/sci/ - Science & Math

>>16021329
This should be the last /scg/ thread in a while until the job market starts getting better. No point in talking about STEM careers when there aren't any options for one.

>look up jobs for math majors
>there are no jobs for math majors without graduate school
should I get a masters instead? I feel like I fucked up my life studying math is as useless as gender studies.
I always wanted to be a handyman, but my mother said I had to go to college or else I would be a loser and that handymen are losers. Now she is acting like I need to be responsible for myself and my own actions, but I haven't made a single autonomous action my whole life.
Need help accessing my options.

>>16021331
I've been through about 3 once-in-a-lifetime recessions at this point and it's not like the options go to zero.

>>16021331
>>16021412
Don't worry drafts will fix that

>>16021408
not even government jobs? i thought the government had plenty of useless math jobs.

>>16021419
statistics indicates those jobs are only for people who hold graduate degrees

>>16021412
The options are only open for people already well-established like Ivy League schools or have rich/famous families or are simply attractive.

>>16021408
Have you looked into government fellowships?

>>16021408
There is nothing with going to trade school and ignoring all her seething. I wanted to go to trade school but my parents threatened to kick me out and fend for myself in the streets of a major city, but I hope you have better luck. I'd go for more rarer/niche trade disciplines because every other young male is going to be an electrician, plumber, or something. I looked into drafting/technical drawing before I was forced into college.

>>16021454
No, what's that?
Is it as bad as becoming a military slave?
>>16021479
Yes, she threatens to kick me out. I wanted to do plumbing or appliance repair.
I'm already in the last year of my degree though so I am going to finish it, but I really don't want to go to graduate school.

>>16021512
You don't need a degree to repair appliances. Just ask friends if they got anything that's broken or that doesn't work and follow along with YouTube tutorials on how to fix shit. You can get certified to fix equipment from specific companies by taking intensive training sessions and then writing exams on them. Repairing equipment isn't really a guarded trade that requires some kind of license, unlike being a surgeon or a lawyer. Even a high school drop out can do it and get paid for it.
Nobody's gonna stop you from being a PhD-holding algebraic topologist who fixes dishwashers and TVs as a side hustle.

>>16021329
>What did the physics phd with a job say to the physics phd without a job?
would you like fries with that?

>>16021512
Government fellowships pay for your tuition and provide you with a salary (w. benefits) but you have to work with them for the summer plus a set amount of years. I don't think there are fellowship programs for math majors specifically though.
>she threatens to kick me out
Damn, it's over. You might as well go for trade school because graduate schools tend to receive a crap ton more applicants during economic downturns like the one we are in as people try to take a break from the harsh labor market. So far, most of my grad school applications have been rejected. Go for appliance repair since plumbing can get supersaturated with people.

>>16021536
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE SAID "NO I'M HERE TO APPLY"
LMAO!!!!

>>16021563
wow I didn't know that
maybe I should become an economist since I can't find a job
What does "downturn" mean exactly, it seems to imply a negative concavity in some space?

>>16021615
Officially, we are not in a recession, but it's not like our economy is in good shape either. Therefore, I use the term "economic downturn" to describe the economic situation our country is in. It has nothing to do with whatever math concept you are trying to link.

>>16021429
Just apply anyway. Even if they ask for graduate degrees on paper its worth trying to get yourself in there.

>>16021414
>force every able-bodied male into the military and claim economic recovery
So what Nazi Germany did in the early 1920s?

>>16021331
Think about how hard you are struggling to get even 1 interview, and then realize 300,000 H1B visa holders landed at LAX in the time it took you to fill out the application.

>>16021331
The American job market is the one that got fucked the most.
Europoor conditions are still tolerable, good even if you are competitive in your field.

>>16021408
Nobody is going to hire a pure math undergrad to write induction proofs or explain to a CEO the difference between Banach and Hilbert spaces.
Math undergrads are functionally (in terms of entry level hiring) either more mathematical CS undergrads (provided that they know their code) or more mathematical finance majors (insurance, etc.). However the caveat here is that when companies are hiring fewer people, the people they do hire are more specialized, i.e. the "mathematical generalist" math majors are not preferred. Hence, as you've noticed, graduate degrees become the the only viable path.

So TLDR; yes, you should get a graduate degree. But still apply to jobs in case you get lucky and also to practice sending apps.

Or as another anon mentioned in a previous thread go full DoD. (FAQ author, stop being a faggot and add it to the FAQ, very rarely have such quality posts graced this shithole)

>>16021408
What was your specialization?

>>16021879
The Europeans were actually smart about taking in foreign skilled labor, as in they got them from verified sources from verified European countries with accredited or well-established universities or companies. Unlike in America where the H1B lobby bribed enough of Congress to let it in randos from Asia with shady credentials.

>>16021879
Was it in the last one or the last two? I wanted to screenshot it but 404'd.

>>16022007
>randos from Asia with shady credentials
You mean pajeets. We have some of them in europe as well but they usually went to university here but even then they still have a hard time getting hired.
It's not completely ogre for the burgers though, h1bs are never getting security clearances for anything.

>>16022023
Three threads ago, check warosu >>15974983

>>16021879
>(FAQ author, stop being a faggot and add it to the FAQ, very rarely have such quality posts graced this shithole)
Just give me the details, and it will be added. I must have missed the earlier postings about DOD careers.

t.FAQ editor

Boy, I sure hope I get accepted to a PhD program soon and that getting a PhD is the right move

>>16021408
be an actuary

Some sobering news:
>Tech companies axe 34,000 jobs since start of year in pivot to AI
https://archive.is/YXwKp
Let's hope they are done swinging the axe.

>>16022263
Do people not learn from history? Tech trends tend to fizzle out after a few years. Remember when it was about VR?

What is a master's in theoretical CS like? What applications are in this field besides writing compilers?

>>16022873
Applications include getting picked over by an Indian H1B.

>>16021329
Do NOT fall for the Automation Engineer diploma
I got it, I work as a devops engineer in a fintech
I don’t deal with cool optimization issues, I don’t mitigate perturbations, I don’t write regulators
I don’t even know where I can go and put my linear/nonlinear system knowledge in use

>>16021879
>Europoor conditions are still tolerable, good even if you are competitive in your field.
Kek, really?
Germany is regressing back to a 2nd world country. And if Germany is fucked then so is the EU.

>>16022048
>It's not completely ogre for the burgers though, h1bs are never getting security clearances for anything.
>it's not over for burgers you can still line up for the fed's government jobs program that is 33 trillion in debt and exponentially growing

>>16022873
>Do NOT fall for the Automation Engineer diploma
Remember your data structures and algorithms class? It's basically that but more in depth. A bit more academia focused rather than industry.

>>16023485
It's not regressing because of unemployment, it's because Merkel and co. kept importing le hecking negroes.
The german branch of our company is still hiring and the wages have kept up with inflation, so compared to burgerstan I'd say conditions are pretty ok.

>>16023488
>government jobs program that is 33 trillion in debt and exponentially growing
>exponentially growing
aka still hiring and paying you mutts a salary

How much of a scam is systems engineering? I applied for a variety of Ph.D programs, and I was interested in systems engineering at Cornell because of their labs, though I've worked primarily in an ECE systems lab. Is it a complete scam, or is there some use in a systems engineering phd?

Is it possible to do research in 2nd year of ECE engineering? Mainly signal processing or circuit analysis ?

I decided that I will no longer live under the tyranny of MBAs taking my ideas and spinning them into group projects that they lead and get the majority of the credit for
as my first step in achieving this I took the GMAT today, so I can become the slimy MBA who takes ideas

>>16023561
It's just very broad. Like fucking everything is a system, how the hell do people specialize in such a wide field? I would pair it with something to create a focus field, systems on its own is applicable but a very high level approach to engineering problems. You don't design things, you design plans. Great for management types, poor for focused autists.

What is threads opinion about electrical engineering ?

>>16024473
Pretty comfy government jobs if you go for the energy sector desu. Doesnt matter which country, its the same everywhere.

>>16023545
>It's not regressing because of unemployment, it's because Merkel and co. kept importing le hecking negroes.
>The german branch of our company is still hiring and the wages have kept up with inflation, so compared to burgerstan I'd say conditions are pretty ok.
The German economy is fucked, 27% of their GDP is manufacturing, which is getting hammered by energy prices that have tripled since the Ukraine war. Factories are closing down left and right, they are at risk of losing entire industries dude. Germany is probably one of the worst places you could be right now for STEM, they are imploding their own industrial base to appease retarded leftist psychopaths. If you want a job in STEM avoid Germany.

How much problem can I face after taking 2 years ago between school and college ?
Doing electrical engineering and had to take 2 years gap due to some personal issues

Will I not get accepted into phd programs due to this ?

Do you guys have any recommendations for getting fellowships like NDSEG? I will have 2 internships in FFRDC's under my belt by the end of the summer, 1 demo paper, and 1 conference paper. Is there anything i can do to increase my chances?

Hey guys, chemist here.
Don't become a chemist.
That's all.

How to survive circuits class

>>16025745
Find someone smarter than you and ask to collaborate on the homework assignments, and schedule an evening study hour. Do like an hour and a half of the work before you get there (you'll have done it wrong) but the smart kid will tell you you're wrong and what he got (it's probably right). Try your best while he does most of the work, and then ask NICELY AND WITH GENUINE INTENT where you went wrong.
You can also do all of this with one of the RAs during their office/tutor hours.

>>16025588
>chem
Can you expand on this?

>>16025745
What is it you don't get ?

Is engineering management a meme or real? I want to be a little technical but direct/guide other autists or general workers.

>>16025941
What country? I hear "Ind.øk.-" from NTNU, Norway, will get you well paying jobs.

>>16021329
>muh America's job market is fucked
Then why do Pajeets keep finding software engineering and product manager jobs? And that too at respectable companies, so you can't say they were hired for cheap.
If they can do it, so can you!

>>16021408
Provided that you don't want to go into academia, most math majors I know became actuaries or went into ML or quant finance

>>16026144
>Then why do Pajeets keep finding software engineering and product manager jobs?

got rejected from harvard engineering phd 4 days ago. someone please tell me that when you get rejected isn't related to how close you were to getting in. if i barely didn't get into harvard im gonna fucking kill myself

>>16021329
I'm about to finish my undergrad for a BS in technical communication with a focus in geology and currently work at the petroleum labs at my uni. I plan to take a couple courses of in nuclear science at my state university post graduation because my current tech school doesn't offer any nuclear science courses and I felt that having some background would help with getting work with a DOE contractor.

If I find that I don't like my work later, but still have an interest in nuclear science, could I get a masters in nuclear?

>>16026657
Rejections are a part of life. I already got rejected to two of my graduate programs and ghosted by one. I have an interview for my last program that I considered a safety on Friday, but it's not looking good for me anyways.
Someway somehow I'll think of something - you will too. What other programs did you apply for?
>someone please tell me that when you get rejected isn't related to how close you were to getting in
Grad admissions differ from uni to uni but for a competitive one like Harvard, it's more likely because someone had similar credentials to yours but had richer parents.

>>16025849
>supersaturated field
>employment is very location-dependent
>organic chemistry is infected with w*men
>physical chemistry is a dead-end
>inorganic chemistry is a gamble when it comes to certain specialties
>chemical engineering has you slaving away for massive corpos

>>16025131
They will not notice or care. Keep your grades up, get an internship related to EE by all means necessary (that means talking to people), and take whatever you learned solving your personal issues and apply to your studies (that way it wasn't a complete waste of time). I took me more than the average three years to finish college too.

US job market is not necessarily fucked, at least for engineers. My brother just got 110k job offer and he hasn't even graduated yet (he's doing last semester of computer engineering at UT Austin).

>>16027119
Maybe your brother can tell you about the value of one anecdote when comparing them to overall trends affecting millions of people.

>>16026016
Ironically I was looking into study in norway (family). What types of Master's programs scratch the itch of management while still having technical aspects?

>>16027215
Many of the technology studies at NTNU lead directly to a Master's degree, and Ind.Øk is one of them.
https://www.ntnu.edu/studies/mtiot

>>16027404
I don't speak beluga and I already have my bachelor's. I would need something in burgerspeak and in a two year program

how good is a CS degree nowadays? Should I go into physics instead?

>>16027067
>>16026657

I'm on like my 15th Ph.d rejection. I received two rejections just today and am not even counting anymore.
I am not sure how to move forwards. I only educated myself in autistic subjects: Physics, Math, CS and have too little work experience for direct employment.

I was hoping to use the Ph.d time to hone some useful skills and get some industry connections, and maybe even do an Ph.d internship.

Why is it taaking so long to hear back from the PhD programs I applied to?

>>16027921
>>16028194
The economy tanked, people returned to academia for more studies, so there will be rejections and long reply times, just like every time the job marked goes off a cliff.

I have a 3.4 gpa from college and some legit work experience in manufacturing. How hard is it to get into a Master's program at a mid tier uni?

I assaulted a guy at a bar who called me a faggot and I think I might face a felony assault charge

I just got my TEXAS EIT certification. From my understanding if you get a felony the state board suspends your shit and then has a review session to decide whether to revoke your shit.

Be honest lads: how fucked am I?

>>16028559
Ticking the "convicted felon" box is probably not going to do you any favors with job applications.

Should have just kept it verbal.

>>16028559
>dumb enough to go to a bar
>dumb enough to commit a crime
>dumb enough to be caught committing a crime
*sip* yep, you're a retard.

>>16028559

>>16028559
You’re good bro. You’ll have to submit court paperwork whenever you apply for a license but it’s not a show stopper. The state boards care about actual premeditated criminal shit like fraud or nefarious creeper shit like rape or being a chomo

t. Licensed in 8 states with an assault and DUI on my record

>>16027085
Great answer. I'm a chemist and I agree with all the points you made. I think it's good to have the negatives out there for people considering this field so they know what they're stepping into. What are you doing currently? Are you still employed in chemistry?

>>16027859
Phys degree are for hippies. CS actually contributes to society

>>16027859
>how good is a CS degree nowadays?
It is a certain ticked to an oversaturated market that sees a lot of outsourcing.
>Should I go into physics instead?
According to the /scg/ FAQ it is a good but complicated career.

>>16031005
>Phys degree are for hippies.
What?
>CS actually contributes to society
Enjoy your outsourcing.

What do I do if I've woken up and realized all this shit is bullshit and that I need to be collecting seeds and animals?
That we live in a retarded joke and that I just want to study in peace? I want free from the bullshit.
I don't care about this rat race bullshit. I don't want gold, I want the fortunes of peace and autonomy.

Physics is pretty trash. Well, a bachelors in physics is at least.

>>16031117
>Physics is good
>>16031210
>Physics is pretty trash
Who am I supposed to believe?

anyone here working in power systems as an EE? how is it? the classes i took on it at uni were a little boring (three phase,etc), so i am wondering what's it like in the field?

>say something slightly incorrect but clearly obvious what I meant to advisor
>for example, "gotta drive on interstate 83 to ..."
>its not the interstate though, its a highway 83
>advisor says "i think your wrong, thats impossible"
>say wdym, I drive it all the time
>he makes me open up google maps in a meeting
>"SEE, its HIGHWAY 83, not INTERSTATE 83. you said it wrong. You said interstate. I told you it was impossible. you made a mistake
>we then move on with the meeting
This shit happens all the time, and if its not me its someone else in the group getting shit on. im so close to graduating and being done with this autist. I can see the end

>>16024473
Just graduated and got an entry level job doing some very cool R&D work starting at 80k in a very low cost of living area. No internships or any experience. I also only bothered to apply to like 4 places. CS is a meme, EE is not. Just get above a 3.0 GPA and you'll be fine. They're even paying for my masters lmao.

>>16031439
based, what field are you working in?

>>16031439
junior with 2.5 gpa in EE how fucked am I bros

>>16031442
Component design (capacitors, inductors, transformers, transistors, etc...) for aerospace and defense. If you are born in America and have a clean record, it's kind of a cheat code to easily get a job since US law prohibits foreigners and criminals from the field. 100% white co-workers, legally.

>>16031446
If you salvage this semester and get all A's in the next, you should be able to get a 3.0. Otherwise, just don't list your GPA on your resume. Do internships to compensate, but because of your GPA, that may be hard. Maybe change your last name to something Jewish?

>>16031450
>Maybe change your last name to something Jewish?
does this really work??

Dumb question, which are the most challenging fields of engineering to do work in regarding sheer complexity and difficulty of the profession itself (breaking into them isn't what I am asking, I am asking about the difficult of the jobs themselves).
I want to shoot for as hard of a field as possible for the sake of challenging myself, I do not want to take the easy road. I want to do something that I can take pride for how difficult the work is and not spend my time playing games all day like my peers. No, I do not want to do hard physical labor like some of them going into Marines, not that I frown upon it because they are dumb and dirty (they are fine hard workers). I want to be paid decently and have something stimulating as a profession and not just be a packmule in some country our nation is bombing for the sake of money.

>>16030342
Oh shit man. Can I get licensed if I say the n-word or the t-word in public? Will I get fired for having a politically incorrect memes account on Reddit?

Anyone here been a consultant? How the fuck do I figure out how much to charge clients?

how successful does one have to be to be invited for permanent residence in china? unfortunately i am already married so that route isn't available to us

What type of computer skills would be best for someone in cell/micro/molecular/genetics areas? All this stuff should benefit from tech and being able to bridge the gap between benchwork (like being a lab monkey) and computer stuff should be great for getting a better job.

>>16031809
Look up what other consultants charge in your field and charge slightly lower than that.

>fell for the CS meme where all the cool shit is in CE/EE
Is it over? I'm already a junior

>>16032264
Prioritize networking and internship/research/work experience above grades, but it keep at least a 3.5.
Worse case scenario - join the US Cyber Corp or whatever is your country's equivalent when you graduate. It sucks, but you don't have to compete with H1Bs there.

Help me decide which PhD program to choose, bros. I'm finishing my master's in pure math and I've been accepted to both of these:

Option 1:
>Top 20 school in country
>Same school where I did my bachelor's and master's
>Two co-supervisors, both just starting their careers. I was their first master's student and will be their first PhD student
>Will be able to publish more papers
>Can live rent-free with parents

Option 2:
>Top 5 school in country
>Supervisor has had 4 previous PhD students but doesn't publish often
>Average cost of living

>I have spent all my free time in my field of interest every day for years
>now I am getting formal education so that I get past the auto filter
>all of my autistic side hobbies are tangentially related to my field of study
>every place that I have applied for automatically declined my application for an internship/research/part time job anything related in any way to what I'm studying
I don't get it. It was over before it began wasn't it?

grad school application was "temporarily rejected"
they want official transcripts
it's over

>>16026657
Why would you kill yourself about not getting into Harvard for fucking engineering kek? Does anyone in engineering even give a shit about Harvard? Plus their reputation as a prestigious institution is freefalling in real time.

>>16027119
I'm 2 years post-graduation and can't even get an interview. I'm currently applying because I think I might be getting fired soon and I can't even get a response. When I graduated in 2022 I was getting more offers than I knew what to do with.

>>16028559
Are you brown?
Just say he insulted your tribal honor or whatever and they will fully acquit.
If you're white yeah you're fucked.

How do I get into data science? I want to make my waifu real. I have most of a math undergrad education.

I'm freaking out man I think I might get fired soon.

>>16032598
Option 2. Move out or you will be a virgin for the rest of your life.

>>16032737
>I want to make my waifu real
How do you propose doing that with data wrangling?

>>16032886
>make $$$ with data science
>pay some gook to cosplay as your waifu
>?????
>profit

>>16032953
He's furry ajacent he's too intimidated by real humans to be aroused, in his fantasy it would be a Roger Rabbit-esque world where weird toons live alongside humans and only exist for him to exert dominance over while never challenging him.

>>16031543
Licensed, yeah. Fired yeah. Not the same.

is it worth it to return to finish my last year of university? chem major 2.7gpa in California

>>16033004
A finished degree is still better than an unfinished degree

>>16033011
im really good at organic chem. i want to be a toxicologist but would need to get into a CLS program which is very competitive. im thinking of finishing my degree in CA but join a program out of state. Will probably live in my car and shower at 24hr planet fitness gyms

>>16032886
Then if not data science what do I get into if I want to make my waifu real? I assumed "data science" was interchangeable with "machine learning" or "AI" but I guess not.
>>16032971
Weird projection.

>>16033004
>2.7 gpa
these are the people on this board

>>16021329
Am a CS major math minor whose graduating this year, 3.8 gpa, decent school but not ivy/caltech tier, I just have research experience.
Should I get a CS/applied math PhD to wait until the tech sector isn't fucked? Would it make more sense to just find a more stable job that's more resistant to outsourcing like being an actuary or civil engineer?

>>16033065
Generally, the high-effort but best outcome path is to apply for both PhDs and jobs. That will give you a clearer idea of what is actually available to you, and then you can make decisions accordingly. A really good PhD opportunity might well be worth more than a shitty job, even if most jobs would be better than most PhDs.

Tard here
Is psychology today a reliable source? This looks like where psychologists write opinion articles.

>>16033089
NTA but is there a point in doing a PhD if I want to stay in my home city?

>>16033119
no you fucking retard

>>16033119
Generally academia requires moving around. Unless you get very lucky it's unlikely that your hometown university is the best option for a PhD, and if you want to stay in academia you certainly will shoot yourself in the foot by just staying in one place. At the PhD level your skills tend to be quite specialized, and assuming you go for a job that is relevant in any way to your PhD, that's not always something you will find if you limit your search to a single city (or even country).

There is a different angle to this, which is that there could be relevant industry in your area because of some causal university/industry interaction. In this case you could, for example, get a PhD in basket weaving at your local uni and go work at the city's basket weaving plant which either attracts basket weaving enthusiasts to your shithole or which came about as a spin-off from the basket weaving research group.

Whether or not a similar circumstance exists for you I could not know, but the point is that you should try to figure out what comes after the PhD and whether that's realistic to do in your city.

That said, I'm probably returning to my hometown soon, having done undergrad, a PhD and a postdoc in different countries. Mixed feelings, it's not exactly a success story on my part but on the other hand I am glad that this torture and bullshit will finally end.

Can i ask about finance here?

>>16033047
>Weird projection.
I'm not the one fantasizing about life with a cartoon girlfriend my man. I simply see deeper than you because I'm both wiser and more intelligent. You have a low IQ as well as being evil.

>>16033119
First off, >>16033147 is right.
The only other reason to do a PhD is to sit out the collapse in the job market without leaving gaping holes in your CV. Still, that is no easy mode.

Even the biggest companies lie about their jobs:
https://archive.is/pbwo2

Studying ME
Should my laptop include a graphic card? Will programs like inventor etc require some punch out of my pc?

I already have a good PC at home and part of me really doesn't want to spend money for a laptop, but another part of me is afraid I will regret it if I get a shitty one.

Do Americans in Mechanical Engineering have to compete with Indians and H1Bs like CS kids do?

>>16033152
There’s at least one finance bro here (me) and I’ve counted 2 or 3 others.

>>16033880
All the indians will get filtered by ai then you will be competing with that

>>16034065
What is your job exactly? I read that finance and accounting are up or out usually despite being in demand degrees. Sounds like hell.
Other degrees i was thinking:
>cs for the wonderful boomer mushroom management once it swings back to being a workers market
>business for the better gender balance and lower stress than finance

>>16021408
Consider jobs where the only major rule out (except being able or unable to fulfill the duties of the post) are having a bachelor's degree. Even if you don't go into something specifically math related, a math bachelor's is still a bachelor's degree.

>>16022193
Is actuarial science something insulated from the advent/rise of AI/Large Language Models?

https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.10130

>>16034129
Yes, actuaries aren't a huge cost center for companies so there's little financial incentive to replace them, and "AI" sucks too much for the immediate future. Plus there are liability things when using an actuary, unless AIs are legally viewed as people no company is going to take that risk.
Also LLMs specifically are extremely weak in math/logical thinking, although I guess they can be taught via reinforcement from something like lean in the future. Even if they can think logically, if they encounter something outside their training they'll hallucinate, potentially losing the company billions

>>16034164
Traditional software is perfectly capable of doing statistics. All someone as to do is plug that into an ai.

>>16034171
Are they capable of understanding shifting business requirements and complex regulatory changes? Can you hold an AI liable if they fuck up massively? Actuaries aren't just human calculators my guy

>>16033152
Yeah, /biz/ have no interest in /bizcg/ despite it would heighten the quality of the thread.
>>16034065
Add one more pls (me)

would i get more career growth by 100% focusing on exceling at my job/improving my CV as opposed to getting an MBA or masters in my field? (civil eng.)

>>16034095
I do FP&A for a F500 company. In other words, I make internal financial models for whatever the company needs from me.

FP&A at big companies can be rough. This field attracts a lot of competitive people. For example, many burned out investment bankers end up in FP&A in one way or another. However, unlike other fields of finance like investment banks, hedge funds, etc., the finance function for a company is a cost center.

For example, I do not really generate revenue. My financial models may influence a decision that may increase revenue but 80% of the credit will be taken by the commercial people who actually made and executed the decision. I may get a nice bonus though. This makes us really glorified administrators of company resources and when times are tough it is very easy for a big company to cut staff in areas that do not generate revenue such as FP&A.

However I would say that that is more rare than you'd think and FP&A is considered to be the comfiest finance job... and also the lowest paid. But if you are happy to try mental health and sanity for comfiness, you should definitely consider it as a career path. I honestly cannot speak about accounting but I will say that it is a very, very different job.

>cs
CS is good because at a tech company you can drive revenue which is the reason why people get paid the big bucks.
>business
Do not study business. Study literally ANYTHING else and later on get an MBA. An MBA is the only business degree with any value.

>>16021329
What software or method is used to make these pictures (referring to hemoglobin, myoglobin, and general protein pictures)? Is it very accurate or it is more rudimentary than anything else?

I have an offer for a 6 months internship starting on May 1st and ending on October 30, but I would like to push it back a little. Can I just ask to delay it, say, to May 15-November 15?
Is starting mid month a thing or should I go directly for June 1st? Sorry if this is a dumb question but I have no idea, I'm new to all this.

By the way, I have a valid reason for delaying which I will explain to the recruiter.

>>16034402
>recruiter
Which branch? I am considering the Air Force if I don't get into any doctoral programs.
As for your question, there's nothing wrong with asking to delay your internship starting date, just make sure they can actually accommodate you.

>>16034316
Crystallographers experimentally determine the structures of the molecules and create files of them and you can find and download them on the Protein Data Bank (PDB). Then to look at the files, you can get software such as ChimeraX or PyMole. You just have to learn how to use the software to view the structure for your use.

The pictures are representations of the proteins' structures so they will never be 100% accurate. The pictures in the image you uploaded for example depicts the proteins as "ribbon diagrams"
which is used to show underlying structures in the overall structure. There are other ways to represent proteins with their own use case.

Additionally, the way the crystallographers determine the protein structures affect the structures' accuracy. For each file on the PDB, there should be a paper that describes how the structure was determined as well as other parameters like the resolution of the structure or temperature of when it was determined. Also, those pictures you see online might not account for the fact that the molecules are never isolated in a vacuum, they are always interacting with their environment and constantly changing. So, when using the structure for something, you should read the paper to better know how the structure was determined.

I do not know how the crystallographers determine the structure and put it on a computer.

>>16034316
>>16034545
Also to be clear, accuracy is dependent on the use-case. For your example, the picture you provided is accurate enough for showing hemoglobin and myoglobin in a culinary youtube video, but for someone who is simulating hemoglobin's molecular dynamics on a supercomputer to better understand how hemoglobin interacts with something, that structural depiction is not accurate enough.

Doing a meme BSc in geology, I will probably have to move overseas since all the good jobs in the field are there, the salaries for the jobs here are poverty teir. It looks promising though.

>>16034647
>the salaries for the jobs here are poverty teir
UK? No tech jobs are well paid there.

>>16026657
>Harvard engineering
Lol, lmao even

What is the very best school to go to if I want to end up as a hardware designer?
I already have a MS in mathematics from a good school, but after denying a PhD position there, it's only lead me to a software dev job, pays well but is boring.

>>16035022
>after denying a PhD position
*declining

How will I explain to the interviewer on why I spent my 9 years at college? I'm going to be a neet for sure.

>>16035042
Tell us the truth anon. Why did you spend 9 years at college and what did you get out of it?

>>16035083
>failed most of the math subjects except for algebra, linear math, differential equation and advance math
>I couldn't balance my work and school because I always get tired during the day and began to work at night
>pandemic made things worst so I began to stressed out about everything even the class in online also I failed my software engineering course because I had an issue to my computer which halted my project progression + malware >almost at the end of my college life and start getting anxious about my career in the future.
I should have stopped studying when I had a chance but I am afraid that I might regret that decision someday in the future so I choose to keep doing.

>>16035092
Ok, sounds like you are a highly functioning retard. Just lie until you get a job.

>>16031220
Physics isn't really good in terms of career prospects, at least compared to other STEM like CS.

>>16034451
>Which branch?
Semiconductors. Can't be more specific than that, sorry. I am a (mediocre at best) phycisist by the way, and it wasn't too hard getting offers >>16035124 >>16031220

>>16035022
Have you considered DSP work, especially algorithm development, for telecom? That is maths heavy and well funded.

>>16031220
>Who am I supposed to believe?
Believe me (>>16031117), I did a PhD in Physics and also worked for a period in the software industry. The important thing is that you really need a PhD to get the good jobs.

>>16035131
>Semiconductors
All solid state fields are safe, especially semiconductors.

Any of you guys Acoustical Engineers? I'm currently doing EE but I'm thinking about switching for my MS

>>16034545
>>16034555
Thank you for answering. I've always wondered after this kind of information. Whether its accuracy was absolute or (like it seemed to me) merely relative.

>>16035203
What field are you in now?

>>16023457
well, what do you do?

>>16035180
>Have you considered DSP work, especially algorithm development
Is algorithm dev for DSP still a live area? That sounds indeed interesting. Wonder if there are career options in my proximity.

>>16035482
These days I am a patent attorney. The researcher lifestyle was interesting but the time comes when you have to pay down the student loans and settle down. Changing from zero disposable income and moving every tywo years into a salaried profession with good pay was quite the change. I am still not used to having disposable income.

>>16035649
>Is algorithm dev for DSP still a live area?
Sure, every new generation of mobile phone tech (like G4, G5, G6...) and WIFI tech and new radars etc. require a lot of new algorithms. More powerful computers afford us not more garmage programmers but also more powerful algorithms, and these are made and implemented by competent people.
>That sounds indeed interesting. Wonder if there are career options in my proximity.
Where are you? Mobile tech companies and defence companies are always looking for more people.

>>16033880
No because it’s near impossible for them to get licensed. I’ve turned down 3 job offers this month alone. Really just looking to pick up some side work as a contractor.


t. PE

>>16035092
>failed most of the math subjects except for algebra, linear math, differential equation and advance math
That is a lot of math classes.Were you a math major?

What career do I do if I want to become a NEET? Or at least if I want to be a shutin what do I do?

>>16035839
Linux admin

>>16033880
CS kiddies have a low barrier to work, ME/EEs don't compete with street shitters because they get filtered by the first interview.

>>16035691
How was your software dev job compared to your physics career?

Is there no point in grad school if its not a top school?

>>16036231
I worked for a while in embedded systems and it was fairly good. It was a small company so it was intense at times. Later I worked for a larger software company and it was a slave ship where we ended up with 80+ hour weeks. At least I had job security (until the companies folded).
As a physicist I had to trek around the world for each postdoc contract that always was time limited. Pay was bad. Hours were more regular than in software, though we had a few rounds of crunch time before submitting papers to conferences.

All in all, had there been basic pay and job certainty as a researcher, I would probably have remained in research.

>>16035694
>Where are you?
Germany currently.

>>16036456
Both Ericsson and Nokia have major research departments in Germany.

Bros is it better to go to a top 5 international university for undergrad or go to a no name university with tuition paid for and hope to get into top 5 for postgrad?

>>16021635
There wasn't a Nazi Germany in the 1920s

>>16031439
Should I just focus on academics, or try to write papers or make projects? I'm an EE undergrad and I want to work in robotics and/or ML. Unfortunately, my university's EE program is quite hard and I don't have the time, energy to do any extracurriculars.

>>16035832
Engineering anon. Doing something about computers is my passion.

Are the requirements for higher education, like a Masters or PhD, in a company's job posting "hard requirements"? Like you'll be disqualified outright if you don't have them? What if you've got papers, projects that might impress them enough?
I say that, because sloggin through undergraduate has destroyed any and all passion I had and motivation to pursue further studies. I absolutely don't want to go back to school once I graduate.

>>16036676
I have a friend who got a position that required a masters but he didn’t have one. Not even in progress or anywhere close to starting one. But he did have a friend inside the company who vouched for him.

Most hard requirements are just filters. If you have a masters that means you have a lower probability of being a retarded drug addict. So they put it in there to reduce their hiring rates of retarded drug addicts (a huge problem for most companies because their HR are themselves retards and drug addicts who think such behavior is normal and do not even detect it). But if someone else can vouch that you are, in fact, NOT a retard or a drug addict, then those hard requirements start looking much more flexible.

>>16036701
isn't a bachelors enough to not vouch for me not being a retarded drug addict. The EE program in my university is infamously hard and I can guarantee no retard or drug addict will get past the first year.
Unfortunately, since I'm a socially impotent introvert, the nepotism/networking route is out for me.

>>16036704
Have you seen most college related movies? Most college graduates are both retards and drug addicts.

You may say you are not, or that in your specific university it is not the case, but the movies show the perception of society in general. When most people see a recent college grad they see a drug addicted retard. I include myself when I say that and once you are 3-4 years out of college you will also share that perspective.

Sorry but to society you are a drug addicted retard. Of course, if you interview really well then you may convince them that at least you are a high functioning drug addict worth taking a risk on.

>>16036521
Cool, thanks. By any chance, do you know what the pay's like?

>>16021329
I have a Biochemistry BS but would ultimately like to do research. Immediately after completing my undergrad, I got a pharma job at a big company. I don't make much (relatively) at the bottom right now but its about double a good grad school stipend plus excellent benefits and infinite overtime.

Is it actually feasible to get into industry R&D without an advanced degree? I see many job postings for Scientist I/II positions or Research Scientist allow a BS with 8-10 years of experience instead of an MS or PhD.

I guess the better question is as such: is it wise to sacrifice 5-7 years of no savings while in grad school to ensure a research position later down the road? If it's possible with a BS, then 10 years of savings and experience is the obvious choice to me, but I'm not so sure the path is as clear cut as it's made out to be. I worry about being gatekept despite postings saying otherwise.

>final year math msc
>just got denied just about every funding opportunity I ever applied for
is it time to pivot? I want to do a phd, and if I can do it, I'm pretty sure I'll make it as an academic (maybe incorrectly so, given my general inability to secure funding). But right now there's a nonzero chance I fucking die if I don't start making money soon. I still have until the end of the year until I'm done, so now would be a good time to pick up something more applicable than the cohomology of sheaves. Any suggestions for what to pivot to? Become an actuary? I looked at the first exam and it's mostly stats shit that I actually took a class on in undergrad, so I'm pretty sure I'll be able to pass 2 or 3 exams this year while I finish my degree. I'm afraid that it will be hard to find a job if I don't do something about it right now. I could gamble and hope and pray that I get money to survive doing a phd, but I don't want to be stuck flipping burgers if that doesn't pan out. On the other hand, it would be a shame to give up, I'm actually having fun.

What the fuck are you supposed to do with a BA in math?

>Looked at MS in computer science programs but apparently they're just full of third worlders looking for a ticket to the US. Plus, software is saturated and impossible to get a job in right now.

>Looked at Mechanical Engineering master's which would accept me if I took a few core courses from the bachelors, but I would run into barriers getting my PE in my state (and likely a job) due to a lack of a bachelor's.

>Data science is apparently oversaturated/a meme/dying.

>I have no interest in actuarial science, finance, law, consulting, medicine, or teaching. I have no visual art talent for architecture.

Is it over? Should I go back for a second bachelors in engineering, change my name, delete my resume, and just start over?

How the fuck are universities even allowed to offer these useless degrees? To make matters even worse, I went to a ~40 ranked US school not realizing I'd be fucked for jobs. I didn't think this through.

>>16036821
Apply for a phd in a non-math field, if you're decent with stochastic processes then that opens up a lot of finance/financial mathematics research, alternatively OR type programs.

>>16036973
>How the fuck are universities even allowed to offer these useless degrees?
Because dumbasses like you pay for them.

>I have no interest in actuarial science, finance, law, consulting, medicine, or teaching. I have no visual art talent for architecture.
Well shit you're not making it any easier for yourself.
If you can manage to get a >3.7 gpa then MSCS is your best bet, lot of competitions, lot of pooinloos and chinks, but if you manage to land an entry level job afterwards you'll be fine.

My applications to PhD programs are weak because I don't have any published papers. Apparently, people who did not graduate with any took a year to research and publish a few. How did they do that?

>>16035691
Did you go to law school?

>>16036725
>By any chance, do you know what the pay's like?
Sorry, no.
I hear a good algorithm developer is worth his weight in gold, but I am not sure he is paid as much.

Just got a job offer for a “forensic engineering” job doing failure analysis for insurance companies. Feels sell out as fuck but they are offering me $200k base + bonuses. I’d be screwing over small businesses out of insurance money. Should I take it?

>>16037097
No, not here in Europe. You start as a trainee, get the training on the job and lots of courses and prepare for the dreaded EQE to qualify as European patent attorney. Many countries (UK, DE and more) also have their national exams.

Does anyone know how the aerospace engineering market is doing at the moment? I know NASA/JPL just laid off a shit ton of people which doesn't make me particularly hopeful. I'm starting college this year and don't know whether it would be better to do aerospace or something like mechanical engineering.

>>16036821
>math msc
>needing funding
how expensive is paper and ink these days?

>>16037095
They reached to their professors after graduation and offered to volunteer for their research. They probably networked and established a rapport or at least a connection with them.
>>16036346
For supersaturated fields, yes.

>>16037300
Most rockets sent up to space isn't to explore the universe, but rather to send up satellites for telecommunications, GPS, meteorology, and surveying the land for national intelligence, prospecting, etc. These industries aren't going away anytime soon.
For planes and shit, it's not like those are expected to decline either.

what should I study if i want to be able to teach math and science to children and totally uneducated adults?\
is there a book i can read that covers what i should cover and the pedagogy

>>16021536
Bro I have an engineering degree and not even fast food will take me. I just need to accept that I’m too autistic to get past the job interview phase.

I should’ve joined the US army when I was 18. That or I should have become a career criminal. I’m in my late 20s now and I’ve ruined my fucking life. I want to rope so fucking bad.

>>16037690
I'm in the exact same situation man. computer science. good school. doesn't matter. I just suck ass at everything

>>16037690
bro the army will take you until youre 45 or something, you got plenty of time!

>>16037686
There's no magic book. You can start by teaching kids and adults off the same books you learnt from, but you have to be extremely patient and write out every single step. If you're teaching children, you have to be highly motivated and energetic. You gotta make everything look fun and exciting, but at the same time engaging. You have to invite them to do stuff and sit quietly as they carry out simple computation work, only to tell them "I think you did a mistake there". You have to be willing to let them try stuff out even if it looks wrong just for the sake of seeing if they're capable of performing basic reasoning. Assume that everything, even the easiest concepts, may be difficult for some people, and that some children and/or adult learners might have no difficulty understanding some stuff you probably struggled with, but might fail to grasp extremely simple concepts or procedures.
Patience is the key.

>>16037714
>teaching kids and adults off the same books you learnt from,
um....

>>16037715
Going through level-appropriate material at a regular pace, of course, not trying to do something ridiculous like teaching Galois theory to an 11 year old.

>>16021329
I recently started working as a PI at a research institute and I've been going through a large hiring cycle.
I'm genuinely wondering, why the fuck do people put shit like their pronouns in their CV. It's always so prominent too. I just throw that shit straight into the trash, why the fuck would I want to work with people like that? Is it something that people do to try to qualify as a diversity hire?

>>16037724
because it works for some people. I had an interview today, I asked how the culture of the company was, and she went out of her way to tell me how inclusive it was and diverse and how its great to make everyone feel welcome. Im a white male, why is she telling me this shit? Also, its a research lab, I want to know about the research culture

Stats&CS junior at a University of California campus, and I'm conflicted. On one hand, I want to go work as a software developer, but I don't have any internship experience yet. On the other hand, I just recently explored the uni's lab and thought to myself "Damn. I kinda wanna go here". I also don't have any research experience (CC transfer student). The school has been advertising a ton of data science fellowships and some REUs for this summer. And it's probably a great way to both get some research experience, and see if I even like it.
My current goal is to graduate with a programming internship, work in the industry for 2~3 years, return to the UC for a masters, and try to land a more advanced job.
So what should I do this summer? And/or do you guys suggest a different path?

>>16037947
If you can get a REU go for it. Is the minor in stats or combined degree?

>>16035022
>What is the very best school to go to if I want to end up as a hardware designer?
Bump.
I got an answer suggesting DSP, which is very cool, but I'm still curious what the top schools are for hw design.

>>16037959
Combined degree. I'm to take the core upper div stats classes, but most of the elective classes have been switched with required, non-hardware CS classes (Databaes, DS&A, Linear Algebra-based ML, etc)

I think I'm going to bite my supervisor

For those who are engineers, WHAT exactly are you building?

Am I going to be making toasters and staplers or rocket ships and underwater drones?

>>16021408
>>16023485
Can any of you feggots tell me whether this is the case in CS? I went for the same reason as the guy who made the post, but got shilled that we CSlets at least get jobs and I like the perk of being able to program.

So tldr
>Is the CS master worth it?
>I am located in Germany
I always hear/read that
>2 Years for a CS M.Sc. is a waste of time.
On the other hand, I will do a Bioinformatics M.Sc. if I go into grad school, but even there, some anons in the archives claimed it was a meme and they wasted time of their life.

>>16038846
Bioinformatics is a meme, SAAR. DON'T DO THE NEEDFUL!

>>16039059
Kek, serious or trolling me anon. Can you elaborate?

>>16039578
>https://www.reddit.com/r/bioinformatics/comments/gdjnb6/anybody_else_regret_studying_bioinformatics/?rdt=42477
I know it's le reddit, but maybe I should just go into industry with my B. Sc. Fuck it, all seems equally hopeless.

>>16039578
Pure bioinfo seems like a meme to me but as a biofag, bioinfo + lab experience is absolutely not a meme it puts you in like the top 5% of bio candidates for most positions

>>16039578
>>16039590

And also bioinfo is generally not a meme if you do something else. ML + bioinfo or lab experience + bioinfo or physics + bioinfo are all pretty based combos that I think would get you places. But just R-monkeying isn't exactly that coveted of a skillset.

>>16039590
>>16039594
Hmm, thanks anon, I'll think it through. This is why I can't make up my mind, too many conflicting pieces of info kek.

Will soon do my Bachelor thesis then I'll decide whether I want to spend another 2.5 years stressing about uni.

Already did a bunch of physics (we do side subjects in my uni and I took a bunch of experimental physics classes) and will definitely take a bunch of biophysics in grad school.

>>16036661
Mine too but those you listed were pretty much the only math classes I had to take. And can I ask why its your passion?

I wrote in that writingtoIQ shit and did a prompt without too much editing or such. I got 127 IQ. Should I incllude it in my CV?

>>16040436
>Should I incllude it in my CV?
Probably not, it may seem like excessiv vanity. It i sbetter to let your work show what you are worth.

>>16040471
Anon, I think he was joking.

>>16040493
I really, really hope he was. Then again, this is 4ch.

>>16040555
You answered kind anyways. /scig/ is a good place even in this sea of piss.

Is physics a meme degree compared to other STEM like CS? I really want to go into physics but I am afraid that I will end up homeless.

>>16040888
I'd say a BS in Physics is worth it if you want to do an MS after, you can basically transition into whatever the fuck you want

>>16040888
Do physics major but minor in something that is a guaranteed job. Like EE or econ or some shit.

>>16031136
Got deep into moldbug territory recently and had a similar realization. I love math but I would rather enjoy a self-sustaining life with a big and happy family and use my free time to study whatever I want

>>16037714
Great comment. Are you a teacher?

>>16041433
Hey ted, sent any mail recently?

>>16041713
No. I'm a professional masturbation addict.

>>16037724
because it works

>>16041433
Getting into moldbug in 2024...

>>16042243
What do the cool zoomers read, anyway?

>>16042382
Thomas777

>>16040888
>>16041063
>>16041067
Physics and math degrees have been falling off since the previous decades. You are better off in other stem like eng or CS.

>>16042463
>degrees have been falling off
Falling off? Off what? What did anon mean by this??

>>16021329
Knee deep in Nuc Reactor Operations at the moment and it has been such an awarding career after school - just it is very stressful and i need to find ways to mitigate the stress.

I just read and go on walks in my free time , and sometimes my friends from back home come up but its infrequent

How do i stay strong?

>>16042463
I'd say this is completely backwards. Math degrees are increasing their value due to the rise of shit like AI and Data Science.

It's all shit and useless, but companies pay top dollar to have someone doing it.

>>16042513
>Falling off? Off what? What did anon mean by this??
The degrees are worthless nowadays

>>16042527
Why wouldn’t companies hire cs and data analytics majors instead? Given how the market is saturated with CS and its adjacent major grads now, there’s little chance people with a generalist degree like math or physics can land a job.

>>16042718
>The degrees are worthless nowadays
How peculiar; I am pretty well paid as a physicist.

>>16042757
What job do you do as a physicist?

>>16042968
I am a patent attorney (I have posted a few times earlier on this general) and in several cases I am brought in by the clients to join in the development project before drafting patent applications. It isn't something all patent attorneys do, but I have several such clients and another colleague of mine also do similar work.
In a few cases I am also working on the clients' business plans and discussions with investors. This is even more uncommon work but helps enormously in building a network of new clients. Much of my work is word of mouth recommendations.
It is also great to see the products at the end of all the research and development work.

>>16042757
>I am pretty well paid as a physicist
>>16042992
>I have additional education and certifications

There ya go. A BS in physics by itself isn't worth much

>>16043012
True, and the FAQ also mentions that. You need a Master's degree or better yet a PhD.

>>16042718
>data analytics majors
Why would I pay for some shitty neovagmajor with tranny programming socks when I can get a math major in stats for the same price?

>>16042463
Math degrees in stats are still worth their weight in gold. Provided you have some courses geared for real applications.

>>16042718
>cs
CS is a meme degree invented by Bill Gates to lower the pay of his software engineers. If you look back at the old times, CS used to mean a degree to learn you how to type in a computer and shit like that. If you look at every author of the fundamental CS textbooks, all of them mathematicians.

>data anlytics
This is a much newer meme degree invented by Sundar Pichai to lower the pay of his engineers. Same shit as above. The real deal (math) is worth 10x.

>writing masters thesis
>fuck everything up like a tard
>have one week to write it all
>have results and know all the stuff
>can easily find sources on google
can I do it bros?

>>16043776
Yeah you can if you put all your effort into it.

>>16043776
>>have one week to write it all
You can do it. You just need to get into the flow and fous like never before in your life. 30 years form now you willl tell people about this.

>>16043112
>>16043114
>>16043141
What about a physics degree? It is as valuable as math?

>>16044023
Math stats > Math pure >>> Physics

>>16044133
Please let us all know more about the job market for mathematicians. The FAQ is a bit thin on that topic.

>two most exciting ML fields are bioinformatics or unironic AGI
>probably both bubbles
which would you pick to focus on tho

What is the job market like for computer vision/image analysis in astronomy? Would I need any domain knowledge on physics?

>>16044257
None of them. I would rather focus on finance, customer behaviour, credit defaults. Because let's face it, our economy in the west is not focused towards science or learning, but rather on the debt and the debtors.

>>16044277
i already work close with that space and i want out. guess i just don't have what it takes to be a billionnaire

>>16044290
Why do you want out?

Considering the fact that I want to apply to a good PhD program in the US, would you pick courses that would get you straight As to push your GPA forward, or would you still go for the challenging classes that you like, knowing that the grades won't be as great?

I could get straight As taking embedded systems and compiler constructions, or struggle more but I take classes I enjoy on quantum electrodynamics and optics as well as some stat physics.

I wish I could take all of it but time is limited and it sucks to have to ditch topics I wish I'd learn, but still I have to make my profile competitive.

I come from a top 5 European school according to meme rankings, don't know if it matters at all.

>>16044342
Take the straight A classes and "sit in" on the classes you enjoy. You minmax your life then.

>>16044311
it's an unoriginal answer but i'm tired of putting effort into a bullshit job. i'm working weekends to do nothing but make rich people richer
i was way more money focused when i was broke but i'm not anymore

>>16044358
I understand you. I think you should do what you do now, but go in business for yourself as a consultant. Then use every taxloophole known to man to get even more money.

I asked a question in academia stackexchange. desperately looking for advice on some obscure situation.
Should I take their advice to heart? it did make sense but I'm worried whoever replied as a troll because they were very encouraging and nice to me.

>>16044458
What question did you have anon?

>>16044290
Be careful you aren't imagining the grass is greener. The world of ML academia is just as much of a big sickening personality contest as industry but everyone gets payed less (outside of the industry labs). Trying to get anything interesting published is like pulling teeth.

>>16042992
How hard is studying for the patent qualifications? My PhD is sucking all the enjoyment of research out of me and I'm considering it, might apply to some internships. I live next door to the European parliament so if you're an ameruiiiiu I assume the system works differently.

>>16044465
I'm based in Canada . 24M and have a criminal record for serious offence(no contact non violent robbery). I remember desperately asking for help there asking if It would be a dumb idea to get a college degree in stem. They told me that I should and I would be dumb if I didn't basically. I told them I got 9 years from right now until I can get my record sealed so they said just get a masters and maybe a phd. then youll have a clean slate

I asked it a while ago, then got IQ insecurity so I decided to test my IQ on online leaked tests and those one mensa has on their site. I was consistently performing at 135 plus. So now I'm not feeling as dumb.

>>16044502
Just go for it. Worst case scenario you will have to just bail from canada and work somewhere else.

>>16044342
depends on what you want a job in. take a good chunk of A classes and if you may want to go into optics later then take the optics class so it's on your transcript (as long as you can at least pass it).

I have a placement for CS + stat double major. With how saturated the market is right now, I realised that I will likely end up a codemonkey for some small tech company for the rest of my life. Should I change my major to physics? I have always had an interest for phy research. Am I fucking myself over if I jump to physics? Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

>>16023326

>>16045157
CS + stats is pretty goat. Get some electives in intro accounting or intro economics as well.

>>16033050
I'll have you know I got into one of the best grad schools in my country with my final year 3.0 gpa
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and a 2.7 cgpa

>>16032737
>I want to make my waifu real.
i want to become my waifu

>>16033004
>is it worth it to return to finish my last year of university?
you'll regret getting so close and not finishing
but taking time off is needed at times

>>16033065
>Should I get a CS/applied math PhD to wait until the tech sector isn't fucked?
as long as you are funded it's not unusual. i work with many phd dropouts so it's not like you're committed to it. many of them mastered out (or whatever it's called) after 2 years, then took the 300k big tech offer when it came around

how closely should i listen to hiring managers and HR type people when it comes to engineering resume reviews? one of them reviewed my resume and their only suggestion was to add an objectives section and more soft skills, which goes against all of the engineering resume advice ive seen online.

>>16046257
I feel like if you ask any CV question from 5 different people you will get 5 different answers.

Regarding the objectives and soft skills, my two cents is that it depends on the job you're applying for. Especially if you're applying a bit out of your original field the technical jargon will become meaningless pretty quick and rather than learning about the various subforms of FHPA-compliant DTC profiles within the BBQ framework you're familiar with it might be more useful to let them know you can manage a project, plan and stick to timelines and supervise junior workers.

But if you're applying for the FHPA DTCBBQ engineer position then obviously the priorities are different.

>>16045157
Go into physics if you are high IQ. CS and other its related tech degrees are for midwits

>>16045157
do physics+cs minor

>>16046816
good chance you end up in tech anyways but it's better to have other qualifications then go to tech than not
i work with many physicists and mathematicians who just get paid better as webdevs

I'm wondering if I'm making a good move here, I want to quit engineering and just go for basic sciences or something close to it.
I'm tired of engineering and how complicated this shit can get. I'm working at a lab right now and the current focus is on a new kind of silicon root of trust, some kind of piece of hardware that can do a bunch of cryptographic stuff.
I realize I'm more at ease with fuckin statistical physics than trying to understand what the fuck is going on in an open-source codebase of an emulator.

I did a double major in CS and Physics and currently in a MSc in EECS, I want to quit EECS and just go for straight math/physics for a PhD instead but I'm worried about the opportunity cost. Yet I still realize that CS jobs just bore the fuck out of me, I don't want to read code all day, I don't want to work on a piece of code written by someone else I have no way to contact, I don't understand why all these pieces of software are dispatched and so poorly organized and I never wrap my head around what the fuck is going on, while all my peers just somehow get it. I don't even understand why I would find working on a secure boot interesting while there are people looking at the stars or trying to build quantum processors, yet here I am doing research on this shit for 6 months now and the tech is always being updated faster than I can learn it so I am constantly behind.

Please give me advice on how to work on large monolith open-source project, I need to finish this project and get the fuck out as soon as possible.

>>16047213
Do you wish you had pursued a physics bachelor instead of cs and phy?

>>16047244
I did pursue physics but did not go in depth as it was double major.
With physics you can get anywhere with enough hard work and you can learn programming with just a couple of classes on fundamental algorthmic principle (including streaming, distributed, and concurrent algorithms) and core systems classes (architecture, OS and maybe compiler if you have time but personally didn't).

Physics has just better topics in general and often you can map what you learn to another subject, the questions are just so much more fundamental, and one aspect I really like is that the whole point of physics is making a problem easier to handle, whereas it seems that CS systems engineering is the complete opposite, it's as if they absolutely want to make their software a clusterfuck, no matter how many good practices they implement, it inevitably blows up and I just do not like having to go over files and files of code just to figure out wtf some dude from Arizona tried to do.

Physics major with cs minor is the way to go, and try to stay in fundamental research projects, not optimization shit building on top of the work of thousands of people that never communicated with each others.
My BSc thesis was on building efficient algos that could approximate what quantum algos could do as close as possible on certain classes of problems, it was amazing, but now I'm working on RISC V opensource shit for secure boot and I am depressed and burnt out and honestly cant even explain to a normal person what Im doing because it's just so obscure.and meaningless.

>>16044500
>How hard is studying for the patent qualifications?
In Europe it is fairly hard but also rewarding. You start out as a trainee and the company trains and prepares you for the exam (EQE). Job prospects after qualifications are very good.
>My PhD is sucking all the enjoyment of research out of me and I'm considering it, might apply to some internships.
The pyramid rapidly narrows in academia, but the patent profession appreciates people with a PhD. Where I work, about 20 percent have a PhD (including me).
>I live next door to the European parliament so if you're an ameruiiiiu I assume the system works differently.
The US system is very different in most respects. I am in Europe and write from an European point of view.

>>16047213
Bro. Just do basic bitch power design and work for a MEP firm sizing transformers and switch gear. It’s comfy, brain dead easy, and pays good.

How important are undergraduate grades when applying to ECE Ph.D programs if you already have a Master's degree? I applied to ECE Ph.D programs this last cycle, and while a lot of programs were interested in the research and internships I'd done, they were put off by my grades, which were pretty bad in comparison. That being said, I have the option to, assuming I keep my current TA position, get my master's degree at the university I'm currently at with zero tuition costs. I also have a couple job offers from national labs to work there as technical staff. Would you guys recommend I go for my masters now and apply again to Ph.D programs afterwards, or should I work for a couple years, network, and apply to some places local to my workplace? One small consideration is that, if I don't enroll in a program for this fall, I will be forfeiting an internship at NASA JPL this summer. What do you guys suggest?

>>16021408
I know this is old but math is good, but you need to pair it with something. Depending what your interests are and what you took in undergrad you could do a masters in economics, finance, statistics, epidemiology, or CS. You could become a CFA or actuary. All are practical fields with good incomes. There's also education if nothing else. There's always a lack of good math teachers.

How is Indiana University for physics? They accepted me to their PhD program annd I can't really think of any good reasons to say no.

>>16047637
Start the free master's degree and do the paid JPL internship. I have no knowledge of national labs, but I don't think you want a technician roll.

I think I've done goofed. I've been talking to two professors about doing my thesis but I already decided to go with one but the other is really pushing me forward to go with him but I just want to say no. I'm afraid of severing my relationship with him. I really have to write him an e-mail before the next meeting, but I feel so bad for wasting everybody's time.

Is a masters in Biomedical engineering with a focus in tissue engineering and regenerative medicine with a bachelors in bio- and chemical engineering a valid study/career choice? I want to work in the medical field and pharma industry and hope to have the right or good qualifications for it.

>>16035383
Building acoustics?

>>16049213
BME is a meme degree. Tissue engineering is still far away from being refined enough to have a substantial and significant industry in the next 20 or 30 years, if that is exactly what you wanted to do. Either stick to chemical engineering and pursue a masters in the same field or consider changing to a more traditional focused engineering degree.

Did I completely fuck myself by doing a maths degree with a little computer science but being too stupid to get theoretical CS or Math PhD?

I did a masters degree in maths degree where I specialized in algebraic geometry, and 20% of the degree was CS: Two courses in algorithms, one in scientific computing, one in simulation, and one in computer architecture, so pretty broad.
Now that I want a PhD though, I feel kinda hopeless, because I'm too stupid for the competitive market that is math and theoretical CS, and I don't have qualifications for something like BioInformatics or the like. I only did the minimal amount of statistics as well...

So should I just give up on any attempts of careers in academia? I do want to get a PhD that involves maths and programming.

EU based btw

>be me
>come from a third world shithole
>go to top 30 uni with full ride scholarship for a STEM degree taught in a foreign language
>2.6 gpa, also did some cheating here and there cause uni lied about min language reqs for the degree
>degree is way too advanced to use it back home
>they main sources of employment come from the fact I speak that foreign language ie. translation
>get a job as a translator for the main management
>currently learning accounting and management principles
>get paid 20K USD a year after taxes pension and healthcare, room and board almost entirely provided by the company for free

What am I supposed to do now? I can get a 80m^2 apartment in thein 5 years time all cash payment, or I can go to the US for an MBA with no debt. I could also take chance of the talent visas for certain countries thanks to the uni prestige but I don't think I would be able to work as an engineer, my foundations are quite weak and the current experience I'm starting to aquire is anything but related to STEM. what would you guys do?

Which EE field are the least likely to get automated, least saturated, and will be clear in the near future?

>>16049486
Power, doesn't matter what it is, all the power engineers are old as shit and it's a field that in the next 5-10 years a lot of power engineers will be retiring. Keep in mind that going down this path will require a PE 9 times out of 10, but personally I really am happy I focused on power. It's pretty varied, you could be doing arc flash and coordination studies, doing transmission and distribution, harmonic studies, or everything depending if you go work for a large industrial facility with little power engineers. You could work with a private engineering firm, a corporation, or government. What I'd recommend is staying within the private sector if possible, working with a corporation that does govie contracts sucks ass. Think L3, Raytheon, Boeing, Northrop, utility companies, etc. If you can't find a private company to work for, then take the government adjacent jobs to get experience and then jump ship after you get that 401k match.

>>16049379
What EU country? Because in some countries you can study for free and then I would take some big stats courses to get you at least the foundational ball rolling.

>>16049423
What language was it taught in and 2.6 GPA, did you just dick down blondes during your time at uni wtf man?

>>16049586
>What language was it taught in
The program was taught in Mandarin so you can pretty much narrow it down to a single country and a handful of unis there
> 2.6 GPA, did you just dick down blondes during your time at uni wtf man?
I wished, also that's a C+ in my uni's system, no idea how it works elsewhere

>>16049486
I'm an EE and just yesterday got an offer for first job out of grad school at $139k and I might be getting an offer from Microsoft for more than that. Embedded. Learn hardware (verilog/vhdl) and how to use RTOS.

>>16049213
>>16049346
as meme as BME is i'm encountering a lot of zoomers who are choosing to study it anyways

It's been 10 months since graduating ME undergrad and I've gotten exactly 1 (one) interview. If I hit a full year I think I'm going to fall back on the systems admin shit I did for a few years right after high school.

>>16021329
One a scale of 1-10 how fucked am I with an associates degree in Biology without any internships, and the only work experience being in a Warehouse?

>>16049584
Yeah that's actually already my backup plan, if I don't find a PhD!

>>16049649
Is a masters or PhD necessary to advance career in EE? I was hoping to coast by on a bachelor. I don't wanna go back to school again after I graduate.

>>16049498
This nigga knows. Heed his advice EE bros.

>>16049379

Dude I have a very similiar background.
The issue is that in the EU, math+programming pays shit, unless you have a high enough IQ to go become a quant trader/developer.
Most simulation/numerical work is done by government institutes. Then you have some mega corps who also do some in-house stuff, but the pay is not great. Most of the good jobs in that sector are in the US.

How do you feel about computer architectures? There is currently a lot of hype about bespoke computer architectures, especially for deep learning applications. You can leverage that into a Ph.d and later a Post-doc or maybe end up working at Nvidia or something.

If you are not aiming for a very well known group at some elitist institute, a Ph.D is doable even if your grades are just average.

>>16049498
I graduated EE and bounced around for 2 years looking for something not shitty.
I finally started a power job and it's very comfy so far but I think it's more getting lucky than an typical reflection of the industry.
Downsides are that I get low pay and I'm technically a contractor with zero benefits and zero job security. Wait...isn't that why I did EE?
Wait, what?
Also
>You could work with a private engineering firm, a corporation, or government. What I'd recommend is staying within the private sector if possible, working with a corporation that does govie contracts sucks ass
>Think L3, Raytheon, Boeing, Northrop
Aren't their entire companies based on government contracts you retard?
>don't work for companies that does govie contracts
>work for the MIC big 4

>>16049793
Typically companies will start you off higher but depending on the field it might or might not be necessary. One thing that is true is that you will start at a higher salary than a bachelors. With embedded designs I think it would help. With power, it's worthless and you'd want to pursue a PE license since that's worth something.

>>16050482
>Aren't their entire companies based on government contracts you retard?
Yes, that's why I said to not do it unless it's a last resort to gain experience. Reading comprehension isn't my strong suit either.

Imagine not being a PE

>>16050665
Yeah I'm a PE

Pussy
Enjoyer

>>16049793
depends what you want to do. You will never get your foot in the door at intel, nvidia, amd, etc without a masters or phd unless you only want to do verification

>>16050659
>>16050706
Ok, in that case, can an online Masters be ok? I'm a thirdie, which means there are no reputable Masters programs for Machine Learning or robotics in my country. Which is why I was looking for some online ones.

>>16050789
A degree is a degree. For Americans, as long as its ABET accredited, it does not matter if it's online or not. For non-Americans, you'll have to do more research. On turd-world countries you're really rolling the dice, I have no idea especially when it comes to machine learning or robotics. I will say in the US, don't bother with ML unless you're getting a masters, most employers will throw your resume in the trash if you have a bsc for a ML degree.

>>16051001
No, my BSc. is in EE. And my university is ABET accredited and has a good reputation for research.
MY biggest worry is that I'll end up useless with no job here, becasue my country has no ML or robotics industry. My best bet is somehow to get a job abroad.

>>16050238
Yeah exactly!
I actually don't mind working for the government, but i'd much rather do mind stimulating and research oriented jobs, which are super competitive for a pure maths graduate...
I really enjoyed the one computer architecture course i took and i'll definitely look into doing more of it, and as you say its in high demand. A very real possibility!

Problem with the PhD is that i would prefer to stay in my city, but all the institutes here are pretty highly regarded. A curse in a blessing, so to speak.

i feel like CS is such waste of time and i kinda regret choosing it because i only because i liked a few courses. i now have to catch up all the math and physiscs that we don't do but it feels so useless since i'm not going to need it.

>Sophomore in computer engineering
>Interested in digital systems, VLSI, FPGAs, HDLs, etc.
>I need a graduate degree if I want an interesting job
>Investment in smaller, faster chips are producing diminishing returns and Moore's Law is leveling out
>Industry is contracting; companies are buying other companies
>Okay well the semiconductor industry is booming in the US, so I guess I'll take electives on semiconductors, transistors, and solid state devices
>I also need a graduate degree if I want to do interesting work related to semiconductors
>I have to also compete with Taiwanese engineers who are more knowledgeable
At this point I'm debating to take electives in computer and network systems while teaching myself programming on the side.

Is it really worth it to start college late? Like starting at 25? Especially if you plan to get a PhD?

I recently left my job because I couldn't take it anymore, and I've moved in with my parents again. I'm currently interviewing with a company and have been invited to the 2nd round of interviews which will take place at their office. The job is interesting, but I can't join the company before middle of August. That's 5 months and idk if I'm willing to wait that long. I've been invited to a couple more interviews with other companies as well, so maybe I should just gamble on them? I really want to start working ASAP.

Another idea is to just travel while I wait, but that feels like a waste of time and money as well.

>>16051818
>Another idea is to just travel while I wait, but that feels like a waste of time and money as well

Travel, when done right, is literally never a waste of time.

>>16051977
>Travel, when done right, is literally never a waste of time.
nta but how so? i see travel as a part of a greater goal
travelling as a hobby has never been of interest to me