn, they are certainly not subtle

>>16159354
Fitting. It's called passing on the torch. Only Chinese are smart enough to go toe to toe with Apollo level Americans

So now that the dust has settled. Will SpaceX be providing the lunar EVA suits as well as the ride?

>>16159388
no the lunar EVA suits will be made by Axiom and that contract hasn't been cancelled yet

https://www.axiomspace.com/axiom-suit

>>16159394
why do these prototype suits always recieve such diabolical color schemes?

>>16159385
SpaceX will definitely reach the Luna

>>16159388
Yes, for private missions. Not for early NASA missions

>>16159361
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT6kblEmGGc

>>16158775
it's kosmos-2553 https://twitter.com/russianforces/status/1786523272072331561
>>16158868
>>16158917
>>16158950
>>16159037
max load it can handle is a little less than 19 tons with the PAF 2624. this has been in the payload user's guide for years.

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1786764079002161572

20min

Are there any discussions of commercial lunar landings? From NASA or SpaceX or others? Concrete plans? Or is that something nasa would want to stay silent on for now

>>16159375
In a large part of the world, treating your mortal enemies with respect is a sign of strength and high-status (shows you can afford it). It's always been weird to me that this status signal never seems to have caught on in china.

Photo from Chris Bergen on L2

Imagine this pic but with Vulcan/Starliner, Starship, Falcon and SLS all on their pads?

>>16159413
we just had an american commercial lander on the moon. there have been others too.

>>16159419
I meant crewed

>>16159413
nothing I've heard and I would guess SpaceX would like to keep those unsaid before NASA gets their quota women and minorities on the moon to dodge some unnecessary whining
after NASA does what they do, I doubt they will care about commercial lunar landings hurting their prestige as they were "first"
but the SLS and Orion are going to eat up a lot of budget if those programs keep going after the first landing
they need to abandon them and pivot to running moonbases, not too hopeful that is going to happen soon though
but who knows, maybe Starship is so impressive that it wakes people up

>>16159188
FFSC w/ MethalOx is the stepping stone engine to fusion torches. Nuclear engines are a meme the same way that hydrolox is a meme. Both have insane efficiency and ISP capabilities, but both have insane management and storage requirements; the latter of which is 10x harder because you're dealing with very high purity fissile material which is probably in the ballpark of being weapons grade. Which means that the total number of companies that would be allowed to build such engines can be counted on 1 hand over a multi-decade timeframe.

Starship w/ FFSC MethalOx takes us from 2024 all the way out to 2040 easily, and accounting for advances in ML/AI, material science gains, and compounding effects of scientific discovery, means that fusion reactors will be a likely solved problem by mid 2040s to latest 2050.

Then Starship can evolve into a 12 or 18 meter variant using fusion torches, which gives it the ability to become an SSTO anywhere in Sol.

>>16159423
oh then none that i know of, just the two flybys from tito and the artists. i think everyone is waiting for nasa to start a moon base first.

>>16158990
thats fucking incredible finally we are using MODERN technology.
>>16158989
im waiting for the apologies from cucks that said the suits would be bulky as fuck for spacewalks. NOW WHAT
>>16158997
kino, no other word for it.
>>16158999
holy shit that actually looks so comfy too I WANT TO HEAR REVIEWS FROM THEM AFTERWARDS ON WHAT IT WAS LIKE. NASA cucks always complain about how uncomfortable it is so lets see what they say.
>>16159002
wow its almost like the IVA looked better any fucking way and its decades ahead of the current bulky fucking triple backpack deathtrap suit
>>16159011
subhuman indian poojeet piping up about wellingtons like hes actually british, kys.

>>16159012
did they say anything i wasnt paying attention

>>16159288
>master chef
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4exaXdPKS3Y

>>16159414
The mainland chinese are vindictive little bitches, the whole recent philippines cyanide poisoning situation only enforces the fact that they should never be allowed to become the defacto global leader.
To keep it space related, this is the same goverment who drops hypergolic boosters on it's own people and locks them up if they dare to speak up about it.

>>16159030
oh my sovl
>>16159047
keeeek mission 3
>>16159042
looks kind of like a motorcyclist suit ngl, very comfy.
>>16159064
go back to plebbit or >>>/lit/sffg this is not the place for muh pop sci references
>>16159124
buh buh buh based

>>16159412
it started

>>16159354
either lights a fire under congress's ass or the chinese take over the moon.

>>16159412

>>16159437
watching now. seems they havent started.

>>16159441
stu keech started talking

ok so we got the leader of dragon talking, now going over to isaacman

Have Csceptic or Thundercunt said anything about the suits

>>16159443
wtf i dont hear anything

>>16159430
it just started, they are still dong introductions
but the dragon VP said that polaris dawn is going to be their next mission, trying to do it in early summer
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1786764079002161572

damn so they have spacex employees going on this flight? i fucking knew it was a good idea to aim for a job at spacex, ILL SEE YOU FUCKERS ON MARS KEK

How many days left until the next Starship launch? If you're within one day of the correct answer you will be allowed to live.

>>16159449
Tomorrow.

>>16159447
spacex isnt paying for the flight

>>16159437
How do I watch it? This What I get when I click the link in the post

>>16159447
yes that has been known for a like a year or two already, the two women are SpaceX engineers

>>16159449
14

>>16159454
maybe you need an account
jared isaacman is talking about the mission testing laser based communication
they are also going to have 5 days of science

>>16159455
I didnt pay attention much other than headlines until now since it was so far away and kept getting delayed

>>16159444
Probably in thunders next video he will say it's something easy which he could build in his lab, and he will emphasize that spacex are terrible because Gemini did EVA in the 60's. CSS will claim that the suits will rupture and kill the crew due to a starlink satelite hitting them when they EVA

>>16159455

Someone write down what theyre talking about here I cant listen since Im shitting

>>16159464

>>16159467

>>16159466
scott poteet (or kidd) talking about starlink connecting some remote locations and that they are going to test it for connection now

>>16159464
Must be nice to have fuck you money.

>>16159468
anna talking about the science goals
they have 40 science experiments to do in the 5 days

>>16159468
>barely 30 years old
>going to space
wtf

>>16159470
Wait theyre out there for 5 days? How are they going to repressurize Dragon once they pop that shit open to get out? Is there an airlock or something?

>>16159470
honestly what kind of LEO experiements are there to do nowadays after countless hours on Shittle and ISS?

>>16159473
No airlock. Not that hard to store what you're breathing while doing a quick nip outside.

>>16159473
probably climb back in and wait for it to repressurize like Gemini

>>16159475
So the interior of Dragon on reentry is going to be depressurized?

>>16159478
Just repress. You can fit a lot of extra air in a high pressure cylinder.

https://polarisprogram.com/science-research/

list of the experiments, seems to be mostly medical experiments, especially about how radiation, gravity etc will affect astronauts

>>16159479
my dads cock was hi pressure in your ass.

>>16159481
Seethe tranny

>>16159474
plenty apparently, not sure what NASA has been doing

so basically, the IVA was supposed to be the base model for all suits and they are just adapting the EVA to it.

fuck have they said anything about the HUD yet i just finished up and came back in

>>16159490
they talked about it but I was multitasking so I missed it lol

>>16159438
too busy arresting anti semites

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1786828966353056082

>>16159141
Russian suits (Orlan series) nominally run at ~5.8 psi. Given the Chinese used Orlan suits and Feitian (basically a Chinese copy of an Orlan) analogously, I think it's entirely likely that they also run at 5.8 psi.

>>16159493
unlucky! guess the closest thing to a sanctified site on a different planet is going to be defiled.

>>16159495
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1786829373422837974

>>16159490
>only active during spacewalk
literally why

>>16159499
kek thats going to look derpy if they get a massive jetpack on their back. if it isnt compressed its going to look like a turtle

>>16159500
thats the only time when its necessary. they will have screens when not in the EVAs. also im wondering if they are going to be required to shit their pants up there or how it will work during the 5 days.

100% O2 in suits, conduct the spacewalk in 100% O2

>>16159506
>apollo 1 redux
oh no no no

>>16159078
This is almost certainly due to the addition of arm bearings, which in order to comfortably allow for the wide range of movement you have with the shoulder, are typically large in diameter and situated a little bit high up.
>>16159098
>it has rigid, rotating joints underneath the suit
It should be highlighted that, as per the callout description, the suit uses novel SEMI-RIGID "rotary joints". Also note that they don't just call them bearings. Bearings or not, a semi-rigid (which in spacesuit lexicon means that it uses a mix of soft elements, like fabric and cords and whatnot, and rigid elements, like metallic machined parts) torsion joint is, to my knowledge, completely new, and NOT easy to do.

Literally the only thing I can think of that ever came close was Slip-net (picrel), which could give you a bit of torsional compliance, but at very high torque. However, Slip-net was a homogenous full-body layer, like Link-net, which is NOT what we are seeing here with the SpaceX suit, which seems to have discreet, low-profile rotating joints at specific locations.

>>16159498
I'm happy for the chinese

>china changes the crater's name to aporro

what have they been saying why arent you spoonfeeding me.

>>16159517
they just announced that clear will be on dear moon!

>>16159522
>clear moon
oh my god

EVA operation is going to 2h end-to-end which includes capsule depressurisation, the spacewalk itself and repressurisation

Has elon revealed the new EVA backpat jetpack

>>16159530
right after the EVA flamethrower

>the goal of this suit is going to be the v1 of our EVA suit and we will continue to do improvements and block upgrades

>>16159499
Me on the Moon ten years from now

>>16159258
>>16159240
Spacesuits have had the means of monitoring and controlling suit resources and functions since basically the first EVAs. Picrel is the top view of the chest-mounted DCM (Display and Control Module) found on contemporary US spacesuits. This is your HUD. Since these were built in the 70s, they're pretty shit simple, just a tiny alphanumeric display screen and a bunch of knobs, switches and buttons.

Eric Berger!

>Q: Is there a goal to make these suits the IVA suits?
> We plan to have just one suit which handles everything, we have already started implementing changes into the standard IVA suit

>>16159517
One of the females: "Eww, he's so gross!"
Followed by ridicule and laughter. (They know you were shitting)

eric berger fail keeeek

>>16159534
KSP is cancelled didnt you hear chud

ALSO HUD DISPLAY DISCUSSION GET IN HERE

>>16159354
The SPA basin in general and the Apollo crater in particular are said to be thought to be of exceptional interest to selenology due to their age and depth and may contain lunar mantle ejecta. At least I think that's the official reason they chose that crater

>>16159540
erm sweetie that's a picture from ksp 1 not ksp 2

are exoatmospheric anti-ballistic missiles /spaceflight/?

>>16159537
Yeah I was wondering this as well. Makes sense to simplify everything into one suit

>>16159541
Americans as usual thinks it's all about them. I assure you, no one in China space HQ even for 1 sevond gave thought about America. pictured is an American ego deflating

BERGER IS BACK

>Q: What does the HUD look like?
>Sarah: Being able to have situational awareness what your suit is doing is important, especially the pressure. Some supplemental information like time on oxygen. Suits below your left jaw, really cool, you can still see the world but you have these pieces of information when you need them.
>Jared: HUDs in jets are shit, this one is really sleek (though the first version was kind of rough), but this one is good and in the future it will be even better. Might use AV (Augmented Reality) in the future.

>>16159543
Nothing less than orbital should be considered spaceflight.

>>16159388
No because (assuming Polaris Dawn goes well) they will have only demonstrated an adequate microgravity EVA suit, not a planetary EVA suit. From what we know right now, the SpaceX EVA suit cannot walk on the Moon. It simply does not have the lower body mobility.

Also, afaik Artemis mission planning puts a lot of importance on zero pre-breathe times, which the Axiom EMU (which runs at 8.3 psi) can permit, but the SpaceX suit (which runs at 5.1 psi) could not.

Jared knows we can’t afford to stagnate eternally in LEO as a species
He’s so based lmao

>>16159504
>no shit% hud element in your face the entire flight
missed opportunity. spacex will fail.

>>16159546
>The USA will land in Mao Zhedong crater and leave a Tiananmen Square memorial plaque
>Officials say this is coincidental and is in no way a slight to the glorious PRC National Government

Not gonna lie, kinda wanna fug the girl astronauts. anyone got the feet pics?

>Most excited for?
>Anna: I will be able to read a book to my kids and to children in St Judes
>Jared: I'm really excited to see the reaction on my crew members faces when we arrive in orbit.
>Sarah: Incredible to see what Starlink will be able to do for the world, like connecting hospitals. Really excited to see what Starlink will do for vehicles in space with high bandwidth capacity (laserlink for communication with starlink satellites directly)
>Kidd: Looking forward to the launch itself, seeing what the earth looks like in lower perigees, seeing what starlink will be able to provide, we have high expectations for starlink. Re-entry and splashdown.

>The dragon for this flight is going through its pre-flight checks for the early Summer flight.

>>16159557
women missing the point entirely, yet again. waste of seats

lol did they cut him off?

>>16159555
she has feetpics? mama

>>16159354
I suspect there's a lot of stuff they're not revealing (like the progress of the CZ-10 stack). Either they're making good progress or really far behind. If you look at their 2030 timeline, unless they start launching soon they're not going to make it.
It took 5 years for SpaceX to go from F9 to FH and CZ-10 is more technically complex (has a centaur third stage)

>>16159546
Why not both? Two birds with one stone while also maintaining plausible deniability

>>16159047
>…and endeavoring to reach the highest earth orbit ever flown
Am I reading too much between the lines here? Why is it worded like they aren’t entirely confident they can actually make the highest orbit

>>16159566
they are endeavoring because it hasn't happened yet, I don't think it means anything else

>>16159550
so I guess the next upgrades for the suit is going to look at lower leg mobility then

>>16159354
Literally evil. There's no positive spin to this.

There's a live feed of the starliner pad
https://youtu.be/vhh0TizuvjY

>>16159499
The NASA EVA suit has a jetpack though. You can see it in that picture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_Aid_For_EVA_Rescue

>>16159572
Absolutely. If the modifications for the upper torso demonstrate adequate mobility, then it should be no problem to apply similar upgrades to the lower torso. Hopefully they will find ways of improving joint performance, since that sort of robust mobility is even more critical when working on the Moon. This will likely result in a slightly bulkier suit, but at this rate I think that's fine.

>>16159580
We Are Going!

>>16159580
>live feed
more like dead sneed

>>16159589
HAHAHAHAHAHA!

>>16159591

>>16159564
CZ-10A is NET 2026 and CZ-10 is NET 2027. That seems soon enough for rehearsals and a 2029 landing

What is it that they haven't been revealing about the CZ-10 stack that you think they should be revealing?

>>16159429
Why would I pretend to be British?

>>16159597
>admitting youre a jeet

>>16159599
Where did I admit that I'm Indian?

https://twitter.com/rookisaacman/status/1786772089543757899

>>16159603
>The EVA suit is a mini spaceship w/ thermal management, redundant life support pathways, avionics HUD/camera, joints & rotators for mobility under pressure and so much more.
The SpaceX eva suit is a spaceplane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Css_Ofox8VE

Reminder, American debt INTEREST is going to be ~1.6-1.8 TRILLION by the end of this year. Its been doubling and tripling since the last few years.

There's no telling when the looming budget sequestration is, but the pain will be felt nationwide. Either through bankruptcy or extreme cuts to budgets everywhere.

>>16159377
Sure thing chang

>>16158795
Exactly

>>16159514
我则看不起你。

>>16159603
>HUD
cool

>>16159546
>China tries to match every American space achievement
>clearly not thinking about America
白痴

>>16159564
There's plenty of footage of YF-100K and YF-100M engine tests. The YF-100K is planned to fly this summer on CZ-12.
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Ee4y127a6
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1qh4y1V7Yf/

The YF-75E engine is, I think, just a slightly modified YF-75D, and has undergone tests
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1aT411G7jJ/

The CZ-10 third stage is similar to the CZ-5 second stage, so it's not exactly groundbreaking technology for CASC. They've shown several pics of CZ-10 structure test articles over the years. They've recently started building the pad in Wenchang, as can be seen in satellite imagery. It all seems to me perfectly consistent with the planned 2027 launch date.

There seems to be an assumption that the unicore CZ-10A must fly many years before the tricore CZ-10, because that was the case with Falcon Heavy. However, the CZ-10A is a derivative of CZ-10 rather than the other way around. Hence why it has such a terrible mass fraction. And there's not much purpose in having CZ-10A ready to fly before the Mengzhou capsule is close to being ready, so developing CZ-10A and CZ-10 asynchronously makes little sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9aBftNDxXA
>SpaceX Starship 25 Heat Tile Search Adventure- The reentered tile update

heat tiles from flight 2

>>16159629

>>16159580

>>16159609
The sandworn is a subtle joke.

>>16159637
>>16159609
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl99JX4I6jo

>>16159629
Delta IV Medium first flew in 2002, Delta IV Heavy first flew in 2004

>>16159628
Then we should expect China to cancel Tianwen-3 soon, because why bother

>>16159629
https://weibo.com/5386897742/LEx7mrick

>>16159629
https://weibo.com/5386897742/MBmQKhZt2

bros i fucked up and left something behind at my college and now i have to do a back and forth 9 hour trip tomorrow. whats something i can listen to other than music on the way up that is space related and doesnt need much visuals

>>16159629
NIHAO

>>16159669
Zoobrine

>>16159669
Nobody cares. Not your blog.

>>16159669
The History of Rome by Mike Duncan

>>16159629
YF-75E
https://weibo.com/5386897742/MnONrnr3P

>>16159669
compare the price of gas to the price of just buying a replacement item

>>16159683
10x over the gas is worth it. Recommend me a space related audio book or something pls.

>>16159629
Grid fin deployment tests (for the reusable first stage)
https://weibo.com/7604660608/N1kgirxP7

The point is, they're sharing a lot about the development of CZ-10/A

>>16159679
More like Kike Dunkin
>Hello!... And Weeelcommmme.. To the History of Rome : )
Fucking faggot

>>16159669
Only 10 minutes.

https://soundcloud.com/pseagles/greg-autry-red-moon-rising-may-3-2024-proamericareport