/sci/ - Science & Math

:D spaaaace

I agree with the previous anon

I disagree with the previous anon

mm nyo

Any gore anons?

>>16102693
Space gore obviously, Challenger and Columbia reenactments, maybe that guy that burnt to a crisp?

>>16102693

>>16102699
fug

>centauri
coaly star kys

>>16102693

>>16102693

>>16100118
God won't let earth be destroyed, and if he does he wanted it to happen so it's wrong to try to avoid that ending. He said to multiply and replenish the earth, not the fucking universe. For god so loved the world he gave his only begotten son, who died for the sins of the world. If you sin off planet Jesus did not die for you and you are doomed to rot in hell. Besides how are you going to pray towards Mecha if your spinning in orbit?

>>16100118
God won't let earth be destroyed, and if he does he wanted it to happen so it's wrong to try to avoid that ending. He said to multiply and replenish the earth, not the fucking universe. For god so loved the world he gave his only begotten son, who died for the sins of the world. If you sin off planet Jesus did not die for you and you are doomed to rot in hell. Besides how are you going to pray towards Mecha if your spinning in orbit?

>>16102693
Joe Lieberman is dead.

>>16102742
Fuck off with that leave that derailment in the other thread. I rushed the thread to page 10 staging so we could start talking about rockets again and SPECIFICALLY avoid that off topic shit.

>>16102742
Precisely coordinated gyroscope prayer rooms that always point at the mecca. More accurate than anything on earth as you can move more freely in 3d space to point directly at it rather than handwaving away the curvature of the planet.

>>16102748
hacking the sandscopes to point at Rome instead

>>16102748
The Goyim will get their own separate living quarters in that case.

Wow I get here giddy for a new thread and its immediatly ruined. Thanks guys, and thanks janny for being dead.

>>16102747
are you retarded? that never fucking works

>>16102693

>>16102780

>haha bro just pave the planet with solar
>no don't count on Starship making orbital solar/compute launch cheaper than buying land by the square degree that would be silly
Casey is falling into the Tory Bruno trap of shit talking SpaceX to promote his own business.

https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2024/03/12/how-to-feed-the-ais/

>>16102784

uh-oh shartship bros
this doesn't look good for us >>16102790

>>16102793
At least wait until it drops a couple pages before you come here to shill your shitty bait thread

>>16102787
>Casey is falling into the Tory Bruno trap of shit talking SpaceX to promote his own business.
People are very good at not getting things when their livelihood depends on it.
>>16102789

>>16102801
Does anyone have a webm of Firefly Alpha's tumble and FTS?

Soyuz-2.1b in the arms of Baikonur
In the Kazakh steppe, the gates of the assembly and test building opened at the first ray of the sun and the rocket with Resurs-P No. 4 on board went along the rails to the launch pad.
We are enjoying the atmosphere and waiting for the launch on March 31 at 12:36:45 Moscow time!

And Angara is on a launchpad of Vostochny cosmodrome. Launch April 6-10

>Starbase launch pad 1 will be scrapped

>>16102812
Says fucking who

>>16102787
casey knows the cost of Starship, land is cheap, you're dumb

>>16102693

>>16102819
shut up Crappy Handjob

>>16102793
oh shi-

>>16102822
Delete this, it is offensive to my people.

>>16102817
https://x.com/Alexphysics13/status/1773480226950889902?s=20

Remember all the stacking issues they had with IFT-3?

https://x.com/JoeTegtmeyer/status/1757406614477266983?s=20

>Improperly built/rebuilt pad sinking into the marshlands
>Second pad being built (rushing this one too)

Can you reply without sounding like an angry muskrat?

>>16102853
They'd just replaced the stabilizer arms on the chopsticks after IFT-2 with new parts; I'm pretty sure they were just dialing the new arm bits in, because the issues did not persist.

>>16102853
>Can you reply without sounding like an angry muskrat?

Yes.

>>16102853
>When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a launchpad on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest launch pad in all of Texas.

>>16102865
kek

>>16102693

https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1773586511671198079

On boeings leadership culture, engineers were thought to be fungible, experience overrated
Explains a lot

>>16102787
The world will be utterly enveloped and it will be fucking glorious

>>16102853
Are you retarded?

>>16102971
>try not to sound like angry musk fanboy
>fails

>>16102978
I don't care how I sound like to a retard, what you posted was fucking retarded

>>16102848
Can you elaborate please?
Who are your people?
This is sad. What happened to the person on the bench?

>>16102853
Is there a single proof? All I have seen is useless rambling on xitter or nsf.

is it possible to learn this power?

>>16103148
It was staged

>>16103148
>>16103149

This was the most rare shot ever made, probably impossible to replicate. They didnt even know it was gonna launch

>>16103148
not from a jedi :D

>>16103153
They did know.

>>16103159
They didnt.

>>16103160
Wrong.

>>16103165
you are wrong.

>>16103159
Who is "they"? because this is a well known fact. it gets posted on Reddit every week. it's next f*cking level: https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/y5leyl/james_burke_made_this_perfectly_timed_shot_on/

>>16103175
it was an insane shot because nobody knew apart from james burke. thats a well known fact.

https://twitter.com/austinbarnard45/status/1773705719470055523

>>16103213
what onboard views could there even be that weren't shown on the broadcast?

>>16103153
He knew it was going to launch. He didn't know if it was going to scrub.

>>16103216
Except it was done in 1 take, so he knew it wouldnt scrub. if it scrubbed it would take 2 takes minimum

>>16103215
There are cameras inside the hull watching where the plasma cuts through

>>16103175
Kill yourself teddit nigger RIGHT FUCKING NOW YOU RUIN EVERY THREAD YOU EVER ENTER JUMP OFF A BRIDGE WITH A BUNGIE CORD AROUND YOUR NECK YOU BLACK BASTARD

>>16103233
I'm a girl, so be polite

>>16103233
go back, /pol/troon
>>16103241
ywnbaw

>>16103241
Dilate tranny YWNBAW

>>16103246
>>16103248
I love taking big cocks in my ass. Jealous?

>>16103249
SHOW YOURSELF MOUNTAIN OF A MAN I KNOW ITS YOU

>>16103213
Austin is a budding tranny screenshot this and look back in 4 years
>Verification not required

>>16103255
The fuck are you talking about?

>>16103263
Did I accidentally post in Spanish or something, you fucking idiot?

The Mars Aptitude Test will just be a tiny little potted plant. You just have to keep the plant alive for a year and a half. If you fail, you get blacklisted from going to space altogether.

>>16103269
Lo siento, no hablo inglés.

>>16103252
I am not he, but I wouldnt mind taking him inside

>>16103213
In general, there must be a shitload of amazing videos in some SpaceX internal server

>>16103241
tits or gtfo

>>16102812
It will be upgraded to the new design (used at the second tower and Florida) once the second tower is operational.

>>16103215
video of the secret crew of black african pygmies being destroyed as the vehicle disintegrated

>>16103296
>the pigeon video

>>16103215
Probably inside the starship engine bay to monitor hotstaging. Apollo 6 tier kino you don't get to see because of ITAR

>>16103358
Maybe apollo 4 is more appropriate

>>16103358
Funfact: the Apollo 6 command module is owned by one of the Atlanta area's school districts

>>16103369
Forgot pic

https://prospect.org/infrastructure/transportation/2024-03-28-suicide-mission-boeing/

BOING!!

>Title: Suicide Mission
Accurate in more ways than one. Company is effectively dead at this point and it is a lumbering corpse kept alive by government money

>>16103381
Nvm, the site is leftist communist propaganda. So they're promoting the failure of Boeing as anti-communist drive.

>strip down a super heavy booster with reduced engines and removed gridfins.
>50 tons to LEO

completely obscene.

>>16103392
>non-reusable SSTO
worthless

>>16103401
>Use docking mechanisms and orbital refueling ports as payload.
>Dock with Starship in orbit.
>Refuel both stages.
>Use full stack's worth of Delta-V on orbit for truly gratuitous C3

>>16103402
The boosters performance would be significantly reduced due to its sea level engines, you might as well just use a normal booster to launch a tug.

>>16103405
A few seconds of lost specific impulse doesn't magically turn a tug that fits in a 250 ton payload envelope into a superior option to 3000 tons of methalox.

>>16103409
Your container for that 3000 tons of methalox fits in the 250 ton payload envelope.

>>16103401
>>16103392
A “non-reusable SSTO” is, in essence, the same philosophical idea as a “partially-reusable TSTO”
I would include Falcon 9 and Shuttle into this definition btw

>>16103414
With dubious margins, and it's already expendable, so you might as well have the thing launch itself.

https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1773716952881525096

>>16103456
kino jap scamming.

>>16103478
Only if
>no refunds
instead of full refunds.

>>16103479
obviously musk wont refund him. hes already spent the money lol.

so this means the estronaut moon trip might happen after the first people land on mars
lol
makes sense though

>>16103215
To start with, think of all the different views that were seen during the broadcast, then consider that internally, they almost certainly have continuous video of all of them.

>>16103483
Currency, when not exchanged, is the very definition of a fungible commodity.

https://spaceexplored.com/2023/11/14/dearmoon-benefactor-shares-delay-to-its-starship-mission-which-we-all-saw-coming/

article from November 2023

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1773714322541232302

>>16103456
whats with the relationship drama shit? maybe musk doesn't want his feed full of random shit in Japanese. has absolutely no bearing on dearmoon

>>16103498
Kek Tory cant even launch his old crusty and musty rogget correctly even on its last flight. The absolute state of oldspace

>>16103508
because of weather, not because of anything with the rocket. but you knew that already baito-san

>>16103513
>weather
LMFAOOOOOOOOO

>>16103508
The nitrogen gas feed system was malfunctioning as well, and its the reason they aren't making an attempt until Monday at the earliest.

>>16103513
>scrubbed due to an issue with the gaseous nitrogen pipeline which provides pneumatic pressure to the launch vehicle systems

https://x.com/StephenClark1/status/1773431911991386263

>The Delta 4 final launch, Atlas is nearly dead, SLS barely launches, shuttle has been dead for a decade, Antares is dead
The American empire is failing

>>16103494
dont play stupid, everyone knows he will not refund him.

>>16103529
>everyone knows
Go fish somewhere else.

>>16103456
And yet Elon is still following Dear Moon, it's almost like the grifters are doing engagement bait.

>>16103533
These payments are structured as Kickstarter almost, provided there was a "good faith effort" there won't be any refund
Goy

>>16103535
>almost

>>16103528
This is a subtle ploy to assert Falcon 9 is not an American rocket.

>>16103533
honestly baffling that you think im trolling. Clearly SpaceX won't suddenly hand over 1.5 billion to this guy. Near 100% certainty it was in the contract that he will never see the money again

>>16103528

>>16103544
Since you've hard-equated not following Maezawa with cancellation, yeah, you really are.

>>16103528
>SLS barely launches
Go bite another pillow to accompany your sweet summer wine, eurofag

>>16103513
lol, lmao even

>>16102693

>>16103528
cope

>>16103587
is this SLIMs sock?

Interesting view of the inside of Starship tank on IFT-3, showing the leak.

>>16103587
SLIM NO YOU'RE GOING TO BE CANCELLED

What does Black Science Man (TM) say about Martian colonization? Is his attitude different towards Lunar colonization?

>>16103603
And janny will do nothing. The absolute state of this board.

>>16103603

>>16103603
That's a Falcon 9 second stage's LOX tank and Krystal porn.

>>16103612
>>16103611
>>16103610
Im assuming we've all hit the 3 dots next to that post correct?

>>16103559
SLS's launch cadence is measured in years, even Delta IV managed to average once a year.

>>16103616
did that just now

>>16103612
First it's cold, then it's hot.
That is indeed how the combustion cycle of liquid oxygen goes.

SECURE THE BORDER!

>>16103655
lmao so she really is just eyecandy. kinda based ngl

It's only been two weeks since IFT-3. How many 2 + weeks are left to IFT-4?

>>16103697
probably 2-4
IFT-4 will probably launch in late april or may

>>16103603
thank you anon, it’s been a while since I’ve seen a good old fashioned honest to god krystal post.

now that dear moon is kill, is isaacman's polaris starship mission still on the table? or is that going to be kill too?

>>16103726
They already cancelled Starship altogether; they’re bulldozing Starbase as we speak!

>>16103726
>now that dear moon is kill
?

>>16103215
didn't Elon mention having infrared cameras inside the tanks to monitor hotspots?

>Elon is starting to cancel contracted starship launches
lol musk bros?? how concerned should we be???

Did I hear right? Elon Musk said to Maezawa-san "You suck" in an X direct message and then they unfollowed each other? Why would Elon say that to the man who paid for the whole program?? Fucks sake

>>16103603
>Krystal posting in gifs
Truly, nowhere is safe

>>16103737
elon's twitter account is no longer following maezawa's twitter account
that's literally it

Friday-Weekend /sfg/ sucks

>>16103603
I wish this one had a cock in her pussy too

>>16103603
anal is absolute vile and disgusting lol

>>16103603
thanks doc

>>16102699
>>16102705

>>16103770
Honestly, how big of a burger was this? Surely the sustained g-forces at launch would be a greater stressor compared to a quick impact. I mean, it crushed some of it, but structurally speaking it should be fine? The rest is just oldspace grifting for repairs.

>>16103777
We are talking old space here, the entire satelite was most likely taken apart and most of it was replaced.
(on paper)

>>16103760
Yesterdays /sfg/ was about as bad as this one so far

>>16103760
It's the time when the /sfg/ anons with families are occupied and the autists&trolls remain.

>>16103790
Id hate to be you.

>>16103795
Somebody needs to stay behind to keep the lights on.

>>16103799
I should get a job

>>16103799
Hang yourself

>>16103799
Beautiful depiction of forbidden love

>>16103831
Your life is shallow.

>>16103777
>Surely the sustained g-forces at launch would be a greater stressor compared to a quick impact.
falling on the floor can subject points of an object to hundreds or even thousands of gees for a split-second. there are roller coasters out there that give you higher g-forces than a rocket launch but you're not gonna break your phone screen riding on one of them.

>>16103831
it's a short love.
But most importantly, i normaly only use these pics to spam HOP WHEN??!!!

>>16103422
>dedicated deep space variants
Neat, I don't think they really talked about this before, even if it's the most sensible and obvious way to send stuff BLEO
Next thing is making a (refuellable) tug with big tanks and one raptor.

>Three scheduled Falcon 9 launches in a sub-five-hour window

>>16103913

>>16103919
>Janky and poorly designed
>Better launch success rate than almost the entirety of the space industry
You're not making the point you think you're making.

>>16103922
Not "almost." The Falcon 9 block 5 has the best reliability rating of any launch vehicle, past or present.

Anyone else shitting bricks about SpaceX/Musk? I dedicated my life savings to going to Mars but now he's going full Howard Hughes?

>>16103937
you're not and you didn't

>>16103941
This

>>16103937
This

>>16102693

>>16103587

>>16103358
>you don't get to see because of ITAR
Nah, they're just pussies and don't want to show it because muh proprietary info even though hot staging is nothing new

>>16102693

>>16103919
Yes, we see all those aborts and failures on these launches.

>>16103984

>>16103919
What manner of incandescent cope will this man radiate when an astronaut snaps a hilltop selfie with HLS in the background

potentially three Falcon 9 missions within 5 hours of each other
Sat

>>16103937
You're just whiny.
Hughes went insane and reclusive and started keeping his toenails in jars, Musk woke up and realized that he hadn't been properly leveraging his wealth, sociopolitically. He also correctly identified the right-wing overcorrection that's rapidly approaching and began distancing himself from the left by dismantling the single biggest censorship apparatus and employing some strategic schmoozing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeCI1B-0Jkc
>Space Tug Or Not

It's a long waaayyyy to Phlegra Montes,
It's a long waaayyyy to goooo!

>>16104004
He'll just ignore anything that undermines his ability to be snide and dismissive

>>16104007
That particular spaceflight revolution is so passé, I'm just here for the next one.

>>16102693

>>16103249
Your bussy belongs to Tory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILokk4AloUo
>Ship 29 Completes Its Static Fire Tests! Up Next: Orbit! - Starbase Gallery [Mar. 20th - 28th, 2024]

>>16103764
facts

>>16103919
>It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it

>>16103919
keeek he's obsessed

>>16104011
to me, if its not a reusable, permanently in space craft then its not a space tug. like if its a lunar tug going from LEO to LLO taking smaller craft with it then thats a tug in my eyes.

>>16103919
concern troll is concerned

What industries will be possible in 10+ years after it is cheaper to put things in space

>>16104152
>in space manufacturing: semiconductors, high grade alloys
>in space pharma: growing high purity crystals of certain drugs
>in space health: 3d printing organs
>in space tourism
>research and development of space technology in orbit
in addition to all the stuff we have now with military/civilian earth observation and telescopes.

>>16104152
Offshore datacenters in space. These are also likely to be the first satellites to get point defense lasers capable of burning through an antisatellite missile to keep cranky governments from deorbiting them.

Imagine it.

>>16104152
Nothing because freefall manufacturing is a larp

>>16104191
All negatively convection sensitive materials will turn out better in microgravity, including a lot of organic synthesis.

>>16104193
>negatively convection sensitive materials
Name three

>>16104197
Souffles will never collapse in zero g

>>16104009
The Hughes comparisons were valid maybe 5 years ago, but Musk singlehandedly breathed new life into an industry that had been moribund for a generation. Aviation would have exploded regardless of whether there'd been a Howard Hughes or not.

>>16104152
Space is just a distraction and a very expensive excuse for war profiteering.

>>16104239
If war profiteering makes us multiplanetary, sign me up

>>16104169
in space tourism and selling tickets to a martian colony (plus taxing the settlers for everything on the colony and tariffs on sellers from earth once they get big enough) would be the main 'industry'. medical industry stuff is gonna be a meme for a long time unless an actual factory is set up and not just some shitty capsule that goes to orbit once makes a few then comes down. orbital powerstations i feel could make a killing if you can just get that much power. p2p flights is a total meme. mining asteroids will be a legitimate business for specifically off planet in orbit stations to make them massive or en masse for cheap (or literally just make your own fucking moon to live on near mars or ceres or some shit). once colonies become big enough again the industry of off planet shipping is a big one, and that would also include fuel shipments from titan to anywhere in the system for methalox rockets (literlaly only starship) and water exports from enceladus/europa will also be big.

>>16104197
The transitional phases between Austenite and Martensite alloys. Fluoride glass. Three-dimensional cultured cell structures.

>>16104250
If you go to any other planet in such primitive state you will end up fucking up that other planet as well.

>>16104257
oh im taking structure and properties of materials right now, theres pearlite, bainite, cementite, ferrite (sometimes proeutectoid i think), spheroidite if you pearlite for 24 hours at temp, tempered martensite if you want to count that, and i think thats all i remember

>>16104269
>planet
Why stop there?

>>16104180
what a depressing landscape

>>16104301
You're right, it needs a Whataburger.

Orbital Queef

>>16104152
im still waiting for satellite servicing to take off

>>16104193
>>16104200
I hate entropy so much bros

>>16104304
Orbital Beef

>>16104197
>he doesn't know about Auntie Carmack's Spherical Muffins

>Baby, I got a plan
>Run away fast as you can

>>16104169
>semiconductors
lmao
the alloys maybe I guess but is there a point to doing it in space?

https://vocaroo.com/1buCKiN7dV9t

Suno.ai

Make some music about Spaceflight

>>16102805

>>16104351
Based, thanks Anon

>>16104317
I don’t even want to imagine a time frame for a mission as simple as this. Even if they were halfway through building it right now, I don’t think we’d see it in our lifetimes hahah

>>16104336
Retarded pseud

>>16104336
silicon wafers are crystals. the crystals grow to a certain size before breaking because of torque from earths gravity. in microgravity they can grow indefinitely.
profit.

>>16104376
Wait i’m nta but is torque really the problem?? I’ve never heard that before that’s interesting

Not gonna be much Starbase action going on for a while, the next major test up would be B11 static fire but OLM is currently under going work. Unironically two weeks.

>>16104390
May or June at best

>>16104393
May 4th

>>16104376
Silicon wafers are staying at 300mm because the investment needed to pay for 450mm wafer infrastructure would leave TSMC, Samsung, and Intel as the only people who could actually make chips because nobody else could afford the equipment. The equipment itself would take decades to pay off. The economics of handling large silicon killed large silicon, not the engineering.

>>16104393
May at best. June is assured launch. And May isnt even that bad of a chance, it would be on pace with the 6 week estimate. This time they dont have nearly as much paper work to do since they got to the point where no manor deviations to path happened.
>>16104398
>Le funny søy wars date
Time to dilate your axewound

"Ascension Island is a small island in the south atlantic belonging to the British
Charles Darwin and Joseph Dalton Hooker decided, for a laugh, to slap plants on that bad boy from every corner of the globe to see what would win out
They turned the desolate island mountain into a lush cloud forest and provided a reliable source of rainwater"

What's gonna be Ascension island of spaceflight?

>>16104419
First of all, learn to greentext. Second, if anything probably either underice Europan colonies or Martian lava tubes that have been domed in to make one massive hab.

Are there any known cave systems in Europa that we could possibly take advantage of?

>>16104428
>ssto
alright gramps time to go get your prune juice

>>16104427
It has many vertical 200 meter cliffs

>>16104428
>tubecuck spacecraft

If you think about it the ISS is just many interconnected tubecuck cells.

>>16104439
it will be superceded by superior commercial space stations.

>>16104444
something kind of lewd about this 2bh

>>16104180
I want to terraform the moon.

>>16103937
Mars is a waste of time anyway. Venus is the only planet suitable for long term human colonization because muh near Earth-normal gravity desu.

>>16104009
go look up what age hughes started doing that shit and you'll see exactly how long musk has left. look at hughes behaviors for the 3 years before he jumped the shark. literally identical brain patterns

With all the agitprop in this general lately, someone's feeling pressured.

>>16104428
love designing an orbital rocket with 10kg of margin to spare

Arrest and execute all the people who spread these obvious lies for sake of tenure. FUCK ACADEMIA WITH AN IRON ROD

>>16104481
>suggest
>might
>maybe
>or
>may
I'm inclined to agree

>>16104481
>wow this rubble is slightly wet
>lets indicate literally everything it could be without any supporting evidence of which is more likely
>come on guys you need to fund The Science (TM) so we can keep this gravy tra- i mean this university going
there are times when academia is good, and times when it is bad. this is very obviously the latter

>>16104009
what's the connection between Hughes and Musk?

>>16104480
Imagine a heavy lunch being the difference between orbit and a failure

https://youtu.be/EsUBRd1O2dU?si=hj8p1mZ0wd8G2Syz
Ok guys check THIS $H%@#!T out

>>16104514
Just brap it out for the thrust

>>16104476
What are these brain patterns exactly?
Juat repeating this doesnt make it so, i dont think they have much common at all

Hughes QRD?

>>16104553
Off topic

Can someone give me more propellant balls images?

i robot x ghost in the shell, but on mars. the animated movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okQT4Sk4e8Q

>>16104582
>From Jérémie Périn
Of course

>>16104553
howard hughes wikipedia

>>16104582

>>16104169
>semiconductors
no chance with how much (clean) water the fabrication process requires

Reminder that aliens have probed our solar system in 2017 and the armada is coming.

>>16104618
>jet exhaust blowing directly on the vertical stabilizer
wew, lmao

>>16104553
his company was a major player in spaceflight history. they made early commsats like telstar and syncom, the surveyor probes, and the first commercial payloads to be both launched and retrieved by shuttle. greg jarvis who died on challenger was a payload specialist from hughes.

>>16104177
Wouldn't data center waste heat be a bit of an inconvenience in space?

>>16104670
We will use Starship + Helios to intercept them

>>16104670
>>16104697

>>16104698
There is always the "if we cant have it, nobody can" route and we burn earth and take as many of the xeno fuckers down with us as we can.

>>16104152
Communications, observation and navigation, same as today, except on a far greater scale, and with more advanced and diverse systems

Space-based solar power - less of an intermittency problem, and without needing to build long high voltage transmission lines. The Chinese seem particularly enthused about this prospect for some reason

>>16104670
They lost interest after they confirmed that our system is void of intelligent life

>>16104697
Helios can only boost something like 450g from LEO to GEO lol...

>>16104670
They lost interest after they confirmed that our system is devoid of intelligent life

>>16104706
So your saying we need to build nukes that weigh 450grams?

>>16104706
4000kg, retard.

>>16104615
>thousand year project
Why are people so fascinated with the creation of an Earth copy that will never be good enough? Doming and digging would give results faster, the supply would be scalable to demand, and the end result would be better. Not to mention that the result would probably be a lot more predictable with less potential for nasty surprises that throw a spanner in the works

>>16104695
A bit, but once you get to measuring solar panels in square kilometers, pairing that with radiators isn't so hard. Immersion cooling per rack should make it feasible.

>>16104444
Do the new “suitport” style space suits have a simple water-cooled garment layer?
These things are surely pretty easy to slip in and out of, I’d imagine. No pre-breathing, no complicated cooling layer (hopefully), just get in seal up and detach

Is this Russian SSTO BS still ongoing? I fail to see the point of an SSTO

>>16104720
if you’re asking if it’s ever going to advance past the powerpoint stage then the answer is no

>>16104720
>hydrologgs aerospike SSTO
Are they trying to do Venture Star 30 years late?

>>16104720
Russia is sending it's planes to india to be maintained, they are not a nation that can build anything new anymore.

What made the Russians wake up one day and say "what we should do is spend resources on a Soyuz replacement that can carry far more people than we have any use for and is way too fat for the Soyuz-2 launcher, however we should not develop a Progress replacement that would let us actually retire the Soyuz-2 and Soyuz bus"

>>16104721
Of course not. Though I don't understand how it can even still exist as a powerpoint rocket in this day and age

>>16104725
The Corona project started in 1992, and for some reason it apparently isn't fully and properly dead yet

>>16104728
They actually do have a replacement! I can’t remember the name off the top of my head though.

>>16104725
It will be glorious.

>>16104742
Found it; it is called ‘TGK PG’. I am not sure of its current status though (probably delayed indefinitely, no doubt)

>>16104750
lol wtf

>>16104750
>>16104742
the good news is that you don't need to replace soyuz OR progress if you're not gonna have a space station

>>16104750
>china tier CGI mockups.
lol.

>>16104753
kek

>>16104742
>>16104750
TGK-PG is still supposed to launch on Soyuz-2. The project is not going anywhere anyway, as far as I can find, certainly not before 2033. If the project does proceed, it just makes the issue even worse, because it implies they intend to keep Soyuz-2 around for a very long time

>>16104719
Just because you enter the suit in a different way doesn't remove the need for a water cooling garment

Don’t check the Neptune wikipedia page, it’s a huge blackpill

>>16104728
>1 Angara A5M to launch 2 guys to LEO
Holy hell
Is Fat Orel a project designed to ensure more launches for Krunichev's expensive rocket, or what else explains this? Orel itself is from Energia; I don't see why they couldn't just keep building Soyuz. Am I missing something?

If this is how things are going to be run and how precious aerospace resources are going to be allocated, I think it is safe to write off the Russian space program permanently. Not to mention the quality of this camerawork, which leaves much of the slide unreadable

>>16104787
Orel+Angara+Vostochny is intended as a domestic stack to avoid depending on foreign parts or launchpads. It's stupid economically but they have *some* reason.

>>16104787
Why couldn't Energia instead have spent those engineering hours on developing modern versions of the Soyuz LOK and LK? And Krunichev could instead have their A5Ms launch tugs to send them to LTO, or build the A5V to launch them directly to LTO.

They got the Soyuz LOK in under 10,000kg in the 1960s, they could probably get even lower today, especially if the LK gets its own propulsion module. Soyuz LOK could launch on a Proton and on N-1, so why couldn't it launch on an A5M or A5V. They could licence or buy lunar suits from China, just like Russia sold an Orlan-M suit to China 20 years ago.

>>16104795
I don't understand that logic.

Can't they launch Soyuz from Vostochny to an orbit that is viable for a space station, even with Soyuz-2.1b? Doesn't Soyuz-2.1b give lots of slack in capacity for launching from Baikonur to ISS, hence why they thought about replacing Progress with PKG-TG in the first place? Aren't they going to launch Progress from Vostochny to their new space station?

>>16104795
I don't understand that logic.

Can't they launch Soyuz from Vostochny to an orbit that is viable for a space station, even with Soyuz-2.1b? Doesn't Soyuz-2.1b give lots of slack in capacity for launching from Baikonur to ISS, hence why they thought about replacing Progress with PKG-TG in the first place? Aren't they going to launch Progress from Vostochny to their new space station? Does Soyuz depend on foreign parts that they can't substitute, and if so, how come Progress does not?

>>16104818
Soyuz and Progress both depend on foreign parts, they're just impossible to kill outright for political reasons.

>>16104795
What does Russia need a space station for? They don't even have the money for it with all they're spending on the war.

>>16104822
Bragging rights, same as it ever was. There have been slav stations in orbit continuously since Mir, maybe even the Salyuts, and they don't want to stop.

>>16104820
What are those foreign parts? How can it be easier or comparable in effort to develop a brand new craft than to substitute imported parts for Soyuz?

Don't they need to substitute them anyway for Progress? Even if something can't be killed today due to the ISS, it's going to get killed after the ISS ends, unless it's from Belarus, though why would they be particularly worried about Belarus?

>>16104828
I think it's from Ukraine lmao.

>>16104822
> with all they're spending on the war.
Russia's military spending in 2024 will be 7.1% of GDP, compared with 4.1% in 2021, according to SIPRI

>They don't have the money for it
They already have a space station module construction and operations program, they just need to continue it. They need to spend much of that military money on space anyway, because they need more satellites, so there should be scale benefits

>What does Russia need a space station for?
National prestige, directed at audiences both at home and abroad. I'd say a Russian space station is now more important than ever since the previous Cold War ended

>>16104831
How can that be? Haven't Yuzhmash and other Ukrainian aerospace industrial facilities been bombed repeatedly?

>>16104818
The 2-1b does have enough lift to launch a Soyuz-MS to the orbit intended for the ROS, but there's a bit more involved than just hitting the desired trajectory. Right now the only active R7 pad that can load crew is Site 31/6 at Baikonur. Site 1S at Vostochny could be upgraded for crew launches, but that's not something Russia wants to spend money on if they don't have to since Site 1A is already planned to handle crew with Angara. On top of that there is the issue that launching into a ~97d orbit is going to take you out over a lot of water, which the Soyuz-MS isn't really designed to abort into. Soyuz-MS could be upgraded for water landings, but the Orel is already planned to be capable of that so there's little desire to spend more rubles on yet another block upgrade for the Soyuz.

Launching Progress-MS on a Soyuz 2-1b from Vostochny doesn't run into any of these problems and will probably fill Russia's cargo delivery needs well enough to keep something like the TGK-PG trapped in the powerpoint realm forever. I wouldn't be surprised if there were still a few foreign-sourced parts in the Soyuz, but most of the upgrades from the TMA-M were done to switch over to domestic suppliers.

>>16104820
>Soyuz
Hoe did this bypass the onions filter?

>>16104847
lurk more

>>16104843
>Orel is already planned to be capable of that so there's little desire to spend more rubles on yet another block upgrade for the Soyuz.
Yet how much money would have been saved by (a) not developing a brand new spacecraft in the first place, and (b) using A5M's higher payload capacity to launch or co-launch other things instead?

>Site 1S at Vostochny could be upgraded for crew launches, but that's not something Russia wants to spend money on if they don't have to since Site 1A is already planned to handle crew with Angara.
Couldn't they just as well have inversed those investments, so that 1S received the crew facilities?

>>16104715
We should do both, starting with what you said in the near term but working up to the second over the next few hundred years.

>>16104857
I think, if you've been doming and digging for a thousand years, then there's not much benefit left to be had from changing the atmosphere to one that still wouldn't be good enough

>>16104670
just like my 3 body slop!!

Wen Starship brap?

>>16104855
The Soyuz is a good spacecraft because it's reliable, domestic, and cheap. It's not a good spacecraft because it's cramped and doesn't have much if any down-mass capability. It's just not very capable compared to modern competitors like Dragon and Mengzhou. One of Russia's biggest problems in spaceflight right now is that the old capabilities are just good enough that developing something better isn't seen as a necessity when it really should be.

>>16104719
Would you even need much cooling on Mars? It's not hard vacuum.

so why don't they make the rockets spin with a drill head to diffuse the air pushing against it?

>>16104877
There's so little of it that it might as well be a vacuum right?

>>16104895
Well there's enough for that little drone to fly. And I don't think there was any issue with rovers getting superheated in the sun like on the moon.

>>16104877
>>16104895
It’s a vacuum for all intents and purposes

>>16104871
>It's not a good spacecraft because it's cramped and doesn't have much if any down-mass capability.
> It's just not very capable compared to modern competitors like Dragon and Mengzhou.
Why does a Russian spacecraft need to compete with Dragon or Mengzhou one-on-one? Why does a Russian spacecraft need to be spacious, have much down-mass capability, or carry more than 3 people? It gets 3 people to LEO and that's all it needs to do to let Russia maintain a space station. In the extraordinary case that Russia might need to launch more people or bring down a lot of mass, it can launch an additional Soyuz.

Dragon's size makes sense because SpaceX's only rocket at the time was Falcon 9, and Dragon is appropriately sized for that rocket.

Mengzhou's size originally made sense for China because it was appropriately sized for CZ-7 and they are going to retire all their hypergolic rockets anyway including CZ-2F. It still makes sense today even though the CZ-7 won't carry it anymore, because (a) they're likely going to expand their space station to a level such that carrying more than 3 people in one go is meaningful, and (b) it is appropriately sized for CZ-10 and CZ-10A to launch.

More importantly, America's and China's space programs have funding levels that Russia's doesn't, and they don't really need to husband money or aerospace engineering resources to the extent that Russia needs to.

>One of Russia's biggest problems in spaceflight right now is that the old capabilities are just good enough that developing something better isn't seen as a necessity when it really should be
This is true but I don't think a crew taxi is one of the things that would benefit much from a brand new replacement, in fact Orel+A5M seems like it could be a downgrade compared to Soyuz+Soyuz in terms of running cost considering Russia doesn't really need to send 6 people in one go

>Russoids are so pathetic they cant even get the training right to use the ISS entirely

space tug muh junk

>>16104782
what, bc scientists lied about the color?

>>16104481
exhausting

Is this for real? In what universe does this clunky monstrosity make sense? How about finishing the RD-0169 instead?

In my mind, the obvious path forward for Russia would be to develop the largest rocket Falcon 9 style reusable rocket that is possible with RD-0169 engines. Even if it means they have to build the tank structures in the Far East. They build fighter jets in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, it shouldn't be an insurmountable task to get a workforce that can build fuel tanks and assemble rockets in the Far East by 2030. If necessary, they take a page out of SpaceX's and Landspace's playbook and build it entirely out of steel.

Is there a good reason why they don't even seem to plan this? Are the Samara/Omsk people terrified of the idea of competing structural manufacturing in the Far East? Or is there something I am missing?

>>16104939
did u really write all that about russian space vaporware cgi ppt #17956?

>>16104941
Why are they talking about this clunky vaporware, instead of better vaporware that would actually seem to make a bit sense on paper?

>China wants to launch a hypersonic space plane weighing 50 tonnes and measuring longer than a Boeing 737. It is part of the Tengyun project unveiled in 2016
>https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2024/03/china-developing-giant-magnetic-launcher-for-hypersonic-space-planes.html

This destroys F9.

>>16104901
Just maintaining a space station isn't a great goal. You want to do something with it that's worth the cost of keeping the lights on and a useful station needs more capacity than a Soyuz capsule can easily deliver. Downmass is important and Soyuz has no real capability there. Cargo Dragon regularly comes back with around two tons of experiments and equipment. Some of this is keeping up with the Robinsons in America and China, but if you don't have the ability to do much more than send up cosmonauts to take up space, you'll never attract any interest from groups outside Roscosmos. It is a losing argument on cost, but that's mostly on the Soyuz-2 killing off the Angara A3.

>>16104946
china just caught spacex with their pants down and s*domized them

>>16104962
Still waiting on those battery powered hall thruster airplanes China supposedly had.

https://twitter.com/dystopiabreaker/status/1773992824993898531

>>16104822
>What does Russia need a space station for?
A destination for manned flights. A nation of Salyut, Mir and ISS can't just say we can't fly to space anymore once ISS is retired and deorbited.

>>16104966
need some pain meds for your raw ass pigdog fuck?

>>16104939
You underestimate how limited their budget it, how low of a priority space is, and/or how fucked the system is.
China is what Russia used to be, and China now firmly occupies the second place try-to-catch-up-and-keep-pace role of geopolitical spaceflight. Even India is arguably more ahead than Russia—or will undeniably surpass them in the next 5-10 years

>>16104955
Just keeping the lights on in space has massive value just by itself, for prestige reasons. Hardly anyone in the public knows about downmass or experiment recovery, so there is hardly any additional prestige to gain from doing that.

Prestige is the primary value of a space station. The science is mostly a bonus. The biggest science questions for which a zero-g laboratory is needed have been researched to death already. So why is downmass important? Why can't the Russians just let the Americans and Chinese do the kind of experiments that require recovery? Is there anything secretive about it, that won't be published?

If the Russians really want to do large secretive space exposure experiments and bring them down again for study, developing a functional equivalent to X-37B, perhaps some kind of Soyuz derivative, would seem like a cheaper option than Orel. The X-37B and the Chinese equivalent launch very seldom, it is not something that requires launch and recovery once every 6 months.

If the Russians really want to bring down large experiments from a manned space station, they could remove one of the astronauts and just launch 2, or send up an occasional special purpose cargo Soyuz once every few years to bring up and down particularly large objects. What stuff do the Russians need to bring down, that warrants a brand new spacecraft that needs to launch on A5M?

>>16104946
I have seen too many CGI chink wunderwaffen to believe china is ever going to get past the stage of building cheap russian knockoffs.

>>16104982
I had imagined that after the Ukraine war demonstrated the immense military value of space, and after Putin kicked Rogozin sideways and replaced him with Borisov, we'd see serious efforts to right the ship. Yet apparently not.

>>16104946
>>16104966
>>16104986
People need to learn to recognize what is a long-term high-risk experimental project that mostly just exists for research purposes.

CASIC is working on a methalox Falcon 9 clone and that is their primary project in the area of reusable space launch.

>>16104995
the one exception to that is SpaceX with both F9 when it was first being developed and now Starship.

>>16104939
>In what universe does this clunky monstrosity make sense?
That would actually be easier to land than the Falcon 9. With one Merlin 1D throttled down as far as it can go (~340 kN) Falcon is still pulling about 1.5g of acceleration. An RD-191 can throttle down to around 520 kN, but five URM-1 modules bolted together with landing gear weighs more than twice what a Falcon booster does so a reuseable Angara could get less than 1g on its landing burn. It'd look more like the hover-and-touchdown that New Shepard does than a precisely timed suicide burn. The problems start when you realize you need to disconcert all of the modules so you can ship them by rail back to the spaceport.

It hard to set up infrastructure in the far east. It's not impossible to build a factory out there, but getting workers to relocate to somewhere even less exciting than rural Idaho is a lot harder than it was in Soviet times. The fact that it's so remote and undeveloped also means that there's no equivilant to the Utah congressional delegation insisting that boosters be built in their district.

While the design is a kludged together mess, it doesn't require new and untested engines, a new factory, new tooling for that factory, or a relocated workforce.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAfJbhoHMAY
>Starbase Weekly, Ep.111: Starfactory Expansion Continues!

>>16104847
It's exempt because jannies are commies.

>>16104999
It might be easier to land, but that's just because of how much useless dead weight it has. The boosters become a drag rather than a boost when it keeps them on like this instead of staging.

Furthermore, the engine will only be 10 times reusable. Which is not surprising. Intuitively, an ORSC engine design that was not originally intended to be reusable seems like it would be inconducive to long and problem-free engine life without a very thorough redesign.

The rocket looks like the A5V design, and if it uses three engines for the upper stages, that means it expends an average of 3.5 engines per launch. So the savings aren't that great.

If the RD-0169 is 100 times reusable, which I believe I read somewhere it is supposed to be, then a rocket with a Falcon 9 layout would expends 1.09 engines per launch. Even if just 20 times reusable, then it is 1.45 engines per launch.

Are places like Komsomolsk-on-Amur and Khabarovsk really like rural Idaho? The former is like Boise in size and the latter is even bigger. KnAAPO aircraft factory in Komsomolsk-on-Amur had 13,500 employees in 2011. That's more than SpaceX had in 2023 in total. Komsomolsk-on-Amur and Khabarovsk both have shipyards, and the latter has a bunch of metallurgical industry.

For a rocket factory, they don't need to relocate all the workforce there. They just need people for manufacturing tanks and for final assembly. All parts that can be brought by rail or truck would be brought in from existing factories.

>>16104973
That’s retarded. A KKV scar would just look like any other crater. It’s clearly from a laser weapon.

>>16104987
Why do they need to do anything when they can just get their hands on starlink terminals and use the same shit ukraine is?

!
Packed day today Clearbros.

Three launches today

>>16105112
>>16105113
Three launches within 4 hours and 38 minutes.

>>16105112
>>16105113
3 scrub a dubs today

>>16105107
They need their own Starlink that is reliable, that works in much of the relevant areas, and that they can use for datalinks with missiles, aircraft and spacecraft

They also need massive EO and space weapons

>>16104999
>>16105034
>it doesn't require new and untested engines,
I don't think Russia will have enough payloads to really require a reusable rocket until the 2030s anyway, so there's still a lot of time to finish a new engine

>a new factory, new tooling for that factory
They should start preparing for an eventual Russian Starship anyway

>or a relocated workforce.
If they created a new rocket factory in the east, I think it would be done by relocating just a small kernel of people from Progress or Krunichev, who would then through local recruitment gradually build up a team that can handle tank production and rocket assembly. Besides, they need the current workforce in the west to keep building R7s and URMs, they can't just stop that production

>>16105044
Was the laser used before, during or after the Martian thermonuclear war?

>>16104269
good

https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1774150122454012063

NSF interview of Dr Phil Metzger for his work on IFT-1 pad explosion

>>16105107
having a few starlink terminals that you can use for a while until they're disabled is different from having reliable access to them

>>16104701
what if they only want us for our silicon

>>16104593
>niggers on Mars
Yeah I think I'll pass

>>16103999
why did they choose these rocks? didnt they have to import them from alabama? lol?

>>16104847
if you spell Soyuz exactly correctly it doesn't get filtered, but if you do something weird like pluralize it or whatever it becomes Baseduzes

why wont they install spinning wheel inside starship to steer it in space?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cRb0xvPJ2M

>>16105260
senator shelby from alabama

>>16105260
https://www.nasa.gov/missions/artemis/rocks-and-rockets-from-alabama-rivers-to-kennedys-florida-crawlerway

Taobao made an agreement with Space Epoch to use their rocket for research and tests of rocket delivery to anywhere on Earth within an hour

Space Epoch also released a render of their XZY-1 rocket. It might look familiar. The rocket is 4.2m in diameter, will be built in stainless steel, and use methalox engines from JZYJ

>>16105265
those need to be very big and heavy in order to stabilize an object as large as Starship

>>16105286
>render
of course

Landspace confirmed that construction of the ZQ-3 pad in Jiuquan has started. This is also confirmed by satellite imagery
https://weibo.com/5658451754/O73PCuyst

Satellite imagery suggests that construction has started on Space Pioneer's TL-3 pad at in Jiuquan
https://weibo.com/5658451754/O73UK7KeZ

Satellite imagery shows construction progress on WSLC pad 3
https://weibo.com/5658451754/O794A1JAS

>>16105301
Space will be Chinese.

>>16105268
i miss the orbital depot meme's.

>>16105298
They have done some ground firing tests
https://spacenews.com/chinese-startups-conduct-hot-fire-tests-for-mini-version-of-spacexs-starship/

JZYJ said they recently tested 3 flight hardware engines that will be delivered to their "second customer" soon. These engines will be used for 10km and 100km hoppers
http://www.jzyjspace.com/news/60.html
JZYJ has two customers that I know of: Rocket Pi and Space Epoch

>>16105254
they will have to take it out of our cold, dead hands.

>>16105323
that won't be an issue though?
just sell the fuckers some sand

>>16105323
>tfw you will never get cool insect powers and murder the fuck out of martian roachdindu's
feelbugman

Jielong-3 will have 5 launches this year.

Also, Jielong-4 will first launch this year. It uses a 3.5m diameter SP150 solid rocket motor

https://weibo.com/5658451754/O7fY0DoaT

>>16105326
Sand is a finite product and the concrete industry is already doing some really questionable things to keep the supply of sand going.
Let the xeno shits go somewhere else to get their sand.

>>16105334
what about roggs
we have plenty of roggs

>>16105335

>>16105286
Is this Chinese Falcon 9 clone number 14 or number 15? I lost track long ago

https://twitter.com/SpaceEquities/status/1774152335377215678
>ntuitive Machines $LUNR consortium awarded NASA LTV contract. On the fpds website (https://fpds.gov/fpdsng_cms/index.php/en/)), Intuitive Machines recorded on March 27th a $1m payment from NASA for:

>"The Lunar Terrain Vehicle (LTV) Services (Services) contract will provide NASA increased lunar surface unpressurized mobility for suited Extravehicular Activity (EVA) crew members."

>>16105312
你说得对

>>16105335
If we run out of roggs we can always give them muffins instead

>>16105312
Are you saying it isn't already?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swiGWilMqeQ

https://youtu.be/7FVYEhwiis8
episode 2 is out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EKCAe8gqZo
First launch stream of the day is live; Falcon 9 launching Eutelsat 36D in T-55:00

>>16105370

Wtf Angara is still flying test flights

>>16105380
It's not just kneecapped by the fact that Soyuz eats 95% of Russia's domestic payloads. It's also taking hits from the fact that there are still about ten Protons left in the stockpile and those are as both cheaper and more reliable. With Russia only having 1-2 payloads per year that need something like a Proton there's not much room in the market for the Proton's replacement.

>>16105380
Who cares about this zigger rocket?

>>16105296
so it possible

>>16105391
yeah, they might be useful for depot Starship or other Space Station Starship

>>16102853
>EDS ramblings
so no proofs?

>>16105374
T-15:00

>>16105379
Next you're going to claim the oceans aren't Chinese despite the patently red reflection of the evening sun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4Ytv8CikWY

T-04:00

Clear Live!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3TxaFsJKIA

SpaceX steam
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1773850160856228119

nice daytime launch

Clear max-qute!

they can't keep getting away with it

>off center
It's over.

Just 5 years ago the French were gloating about SpaceX being a small issue. Now look at the launch market. Falcon 9 is dominating everyone and everything, and France is becoming irrelevant

Landing confirmed.

>>16105455
>SpaceX 289 recovered boosters
>NASA 133 recovered shuttles and some SRBs
>Rocketlab a few recovered Electrons
>USSF a few flights of one X-37B
>Soviet Union one Buran flight
>China a few flights of one chinkplane
If Europe had any ambition at all remaining they'd be scrambling to catch up, but they don't.

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1774193328466358431

damn it exploded (into space)

Uhh why is it stuck

>>16105459
i'm a euro and burgers can be obnoxious sometimes, but this is one of the things where they absolutely 100% deserve to be.
there are no words to described how dissapointed i am, ESA need to kill themselves.
also fuck the beurocracy that makes commercial spaceflight development so difficult for europeans, beurocrats need to be bullied into submission.

>>16105459
>one X-37B
there's two they rotate

>>16105459
India's working on their own X-37 clone as well, and they plan to eventually develop that into reusable second stage tech

ICE HATE

>Moon and thunder/lightning in the Earth

kinooo