/sci/ - Science & Math

old: starship is the next n1
new: starship is the next scout

woke: Astra
broke: Astra

How will the internet work on Mars? How will it connect to Earth?

space is gay

>>16116311
everything the same just have to set connection timeout as being much larger

>>16116310
needs 3 more vacuum engines

>>16116302
In 20 years, Starship will be so long it won't need to launch to reach the moon.

>>16116311
>How will the internet work on Mars?
Starlink and hab LANs
> How will it connect to Earth?
Mostly it won't. Store-and-forward DTN batch protocols riding lasers will act more like UUCP than the Internet.

>>16116302
Won't it being so much longer fuck up the flop that they already practiced?

1/10 OP. Atleast its space related unlike the broccoli early stager

> /sfg/ still hyping a spacecraft taht can only launch starlinks

If you really someone is going to mars this century youre a retard or 12 yo

I hate spaceflight

>>16116338
yeah it used to be cool but now nobody likes it

>>16116309
kek, based

>>16116309
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNiXGX2nLU

>spacex rapidly cut away from the booster landing while the engines were still engulfed in intense flames

reminder starship has been in active development for 10 years and still hasnt launched a damn thing

>>16116348
You've been in active development longer and can't 1RM your own bodyweight.

>>16116338
>>16116339
don't blame you guys when our biggest hope today is spacex lol which is depressing.

austin barnard you stupid nigger i can see you using /sfg/ jpgs on twitter

>>16116356
Does he know they are tampered with CP?

>>16116346
what speed of light delay does this correspond to?

>>16116310
>Sketchup memes
Based

>>16116310
I already can see this gif being stoled and with a shitty unfunny caption on x/instagram.

>>16116368
you forgot about reddit

>elon still thinks 1 million on mars in 20 years is possible
are there even that many people ready to move? that's a city the size of honolulu. can they even build enough buildings to house that many people?

Tonight's launch might have had more than just Starlink on the manifest. B1069 was carrying a long duration upper stage like the ones on the EchoStar-24 and USSF-44 Falcon Heavy launches that went direct to GEO.

>>16116373
I don't think there are even 1 million people on earth interested in spaceflight

>>16116379
numbers too low but approximation of 7 figures is about right.

>>16116302
The tower to launch it

ATTENTION BAIT POSTERS
CHANGE MY DIAPER

>>16116379
that analogy doesnt work because lots of people fly but only a tiny amount give a fuck about the aircraft industry

>>16116309
why did you not draw in the noose? her head is literally in the position of someone thats hanging

test

>>16116396
do lots of people fly to antarctica? no? your analogy now also does not work.
>>16116398
you are unbanned xir.

>>16116399
im still banned, but only on /g/ lel

>>16116400
>/g/
/g/tfo

>>16116400
are you a newfag and dont know how to ban evade?

>>16116403
>ban evading a free vacation away from fa/g/s
lmao

>>16116405
not like im encouraging him using /g/ just in general since only newfags wouldnt know how.

its obvious isnt it? we're going to need inflatable buildings on mars. they provide enough volume to house lots of people.

>>16116379
Interesting question actually. I saw the other day there were only like (under) 9000 people in the world currently qualified to launch amateur rockets.

Assuming like 1 in 100 spaceflight enthusiasts are Tripoli members, that's roughly 1 million people.

>>16116373
Every woman will be required to birth 6 children on Mars

>>16116418
retard

>>16116419
retards such as yourself will be euthanized

>>16116413
there's like 4500 hpr certified nar members. I suspect that as many as half are also tripoli members. but those are just american clubs, I have no idea what amateur rocketry is like outside of america.
do the chinks do it? russians? they'd both be good contenders for countries with big rocketry scenes.

>>16116418
Women are not a problem, you just bring whores and don't allow birth control. Time tested frontier method.

I think we will see a 2 tier society on Mars richfags who paid and construction worker types who got government loans, shit is gonna like Total Recall tier dystopia

>>16116459
>government loans
outright indentured servitude, same as poor early Americans

>>16116465
Im probably gonna be able to pay, if not go there for work, but I would gladly go under indentured servitude to get off this fucking mudball away from all of these other neanderthals that call themselves 'people'.

>>16116449
>don't allow birth control
access to birth control can't be banned under US law

>>16116494
Good thing Mars isn't the US (see flag)

>>16116494
That's a Supreme Court precedent which used the same faulty bullshit excuse as Roe, which got overturned, not an actual law.

We're back baby!

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1776669097490776563

19:09: 2.7M Starlink customers.

21:33: Starship in final form over 200 tonnes to orbit with full reuse, able to fly multiple times per day.

22:50: 80-90% chance catch booster with mechzilla this year.

23:27: want 2 successful ship landings in ocean before trying on land because they don't want to dump debris on land. Probably this year Starship will land in ocean, next year land on land and reuse.

24:25: will build 2 launch towers at starbase, 2 at cape, by sometime next year.

25:15: development launches at starbase, most operational launches from cape, presumably because they can access more inclinations from there

26:40: Next year demonstrate ship to ship prop transfer.

28:41: thrust for Raptor, 2 and 3. Raptor 3 is 280 tf sea level, 306 tf vaccum.

32:31: flight 3 40-50 tonnes payload to orbit, Starship 2 over 100 tonnes, Starship 3 over 200 tonnes. Starship 3 4050 tonnes booster prop load, 2300 tonnes ship prop load, 3 sea level raptors, 6 vacuum raptors (vs 3 vacuum engines previously).

34:07 Starship cost to LEO goal 2-3M$.

> Flight 4 in a month or so. Aim to get through the high heating regime. Into the ocean at a controlled spot - a virtual tower (soft water landing technique).

> If that works, "Flight 5 will land on the Tower" (catch the booster with the chopsticks).

>we cant even go back to the moon
> /Sfg/ fags talking about mars colonies

Lets be honest, no one here really believe when musk talk about starships and mars right? Or are you guys that stupid?

> per Elon they moved a lot of external stuff and made it internal as well as adding integrated cooling channels so the surface appearance is somewhat misleading. He also mentioned building them is challenging, which makes sense.

Pretty slick lookinng.

>>16116315
I’ll give you a pity (you) little man.

JUICE: already launched
Clipper: launching this year
Dragonfly: launching in a couple of years

It's almost time for a new wave of discoveries about our solar system

Youtube version:

https://youtu.be/O1cOdsUM5do?si=MwAK1hpdMi6Rf6H-

>>16116514
Are you the newfag from like two threads ago?

>>16116518
Kys dragonfly nigger CANCEL MSR CANCEL DRAGONFLY WHY WOULD YOU NOT GO TO THE FUCKING LAKES WHEN GOING TO TITAN STUPID NIGGERS AT NASA CANT DO SHIT RIGHT SINCE THE 70S

>>16116514
Is this some sort of humiliation ritual?
You’re embarrassing yourself.

Speed run version of presentation:

https://youtu.be/KrpcEI1mh1c?si=MKD78itZht1a14wi

>>16116526
Hes baiting. Thats why I asked if its the newfag. Just hit the arrow next to the lost and put in 'trolling outside of /b/'

>>16116528
Zoomers have no fucking attention span. If you cant watch this presentation that is genuinely interesting and captivating with all the new details and have to resort to watching a recap then YWNGTS and need to stop pretending like you even care about spaceflight.

>>16116496
>Good thing Mars isn't the US (see flag)

>as if Mars won't be developed without US dollars and US technology
>as if Mars colonies, factories, resources etc won't be protected by the US military
>as if US citizens won't travel between Earth and Mars on a continual basis
>as if Mars won't be dependent on US imports for many thousands of years
Saying Mars isn't the US is like saying SpaceX isn't becoming a major US defense contractor
>t. TANSTAAFL

>>16116552
>between earth and mars
have you ever read the history of british colonization of north america?

>>16116552
>TANSTAAFL
Typical midwit catchphrase

>>16116552
>what was 1776

>>16116559
>doesnt know
Typical pseud reply

>>16116338
are you brown perchance?

Still waiting for a ULA version of this for 'hyper-optimized'

>>16116552
Thanks for your input Mr Zeihan but the US is shitting the bed in real time and it's exceedingly unlikely that it will exist as a single political entity in 20-30 years.

>>16116552
It took ~150 years for America to be independent, since the landing of the Mayflower. I can't wait to see the speedrun stats for Mars' independence.

>>16116552
Late stage Rome posting lmao

>>16116572
>whoops, looks like monitoring nuclear weapon development, something you've failed multiple times at on Earth, wasn't something you could do on a distant planet occupied by us
>shame you have a treaty on orbital nuclear weapons
>we don't

>>16116302
So, Proxima Centauri has 2 confirmed exoplanets and 1 disputed, while the 2 binary stars have 1 confirmed and 1 debunked planet? Did I get that right?

>>16116552
Do you live in the same country as me? Our fiat currency is just about done and there is no way to save it, ethnic tensions are through the roof not to mention ideological bullshit, just about everyone hates fedgov are you are out here being like "we are going to export to Mars for thousands of years". Lmao.

>>16116566
Is that a commie meme? Where is it from? Reddit?

why wont they do fatship? twice as wide and twice shorter, when will it happen?

>>16116302
>fully self sustaining mars colony possible with 1 million humans and 1 million ton payload
i would like to see the sources of that claim.

>>16116589
Too late for that, they would need to overhaul everything in starbase to support fatter starship

>>16116596
1 million is much more than is needed to avoid inbreeding, homo sapiens went down to like 20k at one point and we are fine. A million tonnes of payload seems plenty in terms of industrial equipment, remember you aren't making China sized factories for hundreds of millions of people throwing shit away every year or two. The big thing imo is habitation, if tunnelling or 3d printing regolith isn't workable then it's actually over.

What happened to spinlauch? with a moon colony in the horizon they actually may be usefull for small payloads like fuel tanks for orbit refueling or something

>>16116598
it will need to happen in the future anyways, right? why wont start sooner than later? 150m high and 9m wide doesnt seem good

>>16116602
pencil starship for launching starlinks is not bad.

Imagine the metals we can find on mars, some even must be find different from earth right? the distance is far enough to have differences in amounts of the know ones at least.

>>16116589
twice wider and twice shorter starship has twice more volume

>>16116605
Speak english ESL monkey

4 times shorter and twice as wide has the same volume
lol!

>>16116609
ESL site retard, what are you going to do about it?

>>16116528
the moon looks so much better with stuff on it

>>16116611
Relax knowing that I'm not a barely sentient subhuman like you

Imagine the metals we could find on Mars. Some might even be different from those found on Earth, right? The distance is far enough to potentially yield variances in the amounts of the known ones, at the very least.

>>16116616
geology will finally be relevant again thanks to space colonization

>>16116552

>>16116616
None because Mars is hardly differentiated and has never had a water cycle to concentrate minerals.

>>16116600
Shits out non-reusable minirockets
Even if it worked (it doesnt), it could not compete with the cost of starship

>>16116575
>Proxima Centauri has 2 confirmed exoplanets and 1 disputed
is this recent news?

>>16116578
Currently US is still the most technologically advanced country.

>>16116578
two more weeks

https://twitter.com/rookisaacman/status/1776654242649890932

Two more weeks

Hey guys just posting outside
the US timezones. definitely American btw. Are my fellow Americans here properly demoralized? Just making sure no one here ever says anything positive about the US.

US technology

>>16116666
Huh, maybe america does deserve to die in fire and blood

>>16116666
US technology

>>16116317
where do they fit 3 more engines?

>>16116600
They realized they can't compete with MagLauncher

>>16116302
They should have updated the design to 11-12 meters instead of LOOOOOONG.

>>16116653
Honestly, I´m in the process of checking the sources. The Alpha Centauri wikipedia article seems to contradict itself on that, which is why I wanted to fact check elsewhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue8pm-rOACA
it can't be that hard to move quickly and safely across martian terrain
send a lifted f150 or a cybertruck or something, metres per day is pathetic when we have an entire planet to explore

>>16116705
meters per day is what you get when you have a ~20 min comms time and don't send humans, it's all about avoiding obstacles, but at least the mini-copter helped

>>16116705
can't repair it so you have to be extremely conservative
a mars rover next to a hab/colony can be repaired by humans

When will we colonize another solar system?

>>16116709
>>16116710
a combination of the elimination of mass autism (starship) and a modified version of the tesla FSD software would fix these problems
expendable cybertrucks for exploration and mapping

>>16116720
sending humans would also solve the problem of digging

>>16116711
two weeks

>>16116711
probably need some kind of tech breakthrough which could then be applied for propulsion

>>16116711
600 years when space elon moves to space america

>>16116615
It's weird seeing the rampant ESL hate on 4chan, I think there's like 400 million EFL people in the world and then everyone else is a subhuman

>>16116740
EFL?

Its not that bad? just looks kind of funny next to the v1

>>16116640
>has never had a water cycle to concentrate minerals.
>never
Umm that's wrong sweetie. Mars was a wet world for billions of years.

>>16116701
it would allow them for more engines as well

imagine what could have been

>>16116755
they really fucked up when they reduced the diameter from the bfg
now they're stuck with that puny stick because of their bespoke stage zero launchpad architecture

>>16116777
based

>>16116783
meant bfr

>>16116783
why cant they make another launchpad

/sfg/ meetup in AR tomorrow?

>>16116302
How do you figure out the optimal size ratio between first:second stages?

>>16116755
whats advantage to long stick instead of cube >>16116777

>>16116788
Because it wouldn't mean making only new launchpad, it would mean redesigning everything.

>>16116791
the stage with more engines has more thrust, therefore booster should be way bigger compared to ship

>>16116793
so redesign everything, you already have engines

>>16116795
They had engines back in 2016

>>16116794
yeah, but how much bigger?

>>16116797
as big as possible

>>16116791
If you plug the relevant variables into the rocket equation, you can easily do optimisation on it to get the maximum delta v for a staged rocket in empty space in a vacuum. Gravity drag and air resistance complicate things but I think you can still do it. But, IIRC, Falcon and Starship aren't even at the optimum because they want to stage earlier (i.e., they're over-thrusted) for reusability reasons.

this is a perfect opportunity for china/india/eu to leapfrog spacex
just make a fatter starship

>>16116802
China would just make Starship clone 1:1, they can't into original thought.

>>16116804
at least they're willing to build a clone. europe and other countries just throw their hands in the air and give up.

>>16116792
a cube would have no aerodynamic control authority

>>16116811
They are only willing to make renders of clones.

>>16116812
>aerodynamic control authority
what about engines spaced further apart? better aerodynamic control authority than stick

>>16116794
depends on what speed you stage at, the later you do the more fuel the booster needs to get back and it gets quadratically worse as a function of speed
a big ship also means you have more payload to the destination after orbital refilling

>>16116791
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQp9UdppD-4

>>16116705
from the pictures it just looks like it's trying to move on some really difficult terrain by mars rover standards

>>16116815
its about the distance of the engines or flaps to the mean point of lift, with a ball the distance and thus the moment arm is very small
but the longer and thinner it is I think it starts to be more unstable, so more complicated to control
but SpaceX has a lot of control expertise (see F9 boosters landing)

>>16116750
First language, i.e. Anglos I guess

>>16116777
trips checked

>>16116373
nah lol. mars wankery is pretty cringe in general. After the first high of having boots on mars wears off it becomes a wasteland curiosity just like moon. Area for research and prospector outposts/sats/bots doing very boring and very mundane tasks like studying the bodies. Main attraction is finding resource deposits, from ores to water, which then later becomes the basis for space industrialization via mining. Much, MUCH later you can talk about some secondary branches like perma colonists. Until then its like living on a oil rig in very hostile environments

Frankly building very big cargo ships in orbit that never land and staffing them with crew moving between planets seems a far more feasible prospect of getting larger groups of humans into semi-perma space residence. Or cruise ships doing short trips like a trip around the moon

>>16116823
twice as wide means 4 times shorter for same volume

>While in closely aligned orbits, the LRO’s high-resolution narrow angle camera from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera (LROC) system snapped images of Danuri during three of its orbits around the Moon. This occurred as the two spacecraft were swiftly moving in reverse paths on March 5 and 6, 2024.

>Engineers at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, meticulously calculated the precise timing required for the LRO to photograph the South Korean lunar orbiter. Since Danuri was traveling at a relative velocity of about 1,500 kilometers per hour (approximately 7,200 miles per hour), the LROC had to have an exceptionally brief exposure time of just 0.338 milliseconds. Despite this, images show Danuri appearing elongated by a factor of ten due to the high-speed flyby.

i've got your ooo covered -

18m seems like too much, but why didnt they do 12m design?

>>16116840
got spooked while trying to make carbon rocket

>>16116823
I pray Artemis is completed using Starship V2 and then they begin work on a wider diameter starship for mars.

>>16116784
this thing would unironically be very good. Remember SpaceX doesnt want to do an entry burn on SuperHeavy, and the reason they think they wont need to is because the booster is fatter than f9 so aerobrakes better. A superfat booster could get away with less heat shielding. Not to mention the ship would be much much easier to land on an unprepared surface like mars or the moon. Remember how SN4 looked goofy tall for a moon lander? And now we are looking at a ship twice as tall.

>>16116867
plus if you make a rocket that's too fat you futureproof the launch pad, whereas now theyve fucked themselves and it cant get much taller without being ridiculous.

>>16116814
They've tested YF-215 engine components. They also test-built a 10m diameter stage connector (although those were for a previous CZ-9 version)

>>16116804
CZ-9 first stage is probably going to be made of aluminium. The 10.6m diameter was likely chosen due to the CZ-9 project's original aim of producing a Saturn V type lifter capable of ~50t to TLI

>>16116802
>>16116804
Bigger diameter means either more engines than SS/SH or bigger engines than Raptor though, which makes things more complicated, deviates from the proven, and introduces higher technical risk. 33 engines already beats the N-1's 30 and that was an infamous example.

It also means their rocket might become *too* fat to work if they can't make an engine of Raptor 3 thrust density level. It probably makes more sense to make a SS clone of ~10m diameter and then later make an entirely new SS clone from scratch that's of greater diameter once they can improve their engine from ~200tf to ~280tf. It's not like factory capex or metal item manufacturing is a weakness for China

>>16116802
>>16116804
Bigger diameter means either more engines than SS/SH or bigger engines than Raptor though, which makes things more complicated, deviates from the proven, and introduces higher technical risk. 33 engines already beats the N-1's 30 and that was an infamous example.

It also means their rocket might become *too* fat to work if they can't make an engine of Raptor 3 thrust density level. It probably makes more sense to make a SS clone of ~10m diameter and then later make an entirely new SS clone from scratch that's of greater diameter once they can improve their engine from ~200tf to ~280tf. It's not like ability to construct new facilities or willingness for large capex is the weakness for China; time is.

>>16116893
if you make if wider you can make it shorter, same volume, same amount of engines

>>16116914
if you make it wider, you have more space for engines
each engine basically has a section of mass on top of it which is optimal and in the most stretched out version you are close to that
so the height would stay the same, but the fineness ratio would get lower and it wouldn't be as much of a pencil anymore

>>16116581
Worse, /pol/.

>>16116920
the height would not stay the same, thats the point

>>16116922
pol is full of commies too, all kinds of schizos there

>>16116309
股票 is a nice touch

>>16116924
it would if you pack the engines as close together as previously

>>16116914
That gives it other aerodynamic properties though. What is the limit? Why not make the rocket as wide as it is tall while you're at it?

>>16116920
>>if you make it wider, you have more space for engines
More engines makes it more complicated though

>>16116925
when you realize nazis were jews too the circle closes

>>16116928
1:1 ratio has best properties for keeping fuel cool too

>>16116914
worse stability during booster decent, which is extremely important

>>16116928
>More engines makes it more complicated though
sure, but going from 33 to 42 or whatever isn't that much more complicated anymore
to get 33 engines working you basically have to solve the "many engines" problem already, its not a qualitative change to add more engines at that stage

>>16116701
Can their current construction, transport and pad infrastructure handle 12m diameter?

>>16116578
>just about everyone hates fedgov
And I'm supposed to think the US is failing? Seems to me it's about to only get stronger.

>>16116933
no, everything would have to be rebuilt
and raptor 3 doesn't even exist in a mass produced form yet
making it fatter is overoptimizing it way more than makes sense at this point, they don't even have this version working fully yet
I mean its not impossible they build a new factory in the cape or something and start developing a 12m version at some point in the future and then keep two different diameter versions running at the same time or something
or build a 9m factory at the cape, then retool boca chica in the future for a fatter vehicle basically ripping everything out, but the benefits would have to be substantial

I mean really, what do you gain here? other than aestethics
like what are the concrete improvements, how do they translate into cost of mass to orbit?
what would be the marginal cost of mass to orbit on a optimized 9m diameter starship vs a 12m diamater starship vs 18m diameter?
perhaps the benefits are large enough that they do make that "refresh" or iteration in the future, but in the short term it would be ridiculous

>>16116932
>going from 33 to 42 or whatever isn't that much more complicated
I can quite vividly imagine such an argument not working well during the meeting of the relevant CASC design committee

>>16116373
If the first and second generations are all women and they are continuously pregnant you easily could get more than 100 times the initial population in two generations. With this "breeder" strategy a single fleet of 10,000 fertile 18-20 year old female passengers could populate Mars Base Alpha in less than 30 years.

Of course this would likely require a large degree of automation and some form of government, security forces or enforced isolation (i.e. no interhab transportation)

Ultimately, though, bringing 1 million passengers is probably more realistic than trying to govern and pacify a whole world of BPD whores and welfare queeangs.

>>16116933
would need new pads, new chopsticks, new tower placement and maybe a full new tower. all the engine install infrastructure would need to be redone. I'm not even sure it would fit through the megabay doors

>>16116939
Going from 33 to 42 seems like it'd be a lot easier than going from 9 to 33.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1776980692666298874

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1776982477472722963

>>16116942
are they shipping gigatons of crickets to support converting that much matter into human flesh though?

>>16116542
based and correct

>>16116948
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1776985584596287622

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1776983338626281964

>>16116373
>>16116828
Yeah that giant colony dream seems very unrealistic. People who are well adjusted and have useful skills already have options to live comfortably on Earth. People who would just go there because they have no better options aren't people who you want to send on a gig like that, they'd just be a liability. I'm listening to the presentation and Musk just said that most people who'd go there probably wouldn't come back. Where will they find people who want to permanently leave Earth to work in a shitty colony?

>>16116574
"Oops, your entire global communications infrastructure depends on Starlink and we control LEO and provide your entire launch capability."

>>16116942
they need people working there
there will be so much work that needs to be done

>>16116599
frozen jizz means the minimum viable population is one fecund female
life support and economic capacity are the limiting factors

>>16116950
NASA doesn't want you to know this but Mars is actually edible. Mars bars while not actually made of Mars are imitations based on modeling of what Mars would taste like.

>>16116945
It might be. They aren't at 33 yet though. It's all on the drawing board right now. In fact, they're only aiming for 30 with CZ-9. And that's probably just because, given the 200t engines they're using, it's what they need to build a rocket capable of ~50t to TLI, which is the original goal of the CZ-9 project.

One might as well say, if we have 42 on the drawing board then it's not a big step to increase it to 50-something. And if we have 50-something on the drawing board, then it's not a big step to increase it to 60-something. Etc. At least 33 has been demonstrated by someone.

>>16116605
The periodic table is already fairly comprehensive at this point

>>16116958
you could ask the same question about the american colonies
I would argue being a mars colonist/pioneer is going to be overall much safer than being an early american colonist due to a variety of factors
yes the environment is much more inhospitable, but our technology is also much more advanced and in net it should be much safer
entire colonies in the americas got wiped out by one reason or another, disease, angry natives, starvation

>>16116610
Is that what you tell women?

>>16116655
Until, God willing, Mars brain drains it.

>>16116948
>we could have 3 internet cables running from the earth to the moon
lunar internet is going to be sweet

>>16116945
It might be. They aren't at 33 yet though. It's all on the drawing board right now. In fact, they're only aiming for 30 with CZ-9. And it's that many probably only because, given the 200t engines they're using, it's what they need to build a rocket capable of ~50t to TLI, which is the original goal of the CZ-9 project.

One might as well say, if we have 42 on the drawing board then it's not a big step to increase it to 50-something. And if we have 50-something on the drawing board, then it's not a big step to increase it to 60-something. Etc. 33 has at least been demonstrated by someone.

>>16116979
I was actually going to mention the old colonists. As you said, Mars is inhospitable. And people didn't really have the same kind of entertainment back then. Some sailor drinking gin in his damp village was probably happy to go to a new continent, build a nice house in lush nature and hunt deer or something, his biggest ambition being to have a lot of kids. Now a plumber will have a PS5, internet, maybe he likes to go hiking or go race Miatas on track days. What's his incentive to move to Mars for the rest of his life, where you'll be stuck indoors like you're in some kind of prison or military base, with a 20 minute latency to Earth so you can't even watch that football match or play FIFA online. There won't even be a motivation like oh the pay will be really good so you can build that nice house and retire early, you'll just be sitting there bored in your living quarters. Musk made it sound like people would even be paying to go there, to put their life on the line and have a worse quality of life

>>16116955
Kek, SpaceX is dancing all over the stuffed caskets of oldspace these days and it’s cathartic

>>16116996
literally no reason you couldn't watch a football match with 20 minutes of lag

>>16116996
you don't need to play real time online games to have a good quality of life
at first the motivation to go there is to accomplish great things, become part of history
later it will be for adventure, perhaps to start a business there or start/join a satellite colony to be able to live like you wish (like many of the early colonists to the americas did)
the EU is becoming more and more authoritarian for instance
and after mars has some industry, it would be relatively easy to start doing outposts on other celestial bodies as well

tl:dr become part of history, adventure, freedom

>>16116991
>it's that many probably only because, given the 200t engines they're using, it's what they need to build a rocket capable of ~50t to TLI, which is the original goal of the CZ-9 project.
It might also be because 30 engines on the first stage is about the minimum in order to have a diameter that can accommodate vac and sl engines on a reusable upper stage in a concentric arrangement like SS without seriously impairing the isp of the vac engines

>>16117001
yeah not like you are gonna get spoiled

>>16117008
bruh what? do tweets travel faster than the speed of light now?

>>16117009
no i was agreeing with you

>>16116711
It's at least 100 years out.
You need to freeze and thaw out live adult humans or automatically gestate and rear children, with equipment that will operate independently for decades or centuries based on technology that doesn't even exist yet. You also need the orbital infrastructure to build a colony ship.

With that kind of time scale some gay new physics might be discovered first, which makes any prediction meaningless.

>>16116896
What will V5 look like?

>>16116804
你才是创造力不足的。

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1776995942291706219

>>16117005
I'm just really skeptical how many people like that there are in the world. The sense of adventure will just get smaller the more people go there, the novelty will fade and it'll become mundane. Plus I really doubt a colony like that would have more freedom than Earth, when everyone is relying on life support systems to not just die. Freedom to do what?

>>16117024
>sense of adventure
If that doesn't work, offer enough money and you'll find people. Just look at the shipping industry. Filipinos work for 6 months on board, go back to home for a few weeks and return to work again. They do that because the salary of a sailor is great in Philipinnes.

>>16116552
>Thinking space will be consuming more resources from earth than earth will be consuming from space.
jej
Earther moment

>>16116958
>Where will they find people who want to permanently leave Earth to work in a shitty colony?

Elon is the next Caesar. The Muskian Empire will have Elons as rulers of Mars dynastic empire

>>16117030
>go back to home for a few weeks
Which you don't get on Mars, if they're meant to move there permanently. Quoting Musk, he said they're trying to make it so that "anybody can afford to go there", so they'd be paying to move there and hopefully stay. Just sounds like a shitty deal unless someone's just really into the idea of living in a wasteland. Immigrants will pay to get into a new country with a better life quality, but I don't see that being the case with Mars for a long time, if ever

Why is everyone taking about an elongated starship suddenly?

>>16117049
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1776669097490776563

Also pics related

>>16116996
Neuralink/ simulated reality could cover a lot of recreational needs.
You need to remember tech development is also moving target and it will move in tandem with space flight development.

Also funny you brought up video games.
If anything I’d say gamers would be EAGER to move to mars, more than you’d think.
It’d just be like a big comfy LAN party, rather than the rat-race SBM multiplayer networks on earth that are full of bots and cheaters.

what would it take for /sfg/ anons to want to move to mars?

>>16117068
money

>>16117068
nothing, though not sure I would want to stay permanently and it depends what kind of work needs to be done
say manual labor vs directing humanoid robots or something like that

https://twitter.com/CJHandmer/status/1776998254116323336

>>16117068
Enormous will power. Enough to make you want to work your ass off to get to your goal. Work is actionable will power. If you dont do work for your goal, you dont have enough will power necessary to get your goal.

>>16117078
we're going to do both moon and mars. at the same time. like fucking a mexican chick and black chick at the same time.

>>16117068
if I can't start a family before regular colonial ships go there I might as well if they let me

>>16116302
I love all the zoomers crying about how long Starship 3 is when it is still less of a pencil than Falcon 9

>>16117016

>>16117068
I have no connections other than my family. I am dedicating my career to spaceflight. My final goal is to go to the colony as soon as I can. It would take nothing for me to want to move to Mars.

Two more weeks until two more weeks

>>16117110
Trvth

ALSO B11 BEING DESTACKED NOW

>>16117046

>>16116302
SOUL > soulish > soulless

>>16117120
And SOVL?

>>16117116
conspiracy theory...elon wasnt always named elon, he got his name changed before starting spacex

>>16117122

>>16117005
As long as I can still connect to the internet, even if I can't do stuff in real time and have to deal with several minutes of lag, that's fine for me.

>>16117024
Most of them will be born there. People don't live in the slums of Manila because it's stylish or fun but there sure are a fucking lot of them there. Definitely more people than are "interested in the lifestyle."

you arent going to mars to play video games, you're going there to work hard ass blue collar labor for 18 hours a day, 7 days a week

>>16117046
I prefer Dominus Noster

>>16117140
more like 12 6 but yeah sure

>>16117068
literally nothing else is required

>>16117085
you have 5 kinds of AIDS

>>16117140
I know that and cant fucking wait to work to my 80s for the colony.

>>16117140
I know that and cant fucking wait to work to my 80s for the colony.

>>16117156
>>16117155
Why it post twice? 4chan has to be the worst fucking site ever.

>>16117140
I know that and cant fucking wait to work to my 80s for the colony.

imagine being known as the first murderer on mars

>>16117140
i'm going to mars so elon can keep pump&dumping crazy bitches.

>>16117159
Because it’s multiple people, duh.
keep your hair on.

>>16117163
Imagine if your name is cain.

EU wants to regulate space? lmao

>>16117168
Fucking saved

>>16117168
this is why I want to move to mars

>>16117125
Just show (or shop) us his birth certificate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_7hSOtSWkE
>Incredible Progress!! Starship's Next Flight Could Come as Soon as Next Month! - SpaceX Weekly #109

>>16117140
>giving people zero free time is definitely a way to be productive

>>16117159
I know that and still post here

>>16116615
If you feel so superior why are you getting replaced by chinks, spics and jews rn? Is because they are simply better players right, or what is your cope?

>>16117182
It's literally because they're willing to work for less because they have worse alternatives and are unashamed to steal from American taxpayers.

>>16117185
sorry mate, git gud then, I know you can because you are superior.

>>16117140
Video games, or any recreational activity for that matter, would be very localized.
And that is precisely why it will be better.
Quaint local recreation, gatekept from all the filthy E*rthers.
>NOOO YOUR GOING TO BE WORKED TO DEATH! DONT GOOOOO!
E*rther lies.

>>16117182
>shitskin cope is divorced from reality
Shocker, really.

>>16117190
Come on Pablo Jones, you know I'm right.

>>16117183
he knows

>>16117191
Your greatest insult is calling someone else one of you.

>>16117168
What's the EU trying to do with space regulation?

Version 7... my beloved...

>>16117200
mein neger

>>16117200
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qo78R_yYFA
It was too good for this world.

>>16117200
God starship is such an ugly disappointment

>>16117205
your parents say the same about you

>>16117205
Current version is still better than the ones before it, apart from ITS.

>>16117199
>The European Commission is gearing up to publish the world’s first comprehensive space law.

we need to go skinnier

>>16117200
We're on version 14 already. Version 15 soon too.

>Version 13
Remove the landing legs for booster
>Version 14
Add hotstage
>Version 15
Extend by another 10 meters or so

>>16117196
I accept your concession, now stop whining like a bitch, pull your dick in your pants and stop talking about shit derailing the thread. All of this happened because you could not forgive a sleep deprived post.

>>16117205
Starship will not enter the public psyche if it isn’t aesthetically pleasing to normies

>>16117186
>foreigner
>too retarded to read
Everything checks out

>>16117221
My first post in this was >>16117190

>>16117200
so what were versions 1-5?

>>16117226
they were cancelled after the tragic capsule fire

>>16117200

What was versions 1-5?

>>16117208
I'm his dad. I don't even think about him, much less talk about him.

>>16117224
if you are good enough you keep your job, simple as. You are the one who has to learn to read. Also stop derailing the thread you nigger.

>>16117199

>“We need to build a true EU single market for space and this is, of course, the purpose of the upcoming EU space law,” said Thierry Breton, commissioner for the internal market, in a keynote address at the conference.

>The law, he said, would help harmonize the current “very diverse space regime” within the EU, where 11 member states have their own national laws for space. “This fragmented approach prevents us from acting as a bloc,” he said.

>“All of this has been floating around the European Parliament for much longer,” said Niklas Nienass, a member of the parliament. That includes, he said, “clear support for the single market, the ability for companies throughout Europe to easily work together on space matters.”

https://spacenews.com/eu-space-law-proposal-due-in-march/

https://ground.news/interest/starship

Media and Starship coverage

>>16117159
I know that and cant fucking wait to work to my 80s for the colony.

>>16117239
buy an ad

With SeX becoming basically the only one viable rocket launcher, what are some good emerging space related companies one could work for?, It doesnt even have to be that exiting, probably like the ones currently working on lunar platforms or mining I guess

>>16117249
bro this shit is free

https://twitter.com/pronounced_kyle/status/1776990116785123498

proonter skeptics on suicide watch

>>16117250
Any commercial space station companies really though Vast and Gravitics seem to be the best. Miscellaneous satellite companies will also be good, but anything to do with lunar/martian builds wont be good to work in until a bit later. There arent even many companies existing that want to do their own base, so if you want to do off planet stuff your best shot is to join SpaceX themselves or companies that work for/with SpaceX.

TLDR, commercial space stations, satellite manufacturers, SpaceX.

>>16116496
>Mars flag
>Japan but inverted
>Elon wants to make cat girls real
IT ALL MAKES SENSE

>>16117264
incel

>>16117266
lecni

>>16117268
cline

>>16117262
wouldn't it be harder to inspect rockets when it's like this

>>16117264
Blue Japan

>>16117078
disagree. We should be building smaller rockets not bigger ones.

>>16116511
Assuming $110/mo for each Starlink customer average, that's $2,970,000,000 in annual revenues. $2.97Bn is pretty good. Let's say $45M per Starlink launch (rocket + cost of putting 53 V1.5s all inclusive + range, faa, and fuel logistics costs), gets you to 66 launches. $2.97Bn in revenue pays for effectively 3,498 satellites to orbit. There's 6600 satellites or so currently in orbit now, so FY '22 revenue (roughly), pays for 53% of the total network so far. FY '23 revenues (EoY Q1 25 roughly) would pay for the remainder of satellites currently in orbit.

Since each satellite has a 5-6 year life span, the cost is amortized. So by latest FY '26, Starlink's revenues will exceeds its launch and operational cost of its entire fleet. By '26, SpaceX expects to be putting V3 into service w/ 200T to LEO. Which would give them 100 V2 or V3 Starlinks to orbit deployment capability, wherein each new sat will likely have 3x the capability of the V1.5s. 3:1 ratio capacity and service coverage and the older variants can be deorbited. '26 is also roughly the EOL expectation for the V1.5s in orbit currently.

So yeah, FY '26+, SpaceX becomes self-funded and is decoupled from the need to raise money.

racist chud above

>>16116908
this is not what progress looks like

>>16117283
i just have to ask, are you baiting here because i told that anon on /pol/ a few days ago that we exist since he actually wanted to talk about spaceflight? i can tell that its literally only you baiting this general right now and if thats the reason youre here i want to apologize to the entirety of /sfg/ for making us known.

>>16117286
Why would you ever do that? Why would you ever think that was a good idea?

>>16117286
>Using /pol/
>Advertising /sfg/ there
KYS

>>16117140
>do hard work on Mars
>stop being a fat slob
>gain six pack abs
>become fit
>become breeding material for all the women on the planet
>sire children
>start a family
>create a legacy
>contribute to the sustainable future of Mars and the human race
Literally everything that happens as a result of going to Mars is a positive you raging faggot. Most importantly, it allows everyone to LEAVE THIS PLACE FOREVER.

>>16117289
I have no justification for my actions other than Im retarded. I didnt think of the consequences of my actions by just inviting one random anon while I was baiting there.

>>16117200
V7 will be revived on Mars for beyond Mars. Earth's gravity well is too deep. Mars' gravity well is just right for something of that caliber to be designed and launched from. Mass/Fuel and TWR all align for it.

>>16117068
I would drop everything and go the second I was offered a chance to.

>>16117295
>moron thinks inferior designs will be brought back simply for aesthetics
it will be a grungy, metallic future and you will be happy to live in it.

>>16117295
IFT is more powerful than Starship, I thought? The problem was the carbon design was too expensive thoughbeit

>>16117068
Almost nothing lmao. I have a comfy job but if the opportunity arises Im leaving, even if it's a shit jannie/miner job.

>>16116937
The primary gains are in handling infrastructure and reduced fineness ratio, which is going to make reentry much more difficult to handle, and what should be a significant increase in the propellant mass fraction, and an opportunity to increase the amount of initial lofting provided by the booster that isn't self-defeating for their own reuse paradigm. Starship in particular has the most to gain here: the extra long propellant tanks make an appropriately lengthy payload bay segment on the order of 20 meters prohibitively difficult to implement. The vehicle's processing and handling envelope only gets better when it's 12 meters wide.

>>16117299
It is. All revivals are forward leading. Which means that the design would be revived, but incorporate all the technologies and material science standards of the current day (of the future when it is revived). So ITS would be Stainless Steel with Raptor6 or 8, and all the bells and whistles that Mars' industry can afford it. In fact, I would go as far as to say that ITS from Mars would be an SSTO, because Mars' gravity well w/ 1% atmospheric density is the golden ratio for SSTOs.

imagine

>>16117307
Possible to do anywhere else but Earth.

>>16117286
I am not the anon you think I am, I'm just a /sfg/ regular. And Yes I was baiting (you). also a quick reminder that the BO engines has been in development shorter than the Raptor 12345 engine.

>>16117303
all starship/bfr/its/whatever iterations are ssto from mars, the architecture doesn't work without that

>>16117316
Right.

For deep space activity beyond Mars, I would expect that SpaceX would build a tower same as Earth and build SuperHeavy boosters + Starship. Stack the two and launch them. Which would allow SpaceX to have a fully fueled Starship with enough velocity at upper atmosphere staging that it wouldn't need in-orbit fueling to be able to do ballistic trajectory or direct boost out to Jupiter and beyond.

>>16117310
>baiting
it's called pretending to be retarded anon, and it's very embarrassing behaviour, your parents should be ashamed of you.

>>16117271
yes

>>16117271
>>16117354

All they have to do is swap out an engine if something is wrong.

>>16117279
you also have much more expensive tiers for business, planes and the ocean with different tiers within those as well (more prioritized data costs more)
and cell service might bring in some revenue as well
I did similar napkin math to you now and got to something like 30 bil revenue when its fully operational, but with kuiper coming online at some point, that revenue share for spacex might go down though
but in any case, its going to be in the right pallpark to bankroll the launches at the very least, perhaps not everything related though (the ships + payload needs to be paid for too)

>>16117222
Yeah total crew death does stick in one's mind

>>16117250
Drug production in zero g. Not sure it would ever need to be manned though

>>16117301
so slightly better $/kg to orbit (through a better mass fraction) and a bigger payload bay, higher max payload
but the question is, how much of an improvement is it going to be in $/kg? its not going to be orders of magnitude anymore
something like 20% perhaps?

where dafuq do you download all the nasa & friends sonification of celestial objects
all the links I've seen on their site are 404

>>16117355
so raptor 3 is going to be reusable but non-repairable, thrown in the trash when it starts wearing out

>>16117371
The more important thing is having more spare drymass to add systems that mitigate operational risks. Raptor 3 is simultaneously increasing thrust and adding Mass Autism at the cost of increased manufacturing complexity because they don't have enough dry mass to play with to actually meet their payload goals.

>>16117376
Furthermore, making the booster wider would give them more inter-engine space to work with, which would let them increase the nozzle diameter and increase specific impulse; Raptor 3 is under-expanded almost as much as Merlin.

>>16117378
so just expand the engine section portion then?

oh wait, then they'd need to expand the hotstage ring, and the booster, fuckk

https://twitter.com/BidenHQ/status/1776715930980008082

>>16117374
>implying
the only reason i'd even see the need to take merlins apart is to clean them of soot, this should be a non-issue on raptor and repairs can be done without doing that.

>>16117068
~1000+ prior colonists

>>16117271
they xray this sort of thing

>>16117378
what if they just removed some engines

>>16117396
just go in the second wave, then :^)

>>16117068
They should do it like they do in Blade Runner, living on mars sucks but everyone gets their own sex bot.

>>16117132
>several minutes of lag,
It's a 40 minute round trip when mars is at its furthest away from earth.

>>16117414
hey zoomer I know you leave 1 star if your doordash takes longer than 10 minutes but that's basically nothing. functionally real time. faster than the first telegraphs across the atlantic

>>16117200
We dont deserve her.

>>16117416
I was just pointing out it wasn't several minutes retard.

>>16117417
Fuck Deserving. Greatness is built by applied intelligence, sheer willpower and the desire to make things happen.

>>16117418
40 minutes is several minutes, illiterate nigga.

>>16117417
fat

>>16117424
THICK!!

>>16117423
wtf is it with retards on this site that don't know basic fucking english, is it esls or have people just got way more retard recently?

>>16117363
> but with kuiper coming online at some point
Kek. Where's the launch capacity jeff?

>>16117417
IFT's wide, soft hips!

>>16117068
Gf.

>>16117237
>forcing satellite buyers to equip the satellite with deorbiting mechanism is LE BAD

>>16117427
i feel like people in general, even in my personal life, have thrown reality to the wayside these past couple years.
it's like the veil of sanity is slowly dissapearing on most people because they relied on some facade of normalcy to have a veil to begin with.

that and the fact that millions of subhumans from third world countries are taking the world by storm, compared number of internet users from shitholes like china, india, brazil (and smaller shitholes ETC) from 10 years ago to today.
nowadays when you're on the internet, you can't be sure whether or not you're talking to an actual civilised person that poops in a toilet.

>>16117373
Wayback machine is single-handedly preserving all the information from NASA. Shameful really

>>16117393
Off topic kys.

>>16117363
Fully operational is closer to end of decade than now, maybe latest 2032. But ultimately post 2026 timeframe, absent of any major market retraction, SpaceX becomes self-funded for all its goals. They become the next NASA of the 50s and 60s, which is ironic in the grand scheme of things. It's also reasonably to assume that revenue will grow around 30% (conservative estimate) YoY until the end of the decade. So at $2.97Bn (generic 110mo services all inclusive (easy math))/yr means that by 2026 they'll bring in:

2024: $2.97Bn << today
2025: $3.86Bn
2026: $5.02Bn
---
2027: $6.53Bn
2028: $8.45Bn
2029: $10.99Bn
2030: $14.29Bn >> fully operational

If SpaceX achieves say $10M per launch (max cost), I know Elon said they want to aim for $1-3M, but let's assume worse case scenario, which is approximately 2x that of Falcon 1, that's still insanely cheap for 2 magnitude orders more mass to orbit with full reusability. Having the capability to do 2x SLS to orbit at that price would be such a massive humiliation of the entire planet's aerospace capabilities, its staggering.

SLS is priced to be around $2Bn for optimized launch costs. $10M for Starship V3 would mean that you'd get a performance ratio of 200:1. No wonder all the politicians are absofuckinglutely livid of how they can't control Elon and tow the party lines. When the best launch program the Senate can do is 100T to orbit for $2Bn and the industry leader can do 40,000T to orbit for $2Bn. That's scary as fuck.

>>16117426
If you think about it. Elon probably looked at the carbon fiber roller that made the initial tank section and then realized its made of steel, then looked up the cryogenic benefits of 304 Stainless Steel with rockets and realized that he could make Starship/SuperHeavy of the same size for fractionally less and went all in. Why buy ultra massive spinning rollers to make big things when you can just make the rollers, spin them in orbit, and call it a day.

Future is looking grim

>>16117452
>Bigelow

>>16117374
When you take the bad engine out, you put it in line for repair later, there's no need to hold up an entire rocket for one bad engine.

>>16117374
If you can print engines that can do say 50 flights and over 150 light/relight sequences before a potential failure case, and it costs you <$100k to make them, its easier to swap out the engine and investigate the engine for cause while your ships and boosters keep flying with new engines that are unlikely to have that failure case. Then whatever lessons you learn from the failed engine, you incorporate into your production line to improve reliability and safety. The damaged or failed engine, you dismantle and melt down what's useful and recycle it, and what isn't, you send to be melted and recycled out into the broader metallurgy economy, which still has use in the material science economy but doesn't need the extreme tolerances that rocket engines do. It's a win win.

$100K or less production cost with 50 flights means the amortized cost of the engine is actually $2000 per flight. For a ship putting 200T to orbit per launch, worrying about a $2,000 engine is pointless. Just swap it out and stop worrying about the issue. This is how cars are serviced. If a bolt fails, you swap it out with a new bolt and send the damaged bolt back for analysis and investigation--but you don't stop making cars because a single bolt failed. That's the idea behind Raptor3 and beyond.

>>16117262
They won't be printed though

funny how they have no idea why their engines blow up because they got rid of all the instruments to simplify

>>16117502
>raptor reliability schizo still seething
Hilarious

>>16116925
/pol/ is full of fucking tankies these days.

>>16117516
keep me posted

>>16117237
"Need mo money fo dem programs" t. Arianespace

>>16117516
The main problem is the vast majority of /pol/ is no longer people from civilised countries with drinking water, and if they are it’s because they’re immigrants
Anyone who responds to this post trying to deny this is likely one of said buttmad niggers.

>>16117502
On both IFT-2 and IFT-3 all 39 engines performed flawlessly on ascent, none of the failures on either flight were caused by the engines.

>>16117533
>>16117507
total nonsense. booster CLEARLY failed due to engines on all missions. Ship failed on IFT3 due to engines (an engine detonated and caused the spin, which also caused the outgassing of the tanks which meant there was no hot gas for rcs)

>>16117540
>CLEARLY

>>16117540
>an engine detonated and caused the spin
>This was revealed to me in a CSS fanfiction that Hillary Clinton transmitted into my brain via HAARP

>>16117540
>more seething
Nobody treats you as a person anymore, you’re fighting an argument that nobody else is fighting anymore because they already won, you’re still pretending there’s anything left to discuss.
You’re just a form of entertainment for us now bud, better get used to being a lolcow.

>>16117548
what was the explosion at the back of the ship then? and what caused the spin? and why as it not corrected? : )
other explanations make them look worse btw.
>>16117551
projecting. youre clearly made that ive chargedyour favourite dildo company with exploding engines.

this has to be bait

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZCqRGNAGjc
For tonight's ignored stream, SpaceX will continue to drag it's balls across the smallsat launch market as it launches eleven payloads to a 45.4d mid-inclination orbit.

>>16117566
Mods should perma ban all falcon 9 spam at this point like ja/ck/ threads lol

Looking forward to the Starbase eclipse photos. That's if it's not ruined by the fucking clouds.

>>16117566
Based
>>16117580
Kys
>>16117581
Its not in the path of totality nothing exciting will happen tard

>>16117476
how are they going to be manufactured then? some metal vapor deposition thing?

>>16117589
I know it's not on the path of totality. Eclipse photos are cool as fuck.

>>16117554
what explosion?
the main idea that I've seen floated around is that the RCS system didn't work for some reason (could be due to many reasons), nothing about engines exploding
in fact this is the first time I've seen engines being mentioned as being an issue on the ship, where did you get this from?
I don't see how that would be worse especially if its something like a valve getting stuck which happens all the time in spaceflight

>>16117554
>what was the explosion at the back of the ship then? and what caused the spin? and why as it not corrected? : )
>other explanations make them look worse btw.

The tank valves probably froze over from simple gas expansion. I don't know what it's like to live in the world where that's somehow "worse," but I fortunately don't suffer from Elon Derangement Syndrome and a compulsive desire to let the people I hate live rent free in my head all day.

what?
classified payloads can fuck off from rideshare missions. I want to see payload deployments.

>>16117602
>but I fortunately don't suffer from Elon Derangement Syndrome and a compulsive desire to let the people I hate live rent free in my head all day.
people who suffer from derangement syndromes are not people that you can ever reason with. there's nothing they can teach anyone, they are trained barking dogs and will do so at anyone their masters point at, for the rest of their miserable lives. there's nothing more to it.
also all kinds of derangement syndromes. I just don't engage with any

Clear Live!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Paeg7OSE49I

>>16117580
kek
/sx/ for spacex threads when?

>>16117620
Permabans for gaslighting oldspace-fags and chicoms when

live https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1777110422333870442

>>16117624
this is a LZ1 landing, worth a watch

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH FALCON 9
THIS IS SO EXCITING

LUNCH

max-qute!

you are now imagining a fat middle aged japanese man using a voice changer

come on home gralcon nine

another happy landing

Legs deployed barely in time

landed
welcome to the club, SpaceX

is this accurate enough to land on a tower?

>>16117650
they always do.

landing never gets old

>>16117652
Nope
meters vs centimetres

>>16117654
But more barely than previously

>>16117665
you could just post a webm from one of the other 380 landings and hardly anyone here would notice lol

>>16117665
Waste of bandwidth

This never happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWFFiubtC3c

>>16117696
because it was a waste of time
the payload would have been to small

Indian startup Agnikul scrubbed yesterday, haven’t seen this on /sci/ yet

https://x.com/debapratim_/status/1776791815431299254?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

>>16117652
falcon 9 and starship have different landing regimes

>>16117698

>suborbital
>wasn't mentioned on /sfg/

Gee I wonder why?

>>16117698
Right here >>16116226 in the last thread.

>>16117702
but it was mentioned and talked about

>>16117698
bloody basterd benchod bich
I posted about it extensively
I will shit in a toilet to curse you

>>16117702
and yet we're still talking about ift 3

Nigger (derogatory)

>>16117708
>and yet we're still talking about ift 3
Turns out that size and horizontal velocity matter a lot.

>>16117712
umm, based

>>16117713
my question is why the baiter has been posting for 8 hours straight now. he should get a job and take a shower