/sci/ - Science & Math

>>16127678
how do you move between the sections if the central area is filled with plants?

>>16127682
it was designed by a woman

>>16127686
What do Iran and Israel have in space? Spy sats?

>>16127682
you can see theres small holes in the center

>>16127691
probably, though we could also see missile intercepts in space

>>16127691
Israel tried a moon landing I think and failed. Iran has probably spy sats and thats it, not a very spaceflight inclined area in the Middle East other than the UAE which is literally trying everything possible to spend money.

>>16127697
we're going to be waiting a long time if we want to see two major space powers fight each other

>>16127678
Why is Airbus making the American space station?

>>16127699
SLC40/LC39A need big Elon posters on the side like that tower

https://twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1778877888021876890

>>16127699
Yep. Its basically restricted to the US and China right now, and they both silently agreed to not conduct orbital warfare so just gotta wait for some violent countries to get up there

>>16127701
the seething would be worth it

reminder that >>>/wsg/5512209 is /sfg/'s love theme until somebody comes up with a better one

>>16127697
Oh yeah I forgot about bareshit (or however that's spelt
>>16127699
Is that pakistan? why the fuck do they have giant posters of old dudes on that building that I assume is a crappy VAB?

>>16127700
What, do you think Boeing could do it?

>>16127702
>bree
exclusively a troon name

No, shut up.

>>16127714
This for >>16127709 this

>>16127709
Is this one of these AI generated pieces?
It's pretty good, anon.

>>16127720
Stop sucking yourself off fag.

>>16127712
Surely there has to be other, competent American company.

>>16127702
just goes to show what kind of personality gets interested in space soiyence

>>16127722
kek

>>16127723

>>16127682

>>16127658
IPFS (InterPlanetary File System) is essentially this. it's supposed to work even when the connection is intermittent and there's a long delay. You make a request to download something, and the protocol finds the fastest way to get it, which could ideally be from someone who's already downloaded it from earth.

I think they've actually done some tests with satellites.

>>16127691
Israel has both NASA and Space Force

>>16127691
>>16127748
also NRO

>>16127682
EVA, obviously. You're not scared, are you?

>>16127711
agreed

>>16127710
>Is that pakistan?
retard

>>16127702
*uses space elevator to hang itself*

>>16127752
>>16127689
>>16127739
Why are you all lying to that anon when you can literally see the hole in the center

>>16127711
good cheese tho

>>16127758
>space elevator

>>16127759
how tf you go down from top floor you retard? where hole?

>>16127762
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKv6HVqSb_8

>>16127762
I sure am glad I don't live on the equator

Was there anyway this beauty could've been competitive? im saddened by its retirement

>>16127768
If you had watched the fucking interview then you wouldve seen additional graphics leading down from the top floor its just not in shot moron. Even then you can clearly see that the center of the top is hollow from that angle and OBVIOUSLY the bottom has its holes in view. You would have to be a top tier IDIOT not to realize the pattern of holes leading to the next section.

>>16127780
no

>>16127783
I'll pass on the tranny cage thanks

>>16127799
>gets called out for being a retard
>immediatly switches to calling it tranny when no counter argument

>>16127810
what floor are dilators at?

>>16127709
>more EDS seethe
not surprising it's AIslop desu.

>>16127783
why did you circle the bushes you have to climb through and then claim you don't have to climb through any bushes?

>>16127720
how mentally ill do you have to be to create weird obsessive anti-spacex AIslop and then pretend to like it in a different post?

>>16127702
“““She””” can take the first ride

>>16127722
>>16127720
Idk what you're talking about, I just thought it was cool.

>>16127838
>he thought his own EDS AIslop was cool
yeah, otherwise you probably wouldn't have made it, normal people think it's weird and obsessive though
>inb4 i was pretending to be retarded

What will be the first real pet (not livestock) on Mars? Will it be something unique or just hang on to the traditional pets? Pic unrel

>>16127852
cat

>>16127852
https://youtu.be/97xfV6yXcrk
cats obviously, they are the best pets.

>>16127780
It could have been competitive if the Delta IV line at Michoud had ever been able to work at something closer to full capacity. It was designed to roll out 40 D4 CBCs per year and the highest it ever manged was six. Full capacity would have put it in a position to compete on price with the Atlas V, but with the late 90s constellations all dead you need something else to bring in that business.

The best idea for that I've ever come across would be if NASA/Congress had decided to go with an EELV-based moon program instead of Constellation and the Ares 1/5. One lunar mission would have needed four Heavy launches to get its parts into orbit, and that would take 30% of Michoud's yearly capacity. Two moon missions a year plus a good domestic manifest of 4 government Medium launches and one NatSec Heavy would have the factory working at 75% capacity, which would start to bring costs into line with the original projections.

The remaining Delta capacity might still be more expensive than the Ariane 5 ECA, but Delta can do direct to GEO insertions which Ariane 5 can't. Commercial customers would be willing to pay a small premium for a rocket that can fly direct, so even if it's the most expensive launcher on the market it wouldn't be a complete pariah.

>>16127852
likely somebody decides to save one of the fish in the fish farm to keep as a pet. Sorry cats.

>>16127857
>The best idea for that I've ever come across would be if NASA/Congress had decided to go with an EELV-based moon program instead of Constellation and the Ares 1/5. One lunar mission would have needed four Heavy launches to get its parts into orbit, and that would take 30% of Michoud's yearly capacity.
good idea, but to be honest with you, i STILL don't understand why we're not just doing that exact thing with falcon 9/heavy
the amount of mass they could get into orbit and the low pricing would make for a comically cheap lunar program, even if slightly more complicated because everything has to be sent up in smaller chunks and can't fit on one rocket.

>>16127859
>implying the kot wouldn't pre-emptively eat all the fish on their journey to mars to prevent that from happening.

>>16127852
Besides niggers, what would the first pest be? Lice, bedbugs, roaches?

>>16127852
egg chickens are legally pets

>>16127865
Based
>>16127871
Likely some sort of bacteria that keeps fucking up the air systems or some parasite for the plants or fish that hitched a ride in their gills/gut/shit.

>>16127871
Feral quail.

>>16127852
Robo Catgirls

>>16127865
The fish are transported as eggs. I really can't see how you'd transport a cat to mars: We know they're only slightly better than snakes when it comes to microgravity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdRukUmNzB4

>>16127876
exceedingly likely that fungus will become the first issue.
i sincerely hope they make sure to keep good genetic diversity in their crops, otherwise a single good fungus could easily wipe out their food supply.
wouldn't be very easy to quarantine as well, considering spores travel through the smallest gaps and diseases like these generally only show their signs until it's far too late.

apple orchards traditionally had roses planted in or near them for this same reason btw, roses and apples are in the same family and susceptible to many of the same diseases, but roses show visual signs of fungal or bacterial infection far sooner, giving you some oppertunity to react.

>>16127879
You... you do know that Starships will utilize spin when going to Mars with people right? You cant just have debilitated colonists be what you transport to Mars and spend months trying to get them to regain bone density in low gravity.

>>16127878
>you will never instruct your robo kotwife to go outside the hab and collect roggs for you to study
>you will never pet her head while she gives off loud purrs while you're studying the roggs under a microscope
why even live?

>>16127678
>1g space habitat design

>>16127857
Here comes an even better idea.
A depot-based architecture using commercial rockets, which was F9/H and OIdspace™ back then.

>>16127886
Source?
As far as I know, Spacex does not intend to do this, neither does anybody else.

>>16127565
You don't need an abort system if you launch the crew on an F9/Dragon and transfer in orbit. Abort systems are useless more than a few minutes after launch anyhow.

>>16127864
It doesn't spend enough money in the right places. The only reason that Apollo got funded in the first place was because it used rockets built in Alabama, powered by engines destined and constructed in California, launching from a spaceport in Florida, with everything being run from a mission control center in Texas, and that was with the Soviets looming over everything. Just paying a few NASA research labs and commercial contractors to put together a lunar program on the cheap doesn't grease enough palms. In terms of mass lifted and missions flown Falcon 9's 2023 performance was dead on for what NASA was advertising that the Shuttle would do back in the late 70s. Congress canceled the lunar aspects of STS before anyone even had a chance to find out about the program's actual price tag.

>>16127887
YWNGTS. Youre just an autist who wants to live out his fantasies and isnt ready to work 16 hours a day for the colony.

>>16127890
Here you go
https://futurism.com/elon-musk-starship-spin-artificial-gravity

>>16127897
cool, but:
>a tiny gravity vector
I'm not sure this would help those cats. We'd still be looking at microgravity.

>>16127898
Theres a big fucking difference between 0G and moon gravity. As long as you can plant your feet on the ground its fine for animals.

>>16127852
The Clusters can be kept alive indefinitely if you don't over-harvest them. The perfect pet.

>>16127901
You sick fuck. And I said Mars, holy fuck I am never going to the Moon now.

>>16127903
This. You don't eat pets. None of you are touching my bananabug.

>>16127894
this is true
did you not read my post, retard?

>>16127900
>"that's it, you're going in the cat squisher!"

>>16127901
Anyone who wasn't here for this post should be banned from posting. Quality would massively improve. Newfags have ruined this place.

>>16127927
This general wouldve died if that were true

>>16127931
We managed just fine without you, thanks.

>>16127931
if the newfags never showed up the good posters would've never left

>>16127900
uhhh, the crew might get a bit dizzy.
We can just remove their inner ears, right?

>>16127936
I think it'll be fine for like, cats and chickens
humans are too tall for that radius

RTLS payload fairings

>>16127957
Pretty much this

Makes you wonder if Falcon 9 could a bigger payload fairing encapsulating the upper stage, kinda like Atlas V did

RTLS nuclear warheads

>supposed high altitude arrow intercept of an iranian ballistic missile
how likely is this to be real?

RTLS SRBs

>>16127971
don't know that we have high-quality footage of ballistic missile interception for comparison but it has the hallmarks of a fake (way too stable, camera fixed on the spot where something's about to happen).

>>16127961
Yeah idk about that one hahah

>>16127971
explosion remains in the same position relative to the clouds when it should be moving, since it is clearly supposed to be exo-atmospheric.

it's fake.

>>16127971
It’s probably real, other two replies are schizo

Nothing happened, again...

Shuttle SRBs were designed for 20 reuses. Not sure if they ever reached that number or not.

>>16127994
Shuttle SRBs on a Falcon core

>>16127903
The lunar tunnels run deep man

>>16127996
About 45 tons to LEO, 20 tons to GTO, and 16 tons to TLI. Not quite as good as a standard Falcon Heavy, but that's not that surprising since a Shuttle SRB doesn't weigh all that much more than a Falcon 9 first stage and solids have got significantly worse efficiency

>>16127971
This particular shot was filmed at multiple angles by different people, so I'm pretty sure it's real.

>>16127671
Some Russian guy has been building a transport agnostic (works with IPFS or dead drops or UUCP over direct laser link or whatever) called NNCP. It works as a transport for files and anything that needs a spool (mail, Usenet, even print jobs if you're crazy enough). It's almost certainly going to be useful for interplanetary comms.

why did they never make an extended faring for falcon? especailly when starlink is volume limited.

>>16128019
they are

>Russian geosynchronous SIGINT eavesdropping satellite LUCH/OLYMP 2 relocated from 2.7 E to 4.7 E, starting March 27 and completed by April 2, and is now close to ASTRA 4A.
https://x.com/Marco_Langbroek/status/1779268451032236246

>Astra 4A is one of the Astra communications satellites owned and operated by SES at the Astra 5°E orbital slot providing digital television and radio broadcasts, data, and interactive services to Nordic countries, eastern Europe and sub-Saharan Africa in the 11.70 GHz-12.75 GHz range of the Ku band and 18.8 GHz-21.75 GHz range of the Ka band.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astra_4A

>>16127751
>>16127748
why even bother making a comment like this when you could talk about Israel's own space assets? don't understand gay lazy comments like this. do they just make you feel clever and smug?

>>16127747
neat

>>16127691
>Israel
https://space.skyrocket.de/directories/sat_c_israel.htm

>Iran
https://space.skyrocket.de/directories/sat_c_iran.htm

>>16127709
These are pretty funny don't listen to the autist who can't take a joke.

>>16127936
where is this from?

>>16128021
taken their sweet time. They are moving at BO pace with that, I swear its been over half a decade

>>16127971
two more views of the supposed intercept, but no hard proof yet

>>16128058

>>16128052
I'd find it funnier if he wasn't spamming it. literally a forced meme at this point

>>16128057
It’s not that easy in fairingextensionry

>>16128059
Holy shit. Nice. It looks like it tumbled before it exploded?

>>16127971
is there any reason to believe it would be particularly challenging to intercept a ballistic missile (not a MIRV or something)
I was under the impression that the difficulty arises via saturation and the reality that a single warhead getting through can be catastrophic, and that ballistic missiles aren't often lobbed so the opportunities for a real world hostile interception don't come up often
isn't the whole point/problem of ballistic trajectories that they are quite predictable and regular?

LATEST COMMON SNEED DROP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KRwgwacx1Y

>>16128019

I miss cost plus content but I'm glad he's working on an actual degree

>>16128019
>starlink is volume limited
it's not.
that's proven by them adding or subtracting a satellite depending on trajectory

So boring at Starbase right now... in that long gap between static fires and WDR where not much interesting happens and its just pad upgrades and miscellaneous moving of rings.

>>16128065
>is there any reason to believe it would be particularly challenging to intercept a ballistic missile (not a MIRV or something)
probably not. ballistic intercept tests have been a regular thing for decades. we just havent seen them in a real world combat situation until oct 7.

>>16128055
spincalc

>>16128073
that was my impression which was why I was confused that people seem quick to assume the footage is faked. thought I might be mistaken in some fashion. probably just tribalism then

>>16128068
THAT SHIT LOOKS RETARDED BRO, WHY ARE THEY DRAWING STARS ON THE FLOOR WITH BLUE TAPE, THEY MUST BE SO BORED.

>>16128057
The first payload that's going to need it is Gateway and that's dragging its own heels. Commercial customers don't need it so rushing it out would be spending a lot for something you need to spend a lot of money storing.

>>16128065
The hard part is calculating the ballistic missiles path and having an interceptor capable of getting to where the missile will be at the right time.

>>16127702
space travel is a big part of the tranny fantasy life thats been dictated to them by hollywood scyence fiction movies

>>16128074
wooo I used it to confirm some napkin math I did last year and I was happily within the comfort zone

>>16127886
this, they will spend all but the first couple of days/last couple of days of the cruise to Mars at .38g so when they get there they are fully acclimated

>>16128087
Would you shut up about søylent? Oh my god you sharty fags are insufferable.

>>16127888
retarded overkill and waste of structural mass for no good reason but "muh Earth gravity", .15g /.38g are the sweet spots for provided artificial gravity in any moon or Mars associated space habitats

>>16128112
You only get natural gains once you’re rocking >1g

>>16128112
No, I mean that the interior of that space station is laid out for use in 1g even though it would actually be inhabited in microgravity. There's a designated floor, and a designated ceiling with lights. The equipment is all on the "walls" perpendicular to the designated floor and ceiling. In this space station everything is laid out as though there is a natural "up" and "down" but that doesn't make sense in space.

>>16128115
just build gainz stations bro with 3g

>>16127994
They break it up into segments and reuse whichever ones.

can anyboo explain how we wnt from 150 t to 40 t in 8 tears of development?

>>16128120
true and I can not explain it except the designer thought this is the best layout, probably is to get it "sold"

>>16128136
I think the designer was in fact a filthy earther

>>16127871
We all carry microflora and -fuana with us. The diversity and distribution of those species varies depending on where you live on earth. It's way out of my field, but I wonder what/if studies have been done on how to manage our microbiomes in a Martian biosphere with only intermittent and indirect contact with Earth.
As far as useful microbes go, there are others we'd want to bring along too, like yeast, and probably some nitrogen fixers for farms if we decide to try out soils in the domes instead of hydroponics.

>>16128120
>In this space station everything is laid out as though there is a natural "up" and "down" but that doesn't make sense in space.
It makes sense in the rotating frame of reference of the station.

>>16128139
Fail

>>16128145
If they mean to spin it to create artificial gravity, then it's still laid out completely wrong. But the other images suggest that this thing doesn't spin at all and the centrifuge is a small part of it one one end.

Why even have "decks" in this thing? All the equipment is in the "walls", the "deck" only exists to be walked on which you can't do in this because even if you spun it the "decks" wouldn't be the floors.

>>16128131
Cylinder 114 I kneel

>>16128154
and while we're at it, why do single story buildings have multiple rooms? it's not like you can walk on the walls

Based fisherman boomer mexicans ramming a fairing with their boat.
https://twitter.com/Frontera360/status/1779133381239885878

>>16128154
in microgravity, every surface becomes useful storage/working space. floors/ceilings don't need to exist. Those "decks" will likely just be more "wall" space, and in that way they're extremely useful.

>>16128139
Success

>>16128152
Humans work better with walls and a floor. Even the ISS is laid out this way.

>>16128164
but the 'floor' on the iss isn't a wasted surface.

>>16127762
I would gladly trade the lives of 3 billion Earthers (I get to pick which ones) for one space elevator. In fact, forget the space elevator!

>>16127852
women

>>16128168
It's more fun if you make the Earthers choose among themselves

Starship should boost the ISS into a graveyard orbit above the Van Allen belts where it will become the Permanent International Space Station (PISS).

>>16128169
>not livestock

Reminder about the schizo who was insisting that gravity loss isn't real and more thrust doesn't get you anything.

>>16128177
I remember something about gravity loss not being real but only when you're descending. Was that him?

>>16128177
He was right

>>16128174
Boost it into an orbit that no one else can reach. Like a bully holding someone's glasses up so they can't get them back

>>16128174
park it in a high enough "storage" orbit so it won't come down for centuries and then do what you want with it later

>>16128175
How embarrassing. Thank you for correcting my oversight.

>>16128174
fuck that, let's chop it up and put it in the smithsonian

If, for some reason, 4chan was shutdown tomorrow, where would /sfg/ go?

>>16128182
Need a High Energy rocket for that (not starship)

>>16128200
Probably discord since pre-existing communities are already on there like RGV Aerial, Ringwatchers, etc.

>>16128200
It sounds like you know something we don't anon.

>>16128174
We should do this and try to make it into a self sustaining ecosystem before we leave, like an orbital terrarium. Keep cams on board and see how long the ecosystem lasts

>>16128207
or, we can leave a line of HeLa cells onboard along with every virus known to man and allow either a supervirus to be made and come crashing down to earth after X centuries, OR it would make the infestation from warframe

>>16128206
no, but with the lawsuits and email reg on /biz/ I'm starting to get nervous.

>>16128175
Based

>>16128217
>>>/biz/raelis are the only ones that will get that system because money is involved and that means possible liability or other bullshit on their end. the rest of us will be fine and wont get the system because we are a more manageable board at lower pph, no real liabilities, etc. (although this janigger cant do his job correctly and is associated with favoritism). though if mandatory namefagging or emails does for whatever reason become a thing not many people will stay and i think they know that, but /biz/ is an outlier.

>>16128217
>lawsuits and email reg on /biz/
What the fuck is going on?

how do you feel about BRICS?

>>16128223
>>>/biz/58388587
Lawsuit is to do with a recent shooting and spreading extremism. Defense cocked it up.

>>16128230
Theres a bunch of other social media companies involved, I really doubt anything happens other than a large fine and super ramped up moderation (which we REALLY need here right now).
>inb4 glowies get access to ur info
They already do.

>>16128236

>>16128238
Anons filed a motion? I wouldn't rely on the fags here to buy groceries.

>>16128240
No you retard 4chan the company. Do you think that everyone here collectively runs 4chan? What???

anyone else remember how the Zionists tried killing Roswell whilst he was at war with Hitler

spaceflight?

>>16128240
How's it going

It's been around half a year since he became CEO... has anything actually changed?

is going good 7 RESISTANCE fronts have pushed Isreal out of the middle east ARE DESTROYING ISIS and making the CIA and America Look very fucking bad on a global stage

>>16128226
Brazil and India joining the Artemis Accords, a No Chinks in Space club, means the concept is dead.

>>16128247
Just report and ignore, hes not on this board to actually engage as all namefags are.

>>16128252
literally who

everytime you say chink another missle hits an Isreali settlement turns dipsticks into jam spread
besides that your 40 year old man that calls yourself blue catgirl spaceforce how many glass dicks did you suck to end up friends with Epsteins and co.

>>16128256
David Limp? CEO of BO?

go back to wechat

>>16128257
wait, by saying chink I can piss off Chinamen AND get Israeli settlers killed?!?!?

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>>16128259
I just checked the /sci/ archive, this is that namefags literal first posts on /sci/ and he only posted here.

Oh I see we're being raided. From what board and why us instead of literally anywhere else on /sci/?

so wen hop?

>>16128258
never heard of them. what orbital rockets are they launching? or do they have any satellites in orbit?

>>16128264
Never. Hops are over

How does this make you feel, dystopian Westoids

>>16128265
they uh, won the second HLS contract?

>>16128264
could you not post your ai slop? her head is phasing through the glass, you cant unzip an eva like that, she cant breathe when theres no atmosphere and her eyes would be popping out of their sockets, theres too many dots on the american flag and too many lines, and you cant roll up your sleeves like that. fucking awful art and an ugly fake bitch too.

>>16128271
there's always one of you whining and shitting your pants. dont you ever get tired? lol

>>16128272
make ai art that makes sense and isnt coomer bait and i wont complain.

>>16128273
here ya go, an AI designed proonted aerospike

>>16128273
Just because youre sexually frustrated doesnt mean we need to cater to you

>>16128275
now THIS is something id goon to

notice that slop posters post useless posts with non content just so that they can attach an AI image of boobies to it
literally just a devolved form of is coffee good for you

Lets get this thread back on track

kino

>>16128279
oh wow youre right. my pattern recognition skills are too low level as of late... will keep an eye out in the future
>>16128280
>another thread ruined
not like there was much left anyways
>16128281
dont ask what it is, its offtopic russia war seethe.

>>16128275
Is topology optimisation AI?

>>16128281
wtf is this

>>16128272
>generate and post a bunch of trash
>people complain
>why are they so mean to me :(
fuck off

>>16128284
white phosphorous, presumably
could possibly be other forms of incendiary weapons (some form of engineered slow burning thermite or something idk)

>>16128285
You should talk to women my friend

>>16127678
wouldn't the centrifuge mess with keeping the entire spacecraft rotating as to keep it in the same orientation relative to Earth

>>16127762
you sure the rope wouldn't just get destroyed in reentry?

>>16127852
let's first try breeding some bugs in space before bringing in dogs

>>16128302
We're not gonna eat your fucking bugs Schwab. Get over it.

>>16128302
I think the Chinese are a long way from experiments in Martian pregnancy and childbirth but idk

>>16128302
I'd be surprised if anything other than mammalian live birth had gestation issues in space

Spinhabs: aren’t there a number of serious practical concerns once you go beyond a certain size? Firstly, how would one transfer from a spoke to the central axel, unless you constantly rotate the axel as well? Secondly and more importantly, how do you maintain integrity and an even rotation and avoid tumbling and chaotic rotation when mass will inevitably be irregularly distributed along the interior of the wheel? What happens if that irregularity becomes quite significant and concentrated? Could the Dzhanibekov effect cause tumbling?

>>16128087
>muh soiyence is going to invent friendly robots because i'm incapable of forming genuine friendships with real humans as a result of my own repulsive personality
>muh soiyence is going to invent immortality because i'm incapable of even considering raising a family because i'm too selfish to ever care for anyone other than myself
>and muh soiyence is going to invent interstellar space travel because i'm so massively entitled that i feel that the entirely of the earth isn't enough to satisfy my cravings for amusement
this is what trannys actually believe
and they're so dumb that they couldn't think it up themselves, the ideas were all implanted in their vapid brains by goyslop television

>>16128317
I don't think you'd really care about tumbling as long as the primary axis always has much more significant spin. The human brain/ear can probably account for most of it.

>>16128333
Regular and periodic tumbling sure, but what about chaotic or even just irregular tumbling? What if the rate of tumbling shifts? And why wouldn’t it since the density of the ring will be constantly shifting. And any amount of tumbling would make docking that much more difficult

>>16128338
You can keep the mass stable around the ring of a large station by having separated tanks of water around the outside that you pump water actively between as people move around. Going to need shielding anyway.

Hell you wouldn't even need to pump the water, if you made it so that people moved through the station anti-spinwards generally you could just use coriolis force to shift the water mass with a simple valve for most of the time.

>>16128342
That’s not a bad idea. I was thinking that actually just making the ring itself very massive/dense would help by making the fluctuations a lesser percentage of the total mass. I’m genuinely curious about this because these seem like very practical engineering problems but I’ve never seen them really talked about in spinhab conversations

>>16128349
Yeah that's the final solution is a habitat so massive that the mass of people and equipment moving is inconsequential but that's a ways off yet.

>>16128319
Get a grip

muh soiyence is a massive obsession gigantic exploding dicks, trying to hide the fact that im hiding in a closet and your mums bagel joined the match, muh soiyence is creating your mum through a test tube to clone her voluptuos shape so doritos can get there dance on inside her scientific chamber of commerce and your grandad souyentifically had a bagel waffel not a even halfway to aquiring a cheerio state now he looks down and frowns because the cheesburger roll blocks the veiw of the even more sad peanut but ah he realises he has bagel so now he constructs souyentifically new ways to fill the bagel and if he cant get it he will fly to destination unkown which is now known as epstein and nickelodeon Pdiddys lair so now they souyentific commooniteeeeeeeeeeeeeees
of the westoip epidemic have slowly detiroated from the UVs of the big burning ball in the fucking sky and continue screaming at an international BRIC wall and those g6 urrrrr i mean g7 uuurrrrrrrrrrrr i mean g8 pricks still realise there cheeseburgers scrolls over take there non perception of the peanut thus creating a bagel to fill dillemma

>>16128386
Kek musk is finished after this

>>16128386
>>16128355

i heard Jacob rothschild had a heartattack like lizardbeth lets start a global celebration so they fucking tards can turn back into a bunch of Daleks and try and westoid the world, didnt work very good for ISNTREAL did it?

>>16128410
Kek muskrats seething

>>16128386
Seek help

>>16128160
Looks like they dented it

Did so someone advertise /sfg/ somewhere? There has been substantially more completely spacedlight unrelated shitposting lately
Could be organic due to musks starship presentation and thus general interest but idk

>>16128519
That has been the case for years. We have some subhumans here that regularly advertise these threads on /pol/ and /k/

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1779420253594046743

Lol musk is frogposting, based

>>16128521
Yeah that happens from time to time but lately it has been increased in frequency

>>16128515

>>16128519
There’s a fag shilling it literally weekly on /k/, but I think there must be a fag shilling it on /pol/. The Trump OP was such a total know nothing faggot, I assume he’s constantly talking about us on /pol/.

>>16128548
>SpaceX ninjas on their way to whip your ass
¿Qué hacer?

There really should be a few jail cells / time out zones in there. I wouldn't want to be trapped in there with a serial shidder like that last lot.

>>16128548
Claim compensation for recovering a derelict vessel. Yoink.

>>16128072
keep in mind that 5 years ago, something happening every 3 months across all of spaceflight was considered a busy time.
we've been spoiled.

>>16128072
Watch Starbase flyovers. There's cool stuff happening behind the scenes

>>16128559
its a bit much having the logo plastered all over their suits like that. not classy.

>>16128650
They want you to know which clan performed the hit. I guess that means they're not actually very sneaky but it is good advertising.

https://twitter.com/jasonjoyride/status/1772000990495158659?

only now started to listen to this, there is a section starting around 23:20 min where he talks about first principles thinking and how mus applied it to falcon 9 and then at 24:30 starts to shit talk SLS and conways law (not garfields like he says)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law
>[O]rganizations which design systems (in the broad sense used here) are constrained to produce designs which are copies of the communication structures of these organizations.

>>16128733
The only Australian who can into space - but, crucially, not spaceflight

>>16128317
why the fuck would you tumble from the dzhanibekov effect? Reddit popsoi and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

grim

>>16128736
Isn't Casey British?

>>16128770
No ESLoid

>>16128750
now do it by man-hours in space.

>>16127852
Cats are built for space

>>16128557
>fag shilling it literally weekly on /k/,
Fuck that's worse than /pol/. So that's why any time Russia gets brought up in some spaceflight related way we get constant seething

>>16128750
/sfg/ hates on shuttle, but look at all that blue.

>>16128750
I miss the 90s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZC65Q3F_Mk
>Warp Drives: New Simulations

there's been 2 or 3 more videos of the supposed high altitude/space intercept, which confirms the earlier videos. the intercept also looks similar to other high altitude explosions (e.g. SM-3 https://youtu.be/PbQTeBeIMGc?t=39 ), so its probably real after all. was it in space though (>= 80km)? we may never get confirmation.

>>16128786
Looks to me like cats are too retarded to handle space

>>16128846
YWNGFTL

>>16128775
What?

>>16128863
you'd be fucked up too if someone threw you in 0g without warning. give them a few hours to acclimate and I'm sure they'd do fine

>>16128877
Shotwell believes, therefore I believe.

>>16128877
Based special relativity observer

>>16128792
no, I've been here since 2018

>>16128885
they do not have brains only instincts and their instincts are self-defeating
dogs will be much better

>>16128891
are you the plaid man

>>16128891
Could you please not shill us on /k/? Or really anywhere?

>>16128894
no
>>16128902
I'm explaining the seething hatred for the asiatic russoids, not the shilling

>>16128904
Ah ok. If youre not shilling then Ive got no problem with russian hatred, carry on.

>>16128885
Cats seems to perceive 0g as if they were constantly falling upside down: hence the constant rolling. We don't know how they'll act after extended periods of time in 0g, but some animals just can't cope. Snakes seem to lose proprioception in 0g for some reason and try to kill themselves.
>>16128893
retard

>>16128846
Tape outgassing wormhole drive… aka the tapeworm drive

>>16127678
Science deck Science deck
Put a deck in there for science yeah they'll love that

>>16128862
This could be at 30,000’ and I’d still find it interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxKCumZ8z8U
>Starship's Much Anticipated Flight 4 Is On The Horizon! - SpaceX Weekly #110

>>16128750
The problem isn't SpaceX bottleneck but rather contractual framework. SpaceX can double or triple human launch to ISS but there's no contract

>>16128942
Or purpose either. Once CSS companies start really getting up there in the later 2020s the numbers of the 1960s will look absolutely puny.

>>16128929
Thanks, you too

>>16128862
>>16128937
the claim is that arrow 3 can intercept stuff at >100km altitudes so actually being in space is within the realm of possibility

How does one become a spacecraft mechanic? Does such a position exist?
What degree (if any) do I need?
>be me, 13
>cadet in Civil Air Patrol
>get to tour a local boeing facility
>get to go inside the clean room
>watch some dudes working on the multi-billion dollar Staliner capsule listening to country music out of a shitty old FM radio
How do I do that? Do I need to go to school for AE or are there trade schools available?
I wish I asked them all those years ago.

>>16128972
don't have anything actually helpful but having military experience and a security clearance will always be a big plus on the resume for something like that

Does anyone remember relativity?
The gov just paid them millions for research.
Proonters may win in the end.

>>16128982
they printing rockets at a speed of 1 per day which utterly destroys spacex so yeah

GET THE FUCK IN HERE!!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KRwgwacx1Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KRwgwacx1Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KRwgwacx1Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KRwgwacx1Y

>>16128985
isnt this the guy that fundamentally doesnt undeestand what an orbit is?

>>16128990
just report and ignore, anon

>>16128995
This, and for advertising/begging

>>16128985
buy an ad retard

>>16129000
Stop giving him (You)s retard

>>16128990
>>16128995
>>16128998
>>16129000
Announcing a report

>>16128990
yes among other things

>>16129003
>>16129003

>>16127961

>>16128786

>>16129020
Thats just a cat lying down in a bathtub you cant fool me

>>16129020
*opens faucet*

>>16128929
You seem like a huge faggot every time you post this

>>16129053
Or you could say he's Max Faget.

From Bolt Spotters
>What's the Hardware Status of Starship Version 2?
https://ringwatchers.com/article/v2-ship-apr-2024

>>16129067
Why are you not able to say Ringwatchers hm?

>>16129091
Barrel Noticers, if you prefer.

>>16129003
lmao

>>16128907
>Snakes seem to lose proprioception in 0g for some reason and try to kill themselves.
Tony Burno confirmed for earther

>>16128972
AE/EE/ME basically required (AE specifically if you intend to actually work on the craft, not the parts -- fabricators don't necessarily even need a degree if you're good)
US citizenship required
An internship generally the only way to get in unless it's a startup -- LockMart/Boeing/Maxar/JPL/APL/Ball/SpaceX/NG are generally the entire list of manufacturers doing whole craft and not just parts or assemblies

>>16129098
lmao gottem what a tool
I hope they get the youtube spammer too but it doesn't seem likely

>>16129020
OH MY GOD IS THAT A CAT FLOATING IN THIN AIR? The cosmic HORROR! I can't describe it! Its Indescribable! SAVE ME NIGGERMAN

Angara launch revived the Russian space industry after the loss of confidence due to the Luna-25 failure. So much state (propaganda?) pushing the story in russian media.

>>16129113
I hate Europe

>>16129097
>barrel noticers

>>16129113
great, guess there's no need for a luna 26 then

starship elevator sucks for the moon
I said it

>>16129135
elevators dont even work in space, the fact they have one is a laugable example of how musk oesnt take it seriously.

>>16129135
It should be a huge foldable ramp. Have some style when you step onto a new world.

>>16129135
How else are you gonna get down

Bros... Im hoping /sci/ isnt a 'boards like /biz/'...

Tbf it probably isnt, this board is about the furthest you can get from that.

>>16129135
if you watch thunderf00t youd know it aint gonna happen like that

>>16129193
Stop ban evading.

>>16129194
Watch this https://youtu.be/F3JTafTEDv0 and >>16128985

>>16129192
/sci/ is slow and mostly on topic. so the email thing wont come to us. but what does piss me off is how they quietly got ride of the "unique posters" stat in the bottom right. No reason to get rid of it, but they did anyway without mentioning it, in a way that helps no one but spam bots and shills. gookmoot isnt doing his best. hes up to something

>>16129203
how would one increase 4chan pass subscriptions? make it near impossible to use the website otherwise. expect account creation soon, even worse captchas

>>16129203
Yeah we probably wont get it but my worry is that /pol/ or /x/ or some other cancerous and hyper active board gets it and we get flooded with refugees. /bant/ seems to have gotten flooded with immigrants from /biz/ when I was checking out the damage so hopefully most of the refuse goes to those boards but still looking bleak since it says 'boards like'...
>>16129206
If you use 4chan pass then they still get your info. Sucks all around.

>>16129192
Literally all they had to to do was add flags so that we could identify disgusting poojeets. It's obviously part of a glowop and is going to be coming to the rest of 4chan soon. It's going to kill the site though, no one is going to verify a throwaway every 24 fucking hours just to shitpost and I assume if your IP changes during that time you have to do it again

Finally I will be free.

>>16129217
>admitting to being a refugee
sir if you have no interest in spaceflight please go back to the rest of /sci/

>>16129223
nta but I'm a reddit refugee from r/the_donald

>>16129223
>you have other interests and post on other boards, therefore you aren't an authentic spaceflight otaku like me

just watched dune 2, what a disappointment
made retarded changes, pacing is off in the second half and they cut important characters
didn't even mention the spacing guild at all
the script was a mess, some of the dialogue felt really trite (probably fan fiction)
all in all very disappointing
walken seemed to phone it in

>>16129223
Do you use no other boards anon? Because most of us do.

>>16129186
fireman's pole

>>16129241
that's how I felt about part 1.

>>16129241
the lynch version was way more fun

>>16129245
Nope. Used to until a year ago, but most of them were cancer. College life swallowed me up whole also so focusing on good grades as well as spaceflight being my passion and sole focus in life means I ended up here only using this board and this general since it fits my life so well. I use other websites for things like vidyas or TV but spaceflight is niche so I come here for that.

>>16129259
For the record Im a junior ME

>>16129259
>>16129262
No one cares about your blog life story go away newfag

>>16129264
You asked fag.

>>16129265
It's a yes or no question not an invitation to post your life story, now fuck off newfag

>>16129264
Shut up, I care

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1779643648520692177

>>16129266
Dont ask a question you dont want the answer to.

>>16129259
>>16129262
>>16129264
>>16129265
>>16129266
>>16129268
>>16129271
all me by the way

>>16129272
Why are you seething over someone answering your question?

Spaceflight?

>>16129276
Actually, it's space flight.

>>16129279
That's not a word

>>16129285
Yup, two words.

>>16129276
Our normal operating hours are Monday thru Friday from 9 am to 5 pm Central Standard time. Please call back during these hours.

>>16129269
>Berger used to work for SpaceNews
It's a very small world

>>16129294
That's Brian Berger you dumb retard

>>16129295
Brian Berger is his mom

>>16129276
I remade this meme just now because I lost the old one

>>16129269
>dogedesigner
i have that faggot blocked. elon tries to exclusively respond to the most annoying fags on the whole site including that larping malaysian nigger

>>16128750
Almost every manned launch by the US in the 90s was a complete waste. Shuttle REQUIRING human pilots was moronic and increased costs absurdly. And lead to deaths.

>>16129299

>>16129192
Hope they add it to /pol/ and /x/

https://voca.ro/15R0DVIp3rN2

>>16129323
See >>16129209

>>16129335
Yeah but it would be funny and disastrous in a dramatic fashion which is better than the boring shit that had led to 4chans decline like a subreddit being nuked and not moderating the third world boards

Testicles

Nothing ever happens

>>16128733
Holy shit he’s even more autistic than musk. No eye contact, almost no expressions and head movement, just mile a minute rambling and ranting about whatever pops into his head. I like him more now

So whats got you remaining anons still kicking around here at the most boring time between Starship launches?

>>16129442
I like discussing practical engineering problems on one hand and on the other I find this is the best way to be informed of the widest possible range of spaceflight happenings. I hate reddit twitter and forumfaggotry so

>>16129449
Hey same except I use twitter for hyper obsessive Starship tracking

>>16129433
He's significantly less autistic. You can tell he's actually socially competent.

>>16129456
Elon is like a fucking robot I don't think he's added new sentence to his list of sentences in 2 years. He says the same shit over and over.
At least Casey seems like a real person.

>>16129462
zubrin is even worse, literally every speech he's given on Mars colonization in the past 40 tears uses the same phrases, stories and analogies, often in the same order even with the exact same cadence

>>16129462
when he is asked the same question over and over, he goes on autopilot and gives the same answer

>>16128131
wtf I thought the SLS SRBs were new even if the design is still the old one, didn't know these are actually remanufactured ones like the engines. That's pretty neat.

>>16128236
/v/ needs it as badly as /biz/, kek.

>>16129473
Anon most of the catchphrases he keeps repeating he brings up unprompted

>>16129482
!

>>16128877
FTL already exists in the universe in multiple forms. It's only a matter of time until we figure out how to harness it for our own benefit

>>16129485
Oh really? Name one then. Relative motion FTL doesnt count.

>>16129488
or one that's caused by curved travel paths.

>>16129488
Scharnhorst effect, size of the universe compared to age, quantum entanglement.

>>16129442
loyalty to the general, simple as

>>16129482
Not really

>>16129472
that's how almost everyone on the professional speaker circuit is and it's hardly unique to elon or zubrin. you refine your material over years and learn which lines work the crowd and unless you have an online fanbase that wants to watch you speak multiple times it's all good.

>>16129492
>not experimentally verified
>not matter travelling ftl
>no way to use to send messages ftl
your dreams of muh warp drive are dead in the water

We can beat FTL information exchange by teaching people to astral project messages

>>16129499
big if true

What qualities do you like in an /sfg/ poster so that I may become a better one for the general?

>>16129499
In the near future there will be dedicated comms officers with overclocked neuralinks who climb into sensory deprivation tanks and talk to eachother

>>16129497
Irrelevant. It shows that the speed of light is not a hard limit. If it bleeds, we can kill it.

>>16129503
Don’t just snag photos you see on your twitter timeline and post them here as if you’re being original. Not calling you out specifically, but I see way too much of this shit on /sfg/ these days.
This is just my opinion… I think it’s perfectly fine to post important Musk, Berger, Foust, etc stuff. But when you see someone’s OC on twitter and post it here passing it off as your own it’s fucking gay. Most of us also use twitter and we have all seen the same shit you have. We know you’re just ripping twitter content for (you)s

>>16129509
If Im reposting stuff from twitter I always link the tweet and am just sharing it because I think its interesting/worthy of discussion. This is stuff like that recent new satellite platform or some significant Starbase development. Should I be doing less of that then? I dont pretend like its mine and usually just use it as a conversation starter, I do the same with youtube videos when I occasionally find something new on there like that recent Angry interview that this thread was made about.

>>16129492
truer void by prohibiting virtual particles; not FTL, not movement, not movement

>>16129503
being funny and being a legit industry insider are the two qualities i most envy in posters, but they're not stuff just anyone can pull off. failing that, there's always the option of finding interesting stuff that hasn't been discussed to death a thousand times. that may require reading books.

>>16129514
No you’re fine I was just being a bit of a diva. I appreciate links to interesting posts.

>>16128792
You must be the "/k/ope tranny" poster

>>16129522
ok so nta but iata, funny story on that. one person initially said /k/ope tranny a couple months ago. i picked up on that guy who legitimatelly hated /k/ommandos and have been using that to get (you)s from you /k/ posters ever since.

>>16129524
Okay this is actually funny lol

>>16128862
hmm, speaking of SM-3, apparently they were used for the first time in combat to shoot down iranian ballistic missiles:

>A pair of U.S. Navy Arleigh Burke class destroyers in the Eastern Mediterranean Sea were reportedly among the assets employed to shoot down Iranian missiles and drones headed toward Israel last night.
>There are strong signs these ships may have fired Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) anti-missile interceptors in the course of those operations, which would mark the first use of those weapons against real incoming threats.
https://www.twz.com/news-features/signs-point-to-combat-debut-navys-sm-3-interceptor-against-iranian-ballistic-missiles

>>16129503
Bring interesting news to the table, bring interesting engineering or economic questions to the table, be able to answer or solve at least trivial engineering and/or economic questions or problems, or have otherwise novel information about shit like agricultural ecology, pr00ntfaggotry, solar or nuclear energy, etc.

The easiest thing you can do to be a great poster is post about spaceflight happenings, companies, contracts, missions etc etc that are outside the narrow spacex/nasa focus of the average anon.

>>16129524
>iata
Wtf is this new reddit acronym?

>>16129533
Ok I do the second half all the time and Im currently working on the first half by getting my degree and self research on Martian colonization strategies so it looks like I'm on my way
>>16129520
I unfortunately cant be an industry insider but I have gotten a few keks. Will start reading then.

>>16129537
probably "I am the asshole", and yes it is very rebbit

>>16129538
What’s your degree in? I’m doing civil because my cunt cannot into spaceflight and I don’t really want to move to the states
>inb4 a spaceflight program in your country
Not happening, will never happen.

>>16129524
Based
>t. /k/ommando

>>16129537
i am that anon duh. nta means not that anon so iata should be pretty obvious. if you hate it so much that you call it reddit then i will never use it again
>>16129539
no its not read above but i get the point and wont use it

>>16129541
Mechanical engineering but I'm taking aerospace courses like Aerostructures, Orbital Mechanics, Acoustics, etc.

would you have preferred i said ita? thinking it meant 'i am the asshole' before 'i am that anon' says more about you than me also.

How about you type your sentences out completely and stop being a nigger.

>>16129552
Based. Good luck anon

you yourself typed wtf, hypocrite.

Remember when normies discovered RUD during IFT-1 and EDS kicked in and they bitched about musk using fake phrases to hide how catastrophic spacex was exploding or whatever

Remember that time I made up fake shit and that time is right now.

>>16128940
Launch on May 4th

>>16129573
t. Tory Bruno

>>16129576
Kek

>>16129576
>>16129573
Lul

all of the moon landing tech i feel like i more or less understand, but it still blows my mind that guidance systems made of 1960s (and sometimes 1950s) analog computers could pick out individual stars in the sky for orientation.

>>16129442
I'm just too retarded to modify my behavior in response to the change in environment

Ded

>>16129576
Hearty kek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j38kKESycFU

>>16129442
daydreaming about making a spaceflight game or Minecraft mod or watching replays of flight 3

>>16129442
touching grass
if I wasn't "working", I would not be talking to you right now

>>16129442
I'm working with AI slop today, trying to make something nice for /sfg/ but havent got anything yet

>>16129668
We already told you that nobody wants to see your low effort ai spam. Fuck off already.

>>16129669
I'm cooking something really good though! I haven't actually posted anything yet. but I will be posting soon

>>16129633
I’ve drafted a few tabletop space games but I can’t really get something that is satisfying to play but feels at least adjacent to real life

>>16129442
Lurking during crunch time. I'll start trawling through NTRS for funposts again once I get some more time.

>>16129672
don't let him bother you anon, i've been hoping somebody else would jump in this whole time.
>>16129669
my "spam" has been a grand total of 5 posts (including this one) about the songs spanning the last 4 threads. how many posts have you made crying about them?

>>16129669
Seething artcels are far worse than AI niggers. Shut the fuck up.

>>16129587
If it helps, realize nearly all of modern computing was already designed in the 60s

One of the neat tricks though was offloading all the computing to the ground, because the computers necessary for the moon mission trajectory were multiple tons and took up entire building floors. The capsule basically ran control algorithms and an extremely detailed timetable

>>16129514
Do more of that

>>16129442
This general is my main source of space related news.

>>16129844
Same, I kinda just skim through these threads when they're almost full or archived and see if anything interesting is happening (no)

I'm sorry but starship is an utter joke if it can only do 40T.

>>16129904
your tiles, sir?

https://spacenews.com/nasa-document-outlines-selection-of-lunar-rover-companies/

https://sam.gov/opp/68c8ce37ec2d40689a7335d5dbf1f6eb/view
there is a link here to download a 19 page source selection document pdf

> The document confirmed listings in procurement databases that nine companies submitted LTV proposals. The statement said that NASA deemed three proposals, from automotive technology company 3Sixty Degrees, space robotics company GITAI and a company identified only as ORBIT, as unacceptable and were not evaluated.
>The evaluation then ruled out proposals from Astrobotic, Blue Origin and Leidos, but did not specify why those proposals failed to make the cut. Astrobotic and Blue Origin had not disclosed plans to compete for an LTV contract, but Leidos did announce its plans a year ago, working with partners that included racing company NASCAR.