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B11 Static Fire Edition

Previous - >>16110843

>> No.16113262

Static fire today!!!!!!

>> No.16113263

>>16113260
good man, but sincerely hope you didnt pursue a medfag career like that other guy if you actually like spaceflight to the point you did a thesis on it.
>>16113250
good news for you, Vast, the company thats making Haven-1 the space station, plans to do artificial gravity which you can help with. and they actually look to be the first commercial space station up and have a reasonable plan for the future

>> No.16113265
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NEXT MONTH

>> No.16113266

>>16113263
Retard thread
1. Filter this thread
2. Make space for one good one
3. ????
4. Profit

>> No.16113267

>>16113265
Was hoping for late April damn

>> No.16113268

>>16113266
what. what does this even mean.

>> No.16113269

>>16113265
We are back

>> No.16113270

>>16113266
>>16113268
hey can i get /sfg/s opinion, this sounds like the B*rkun spambot right? the way its typed and how its not interacting with the replied to post at all? or am i just not seeing it

>> No.16113273

>>16113265
2^2 weeks

>> No.16113277

>>16113270
I'm not Barkon I just have an opinion that's against space faring especially with rockets. Is that ok? Ok did I break one of your retard-nerd rules? You came to the wrong forum if you expected a clean ride. Stop shilling your ideology here. There's special space forums you can perve your stupidity on and no-one smart would pester you. Well... I guess that's it. We're going to Mars(we need to) and we're going to use all of humanities focus to do it by forcing ourselves into their fun zones.

>> No.16113285

>>16113277
Yeah you broke a site rule. Opinions that gay and retarded go on >>>/lgbt/ or >>>/trash/.

>> No.16113286

>>16113265
I'm calling it now. Second week of May, on my birthday.

>> No.16113291

>>16113277
Yep its B*rkun automated response. Everyone get to reporting the two posts for namefagging &/or trolling.

>> No.16113295

So uh. When can we cheat the speed of light? Also I really want turbo fast speed so I can get to Pluto in less than 10 years.

>> No.16113296

>>16113295
Never. Speed of light is a limit not a suggestion, you cant go faster than it stop trying its retarded.

>> No.16113297

>>16113296
Yeah Einstein is probably right (unfortunately). How am I supposed to visit Pluto now?

>> No.16113298

>>16113295
I think Europe passed a law 100 years ago that banned faster than light travel

>> No.16113304

>>16113295
if the speed of light was 20000 times faster no one would be complaining. we only complain because our brains process time in a certain way, and because we have short lifespans

>> No.16113305

>>16113297
Same as the rest of us. Combustion engines with a paid Starship ticket.

>> No.16113306

>>16113298
Using all human focus to perform some lame trick that will probably fail and chop 30-50 of our time just for a fizzle and bang or a failed survival attempt, as you attempt to populate a much lesser habitat than the one we already have. We should spend more focus on sorting out the financial system. Stupid pervs.

>> No.16113307

>>16113296
>you cant go faster than it stop trying its retarded
It wouldnt matter if you could, the results would be one way no matter what, you would return to an Earth that evolved past humans.

Try? No, will by perception or actualizing, it shall be done.

>> No.16113308
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>>16113086 #
Space companies are such a scam. Now I can't trade foreign shares from Russia and only trade Russian companies. But I closed Virgin Galactic on 23 February 2022 23:17 for 8$ a share and now it's 1.71$

>> No.16113310

>>16113304
>>16113305

I'm hoping and praying we can super increase escape speed from earth to get our vehicles out to the planets faster. I want satellites around ALL of the nine planets. At least that is my dream

>> No.16113315

>>16113310
Launch speed rather

>> No.16113323

>>16113295
put yourself in cryo sleep.

>> No.16113326

>>16113323
My poor brain can't handle that. I want to orbit Neptune and head to Pluto for a bit

>> No.16113327

>>16113308
virgin galactic is a tourism company not a space company
may as well have bought six flags or carnival cruise stock

>> No.16113329
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>>16113308
Even RocketLab stock is stuck at the lowest it’s ever been

>> No.16113330
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Im making this the next OP.

>> No.16113333

>>16113330
People 300 years from now will take spaceflight for granted. Perhaps they’ll envy us

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>>16113333
>Perhaps they’ll envy us
I envy us now.

I remember before the internet, the change from planes to space ships doesnt seem that big of a difference to me.

>> No.16113338

>>16113336
I mean, "space email" is just delayed shitposting like how snail mail was delayed shitposting.

Which, if you have no other choice, you use, like in the military, but its still shitposting.

>> No.16113343
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http://arctic.som.ou.edu/tburg/products/realtime/eclipse/
This is beyond fucked it boggles the mind. Clouds forcing me to drive from the west coast to Indianapolis

>> No.16113347

>>16113343
I’m gonna be in Indianapolis too

>> No.16113355
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Look. Ate any of you guys chemical guys? Some make some super exotic chemical real fast and slap a tank on the back of a rocket. Let's get to the stars a bit faster eh?

>> No.16113356

>>16113347
on the bright side, glad i cancelled my flight to Austin, my fears were realized. but a 48 hour drive will be truly rough, including two 6 hour bats of sleep and margin. sleeping in a sedan. and then I gotta go back. God help me

>> No.16113364

>>16113355
Laser in low solar orbit + a gigantic solar sail can get you relativistic in a year

>> No.16113368

T-0:50:00 to Starlink

>> No.16113371

>>16113364
Man, do we even have anything besides models and projections on that? Have we sent any solar sails anywhere yet?

I'm not opposed to anything that gets us movin' faster. Aren't we still in theory land though?

>> No.16113373

>>16113371
There’s been a few solar sails sent up but none big enough for moving serious mass interplanetary - let alone interstellar. The laser would need to be the size of Texas and the sail the sail as wide as Earth. But it doesn’t break the laws of physics. Our best hope of seeing interstellar travel is having a copy of our consciousness being made as an AI and sent on a ship hundreds or thousands of years after you and I are gone

>> No.16113377

>>16113310
>>16113315
That's way easier, doable with fission reactors if you use water propellant and aero braking for the arrival stages and beamed laser + LH2 tugs for Earth departure.

>> No.16113379

>>16113355
TOXMAX concept is promising

>> No.16113384
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>>16113373

I find the idea of consciousness transfer distasteful. I would rather break the rules of physics.

>> No.16113407

>>16113368
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1776174507612606782

T-0:05:00. SpaceX stream.

>> No.16113415

>>16113407
Where is that guy headed?

>> No.16113450

Earth-Earth-Jupiter-Uranus?

>> No.16113452

joyrides in the interstage when?

>> No.16113453
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What is Musk thinking?

>> No.16113455

something about supply chain logistics probably

>> No.16113461

>>16113453
His thinking is probably disorganized and narrow. He's good at getting things done obviously. But I'm assuming he just obsesses over the same shit.

>> No.16113463

Umad.

>> No.16113464
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>>16113028

>> No.16113466

>>16113463
Can you make a structure in outer space and then dangle a bridge down through the atmosphere that can be climbed?

>> No.16113469

>>16113461
To add to this, he doesn't think or act like most people. His thinking is probably chaotic often. Mine is for sure and I'm not even particularly bright or successful.

That was really my original point

>> No.16113474

>>16113466
I'm not a scientist, but I'm gonna say not a chance in hell with our current technology

>> No.16113476

>>16113466
Also the wind would get to any structure that gets high enough off the ground right?

>> No.16113479

damn this spacex video is kino

>> No.16113480

>>16113466
this is called a space elevator and you can read up on it if you want
https://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/surfaceorbit.php#spaceelevator

>> No.16113482

>>16113286
hey thats when my birthday is too

>> No.16113486

>>16113265
May the 4th be with you! :D

>> No.16113487

>>16113464
Starship would pass the spaceplane test

>> No.16113490

>>16113487
>liftingbody
>wings
>tiles
how much you wanna bet starship v4 will add wheels and a runway? good odds

>> No.16113493

>>16113490
0%
its more likely that Musk becomes a Biden supporter and says he is a woman now

>> No.16113498

>>16113493
you should be careful, Howard Hughes ass motherfuker is capable of anything

>> No.16113508

Why do some people have this idea that reusable rockets can't be economically viable without some kind of arbitrarily ridiculously high launch rate and payload availability, and that the current demand for orbital launch isn't high enough to "justify" the existence of such rockets?

>> No.16113519
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>>16113296
>Never. Speed of light is a limit not a suggestion, you cant go faster than it stop trying its retarded.
womp womp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scharnhorst_effect
>but its tiny!!!
if it bleeds we can kill it

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>>16113310
>I want satellites around ALL of the nine planets.
You better be including the Moon and excluding Pluto here or we're going to have a problem

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16113543

>Literally a sweatshop-tier green sweater with a square on it
>USD $75 + tax + tip + shipping
wtf????

>> No.16113545

>>16113543
pay up

>> No.16113571

>>16113308
Once Starship is operational SpaceX could do multi-orbit tourist flights for far less money due to much higher passenger capacity and more capable vehicle. Don't see how VG can compete with that.

>> No.16113573
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Will they be doing this or its just a meme? Literally makes no sense, its impossible it can be reused without being tested after its first launch, and if the booster failed when its landing youre gonna fuck up the whole launch pad. Just put some fucking legs and make it simple

>> No.16113584

>>16113573
Mass autism

>> No.16113587

>>16113573
It's 100% real and it's a good idea.
>after the first launch
that doesn't matter. the booster will fly many times eventually

>> No.16113592

>>16113573
>if the booster failed when its landing youre gonna fuck up the whole launch pad
wrong. the launch is way harsher than anything an empty booster could inflict.

>> No.16113593

>>16113573
yes, that is mainly for rapid turnaround and for better mass
if you have the booster landing somewhere, you have to move it which takes time
I guess they could have done that at first and then try to do this later, but they would probably have to have done some design decisions which would make it less optimal for landing on the chopsticks right away and this system has been designed to be rapidly reusable from the start

the point is to go beyond F9 and not just make a bigger one

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Holy shit

https://x.com/stoke_space/status/1776232040741974221?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

>> No.16113595

>>16113594
>develops FFSC engine in one (1) year
what did they mean by this?

>> No.16113596

>>16113593
*than, not and
mainly for rapid turnaround instead of better mass to orbit

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a year ago

>> No.16113601
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>>16113599
now

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>>16113601
labeled map

>> No.16113603

>>16113599
>>16113601
very slow on the factory

>> No.16113605
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>Today we launch our cutting edge Sierra Space Eclipse satellite bus line. This series represents a significant leap forward in satellite technology and is comprised of three distinct classes tailored to a wide range of missions.


https://www.sierraspace.com/newsroom/press-releases/sierra-space-unveils-the-revolutionary-eclipse-satellite-bus-line-introducing-velocity-horizon-and-titan/

>> No.16113606

>>16113603
simultaneously building starships is probably slowing it down, they build it in stages so not everything gets shut down

>> No.16113607

>>16113605
lol everybody has a satellite bus line now

>> No.16113608

>nasa is working on lunar time
>spacex isnt working on mars time
????????????????

>> No.16113609

>>16113594
Beter Becks ORSC engine ABSOLUTELY BTFO.
SHORT RKLB

>> No.16113613

>https://spacenews.com/thailand-joins-china-led-ilrs-moon-base-initiative/
we've been betrayed

>> No.16113615

>>16113543
Mars colony ain’t being built for free

>> No.16113616

>>16113595
Turns out, it really is that easy in rocketry.

>> No.16113617
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launch site map

>> No.16113618

>>16113599
soul
>>16113601
soulless

>> No.16113619
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>>16113617
launch site in march 2023

>> No.16113621
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>>16113619
now

>> No.16113623
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Pad clear for static fire now

>> No.16113624

livestreams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8QLrVAOE1k

>> No.16113625

>>16113613
Nah, Thailand would have never played any role in US led moon base anyway. Thailand joining China means they will have a role to learn advanced science. Its a win for China (influence) and Thailand (chance for prestige/influence/scientific endeavour)

>> No.16113626

no overpressure notice? that isn't required for a static fire?

>> No.16113628

>static fire
no launch = i sleep

>> No.16113630

>>16113628
had to wait like 2 years between last starship test and IFT-1

>> No.16113632

>>16113594
He CAN'T keep getting away with it

>> No.16113634
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https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1776237264785363182
https://www.ulalaunch.com/docs/default-source/default-document-library/ignition_the_vulcan_origin_story.pdf
wtf is this

>> No.16113635

>>16113634
>pony content outside of /mlp/

>> No.16113636
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jwOlhxnUBI

>> No.16113637
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>>16113634
Lots of meme potential.

>> No.16113639

>>16113634
>28 pages
lmao

>> No.16113640
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what did Tory Bruno mean by this bronyposting?

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>>16113640

>> No.16113643

>>16113640
>clop clop clop

>> No.16113644

>>16113634
why would Tony do this?
his drawing skills, while not good, are better than I expected

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>>16113642

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>>16113647

>> No.16113652
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Oh, it's because his horse died? That's kind of sad.

>> No.16113653
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>>16113634
Same energy.

SpaceX comic when?

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>>16113650

>> No.16113656

>>16113652
the horse dying is a metaphor for the future of ULA

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>>16113652

>> No.16113659
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he signs his name with a drawing of a rocket that looks suspiciously like starship

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>>16113647
>>16113650
>>16113654
>Blue horse

>> No.16113661

>>16113660
kryshorse
horstal

>> No.16113663

>>16113634
holy SOVL. did he draw it himself?

>> No.16113664

>>16113573
I reckon there's a 50/50 chance it ends up as stupid as that weird flip staging they tried to do with IFT-1.

>> No.16113666

why do they have an Italian guy making rockets in the first place?

>> No.16113671

>>16113519
>if it bleeds we can kill it
based, take out carnot efficiency while you're at it

>> No.16113675

I read the comic and I'm convinced ULA is attempting to pivot into the the comic book industry, where they're better positioned to compete with SpaceX.

>> No.16113677

>>16113637
I can't believe we made it into Tory's comic book

>> No.16113686

>>16113602

>private land

Do you think this guy want all of Musk's money?

>> No.16113716

>>16113666
rocketry is mostly plumbing

>> No.16113723

>>16113634
I'm embarrassed for Tory and I used to work for him

>> No.16113724

>>16113686
something unreasonable and caving in would then mean everybody else would start asking the same

>> No.16113730

>>16113723
>I used to work for him
Now I'm embarrassed for you

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>> No.16113746

everyone go report the early stage nigger he made another /sfg/. and we havent even hit bump limit yet, proven impatient zoomer.

>> No.16113747

>>16113634
This is impressive work

>> No.16113748

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rurhk1hadp8

>> No.16113752

>>16113304
>if the speed of light was 20000 times faster no one would be complaining.
you just made GPS 4 orders of magnitude more difficult. I'd like to file a complaint.

>> No.16113756

>>16113308
you gambled on tourists instead of mass surveillance. you got only yourself to blame

>> No.16113757

>>16113637
Someone should edit this so it says Mr. Musk and reply to Elon on X after every launch.

>> No.16113759

>>16113741
holy fuck im seething

>> No.16113763

>>16113752
If only the speed of light was just above a brisk walking pace imagine how much effort could have been saved not inventing faster modes of transportation.

>> No.16113768

Road closure for static fire just happened, stand by for updates.

>> No.16113771

>>16113768
No overpressure notice. Just spin PROOOOMING?

>> No.16113773

>>16113730
I'm debating applying to work at ULA, am I 'tarded? for reference I'm already in aerospace and ula sounds comfy and would put me closer to actually working on rockets

>> No.16113774 [DELETED] 

>>16113759
all this gloryhound faggots fault for riling up the dumbs

>> No.16113777
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>>16113759
all this gloryhound faggots fault for riling up the dumbs

>> No.16113780

>>16113777
Him, Carl Sagan, Neil Tyson Chicken Nuggets, and Bill Nye are all the same pseudointellectuals who got lucky and became famous for it. I fucking hate all of them.

>> No.16113782

>>16113780
Reminder that you are an estrogenated redditor if you like any of these insects or Star Wars/Trek.

>> No.16113785

>>16113595
hydrologgs FRSC is 50 year old tech, the challenge was the OR loop

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>>16113748
Thanks. I almost hadn't watched this today

>> No.16113791

Stop making this gey space faring thread. It stupid. Space is a nothing. Other planets are a non sense. What a waste of our time and focus. Kys fags.

>> No.16113793

>>16113787
for you

>> No.16113794
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First photo from Russian satellite Resurs-P № 4
Houston, Texas

Satellite is used to explore natural resources, control environmental pollution, search for a mineral deposit, assess the state of the ice situation, monitor emergencies.

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>>16113794
Dallas

>> No.16113797

>>16113795
>>16113794
these russian fucks should be intercepted with a missile every time they photograph our territory.

>> No.16113802

>>16113785
The Stoke first stage is methalox.
Their propulsion team is simply built different.

>> No.16113804

>>16113794
>>16113795
Cool images
>>16113797
Rude and mean

>> No.16113818

Whats going on with B11?

Also poster above me is stupid and his mother is fat.

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https://spacenews.com/varda-space-industries-raises-90-million/

Varda raised $90 million

>> No.16113826

>>16113802
ok wow never mind that's insane

>> No.16113832

>>16113802
Stoke is a joke lmao

>> No.16113867

>>16113832
Shut up nigger YWNGTS and neither will BO

>> No.16113876

>>16113867
bo goes to space all the time. they just can't stay there

>> No.16113888

>>16113867
>>16113802

I would be into Stoke Space more if they made thier rocket bigger.

>> No.16113892

>>16113795
hey i used to live in that image

>> No.16113909

starship will defintiely not land on a non prepared landing site. waaaay too tall and has no ability to hover in lunar g.

>> No.16113945

>>16113867
Sorry dude, that company is deader than dead. It's a hail mary against Elon by pedo Bill Gates

>> No.16113956
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16113956

>be born in irrelevant shithole euro country
>don't manage to get out
>don't manage to get into any of the ESA outreach programs for students
>become robotics researcher instead
>....
>now actually on track to lead the development of some tech that will actually go up the well
don't give up on your dreams, anons

>> No.16113959

>>16113956
So what. You'll be eating nuts for 1000 years perv.

>> No.16113961
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>>16113959
didn't ask don't care

>> No.16113962
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16113962

I'm only reposting this because it made the janny seethe hard enough to delete it last time
Earn your wage lmao

>> No.16113963

>>16113956
I've been here 32 years. I've profited so much and I get the chance to fight against pervs like yourselves for a reward. I couldn't imagine nuts for 1000 years, that would be an indecipherable amount of suffering.

>> No.16113966

>>16113956
You manage to get to me and do whatever limited stuff you can do, you can expect 20* that along the way. Plus anything you did to other things in your time here.

>> No.16113967

>>16113959
>>16113963
glad to see /sci/ is just as full of GPT spambots or schizos (impossible to tell which) as ever

>> No.16113973

>>16113962
Are you sure it's not because you're the early staging tranny and got banned?

>> No.16113982 [DELETED] 

>>16113973
Reported that shitter kek

>> No.16113991

raise taxes on hullo's plane so he stops making videos about it

>> No.16113992

>>16113832
Stoke needs to team up with someone to get a first stage faster.

>> No.16113995

>>16113992
No they're doing just fine.

>> No.16113996
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16113996

>>16113991
cosigned

>> No.16113998

>>16113996
He needs to add pilot

>> No.16114000

>Flight 4 next month
How likely is this?
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1776144738971693245

>> No.16114002

>>16114000
see you in june

>> No.16114005

>>16114000
Unlikely except if both the ship attitude control issues and the booster engines not relighting both were really simple dumb valve or software problems.
All the mitigations happen after rollback from SF.

>> No.16114024

>>16114005
>>16114000
insider here, realistic NET July 6th. The problems are. MAJOR. to say the least. Elon wasnt present as a way to quietly scold the engineers who let it get this bad. Artemis 2030 is starting to seem unrealistic.

>> No.16114032

>>16114024
something other than bait for once you retarded faggot

>> No.16114036

>something thats not 100% positive about my favourite space toy company
>automatically bait

>> No.16114037
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Andy Lapsa says it took them just over a year to go from deciding to building an FFSC engine to having one

https://x.com/andylapsa/status/1776241470149939442?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

>> No.16114041

>>16114036
>insider here
>automatically bait
yes faggot. if you can't tell niggerbait poster by now you're lobotomized

>> No.16114042

Insider here. Starship has already proven itself, so SpaceX is working on the next rocket, called the Gurren Laggen Poopen Scoopen Giga Nigga Carl Sagan. Also, Elon Musk is actually several small kobolds in a man sized suit. The froyo flavors today are aluminum oxide and vanilla raspberry.

>> No.16114049

>>16114037
Andy Lapsa is a GOD (and also a closet homosexual)

>> No.16114052

>>16114037
Tells you all you need to know about BO management that they squandered such talent.
Hope Jeff can turn it around

>> No.16114055

>>16113773
Honestly it was a good place to work when I was there. Pretty minimal overtime, nice people and decent pay.

>> No.16114057
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>>16113996
>Scotsman
>Scotsmanly
>Scottmanley
>Scott Manley
am I tripping balls right now? duuude

>> No.16114060

>>16114057
meds and sproke

>> No.16114073

>>16114037
>ffsc

Is that the same as Raptor?

>> No.16114076

>>16114073
Yes. Raptor is the first FFSC that's been to orbit and likely survived halfway through reentry.

>> No.16114079

>>16114000
I think it's possible

>> No.16114083

>>16114076
>half
you are deluded. it didnt even begin to slow down.

>> No.16114095

>>16114000
>Krystal porn gets trips
/sfg/ is truly dead

>> No.16114122
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16114122

The OTF is venting, prop load soon. WHOS READY FOR AN EARTH SHATTERING BRAP???

>> No.16114131

>>16114122
Not me

>> No.16114132

HELLO ANGRY FLORIDAMAN HERE (TITUSVILLE, SPACE COAST)
CAN ANYONE FUCKING EXPLAIN WHY AT LIKE 1:00 AM LAST NIGHT I WAS SUDDENLY AWOKEN BY A FUCKING LOUD EARTHQUAKE? IN FLORIDA?
OH RIGHT IT'S JUST THE FAGGOTS AT THE KSC LIGHTING OFF THEIR HUGE METAL DILDOS AS USUAL
Every. Fucking. Week. There. Is. Some. Launch. In. The. Middle. Of. The. Fucking. Night.
I am so fucking sick of this shit. Back when the shuttle program was going on, it was maybe every few months we'd get a launch and it would be cool because they would usually happen in the late afternoon or something. But after living here for over 20 years the novelty of launches has completely worn off and now it's just frustrating. I don't even pay attention to the launch schedule or go outside to watch anymore because it's just boring. I have seen hundreds. Oh a glowing line is going up into the sky and it's making a loud noise, whoop de fucking doo I don't care, let the snowbirds clog up US-1 with their 30 year old toyota shitboxes while they watch and go "ooh ahhh so cool". Seems like the past few years there have been a lot more launches and most of them late at night, and I wake up easily. I am going to send a STRONGLY WORDED LETTER to NASA because I can't fucking handle this shit anymore.
For some reason, last night's launch was unusually violent in the sense that I THOUGHT I WAS ABOUT TO DIE IN AN EARTHQUAKE. IT WOKE UP THE ENTIRE FUCKING NEIGHBORHOOD, MY DOGS WERE GOING APESHIT AND I WAS IN FEAR FOR MY LIFE. But nope it's just Elon "The Nigger" Musk and his metal dildos waking up the entire town again!!!
fuck you Elon "The Nigger" Musk and fuck all of you fanboy faggots for enabling and encouraging his behavior.

>> No.16114133

>>16114131
I may not actually be doing anything via:

Set the mind to go.

Looks like I have to do stuff manually. I'll be with you soon

>> No.16114142

>>16114132
first get rid of the ricer street racers with fartcans on their Hondas

>> No.16114147
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>> No.16114151

>>16114132
kek. enjoy starship coming to ksc. they're building three pads for it.

>> No.16114156

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ6Az4vySec

>> No.16114157

>>16114147
why no zenit?

>> No.16114159
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>> No.16114160

>>16114151
it's gonna rattle you straight out of bed.
it's VERY much louder than the falcon 9s that go off every two days.

>> No.16114164

>>16114132
You don't even live in Florida, faggot.

>> No.16114166

>>16114164
Oh yes I do.
I'll post proof when I get off of work

>> No.16114177
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16114177

>>16113265

Cut this low energy bullshit out and design a real rocket.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_C-5N

>> No.16114178

>>16114166
post your dick next to an alligator

>> No.16114182

>>16114177
>NERVA
that'll be 50 billion plus tip thank you

>> No.16114183
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16114183

>>16114177
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_C-5N
cope

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>>16114182

>> No.16114192
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16114192

SkyshowTV released a really high quality 4k ground track of IFT-2. You can see fires around some of the engines as well as the individual explosive failures of the engines during boostback.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvHY6imbUBo

>> No.16114193

>>16114186
That was when Boeing was cool.

>> No.16114195

How big is your /sfg/ pdf solder? I have 500 files that I saved to read later.

>> No.16114196
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>>16114195
many such cases

>> No.16114203

>>16114196
>format
Kys redditroon gtfo youre probably the same nigger that posts spongetroon in that awful format and early staged.

>> No.16114209
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>>16114195
My /sfg/ folder is everything thrown in a entire unorganized pile.
This is the last new saved image, saved for shitpost purpose.

>> No.16114211

>>16114195
I don't save PDFs from sfg.
my krystal jpgs from trash folder on the other hand...

>> No.16114212
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>>16114195
pdf not so much
got some memes tho

>> No.16114226

>>16113832
It's fucking over.

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>>16114203
I smugly accept your immediate and painful suicide
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1508367467269136387

>> No.16114251

>>16113273
wrong
it's 2x2 weeks

>> No.16114252
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16114252

New Chinese missile tracking ship, don't want those boosters dropping on Taiwan province or the Phillipines, right?

>> No.16114254

>>16114252
>don't want those boosters dropping on Taiwan province or the Phillipines, right
wrong

>> No.16114267
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>>16113647

>> No.16114285
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16114285

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1776355321419907444

>> No.16114293

Bruh why do fags act like looking at the eclipse is gonna make you go blind?
Did you never look directly at the sun as a kid? It's not even a little bit dangerous

>> No.16114300

>>16114293
it is dangerous because your eyes don't respond to it properly

>> No.16114303

>>16114300
So it's only dangerous during the eclipse?
I suppose it's the UV while the visible is not enough to make your pupils dilate sufficiently?

>> No.16114304

>>16114303
yes, exactly

>> No.16114306

>>16114303
>dilate
constrict

>> No.16114314

static fire happened

>> No.16114318

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ6Az4vySec
>Starship - what can we do with it?

>> No.16114330

>>16114285
She/it should work at nasa, she/npc would feel at home there.

>> No.16114334

>>16114285
You joke but there's a reason Arrokoth and Oumuamua have the names they do

And the "boys club" is true in space science, apparently there is a serious sexual harassment problem at conferences

>> No.16114339

>>16114334
>sexual harrassment
>serious problem
oh, this sounds legit unlike every other time in history

>> No.16114348

>>16114339
A lot of those events are international, and you don't need to look at the headlines to guess attitudes are even worse overseas.

>> No.16114349
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>>16114314
Too much testing, not enough breaking.

>> No.16114353

>>16114348
tits or gtfo

>> No.16114357

>>16114334
why would you say "boys club is a bad thing" on the most infamous internet boys club?

>> No.16114372
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>> No.16114374
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>> No.16114384

>>16113594
Stoke has really impressed me these past few years. They are second only to SpaceX for coolest space launch company

>> No.16114389

Mars having liquid oceans is fake. surely it was too cold for all that in the alleged time when it was feasible because the sun was too dim. plus mars shows little signs of oceanic bodies beign present, if anything it shows signs of glaciers followed by a brief thaw period.

>> No.16114393
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>>16114353

>> No.16114396

>>16114372
anyone hate the shuttle here?

>> No.16114404

Aren't rockets something agile rather than technical. Surely there are other techs than rockets suitable for the same purpose. If we could just think of them, maybe we'd get better at space faring.

-BK

>> No.16114410

>>16114404
One example would be something with a vessel attuned to it. The ship is corellate to the launcher. Another, a gear that allows a specific moves to a certain type of flying vehicle. Another is something that doesn't have a corellate vehicle, but uses a specific type of launch mechanism. I dunno. What could generate up-torque.

>> No.16114412 [DELETED] 

>>16114404
Black Kang?

>> No.16114413

>>16114410
Perhaps it is curved and sends the vehicle up at a slant.

>> No.16114420

>>16114412
Well. It's better than a risky, slow to produce safely, rocket. In my opinion, rockets are weapons. It's an abnormal use for anything other than payloads. Definitely not to be manned.

>> No.16114423

>>16114420
Exactly. Think of something new. And we'll have 100 things in space the same time we now do 1.

>> No.16114425

>>16114420
That's my only complaint, otherwise I'd treat space faring with more respect. It's too slow, it's too risky. It's based on balance of metal and engine, so it's more a constant tune than something technically apt.

>> No.16114426

>>16114425
Obviously we're meant to try space travel, and there'll be techs perfectly suited for that. Think.

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>>16114404
>>16114410
>>16114413
>>16114420
>>16114423
>>16114425
Bot thread

>> No.16114431

>>16114427
We have planes taking off and reaching destinations every hour of every day. 30 years for a mission to just begin is wasting time.

Kys fags. You're not doing it properly.

>> No.16114441

>>16114427
ARE THOSE GUYS OKAY?

>> No.16114446

>>16114427
yeah they're as retarded as it's possible to be and I suspect it's some sort of bot thing

>wow it's retarded that no one has thought of making rockets launch at a higher cadence and make them regular and boring I'm so smart and you're all so dumb

>> No.16114447

>>16114420
>>16114412
actual bot LOL

>> No.16114462

>>16113634
>this art
>ack
>clop clop clop
dangerously blursed

>> No.16114467

>>16114427
>>16114447
bot

>> No.16114478
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16114478

bot this bot that how about you niggers talk about spaceflight

>> No.16114479

>>16114192
Great footage, thanks for sharing Anon

>> No.16114486

>>16114478
that pic is in the atmosphere and thus does not constitute spaceflight

>> No.16114491

Elon musk is an idiot.

>> No.16114496
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>>16114192
the engines shutting off and the separation look amazing

>> No.16114500

>>16114467
yeah sorry but responding to a post that just says Black Kang with "it's a better system then a rocket" and a whole paragraph is a pretty clear sign of a bot

>> No.16114510

I hate mechanics of materials so much bros. Its not like Im doing bad but holy shit I dont like it.

>> No.16114516

>>16114510
lol I cranked out a B-, don't worry anon
t. MS in mechE

>> No.16114520

>>16113794
>Toyota
what did Ivan mean by this?

>> No.16114524

>>16114516
Looks like I'm going down that path too. I get mostly As and Bs in college but I semi bombed this exam today but still aced the last one. Hoping final is easier, I just want to get out of this awful semester and start doing thermo, mech lab etc. I reallllyy want to build my own thing instead of make random bullshit or take tests that curveball you or dont give enough time. Finally getting in to my electives for aerospace, looks like IGMI pretty easily.

>> No.16114525

>>16113996
>didn't include Troon
one job, anon

>> No.16114526
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>> No.16114530
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>> No.16114532
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>> No.16114536
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>> No.16114537

>>16114530
HOUSE SIZED PRESSURE DIAMONDS = KINO

>> No.16114541
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>>16114349
there will be breaking in two weeks

>> No.16114542
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>> No.16114544

>>16114537
Shock diamonds*

>> No.16114564

/sfg/ kill

>> No.16114570

>>16114564
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1776412194424676740
>Standing down from tonight’s Falcon 9 launch of Starlink satellites due to unfavorable weather. Now targeting tomorrow, April 6

There's not that much going on right now

>> No.16114575

>>16113296
>If it was hopeless, their propaganda would be unnecessary.
>>16113304
>if the speed of light was 20000 times faster no one would be complaining.
I would.

>> No.16114578

>>16114575
>I would
Well you wouldn't be alive to complain, but I understand the sentiment

>> No.16114580

>>16114564
It's only natural, now that the weekend has begun. After all, /sfg/ is full of handsome and socially well-adjusted sirs.

>> No.16114581

>>16114570
there wouldn't be much going on even if starlink wasn't scrubbed, let's be honest.

>> No.16114582
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1776413162444906841

>> No.16114584

>>16114530
>>16114537
You could spend a lifetime analyzing the dynamics at play and still would find this amazing. This is closer to science fiction that anything I thought I would see when I studied aerodynamic and rocket propulsion.

>> No.16114585

>>16114037
this is pretty cool, more fully reusable launch companies the merrier

>> No.16114586

Just shat my pants, HOWS THAT FOR SOCIALLY WELL ADJUSTED FAG??

>> No.16114587

>>16114132
its going to be multiple times a night soon, get used to it homo
and this time its going to be starships instead of falcon 9
you will not only hear it, you will feel it

>> No.16114588

>>16114581
There was supposed to be an exciting announcement from ULA but all we got was a shitty deviantart comic

>> No.16114591
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Kino B11 photos

>> No.16114592

>>16113797
Calm down, McCarthy.

>> No.16114594
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>>16114591

>> No.16114596
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>>16114594

>> No.16114597

>>16114596
>>16114594
>>16114591
>>16114582
>muh sharty mars shuttle
fuck off lol

>> No.16114600

>>16114597
Smells like expendable rocket bitch in here

>> No.16114601

>>16114526
>Skyshow video of the SpaceX IFT-2 launch_1.webm
>IFT-2

>> No.16114605
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>> No.16114606

>>16114600

Spacex launch was postpone due to the rest of the spaceflight industry being raped too much.

>> No.16114607

>>16114601
it is ift-2 they said ift-3 is gonna come soon.
estronaut must be seething. he doesn't have any NASA grade tracking telescopes

>> No.16114608

>>16114605

I thought xitter doesn't do 60ghz.

>> No.16114615

>>16114608
I guess based Elon Musk fixed it.

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>>16114526
>>16114530
>>16114532

>> No.16114627

>>16114192
this is probably the best footage I've seen
why can't the big boys figure out how to record the rocket in such high quality when it's at altitude?

>> No.16114634
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16114634

So its pretty obvious Starship advances one big step at a time by fixing what went wrong with the previous flight, what do you think IFT-4 will get right? I think that all engines will light on Booster return but maybe not the perfect landing they were hoping for. Attitude control on ship will be fixed but surviving reentry is still an issue. Payload door will be also fixed but they wont get the deorbit burn right with Ship since they got no data last time as they didnt attempt.

>> No.16114638

>>16114192
this is my new favorite launch footage of all time

>> No.16114639

>>16114634
yeah agree mostly, but I don't think its impossible they get through re-entry with the ship too
that is their goal for IFT-4

>> No.16114641

>>16114605
>me at home on the throne after eating a too spicy curry

>> No.16114642

>>16114634
I think IFT-4 will follow the exact same route/fail like IFT-2 or 3 lol

>> No.16114643
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>>16114607
I wish USlaunchreport could also film. Their tracking is always amazing.

>> No.16114645

>>16114634
Deorbit burn succeeding is more likely than all 13 lighting up for booster landing imo

>> No.16114646
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16114646

>> No.16114648

>>16114642
huh, IFT-2 and IFT-3 were completely different

>> No.16114649

>>16114642
Nonsensical post. There was a huge difference between ift-2 and 3

>> No.16114652

>>16114634
payload door is an easy fix in theory, you just need to vent the air out of the bay first. there was more than one thing going wrong with the booster landing and it's going to take more than one flight to solve.

>> No.16114655

>>16114591
>>16114594
>>16114596
>>16114605
looks exactly like when b10 did it. no longer novel, no longer kino

>> No.16114673
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16114673

New commercial space station startup is dropping soon

>> No.16114674

>>16114655
desu most starship tests, and posts about them are just spam that should be dealt with lol,
wake me up when starship finally carries people

>> No.16114677

>>16114673
>inflatameme
i am SICK and TIRED of it!
I HATE ITTTTTT
I CANNOT STAND IT ANY LONGER

>> No.16114680

>>16114674
it's the most exciting spaceflight thing happening.
you're just a retarded contrarian / EDS sufferer.
we talk about electron and fucking arianespace here how is starship any less relevant

>> No.16114681

>>16114680
>we talk about electron and fucking arianespace here how is starship any less relevant
they dont launch constantly and fuck up the feed of cool stuff happening,
nobody cared about falcon 9 because it launches too much, same for starship
its annoying and reddit tier shit to talk about it so much lol

>> No.16114682

>>16114655
Consider dying

>> No.16114690

>>16114681
Obvious D&C glownigger shill trying to force Blue Origin and SLS tier launch rates as 'more exciting' just because theyre slower. WE DONT FALL FOR YOUR KIKE TRICKS HERE THIS IS THE FUTURE AND WE ARE HERE TO WATCH IT NOT YOUR INFERIOR NIGGER TIER ROCKETS THAT WILL LAUNCH 10x LESS FREQUENTLY AND 5x LESS PAYLOAD

>> No.16114697

>>16114673
the nice part about copying starlab's design is that you don't even need to make your own renders

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>>16114681

>> No.16114716

>>16114681
Shut the fuck up you gaslighting jackass, people don't care about Falcon 9 because it happens multiple times a week and succeeds multiple times a week; they're basically routine. Starship is anything but. Stop trying to pretend that Starship isn't worth caring about in lieu of retarded as rockets whose engineering paradigm was obsoleted an actual fucking decade ago.

>> No.16114719

>>16113795
Nice pics but can't read license plates like US recon satellites are said to be capable of

>> No.16114728

>starship launches too much
at last I truly see...SLS-sama..I kneel

>> No.16114733

>>16114716
seethe, elon will never let you suck his cock

>> No.16114734
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atlas is so fucking ugly who let them get away with building this shit?

>> No.16114736
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>>16114734

>> No.16114741

>>16114734
the US taxpayers,
also seethe muskrat shill

>> No.16114744

>>16114741
>muskrat
how'd you figure that one? falon's no looker either with it's stupid high fineness ratio and oversized payload fairing

>> No.16114757

>>16114734
>atlas is so fucking ugly who let them get away with building this shit?

It's Atlas III but widened to better accommodate the RD-180 and to support variable counts of SRBs.

>> No.16114775

reminder to go to feedback and bitch about the /sci/ janny for leaving the troll thread up for 16 hours and counting. its your civic duty to make jannies even more miserable!

>> No.16114806
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>>16114673
>inflatable jank

>> No.16114811

>>16114806
still the widest modules since skylab, it's a start

>> No.16114818

>>16114741
>>16114733
>>16114681
>>16114674
lol extreme EDS. why would anybody listen to you when you're that mind controlled by your seething emotions?

>> No.16114834

>>16114037
The Department of Defense is without a doubt drooling over SpaceX—even if it doesn’t always seem like it behind the veil of political theatrics.
FAA, biden admin, sierra group; hell, even if Trump hypothetically became anti-SpaceX… the company is too big to fail right now against any foe. DoD needs capability like this, and they know it now often comes in private industry (versus how it was in the ~1940s-1960s era–where everything was very ‘government-hands-on’ in order to expedite technology like nuclear bombs and fighter jets and rockets in order to beat the commies).

>> No.16114851

>>16114834
schizobabble

>> No.16114855
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>>16114037
FIVE companies now making staged combustion rocket engines in the US.
>Aerojet Rocketdyne (RS25)
>SpaceX (Raptor)
>Blue Origin (BE-4, BE-7)
>Stoke (methalox FFSC)
>Launcher (kerolox ORSC]

>> No.16114860

>>16114855
Ok now do reusable, then do fully reusable. Jarvis doesnt count as its a total meme and NG hasnt even flown yet.

>> No.16114861

>>16114734
I like how the diameter changes so that it visually breaks it up. Also the fairing is a unique design.

>> No.16114871
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>>16114860
The RS-25 has been reused after flight.

>> No.16114872
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Can someone make an /sfg/ version of this for Blorigin with Jarvis or ULA with their LEO optimized meme.

>> No.16114874

>>16114860
>Jarvis doesnt count as its a total meme
It's almost endearing how blatant of a conceptual ripoff Jarvis is/was. I can practically see Jeff storming into a conference room, pulling up a picture of one of the early hop tests, pointing at it and screaming "JUST DO THAT! WHY CAN'T YOU FUCKING DO THAT? IT CANNOT BE THAT GOD DAMN HARD!"

>> No.16114875

>>16114871
The engines have finite lifetimes and the ones flown on Artemis I were destroyed when the core reentered the atmosphere.

>> No.16114876

>>16114673
yo dawg heard u like space so we put some space in your space

>> No.16114878

>>16114876
Theres shit in your mouth you shit dog.

>> No.16114880

>>16114874
"It's not that easy in rocketry" is a hard pill to swallow that everyone encounters at some point.

>> No.16114884

>>16114855
Also Rocket Lab Archimedes, and I believe both Ursa Major and Impulse are developing staged combustion engines (although not complete rockets).

>> No.16114885

>>16114734
It's cute in an ugly way. Unsurprisingly it's got the whole it's-1957-we-have-no-real-experience-with-rockets-yet look about it which is always kino.

>> No.16114893
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>people unironically believe rogozin still has his dick

>> No.16114895

late may seems most likely

>> No.16114906
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What if parachute fails?

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>> No.16114911
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>> No.16114940
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>> No.16114945

IFT-5 will be 4 weeks after IFT-4, then a two week gap, then one week, then three days, then daily, screenshot this

>> No.16114947

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1776442596845592942

Hell on earth to EDS sufferers, Musk just can't stop winning

>> No.16114958

>>16114634
They'll probably fix the tumbling. Since it was the thing that went the most wrong during IFT-3, I'm not really sure what that will mean for the reentry. My hope is for a successful passage through the atmosphere and a scuffed oceaning.

>> No.16114992

>>16114634
I honestly think that surviving reentry won't be a problem, it seemed to be doing quite a good job for a while even though it was spinning uncontrollably. How good it will be at being reused is different matter entirely.

>> No.16114996

does the new FAA launch tax apply to everyone is just the big players like spacex and ula? should newfag startups with low launch numbers still have to pay the tax even though they're hurting for cash?

>> No.16115005

Was there any progress on new starships? Or are they not moving forward before being done with remaining ships?

>> No.16115031

>>16115005
By new you mean V2 or V3?

>> No.16115033

>>16114855
if you try explaining to frieren why falcon 9's so much cheaper than any alternative she'll just start having boomer flashbacks to losing payloads on the original atlas centaur with himmel and reach the quiet but unshakeable conclusion that ULA's the only launch company anyone could ever need

>> No.16115036

>>16113991
based
I was hoping that he would end up livestreaming himself having a fatal crash but this is also good.

>> No.16115039

>>16114285
As a bong it always amuses me when people think the Daily Mail or Sun are legitimate sources of news.

>> No.16115046

>>16115039
and it amazes the rest of the world that you produce and consume these rags

>> No.16115047
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16115047

>>16114906
>What if parachute fails?
It would be very painful.

>> No.16115052

>>16115046
At least the Sun is effectively banned in one city, but yeah I really wish I didn't share this island with so many retards.

>> No.16115055

>>16115039
I always post it either when shitposting, or to win an argument in my favour

>> No.16115060

>>16115052
kek at least you're not one of the bongs who pretends every Englishman refuses to read them or take them seriously

>> No.16115061

>>16115052
the sun is banned? nuclearchads win again

>> No.16115063

>>16115031
whatever comes after remaining 3? ships.

>> No.16115075
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY4DDG-GLvw
>SpaceX Booster 11 Static Fire - SOUND ON (Headphone Warning)

>> No.16115077
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>>16115063
I don't remember seeing any full ships, but apparently there is some pathfinder hardware though

https://twitter.com/Ringwatchers/status/1775322589285539990

> This is a very interesting find. A pathfinder barrel, presumably for the next Ship revision, and it has quite a few noticeable changes.

>- Note that it being a shorter ring section doesn't necessarily mean the production build will, as this is a manufacturing pathfinder, though it could be the case. (The current payload bay section is 5 rings tall)
>- The dispenser cutout is on a ring seam, as opposed to a solid ring. This means it moved, probably lower, on the payload bay.
>- The access hatch is directly below the dispenser cutout, rather than being 2 rings below, on the forward dome section.
>- The dispenser cutout is rounded instead of angular, which better matches the more modern reinforcement on the Ships.
>- The tile pins are the standard size, rather than the tiny ones. The tiny ones will be on specific areas, as there have already been pathfinders showcasing this.
>- There is a rounded cutout to the right of the door, which matches the Chopstick lifting points on the nosecone. Could this maybe indicate it's moving lower?

>These are just some quick observations. Fun to see, to be sure.

>> No.16115079
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16115079

production diagram from 1.5 weeks ago for good measure
for some reason I never tend to see these on the timeline, have to specifically go look them up every now and then

https://twitter.com/Ringwatchers/status/1773103241867227426

>Updates since last diagram:
>S28 & B10 conduct Starship Flight 3.

>S29 conducts a spin prime and 2 static fires.
>3 aft flaps are delivered, 2 of which are putatively for S32 and the extra would sequentially be for S36.

>BOOSTER 4 IS SCRAPPED.
>B14’s oxygen tank has the downcomer installed and the aft section stacked.
>B14’s methane tank is stacked to 9 rings in height.
>B14 forward tank #4 is staged outside of Mega Bay 1.

>> No.16115081
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>>16115079

>> No.16115083
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https://twitter.com/wapodavenport/status/1776404486824632404

May 4 is going to happen

>> No.16115085
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>>16115083
>May the 4th

>> No.16115086

>>16115083
it would be very funny if it was the morning of the starliner launch

>> No.16115089
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16115089

Anyone tracking how quickly these milestones are happening? Is the pace actually getting faster?

>> No.16115090

>>16115086
physically impossible. starliner will never launch

>> No.16115103
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>>16115083
Can't wait.

>> No.16115109

>>16115089
would have been funny if you had labeled axes and didn’t spoil it in the image title

>> No.16115112

>>16115109
this

>> No.16115117

>>16115109
Idk I didn't make it, make a new one urself

>> No.16115124

>>16115061
>the sun is banned
Only in Liverpool

>> No.16115130

>>16115079
>>16115081
>Ship 28
>Indian Ocean
>Booster 10
>Gulf of Mexico
kek
I wonder if chang has found any intact raptors yet?

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>>16114318

>> No.16115141
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>>16115137
with helios as a kickstage for starship

>> No.16115154
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16115154

The stoke team

>> No.16115158

>>16115154
31 people, 4 women one of which is indian, so 1 (?) minority?
lel

>> No.16115161

>>16115158
> 4 women
not gonna make it

>> No.16115182

>>16115161
Team relief squad is a useful function

>> No.16115183

>>16115182
what do you mean by that?

>> No.16115188
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16115188

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1776594319341715933

>> No.16115190

>>16115183
If your engineers are in a perpetual state of post-nut clarity, innovations will come swiftly.

>> No.16115195

>>16115188
Elon can be like a broken record at times. But at least he has his eyes on the prize.

>> No.16115206

>>16115195
people like to whine about the twitter purchase but it and the constant politics posting is done for a purpose
things have to stay somewhat stable so a mars colony can even be started, not to mention start the process of making it self-sustaining
its going to be a lot of fucking launches for decades

>> No.16115214

>>16115206
he's done two good things with twitter
community notes
and destroying the seriousness with which people treated twitter

>> No.16115219

>>16115141
>less to GEO than FH
low energy, very low.

>> No.16115221

>>16115154
What does the dog do?

>> No.16115227

>>16115221
bites slackers

>> No.16115229

>>16115214
Didn't he nerf community notes because they kept correcting him?

>> No.16115230

>>16115229
nope

>> No.16115232

>>16115221
Poops on the Astra CEO's lawn.

>> No.16115250

>>16115229
Community notes requires continued concordance from "both sides" from users who have been deemed helpful in the past. In an attempt to prevent it becoming just become pure shitposting notes.

>> No.16115256

>>16115195
YOUR DAD IS LIKE A BROKEN RECORD ON MY COCK.

>> No.16115261

Greenlight venus sample return

>> No.16115265

>>16115261
would unironically be easier than MSR
just stick a scoop on a probe and do a low flyby

>> No.16115268

>>16115265
I want rocks but I suppose an atmosphere sample return could work too.

>> No.16115270
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>>16115265
>just stick a scoop on a probe and do a low flyby
cringe, we want roggs

>> No.16115274

>>16115270
Venus is so cool

>> No.16115275

>>16115274
actually it's quite warm

>> No.16115281
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>>16115274
it could have been even better
>The dense atmosphere of Venus led scientists to believe that it must be 'super-refractive'; that is to say, the rays of light would be bent to such an extent that an observer on the planet's surface would have the impression of being in a vast bowl, with the horizon curving upwards all around them.

>> No.16115300

https://science.slashdot.org/story/24/04/06/0037238/biden-takes-aim-at-spacexs-tax-free-ride-in-american-airspace

They fucking went there

>> No.16115322

>>16115158
Indian women in the west are extremely based & STEMpilled

>> No.16115333

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/04/us/politics/spacex-biden-musk-taxes.html
>normies or musk haters click on irresistible clickbait title
>learn directly that SpaceX have launched over 300 rockets in case they didn't know or were ignorant of it
kek

>> No.16115335

>>16115333
This goes especially for those clueless/willfully ignorant losers whose only exposure to SpaceX launches is when "starship blows up"

>> No.16115336

https://www.faa.gov/data_research/commercial_space_data

Total SpaceX domination

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>>16115333
>>16115335
No one reads the NYT anymore

>> No.16115352

>>16115348
Just read the comments on 2 SpaceX related articles, wish I didn't

>> No.16115353

>>16115352
>Yes, please. We should also tax them for accelerating climate change

I'm done, holy fuck

>> No.16115358

>>16115333
normies have no idea how many launches 300 is.

>> No.16115359

>>16115335
basically any uk normie only knows spacex for when a starship hitpiece comes up, then there is a week of people raving about how musk wastes money blwowing rocketsup and should feed children instead.
Back when F9 was first landed I was elated and had watched all previous landing attempts live. I remember the hosts said their aim was to make landing so frequent that it became boring, and I though surely that wouldnt happen. Here we are now.
Back when F9 first landed the narrative among normies was genuinelly that it was done just to show off and that it was a disgusting display of billionaire vanity with no reason. I never reveal that I like space stuff because then a torrent of bullshit from yesterdays paper will come from any normie im speaking to

>> No.16115360

>>16115359
UK seems even more unhinged about this stuff then even US for some reason, degrowther/decel island

>> No.16115373

>>16115358
normies have no idea how many flights there are in a year either
domestically, about 10 million, with each flight averaging about 100 passengers. Multiply that by the average fee paid in excise ($15pp), so $1500 per flight in excise paid by the airline to the FAA

spacex spent more than that just writing the 250 page book report about the brownsville native bird species

>> No.16115384

looking around dtic this morning and found this interesting read
>GPS Integral to SpaceX Falcon Launch Vehicles and Dragon Spacecraft
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA513456.pdf#page=20

>> No.16115396

>>16114634
I'm kind of waiting for an SN11-style step back at some point, I'm guessing it could happen for booster landing and probably is fairly likely during reentry testing, i.e. an early one makes it through somehow but the next few burn up again.

>> No.16115433

>>16114945
It's going to settle into a 3-5 week gap for like a year

>> No.16115442

>>16114945
this is like bitcoin halving schizo shit

>> No.16115445

>>16115188
20 years seems far too ambitious even counting from fist manned landing. I suppose it depends on how you define self-sufficient and for what amount of people. A couple dozen/hundred people with food and the bare necessities in situ, complex stuff shipped in? Possibly. More than a couple thousand and truly just about everything made on Mars? No way.

>>16115229
I heard there's a lot of proposed notes on his tweets, they just don't get accepted anymore for whatever reason. Everywhere else I don't think it has changed.

>>16115384
Kek I thought this was gonna be about F9 landing not F1 recovery, this is older than expected. Anyways nice find and GPS being an integral part of Falcon is why I've been waiting for info about any sort of Lunar or Martian positioning system plans for a while now. I assume they'd want that.

>> No.16115448

>>16115445
its elon time so bounded between 4x and infinity. 80 years is a pretty realistic minimum bound.

>> No.16115477 [DELETED] 

>>16114719
I think you'd need at least 2cm spatial resolution for that. Supposing 200km altitude and 400nm wavelength, then the Rayleigh criterion should demand an aperture of at least

[math]D = 1.22\frac{\lambda}{\sin(\theta)} = 1.22 \frac{400 \times 10^{-9}m}{10^{-7}} = 4.88m [\math]

I've heard it said that the best a spy satellite can do is 10cm and there's no point in trying for better resolution because unpredictable atmospheric distortions due to unpredictably shifting temperature and density become the limiting factor

>> No.16115478

>>16114719
I think you'd need at least 2cm spatial resolution for that. Supposing 200km altitude and 400nm wavelength, then the Rayleigh criterion should demand an aperture of at least

[math]D = 1.22\frac{\lambda}{\sin(\theta)} = 1.22 \frac{400 \times 10^{-9}m}{10^{-7}} = 4.88m [/math]

I've heard it said that the best a spy satellite can do is 10cm and there's no point in trying for better resolution because unpredictable atmospheric distortions due to unpredictably shifting temperature and density become the limiting factor

>> No.16115479
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https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1776669602740830566/

>>16115333
>commietimes

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>>16115479
also
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1776669097490776563

>> No.16115483

>>16115480
>>16115479
KINOOOOOO I HAVE A NEW DESKTOP BACKGROUND

>> No.16115486

>>16115384
Does GPS still have a speed limit?

>> No.16115487

>>16115479
Retarded solar array sticking out HLS design believers BTFO, god its looking beautiful

>> No.16115489

>>16115479
Wait that fucking talk we never saw it publicly yet right?

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>> No.16115492

>>16115333
So? Those kinds of people don't know whether 300 launches is a lot or a little

>> No.16115493

>>16115479
CYBERTRUCK BASED LRV

LMAO

>> No.16115495
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Starlink

>> No.16115497

forgot how hard it is to hear him talk

>> No.16115499

Once Starship is running, SpaceX will do 99% of the mass to orbit. This year, its 90%. China 6%. Rest of the world 4% combined.

Absolute win

>> No.16115500

>>16115478
What are adaptive optics anon
Astronomers have solved that problem for at least a few decades

>> No.16115501

Elon has Trump style speaking pattern sometimes

>> No.16115504

If IFT-4 has the booster successfully go through its splashdown they will try to catch it in IFT-5

>> No.16115506
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>> No.16115508
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2 towers in Starbase
2 towers in Cape

>> No.16115509

BOOSTER LANDING ON IFT-5

>> No.16115510

>>16115486
yes but there are chips that are unlocked and I'm sure spacex can get their hands on them

>> No.16115512

>>16115499
I wouldn't write China off that quickly. They'll have a Falcon 9 equivalent online in a few years and they're gearing up to mass produce satellites for their own megaconstellation. They'll still be a distant second place to SpaceX, but it'll be more like 90% - 9% - 1%.

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>> No.16115514
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>> No.16115516

>>16115514
Simplified raptor 3 with integrated functions hidden inside. Much simpler

>> No.16115517

>>16115513
hang on, I was told the current design was too pointy. why are they making it pointier?

>> No.16115518

>>16115513
starship 3 with 6 vac and 3 sea level raptors.

>> No.16115520

>>16115479

So is it impossible to go from surface to surface and back again with SS alone?

>> No.16115521

>>16115513
Starship 3 is not very aesthetic desu

>> No.16115522

>>16115520
Not without refuel

>> No.16115523

>>16115513
>10,000tf
>98,000 kN
Jesus

>> No.16115524

>>16115500
What do you use as a guide star when looking down at Earth?

>> No.16115526

Starship 3 will cost LESS per flight than tiny expendable Falcon 1

400 x more payload than Falcon 1
Cost per flight aiming towards $2-3M

>> No.16115527

>>16115491
how do they take pipes off the raptor and retain functionality?
As far as I know Raptor 2 has less gizmos on it because they simpy removed sensors, and it has less nuts and bolts because Elon told them to simply weld it together. But that means you can't refurbish it.

>> No.16115529

Every 2 years, 1000s of ships going from Earth to Mars.

>> No.16115530

>>16115499
>Absolute win
It'll be an ephemeral advantage, unless SpaceX has yet another launch revolution after Starship in the works

>> No.16115532

>>16115513
>those figures
so are they finally admitting that 150 tonnes to leo was bullshit? Ive had people on here defending that figure with their lives

>> No.16115533

>>16115530
After Starship, its Starship 2 and then Starship 3.

>> No.16115536

Aspiring to catch booster with tower arms though this may turn out to be a mistake

>> No.16115537

>>16115533
And how revolutionary will those be?

>> No.16115538

>>16115529
That's alot of tax revenue

>> No.16115539

>>16115506
Never ever going to work.

>> No.16115540
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WE ARE SO FUCKING BACK

>> No.16115542
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I WANNA SEE HUNDREDS/THOUSANDS OF STARSHIPS GOING TO MARS

>> No.16115544

>>16115512
More importantly, they're working on at least two Starship clones (CASC and Landspace).

When you make predictions about relative upmass in the future, you need to specify which year you're referring to, because it's going to be in constant flux.

>> No.16115545

>>16115479
I wish Dr. von Braun could see ugh, he would be so happy

>> No.16115546
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What is /sfg/s verdict on this plan
https://tv.cctv.com/2023/07/13/VIDEL5QAX7cmoA9TlFqhNhgq230713.shtml

>> No.16115548

>>16115546
I don't give a fuck about Chinese powerpoints.

>> No.16115557

>>16115526
what's the marginal cost of an intercontinental 747 flight?

>> No.16115559

>>16115548
I don't think it's fair to dismiss it as just powerpoint. The hardest part is the rocket. The CZ-10 should be theoretically able to put that size class of wheeled modules on the moon, and it's quite far along in development.

Such a module could mass 6000kg, if I understand this correctly
https://www.yhxb.org.cn/previewFile?id=53640273&type=pdf&lang=zh

>> No.16115560
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Other is my favorite planet

>> No.16115561

>>16115560
we're actually not allowed to go to the pictured other, but it's still a good sentiment

>> No.16115566

>>16115559
>6000kg
If it looks like it's made from a bunch of Cygni with wheels, that's because it is. It's not a terrible plan, but it does have some serious Apollo Extension Series vibes.

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Finally a proper size comparison

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>>16115559
I also found this 1992 paper which puts a pressurized lunar rover with a 7m x 3m cabin at a bit over 6000kg
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar/documents/NTRS/collection2/NASA_CR_192034.pdf
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19940021211

>> No.16115570

>>16115513
>starship becomes yet another pencil rocket
I get that they all converge on this because it's the optimal thing to do, but it looks so shit. I hate the new flap shape as well.

>> No.16115574

>>16115566
>Apollo Extension Series vibes
Is that a bad thing?

>> No.16115576

>>16115513
Starship 3 looks like ass.

>> No.16115577

>>16115513
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>> No.16115578

>>16115513
Jesus fucking christ its hideous

>> No.16115579

>>16115576
Ass does not look like that

t.assman

>> No.16115581

>>16115574
It's not bad per se, but it's not likely to win many nationalism points with The Party if you set it side by side with HLS, let alone whatever permanent infrastructure Starship ends up being used to deploy. Why would Beijing fund a small lunar base when you could use that budget to finish the LM-9 and start whatever big projects that makes possible and leave the LM-10 as a vehicle for the initial flags-and-footprints missions.

>> No.16115584

>>16115576
>>16115521
>>16115570
I told you all it was a big mistake by musk not to raise the diameter when they switched to stainless and nobody listened. (they made the diameter so small ompared to 2016 version paurely because carbon composite was too difficult to work with).
and btw a pencil rocket has loads of disadvantages, the only reason f9 is thin is so it can be transported on roads, thats the only advantage. The disadvantages include higher dry mass for same amount of propellant, and less tolerance to windshear, which is a problem if you plan on launchign these daily.

>> No.16115586

>>16115513
Longstarship is long.

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>>16114806

>> No.16115589

>>16115513
Ditch the flaps on SS3—it doesn’t need to be recovered and should be optimized for maximum payload delivery to orbit

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>>16115513
Here's what 18m Starship will look like.

>> No.16115594

>>16114855
>gay post
>gay image
>gay poster
everything appears to be in order here

>> No.16115595

>>16115590
godsplan

>> No.16115597

>>16115047
You're a big guy for me

>> No.16115599

>20 years before one million pop on Mars

I was born to early fuck i be mid 50s boomer bros.

>> No.16115600

>>16115581
I'd say a small moon base is a hell of a lot better than no moon base when compared to whatever the Americans are doing at the same time. The main advantage of this plan is that it isn't tied to CZ-9 or YF-215 schedule and the inevitable delays they will suffer.

Also, getting down a base early means the second base they build with CZ-9 will be a lot more well-informed in its design and execution, and can avoid the snags and pitfalls that the first base will encounter.

> when you could use that budget to finish the LM-9
I think the problem is schedule, not money. Nine women can't make a baby in one month etc etc. Likewise Chinese engineers likely can't develop YF-215 and CZ-9 in much less time even if you bombard them with resources.

They're likely going to have a ton of excess YF-100 engine production capacity by the early 2030s anyway, so the opportunity cost of a few more CZ-10 launches might not be that high.

>> No.16115602

>>16115590
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eEfYJZgGv4

>> No.16115604
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>>16115513
They really should have gone with 12m lmfao

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>>16115506
It will be absolute kino.

>> No.16115609

>>16115581
>>16115600
Besides, I don't think the deputy chief designer of CMS would be presenting this plan at a nationally televised industry conference if the political leadership disliked it. So I think it's likely the plan has been given tentative thumbs-up from within the party

>> No.16115612

>>16115486
Only consumer GPS does that, so that it won't be trivial for a durka durka to slap one on a suicide drone. You also don't get altitude.
Of course SpaceX uses the pro shit.

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>>16115576
like thicc ass

>> No.16115615

>>16115480
>>16115479
very nice
>>16115491
raptor 3s look so much cleaner.... sovlfvl
>>16115495
>2.7m starlink customers
can someone find out how much that means they get per month?
>>16115513
almost double the prop payload is crazy. i also strangely like the longer ship, it looks really nice in a kind of goofy way.
>>16115540
>offshore launches are still in the plan
WE ARE GAAN
>>16115560
>moon is faster to iterate
so theyre gonna treat the moon as their testing grounds and then when the next hohmann transfer window comes around they will execute with their findings from the moon? i guess that gives the moon some actual use then, glad to see it but we should still focus on mars and other as primary destinations. the moon should be nothing more than that.
>>16115567
id like to see the starship 3 there instead of 1.
>>16115590
fake and gay
>>16115613
thats a couch fag. do you fuck couches?

>> No.16115620

>if booster hover in flight 4 goes well they'll try to actually catch it in flight 5
I don't think I saw anyone here saying they expected it that fast.

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>>16115479
>"It would be nice to use nuclear."
>"Nuclear would be very handy on Mars because you could use the heat and you can generate electricity."
Solarbros...

>> No.16115628

>>16115621
Not a competition, but an aux to solars. Solar is cheap both financially and economically. However nuclear may have some security benefits but its behind red tape and limited in quantity

>> No.16115629

>>16115621
why do people nag about how you need a space suit here? I will walk around outdoors for hours shirtless breathing from an oxygen tank to prove people wrong. I practice the wim hoff method

>> No.16115637

PressureFedCHAD called out Casey Handmer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kr1SRQn76o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kr1SRQn76o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kr1SRQn76o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kr1SRQn76o

>> No.16115641

>>16115090
he meant the morning of the starliner catastrophe

>> No.16115642

>>16115637
>faggot

>> No.16115644

>>16115629
Fucking sucks that Mars doesn't reach the armstrong limit. Would make things so much easier in general if it did.

>> No.16115646
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Battlestar Galactica

>> No.16115648

>>16115221
he barks at blacks
he's doing an excellent job

>> No.16115652

>>16115615
Kill yourself

>> No.16115655

>>16115620
I'd want to see it hover-splash at least two or three times before trying the chopstick catch.

>> No.16115658

>>16115652
the fuck did i do wrong?

>> No.16115661

>>16115542
I want to be in a comfy 10-starship fleet en route to Mars

>> No.16115663

beeg presentation. water boom good. grug happy.

>> No.16115666 [DELETED] 

China is building a "super factory" in Hainan for an output of up to 1000 satellites per year

https://weibo.com/5658451754/O8vFcgzVx

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where we droppin' boys?

>> No.16115674

>>16115609
That's not necessarily true. The LM-10 got pushed at a lot of conferences before it got approved. Conference hype is a good way for design bureaus to lay the groundwork for getting official approval.

>> No.16115680

>>16115672
felon husk's prison cell

>> No.16115682

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1776669097490776563
Did anybody watch this in full? Does he say anything new? Seems like the same old speech

>> No.16115684

I'm not calling it orbital refilling that sounds stupid

>> No.16115685

>>16115684
orbital remoisturizing

>> No.16115687

>>16115684
orbital gassing

>> No.16115688

>>16115674
>before it got approved.
As far as I understand, the way things work in China is that things are given formal approval after they have passed a lot of technical milestones. It's basically the green light to continue all the way into production. Formal approval is not the start of a project, it's something that happens mid-project at the point when it's about to start consuming large sums of money.

>> No.16115689

>>16115684
orbital top-up

>> No.16115690

>>16115682
Read the thread

>> No.16115692

>>16115684
orbital refueling

>> No.16115693

>>16115684
here

>>16115692
Perfect, this one. We'll use this one.

>> No.16115696

>>16115682
>2 towers in Boca Chica and 2 towers at the cape
>150m Starship V3
>200+ tons to orbit per launch
>5 refueling flights per ship launched to Mars
>going to try catching the booster of flight 5 if flight 4 goes well
>1 million people and several million tons on Mars for self-sustainability
>can achieve that in roughly 20 years
>also going to have permanent Moon base
>Starship can be used to get to anywhere in the solar system
>bunch of infrastructure requirements for Mars
>wants to have other companies trying to come in and build their own parts of the Martian system
>need to build several thousand vehicles per year
>sea launch platforms long term
>believes that there might be a lot of dead 1 planet civilizations

>> No.16115698

>>16115682
i watched it. allot of it is new stats on starship and goals, i.e. they will have a moon base, starship v3 images, landing parameters and other things like that, etc. there was also something that interested me in that they will be taking apart starships that land on mars and use the materials to make the martian base. eventually they will send them back to earth but it seems in the beginning they will be scrapping ships for the colonies buildings. offshore rigs are still on the table also btw.

>> No.16115700

>2 towers at the cape
>doesn't mention LC39A
>operational middle of next year
>when LC39A tower could be operational late this year

uh oh, 39A Starship bros I'm not feeling so good

>> No.16115701

>>16115684
Kek I agree. It’s extremely pedantic.

>> No.16115702

>>16115682
skip to about 22 mins for new stuff
>IFT 4 will try to simulate landing at a virtual tower. Real tower landing as soon as IFT 5 if successful.
>Elon says 80-90% chance they do a tower catch this year
>starship and raptor upgrades

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>>16115336
mogged

>> No.16115708

>>16115700
luckily they all died years back, boca chica is sovlfvl and was the correct decision.

>> No.16115714

>>16115708
no you idiot it will still be at cape but I'm worried this means they are waiting to get SLC-37

either that or
>1 tower at LC39A
>1 tower at SLC-37

>> No.16115718

so venus is basically never going to be in spacex's mind, does that mean only nasafags would even consider going there? also do you think they would treat io the same way or would it be different?

>> No.16115719

>>16115682
Basically:
>Musk is garbage at talking (free space)
>make life multiplanetary yadda yadda
>thrust numbers for raptor (see the slides)
>numbers for starship (see the slides)
>they want to get to a cost of 2-3 million dollars per starship v3 launch (I'll believe it when I see it)
>If all go well with IFT-4, they will try to catch IFT-5 booster
>the Ship will take longer
>moar launch towers
>offshore launch towers (long term)
for Mars
>goal is 10 launches per day, >200t to LEO per launch => 1.5Mt in LEO per Mars launch window / 250Kt to Mars for each launch window
>building 1000 Ships each year

>> No.16115721
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kek, 2 seconds of mention

>> No.16115726

>>16115721
Of all the pads SpaceX will ever build or has built none of them will be as obstructed as these

>think of the whales!

>> No.16115728

>>16115700
39A is the only place a tower could be operational at the cape in the next year

>> No.16115730

>>16115728
But they want to build two at the cape and have both operational mid-next year

>> No.16115731

>>16115726
>Think of the whales

Will be said by the same crowd that doesn't give a fuck about hundreds of thousands of ship propellers and water jets as well as commercial and military grade sonar that has already turned the ocean into the equivalent of living next to a section 8 crack house party 24/7.

>> No.16115732

>>16115719
No you fucking moron they said much later this year they would try not IFT-5 which if IFT-4 is in May they would do it in July. They still have to run Starship through a massive battery of tests to get their landing right in just the ocean, let alone doing pinpoint precision landings with mid air catches. Of course its not gonna be IFT-5 stop giving out this shit info

>> No.16115733

>>16115726
I wonder what's the lethal radius in the sea

>> No.16115734

>>16115726
Not to encourage the FAA types but there was an issue recently where blasting for pylon foundations for off shore wind was causing whales to beach themselves, and there have been restrictions for military sonar tests because of the same.

>> No.16115735

>>16115731
Yeah but in this case the sound of a rocket launch eclipses all of that and would travel further and possibly be more disruptive, its gonna be a hard NEPA battle

>> No.16115737

>fucking Greenpeace/etc gets involved and starts sending boats to the offshore launch pads to disrupt launches

oh fuck I am not ready for this shit

>> No.16115738

>>16115540
the ultimate flame trench

>> No.16115739

Starship 3 is legit disgusting, Falcon 9 proportions on a massive rocket that size, it looks awful, Starship 2 is just the aesthetic limit I can take

>> No.16115742 [DELETED] 

>>16115721
Still won't escape the Biden launch tax. The tax will just be changed to a launch platform docking and servicing tax (to help fund the Coast Guard)

>> No.16115745

>>16115540
>>16115721
Still won't escape the Biden launch tax. The tax will just be changed to a launch platform docking and servicing tax (to help fund the Coast Guard)

>> No.16115746

>>16115732
?
watch the fucking thing you retard

>> No.16115747

Crazy how Elon Musk's public speaking abilities haven't improved in the slightest since he announced ITS 8 years ago

They've gotten worse, if anything

Anyone care to summarize this? I can't stand listening to this bozo.

>> No.16115750

>>16115513
isn't it going to be significantly harder to land the taller it gets? Also SS1 already gave me concerns over being parked on the martian surface without a tower (wind). SS3 is going to be even worse

>> No.16115754

>>16115033
That would actually make frieren LESS likely to trust ULA. She holds grudges.

>> No.16115755

>>16115445
well self-sufficient might mean that there are enough people there that want to continue to build a mars colony to get it beyond the finish line in 20 years before civilization collapses on earth
so get a lot of stuff there so its done, has to be done quickly enough before musk is not around because nobody else has the combined willpower/resources to accomplish it and then after that even if societal collapse happens in 200 years or something, there is time for the mars colony to become fully self-sufficient
I would imagine becoming actually fully self-sufficient would be one of the number one priorities of the colony, also in a political sense
one common, clear mission everyone on the colony has

>> No.16115767

>>16115684
>>16115692
Its refilling. Mainly lox refill.

If you murder someone and then steal their candy, newspapers wont say you were put in jail because you stole a candy. You murdered someone. Thats the reason. Theft is aux.

>> No.16115772

>>16115479
just out of the blue lmao

>> No.16115775

>>16115767
but also CH4 which is a fuel, so refueling

>> No.16115782

>>16115704
wait what does the United States FAA have to do with licensing for Mahia Peninsula, New Zealand?

>> No.16115784
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there is no way this shit is not launching in may

>> No.16115788

>the launch sites we are building here [starbase] the cape and elsewhere will be key to that [making life multiplanetary]

so what will the third location be? Vanderberg Air Force Base in California?

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>> No.16115793

>>16115747
If you want a laugh, go check out any recent interview with Sam Altman, he is straight up copying elons retarded autistic speaking style now KEK

>> No.16115795

>>16115793
Or maybe he's dropped the mask

>> No.16115796

>>16115784
>>16115792
>May
Why not late April there's not much left to do, just stacc and launch fuck

>> No.16115797

>>16115698
> eventually they will send them back to earth
Eventually the dead space setting will be real

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>>16115726
let's see the greenie faggots try to march on *those* launch sites with their protest signs

>> No.16115803

>>16115798
>>16115737

>> No.16115805

> If the landing [of the booster] on the virtual tower on flight 4 works, we will try to land on the actual tower on flight 5

holy shit, just right away?
what the fuck, not even trying to get it right a few times
just instantly try to land on the tower after one successful water landing
holy shit

>> No.16115812

>>16115798
>theres planet noob
correct, terra is easy mode for noob civilizations. we need to go to mars and stop loitering doing nothing productive.

>> No.16115813

>>16115803
they already have experience dealing with boomer boats causing launch scrubs

>> No.16115815

>>16115805
> the odds of catching the booster this year is about 80-90%

>> No.16115816

>>16115796
true that mate

>> No.16115817

>>16115815
>this year
maybe for IFT-7, if IFT-5 and IFT-6 splash correctly
with the current cadence, IFT-8 might not be this year

>> No.16115819

>>16115805
they cant afford to waste one more rocket than they need to. thats a LOT of engines. SpaceX burns at least 2 bil a year on R&D and its not profitable, they are able to stay solvent because having the US launch monopoly and being a trusted hosuehold name means investors are willing to keep them afloat in funding round after funding round

>> No.16115821

>>16115788
Offshore launch sites

>> No.16115822

>>16115819
raptors cost like 35 cents a piece

>> No.16115830

FUCK VENUS, ALL MY BROS HATE VENUS

>> No.16115833

>>16115730
That's not what Elon said.

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>>16115188
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1776661820893450726

>> No.16115839

>>16115739
You are a nigger who only likes aesthetics and not the actual end result. It looks good anyways youre just a dumb nigger that doesnt like change. 200t to orbit reusable and you complain? Fucking useless nigger you will be riding in the back on the way to Mars IF AT ALL.

>> No.16115840

>>16115839
>riding in the back
so is that death by freezing in lox or death by propulsion?

>> No.16115846

>>16115838
>Krassenstein
Leave.

>> No.16115847
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16115847

>>16115838
That's quite the conditional.

>> No.16115848

If only they went with ITS size starship from the start

>> No.16115849

>>16115815
>The ship will take longer [to reuse]
>We will want to have at least two consecutive successes of a given design that lands in a specific point in the ocean before we try to bring it back on the launch site because we don't want to rain down debris onto Mexico or the US
>My guess is probably next year we will be able to reuse Starship
>It is highly likely we will be able to bring Starship to a controlled point in the ocean this year and have it land on a virtual tower in the pacific or the indian ocean
> we have already proved we can do the final phase of the bellylanding
>we just really need to be confident we can get through the high-heating portion of re-entry reliably, then we will bring the ship back and land on the tower

>> No.16115851

>>16115750
Martian wind can have have high speed, but because the atmosphere is so thin the actual pressure is extremely weak. (Basically the beginning of The Martian can't happen)
That said a longer Ship does mean less stability, which might be relevant for things like landing

>> No.16115852

>build the rockets here [starbase], test the rockets here, most of the operational launches will be from the cape

>> No.16115854

>>16115852
They are still limited in how many launches they can do from boca

>> No.16115855

>>16115848
thinner rockets are better.

>> No.16115856

>>16115847
Buying twitter was a step towards moving America in the right direction. Its important that we not lose sense of common sense and into the chaos of far left ideology that seeks to want to destroy modern civlization

>> No.16115857

>most of the ships will be used as raw material on mars

>> No.16115861

>5 or 6 refilling missions for every mission that goes to mars

>> No.16115862

>>16115861
Makes sense. Thats how much refuel is needed for Moon as well.

>> No.16115867

>aim to get the booster engines over 330 tonnes of thrust
raptor 3s are at 280 tf now
btw do raptor 3s exist yet? or are they on the design stage still
I don't remember seeing any or them being talked about as actually being in hardware form yet

>> No.16115871

>>16115867
Raptor 3s already in testing phase. Raptor 4-5 is already in design/planning stage.

>> No.16115872

>>16115871
Why are you bullshitting him?

>> No.16115873
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16115873

>>16115782

>> No.16115875

>>16115839
Don't care for muh autistic over-optimization payload to orbit focus, don't care about the Mars colony it will be hyper autistic anyways and have SpaceX's white/minimalistic aesthetic and feel too corporate

>> No.16115877
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16115877

the longer I look at it, the funnier it looks
like long cat
lmao
Musk even said it might be longer than that

>> No.16115879

>>16115875
faggot

>> No.16115880

>>16115877
it doesn't need to get wider unless there are more engines
but they engines are getting more powerful
what's your alternative? carry lead weights?

>> No.16115881

>>16115880
the engines

>> No.16115882

>>16115880
I'm not saying its bad, its based
but it just looks kind of funny

>> No.16115884

>>16115875
yep gtfo you stupid EDS nigger tranny. go dilate that rotting axe wound of yours, YWNBAW YWNBAM YWNGTS

>> No.16115885

>200 tonnes of useful payload per Starship to Mars + ship used as raw material

>> No.16115886

>>16115885
sounds like a grand old time, and they said theyre trying to drop the cost of moving to something anyone can afford if they save up. future is looking bright, especially for those working in the industry to go even sooner.

>> No.16115889

>>16115884
Not EDS but its funny you go there immediately as soon as I criticize a single thing

>> No.16115894

>>16115584
they can iterate on the thickness later and probably will, but its more important to get this version working first

>> No.16115895

>>16115889
>Don't care for muh autistic over-optimization payload to orbit focus, don't care about the Mars colony it will be hyper autistic anyways and have SpaceX's white/minimalistic aesthetic and feel too corporate
>I dont care about efficiency and the main purpose of SpaceX and will only target them in the minor point of contention of aesthetics since I cant attack anything else legitimately.
Yeah youre EDS kill yourself immediatly.

>> No.16115896

>>16115885
200 ton of stainless steel is quite a nice chunk to use as fabrication material.

>> No.16115898

>>16115889
>>16115875
>over-optimization
ULA shill spotted.

>> No.16115899
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16115899

>NUCLEAR WOULD BE NICE

>> No.16115901
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16115901

>>16115898
>>16115895
Enjoy your longship, this is the hell overoptimization will deliver

>> No.16115902

What's the benefit of thin and longer rocket exactly? Seems to me that they fucked designing starship in the beginning and now trying to compensate for it.

>> No.16115904

>>16115899
>deeper is better because you can use the atmospheric density to brake

>> No.16115905

>>16115902
thats what iterative design is all about anon.

>> No.16115906

Wtf, didn't we just get a starship presentation in January? Why is he doing another one? Pumping TSLA?

>> No.16115907

>>16115902
no advantages, massive downsides. Your inference is right. They undersized it because they were in design hell when trying to make it from carbon composite and the tanks kept failing.

>> No.16115908

>>16115877
WAIT EVERYONE LOOK AT THE HOTSTAGE RING FOR SHIPS 2 AND 3 THEY CHANGED IT TO N2 STYLE

>> No.16115909

>>16115905
Sure, but while they can make it longer easily it's pretty much impossible to make it wider at this point.

>> No.16115910

>>16115902
raptors have become so much better thrust-wise that that it makes sense to increase the mass each raptor is responsible for, i.e. make it longer so you get more mass to orbit

>Seems to me that they fucked designing starship in the beginning and now trying to compensate for it.
yes, but when they started this they didn't know how much raptors would improve
as long as it works, it doesn't matter if its long and thin, iteration on the diameter will be a much more substantial change due to having to change the launch towers completely, make the pad bigger, make all of the infrastructure you use to build them bigger
you would have to overhaul basically everything

>> No.16115915

>>16115906
that one was a spacex all-hands meeting, not really a starship presentation so much
not that much new info in that one other than v2 and v3 is coming
this one is specifically about making life multiplanetary, so talking about starship in depth and about mars as well, I think the last time this happened was like in 2017 or something

>> No.16115918

>>16115682
>no timer on slider so I can't see what fucking timestamp I'm at
>no quality adjust option so I'm annihilating my mobile data

I fucking hate this shit website fuck you felon huskrat

>> No.16115920
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16115920

>these are all the things that would have to be developed [for mars]
>people ask me are we developing these things
>not yet because this is the cart and we need the horse first
>I think this would open up a lot of opportunities for entrepreneurs that want to create things on mars
>whether that is iron ore refining, a pizza joint, a bar, there will be an opportunity to do all the things we like on earth, on mars

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>>16115918
no timer? are you retarded?

>> No.16115924

>>16115877
I feel like I remember a /sfg/ meme where the booster was longcat getting held by the tower. I don't have it saved anywhere, might have come to me in a dream.

>> No.16115927
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16115927

> a million tonnes to mars in about 8 years
>I think this is pretty doable and we are actually going to do this

>> No.16115928
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16115928

>>16115922
Yes I know I'm phonefagging but it's no excuse when 95% of that sites traffic is phonefagging

>> No.16115929

>>16115928
you are insane to watch anything with a phone, not to mention a 45 fucking minute long video
this is a you problem

>> No.16115930

>>16115929
Not everyone is a sweaty neet who can sit at their computer all day

>> No.16115933

>>16115930
theres something called waiting until you get home you fucking neanderthal.

>> No.16115937

>water tower
>water tower with nosecone
>starship
*You are here
>stretched starship
>stretched starship with longer flaps
>stretched starship with winglets
>starship spaceplane

>> No.16115938
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16115938

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1776737917026840921

>> No.16115940
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16115940

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1776737513627144443

>> No.16115941

>>16115927
snakeoil ol musk.
rememer when he was saying falcon heavy would fly to mars every launch window???

starshit will end up beign an expensive dildo satelite leo cosntellation deployer

>> No.16115944

>>16115941
are you drunk?

>> No.16115946

>>16115941
yup the ULA shill from earlier reveals himself as an EDSer like i said.

>> No.16115951

>>16115938
6,000,000 more beetles

>> No.16115954

>>16115944
>>16115946
no arguments just seethe. yes he did say falcon heavy would go every launch window.

>> No.16115956
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16115956

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1776738068105699616

>> No.16115958

shows starship 3 pencil rocket
>i suspectit will get even longer than this
what is he smoking lol. i couldnt stop laughing.

>> No.16115960

>>16115902
easier to hit the cervix, but less clitoral and labial stimulation

>> No.16115961

>>16115958
He said that like twice, what the fuck I hate it so much

>> No.16115964

>>16115961
kill yourself ULA shill I already btfo you earlier with your retarded 'i can only criticize aesthetics' bullshit. EFFICIENCY IS KING

>> No.16115967

>>16115961
its hilarious. i hope the hls variant is the same length, imagine how hard that ill be to land and keep upright kek

>> No.16115968
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16115968

I like the long Starship look better.

>> No.16115970

>>16115620
yes, very surprising but awesome

>> No.16115971

>>16115964
>EFFICIENCY IS KING

autistic unnecessary over-optimization

>> No.16115976
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16115976

>>16115877
They want to build a 12 meter vehicle and should actually do it.

>> No.16115978

>>16115968
Deranged

>> No.16115979

>>16115968
me on your right

>> No.16115985

>>16115672
Is that window realistic?

>> No.16115986

I don't think mars will ever happen. As earth starts to get shitter and shitter while thousands of starships fuck off every two years the crab bucketeering will become too much politically. At a minimum the pozzed government won't let any ship depart unless it has a perfectly balanced ratio of assorted brown people.

>> No.16115988

>>16115684
fuel + oxygen, not only fuel

>> No.16115990

>>16115976
Two whole cubic km...
Imagine

>> No.16115996

>>16115988
orbital refueling + orbital reoxidizering

>> No.16115998

>>16115988
It's all fuel nigga no one cares about that autistic shit

>> No.16116000

>>16115998
oxygen is not fuel

>> No.16116001

>>16115988
Orbital repropellenting

>> No.16116004

>>16116000
it's a component of fuel

>> No.16116005

>>16115532
shrewder observers figured out that the current starship couldn't get 100 tons to LEO back when elon first switched to the chopsticks for landing. there are other pretend numbers that get posted as fact on /sfg/ but i've given up arguing against them at this point.

>> No.16116007

>>16116005
they're all pretend numbers. from every company and every space program. when they say "this is the payload to leo" what they mean is "this would be the payload to an inch above the karman line if the payload coupler were strong enough to hold that much weight"

>> No.16116008

>>16115968
Mentally ill!

>> No.16116009

>>16115920
Nuclear nuclear nuclear nuclear

>> No.16116014

>>16116004
nope, I think you should brush up on middle school science

>> No.16116015
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16116015

https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/combst1.html

>> No.16116016
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>>16116009
I'm going to do it. I'm going to say the N word.

>> No.16116022

>>16116007
there are 3 kinds of numbers in view here. there are informed theoretical glosses, often optimistic assumptions about what something might be able to do while it's still in development. these are the sort of numbers elon and most startups put out, and they're not necessarily 'pretend' as much as there isn't a real rocket yet and you can't know until you build one. there are numbers used for mission planning - payload user guides, nasa c3 charts, which are "real" for any practical purposes. and then there are numbers that the internet made up because it'd be cool if they were true. astronautix is full of these. so is /sfg/.

>> No.16116026

>>16116007
Most figures I see specify the orbital parameters for the figures and they are usually some 250km×250km orbit.

>> No.16116027

>>16115696
this is a pretty good summary, one important thing missing is the two consecutive starship ship tests before they try to land one of them
also venus a shit

>> No.16116028

orbital recombustion

>> No.16116031
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16116031

>>16116014
>>16116015
that's funny because I have a slightly different chart

>> No.16116033

https://twitter.com/TurkeyBeaver/status/1776733746261061842

new droneship coming holy with another cool Culture name

>> No.16116035

>>16115927
If we believe their numbers, it means around $7-11B of launch cost per year

>>16115924
I remember a longcat/rocket hybrid, but I think it was older than starship

>> No.16116036

>>16116033
>holy
hopefully

>> No.16116039

>>16115732
I think you are confusing the booster and starship
if booster water landing goes well on IFT-4, they will try to land it on the tower on IFT-5 but Starship is going to need at least 2 successful water landings (and this for each major design iteration, so I guess when they switch to Starship V2 they are going to redo the 2 virtual tower landings on the ocean again before trying it on an actual tower and then again for V3)
the reason for 2 successful landings is so they don't rain blown up ship parts on US or Mexico, so I guess this is more about not getting delayed more than them actually being scared about the towers getting damaged by Starship

>> No.16116041
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16116041

>>16115877
Why don't they just boostermaxx?

>> No.16116043

imagine trying to land a pencil on mars

>> No.16116051

>>16115886
yeah and with a million people on Mars you probably don't have to be some super astronaut tier to actually go there (though you would probably have to have a bit of money saved up and be somewhat useful)

>> No.16116053

>>16115908
looks like they are ditching building it out of ring sections and just do thicker steel rods or something

>> No.16116060

>>16115986
they will allow people to pay to go, most won't want to
but I guess that isn't going to stop them trying to prevent others from leaving
one of the many reasons why buying twitter was so important

>> No.16116063

>>16115877
imagine where the lifting pins for the ship would have to go on 3
Shit's gonna look like it's waiting to fall off any second

>> No.16116067

>>16116043
I don't want to imagine it, I want to see it.

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16116071

>>16115924

>> No.16116072

>>16116053
they will import giant steel rods from japan and hollow them out at boca chica

>> No.16116073

>>16116035
>If we believe their numbers, it means around $7-11B of launch cost per year
how did you arrive at this number?

>> No.16116076

>>16116041
that would mean the ship needed to be even longer

>> No.16116085

>>16116073
10 (launch per day) * 365 (day per year) * 2/3 000 000

>> No.16116089

>>16116085
on top of that you would have the cost of the mars bound starships + the payload in those (200 tonnes of useful material)
20 mil per starship * 1000 = 20 billion
250k tonnes of useful material, maybe 10 bil?
so extra 15 bil per year about, 20-25bil per year in total
not sure starlink will be enough revenue for that

>> No.16116096

>>16115557
less than $250k. rockets are never going to match the efficiency of jet engines.

>> No.16116106
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Behold

>> No.16116108

>>16115940
he didn't say human. mars is for agis

>> No.16116109
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>> No.16116114

>>16115775
You're describing repropellanting

>> No.16116117

>>16116114
orbital repropellanting

>> No.16116118

https://youtu.be/FtfVgkgC3lk

>> No.16116120

>>16115805
No, Elon said at one point that they'll wait until they have a few successful non-landings (in a row?) before they try a catch because he doesn't want debris falling in the US or Mexico.
I hate regulatory agencies

>> No.16116121

>>16116118
fake Psalms 1:19
"the heavens declare the glory of God and the heavens sheweth his firmanenet"

>> No.16116125

https://twitter.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1776616580849266699

SpaceX's new program Bandwagon-1 is going to launch tomorrow.

>> No.16116126

>>16116125
HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
NOOOO

>> No.16116129

>>16116125
Tax the rocket launch
Tax the satellite deployments
Tax the reentry

Pay your fair share!

>> No.16116131

>>16115951
Just imagine. Mars awaits. A whole world with no beetles, birds, biden, bFAA, billegal bimmigrants or blacks.

>> No.16116136

>>16115968
The lives of a billion unbelievers are not worth a single test flight. (I like it, too.)

>> No.16116137

>>16116120
Of all the bullshit, this one is actually reasonable anon come on.

>> No.16116138

>>16115998
>non-autistic
sounds like earther talk

>> No.16116139

>>16116125
>It features 64 antenna elements increasing their capability by the factor 16, while only having a mass of 4 times of the original Centauri satellite.
so AI wrote this

>> No.16116141

>>16116137
a few mexicans getting showered with debris is a sacrifice I'm willing to make

>> No.16116142
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16116142

Eric Berger, I swear to god if you got this wrong I will drive to your house on my way home

>> No.16116144

so whats the difference between SSO and MIO in terms of stuff like things?

>> No.16116148

>>16116106

So they catch it over the launch mount after all.

>> No.16116153

>>16116120
That is for Starship, if Superheavy does its simulated landing correctly in flight 4 then in flight 5 they will try to catch it with the tower.

>> No.16116154

Suppose Elon has hit 1000 ships per year, so he has 2000 ships to make into A orbital refillers, B tankers, C passenger ships and D cargo ships.

I assume A < B < C < D, but what allocation is reasonable, and how many passengers and how much cargo will go on the first full fleet?

Given the emphasis on bringing the launch and hardware costs down, I assume costs will be dominated by life support and Mars-bound cargo. Are those costs still completely unknowable?

>> No.16116156

>>16116153
I see! Thanks!

>> No.16116162

when fat starship variant?

>> No.16116176
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1776776455634190703

>> No.16116179
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1776777441991889400

>> No.16116180
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1776782118456369428

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16116182

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1776782268465545240

>> No.16116188
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16116188

>>16113634
Is this accurate? AI summarized the pdf

>> No.16116189

>>16115930
get a better job or wfh poorfag

>> No.16116191

>>16115941
Hey Thunderf00t where is the new video buddy?

>> No.16116192
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>>16116188

>> No.16116195

>>16116188
yes

>> No.16116199

>>16115986
I think Elon knows it and that's the reason for the speed of development from the starship team. Things will get even rougher after a couple of elections. I'd want to go and stay in the moon, even as a low tier wagie. Like the miners in Klondike.

>> No.16116203

>>16116154
funnily enough, I was imagining $10 billion per year in launch costs before I saw this
>>16116180
Just as a ballpark figure, the ISS can hold ~10 people, so 1000 ships could easily take 10,000 passengers. Assuming they can be resupplied after 2 years, they need perishable for 20,000 man years and permanent infrastructure for 10,000.

Casey Handmer claims 10 tons of cargo needed per colonist, so that's 100,000 tons total of cargo, plus the fuel needed to land all that shit.

>> No.16116205

>>16116141
>"If the rockets blow up, who cares where they land? That's not my business."

>> No.16116208

>>16116203
Hell, even you can do a lot with just 1000 competent people. With 10000 you have a small town, enoigh for a colony to prosper if you do the things right. I think I might live until I see people on mars or the moon again. Nice

>> No.16116210

>>16116141
The chinks do it all the time

>> No.16116211

>>16115737
>launch regardless and drop the booster on them
"oops shouldn't have violated the NOTMARS

>> No.16116212

>>16116141
The Mexicans would actually prefer a debris shower. They get an opportunity to sell the stuff.

>> No.16116214

>>16116208
Since semen can be stored cryogenically, Mars doesn't even need a minimum population to avoid inbreeding. The colony just needs to be able to grow or manufacture everything it needs to become potentially independent.

>> No.16116215
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16116215

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVDef-iaLhg
T-30:00 until Elon continues to get away with it

>> No.16116216

>>16116212
true, kek
what do you think the chinese would pay for a kg of raptor scrap?

>> No.16116217

>>16116211
>NOTMARS
Correct this is Earth.

>> No.16116220
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16116220

>>16115513

>> No.16116221

I like starship 3, pencil rockets are cool. Y'all obsessed with chode rockets.

>> No.16116222

>>16116217
disgusting

>> No.16116226
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16116226

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZbRXT1_un8
AgniKul Cosmos is getting ready for a suborbital test launch

>> No.16116227

>>16115819
These will be "old" engines and boosters by the time they've launched, and certainly after adjustments are made for previous failures. It's sort of like how things were when SpaceX started expending pre-block-5 F9 boosters, except it's more like if these were the very very first F9s to ever land. Until they started getting comfortable with reuse, they were basically just free boosters for landing practice. Except now they will also need practice landings for the second stage as well.
And I think they've still got one or two boosters left before they catch up with the current design changes, because it's taken so long to launch them.

>> No.16116228

>>16116226
my ears

>> No.16116231

>>16116226
what language is she screaming?

>> No.16116232

>>16116205
That's pretty much Elon's whole business

>> No.16116233

>>16116221
I agree, it's about how you use it.

>> No.16116235

>>16115527
as elon stated, unnecessary pipes were deleted from the design and other external pipes get integrated into the core internal design

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>>16115958
>what is he smoking lol

>> No.16116237

>>16116226
>500 viewers
I think they noticed the bump in viewership from this thread, lol

>> No.16116239

>>16116231
I'd imagine it's Hindi, but they seem to love borrowing from English for random aerospace technical terms

>> No.16116241

>>16116232
The joke is that his business is in making rockets that don't blow up after use.

>> No.16116242

>>16116226
are guys hoping for a RUD?
what do you think the odds are?

this seems like a very small scale operation and it's India, so on that basis I'm expecting spectacular failure

>> No.16116244

>>16116235
also said its extremely difficult to manufacture now but better performance

>> No.16116246

>>16116231
kek, she's almost gagging on the microphone

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>>16116246

>> No.16116248

>>16116239
that's every Hindi speaker. they're buck broken

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>>16116242
Hard to say. I was hoping for a successful flight, but after hearing how hard they're hyping this test demonstrator up as "hyper revolutionary" and "market redefining" I'm starting to reconsider that.

Still, an independently developed liquid fuel engine is a good sign for the overall health of the Indian space sector.

>> No.16116252

How are they supposed to find all those people that can deal with being stuck on a ship with 100 people for several months? You can't just put 100 average joes on a rocket and fly them to another planet. I'm sure there would be a lot of people interested in going, but not everyone will be suitable psychologically

>> No.16116254

>>16116252
I don't think it's going to be 100 people per rocket. They need life support, food and fuel to land on Mars, so say nothing of room to move around.

>> No.16116256

>>16116254
to* say nothing of room to move around

>> No.16116257

>elon had a mars speech today
give me the tl;dw ver of the mars plans. i heard the landing site and name of the base was announced? and what it looks like?

>> No.16116259

>>16116252
with 1 cubic kilometer of pressurized volume each passenger can have 10 million cubic meters of space to themselves, or a cube with edges 215 meters long

>> No.16116260

>>16116257
none of that is accurate lmao
the characteristics of the landing site was talked about in general terms and what the base needs
moon base alpha was mentioned but that has been mentioned before
a pretty good summary of the talk is here >>16115696

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>> No.16116263

>>16116254
Even then, they keep saying like yeah we'll send thousands of ships there and there will be lots of people, but who are all those people going to be? Running a pizzeria or whatever on Mars, who's the pizza parlor that is mentally fit to live on a tiny colony in a death trap wasteland. Maybe if they can just do like six month stays

>> No.16116265

>>16116247
pajeeta my beloved

>> No.16116267

>>16116265
imagine the smell

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16116268

Well

>> No.16116269

SCRUB and now I want garlic naan and curryt

>> No.16116270

>>16116263
A pizza shop won't come until the colony is already fairly sizable.

>> No.16116273

>the moon and other airless worlds need starships with landing legs
why even use the catching arms then? just make them all use landing legs.

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another landing
bit of propellant left burning afterwards

>> No.16116275

>>16116273
Rapid reuse + more mass to orbit

>> No.16116276

>>16116263
>but who are all those people going to be?

Workers. A whole shitload of work to be done and science faggots don't have the constitution for hours long consteuction shifts in surface suits. There's not going to be any pizzerias or Mars bars for a long while. Well actually I suppose someone will start moonshining as soon as it's feasible so the mars bar might happen fairly soon and a small informal economy will start from there and expand. Despite what Elon say I really don't think many people will be coming back even if there is the option, it just doesn't fit the profile of the kind of person who would consider a hazardous 6 month long space journey in the first place. It's not like an oil rig where you get boated or flown out in a day or two.

>> No.16116278

>>16116276
i just think itll be like colonization of the new world. Barely anyone came back. They stayed and made the best of it.

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wish they stuck with that sunset shot a bit longer before cutting to the onboard desu

>> No.16116280

the feds are refusing to give mars nuclear power because they dont want the rebels to have nuclear bombs

>> No.16116281

>>16116278
Wow, Elon is actually posting on /sfg/.

>> No.16116283

>>16116273
I think the idea is to eventually build catching mechanisms on the moon and mars

>> No.16116286

>>16116283
>cant land anywhere you want
cuckship

>> No.16116288

>>16116286
Correct, you put the catching mechanisms anywhere you want

>> No.16116291

>>16116278
>>16116276
Yeah but they were colonizing Earth, with oxygen and nature and stuff. Plus their home was probably some shitty shack with nothing, so building a new home on a new continent wouldn't be bad anyway. You go to Mars, you'll just be stuck indoors all the time, who are the workers that are going to leave behind their families, hobbies, Youtube and internet porn to live in a pod. The more people go there, the less special it'll seem too, so there won't even be that wow factor anymore like damn I'm on a different planet, it'll just be mundane but shittier than living on Earth

>> No.16116292

why is spacex so stupid and bad that they can't do RTLS starlink missions?

>> No.16116293

>>16116291
You just don't get it. Stay here sad little crab.

>> No.16116300

>>16116273
landing them on a launch tower means that you don't have to take the time to put them on a launch tower later, you just inspect, refuel, and launch

>> No.16116303

>>16116302
>>16116302
>>16116302

>> No.16116304

>>16116292
RTLS means they (usually) have to pay more to use the landing pad. Launching starlinks is a lot like shitposting, you don't need to do it perfect every time.

>> No.16116307

>>16116293
I don't see a lot of people clamoring to work on a submarine, oil rig or Antarctica either. Ordinary people aren't that adventurous and just want to live comfortably. Someone might go work on an oil rig because the pay is better than whatever other job they would be able to get, but I doubt it's their passion to live on an oil rig. Seems like the target audience for Mars would be people that have no other prospects, but they're probably not the best candidates for that sort of thing

>> No.16116330

>>16116307
maybe in 60 years when space travel will become the norm, but now? you could easily get competent people who want to go to the damn moon or mars and stay there for good without looking out of the US.

>> No.16116630

>>16115877
I thought it was a mockup someone did, I didn't realise it was real.