/sci/ - Science & Math

YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT NIGGER OP I WAS THE ONE PUSHING US TO PAGE 10 AND THEN YOU TAKE OP STATUS??? OH IM FUCKING DONE WITH YOU IM MAKING SURE I GET THE NEXT THREAD

Time crystals

Cancel MSR please!

>it's a 'space flight' spaceflight general
noooooooo

Post in this thread allot rush it to bump limit and then page 10 janny is asleep at the wheel we need to move ahead to next thread as quickly as possible

>>16030801
We wuz Bajorans n sheit.

>>16030818
Thats the least awful part of the OP. Also would anyone like to remember WHO did this SHIT of ruining the general the last time it happened around oh say IFT-2? The krystalnigger. Its happening AGAIN and janny AGAIN doesnt do ANYTHING

So much for that, eh, Anon?

>>16030829
Kek

>>16030785
I like space

so sick of this shit would you retards stop slapfighting over op status

>>16030826
Krystal's hot

Rangeban Oahu

Whats with NASAs obsession with exoplanets

I can't wait for rangeban earth being a thing

>>16030840
*Israel

>>16030843
I am so excited to see what HLS moonship is going to look like vgh

>>16030851
what does vgh mean

>>16030849
Do this and then rangeban the north pole of Mars only fags would live there

what are quasimoons and why does nobody talk about them

what food do we get to eat on the way to mars?

>>16030859
probably dehydrated veggies

>>16030806
why would anyone make this except to assert this is somehow funnier than the original? it's clearly not funnier than the original

>>16030858
>Quasimoons are hypothetical or temporary natural satellites that exhibit moon-like behavior but are not true moons. They could be objects like asteroids or other celestial bodies temporarily captured by a planet's gravitational pull, resembling moons in their orbital characteristics.
I think chatgpt is wrong here

>>16030858
you mean like cruithne?

>>16030859
Crunchwraps

>>16030863
yes can you explain what that orbit is and how it happens it looks very strange

>>16030861
Because theyre the lobotomite that made this thread, do you really need any other explanation?

>>16030848
Anything fake is like a magnet for NASA, they love telling lies. Thats why they're so gung ho over global warming too and gender equality as well. The faker something is, the more attracted to it NASA is

everyone dump your folder of launch webms i want to see it ALL in this thread.

>>16030829
Funny when I said March immediately after IFT-2 and fags jumped down my throat for being a doomer. Now it's NET March 4th and slipping

>>16030872
Also post every news story you can find, especially about IFT-3 and Starbase I want to see whats up

>>16030866
What an incredibly well made rocket (safest in history according to NASA) looks like.
Yes, safest. And that's after Falcon 9's current record.

>>16030874
cant believe i unironically fell for the february meme

>>16030860
fuck off vegancuck. why just veggies and not normal astronaut food? on the ISS you can get anything you want these days. tortillas, all kinds of meats, homecooking. case and point:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zyT21NuoeY

>>16030867
I agree OP is a faggot

>>16030880
Well why dont you shut your fucking mouth and get used to it because long term colony food will be veggies only or bugs until we can get a good quail farm going. Now sit down and get your fork

>>16030881
>>16030884
moar please

Will we have any rovers on Mars that look like this?

>>16030865
It's in a fixed Earth-sun frame of reference. Red is the actual orbital path but yellow is how it moves relative to Earth.

>>16030890
what with the fire behind the center engines

>>16030891
Very strange, if thats a stable orbit then how can we set up a base on one of these

>>16030885
the dude was talking about the trip out to mars. obviously a long term mars base would grow some of their food but on the journey out there is no reason to be so limited.

>>16030895
what rocket is this? i cant tell but it also kind of lokos like a simulation

>>16030900
Thats fair, still you should get used to it anyways. If youre so used to meat once you get there its gonna be a serious struggle afterwards

should i watch the A-I launch? i never bothered with it

>>16030905
I could go without meat for a 2 year mission. which is all the first few decades of missions will be anyway.

>>16030908
No fuck SLS and fuck hydrologgs, Starship launches faster anyways

eat the bugs, drink the onions, live in the pod, go to mars.

Thank you launchwebm anon for the dump, keep it coming these are very cool. Wheres news anon when you need him?

>>16030910
how long legitimately until you think a real meat farm is set up, not bug farm because fuck that

>>16030921
or at the very least a prototype of one

>>16030899
...with rockets?

>>16030829
2 more weeks

>>16030926
but how small are these things, are we talking the starship has more mass or could we actually bury a base in one of these to consistently land rockets on them without knocking it out of orbit

>>16030929
pretty colors

be right back im gonna make ramen. also think about this, any and all water you drink on mars will be recycled piss, and any veggies you eat will have your own shit particles on it.

>>16030921
the animals would need minders and its always going to be inefficient to grow meat compared to plant protein because of the trophic levels. So not until any base/colony has enough food that they are food secure and the energy losses don't matter.

>>16030937
I only eat organic unfiltered

>>16030937
>any and all water you drink on mars will be recycled piss
is someone gonna tell him where earth water comes from?

>>16030943
Gross

>>16030947
Yes I know but the recycling is far more direct from ass to mouth with Mars.

>>16030951
Thats right I forgot about Stoke. What are they up to?

>>16030932
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_trojan

>>16030932
Looks like that one is 5km across, so you'd be able to put a base there but you'd run out of volatiles in a hurry without resupply from other NEAs.

>>16030937
Piss fetishes will be adaptive in the Martian colony due to this (non-fetishists will die of thirst) and will be normalised within ten generations.

>>16030959
You need to be thrown out in to space. The day of the airlock cant come soon enough bros

Roggets : D

>>16030921
aquaponics are more practical than bugs - things like tilapia and shrimps would be most common local meat
only an idiot would bring pests like crickets

as for meat meat, I think the first would be rabbits and chicken
rabbits need almost no room, don't smell too bad, don't make noise, and you probably would bring them as test subjects for biological testing anyway
chickens are omnivores so you can feed them guts and stuff you don't want, they also lay eggs and grew up insanely fast

>>16030967
Chicken not quail? I feel like quail hold the same advantage but take up less space to raise.

>>16030952
https://twitter.com/stoke_space/status/1752691406970266011
>Got the Oxy pre-burner and turbopump operating together in closed loop. Half-Full-Flow?
>The powerhead includes the ox pre-burner, turbopump, and associated control valves and pumps low-pressure liquid oxygen propellant to 5000+ PSI to feed our S1 Methalox Full-flow staged combustion engine. This little guy both produces and consumes 7,000 hp to get this done.

First stage engines seem to be coming along nicely

>>16030967
>seafood
id be fine with that honestly. Better than fucking insects

>>16030973
Thats good but they should do another hop I want to see more reusable roggets fast

Discuss spaceflight now

>>16030971
chickens are a lot less picky eaters (or so i've heard), but yeah quails are a good option also

Bozos has sold $4 billion in stock recently. It's pretty obvious he's buying ULA. What will he do with the ULA employees? Seems like there will be a bunch of redundant staff between BO and ULA

Even if SpaceX gets down to the $10/kg mark, how much of an upcharge would Terran foods have for Martians? Consider like an 8 oz steak, thats at minimum a $2.27 extra fee, ignoring however much SpaceX wants to upcharge transport fees to make a profit

>>16030921
>food scraps/organic waste gets fed to black soldier fly larvea
>larvea get fed to quail/fish
>quail/fish poop fertilizes the greenhouse
>marsians get veggies, eggs, the occasional special occasion protein special
Needs to be a sufficiently big system to be stable. Probably needs something like 100m2 plant growth area minimum to make any sense. So whenever you think it possible to build that much.
Guinea pigs should be easier, you raise one by having maybe 3m2 of gras in cultivation for it.

The main source of protein for the mars colony will be rat milk, the science is settled

>>16031001
i swear to jesus if you pull up an image of reggie

>>16031002
I have no idea who or what that is

a third of the way there people

>>16030990
He's not buying ULA retard

>>16030937
Or just tap the drinking water from the freshly mined and purified supply. Has been in mars soil for millions of years and not been pee in all of that time.

>>16031004
count yourself lucky that your mind hasnt been tainted

>>16031001
coukd be male human milk too. i think if we eat enough beans we could achieve mass male lactation and farm the milk

>>16031006
Yes he is

made 8 webms of this launch for some reason

>>16030967
Rabbits aren't kosher so they'll never be allowed

>>16031011
dont start this shit again.

>>16031018
blue origin will never do this

She's beautiful

>>16031020
why was it cgi all the way until landing? is spacex really this insecure it will blow up?

>>16031024
smozzle.

>>16031023
ywngts also nice jewish armband on the jap rocket fag

>>16031001
It will be repmed vitapaste.

>>16031025
!!

>>16031029
Do you only speak in /pol/ babble?

>>16031011
i see you're still around

>>16031037
decade old technology

>>16030836
the regular op should make a trip just for the op post. any other thread would be viewed with caution. that simple.

>>16031044
thats stupid and gay because namefags are stupid and gay. im just gonna be faster in taking op status like i did from december to january so faggots like op of this thread dont get it. i got it for a month straight, i can do it again, i even pushed the last thread to page 10 myself i just didnt expect this faggot to snipe it as soon as i pushed it to page 10.

>Mid february
>Not even WDR yet

Spx bros... No IFT-3 until april right?

>>16031047
what is this thing

>>16031048
we just had a WDR retard literally yesterday you didnt doompost correctly. just spam two more weeks and it makes /sfg/ seethe for speaking the truth

>>16030826
>>16030800
>>16030826
>>16030836
>>16031044
>>16031046

Need to rename this thread the Autism general.

>>16031046
trips arent names and its just to open the thread. like a first edition marker. no further identity hoarding needed.

>>16031056
you need to fuck off if you think that /sfg/ isnt normally autistic.

>>16031051
The Japanese moon rover

>>16031060
Shhh, hush now, it's ok. I'll get you some tendies and your blankie.

>>16031066
ew get this ugly bitch off my screen

>>16031055
literally got scrubbed you dumb fuck

>>16031068

You're not getting mommy milkies any more, your too old now.

>>16031069
SHUT UP FUCK FACE NO IT DIDNT I SAW THE FROST LINE

>>16031073
Maybe listen to the NSF commentators next time. Better yet, pick up a L2 subscription and read

>>16031077
>nsf shilling
lol as expected the faggot is an l2 paypig. why dont you oink for me and cough up $30

>>16031077
OINK OINK OINK OINK

>>16031079
>>16031084
Not an argument :)

>>16031083

The pucker factor watching that thing slip out without touching the walls, what's the clearance like? Who's the engineer that decided how fast the pull out could be or the maximum diameter of the nozzle. Balls of steel.

>>16031087
I can feel the seethe oozing from this message

>>16031096
That black checkerboard, it exists to make it easy to stabilize the film and line up each frame eliminating the camera shake. But you like the version with the camera shake better for whatever reason.

>>16031099
I just ripped this from the apollo 11 documentary man I don't know what to tell you

>>16031099
Camera shake better fag

>>16031099
weird comment

>>16031130
is it supposed to do that?

>>16031133
>After a rocket uses up its fuel, the tank generally just becomes dead weight, but a prototype rocket that burns its own fuselage as propellant could solve that problem. A team of engineers have built a prototype of one of these “autophage engines” for the first time, which could free up capacity for transporting more important science projects and supplies into space.

>>16031139
>an SRB rocket so unusable it eats itself
this would be so based 30 years ago

>>16031055
It was aborted you fat fuck

>>16031161
Kek I thought the supreme court banned abortions.

IUD vs RUD

>>16031056
>this guy saved my horse gif I posted the other day
comfy/wholesome

see what i mean when i said janny is asleep at the wheel

>>16031072
IMMA FAAARING MAH LAZOR
BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHH

https://twitter.com/Rogozin

I just realized Rogozin started posting again. He started posting at the end of Jan after 2 years of silence.

>>>/wsg/5453532
>>>/wsg/5453533
>>>/wsg/5453537

>>16031196
He is a brave man, strong

>>16031211
Sounds like a girl to me :3 cute

>>16031216
You are the blackest african monkey known to /sfg/

>>16031183
Looks like some old filing cabinet off to the left.

The total scale here is tripping my brain out.

>>16031211
why do they act like children? that shits creepy.

>>16030889
Fuck no, could you imagine how much dust would get trapped under those wheel covers, one small pebble and the entire thing jams

>>16031199
kawaii moe

New info about IFT-3 :
>What happened to the WDR ?
"Have issues to fix on vehicle/ground"
>Wen launch ?
"Still have a bunch of things to do, even if we had the FAA license, we would still not be ready to launch for sometime."

Now , my prediction : 3-4 weeks (11th-16th March week)

>>16031329
April confirmed, doomers won

>>16031338
420 launch?

>>16031329
Said where, by who?

Alright everyone, time to get back on the posting train. We gotta hit 300 for bump limit quick

>>16031329
More like two more weeks

>>16031339
Shut up fag the joke is stale

>>16031349
Said nowhere by nobody. Hes a liar

>>16031356
Very strange launch angle. Do you have any shots of the flame trench?

>>16031250
Can we have these on Mars please?

>>16031071
>>16031066
Why do so many weirdos project their fantasies on to others?

>>16031063
Looks kinda stupid ngl.

>>16031161
The only abortion here is you

>NOOOOO FELON HUSK CANT SUPPORT LE REPOOBLICANS BECAUSE.... HE JUST CANT OKAY?! STOP BEING A TRANSPHOBIC CHUD AND SHUT UP

Did else anyone see that post just now?

>>16031043
Ewwwww shuttle

>>16031289
Ok but what about some sort of very open see through vehicle like that one

>>16031211
Stop fucking bringing offboarders over to us faggot

wow...
https://x.com/CharlieCamarda/status/1717989310228521387?s=20

>>16031373
Did they really just tape off the entirecthing to paint it? I expected something a bit better desu

>>16031372
Yes we all know NASA is filled with arrogant assholes, its a bureaucratic government led agency what do you expect

>>16031374
>Workers with NASA’s Exploration Ground Systems (EGS) paint the bright red NASA “worm” logo on the side of an Artemis II solid rocket booster segment inside the Rotation, Processing and Surge Facility (RPSF) at Kennedy Space Center in Florida on Tuesday, Jan. 30, 2024. The EGS team used a laser projector to mask off the logo with tape, then painted the first coat of the iconic design. The booster segments will help propel the Space Launch System (SLS) rocket on the Artemis II mission to send four astronauts around the Moon as part of the agency’s effort to establish a long-term science and exploration presence at the Moon, and eventually Mars.

>>16031372
It's nice seeing those boomers dropping real spaceflight redpills.

>>16031378
What would spaceguy5 be dropping then

>>16031372
? it's just a gay capsule lol

>>16031381
lies

If NASA hiring policies were an image...

Frogfarming will be a viable food source on Mars

Come on /sfg/ we've only got 79 messages until bump limit, dump your /sfg/ meme folder or maybe dump your launch webm folder like the other anon did or post news lets get active here so we can put this thread behind us

Bezos

vs. Musk

You smell that? That smells like the future

>>16031361
It's the only part of SLIM that performed as expected.

>>16031416
Better quality

https://images.nasa.gov/details/KSC-20240215-MH-AJN01-0001-SpaceX_CLPS_IM1_Isolated_Launch_Landing_Views-M4208
>A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket carrying Intuitive Machines’ Nova-C lunar lander lifts off from Launch Pad 39A at NASA’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida at 1:05 a.m. EST on Thursday, Feb. 15, 2024. As part of NASA’s CLPS (Commercial Lunar Payload Services) initiative and Artemis campaign, Intuitive Machines’ first lunar mission will carry NASA science and commercial payloads to the Moon to study plume-surface interactions, space weather/lunar surface interactions, radio astronomy, precision landing technologies, and a communication and navigation node for future autonomous navigation technologies.

>>16031418
>>16031416
>Smells like the future
>SLS
>ULA
>Dreamchaser

Lol lmao even. Also what's the orb.

>>16031427
>what’s the orb

Space Perspectives space tourism capsule

>>16031360
I have it on good authority that calming down the autists was "comfy/wholesome"

>>16031429
Super high altitude balloon flights? That's pretty sick.

>>16031427
Vulcan, SLS, and Dreamchaser are all The Future of Spaceflight as it was imagined back in 2001. Right now we're living through the last dregs of 1990s spaceflight. Ariane 5 is newly retired, Delta IV has it's last launch in a month, Atlas V is getting replaced by a widebody design, and NASA is launching a shuttle-derived heavy lifter from Cape Canaveral.

>>16031434
2001 was 22 years ago

>>16031093
Mueller probably. And we all know how he feels about pulling out of tight spaces.

>>16031440
Remember the Alamo!

>>16031455
Yes.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1759048947866169771

>>16031464
Why shouldnt I redirect apophis to land directly on FAA headquarters, killing countless government bureaucrats, killing every last one? and their children

>>16031472
What's stopping, say China, from launching a probe and redirecting an asteroid to strike an enemy nation? By the time people realised they would have to scramble to create their own probe to counter the effects, and by the time they launch it would be too late.

>>16031476
the window between this being possible and the assembly of some international asteroid defense system is probably a great filter

>>16031434
>expendable rockets
>future of spaceflight

>>16031478
it's a fermi paeradox

>>16031476
The largest rocket China has can only fling about 9,000 kg to C3=0 which isn't a great trajectory for reaching even the nearest Earth-crossing asteroids, and even when it gets there you're going to have almost no delta-v to adjust a hundred ton rock onto an Earth-intercept trajectory. Even if China could do that it'd be impossible to launch the mission in secret. All of the NEOs that you might be able to convert into missiles have well defined orbits and are under close obersvation that's only going to get more diligent if China launches a probe to one of them. Everyone would see this coming and would have years if not decades to formulate a response, which could be as simple as mounting W88 warheads on cheap satellite busses like Rocket Lab's interplanetary Photon and then having the standing Falcon 9 fleet volley launch them towards the asteroid.

There's nothing stopping China except for the fact that it's currently impossible as well as completely fucking retarded.

>>16031476
I have dreamed of picking a nice dark one ideally from an orbit perpendicular the the solar ecliptic and steer it right into Israel. Why you may ask, well they know what they did. I would be the interment of the wrath of god. Next up would probably be NYC followed but Brussels.

>>16031476
>>16031495
It’s much cheaper cost and delta v wise, and much quicker to send up a solar collector into orbit and just glass whatever you were targeting

>>16031377
you'd think that for 2 billion dollars a pop they'd have something better than masking tape and 2 dudes with paint rollers.
vulcan had a giant clean room rotisserie. that feels more fitting for a hundred million dollar machine

50 more posts COME ON /SFG/ SOMEONE DUMP THEIR SPACE MEME FOLDER OR SOMETHING NOW

Newfag here, wouldn't it make more sense to have a large command module and a small lander instead of having a big ass lander with a small command module

>>16031505
Yeah, but it lacks a certain something you get from portraying it as an act of cosmic justice.

>>16031512
no fuck you

have you watched frieren yet

>>16031512
starship is big because it helps it get off of earth
being big doesn't really do anything once it's in space

>>16031512
I have in the past advocated for minimalist, unpressurized platform landers. You would stand or sit on them in an EVA suit for lunar decent and assent.

It was rejected out of hand due to fears of reduce resiliency during emergency scenarios. Regenerating scrubbers of today can be used for weeks on end with a little solar power, Oxygen consumption is only about 1 lb/day. Water for the sublimator is really the only limiting factor and a simple parasol could make it last weeks. I did the math but no one was interested in the idea.

>>16031518
Takes a lot of delta v and a lot of fuel to get to LLO and land on the moon, even more if you want to take off from the moon in the same ship.

Starship has big tanks, these are an asset if you can fill them in orbit.

Starship only comes in starship size. Maybe you could shrink or stretch the lunar one a ittle if desired but that's about it.

>>16031184
The game

>>16031505
You can get plausible deniability that your 'scientific research probe' got stuck in the wrong trajectory, rather than outright launching a weapon into space.

>>16031512
Orion, that tiny baby bitch POS is not actually needed. HLS refuels in LEO, you could just launch the astronauts on it, refuel, go to the Moon, and return.

>>16031507
SRBs are very heavy.

>>16031512
Starship is basically capable of doing the entire mission alone if you put a heatshield on the lander. Orion exists for political reasons.

>>16031416
>>16031418
>rest of the world are you even trying.jpg

somebody should call it "space-flight" general again that was fucking hilarious

>cnn reports from anonymous sources that the russian space weapon is a nuclear EMP
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/16/politics/russia-nuclear-space-weapon-intelligence/index.html

literally the worst possible option between EMP, satellite jammer, and just straight up launching nukes into orbit

>>16031568
it would probably be a bit painful with the dry mass and dragging the heat shield and flaps with you. i wonder how much mass you could bring/return if you were only allowed to fully refuel once

>>16031565
paint them empty

>>16030854
it's "ugh" but he's a nazi or something desu

I don't like the high five.

>>16031576
I have yet to hear a journalist sound like anything other than a completely uninformed retard when they try to talk about this.

>>16031588
they are like that about most subjects, actually informed and competent journalists are a rarity

>>16031592
cuz they're expensive and the news doesnt make much money. im sure ars pays alot for berger.

>>16030950
Chemically irrelevant

>>16031585
Fuck off namefag. But me neither

>>16031597
Well it is mentally relevant. If youre not prepared to essentially eat your own shit and piss then dont even dream of going to Mars

Whoever has the first stable meat farm on Mars is probably going to be the Rockefellers of Mars. I also wonder if with lower gravity animals will get fatter faster since they dont have to use nearly as much energy to even stand

>>16031607
Same goes for whoever gets a stranglehold on the poles for ice, water will probably be worth its weight in gold on Mars with how dense it is driving up costs from Terran imports.

>>16031582
Paint is bloat. Delete it. Best part is no part

>>16031611
Trvth, but I wonder what Starships will look like after many reuses. Right now after just 20 F9s are looking pretty dang rough just coated in soot.

Actually now that I think about it paper would basically be non existant on Mars right? All documentation would be digital and having to import paper since you cant feasibly grow anything to make paper on Mars would just mean there is no need or reason to bring it in right? Other than minor things like coffee filters but even then couldnt they be made of something more permanent?

>>16031602
Well yeah, the mentally weak won't be going. That's good.

>>16031615
>coffee filters
its instant for colonists. there might be alot of cardboard boxes leftover which could end up being recycled into paper?

Ive heard of hydroponics, but what about aeroponics? Also how would hydroponic agriculture work would it be like you put fish in the tank that the plants get their water from and the fish shit fertilizes the plants or something? I need a diagram.

>>16031618
>Cardboard is made from paper fibers. It can be broken down and made into new paper products, including cereal, pizza and shipping boxes as well as toilet paper.
https://www.afandpa.org/news/2023/cardboard-recyclable

ah i guess so

>>16031618
Why bother with cardboard though wouldnt everything just be shipped in metal containers due to how violent landing would be? Those are also reusable but I guess theyre also high weight... maybe plastic containers? Idk maybe it really is just cheaper to send cardboard every time

>>16030878
>safest in history according to NASA
Good joke. But it didn't even beat Energia at that yet.

Wait now that I think about it what would colonists use as toilet paper??? Theres no way its going to be viable to ship in regular paper.

>>16031626
Bidet, like the rest of the civilised world

>>16031626
high fiber diet and a bidet

>>16031627
>>16031628
And what if thats deemed a waste of crucial water?

>>16031629
damp sponge on stick with a cup of water

/sfg/ can make mistakes. Consider checking important information.

Kek now that I think about it once Mars colony is established allot of Martians will be working remotely for Terran companies to earn money, I wonder how the 20 minute delay would affect work communication. Maybe some companies just have a Mars branch to increase work flow and the monthly reports are the only thing that have a real delay.

>>16031629
Conservation of matter indicates you do not destroy water when you use it.

>>16031635
Would SpaceX create a Starlink network on Mars as well also for internet?

>>16031629
What do they do in Dune?

>>16031629
you literally cannot waste water I don't understand why everybody fell for the most retarded environmentalist meme possible

>>16031639
nah we'll get a geo sat or queqiao

>>16031619
Heres a diagram of aquaponics.

>>16031607
there are going to be a bunch of industries like that first for basic building materials and the later more and more complex manufacturing
there just needs to be a buyer, not really sure what kind of population size and self reliancy level there needs to be before it starts to roll by itself like the market on earth
will probably happen way before full self sufficiency though
shipping a bunch of microchips in is going to be cheaper for so long self-sufficiency might become more of an ideological/political thing instead of actually something necessary
a bit like energy indepence of a country on earth

>>16031641
fresh water is a limited resource. after that its sea water which is a huge hassle to deal with.

BUMP LIMIT HAS BEEN REACHED. And now we wait to escape this awful thread.

>>16031646
We stage at page 10.

>>16031644
If you think about it food and water independence is technically energy independence

>>16031646
hi newfriend

Reminder that Booster 7 was a figurative dumpster fire and literal engine bay fire.

>>16031647
>>16031650
Yes I know thats why I said now we wait to escape. We wait for page 10.

>>16031651
What does that make the pad then?

>>16031576
He has said this multiple times.
>Russian President Vladimir Putin says that whoever reaches a breakthrough in developing artificial intelligence will come to dominate the world.
Given the apparent position of Russia in this AI race, my tinfoil theory is he wants to be able to throw a reset switch with nuclear weapons rather than face a future of subjugation.

>>16031639
yes

>>16031582
That would have to be done in Utah.

>>16030921
fish and crabs first, then chickens, probably
I give it less than a decade before chickens, I don't know how long it'll take to get to cows and pigs

>>16031702
Chickens require either artificial eggs and preserved DNA or a method of inducing suspended animation in fertilized eggs.

>>16031709
Just fucking import a couple of chickens no need for retarded suspended animation, knock out the chickens while going up, wake them up in transit and knock them out on the way down again so they dont die of a heart attack and boom there you go chickens on Mars ready to breed

>>16031714
It's not that easy in poultry

Its not that east in Marsery

>>16030950
you'll be processing so much fucking water to make propellant that you could toss all your wastewater into the electrolyzer and drink nothing but fossil water

>>16031740
>fossil water
Explain

>>16031742
Low IQ alert

>>16031742
Kabuto and Omastar

>>16031058
that sounds gay as fuck

>>16031576
>cnn

I just don't see how you're going to get enough water to fuel the tens of thousands of Starship loads to enable colonisation. You're telling me there's enough water in this shithole? Even underground?

>>16031743
Closetted homosexual alert

>>16031753
You're so stupid it's unreal. Try doing even the most cursory research before opening your meat flaps.

>>16031742
mined water from mars

>>16031517
bro that shit is slop
it's not good
>>16031622
the paper fibers get shorter each time you recycle it, which makes worse paper each time
>>16031709
just spin them

>>16031742
are you the fucking collagefag? him and the von Braun tranny were the only anons stupid enough to not understand what "fossil water" means
>>16031753
yeah

>>16031753
the caps have kilometer deep ice caps, many areas of mars have permafrost with about 20% water content up to 1m deep and just recently there was some paper or something that said there might be hundred meter deep glaciers under the regolith

https://www.sciencealert.com/a-massive-amount-of-water-ice-has-been-found-on-mars-lurking-beneath-the-equator

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_on_Mars

>>16031767
There are no fossils on mars retard just say sequestered water or pockets of water or ANYTHING but the RETARDED MIDWIT SUBHUMAN SMOOTHBRAIN term of 'fossil water' which implies fossils as in living creature which there have never been any on Mars. Its not that fucking hard to use an antonym for Mars when trying to name water thats underground.

>>16031776
Hard not to*

>>16031776
Fuck off retard

>>16031776
be less retarded and autistic please

>>16031784
>>16031780
Samefag also where do you think you are

>>16031786
Fuck off retard

>>16031776
my neologism is based, fuck off

>>16031790
No its not its retarded and antithetical to Mars stop making up faggy stupid words and use ones that make sense and sound sensible if not innately understandable

>>16031802
it's not my fault your autism prevents you from understanding, everybody else got it

>>16031802
>its retarded and antithetical to Mars
Kek what does that even mean?
>use ones that make sense and sound sensible if not innately understandable
Literal skill issue, not our fault you couldn't make it onto a STEM course

>>16031827
>skill issue
GO BACK TO TEDDIT YOU FAT NIGGER IM SICK AND TIRED OF YOU COCK SUCKERS RUINING THIS GENERAL
>stem course
ME major 3.7 GPA TRY AGAIN

it feels like the number of launches has slowed even though they've increased

>>16031830
oh of course a fucking undergrad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPvJleDfsGI
> Crucial Starship Pre-Launch Test Aborted Twice | SpaceX Boca Chica

>>16031830
>ME
It's over

>>16031856
haha yeah everybody's ME but what the industry needs is electrical engineers and embedded systems programmers (these are the same thing actually)

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/02/spacex-wants-to-take-over-a-florida-launch-pad-from-rival-ula/
> The environmental review for SpaceX's proposal to take over Space Launch Complex 37 (SLC-37) at Cape Canaveral is getting underway now, with three in-person public meetings and one virtual meeting scheduled for March to collect comments from local residents, according to a new website describing the plan.

https://spaceforcestarshipeis.com/

>>16031870
the website (I think this was posted a few days ago but whatever)

>>16031871
> This aerial view shows a United Launch Alliance Delta IV Heavy rocket awaiting liftoff from Space Launch Complex 37 at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station, Florida.

>>16031876
> In the near-term, SpaceX plans to build a second Starship launch tower at the company's Starbase test site in Cameron County, Texas. There's also the partially-built launch tower at LC-39A, and now SpaceX has set its sights on SLC-37.

so you could have 2 pads in Starbase and actually 3 pads in Cape Canaveral
they could finish LC-39A, take over SLC-37 after ULA fucks off and then even build a completely new on called SLC-50 north of SLC-37
even if they have 5 pads then I doubt its enough for SpaceX mars plans, but would be nice though

>>16031714
>knock out the chickens while going up, wake them up in transit and knock them out on the way down again so they dont die of a heart attack
I'm not even sure it's that complicated, has someone done chicken centrifuge experiments?
But if it is, anesthesia is only one option; another answer is bringing fresh eggs up, incubating them on an LEO space station. Then you send live chickens to mature in transit to mars, and collect eggs before arrival. Butcher the chickens before landing, and incubate the eggs after.

>>16031866
Fuck electrical major, I'll learn it and get certified if I have to anyways. I have concentration aerospace so I'm planning to do avionics of whatever comes up, dont you worry about me. Also learning welding and CNC machinist sounds like something I could do later on. Just because it doesnt explicitly say mechanical engineer doesnt mean a mechanical cant do the job, its a very broad discipline and I'll shore up my knowledge wherever necessary.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/02/rocket-report-falcon-9-flies-for-300th-time-ariane-6-ships-to-kourou/

Small Rockets
>Russia launches a classified satellite.
>European startup testing methane-fueled rocket engine

Medium Rockets
>SpaceX launches commercial Moon mission.
>Missile defense satellites deployed by Falcon 9
>300 and counting for Falcon 9.
>First flight-ready Ariane 6 on the way to Kourou.

Heavy Rockets
>Starship fully stacked for third flight.
>New Glenn makes an appearance.
>ULA still riding high from “perfect” debut of Vulcan.

>>16031883
yeah that is a pretty easy solution
might have to make some mini rotating cylinders for the chickens if they don't tolerate 0g though

>>16030812
My grandma bought this for me for my birthday. Thanks granny

>>16031455

>>16030937
Both air and water will be routinely obtained fresh. From the atmosphere and from mines. You need to get the ISS mentality out of your head. A Mars base isn't in a vacuum, in on the ground on a pretty decent planet.

>>16031883
>Butcher the chickens before landing, and incubate the eggs after.

>>16031776
gb2 >>>/sci/tzo and >>>/x/

>>16031856
put another SRB on the barbie m8

Rocketlab launch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcuZMP1m_g8

>>16032033
>starship would make a good warsh-

https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/7487
new japanese smallsat launcher?

>>16032031
t-1min 30s

>>16032051
some more info

>>16031043
>>16031045
these are amazing with sound. World's most extreme wind instrument!

>>16031575
"space-fight" general would be appropriate these days

Responding to your own posts after waking up and seeing no one replied...

>>16031852
It's over

>>16031651
Better result than 4 N-1 launches

>>16032050
It's a Japanese Minotaur clone. I'm not sure what the market is for an all-solid LV in 2024. It could do the Epsilon's job but cheaper, but I'm not sure what IHI's angle is supposed to be since they're a major contractor for Kairos and the Epsilon is their product.

>>16032075
I used to go through the thread and reply to posts all the way down after I got back from work when I still had a job, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt

>>16032035
Quick, nobody ram Starship with a Trireme

>>16032164
I can't believe Nobody rammed Starship

>>16032175
same fucker who poked out my eye

>>16031512
yes, but it's going to be fully that NASA created the earth-moon shuttle bus to get people to the real skyscraper of a lander

astronauts are going to die from a solar flare

>>16032212
it is what it is

test

>>16031575
space flight-general

we're going to build a solar shade, arent we? and why not? we gotta eventually learn to build giant space structures anyway.

>>16032272
hell yeah

>>16032277
yeah but it will secretly also be a doomsday device

>out of my way, solar little shit!!!

solar shades will protect moon bases from deadly solar flares

Just build on the dark side of the moon. It's in perpetual darkness.

most spacecraft aren't boundary pushing, is there any reason for them to mass autism?
like if you're building a satellite that's already going up on falcon. why make it out of milled aluminum and be 10 tons when you could make it out of sheet steel and be 16 tons and still come in well under weight limit
or peregrine 1. that wasn't even coming close to vulcan lunar transfer weight limit. why not reënforce all the fuel tanks and make them twice as big as you think you need for landing

>>16030859
eggs and rice

>>16032302
Just build underground.

>>16030859
Nothing, you'll be in coldsleep until capture burn.

>>16032313
>land on the sun at night.

What really is your point, in making such a post?

>>16032315
industry inertia
mass becoming less relevant is a pretty new thing in the context of Falcon 9

>>16032333
*quantized

why nobody grows hydroponic rice in iss?

>>16032315
Most payload operators aren't building their own satellites. Boeing might have shit in most of the aerospace beds it owns recently, but their satellite division hasn't been doing nearly as poorly as the rest. Until new players move in to evict oldspace payloads are going to continue to be slow to respond to industry trends and highly mass-autistic.

>>16032337
So the starving chinese taikonauts dont plan a pantry raid on the ISS.

>>16032344
chinks are growing rice in their station, why iss is not producing food? rice will be the main source of calories, there is no other way. quail will eat the rice and give us eggs for protein, but its all about the rice

and it's destacking again
restack tomorrow? lmao

destack
https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1759285428555850185

>>16032357
The ISS has in fact done a bunch of crop growing experiments including starches and greens. The real scaling factor for Mars will be bioreactors to produce potato-growing soil. Once you have potatoes, greens, spices, and fish, you can survive indefinitely as long as you're not constrained on phosphorus or trace elements.

>>16032365
>rocket goes up
>rocket comes down
>rocket goes up
>rocket comes down
>rocket goes up
>rocket comes down

>>16032365
>>16032371
nobody expects it to launch anytime soon right? any stack now is just going to be a test before the final stack before it launches which wont be for weeks.

>>16032371
their just doing weight training for the mechazilla arm. it needs to gain for the chopstick catch maneuver

>>16032374
we're in the perpetual 2 weeks now. every stack is just going to be a test and a destack until the one that isn't

>>16032368
why fish instead of quail? isnt water scarce and heavy? by fish do you mean catfish and tilapia or what? go try asking about rasing catfish in /an/ aquarium thread, they will tell you a single 40cm 400g catfish needs 1000 liter container
compare it to 300g 6 week old quail producing 12g egg everyday
anyways fuck protein, you need calories the most, so you produce rice, which is super calorie dense per m2
my rice seeds are sprouting already in 3 months i should have a harvest in my dwc setup

>>16032365
We already confirmed April so they can restack as many times as they want until then. This is F9 1.0 all over again btw, it will be a decade before Starship cadence matches F9

>>16032378
isn't rice one of the most water consuming crops? those rice paddies are practically submerged. doesn't seem very efficient although water is recycled.

>>16032377
3 weeks

>>16032386
Rice paddies are wet because rice tolerates or even likes the water but weeds don't. It also evens out irregular rainfall. All the water's not actually necessary to produce the rice; it just turns out to be more efficient in practice.

>>16032386
i will top off aerated deep water culture, rice provides oxygen too

>>16032384
kys dan

>>16032378
Water is absolutely not scarce on Mars. The ISRU plan involves melting thousands of tons of ice just for rocket propellant.

>>16032395
fuck off paul

>>16032400
catfish will shit in the water and taste like it, meanwhile quail produces fertilizer