/sci/ - Science & Math

https://spacenews.com/astronomers-criticize-proposed-space-telescope-budget-cuts/

SLS gotta eat

>>16089627
starship will save astronomy

Yuri Borisov: the launch of the Soyuz MS-25 spacecraft has been postponed to March 23
The reasons for the cancellation of the launch of the Soyuz-2.1 a launch vehicle with the Soyuz MS-25 manned transport vehicle have been determined, the launch has been postponed to Saturday, March 23, said Yuri Borisov, Director General of Roscosmos.
"We have scheduled a backup date — March 23, 15:36:10 Moscow time."
He said that on Thursday, an emergency situation occurred at the final stage of pre-launch preparation, as a result of which the launch procedure was interrupted.
"The reason has been identified, we have just revealed at a meeting of the state commission that the reason was a voltage drawdown of the chemical current source."
He said that the crew is currently being evacuated from the ship, after which the launch complex will be returned to its original position, then the state commission will conduct a detailed analysis of the reasons for the cancellation of the launch procedure.
Sergey Krikalev, Executive Director for Manned Space Programs at Roscosmos, said that the automatic systems controlling the launch worked well.
"The automation worked during the launch control and prevented the ship's systems from working incorrectly. The crew is safe, left the rocket and went to remove the spacesuits."
After removing the spacesuits, a medical examination of the crew members will be conducted, and then the astronauts will return to quarantine, and further preparations for the launch will continue.

>>16089631
Crew remained calm. Belarus cosmonaut for example had heart rate 68 after launch abort

/sfg/, tell me your unpopular opinion on spaceflight

>>16089636
Cancel Dragonfly (and MSR)

>>16089631
We have Dragon why are we sending people to a third world country to launch on Russia's sketchy hardware?

>>16089636
russhits will never get shit done.

Reminder that excavators are machines that have reached perfection. Extremely versatile, Extremely reliable, Unreal performance.

>>16089650
Go back you /k/ope tranny

>>16089656
Switching to electric TVC was a mistake

>>16089636
Chinas making it to moon before Artemis

>>16089656
This blows my mind more than the rocket itself.

>>16089625
Falcon 9 has already drank the milkshake of small launch providers, they can't compete on pricing, additional large reusable rockets will only beat the dirt where the dead horse was.

>>16089636
Planetary colonization > poop cylinders

>>16089669
People fail to understand that a reused Starship can launch a single cubesat for lower cost than a reused Falcon 9. When people say there's no market for a 100 ton to LEO superheavy lifter, remember this.

>>16089669
RIP PEGASUS
F9 killed that thing so hard

>>16089657
nta, but TZD

>>16089627
Didn't we just give those fucks the James Whatever telescope that cost a hundred billion dollars?

>>16089636
Soyuz is the best launch vehicle ever made

>>16089683
Air-launch is based.
It just looks cool. Looks way cooler than roggets.

Hoping Skylon can finally get fucking somewhere.
Love spaceplanes.

>>16089702
would be competitive if it launched for as much as Electron but as we all know, solids aren't cheap, they're actually expensive as fuck!

>>16089680
People keep saying this. Is it true? Even if Raptor is cheap, there are still, what, 39 engines on a full stack? And then you have to pay for the fuel and oxidizer–a lot of it!
Also the raw material cost of an actual Starship stack. That’s tons of stainless steel. Does the price of a reused rocket eventually become “free” after a number of reuses??
I just don’t see how a super heavy lift vehicle could be cheaper than a FH / Falcon Heavy

>>16089657
Korelev, Glusko and Cholomey were all Ukranian

>>16089657
Back to /pol/ troon

>>16089668
Hydraulics have no limits

Serious question: Why are all these startups designing their small-lift meme launchers with clustered/octoweb rockets. I feel the easy answer is they’re all imitating SpaceX, but SpaceX didn’t do that with Falcon 1. A big reason Elon & co. were able to pivot and get falcon 9 flying so quickly was they both used Merlin. Why aren’t any of these retards doing that? Why are they all designing these tiny engines that will have no proper application anywhere else?

>>16089689
Which doesn't detect X-rays.

>>16089732
I advocate for smaller simpler engines. Starship should've used something like a methane Merlin equivalent. Then we wouldn't have all these failures fucking up every flight.

NRO confirmed today that pic related is something that Starshield currently does

>NRO has now publicly confirmed that it is actively working together with the U.S. Space Force on space-based GMTI capabilities and that prototype satellites have already been launched.
>“The prototypes went up there. They were delivered in about 36 months from concept to launch, have operated fine, and we have exercised with Space Force and the other services, to prove their capability and that we’re able to move on to production,” NRO's Director Christopher Scolese said yesterday while speaking at the National Security Innovation Base Summit, according to Defense One.
>Scolese does not appear to have explicitly drawn any direct connection between this work and the reported 2021 SpaceX contract, but the three-year timeline he described is certainly in alignment.
>Defense One also highlighted information from the Department of the Air Force's 2025 Fiscal Year budget proposal that further speaks to past and current NRO/Space Force cooperation on GMTI capabilities in space. Budget documents say that the "Moving Target Indicator project," as well as an "Auxiliary Payloads" one, will both "leverage [the] relationship with NRO" relating to work "to develop and field [a] GMTI system."
https://www.twz.com/space/if-spacexs-secret-constellation-is-what-we-think-it-is-its-game-changing
https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2024/03/spy-agency-ready-launch-new-vehicle-tracking-satellites/395106/

>>16089747
As I said there should be UN laws forbidding any commercial or military space satellites.

>>16089627
It's not actually SLS but the debt-ceiling agreement.

Chandra is in a bit of a sorry state, it's sensitivity continues to decline year after year. There are literally papers written today which are based on fewer than 10 photons.
It's now 25 years after launch, and NASA has no plans for a successor. If Lynx actually happened it would be in the 2050s.

ESAs x-ray observatory XMM-Newton doesn't have the same degredation. But it's resolution is much worse, and so it's limited for faint objects. But overall XMM has more light collecting area.
ESA is pushing forward with a next gen observatory, Athena, which will be more than a factor of 10 in collecting area over XMM and Chandra. Probably 2038, but it had some program issues.

>>16089747
On the bright side, at least one part of the US government is getting excited about cheap access to space and taking opportunities to revisit satellite design trade-offs. Can we try putting JPL in charge of all the spy shit and the spooks in charge of the science?

>>16089689
Boi I sure hope the next big telescope won't be a JWST like scenario

>>16089747
>SpaceX has been launching relevant prototype satellites since 2020, before its formal contract with NRO, and "a U.S. government database of objects in orbit shows several SpaceX missions having deployed satellites that neither the company nor the government have ever acknowledged," per Reuters.

God this shit is so cool

>>16089749
>t. Ivan

>>16089688
What's diabetes got to do with this?

>>16089636
BO is alright

>>16089751
>>16089627
Another kick in the testicles for x-ray astronomy came in the form of XRISM, a JAXA mission to replace Hitomi. With some NASA support.

Hitomi was going to be the first mission to have a microcalorimeter, a which can measure the energy of individual photons with good resolution. Before x-ray spectroscopy was really shit, with these it would be a huge leap.

Microcalorimeters with JAXA are however cursed.
The first Astro-E mission was destroyed during a launch failure. 2005
Astro-E2 made it to space, but accidentally boiled off all the coolant after weeks. The microcalorimeter was rendered useless.
Then Hitomi died.
Now XRISM took its place, and it continues.

What has happened is that a protective filter over the sensor has not deployed. Essentially the lens cap is stuck on. It is semi-transparent to x-rays, but it completely absorbs low energies. Pic related. Some of the most interesting science is gone. It may still be fixed, but I'm not holding my breath.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2104.07241

JAXA is 0/4. Hopefully ESA does better with Athena.

>>16089757

>>16089747
>One major way a large network of GMTI and SAR capable satellites could be a huge help in the strategic sense is for continuously tracking the locations of ground-mobile ballistic missile launchers that remain in wide use amongst America's primary adversaries, Russia and China. Providing persistent tracking of these assets, as well as other strategic movements, is something of a holy grail of strategic surveillance that the Pentagon has been lusting over for decades. With a large constellation, a certain amount of on-orbit resources can be allocated to this mission while other battlefield tracking and tactical intelligence products are produced.

Holy shit. If SpaceX can provide that for them then thats fucking it, they (SpaceX) become untouchable

>>16089772
>>16089747
I wonder if Elon's business will be kicked out of China in the future as the cold war progresses.

>>16089714
Ukrainian surnames end with "ko". Being born in Ukraine doesn't make you Ukrainian

China plans to launch a network of quantum communications satellites (second gen Mozi satellite) to provide secure communication for its consulates and embassies around the world, as well as important institutions within China, in 2025-2026.

>>16089775
He's definitely already preparing for that

>>16089778
>Being born in a country doesn't make you a citizen of that country
You are aware of how retarded that sounds right?

>>16089747
Is there anything that prevents them from doing AMTI as well?

>>16089732
It simplifies dev costs by letting you use the guts of the same engine on both stages.

>>16089625
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1770878117680218180
>No kidding, Arianespace. The steamroller has been apparent for more than a decade. You were kind of warned to stop building expendable solid rockets and yet ...

>>16089785
most countries don't have your retarded birthright citizenship law dumb mutt

>>16089792
While they are trying to make a rocket capable of competing with F9, Starship is coming to buttfuck them from behind.

>>16089798
How would you buttfuck someone from the front?

>>16089802
Very carefully

>Reuters reported today that Chinese state media and social media accounts linked to the People's Liberation Army have been especially vocal in decrying the news about SpaceX's reported contract with NRO.

>>16089778
it literally does

>>16089650
>>16089657
zigger falseflag, notice how little effort he puts in making the post he is going to react to seem genuine.

why are ziggers like this, i've seen them do this exact shtick on like 5 different boards now.

>>16089802
anal missionary

>>16089818
>why are ziggers like this
Slavic mindset that everything is always shit but they're also unique geniuses that can make something out of nothing and nobody else can do that. Not that it's true, but it's what they're raised to believe.

>>16089802
long benis between recievants legs, carefully bended around the taint and inserted by hand.

>>16089827
another thing, notice how it's an exact copy of the thing he did last thread, i'm guessing he wasn't happy that it was in a thread we were about to stage.

anyways, enough off topic >>16089747 this shit is cool as fuck but it also terrifies the hell out of me, what would a fully mature system of this nature look like, what kind of constant resolution would they be able to get worldwide?

>>16089629
from Starlink

>>16089834
>create problem
>sell solution
business 102

>>16089834
Tranny detected

https://youtu.be/RN0A4jMJPKQ

>>16089819
impossible with my pecker.

>>16089794
spaceflight is american

>>16089806
lol, chinkcells seething

>>16089747
i wonder if this explains how we've been able to destroy houthi missiles on the ground soon after they've been detected

>>16089722
>Hydraulics have no limits
The crawler motors are electric.

>>16089879
Space-Based Infrared Early Warning Satellites are probably the primary workhorse here.

>>16089887
no those detect missiles after they've launched, but we're destroying the missiles before they're being launched

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U88DzZcsubs

>>16089636
almost all cost data on launches, rockets, spacecraft, engines, etc. available on the internet is fake. the only exception is when you have detailed internal nasa or GAO reports which have to be released to the public. if it was as easy to put exact numbers on these things as /sfg/ thinks then space startups would never go bankrupt.

>>16089713
In theory if booster and ship and engines really become muh rapidly reusable and don't need much maintenance like tile checking and rewaterproofing and really launch a lot, you could potentially push the cost of a launch below $10 million or so, which is small launch territory. Of course SpaceX isn't going to charge that little for a while even if it were to become possible since they have billions of development costs to recoup. But like the article says, Transporter-style missions with lots of tugs and stuff would be viable at higher prices, too. If they can find a way to deploy all that shit you could launch a lot of smallsats in one Starship.

>>16089898
FAKE

Orion has never flown, Lockmart coverup

>>16089898
and this is why starship can survive reentry no matter what

KINO VIDEO

>>16089670
Why one or the other... and wouldnt it be cool to have a mini space house, 100ft in diameter, 1000ft^2 of living space to call your own? Itd be like the jetsons... an RV for 1 family in outere space providing a comfy 0.3g

>>16089927
Didnt make any judgements about it being cool. Economics and practicality will simply prevent them from ever being built

>>16089907
Yeah that makes sense. I’m not trying to argue against it in bad faith or anything. It’s just a huge step up from a “dinky little Falcon” to a huge metallic Saturn V, so I guess I am simply ‘visually aprehensive’ trying to imagine a behemoth like that as an every-week-launcher
But then again, even in 2016 I was discounting Falcon booster recovery. And in 2020-2021ish I was convinced SpaceX had simply maxed out on number of flights possible in a single year. Then starlink really took off like crazy, and with it, Falcon 9 launches. Starlink generates money as a service yes, but it also demands a LOT of launches in rapid succession in order to work (more than anyone else is capable of doing). So this probably helped to drive down F9 cost and amp up SX’s ability to launch.

So the only way for someone to counter something like starshield is by taking out every satellite in LEO?

>>16089936(me)
And I forgot my whole main point. That starlink will probably do the same for Starship. They will likely be launching so frequently for Starlink that SS costs will go down as SX optimize for more and more rapid launches

>>16089792
oh my fucking god
https://twitter.com/StormSurgeMedia/status/1675932589930979351

>>16089938
Nope there is no counter, really. In this case, the best defense would be a good offense; i.e. countries would just need to build their own system in similar orbits.
Starlink/shield in general couldn’t ever be permanently crippled

>>16089946
Holy fucking shit what a salt mine, Lemme go get my popcorn!

SpaceX twitter stream has more views than NASA's YT stream right now

its over

>>16089953
Twix doesn't have 4k. Normalfags don't care either way.

>>16089955
oh so thats why the twitter stream looks better

>>16089953
It's fake views. also if you scroll past the video twice it counts as two views

Europe also will want their own spy network, but the problem is that they don't have a rocket.

>>16089636
unpopular in general or on /sfg/
for the first, developing space tech is more important than feeding africans (for multiple reasons)
for the second, not sure
I would like to see both planetary colonization and spinhabs (eventually), both solar and nuclear, what the chinese are doing is neat at times even if they are mostly copycats as far as I can see

>>16089972
europe is a retirement home

whoevers in charge of getting that shot dropped the ball godamn

>>16089938
Lasers. There's no need to physically destroy satellites, it's enough to make them unusable. Fry antennas, cameras, solar panels and it's a piece of useless scrap in orbit. It might even retain control to safely deorbit so no kessler for ya either. With enough lasers it only takes 24 hours to cripple every sat in orbit and launching new ones is useless when it takes weeks to get them in operational orbit.

>>16089713
its fully and rapidly reused, that is how
you amortize the cost of the engines, steel etc over a lot of flights
the propellant is perhaps something like 1mil, then you add amortized labor and other infrastructure costs
if the cadence becomes high enough and they truly achieve rapid and full reuse then yes it should be possible

>>16089713
Falcon 9/Heavy uses aerospace grade meme milled stir fraction welded aluminium. Fuel is the smallest cost of a launch.
And steel is cheap as fuck.

>>16089636
Starship will never work.

>>16090008
>meme milled
wrong. falcon uses stringers as could be seen with the recent tipped over booster.

Shit, I missed the crs-30 launch. qrd?

>>16090017
It's all over. It diverted to the FAA headquarters.

>>16089946
That's what happens when someone smaller, younger, and less athletic than you takes your crown AND throne. And then makes you dance for his amusement.

do any of these small sat launchers consider what will happen when new sats get designed without the mass autism and they just switch to starship for cheaper development with cheaper cost launch?
who the fuck is going to fly these no re-use flights when the options are (expensive sat+ middling launch price) vs (cheap sat vs cheap launch)?

>>16089747
People are praising this as cool, but it sounds dystopian as fuck to me.

>>16089713
F9 pays for itself after like 2-3 flights. Starship will be similar.

>>16089636
Not only is QI real but the implication of no bent space is that we live in a steady state universe with matter creation happening continuously or periodically from wavefunction collapse of the quantum vacuum.

>>16090115
Also if G varies with theta most models of deep redshifted objects are wrong.

>>16089970
I'm sure they will get round to it in about 50 years like their GPS satellites, difference is they will not hide the fact its primary purpose will be to directly spy on their own citizens.

>>16090115
I used to unironically think it was real, but that confidence has slowly been chipped away to the point where it now seems way more likely that Mike McCulloch is simply a schizo with good intentions but bad math somewhere.
I’m not trying to get you to change your mind or anything, and I still respect QI for being quirky/challenging the norm. That’s an honorable fight.
And the way Mike makes people seethe is respectable in and of itself (plus as dumb as it is, I think “tape outgassing drive” is top 10 /sfg/ shitposts)

>>16090008
Stir friction welded yes, meme-milled no.

>>16089636
Affection and nostalgia for old programs is holding us back. Hubble should be a deprecated machine relegated to the dustbin of history, not a priceless asset.

Nobody except Stoke is even trying to build a launch vehicle that can survive the Starship era of spaceflight.

>>16090099
youre hilarious if you beleive that.

>>16089713
>Does the price of a reused rocket eventually become “free” after a number of reuses
After an arbitrarily large number of launches the cost becomes equal to the fuel and refurbishment costs (assuming labor for flight control etc. is a fixed cost, which is mostly true). Elon has said refurbishing an F9 booster costs $250k. If Starship costs 20x that for each stage it would only cost $10 mil (though when dealing with logistics, overhead, etc. the actual price would be much higher).

Honestly I think that even now people aren't aware of just how cheap reusable rockets are. SpaceX would be launching F9 at half its current price were the market competitive.

>>16090147
You're living with cope if you don't.

>>16090136
I'm not a religious zealot. If it gets disproven I'll be sad but move on. I'm enjoying the rabbit hole of exotic physics problems like the flyby anomaly, and that LCDM people being forced to formulate better arguments by the presence of an alternate hypothesis.

>>16090143
do you not know about blue origin or are you just a paid shill?

>>16090162
Blue Origin is in the unfortunate position of making a rocket that's too big to be a Falcon 9 clone and too small to properly compete with Starship.

>>16090162
New Glenn is a Falcon competitor not a Starship competitor.

>>16090162
New Glenn is not a serious rocket without a reusable upper stage.

>>16090140
I wonder if that might be a useful upgrade for the Falcon 9. An isogrid structure is an extravagance for an expendable rocket but if you're going to get fifty reflights out of a booster the extra performance might be worth the effort.

>>16089936
Falcon 9 is big though

>>16090172
The performance gains from orthogrids are marginal and the cost increases are tremendous, but that's not the show stopper. Part of the secret to Falcon 9's success is the commonality of the manufacturing lines between second and first stages, and the associated costs of building new boosters would increase by a considerable margin and complicate the entire process for very little gain.

>>16090170
jarvis.
>>16090169
new glenn beats falcon 9 and falcon 9 Heavy hands down which is the reason musk is rushing so hard. buddy.
>>16090168
? why does it have to be the exact same size as falcon or starshit?

>>16089936
>>16089939
I certainly don't believe it'll happen very soon, F9 is still priced around $60 million after all, but that's the theory. A lot would have to go right for it, but it at least seems possible that it could be achieved.

>>16090179
Stoke has upper stage hardware with hops. Jarvis is a paper rocket.

>>16090179
>? why does it have to be the exact same size as falcon or starshit?

It has to do with the upper stages it can support. With an expendable upper stage, they need to build a relatively large, relatively expensive upper to make good use of the booster. With a reusable upper, they're going to be stuck with much lower payload masses, possibly in the Medium Lift class of launch vehicles. It's just an awkward space all around, and it will probably take a new design altogether to make it work.

>>16090179
Jarvis is vaporware.

In what way does New Glenn beat Falcon besides being an anyone but SpaceX option?

>>16090180
>F9 is still priced around $60 million after all
price≠cost
SpaceX is nearing monopoly levels and has no reason to price their launches competitively, especially when they can make more money doing in-house Starlink launches. And yeah, that will apply to Starship too.

>>16090180
If SpaceX can’t pull it off, then the future of spaceflight will be dire

https://youtu.be/vUFa-J0Z4Sw
Holy crap! New podcast from Tom Dodd

spacex should upload videos to youtube with 240p

>>16090172
the stringers design is higher performing than modern isogrid designs

>>16089636
Multinational cooperation isn't good. We should be seeking to leave the rest behind.
Everyone who isn't going on Starship is going to be entirely irrelevant.
India and China get too much credit for their space programs when their accomplishments are only significant compared to their own previous records.
Non-SpaceX space programs are nothing more than the aerospace equivalent of exhibits at a zoo. They're interesting to gawk at for a time, and that's it.
Just because Buran wasn't as bad as the Shuttle doesn't make it good.

>>16090229
>Multinational cooperation isn't good. We should be seeking to leave the rest behind.
unfathomably based

>>16090223
bullshit.

other countries should be begging america to allow spacex to create military hardware for them

>>16090237
isogrid is limited to the thickness of the plate but stringers can be as tall as you want

>>16089772
So that's why China built theirs underground.

>>16090245
More military shit is probably heading underground now that satellites will be able to have 24/7 watch, but then those underground entrances/exist will be easily identified by GMTI anyways

ground penetrating radar satellites

Vast Haven-1 space station is real

https://x.com/vast/status/1770809251180507382?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

They want to launch NET August 2025, is that realistic?

>>16090256
no, not even close

>>16090256
Q4 2026

>>16090256
I wonder if they could make a Cygnus can faster and cheaper than Thales Alenia?

prilliant bebbles.

hear me out: starlinks concentrating their lasers on a target like the death star

>>16090184
reusable booster expendable upper will be a viable rocket architecture for the next 15 years at least.

Anyone listen to that NASA boomer on the latest episode of the Payload Pathfinder podcast? Holy fuck I was getting migraines listening to that guy

>>16090256
by august 2025 all space stations will be composed to interconnected expended starships.

inflatable starships

>>16090189
Yes, exactly, but as long as they do that there will be room for a couple of smallsat launchers.

>>16089740
I guess they should have budgeted that a little better
I'm in favor of a battle royale type scenario in which astronomers kill and eat each other until there's enough funding for the survivors

>>16089636
certainly my opinion about which races should be allowed off Earth is not popular in the general population
also, no pitbulls

>>16090295
would a pitbull maul a child in zero g?

>>16090295
heroic pitbull sneaks onto starship to maul lost child on space station

brilliant pibbles

>>16090281
idk what the original argument was, but yeah. And it will also be in SpaceX's interest to keep them around in order to stave off any anti-trust litigation if a truly retarded progressive ever gets elected president. But they'll be competing for a really narrow niche and will have a hard time moving into viable medium launchers.

>>16090267
That sounds rather optimistic. Even if it takes SpaceX five years to make recovery and reuse work on Starship, it only takes five years for the whole of the launch market to pivot.

>>16089636
>in general public:
Manned spaceflight should be pursued for moral reasons even if it didn't have incidental material benefits.
>in this general:
Mars colonization is a very very long way away. Absolute best case scenario for this century is a few dozen research outposts that are close to self-sufficient but still heavily reliant on Earth for complex machinery, consumer goods, etc.

>>16089636
Elon is too late for us to make it. Realistically we need 30-50 years of maximum effort uninterrupted activity to make it. Between USD entering the fiat death spiral imminently, political spite fucking over Elon and demographic collapse of the only group of competent people, the idea of a half century of uninterrupted space frenzy is laughable.

>>16090327
he got some kids tho.

>>16089636
starship can't have big doors and be structurally sound so payload size will be gimped

>>16090307
kek

>>16090327
This but unironically, political elites will not tolerate people that they can't control. Large colonies of Humans in space that are independent from Earth is unthinkable nightmare for upper class.

>>16090256
Haven 1 is smol

genius gravel.

>>16090229
I mostly just don't like how multinational cooperation have become a crutch for oldspace. ISS to keep Shuttle flying, then Gateway to justify SLS.

>>16090367
youre idiotic. i wont explain why.

>>16090364
It's supposed to have 70m3 of internal volume, which is about 2/3rds of Salyut-1's volume. It only looks small because you expect dragon to be a lot smaller than it really is.

>>16090381
are fairings THAT thick?

>>16090376
All you are here is the text in your posts. Do I need to interject to remind you again that capitalization and apostrophes are important?

>>16090381
And how do they expect to do any of this without goverment dosh

>>16090383
Yes nigger. How do you expect important and fragile payload to be protected on a fucking rocket.

>>16090387
I guess but in my head they were like 2/3rds as thick. It’s weird seeing it in cross-section right next to humans for scale

>>16090381
Taking a massive vindaloo shit in Haven-1 and forcing everyone else to smell your curry poop for several days

>>16089636
at this point it’s fucking selfish that SpaceX hasn’t shown so much as simple design concepts for Starship interior, HLS interior, and/or the kino EVA suit

>>16090307
How many pitbulls would it take to ensure the overall average human life expectancy remains in the single digits?

>>16090396
about tree fiddy

>>16090396
don't think life expectancy was ever in the single digits. mid double digits maybe?

>>16089636
The speed of light is the Gordian Knot of physics.

>>16090386
Vasts CEO is a crypto billionaire

>I have a name for lit- name for it. It's called the hyperloop.
Why did you not wake up to the scam druing that saga musk sisters?

>>16090327
Eh, I think its theoretically possible that before Elon dies, Neuralink advances far enough for him to on his death bed, volunteer for the attempt to upload his consciousness into a robot body or a mainframe to become the first Reynolds style Alpha Simulation. If it doesn't work, nothing lost; if it works, humanity's future is brighter. If Neuralink has advanced to the point of allowing a quadriplegic the ability to play video games using just his thoughts in 2024, then another 20 years of advancements means there's a good chance that cyberization of the human brain is within an achievable lifespan of most people in their fifties like Elon.

All that said, Elon did also say that he wanted to live and die on human terms and not live forever. So, maybe it may be too late to "make it."

> We're inquiring about a hint in documentation that September is the current target for Tenacity's launch.

- Chris Bergen on L2

dreamchaserbros…

>>16090394
Until they can successfully reenter the Earth's atmosphere with Starship and then land it/catch it with the tower, there's no point in showing anything--as it would just be a false hope.

>>16090409
>September
real ones know this is optimistic

>>16090409
This thing screams oldspace. Breathe on it wrong and it shatters. Shooting star is useless too. Talk about too little too late; just pay for crew or cargo on a Dragon instead!

>>16090415
Others on L2 say testing should be finished this month and testing has been going smoothly

Maybe it’s an issue with Vulcan?

>>16090409
>Reminder that ULA can't start launching NSSL payloads until they have two Vulcan launches under their belt
So what is the plan now? Launch a mass simulator payload to get the second launch out of the way?

>>16090417
Starship cannot maintain a clean room environment so it’s kind of a dead-in-the-water rocket. How could JPL or the DoD integrate delicate payloads at the Boca Chica site? They cannot. That’s why creamdhraser exists

>>16090426
Maybe some Kuiper satellites?

>>16090401
Is the entire company based on new-money?

>>16090417
>Production
>Status In development
>Built 3
>Launched 0 (4 atmospheric tests)
>Operational 1

Zero atmospheric tests and only 1 operational ship. They had one of the birds on a runway in 2013. It's been over a decade. I agree. I'm not sure I see the point of this system.

>>16090339
You mean a reusable Starship's doors.

A stripped down expendable Starship with a fairing could have an absurdly large amount of volume to go along with its 200+ ton payload mass.

>>16090429
Do those even exist yet?

>>16090434
Zero space tests*, my ability to logic is stuck on the ground like this "space plane".

>>16090392
oh smeg

>>16090240
There’s no incentive because america pays the bill for everything and just shares the data with its allies for free. This is true for both pure science (a la curiosity, perseverance, etc.) and with military intelligence. The only reason allies sometimes want their own tech is national pride

>>16090436
2 of them do

>>16090442
Pathetic, disappointing, shameful.

>>16090442
You mean the ones that they wasted an entire Atlas V to put in orbit? I thought those were just early prototypes to secure the spectrum allocation.

>>16090444
there'll be a lot more wasted atlases where that came from

https://twitter.com/The_TrueAnomaly/status/1770932783281545493
>We later lost contact with Jackal 1, and we have yet to communicate with or receive telemetry data from Jackal 2.
>Flight Test 1 has progressed as far as possible and we do not anticipate meeting the remainder of the test objectives, including on-orbit RPO demonstrations.
True Anomaly had a true anomaly

>>16090409
So what is the business case for this thing? Can it carry more payload for less money than a Dragon 2? The only advantage I can see is that it saves on recovery costs since you can land it at an airport.

>>16090381
you need like thirteen of those to make one (1) ISS, it's not that big

>>16090434
Point is recovery and refurbishment is much easier from a runway than from splashing down in a salty ocean.

It does have some advantages, but is it worth it? Don't know.

>>16089792
>believing in free market competition in the aerospace industry.

>>16090409
Keep chasing that dream while everyone else goes to space

>>16090465
>So what is the business case for this thing?
I'll buy you dinner and we can talk all about it, Mr. Senator.

>Kuiper
>>16090436
>>16090442
>>16090444
>>16090445

Kuiper anon here. Existence is pain and the program continues to be in shambles. I'm sure Amazon will eventually shovel enough cash into the sacrificial dumpster fire to make the program profitable, but hoooooly shit that is that a long way off. You genuinely wouldn't believe how fucked everything is right now.

>>16090339
>>16090435
What would happen if starship ditched its door like like a fairing and flew in with the top off

>>16090489
I’ve heard a few rumours that it’s not in a good state. Something like mismanagement, teams being told to make it happen without being given the resources and direction needed, and some opinion that it just exists to keep contracts from going to spacex by default

How JEDI is this?

>>16090431
Yeah in terms of funding they basically have him as an angel investor. The only thing they really need to do though is successfully get Haven-1 in to space and be the first to commercial space station and they will get a massive stream of investors who want in. Cash wont be an issue if they stay on schedule.

Who are your underdogs in the spaceflight sector? I've personally had Stoke for launching payload just because theyre basically the only company ACTUALLY going for full reusability and their rocket wouldnt be in direct competition with Starship, but a side market that can offer a probably cheaper cost and better schedule for small payloads.
In the CSS department I've got Vast for Haven. The only real reason I see them becoming the dominant force in that sector is because they can grab the initial wave of investors for the achievement of 'first commercial space station' as well as their plans for this being reasonable i.e. having the first module go up in Falcon instead of 100% banking on Starship to be ready that early. Their plans for after Haven-1 are also good, the utilize Starship and have plans for testing artificial gravity and a reasonable expansion structure and schedule. Theyre basically not doing retarded shit far removed from the ISS with no prior experience like Think Orbitals chrome dome bullshit.
Varda is really the only one doing space drugs so thats not really an underdog option.
Spacetugs is really anyones game at this point.

>>16090521
>and their rocket wouldnt be in direct competition with Starship,
literally every rocket will be in direct competition with starship
reminder that spacex bid on TROPICS using starship
impulse will win the spacetug war

>>16090524
Did you not understand my point? Starship will gobble up the lionshare of launches yes but this means that not every single buyer is well suited to Starship. There WILL be buyers who either want their own rides but dont want a whole Starship (better cost via Stoke for same service as its reusable) or cant ride Transport missions (size specifications, time schedule, wrong orbit, etc.) or cant ride Starship due to major backlog/time constraints (the only debatable point). These are very clear niches that Stoke would be targetting and has ACTUAL substance to it, the vast majority of launches are not space stations that require 200 tons (though that will almost surely increase in the coming years).

>>16090533
no one will want their own rides when you can just do a rideshare with a few others
every single starship will become a transport mission

>>16090533
probably rocket lab is my quess. They already kinda do that now.

>>16090533
>not every single buyer is well suited to Starship. There WILL be buyers who either want their own rides but dont want a whole Starship
"hey guys we are sending 13 tons to this orbit, anyone else want to tag along?"
its literally that easy

>>16090535
Did you not read the parenthesis you fucking subhuman nigger ape?? So sick of you already.
>>16090536
Theyre not fully reusable with Electron and neither will Neutron. Unless Proton or Quark or whatever the fuck they call their next rocket is fully reusable they will be at a significant disadvantage in pricing to Stoke. THAT is Stoke's direct competitor.

>>16090540
Hey faggot. Read the parenthesis. Allot of satellites need specific orbits with how they are designed or cant fit the time schedule the others are on (actually debatable).

>>16090541
has stoke ever launched something to orbit?

>>16090511
I agree with everything but the last part. I think Amazon has genuinely grand ambitions for Kuiper, and I think they'll get there eventually, but right now the program is a shit show. The biggest issue is that upper management (all of whom were hired after Elon fired them from Starlink) have a much lower tolerance for risk than literally everyone else (mostly former Spacexers who have moved on from Starlink) so literally every solution for every minor development or production issue has to bounce back and forth between JPL-level autism and Spacex-level "fuck it, we ball" until it's resolved in a way that makes everyone equally unhappy.

>>16090541
>Did you not read the parenthesis you fucking subhuman nigger ape?? So sick of you already.
i did
none of them were worth arguing about because they were so clearly wrong
rideshare always wins, deal with it

>>16090543
impulse space fixes this problem
every mission will be tug heaven

>>16090544
People said the same thing about Falcon. You know this 'argument' is retarded yet you still typed it.

>>16089636
One brute force solution toward viable manned space travel is a longterm evolution towards a tiny, spiderlike morphology, without sacrificing our brains, and having the ability to hybernate or coccoon
Pygmy power

>>16089636
starship is for brilliant pebbles

>>16090550
Forgot pic

>>16090543
>>16090541
its cheaper to launch on starship with a tug than it will be to launch on stoke
sorry but you lose

>>16090548
Actual good point which I hadnt thought about. Still leaves room depending on how long it takes them to manufacture tugs. That whole tug industry needs some consolidation though desu, until a major player comes out on top and mass produces them to keep up with Starship demand though I can't really tell how much it would affect that market. Fair point though.

>>16090549
no i was asking because i did not know. Rocket Lab has gotten to orbit so i trust them more. When Stoke gets to orbit i will trust them more. For now its a nice concept.

>>16090554
Read >>16090553 also very obvious you had literally no idea what to say other than dismissing the points even though they are actual points of contention, and then when someone with a triple digit IQ suggested space tugs you piggy backed off him. You are an actual room temp IQ lobotomite brown favella monkey indian halfbreed.
>>16090551
How long will you shill this for

>>16090559
Sorry >>16090553 read >>16090554

>>16090559
Until the heat death of the universe. (Where by universe, I mean Moscow; by heat, I mean nuclear hellfire; and by death, I mean death.)

>>16090559
go back to /pol/ already
you probably don't even know who tom mueller is

the Boeing 747 will put literally every business jet out of business. how can they expect to compete on price when you can fit 400 people in one plane. don't talk to me about flying directly to your destination on your own schedule. price is the only thing that matters. nobody is willing to pay a premium for a premium service.
want to fly directly to your destination on your own schedule anyway? just charter a 747 and sell the other 399 seats to someone else. this is a real thing that will really happen

>>16090567
that literally does happen

>>16090566
I accept your concession. Maybe try not to so transparently go for ad hominem. You couldve just discussed why I might've been wrong like a normal person instead of plugging your ears and going
>NOPE IM RIGHT YOURE WRONG SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP LALALALALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU LALALALALALA
>>16090567
Kek

>>16090567
if the current commercial airliner market consisted entirely of expendable aircraft this wouldn't be an absurd thing to say

>>16090567
>just charter a 747 and sell the other 399 seats to someone else. this is a real thing that will really happen
anon.......

>>16090568
Correct, it doesnt!

>>16090381
High Impact Sex

>>16090572
but it does happen

>we gotta fund artemis so the blacc transbian latinx woman can dilate on mercury or whatever. muh jobs in every state.
americans are really like this.

>>16090579
KEEEEEEEEEK AMERILARDS REALLY SAY THIS

>>16090579
>>16090584
LMFAOOOOOOOO AMERISHARTS ARE WELL AND TRULY EXEMPLIFIED BY THIS !

One MASSIVE step closer to this lads.

>>16090591
>heat shield is on backwards
uh oh...

>>16090545
That’s hilarious tbqh

>>16090489
Yes I would. We heard horror stories about retail side of house all the time and so I expected Kuiper to go about this bad. I bailed to a startup rather than apply for internal transfer.

t. former AWS SDE

>>16090567
You think you are mocking Starship but you are ignoring that in your analogy the planes that the 747 is competing with all crash into the ocean after one flight.

>>16090625
So they're 737 MAX?

>>16090567
The relevant economic scaling factor for the threat Starship poses to other launchers is marginal cost, not overall payload capacity.

https://twitter.com/isro/status/1771019745523032133

ISRO

https://twitter.com/GoingBallistic5/status/1770986191325643040
>Holy Mackerel! No wonder the heat tiles are falling off.
>SpaceX is using bobby-pins to hold the tiles in place.
>Vibrational load will undo that in a jiffy.
>Paging Sandy Munro @teardowntitan
>I sure hope this image is an old design, otherwise they need a better fastener.
Image

>>16089749
and how exactly is the UN going to enforce these laws?

>>16089927
>1 family in outere space providing a comfy 0.3g
I hope you like deformed babies

>>16090720
I was gonna be mean but the genuine excitement when it landed and deployed the lil shoot got to me. Good for them

>>16090511
>until it's resolved in a way that makes everyone equally unhappy.
Yeah that tracks

>>16089688
>>16089714
>>16089720
>>16089818
No russophobia, thank you

>>16090730
Split pins are a common fastener and you should kill yourself for reposting this reddit fag

i just want a girl who'll read me the ula depot pdf sweetly at night and not leave me for her ex

>>16090775
hey bro it's me yor ex

>>16090771
>russophobia
no such thing

>>16089946
kek

>>16089946
>they are not supermen, whatever they can do, we can do

>>16090775
I had an engineering girl that loved spacex and got really excited about mars colonization and we watched Eager Space videos together and would trade book and movie and TV recs it was awesome

I think she left me because her autism power levels were high enough that she was uncomfortable that I had to learn where she lived when she got injured and needed help. Now whenever I hear a woman from her country speak in that same accent I get a Pavlovian boner, she had the sexiest body I’ve ever been with.

You guys keep posting this thread, but I don't think you know how it's meant to be.

>>16090771
yes russophobia, TZD

>>16089636
You can be smart, but also retarded. Musk is a fine example of this. Smart as hell, no doubt. I do not have EDS; I give Elon 100% credit for SpaceX’s success. But he is obsessed with the “woke mind virus” and trannies ruining civilization while applauding gay people adopting? It’s the same thing. Gay families ruin civilization. He doesn’t realize this because he is fucking retarded and trying to compromise, whether he realizes it or not

>>16090489
>>16090511
>>16090612
lol damn, thanks for the tea. This is interesting

>>16089636
Human spaceflight, especially to the moon or mars, is mostly pointless. Industry will largely be automated in space if we ever get to the point of resource extraction/ fuel production

>>16090073
nobody and that would be the case even without cheap satellites I think
with smallsat launchers most of them are going to have worse reliablity too, so they are basically going to be worse in every way possible
its like taking a extremely expensive sailship trip over the ocean instead of just flying

there might be some non-economic (some economic case that is built on the very long term) reasons like internal markets (europe, china) or mandatory redundancy (NSSL contracts), spite/long term investment (Amazons Kuiper)

>>16090271
what did he say?

>>16090322
what do you mean by close to self-sufficient? and if they are at that point, why wouldn't the research posts expand into small colonies?

>>16090489
lmao
some tidbits?

>>16090533
>size specification
starship is fucking massive man
>time schedule
starship cadence will be higher than anything else, granted that transporter missions might not be as frequent but I think even now transporter on F9 is on par or better than smallsat launch cadence?
>wrong orbit
spacetugs nigga

Remember the future they stole from us!!

>>16090849
then why do you keep coming back?

>>16090550
>longterm evolution towards a tiny, spiderlike morphology, without sacrificing our brains, and having the ability to hybernate or coccoon

>>16090915
imagine if they didnt stop using carbon composite lmao. that would be the death of the starship program.
Even if they could manufacture a single ship by today (which i doubt) it would crack easily and weaken over timelike that gay ass submarine.

>>16090567
now imagine that the 747 is 50 times cheaper per flight than a small passenger jet (and hundreds or thousands of times cheaper per passenger)

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/03/rocket-report-starship-could-fly-again-in-may-ariane-6-coming-together/

Small Rockets
>Starship could threaten small launch providers.
>Rocket Lab launches again from Virginia.
>Night flight for Astrobotic's Xodiac.
>US military taps Firefly to study cislunar missions.

Medium Rockets
>SLC-40 is ready for astronauts.
>Europe turns to SpaceX for more launches.
>A rare countdown abort for Soyuz.
>Chinese launch is a milestone for Moon program.
>Ariane 6 is coming together in Kourou.

Heavy Rockets
>SpaceX eyes quick turnaround for next Starship flight

>>16090567
kek. the comment that deestroyed the cognitive dissonance in muskratic brains.

>>16090924
Nah, we would already be on mars if they went with the carbon route.

>>16090930
no way. the tank in the picture exploded and failed pressure testing.
They scaled down the size of the vehicle over time due to the impossibility of manufacture. The vehcile design became too small and underpowerd for Mars colonization, and Musks biggest mistake in the long run will be the fact that he did not radically grow the design to ITS 2016 scale as soon as the switch to stainless took place.

>>16090925
and flies 10-100x as often and is safer

>>16090934
Yeah, especially that with every new Starship iteration we are getting closer to ITS size.

>>16090929
What copium are you huffing?

>>16090938
dont feed the troll.

>>16090876
>bro just spend 5 trillion dollars on robots for digging up scientific samples or commercial minerals instead of sending a guy with a shovel

>>16090935
And does your taxes and gives you a hand job.

>>16090936
the vehicle has been getting taller not wider. taller booster means you will need to spend more propellant slowing down, and may even need to do an entry burn which they currently dont want to do. taller ship is obviously bad because it makes it impossible to land anywhere thats slightly uneven. i dont see how present hls will actually land on the moon and stay upright.
he should have increased the diameter from day 1. now there is so much sunk cost its impossible.

https://twitter.com/BoeingSpace/status/1771160018932416814
What was the line again, "powerful press conferences"?

>>16090930
I miss the sexy blended landing gear fairings so much

>>16090998
>i dont see how present hls will actually land on the moon and stay upright
Very long legs extending from the middle

>>16090993
with the cost delta it pretty much does

>>16090935
isn't this pretty much already true of the jumbo jet / private jet dichotomy?

>>16089656
They should pack one on to a lunar starship once they figure out how to get stuff down from the cargo bay

>>16089665
And that's a good thing. Heads need to roll at NASA and in Congress if our national space program is ever going to snap out of its lethargy. Nothing like a red scare to get that done

>>16089756
it's a lunar telescope

>>16090930
Daily reminder ITS has greater payload capacity than Sea Dragon

>>16090998
Starship currently has like ±15° tilt tolerance, I don’t think it’s going to be an issue. It’s not gonna try and land on the side of a mountain

>>16091057
The animators putting in the section views signs in that scene because they didnt understand why they where on the blueprints still is one of the most hilarious things out of that entire show.

>>16091079
that engine would break apart as soon as its lit

>>16090383
Yes because the're carbon fiber. It's a shitty material and only used for its weight.

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1771176409144140103

>>16091016
Sounds like Boeing is going to build 6 Starliners one for each NASA mission.

https://twitter.com/wapodavenport/status/1771179584202985767

>>16091133
>>16091137
who could have seen this one coming

Are we sure Starliner actually exists?

>>16091147
They have flight hardware but I don't think they have crew flight hardware.

>>16091082
>bob truax will never launch the seabee
>bob truax will never launch the seahorse
>volumes 1 and 3 of the sea dragon study will never be declassified
>hazegrayart will never make a sea dragon video
>for all mankind will never make a sea dragon video that's somehow worse than some random youtuber working all by himself
>volume 2 of the sea dragon study will never be declassified with a high-quality color scan of the cover page
>the sea dragon engines will never get RSS/RO configs
YOU ARE HERE
>sea dragon will never get approved, quickly resolve all development issues, and launch within a year for a price of $100k, and also accidentally reach warp 10 in the process

>first manned flight of starliner will come after the first manned flight of starship
OOF

The People's Congress of the Chinese government has for the first time used the term "commercial spaceflight" and has added the 'launch of its 4 and 5m diameter reusable rockets' to the list of top priorities, along side nuclear reactors, artificial intelligence and quantum computing!

>>16091153
boeing would've been dissolved as a company and relevant employees unemployable in the industry if that scenario comes to even months off from happening

https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1zqJVqbAeDDGB

which mission had a higher chance of success: soyuz 1 or Boe CFT?

>starliner has a pretty spectacular orbital manuevering system

>>16091137
It’s going to skip to “Q4 2024” so quickly lol

>>16091158
Great! Now America needs to do all of this first so Chyna can copy it, adulterate it, and deliver chink-tier half ass products

>>16091179
rer

>>16090272
I can't wait for 0g vacuum welding to become an AWS welding cert. Imagine being able to retrofit an expended Starship in orbit to utilize the empty tanks has habitable space.
>soon there will be guys rocking Pit Viper helmet shades and Redwing space suit boots while they rip cigs in the hab

crew dragon has eaten up over 2x the original flight contract of starliner correct

>>16090998
>i dont see how present hls will actually land on the moon and stay upright.
Reaction wheels, of course. They will allow it to stay upright even if a landing leg fails to deploy -- for a little while.

>>16090998
Falcon 9 boosters are pencils and have no problem staying upright.

>>16091190
Imagine the cheap ebeam welds when your entire workspace is hard vacuum.

>>16090428
Lol and what is stopping SpaceX from simply building a clean room rated hanger bay to integrate payloads in?

>nasa flight ops runs starliner, as opposed to dragon which is run by spx people in hawthorn
huh never knew that.

>>16089636
Space elevators make no sense economically. You need a robust and thriving space economy to build one. If you have that, what's the point of a space elevator?

>>16091216
it's not that easy in cleanroomery

>>16091190
everything will be automated and anyone going to space is going to simply be a paying customer. There will probably be like 20-30 actual SX employees in space max. You will likely not be one of them, statistically speaking. Either will your kid. It’s probably going to take three more generations before general blue collar space work is a thing
Sorry for the blackpill, just being realistic!

>>16091217
What why

>an Cise says for CFT, there is not a capability for live video downlink. There is a camera running for free flight phasing, but it will be recorded and played back once it's docked to the ISS.

>>16090347
>Large colonies of Humans in space that are independent from Earth is unthinkable nightmare for upper class.
The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress and 95% of Gundam applies here.

>>16091223
it was "up to the contractor" and boeing chose to not run it themselves

>>16090272
SpaceX is already planning to make a space station Starship variant.

>>16091225
well if we're just pulling out sci-fi references elysium says the upper class are going to love space colonies

>>16090575
EHHH???

>>16091216
that is impossible

>>16091158
Funny how the commies end up depending on capitalism.

>>16091231
Fuck off already fag you only come here during IFT launches then linger.
>inb4 anime website
Spaceflight general. The anime isnt the issue anyways, its (You).

>>16091233
it’s almost as if communism was designed by some mentally ill fat man who wanted free shit from those who were harder-working and richer than he was!

>>16091236
When will you realize YOU’RE the problem, bonehead? You cry about it every time an image is posted. Try growing up?

>>16091236
Woosh, u have small penor.

>>16091236
lmao seething

>>16090730
Why did the ceramic fiber insulation that went floating off look yellow on the views from starship when it was getting close to reentry? Was that just the lighting, or do they use adhesive?

>>16091252
That just wasn't what went floating by.
This is a fabric what we saw was some crumbly foam stuff.

MB2 door extended for first time

>>16091236
Relax

>>16091218
yeah, this is why railroads will never catch on too

>>16091229
yeah but elysium is terrible scifi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pGOKJhFyko
>The Rise of The Everyday Astronaut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L9ISrRQPeI
>How Did The Launch Site Hold Up To IFT-3? - Starbase Gallery [March 14th - 19th, 2024]

>>16091215
Not needing shield gas or flux is pretty cool, but there are so many other things that need to get figured out. How does your HAZ/pre and post heat treatment change if you can't radiate heat into an atmosphere? Is it better to weld in sunlight or shade? The list goes on and on, but if we really want to become space faring we'll have to figure it out

>>16091229
That's because elysium wasn't a colony, it was just rich people living in space.

>>16091296
>Chief on site
He calls himself Chief?

>>16091220
Manufacturing and construction are two different things. You see lots of automation in manufacturing already but that's because it's easy to do in a controlled factory environment. Field conditions are are much more chaotic and harder to automate. See ISS spacewalks for example

>>16091215
Why? It produces a to of xrays and arcs work just fine in vacuum.

>>16091256
Well where did that come from?

>>16091024
seems like a lot of dead weight compared to having a shorter fatter vehicle.
>>16091063
>Starship currently has like ±15° tilt tolerance
maybe when carefully placed and completely stationary. but its easy to exceed that tolerance with a small amount of lateral motion on touchdown and an uneven surface.
>>16091206
Are you dumb? They land on a flat manmade pad. I'm talking about the ship landing opn the moon under lunar gravity. The forces pulling your legs to the ground are 1/6th but the forces tipping your vehicle over are the same as they are on earth.

>>16091321
maybe its someones nickname
I have no idea

talking about space welding, the CTO of think orbital made a video about it a few years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVzUmQ6Oi5c
>Welding in Space - Do We Have the Technology?

the only reason to wake up on fridays

HLS Moonship tilting and falling over is simply not a problem - and any vocal concern means you’re either a paid shill or a retard who bought into Blue Who Crew propaganda

>>16091334
>seems like a lot of dead weight compared to having a shorter fatter vehicle
It was just a joke, but they can add more weight to HLS as it's not going to be reusable and won't need tiles.

>>16091345
her voice is so annoying those videos are unwatchable

>>16091345
>massive jew nose
>weak chin
>plastic face
>caked on makeup
jew detected

>>16091334
The ladder is so far off the ground as well! It’s a dangerous rocket. We should redesign it from scratch or just cancel it altogether

>>16090256
>milled

>>16089636
Sea Dragon was a retarded idea.
The Saturn V F1 is only a cool engine because it actually worked. But it took thousands of man hours just to get it to stabilize for 40 seconds without dying an hero
Scaling to even further would have been a retarded disaster and the only reason of this shit was proposed in the first place is because the USA unfortunately can’t into domestic ORSC kerolox engines

>>16091359
thoughts on fully reusable sea dragon?

>>16090864
you can really see this shine through with his opinions on Russia, he's trying to adopt appeasement policy circa 1930s as a compromise between the Ukrainian position of Fuck You No and the Russian position of Ukrainian Genocide

>>16090545
>after Elon fired them from Starlink
what happened? Did I miss something?

>>16091364
news story from like 2019. elon fired starlink management after he was mad at slow progress. Kuiper picked some of them up

>>16091364
this was before the first two prototype starlinks were launched
Musk thought things were going too slowly, so he fired the initial people in charge
in retrospect that seemed like a very good idea

>>16090930
ITS had so much fucking sovl.

>>16091364
>>16091366

a few news stories about this in 2018, apparently 5 execs were fired in June of 2018
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/10/unhappy-elon-musk-went-on-firing-spree-over-slow-satellite-broadband-progress/

>But Musk apparently concluded that keeping the Starlink project on schedule required a management shakeup. In June, Musk flew to the Seattle area for meetings with engineers who were leading the satellite project, Reuters reported:
> Within hours of landing, Musk had fired at least seven members of the program's senior management team at the Redmond, Washington, office, the culmination of disagreements over the pace at which the team was developing and testing its Starlink satellites, according to the two SpaceX employees with direct knowledge of the situation.
> Known for pushing aggressive deadlines, Musk quickly brought in new managers from SpaceX headquarters in California to replace a number of the managers he fired. Their mandate: Launch SpaceX's first batch of US-made satellites by the middle of next year, the sources said.
>A SpaceX spokesperson told Ars that the employees left the company over the course of nearly two weeks as part of a re-organization, and that at least two of the people left of their own accord. Assuming the rest of Reuter's reporting is correct, that would mean about five senior managers were fired from the satellite broadband project in a span of less than two weeks.

so this was after Tintin 1 and 2 were launched, which happened in February 2018
the first batch of 60 actual satellites happened in May 2019
how long has Kuiper been fucking around now?

I wonder if these faggots have learned anything? I doubt it
seems to me Musk did the right thing in firing these execs

>>16091349
it's hard to tell who's joking because there are a lot of actual retards here who will make a "they can just do x" justification for any spacex design mistake

>>16091372
i mean to be fair it worked really fucking well didnt it.

>>16091372
They were actively hiring for Kuiper in 2019.

>>16091369
the shape of its was king, but how the fuck was it meant to control itself with no control surfaces?

>>16091378
Shuttle style with RCS.

>>16091236

>>16089636
>trying to land on mars/establish a colony within the next decade or two is a waste of time, money, and resources
>japan's space program is irrelevant
>musk isn't a perfect human and sometimes has retarded ideas that shouldn't be pursued

>>16091378
it would flip much higher in the atmosphere using RCS as >>16091380 said
Also keep in mind mar's atmosphere is less than a percent of earth's pressure, so doing that maneuver on mars wouldnt be that crazy.
on the return leg however is a different question

>>16091385
first one is retarded and what people said during the apollo era. second one isnt controversial. third is reality with one example being boring company.

>>16091374
The EDS must flow.

>>16091381
what am I looking at?

>>16091374
They doubled down, because the writer focuses on "evils of Musk" story

https://twitter.com/KenKirtland17/status/1771244505989108166/

AMERICAN LANDERS ON AMERICAN MOON

>>16091396
saggy balls

>>16091396
Mass stress test

>>16091402
isn't that the fake starship HLS render with the deployable solar panels?

>>16091380
>>16091388
even shittle used control surfaces for pitch and roll control.
How would they maintain pitch control with rcs? they would burn through it all before landing

>>16089747
SpaceX keeps moving downstream. Earth observation providers will get BTFO along with communications providers. Navigation is obviously next. If this isn't stopped, it's eventually going to permanently kill off all competition in American space sector

>>16090381
>2/3rds of Salyut-1's volume
That's tiny

>>16091413
maybe the competition should stop sucking dick?
ever thought of that

hey /sfg/ rate my landing legs for HLS. lays flat when undeployed, could use same movement equipment as the flaps, nice wide base and maybe use same steel or something as satrship for extra cheapness. Give it to me straight

>>16089747
SpaceX keeps moving downstream. Earth observation providers will get BTFO along with communications providers. Navigation is obviously next. If this isn't stopped, it's eventually going to permanently kill off all competition in the American space sector except tiny amounts that will be kept on life support on Bezos' and Amazon's dime

>>16091417
bretty cool anon

>>16090381
hopefully these vastfags arent just working on the surface level meme of building a pressure vessel. they need to figure out how to filter the air in a large volume or people will asphyxiate in airflow dead zones. in the iss its relatively eassy because its a series of tubes, but in a large volume like that its hard

>>16090381
>>16091415
how big is that in comparison to something like an RV?

>>16091417
How does it cope with slopes though

>>16091416
Payload providers and operators can't compete with SpaceX's internal launch prices, no matter how good they are.

As for launch providers; ever heard of the concept of "first mover advantage"? SpaceX only had to compete with oldspace, and could fund its R&D with fat margins on operations even when they only had products of intermediate quality. Newcomers can't, they have to compete with SpaceX.

Save for Congressional intervention, basically the only way American space industry structure might be saved from a permanent and incredibly-hard-to-reverse monopolization that inevitably leads to long-term stagnation, is thanks to Bezos paying out of his own pocket to keep BO going, or maybe if Stoke pulls off a massive hat trick.

lunar pad?

>>16091424
Either build new business on a paved road
or try to create a company that wants to pave the roads

The smarter is to just create business on a paved roads, this benefits all. No one's competing in the US to build highway tracks. They compete in building businessess around those highways laid out.

>>16091410
not claiming to know all the answers, but im sure the engineers at spacex thought through all of this and still came to the conclusion that it was feasible, however they obviously did change the design to have control surfaces.

Thinking of some rationale behind ITS im sure it has much more RCS fuel than the shuttle did. Like probably an order of magnitude more. Additionally, ITS would have a much steeper descent profile than the shuttle, and after the initial reentry breaking and heating it could flip onto its ass and drop straight to the ground minimizing the time needed for RCS. I need to do some more research i guess.

Your questioning is probably one of the major reasons why they switched over to the current starship design, but its interesting to note how long they kept fixed wings on the aft of starship. BFR was a fugly design.

>>16091422
adding some kind of vertical adjustment mechanism to the legs kinda defeat the point maybe. Three legged stools dont wobble so maybe the legs can just open to varying amounts to get mostly flat land. Or little foots that are just hydraulic jacks on the very tips with maybe a couple ft travel?

>>16091406
there is no official render of HLS Starship, just concept or fanarts

>>16091428
Let me see if I understand your analogy correctly.

SpaceX owns the the road. It can charge road users whatever. SpaceX is building its own businesses along the road, and SpaceX's own businesses pay less for transportation services than non-SpaceX businesses do. In that environment, how are non-SpaceX businesses supposed to compete? They will eventually go out of business, and only SpaceX-owned businesses will remain.

>>16091434
SpaceX doesn't "own" the road. They make the roads. People are free to make their own roads, but its stupid if a large paved road already exists.

>>16091434
By providing better services than SpaceX? SpaceX has very limited budget in man power and finances. They cant do everything all at once because 9 billion people dont work for SpaceX and SpaceX doesn't have 100 trillion yearly budget.

>>16091434
SpaceX doesn't own the road, they own the most ecomical transportation traveling on the road.

>>16091436
SpaceX owns its own launchers, so for your road analogy to make sense, SpaceX owns the road too.

>People are free to make their own roads
How would they pay for that? Do current market conditions allow anyone to bring in the very large amount of money they would need to field their own launcher that is cost-competitive with the incumbent, unless they have Jeff Bezos' selling Amazon shares to bridge funding gaps?

>>16091445
It doesn't really matter if they own the road or the vehicles in this analogy. The consequence is the same. What matters is that they own a means of transportation that is uniquely cost-efficient by a wide margin.

>>16091446
Why would anyone want to build a 2nd highway when the first one isn't saturated? Why allocate money to build a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc etc tiny tiny 1/10th to 1/100th of the road that SpaceX had built? Especially when the road you want to build is 1/10th the size but cost the same as SpaceX and cant build it fast enough. The smart money isn't in building roads, the smart money is building companies using the road. The goal is to maximize money for the companies, not to compete with SpaceX on building roads. Thats stupid money. You're just chasing FOMO instead of actual value creation.

How long could an orion battleship maintain 1g constant acceleration? I don’t know how to calculate this. I guess it would depend on mass and yield of bombs?

>>16091418
>Earth observation providers will get BTFO
spacex doesnt make the EO sensors on starshield, so even if the EO satellite companies end up having to fold their satellite operations, they could still survive by making sensors for starshield

>>16091439
How can they provide superior services than SpaceX - as in, greater quality for the same price, or cheaper for the same quality - when a major input costs more for them than it does SpaceX? By waving their magic wand?

>SpaceX has very limited budget in man power and finances.
Thanks to lower costs for the same product, SpaceX will have margins that their competitors will not. Gradually, over time, this will give them more money to do things with. This doesn't even count the option of raising money through the issuance of new equity or bonds.
As for manpower, they can gradually cannibalize their competitors by offering slightly higher pay. They will have the ability to do that thanks to their lower costs for the same product.

>>16091459
SpaceX has tight resources and are stretched to only handful of things they do. So just copy work ethics of SpaceX and build companies around SpaceX. SpaceX doesn't do everything in the world. They only do launch and internet atm. There are billion other opportunities.

If SpaceX is able to cut cost by going to raw materials, copy that. If they're able to cut cost by engineering superior products, copy that. The opportunity vector is endless

>>16091453
>The smart money isn't in building roads, the smart money is building companies using the road.
That'll see you get outcompeted when SpaceX launches a similar product. SpaceX's product can be identical in every respect in terms of how it is manufactured, and they'll still be able to offer it at lower price due to paying less for launch.

>The goal is to maximize money for the companies, not to compete with SpaceX on building roads. Thats stupid money.
It might be stupid for the entrepreneur, but it isn't stupid for society. Picrel.

>>16091467
SpaceX doesnt have billion hands. Holy fuck. are you a retarded disabled person?

>>16091464
SpaceX has "tight resources" only because they keep expanding at a fast rate. They don't have slack because they keep putting resources to use. The company has grown enormously since the start

>They only do launch and internet atm
They are preparing to expand into earth observation now. They will continue to expand, and sooner or later, they'll expand into everything.

>>16091381
nice sack

https://satelliteobservation.net/2024/02/20/countering-constellations-the-russian-space-nuke-scare/
https://satelliteobservation.net/2024/03/13/countering-constellations-jamming/

>With the news about mysterious Russian nuclear plans in space, let's review the country's progress on nuclear-powered satellites.

>>16091468
Is there some law of nature that says SpaceX can't hire more people or get more facilities? In fact, they have been doing so at a rapid pace.

>are you a retarded disabled person?
Have you ever touched an economics textbook at any point in your entire life?

>>16091475
Didn’t the US and Japan just sign a treaty saying that if either of our satellites are fucked with, it’s considered a direct act of war and that we are mutually obligated to declare war as allies?
Yeah I don’t think russia is going to try shit. Oh and the general public needs to grow up and stop shitting its britches at the thought of the “N-word”
(“nuclear”, in this case lol)

>>16091470
Thats 3 things in the future. Meanwhile there are billions of different things that can be done today.