/sci/ - Science & Math

>>16040107
>didn't think to remake sfg with pepe
damn..

>>16040112
Give me a space related pepe I'll do it next thread

I want to look out my window and see nothing but stars

>>16040107
Glass the Earth, demigod war eventually

https://spacenews.com/intuitive-machines-lands-on-the-moon/
>WASHINGTON — A robotic lander developed by Intuitive Machines landed safely on the moon Feb. 22, becoming the first privately developed spacecraft to touch down on the moon and the first American spacecraft to do so in more than half a century.

>>16040137
>Intuitive Machines delayed the landing by two hours to perform an additional orbit of the moon. The company said that it determined that laser rangefinders on the lander, a key instrument to enable a precise landing, were not working properly. Controllers uploaded a software patch to enable to the lander to use in their place use a NASA Doppler lidar payload originally intended to be a technology demonstration.

looking at the control center it seems like there aren't a lot of diversity hires on the team? maybe this is just confirmation bias

>>16040107
i thought they were called engine bells am i just stupid

>>16040142
they are both
its a nozzle shaped like a bell

I looked in /med/ and one of our guys was instigating >>16040000. Apparantly we are also /sfg/ - Superfag General

>>16040107
>didnt make it about Intuitive machines moon landing
OP i need you to be better

remember what they took from us

>>16040157
Im sorry but if I was going to make a new thread about the IM landing I wouldve needed images from the moon first and they havent provided that yet. Next thread if we get images sure.

>>16040157
It's a big missed opportunity so I'm actually going to use the other guys thread instead of this one despite the age

>>16040115

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/02/big-year-ahead-says-jeff-bezos-as-new-glenn-rocket-rolls-to-launch-pad/
>/ Dave Limp, Blue Origin's new CEO, and founder Jeff Bezos observe the New Glenn rocket on its launch pad Wednesday at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station, Florida.

>>16040161
Then you post the second best thing

>>16040165
Well janny SHOULD if hes not a lazy bastard get rid of one of the threads. We will see which one he goes with, it will probably be this one since he doesnt really care about /sfg/ happenings. Then again its more likely he ignores this shit entirely as per usual.

>>16040171
The other one* not this one
>>16040167
If you give me OP pic/edition ideas before hand on page 9 then I'll gladly take you up on that. I intentionally made the decision to not go for an IM edition due to no photos so I will ask about ideas I have when the time nears for next thread then. Unless janny doesnt delete other thread then we just go use the other one until we're back to 1 /sfg/.

btw if this landing had failed, it wouldn't have been impossible for NASA to cancel the CLPS programme under Congress pressure and just funnel the cash into old space

>>16040166
Is this bird even going to launch in 2024? Genuinely asking because the 'rocket' they currently have at the pad specifically says its not for flight

>>16040176
Suddenly feeling more warm towards IM than ever.

>3 moon landing attempts in a month
>zero /sfg/ OPs recognize this
Grim

>>16040180
Hasnt there been failure after failure until IM though, the nips flipped over and Peregrine freaked out mid flight and never made it. Again was hoping for moon images first, also pretty sure there was a dedicated Peregrine and SLIM edition, multiple

>>16040175
No has ever used my suggestions so I stopped bothering lol

/sfg/ is still on page 9, why are attention whores already making new threads?

>>16040189
Janny deleted a bunch of threads then, I had my page 10 screenshot on the staging message for a reason you cant bullshit that

>>16040178
that is what they keep saying
maybe they just don't want to risk damaging the flight article during ground operations testing, fits their style desu

>>16040185
OK? then do SLIM a baka edition or something. Or Peregrine fucking died edition, with en route pics. SLIM had an upside down selfie, like wtf is better than that?

>>16040194
Very cowardly when theyre backed by Bozos. Man I cant stand this slow and steady style, ULA too

>>16040138
Anon, they're in the Spaceflight business, not the "getting Blackrock's free Fed money" business

>>16040195
Hold on now I have to pull up the archive to show proof that these DID exist at the time. Heres Peregrine fucking died edition for you, and yes I made that one

>>16040191
thats not what happened, you staged early cause you're a sleazy attention whore, now you're lying about it because you're ashamed of being a sleazy attention whore

>>16040196
I am fan of it. I'm sick of elon's rough and tumble manchild approach.

>>16040207
Your sick of crash dummies being abused?

>>16040202
Good work OP, keep it up

>>16040166
>The first full-scale New Glenn rocket rolls out at Launch Complex 36.

>>16040204
I can tell you like suckin girls cocks. Big juicy cock on a woman. Why would you do that? Gross

>>16040204
Literally have a practice of screenshotting when staging so that dumb fucking arguments like these dont erupt and you still want to instigate when the proof is right there that the thread was done right. Heres the other op posting his staging message with page 10 as well from the archive.

So uhhmmm why isnt the OP about Blue Glenn fully built and ready edition?

I see that the other OP got deleted, are you banned or still with us because you seemed like a good anon from when we conversed.

I see they got some real downlink bandwidth 1.5h ago.

>>16040217
Im banned

>>16040204
this

>>16040204
your attempts at trolling are transparent

>>16040185
SLIM was succesful

>>16040221
bruther

No telemytry edition

>>16040216
is it fully ready and built though? I dont think so

>>16040204
Kill yourself retard

>>16040222
fren

>>16040222

>>16040225
It's flight ready. Bezos stood in front of it in am iconic photograph

>>16040214
Not him but ya i love that :3

>>16040226
>>16040221
>>16040214
Thank you for trying to maintain order anons.

>>16040224
>>16040225
marriage

>2 generals on the whole board
LMAO

>>16040178
>However, Jarrett Jones, Blue Origin's vice president of New Glenn, told Aviation Week he is confident in flying the rocket this year. “We’re launching this year. It’s happening,” Jones said. “Our plan is to launch twice this year.”

>>16040235
what did anon mean by this

>>16040238
Lol, they dont even have a second stage yet and the booster clearly had a "not for flight" sticker. Why lie?

>>16040218
I wonder what the holdup was. The twitter thread suggests that because the Earth is so close to the horizon and the antenna gain is high enough to make it require accuracy, some steering was required

>>16040137
Where's the freaking data

>>16040246
so this retard was just expecting everyone to lithobrake on to the moon? his retardation knows no bounds

>>16040246
Holy copium Batman

>>16040137
Where's the freaking data!!

I think everyone missed the important part of the Berger article.

Coleman said that when he joined the Commercial Space Transportation arm of the FAA in 1996, the organization had 40 employees. A decade ago, there were 73. Now there are 143, and the organization is "aggressively" seeking to grow to 157 staffers in Florida, California, Texas, and Washington, DC.

>"Right now, we're at about 140 people, and they're pedaling as fast as they can," he said. "We're working on the weekends. We're working late into the night. We do need additional staff."

They only have 150 people working on licensing when they plan to have over 150 licenses for commercial spacecraft this year. They need some help with this shit ASAP, why is congress sitting on its ass to provide money when usually they love blowing money on whatever they can?

>>16040246
Does this guy just hate spaceflight or something? I thought he only hated SpaceX

>>16040252
Each new employee costs 1 billion dollars and we gave it all to israel

>>16040258
He hates Elon, which is connected to SpaceX, which is connected to Falcon 9, which is connected to Intuitive Machines because they chose to fly Falcon.

>>16040258
no, he absolutely hates Musk, probably one of the worst cases of EDS I've ever seen
he has a channel dedicated to shitting on Musk
style is similar to thunderfoot but the content is almost exclusive to shitting on Musk and Musk connected companies

https://www.youtube.com/@commonsenseskeptic/videos

What do people with terminal EDS stand to gain from it?

>>16040258
He has EDS

>>16040287
youtube ad revenue

>>16040287
Sweet serotonin whenever something bad happens to Felon Husk because they supported the right side (TM)

>>16040287
Righteous anger is a drug more potent and addictive than booze
It seems inevitable in hindsight that even as internet trolling became mainstream, some people would start enjoying being trolled

https://take.supersurvey.com/poll5118265x878A4E55-155

>>16040299
i just got a virus

>>16040301
tried to use strawpoll but that piece of shit didn't seem to work, maybe there is a less cancer site

>>16040304
Nah my pihole just blocks thst domain lol

https://strawpoll.com/GJn47NG6Xyz

now it worked

since when are we staging from page 9?

>>16040318
Since the janny deletes a bunch of threada after staging has already happened
This happens semi regularly, the worst case Ive seen is half the catalog getting deleted

Today, for the first time in half a century, America has returned to the Moon .
On the eighth day of a quarter-million-mile voyage, @Int_Machines aced the landing of a lifetime.
What a feat for IM, @SpaceX & @NASA.
What a triumph for humanity.
Odysseus has taken the Moon.

Thought on this speech?

Is rocketlab a good investment?

>>16040342
I wouldn't personally invest, but I haven't looked into their financials at all
I'm pretty pessimistic about the future of their launch business though

staging

Texas has taken the Moon

>>16040213
>not for flight

>>16040342
How are they going to compete? SpaceX has already rekt their smallsat business. Neutron is at minimum years away and will maybe compete with Falcon 9?.... By which time Starship and New Glenn will be operating and no doubt one of the millions of space tug companies will be getting their rideshare payloads into preferred orbits.

Idk man seems like it's over. Are they public? I might short them.

>Staging

>>16040370
I was expecting this with Starship hot staging

>>16040377
ift-3

>odyssey transmitting
>go to bed
>wake up 12 hours later
>still no images
????????????

>>16040389
It's not that easy in digital imagery

>>16040390
nasa did it with tin foil 70 years ago

>>16040391
2024: https://www.nasa.gov/humans-in-space/nasas-the-color-of-space-documentary-celebrates-black-space-explorers/

>>16040389
It's over, again...

>>16040379
Never ever, ITAR.

>>16040390
This

Reminder that the Moon is both a planet AND a comet

https://twitter.com/VardaSpace/status/1760726397889466792

>>16040406

>>16040408

>>16040409

>>16040409
OSIRIS-REX vibes

>>16040410

>>16040411
yep, but this time I guess they didn't use some insane Rube Goldberg machine to transport it to the final location

>>16040389
Do you really think they would release images of the first american lunar lander in 52 years while everyone slept?

>>16040418
especially since Rogozin challenged NASA to prove it landed on the moon

>>16040410
What is that gadget?

>>16040423

>>16040423
Smelloscope

>>16040423

>>16040422
Can the Russians detect reflected photons from the corner cube NASA says it put on the moon to measure distance? Even if they can, Armstrong and Aldrin never went there.

>>16040431
Yes, the Russians can detect reflected photons from the corner cube NASA placed on the moon. The Lunokhod 1 reflector, a Soviet laser reflector lost for 40 years, was rediscovered on the moon by scientists. The return signal from the reflector was measured as a collection of photons, with the signal being surprisingly bright, at least five times brighter than other Soviet reflectors.
Written by Perplexity.AI/ChatGPT

>>16040246
> An automotive navigation system engineer in a former life – Now disabled

Oh, a crank on disability with plenty of time. What a treasure you have found.

>company landed on the moon
>another company created a product in space and brought it back to the earth to sell it
this was unimaginable just 10 years ago

>>16040245
Other issues aside *cough it crashed cough* the lander has limited antenna coverage and has to be oriented juuuuust right to work. Which is stupidity reliant on your "pinpoint" landing working as advertised.

Stupid design.

>>16040474
fire the communications engineer this is a joke

>>16040478
Assume there's an omni antenna somewhere on there, but that's not going to give much beyond "I am here".

Regarding Falcon boosters landing in the Bahamas, is there any significant saving of delta V and so increased performance in needing less of a boost-back burn?

>>16040483
It just opens new launch trajectories

>>16040117
Are you new?

>>16040158
Noone liked alpaca.

>>16040492
I liked alpaca because it provided a motivation for seeking out negative mass

if only there was a satellite network orbiting the moon that landers could communicate with...

>>16040495
Lockheed Martin Parsec
Status: in limbo

Space bros... how can we still justify the moon landing was true? After all theses failure moon missions in the last years, how can we explain to normies we cant land a shitty plobe properly now days but we did land two men and bring them back safe to earth 50 years ago... Maybe im driving crazy but... Im starting to believe in moon deniers

>>16040495
https://www.nokia.com/thought-leadership/articles/network-on-the-moon/
>NASA selected Nokia to deploy the first LTE network in space to test lunar surface communications for future applications.

>16040522
Muttoid america simply can't match up to white america. Browns like you wouldn't get it.

kino

>>16040524
https://www.nokia.com/about-us/newsroom/articles/inside-look-at-nokia-moon-mission/
>Nokia has partnered with Intuitive Machines and Lunar Outpost for the uncrewed lunar mission called IM-2, which will land at the Moon’s south pole. IM-2 is planned for 2024, though the exact timing will be determined by Nokia’s mission partners.

>>16040531
> The Nokia LTE/4G network funded by the NASA Tipping Point program will be deployed on the Moon sometime in late 2022.

May we see it?

am i the only one who finds it kind of sad that by the time we land on the moon again over half the world population in russland and chinkland along with all magatards will claim that it's fake because of advances in ai generatyed iamgery and video? It will be kind of impossible to verify if its real or not (apart from looking yourself) by the time we l;and in the 30's

And Nokia is 4G from/to payload or rover from lander,. So not a telsat. Boy, that would be handy right about now.

>>16040335
it was good. i like bill desu.

>>16040522
I think the problem with tje apollo space program is that it's way easier to put a man up there who can actively react to unexpected situations and respond accordingly than to shoot a "dumb" remote controlled robot into space and hope he does what some guy back on earth coded into it. Is just my thought tho, not an expert.

>>16040545
There's only one thing for it, make Moon landings so common that anyone can do it. It would be like calling Poland fake AIslop because they hadn't met any Polish people.

>>16040522
I don’t give a shit and I’m not here to convince anyone of anything. If reality needs to be “argued,” then you’re just talking with retards.
Are you concerned about teaching some blue haired english major about calculus? No? Then why are you concerned about defending the american moon landings to people who don’t know—and who quite frankly don’t really care

>>16040538
Here we go. The Nokia 4G antennas are the Devo hats on top. Supposed to be tested on the next IM lander, which will make them another mission critical component being tested for the first time -- in use.

Such fun!

>>16040554
No wait! Those must be reaction thrusters. They've got tubes. Where are those antennas.....

>>16040252
Why does it take a person-year to grant a launch license? They should be aggressively streamlining the process and turning common launch corridors into permanent civil aviation exclusion zones.

>>16040466
It was unimaginable just a few weeks ago.

>>16040551
I'll take any excuse to get us up there again.

>>16040527
https://vimeo.com/24410924

>>16040560
Nah, that wozld take effort and money and amerimutts need that for their military sector. That 99th aircraft carrier aint gonna build itself.

>>16040560
>turning common launch corridors into permanent civil aviation exclusion zones

>>16040561
japanese and israeli companies both failed a few months ago

So, uh, where's those moon pics?

>>16040592
Sorry, we are trying to remove the moon people from the pics, photoshop is hard

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1761025186856411334

>>16040588
What are the consequences for eastern seaboard flights?

>>16040560
>>16040588
They should just treat rocket safety like aeroplane safety, enough of this retarded exclusion zone nonsense. Get air traffic control to make sure no plane is directly underflying the launch corridor for the 3 minutes the rocket is flying down it, but do away with the insane safety standards which arent applied to planes.

>>16040599
chances are they went home for the night and are only now making their way through houston's multi-hour traffic to get to work

>>16040342
I have a few shares for the memes, but there's no money in launch, that's why SpaceX had to keep raising billions for years (and all the newcomers who don't have access to endless VS money are DOA) and is so aggressively pursuing Starlink and why ULA was charging so much for their rockets (and had to aggressively slim down the company to make Vulcan pricing work while still producing profits for Boing and Locksneed, say what you want about Tory, but the way he turned around ULA is impressive and yet the prices still can't match SpaceX so he has to peddle those high energy memes). Which is also why Rocket Lab is trying to get into in-space transportation and all sorts of other stuff. They seem pretty well established at this point and are getting some military contracts, that always helps, but ultimately I think they're too small to really get anywhere and don't have the VC hype to get enough money for it (also Beck at least acts like he doesn't like to overhype things and prefers to stay pragmatic, which is admirable, but obviously won't get that kind of money). If they can get decent business for Neutron they'll probably stay around, but BO finally coming online is gonna make things hard and even if they stick around I don't see them growing much, probably damned to become the eternal best of the also-rans. So depends on what you consider a good investment, but rather no.

>>16040602
But won't starship make airplane travel obsolete in the future anyways?

Lander is healthy

Lunar Surface Day One Update (23FEB2024 0818 CST)
Odysseus is alive and well. Flight controllers are communicating and commanding the vehicle to download science data. The lander has good telemetry and solar charging.

We continue to learn more about the vehicle’s specific information (Lat/Lon), overall health, and attitude (orientation). Intuitive Machines CEO Steve Altemus will participate in a press conference later today to discuss this historic moment. Press conference information will be coordinated with NASA and published shortly.

https://x.com/int_machines/status/1761032731729739804?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

>>16040611
>NO PHOTOS OR VIDEOS
NO PHOTOS OR VIDEOS
>NO PHOTOS OR VIDEOS

>>16040613
NASA doesn't want their press conference to have its thunder stolen and they pay for all this. Everything is fine.

>>16040605
>e2e
not happening except for niche military cargo

>>16040617
>niche military cargo
nuclear bombs...

>>16040599
Well, they have time to figure out the problems.

> Since the lander is solar powered, it only has six days until lunar Night kills it.

Still....

> or less, if it landed wrong and the solar panels aren't orientated correctly to charge.

"To shreds you say?"

ok but really, whats the business case for companies wanting to buy a ride on a lunar lander? the thing only lasts two weeks.

>>16040622
>the thing only lasts two weeks.

7 days max this trip, because it landed at Moon Noon. For the real trips, it's supposed to land in the always day areas of the Pole, so the power constraint relaxes to whatever.

Theoretically.

>>16040617
Starship is a rocket that can go into space and travel through the air point to point.

Thus Starship is a space-plane

>>16040617
cope darling, the E2E boom WILL happen in our lifetimes

>>16040545
who cares lmao

>>16040557
those thin rods sticking out in random directions on the rectangular metal thing on top?

>>16040588
they could easily fly around it

>>16040622
nothing really at this point, perhaps lunar ISRU in the future and all the supporting infrastructure and business around that
maybe research/military bases and tourism later

>>16040649
by Lunar ISRU I mean extracting water and making propellants to sell to earth orbit
there might or might not be a business case there, it might even work as a business due to the comparative advantage in trade
meaning even if it was strictly cheaper to send propellants to orbit using Starships and whatever, the opportunity cost of that mass (sending something more useful) might mean it is economically rational to buy propellants from the moon instead of sending them from earth

>>16040653
We need a sat manufacturing and launch facility on the moon. Do that.

>>16040622
I could see universities paying to get some science experiment on there. it's not a huge market but it should be relatively stable if the price for a ride is low enough

>>16040658
as long as there is interesting stuff to research

>>16040658
non-commercial research doesnt count

>>16040605
have fun finding a spot for a launch pad in london

>>16040668
the only way it could work is launch platforms 20 miles out at sea with e-vtols to shuttle the passengers. expensive.

>>16040668
>no launch pad in London
Nothing of worth was lost

>>16040522

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G_2Ohyjq3E

>>16040618
dont need to fly back and reuse in that case. we can invent something that follows a ballastic trajctory too. like a magic missle. a "ballastic magic missile"

>>16040698
This feels like some sort of pedo community

>>16040668
You mean to suggest that we can level Brixton _and_ get something else useful as a bonus?

>>16040710
is brixton a real place, lol?
i thought that was a fairytale place like cheshire

how innately can humans feel the amount of gravity they are experiencing?
for example, if we were to create an artificial gravity ring space station where the bottom deck has 1g acceleration and each deck above that loses say 0.05g, would people be able to tell without checking that they were on deck 5 because gravity was only 0.8g?

>>16040724
This is definitely a question for fighter pilots and high speed racers. I imagine we could simply get used to low variations, or it would feel like a slight pressure upon our skin.

>>16040724
I volunteer to find out, put me in a spinhab and start trying different rotation rates, I'll let you know how it feels.

>>16040727
>OK, today we'll start at 100G and work our way downwards. Who is the first volunteer?

>>16040727
Put me in a spinhab and fire the motors, I am ready

Following up my “pax americana” question from yesterday:
Is the word “retard” acceptable again??? It’s like all of a sudden people on the left and right have just entered it back into their diction again wtf hahah

>>16040739
comments are usually garbage anywhere you go. people that can provide valuable comments usually only do so if they get paid for it.

>>16040732
Balls to the wall, rad

This thing makes me legitimately angry every time I see it

>SSTO
>NTR
>Shuttle derived
>Air launched

Where on earth are they putting all of the liquid hydrogen that would allow this to get to orbit?
Liquid hydrogen is so light that you need meme, rice paper, balloon tanks to have a reasonable mass fraction.
Wet wings would have absolutely laughable mass fraction filled with LH2.
On top of that it's basically the shuttle orbiter, which it's self was never designed to have significant tankage, so the mass fraction is going to be even worse; so much of this thing is not fuel tank, it literally retains the shuttle payload bay lmao.
The space shuttle orbiter weighs 80 tons empty (similar to SS) with practically zero tankage.
You cannot afford this kind of shit if you are making an SSTO.

This monstrosity is also mounted on top of the carrier aircraft and is capable of horizontal flight while fully fuelled up, which is complete nonsense.
It also has tip mounted stabilisers instead of the traditional shuttle tail for basically no reason, just for cool points clearly.

I hate it so much, the only thing that makes any sense at all is that the air launch might help it get around the awful performance of NTR at high atmospheric pressure.

If I see anyone refer to this thing as 'a more realistic SENPAI design' I will go postal.

>>16040724
People are pretty sensitive to lateral accelerations, or vertical accelerations in excess of +1g. You'd probably be able to tell 0.8g or less.

>>16040750
>tip mounted stabilisers instead of the traditional shuttle tail for basically no reason
That's the one thing that makes sense with this design. The irl shuttle tail was dead weight on reentry. The shuttle had to rely 100% on its rcs for yaw control because the tail was not in the airstream.

>>16040750
wow that's a lot of words. why are you so angry about a more realistic shuttle design?

>>16040335
He wants Congress to stop cutting his budget / 10

>>16040764

>>16040750
These are magic NTRs like the ones in Armageddon. Movie NTRs have double or even quadruple the isp of the real thing

>>16040770
thats a picture of your mom last night.

>>16040772
yeah we know you love ntr little bro

now we just need to get these landers to start landing near each other so we can get some kind of robotic outpost started

>>16040784
china is working on this

>>16040785
China is very powerful!

https://x.com/gedmark/status/1761070164462973426

The USSF is freeing itself from oldspace bloat.

>>16040793
This is the real reason people opposed creating it.

>>16040793
>We're paying how much for something Starlink does better, faster and cheaper?

>>16040793
A glimmer of hope

>>16040772
Real NTR have 2-3x the ISP of the most efficient chemical rockets.

>>16040800
keep deaming you fucking fat bitch.

>>16040800
and movie NTRs have 4-12x the ISP of real chemical rockets

NOAA needs to pick up its space game
NASA needs to apply the first A in it's name to re-focus on atmospheres of other worlds

>>16040739
Musk buying twitter has moved or widened the Overton window a bit
the word retard is not cancel worthy anymore i don't think but I guess it might depend
these things seem to be kind of fluid

>>16040793
BASED
fuck old space

>>16040809
no progressives think it's based on using slurs against those whom they deem as bigots/reactionaries bc of the paradox of tolerance or something. It's their comeback to the "so much for the tolerant left" thing that conservatives say

>>16040814
I have no idea what this post is trying to say, but here's a picture of Mars.

>>16040816
that's a pic from Canada

>>16040816
that's a pic from Jupiter

>>16040545
>hes interested in space to own the republikkkans
>not to go to space
go back

The pictures. Where?

>>16040820
*she

>>16040816
>spaceflight fags really believe this photo of rocks on a beach somewhere in the tundra is from mars

>>16040816
pic of my backyard

>>16040823
hello schizo

>>16040820
What are you talking about? Sounds like your personally offended because i brought up the party you vote for. Magatards overwhelmingly beleivel the moon landings were fake, that was my point.

>>16040828
Black retard thinks Im a MIGAcel zionist flat earther. Unsurprising

>>16040828
i don't beleivel the goon landings were faked doe

>>16040793
space force is pulling out of GEO while china is sticking it in
https://spacenews.com/china-launches-classified-military-satellite-towards-geostationary-belt/

who's right?

>>16040816
me on the right

>>16040833
China is extremely powerful!

Old picture

>>16040837
new video

>>16040588
Yes. Fuck wetbacks, fuck South America, and fuck vacation travelers.

>>16040837
New picture! Look at all that dust.

>>16040844
Fuck you stupid nigger amerimutt

>>16040847
You have to go back.

>>16040844
>>16040847
LatinX infighting
You both will never GTS

Rate my stainless weld bros

>>16040854
Shiny and rainbowish

>>16040854
Tig right? Good job soldier, make sure to sand it off so it looks good though.

>>16040854
9/10 she’s nice

>>16040833
>space force is pulling out of GEO

wumao will wumao

>>16040854
is this aerospace grade?

>still no pics from the moon
good luck getting funding for a second lander you cheap fucks

>>16040877
what if I want an expensive fuck instead?

>>16040877
PLEASE
I am BEGGING you
calm your fucking tits

>>16040880
Nta, I thought it tipped over and they're saying it didn't tip over, so now I wanna see even more.

>>16040880
>last hour announcement on a friday
companies only do this for bad press so it gets forgotten by monday morning

>>16040880
wow it took them that long to render some pics?
do they have AMD cards or something lol

>>16040880
ITS OVER

>>16040882
Or it is because it hasn't even been 24 hours since it landed.

>almost march
>Still no IFT-3 news

Spx bros... This time im really scared

>>16040816
that's a slice of pepperoni

>>16040902
ULA won

hope they make good use of the FTS

>>16040912
but it landed so it's not in flight though?

>>16040750
did they ever specifically say it used LH2? you can run an NTR on ammonia/methane blends that are much denser and still outperform chemical engines

Reminder to ignore gaslighting attempts and remember that the most recent statement for IFT-3 is "early to mid March."

do arrays start at index 1 or 0 on mars

>>16040919
mars runs on matlab

>>16040919
i hope you fail computer class

>>16040793
Big W

>>16040902
>no IFT-3 news

anon I...

>>16040919
mars doesnt use your colonizer concepts of math

so they landed right?
well, where are the fucking images?
the poo's were faster than this

>>16040934
still being generated

>>16040918
its over

>>16040934
>the poo's were faster than this
and the japs were slower. just fucking chill. it's not happening any faster

>>16040761
I really hate the shuttle, but that's so retarded I actually can't even believe it. Do you have a source? best I could find while searching is
>The yaw RCS was the last to be de-activated, and the queue for that was by Mach number. In particular, yaw RCS was active until the vehicle was traveling at sub-sonic speeds. We should note that the Shuttle Orbiter was unstable in the yaw axis through most of the supersonic regime, and the yaw RCS was used to provide additional control authority during this period.

>>16040943
It's like every spaceplane in KSP, if even one thing goes slightly wrong on reentry you're not recovering.

10 mins until we know whether or not IM is full of shit

>>16040943
it'd probably take an hour for me to find it but i distinctly remember reading a convair space shuttle report on NTRS from 1969-1970 or so which had a few pages making the case that faget/north american's single tail was useless for yaw control during reentry and their x-37-style vee tail was way better

>>16040882
or because they landed on a thursday just in case it fucking crashed

i though the stream a was at 3pm

>>16040996
it is

>>16040998
well its 3pm and 404 not found

>>16041000
3pm arizona time retard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWEwR8fscFY

lol the Eagle camera didn't deploy
No Kino landing images for you /sfg/cels

>>16041004
>5pm est
yep its a failure. companies only drop news at 5pm or later because they dont want it to hit their stocks.

>>16041004
But I don't LIVE in Arizona anon!

>>16040474
>>16040495
If only an electric motor had the power to adjust the angle of a small antenna.......................

>>16041012
post your short position

>>16040668
I don't know what you're talking about
WVB found plenty of places for them to land

>>16040943
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19840020732/downloads/19840020732.pdf
Space Shuttle Separate-Surface Control-System Study
NASA Technical Paper 2340
>In the high-speed, high-angle-of-attack regime, the airflow over the vertical stabilizer is masked by the main body of the vehicle.
>Consequently, the rudder and speed brake are relatively ineffective and the vehicle is statically unstable.

>>16040287
the Felonius Huskrat must suffer
>>16040308
Three (3) [III]

>>16040409
me on the right on my way to the LAN party

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWEwR8fscFY

get in here!

>>16040435
that's definitely made up

>>16040880
It's up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWEwR8fscFY

Do these press conferences ever start on time?

START WITH THE PICS

>>16041180
I'm impressed it took 2 minutes. If there were Ballast Bill it'd take 2 hours, of course.

I have a feeling there's no pictures coming

>>16041197
it's not inspiring confidence so far, is it?

>NO PHOTOS AT THIS TIME
im out

>>16041198
Apparently they're just now downloading the pictures buffer, so it's going to take some time

>>16041204
OH
SHIT

>>16041204
How did they go from full videos in 1969 to shity pictures like this?

we fucking tipped over onto a rock

IT FUCKING TIPPED

LOL TIPPED

I told you it flipped.

LMAOOOOO

THE ABSOLUTE STATE

bro nasa told you 60 years ago to use short and squat

OWARI DA

>hopefully we'll get a picture this weekend

We're never getting that fucking video are we

>>16041218
I don't know why all these retards keep using topheavy landers without actual crew on board to adjust.

>>16040483
I'm telling you, they need to launch from Vandenburg and land in Arizona
there is nothing in between these two points

>>16041218
>tall lander FUD
They came down with 2 mph horizontal 6 mph vertical.
It's just a software problem. You need to touch down at zero zero just like Falcon 9.

>>16041220
In two weeks

O SAY, CAN YOU SEE, BY THE DAWN'S EARLY SHART

>>16041227
despite its shape falcon is extremely bottom heavy. IM-1 probably has a much higher CG relative to its footprint

>>16041225
Short and squat wins the race

>>16041226
>Prescott
lmao

>>16041232
Okay but there's no reason you can't touch down at pretty much zero.
Watch the NASA skycrane footage from Perseverance.
It's fully rocket powered flight and it descends and holds position rock solid.

this guy has been whining for 10 minutes straight

>While China land it 3 times
>One on the moons dark side
>One that bring 2 kg back to earth

OH NO NO NO mutts bros!! This century is for us China bros, GLORY TO THE CCP!!

>>16041226
I support this as a citizen of Arizona

>>16041226
>dealing with california regulators
hard pass

told you it was bad news. thats why they waited until the stock market closed to announce that it fell over.

I want Eric Berger to tear these chucklefucks a new asshole

>>16041239
You would be too

>>16041245
lol

I don't get it, just cancel all horizontal velocity before you land. what a bunch of bozos

>>16041253
everyone is scrambling to get their money out because they know its over

>>16041245
>>16041253
they'll be more than fine if they can get a photograph published before monday

>millimeter/s accurate NASA space lasers
>still crashes down at 10mph

>>16041255
you can't simulate 1/6G on Earth so you basically just have to do the math and hope that your lander isn't too bouncy

where is berger? why are they dodging his questions?

>>16041261
How about enough RCS that a little bounce won't matter.

>>16041261
holy cope.

>>16041261
Test the design in KSP

>supposed to land at 1m/s vertically
>they were flying sideways at 6m/s until they hit a rock and fell over
never hire indian programmers

>>16040739
I'm still actively attempting to cut it out of my speech but I'm not going to cancel anybody for it
>>16040823
nice colorjob
>>16040854
you got it too hot

>>16041274
>they were flying sideways at 6m/s until they hit a rock and fell over
2mph sideways. 6mph down.

>all customer payloads lost
LMFAO

>>16041279
including the NFT """art""", hopefully

>>16040854
I think you might have a bit of undercut, make sure your weld surface never goes below the surface of the bare metal, if it does increase feed rate
>>16041173
I looked it up and it's real

>>16041279
>>16041283
>FUD
lmao. that's not what he said shill nigger

>>16041234
Prescott is fake
I think you can avoid every town if you do a slight boostback or angle a bit south or both
>>16041244
just get the feds to lean on them, say it's for national security

>we uhhhh..... forgot to take the safety off the lasers
LMAO

>>16041294
>the payloads were successful before the landed landed
>also none of them are exposed to the surface of the moon aside from the art project
its sugar coated copium

this is my safety . jpg

>>16041303
Yeah you're just an ESL retard.
Learn english.
The "static" payload is facing the sun.
All of the other ones are on the bottom.

They literally just need to give it a wider leg span.

>>16041309
No lol.
They need to fix their shitty software how else are you gonna be sure they don't go 5mph sideways next time?

>>16040178
There's 10 months left. I don't think it can be ruled out

landing software was solved 70 years ago. literally just copy the code.

>>16041313
make the legs wide enough it can handle 20mph sideways who cares

>>16041315
People who work in assembler would never call it 'code.'
That's what fucking losers who use Pyth*n call it.

>>16041316
>>16041309
What I do is cover the lander in steel girder parts so no matter how it lands it rolls to a stop.

>>16041315
we've had autonomous glideslope landings since the 1920s

all landers should have a robot wars style flipper in future.

>>16041320
NO
VERT SPINNER ONLY

Well hopefully they download the video soon

>>16040447
>Tonight I wear a shirt
>Hammond wears a shirt
>and James says oh cock on the moon
>"oh cock"

IM's odysseus and Peregrine had similar Quality control but one rolled 0 and the other rolled 20

>>16040522
Funding levels and the QA it enabled

>>16041327
>using faggy dnd terms
why dont you kys and go back to >>>/lit/sffg/

>>16041327
it's funny when you know more about apollo they ran into these problems all the time too but having humans on board meant they actually had someone to flip off the laser safety or reset a circuit breaker or tape up the co2 scrubber or whatever

>>16040643
>boom
I think that's part of the problem with e2e

now watch a GOOD lunar landing
https://apolloinrealtime.org/17/?t=112:57:50

So the antenna are basically resetting and doing checkups every X time since they can't lock onto the heartbeat signal for more than some time and they can't switch that function off yet.

A bit disappointing, but still a way better outcome than smashing into the surface like POCK COCK MOCK and ispace last year; at least they're getting data and doing stuff on the moon. Actually pretty impressive for not only a small company's first lunar landing, but landing closer to the south pole than anything before. If NASA just had JPL make a lander it probably would have landed perfectly on the first attempt, but cost way more than $118 mil.

>>16041241
>moons dark side

>>16041261
Just make it fucking wider so it's less tippy, this is literal child level design failures.

>>16041255
how do you know what your horizontal velocity is?
>>16041351
great, now it's too heavy and you can't carry more payloads now.

>>16041351
no, it needed to land the way that it was designed to land. Wasting mass and engineering time on accounting for vastly different circumstances than expected is oldspace mindset.

So they got the video right?

Man at least it landed. I'm Russian. Our junk slammed into Moon going 1700m/s

So we're all going to ignore the fact that there's no photo?

>>16041362
Carrying fewer payloads is better if it means the payloads you do carry don't smash into the surface or get buried upside down.

>>16041373
PLEASE UNDERSTAND

>>16041366
Landing on the moon is always going to be unpredictable until there are manmade clear LZs. Build accordingly.

>>16041255
Isn't it hard to measure horizontal velocity without any reference station? I think you'd have to look at the movement of surface contours, which might be hard to measure properly at low altitude and low speeds. A lunar GPS should solve this problem

>>16041370
of landing? No. Because it tipped over they're getting lower bandwidth so they're having trouble downlinking images. So even if it worked they'd have trouble getting video down.

>>16041190
he is usually pooping just beforehand and always goes longer than usual since he falls asleep on the potty. the interns wake him up its all good

>>16041379
that's what the doppler lidar's for.

>>16041381
Thats worse than smashing into a million pieces

>>16041362
>great, now it's too heavy
No reason for longer legs to weight more.

>>16041379
Just eyeball it yourself

>>16041386
they'd be bigger and longer, so why the FUCK wouldn't they be more massive?
>>weight more
weigh more, not weight more ESL

>>16041373
Amerimutts are still living off past achievements that you cant accomplish today, now day you are relevant in space thanks to a south african LMAO. What does it make you feel that the next moon landing in 4K will be chinese? While you have to watch your little flag there on VHS

>>16041384
why? All the payloads for their paying customers should work

>>16041395
They dont work because they have no data

>>16041391
I'm not ESL I'm just high.
Look at the legs the lander has right now. Notice they aren't made of carbon composites. Notice there are six of them when 4 is more than sufficient.

so is neptune's color really just the same as uranus? really disappointing if true..

>>16041383
Doesn't that just measure vertical velocity?

Or do you mean it is also used for measuring contour change?

>>16041402
I don't know what color your anus is, anon.

>>16041402
Yes it is, but it's not disappointing to anyone with an emotional intelligence more developed than an 8 year old girl's

Here's your photo, you whiny dickbags.

Doomers BTFO comPLETELY

>>16041400
anon, nothing you do to the legs will stop it from tipping when it's touching down going 5x the expected speed sideways and you haven't done anything to lower the center of gravity. This is a problem with the computer/engines that manage the descent, not the legs.

>>16041402
its tone is very slightly bluer (aka slightly less cyan), it's darker tho since further away from the sun

>>16041410
It's a pretty cool photo. 10km up in the air.

How hard is it to bring your shit to 0 relative velocity. Surely even pajeet could code this.

If v>1 then fire thruster

>>16041396
they're getting data slowly. Now go goon or something until it's downloaded.
>>16041405
Nope, all three components baby! It may even be TRL 9 now if the downlinked data doesn't say it got fucked up.
>>16041410
at altitude, now we gotta wait for landed images.

https://twitter.com/DrPhiltill/status/1761171833489969523
>everything is six times tippier on the moon
WIDER
FUCKING
LEGS

so what was its mission anyways? is it deploying something? can it still deploy sideways?

>>16041413
bullshitter

>>16041419
because lateral relative velocity is hard to measure.

>>16041421
So uhhhhh... how are they gonna do that with starship?

>>16041428
Is this...?

ok just somebody build a bare bones lunar spaceport so the landers stop crashing

>>16041426
Wider legs.

>>16041436
so it needs to look like this?

>>16041436
>>16041445
Just land it sideways intentionally
Problem solved

>>16041445
the ancient ayys showed us the way but we ignored them

>>16041445
more like this

>>16041447
oh yeah that could never go wrong

>>16041447
So like some sort of space airplane?

Just make your lander a ball shape

Unironically

>>16041436
I figure we'll end up seeing legs similar to falcon on starship HLS

>>16041457
dbz shit is too advanced for humans apparently

>>16041457
it worked in the past

>>16041459
More like ITS. Chopstick catch of the upper stage will be abandoned.

>>16041454
WE NEED THEM TO BE EVEN WIDER

>>16041461
>the balls are touching
OH NO NO NO NO

>>16041459
just drop a tiny probe with terrain mapping sensors prior to landing to scout the area. once you've found a suitable spot you can precision land ala falcon 9

>>16041426
>>16041436
I said this yesterday, we need a horizontal landing configuration for Starship HLS. Can't tip over if you're already tipped over.

>>16041456
Yes
Except without the air part

>>16041466
Nothing is beyond true professionals
See
>>16041454

>>16041466
>Can't tip over if you're already tipped over.
Once again, yes you can >>16041454

>>16041457

>>16041467
And without the runway

>>16040474
They have a weird engineering fetish for razor thin margins. How much fat can be cut. Imagine if bridges were built like that..

>>16041472
Pretty cool idea but I don't know how long the "flexible protective cage" would last after getting blasted by lunar sun and night thermal rotations

>>16041451
the height to width ratio's way more than what IM-1 had.

>>16041477
>>razor thin margins
That's how aerospace works