/sci/ - Science & Math

301 successes for the falcon family

Launch the fucking rocket

>>16001083
First for fuck SRB pork barrel and fuck shelby

Humanity had a dream once
A dream of making planes to go to outer space, today that dream is still on chasing

>>16001117
Space planes are dumb, boom, there I said it. Shittle was a mistake

>>16001131
funny way of saying last gasp of the white man

musk getting old :(

>>16001131
Starship is a spaceplane

How many of you actually have at least a Tripoli or NAR level 1 certification? Is it easier to get certified if you actually work as an engineer at a rocket company?

Neat how Ingenuity completely invalidated the status quo for space probe design.
It used no rad-hardened components, an off the shelf phone processor more powerful than all space probe computers combined (yet over 1000x cheaper than the standard space probe computer), off the shelf lithium ion batteries, etc, and still performed 1440% of the flights it was planned to, only failing due to physically striking something, which would have failed a traditional probe design anyway.
It's time to expose the racket that is traditional probe design architecture and start pumping out $200k Mars rovers and so forth. Total Grifter Death.

>>16001148
No it fails the glide slope test

>>16001155
Isn't all that a big grift and you can sidestep it by building engines yourself?

>>16001155
I do and level 1 is trivial. it's model rockets with a slightly larger motor. you can make it from a kit in a day with no electronics.
level 2 is a little less trivial but you can still get away with kit rockets and no electronics.
level 3 is where you might actually benefit from an engineering background.

>>16001160
So did the shuttle my g

>>16001148
starshit is a shit trash can nothing more.

>>16001182
It is a cargo capsule and it will never be human rated

>>16001179
fuck you.

never making a cargo variant of the shuttle was the greatest failing of the program. minimal design overhauls could have given a super heavy lift vehicle with a per launch cost roughly 1/3 or saturn v. instead we had to end the program and bring it back as Frankenstein's monster SLS

>>16001169
>>16001162
yeah, the big certs are completely pointless because by the time you can pass the big one you can already build your own motors, which is the only thing they get you

>>16001138
SLS is Boeing's rocket and it is Boeing who wants to bid it in NSSL Phase 3.

https://aviationweek.com/aerospace/commercial-space/boeing-eyes-commercial-sls-bid-nssl-phase-3

>>16001145
Why does he wear that stupid bow tie

>>16001192
Space Force doesn't want that piece of overpriced trash. Soon they will have Starship and NG for big boys satelliites.

>SRB
anyone feel this way?

>>16001192
>le nro wants to use sls to counter china
what is this guy on because i want it too

>>16001225
personally I love building sized chunks of mixed oxidizer and fuel

What's problem with America???

>>16001227
>Marshall

spaceguy5?

>>16001254
Remember how air superiority changed warfare? Space superiority will do the same. "The ultimate high ground" they call it.

>>16001227
NASA is desperate to get someone else onboard with SLS to share the costs burden, but despite Anon's fever dream of NRO payloads, nobody's interested.

>>16001254
they're the only true space fairing country.
also this may be hard for you to grasp but 75 billion dollars a year just isn't that much for us

>almost february
>Still no IFT-3 news

Spx bros... Whats taking so long...

>>16001254
You could edit space for aircraft carrier and it would still be accurate lmfao

>>16001254
jobs programs
I wonder how much that would decrease if you cut out SLS and other makework programs

>>16001254
>What's problem with America???
We got cool shit

>>16001270
launchpad upgrades.
the rocket is ready to go. they've tested all the parts of it

>>16001269
remove Germany,add Thailand, bump up Spain and UK a bit and it's spot on

>>16001275
Just in case you want that in more pixels

>>16001254
>Still China has their own crewed spacecraft, spacion station, mars rover and will send people to the moon this century before the US, evn with a fraction of NASAs budget

Why does China mog amerimutts so bad?

>>16001227
The chance of this happening is exactly 0 percent. But that last part is interesting though. I don't doubt they are working on supersynchronous sats. Centaur V is supposedly able to direct inject after operating in space for a very long time.

>>16001202
its a rich people thing, you wouldn't get it.

>>16001083
>>16001117
>>16001148
>>16001270
>>16001305
So now we all know starship turned out to be a complete failure, they gonna cancel artemis. So whats next sfg bros?

>>16001322
get new bait, please

>>16001305
I'll respond in good faith even though you don't deserve it.

we have a lot of money in america. you could not even grasp it. we can afford to pay out the ass for the best of the best, and we get it. it's how we ended up with all 5 of the largest air forces on the planet. it's how we ended up with as many aircraft carriers as the next 3 nations combined. it's how we landed men on the moon.
you can do things that look on the surface similar to what we do for much less money. I won't pretend we get the best value for our dollar. but you can't do as well as we do.
so go ahead. have your inexpensive mir clone. have your 250 "5th generation" fighter jets (1000 f35s by the way) have your copy of apollo 70 years later. and we will continue to have the cutting edge at the exorbitant prices that honestly we just aren't that bothered by

>>16001333
this is not acceptable, we need to get back to our roots and make things dirt fucking cheap AND better than everybody else
we need to conquer the world again

>>16001305
Do tell us what China has spent on its Lunar program.

>>16001254
NASAs budget is only 25 billion, wheres the rest going? space force?

>>16001322
>15 launches

>>16001347
FY2024 Space Force budget is $30 billion, which still leaves us about $20 billion short.

>>16001352
private sector? NOAA?

>>16001353
CNBC reports $12.5 billion was raised for the space sector in 2023 and I'm not sure that's even limited to the United States. NOAA's budget request was $6.8 billion, and that does seem to add up to the chart values.

>>16001353
space spending could possibly include tribute payments to space-based ayys

>>16001333
>We spend a lot of money on things that china could do much cheaper and faster and im proud of it

Why are ameriniggers so stupid?

>>16001406
see
>>16001346

what does /sfg/ think of operation avalanche?

I liked it. I thought it was entertaining enough and presented one of the few ways the moon landing could have been faked that holds up to any scrutiny whatsoever

>>16001408
the moon landing? there were several

>>16001411
and the movie ends ambiguously shortly after apollo 11, what's your point?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxlV8tNBSSs
> SpaceX Revving Up for Starship Flight 3: | Starbase Update

>>16001408
I think youre a fat nigger for bringing it up

>>16001322
A. First launch of Orion and SLS with crew
B. First flight test of Orion ECLSS with crew
C. First human spaceflight launch from LC-39B since STS-116
D. First potential use of LC-39B Emergency Pad Abort baskets
E. First in space approach and maneuvers of Orion in proximity with another space vehicle (ICPS)
F. First operational use of the Orion Crew Survival System (OCSS) IVA suit.
G. First NASA crewed TLI burn in 50+ years
H. First woman sent to deep space
I. First use of Orion communications and O2O system between NASA and crew
J. First crewed flyby of the Moon in 50 years
K. First reentry of Orion with crew onboard
L. First test of newly revised heat shield
M. First test of Orion parachute deploy with crew
N. First test of Orion/NASA/US Navy recovery efforts and procedures

>>16001083
It must be damp.

>>16001202
It's called a tuxedo

>>16001333
> "We"
Is this how you mentally cope with your scam country being run by 12 mafias who loot the public purse

>>16001457
Always has been, say we for thing you like, mentally block out all reprehensible shit also done under that umbrella to cope with being a fag.

Cancel MSR

My and my homies about to mogg a carbon based boy

>>16001473

>>16001415
>Ship 28 and booster 10 are about to be moved to the launch site
>launch could happen as early as mid February

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIrX6gpUxyw
> Tragic Final Flight Of NASA's Martian Helicopter - Stranded in Neretva Vallis

>>16001481
good summary of the Ingenuity program

>>16001470
>its a jeet
good morning sirs. fuck ukraine

>>16001157
Maybe if we had starship to launch a bunch of them or space based manufacturing, otherwise you've just wasted one launch on something that has a higher chance of failure.

>>16001493
Test starships to Mars better have piles of cheap rover designs to test on the surface and study best colonization methods

>>16001352
NRO plus some incidentals. KH-11s and Orion sigint birds aren't cheap.

https://twitter.com/esherifftv/status/1752044778705862943

Chinese copying Starship

>>16001189
Daily reminder that the shuttle's 110 tons counts as payload to LEO, as it has for every other space vehicle in history.

>>16001502
Oh yeah definitely, but knowing musk the first one will have a cybertruck driven by an optimus bot on it and it'll get about 5 foot before the batteries explode or the bot drives it into a rock.

>>16001517
Bleesed

>>16001507
I watched this live. that guy is such a clown and most likely some kind of shill as well.

>faster than most shitty London internet
bros i finally have somewhat decent internet

>>16001179
Nope shuttle passes easily, Starship doesn't get close.

>>16001254
Probably they care about remaining undefeatable

>>16001413
the point being that moon landing denial is retarded?

>>16001550
wrong

>>16001560
have you seen the movie?

>>16001473
>silicon based life form bites me
>it instantly receives horrific full-depth chemical burns while catching on fire and fucking dies
>I get a neat scar
lol

>>16001550
The flying brick does? Ok my g

>>16001493
No proof of increased chance of failure using non-space-rated hardware.

>>16001517
Anyone who has ever counted upper stage residual mass and/or upper stage dry mass in payload-to-orbit figures has been incorrect to do so.

>>16001567
kinda silly to assume that silicon based life will be made from hydrosilanes

>>16001522
musk derangement syndrome

>>16001576
shut the fuck up pig.

>>16001580
good think they're not counting the SLET

remember when we used to make fun of oldspace and Shelbypost and stuff instead of regurgitate their lies?
yeah, good times, good times

>>16001563
Starship cannot glide. It's not a spaceplane.
Shuttle could glide. It was a spaceplane. It is now a museum piece.

>>16001580
would you say that falcon 9 only has a payload of 3.5 tons because that's all you can fit inside a cargo dragon? of course not. you count the whole mass of the cargo dragon, engines and fuel and structure and shit.
that's what what shuttle was. with the first stage engines and some of the plumbing bolted on

>>16001589
calling what Shuttle did "gliding" is extremely generous, I would go so far as to say disingenuous

>>16001591
you would say that Falcon 9/Dragon has a pressurized payload maximum of 3.5 tons, just like you would say that the STS has a cargo capacity of 20 tons or whatever

>>16001592
hes a schizo dude, leave it

>>16001564
No need. Apollo 11 landing on the Moon is undeniable, we have the photos from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter. Whether or not it is possible to construct a conspiracy theory that the landing may have been faked is irrelevant, because we've gone and checked and there is a lunar module descent stage surrounded by footprint tracks which exactly match the Apollo 11 footage sitting at Tranquility Base.

>>16001596
>nooooo don't prove me wrong noooo you can't counter my arguments noooo stop
no

>>16001573
The flying brick could glide, yes. Starship physically cannot glide, it lacks the ability to aerodynamically control its attitude in anything but the bellyflop heading, which has a lift to drag ratio far less than 1.

>>16001595
exactly. thats the cargo you can fit in the orbiter. but the orbiter itself is a payload on the rocket. a mandatory one but a payload none the less. like dragon but more capable because it has an airlock and a robotic arm and is much larger with more capacity.

>>16001581
Kinda silly to assume I'm talking about hydrosilanes

>>16001605
You can glide without actually controlling where you land
>>16001602
Quit it schizo

>>16001591
Dragon has a maximum payload of 3.5 tonnes, just like Shuttle had a maximum payload of 29 tonnes, yes glad we could clear that up.
Falcon 9 isn't Dragon. Unfortunately for Shuttle, the shuttle stack isn't a separate vehicle from the orbiter, so the orbiter's payload is the whole stack's payload, ie 29 tonnes.
Don't blame me, blame NASA for not building shuttle-C.

>>16001614
please enlighten me
>>16001609
>>16001622
reusable rockets fuck up the metrics bad because things aren't as neatly contained, I'm going to play video games instead of thinking about how gay the space shuttle was
We don't count the dry mass of Starship in its payload to orbit, no matter how useful it is once it's on orbit
>>16001605
>>16001619
60 degrees AoA

>>16001254
Space Victory

>>16001592
Shuttle had a shitty glide slope, but it could glide. Doesn't matter what you think, it would glide to a runway landing.
Starship cannot glide. It's not a spaceplane.

>>16001628
okay, so you're prejudiced against Starship because it doesn't do a runway landing
I'm glad we cleared that up

>>16001609
Shuttle isn't a payload of the rocket, shuttle IS the rocket, and its payload is 29T

>>16001529
I suspected he was a shill. What makes him a clown too? Does he have a red nose

>>16001619
Starship can't glide. It won't glide during reentry anymore than Apollo was gliding when it used an offset center of mass to shunt air to one side and allow it to control its downrange landing point somewhat.

>>16001641
it will glide during reentry just as much as Shuttle did

>>16001622
>>16001634
if dragon brought the 9 sea level merlins with it to the ISS would you stop counting dragon itself as the payload on falcon 9? we can split hairs about the rs25s and their plumbing but the rest of the orbiter is undeniably payload mass

>>16001630
Starship isn't a spaceplane because it cannot glide. It's nothing like a plane in any aspect.

>>16001645
you are in denial

>>16001148
This.

>>16001643
Shuttle didn't glide during entry. It bellyflopped. The difference is that Shuttle transitioned to a horizontal glide after entry, then landed on a runway. Meanwhile Starship stays bellyflopping all the way down, because it's incapable of gliding, because it has no wings or fins or control surfaces to allow it to point into the air stream.

>>16001650
it has four fins, and all four are control surfaces

>>16001644
I don't care if the entire fucking stack goes to orbit, it's not payload. No amount of first stage engines attached to the orbiter segment of a launch vehicle will make it a payload.

>>16001653
This man is correct, it doesn't matter how shit you make your architecture, how much crap you attach to your upper stage or orbiter segment, it still won't count as payload

>>16001648
I am denying and refuting your bullshit arguments, sure.

>>16001658
next comes anger

>>16001651
None of them allow control with a heading of less than ~60 degrees AoA, which means a glide slope of 1:1 or better is impossible for Starship, which means it cannot glide, which means it is not a spaceplane.

>>16001660
You'll need to try harder.

>>16001591
no you would say falcon 9 + dragon has a payload of 3.5 tonnes
falcon 9 can be launched without dragon, and that will have different payloads
can the shuttle be launched without the orbiter? the orbiter is not payload if its mandatory, its an extension of the launch vehicle just like a spacetug or kick stage or whatever would be
just a very shit one in this case

>>16001653

It's clear to everyone who knows anything about aerodynamics that Starship is not a spaceplane. Starship is a totally new archetype of vehicle. It reenters more like a capsule than a spaceplane, it uses large aerobrakes to control its attitude and body shunting for a small amount of lift while maximizing drag, and it couldn't be flown like a plane if you tried.

>>16001644
if falcon 9 would not be able to launch in any other configuration than the dragon, then yes
but it can, the shuttle can't
its that simple
a pure cargo version of the shuttle would have had a higher payload, but that would still not mean the modified stage that is the orbiter and would be something else in the modified cargo version is still not payload
its carrying payload or getting it to its orbit
a kickstage is not payload

>>16001670
No.
As before, Dragon has a payload mass of 3.5 tonnes, and launches on Falcon 9, a different vehicle.
Shuttle has a payload of 29 tonnes, and IS the launch vehicle, so there IS NO 110 tonne capacity rocket to look at. There is only Shuttle's payload to consider. Parts of the launcher are never payload under any circumstance.

>>16001655
this, the absolute state of shuttle apologists

>>16001677
When will they learn?

Feels good to btfo a shittle fag first thing after returning to sfg

>>16001684
k

>>16001670
Wow! Spacex should try putting doors on their rockets too!

>>16001675
>>16001676
I get it. most other launch vehicles don't have a space station built in. but saying the useful space on the orbiter is not payload mass is like saying mercury redstone had a payload of 0 because it always carried the capsule, which somehow isn't payload

wasnt everyone saying that IFT-3 would be happening by now? what went wrong?

>>16001691
mercury redstone had zero orbital payload, and it had a payload of one asshole in a flight suit

>>16001705
two weeks

>>16001705

>>16001705
FAA has the investigation report. So its up to them to approve of it.

>>16001706
orbital shmorbital. not the point. the whole capsule got launched so people count the whole capsule. nobody says it had a payload mass of 130lbs or whatever alan shepard weighed

>>16001705
Last I checked, right now isn't "sometime in February"

>>16001711
Trump approved artemis

Have you disgusting fake smart people done what I told you? Have you written on your mirrors a "red line" for when you will abandon your cult leader Elon Musk? 5 failed Starship launches? 10? How about 10 years behind schedule for Mars? 20 years behind schedule?

How many of his lies will you eat like literal shit sandwiches before you stop? No Seriously I need to know and so do you. Meditate on this REAL ISSUE and WRITE IT DOWN. Hold yourselves accountable. Don't just be mindless cultists who constantly move the goal posts when your faggot ass fake autistic cunt leader fails to deliver time and time again.

Elon is The Great Filter but he couldn't have achieved that lofty goal without his acolytes clapping like brain dead seals as rockets explode. You're why we can't have nice things.

PS, I hate your guts
Love
Sky Hook Chan

>>16001254
>What's problem with America???
America doesn't spend enough on space

>>16001730
irrelevant

>>16001732
Damn that's crazy

>>16001305
>captura-de-pantalla

>>16001580
Anything that comes back down from orbit again is payload.

>>16001473
You and your homies are muffins?!

>>16001691
Mercury didn't go to orbit.
Shuttle isn't a payload, it is a vehicle with a payload limit of 29 tonnes.

>>16001715
You are grasping at straws, it is grotesque to see

Is Starship a payload?

>>16001753
YES IT IS IM FUCKING RETADRED THATS WHY I THINK IT

>>16001732
Sky hooks won't reduce launch costs btw

>>16001744
No. Anything launched to orbit which is not a part of the launch vehicle and is not a portion of its residual propellant is payload.
Buran was an Energia payload. Shuttle was a launch vehicle.

>>16001753
not if it's just dropping off starlinks, yes if it has crew and stays in orbit with them. I could accept arguments that the raptors and fuel tank mass don't count, just like I could accept that the rs25s don't count.
if shuttle kept the orange tank I would be willing to accept that that isn't payload either. the vast majority of the orbiter is clearly sts payload mass

>>16001753
Of course not, it is a vehicle :)

>>16001757
The orbiter is not a payload. Starship is not a payload. Launch vehicle components are not payloads. If Starship were launched to orbit to act as a space station, its payload would be the station supplies it packed with it. SpaceX would state that Starship is going to orbit for an extended stay and is carrying X tonnes of support and supplies payload, just like how they describe the payload mass a Dragon carries to the ISS.

>>16001730
Thank God for Donald Trump

>>16001732
You need help

>>16001705
Their predictions were what went wrong, anon.

>>16001732
Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done.

>>16001732
Starship has never failed a launch. Only Starship prototypes have ever failed, most during test flights and some in ground testing. I know this can get a bit confusing sweetie, we're here for you.

>>16001730
Trump gave NASA retarded timeline causing all those delays.

>>16001756
would buran stop being a payload if it helped energia get up to speed?

>>16001753
Mini Starship could be

>>16001771
It would be a payload if Energia ran out of propellant before taking Buran to orbit and Buran had to finalize the orbit on its own.

>>16001777
Wouldn't*

>>16001777
Trips confirm

>>16001777
So, Buran was a space plane?

>>16001756
?

>>16001770
You can give NASA any timeline you want, delays are inevitable.

>>16001322
This is clearly a scam
While I don't think the USG will ever do anything to Musk, they will know better than to blindly trust him at every turn.
SpaceX peaks at Falcon Heavy, just like how NVIDIA has peaked already with the AI bubble popping.
Enjoy the Falcon success, that's all you're getting with SpaceX.

>>16001791
ok retard

Defund NASA

>>16001794

>>16001795
>drop ICBMs on niggers
uh based

>>16001795
give it to me and I will spend it more wisely

>>16001732
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1752098683024220632

look at what this scammer is doing, he can't keep getting away with it

>>16001802
how is elon posting from the future?

>>16001802
You forgot to post the scammer.

>>16001802
This is pretty insane news to drop with a random Elon tweet
Very cool

Have we had any big space news lately? Anything really weird? Anything related to technosigantures get anywhere?

>>16001795
you misspelled "black underclass and criminal foreign invaders". >>>/pol/
>>16001798
Unironically true.

Although, a lot of "NASA" budget isn't even desired by NASA. It's Congress. *They* want the boondoggles. NASA is mostly nerds who actually have pretty-decent instincts as to what's interesting and affordable. Like: asteroid missions, nuclear-powered runs to Uranus, maybe a space colony on Deimos.
But not the fucking sample return from Mars. That's all on Congress.

>>16001795
Give the poor to NASA

We lost the technology...

>>16001808
Schizodrive test any month now

>>16001826
Good

>>16001802
https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1752108536857788773
1min video about what they are trying to do at first

https://neuralink.com/blog/understanding-preclinical-research-at-neuralink/

>>16001117

really makes you think

>>16001770
ask yourself: would we have seen as much progress by 2024 if the retarded mandate had not been made?

>>16001848
Yup, bagging on the Shuttle orbiter as dry mass ignores that even with an empty clamshell bay the Shuttle could do useful missions, whether that was crew stuff in the cabin or Hubble repair or pulling something into the bay for retrieval.

>>16001839
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7o39CzHgug

>>16001848
>total payload capacity: 18 tonnes
Dragon has a 3.5 tonne capacity actually. Hope that helps!

>>16001826
could you imagine, the blow this would be to humanity. if we just kept trying to build rockets and just couldn't get them to go up consistently

>>16001858
lmao get fact checked

>>16001853
Usefulness does not make something a payload. If you think people are saying Shuttle was dead weight because it wasn't a payload, you're a gay retard. Shuttle wasn't a payload because it was a launch vehicle. Shuttle carried payload, and it also did things. It's not a payload.

Earth's moon is escaping by roughly an inch per year. We can counter this with a really long chain tying the moon and Earth together, which can also be climbed for easy lunar access. There are no reasons not to do this except cowardice.

>>16001848
Wait, for real though, why can the Shuttle stack launch a whole orbiter into LEO but SLS's fat ass can barely do Orion

>>16001866
Declining quality of education in favor of spectacle

>>16001862
the orbiter was not the launch vehicle. the orbiter had the main engines on it, but it wasn't an orbital rocket without the orange tank and the SRBs. that full combination was the launch vehicle. the engines were bolted onto the orbiter because it was a convenient place to put them if you wanted to get them back. every other part of the orbiter was payload. just like every part of dragon is falcon payload and every part of cygnus is antares payload

>>16001866
Orion is well below what SLS can deliver to LEO even in the Block I that is handicapped by the Delta second stage.

The Shuttle was extremely limited with anything beyond LEO, requiring a solid kick stage to push anything further.

>>16001878
Adding to what this anon said the Shuttle had no second stage, the EUS alone weights nearly 300,000lb fully fueled.

>>16001892
Is Lore gonna convince this one to attack a colony again?

>>16001892
total silly cone death

If you replace Orion with a crew rated dream chaser, the whole of artemis becomes based

>>16001928
Kill yourself stupid nigger bitch

>>16001892
>>16001894
Look I KNOW I can't eat it, I still wanna shoot it

>>16001878
Dragon is a Falcon payload because it is NOT a part of the launch vehicle.
Shuttle was an integral part of the launch vehicle, hence NOT a payload.

based or cringe?
https://twitter.com/robert_zubrin/status/1751715165467214281
quick. call it.

>>16001961
gay
the mars anthem should be a techno song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t0kO-mFLfQ

>>16001965
Darude sandstorm

>>16001961
kinda cringe, i like the lyrics they're very inspiring but i need to hear an orchestra behind it to get the full picture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR8XrwBMWM4
Mars will belong to cutthroats, privateers, outlaws, and pirates.

how will space force defeat iran's satellites now that war is just days away?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/as-tensions-rise-iran-launches-3-satellites-that-are-part-of-a-program-criticized-by-the-west

>>16001839
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1752118131579867417

>>16001994
wow

>>16001991
Most of Iran's satellites weigh in at about 50 kg. They only have three over 100 kg. What's there that needs defeating?

>>16001991

>>16001598
Uhh ok nigger. You gonna tell me we didn’t really leave matt damon on mars next? You gonna tell me matthew mcconaughey didn’t really go through a wormhole to another solar system? It’s just a movie. It’s just for fun.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/01/daily-telescope-seeing-interstellar-dust-by-the-light-of-our-galaxys-stars/

>>16001083
Nuclear propulsion when?

Global Room-Temperature Superconductivity in Graphite", peer reviewed and published in Applied Quantum Materials, presents strong evidence for T=300K superconductivity in cleaved, highly oriented pyrolytic graphite, with an underlying physical theory. Check out the data (1/4):

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/01/now-that-weve-flown-on-mars-what-comes-next-in-aerial-planetary-exploration/
> In another, arguably more important way, Ingenuity may forever change the way NASA, other space agencies, and eventually private companies explore and settle the Solar System. The program did so by using commercial, off-the-shelf parts.
>The scientists and engineers who built the helicopter had no choice. Flying on Mars is incredibly demanding. The air is so thin it is equivalent to flying at an elevation of 80,000 feet on Earth, or three times higher than the peak of Mount Everest. Helicopters on Earth can max out at an altitude of about 25,000 feet before the air is too thin to support the rotation of their blades. So to meet the demands of Mars, Ingenuity's designers had to be ruthless in their choices. They could not afford the mass of radiation-hardened components, like for batteries and computers.
>So they bought commercially available parts and rolled the dice—with astonishing results. Many NASA missions will never be the same.

COTS wins once again, space is hard mass autists BTFO

>>16002017
It's a meme

>>16002017
The DRACO demo is NET 2027, launching on a Vulcan.

>>16002013
I have other ways to have fun.

>>16002013
feeling . . . a little upset?

>>16002017
Once we have a method of doing it which actually out performs chemical rockets

>>16001878
>the Orbiter was not a launch vehicle, it just had the main engines that carried it from the ground to orbit

>>16001928
Dreamchaser's heat shield cannot handle Lunar return velocities.

>>16002030
just slow down first

>>16002013
It's funny how Starship undermines the setting of an Astronaut stuck on Mars because launch cadance is so low.

>>16002030
Activate the QI drive to scrub off velocity to Earth reentry velocity, easy

>>16002031
With what?

>>16002036
In fact, scrub even that velocity off and just have it drop down over Florida like a feather falling from the cosmos, would be kino.

>>16002019
Hold on, doesn't this mean we can make super high-altitude helicopters here on Earth by just making the blades really big?

>>16001795
use poor people as propellant
they can be converted to methalox

>>16001994
>Imagine if Stephen Hawking could communicate faster than a speed typist or auctioneer.
>Stephen William Hawking (8 January 1942 – 14 March 2018)
Neuralink will allow us to communicate with the dead

JUST FUCK STARSHIP FUCK SLS FUCK ARTEMIS
GRAB FALCON HEAVY AND GO TO THE FUCKING MOON TOMMOROW

>>16002022
Big if true

Wasn't there an anon who was wondering how a simple metal plate for the QI drive could block unruh radiation or something anyways
>Quantized inertia predicts that a new kind of propulsion can be achieved by energizing the vacuum and making gradients in it using synthetic 'horizons' (conductive materials)

>>16002053
maybe, mars has much lower gravity
not sure about the exact relationship for max height (g vs air pressure)

>>16002053
a mars rover just flew over my house!

>>16002068
Yeah that was me. I still don't understand but at least "energising the vacuum" means there's more going on than a simple plate.
I hope it works.

>>16002089
I guess the plate is to make a synthetic horizon, idk I don't understand it well either, I don't think it will work, but the fact that they measured thrust in vacuum in a lab setup is interesting

>>16002019
> The RAD750, introduced in 2001, is based on 1990s technology. The modern Qualcomm processor was designed for performance and has the benefit of 20 years of advancement in microprocessor technology. In addition to being orders of magnitudes cheaper—the RAD750 costs about a quarter of a million dollars, while the Qualcomm processor goes into inexpensive mobile phones—the newer chip has bucketloads of more performance.
lol

>>16002096
>the RAD750 costs about a quarter of a million dollars
Why? If I'm selling lemonade but I charge $30,000 a glass nobody's gonna buy my damned sugar water. Why are they like that?

>>16002096

>>16002099
government bureaucrats being extremely risk averse and also congress funneling money into special interests
there is no competition

>>16002099
Grift

>>16002099
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAD750
>The RAD750 is a radiation-hardened single-board computer manufactured by BAE Systems Electronics, Intelligence & Support. The successor of the RAD6000, the RAD750 is for use in high-radiation environments experienced on board satellites and spacecraft.
>The CPU can withstand an absorbed radiation dose of 2,000 to 10,000 grays (200,000 to 1,000,000 rads), temperatures between −55 °C and 125 °C, and requires 5 watts of power. The standard RAD750 single-board system (CPU and motherboard) can withstand 1,000 grays (100,000 rads), temperatures between −55 °C and 70 °C, and requires 10 watts of power.

One is a specialty processor designed for spaceflight operations and that other is used in smartphones. Batch size alone would justify most of the price difference even before you get into the technical specs.

https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4732/1

>>16002109
>specialty processor designed for spaceflight operations
otherwise know as massive grift. did you notice the off the shelf processor lasted half a decade without issues?

>>16002118
How can someone post on /sfg/ and still be too dumb to get how economies of scale work?

>>16002129
I get how they work, and that’s why I think you should capitalize on them buy buying the cheap mass produced option that does the same job.

>>16002131
good for Mars at least but probably not lunar surface, outer planets etc, maybe Titan?

>>16002131
or the very least use something derived from the commercial option lightly modified so it enjoys the economies of scale of the commercial option
but looks like even that isn't really necessary

>>16001862
The S-II stage was a payload. It ignited before the S-II reached orbital altitude (or velocity, smartass).

The Shuttle also ignited before it reached orbital altitude.

> Of more immediate use to some, is a way of extracting tax money for research, and in that measure of usefulness, dark matter has the advantage because the search can go on for an entire career.

lmoaa

>>16002134
voting computers and a little bit of lead foil. the days of crappy mass autism radiation resistant boutique components are over

>>16002147
>voting computers
Can I put my mom's brain in there?

>fully reusable
>Steel
>Space plane upper stage
This motherfucker had starship all figured out decades before truly a one of a kind

>>16001810
planetary science decadal has been demanding msr, it's nasa's fault completely for complexifying it so much that it's an unpalettable failure

https://web.archive.org/web/20131203204735/http://www.aviationweek.com/Blogs.aspx?plckBlogId=Blog%3A04ce340e-4b63-4d23-9695-d49ab661f385&plckPostId=Blog%3A04ce340e-4b63-4d23-9695-d49ab661f385Post%3Aa8b87703-93f9-4cdf-885f-9429605e14df

>Q: So, these flight computers on Dragon – there are three on board, and that's for redundancy?
>A: There are actually six computers. They operate in pairs, so there are three computer units, each of which have two computers checking on each other.

>Q: But there's nothing on the spacecraft in the way of radiation-hardened parts?
>A: The parts aren't hardened, the design as a total system is hardened. What it is is each part does not go through the screening that is typical of radiation hardened parts.

>Q: What's the downside to buying radiation-hardened hardware or software? Is it expensive, or just not widely available?
>A: It's really not the expense that drives it. We're committed to having the best possible parts in all of our designs.
>And what really is more important to us than the cost of the parts is the capability of the parts –
>how much power do they use, how much memory do they hold, how much do they process, and how physically big are they.
>That's the first thing.

spacex is already well aware of the scam that is rad hardening. sorry about that link by the way

>>16002030
not my problem

>>16002176
all space rated hardware is a scam like this

>>16002180
Yeah, bro just go with a shit ton of food that Is going to rot or add weight to the payload, space rated food is a scam bro

>>16002139
the S-II stage was not a payload, it was a stage.

>>16001227
>GEO to GEO ASAT
I'm so fucking erect right now. Are there any knowers here who can fill me in on this glowie shit?

>>16002174
it's JPL's fault

>>16002183
I wonder how much the NASA space rated(tm) astronaut mashed potato flakes cost compared to the exact same thing from Bass Pro.

>>16002183
you're a retard and you should leave

>>16002202
Jpl killed ingenuity

>>16002206
I was here before you fuck you

>>16002212
you've been here since december 2018? you should have left long ago.

>get job working on space stuff
>makes me want to kms

>>16002215
Hey, don't mess with me brotha i made this place kneel

>>16002222
Damage the O-rings intentionally, disgruntled employee.

Human rated arca space

>>16001225
>manned SRBs

>>16002183
are you retarded? non-space rated long shelf life food exists and mass autism is retarded

>>16002225
On that note...
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1988-08-26-mn-1171-story.html

Furthermore, why didn't the subcontractor who actually manufactured those o rings ever, through all of 1985 and before the Challenger launch, say to Thiokol and NASA, "hey, since o rings don't work worth a damn in the cold, we do not recommend using our product below 53 degrees"

>>16002239
>are you retarded?

>>16002224
your accomplishments are dust. I killed the asukafag.

>>16002255
Then its personal you dingbat

>>16001100
fuck that tumor shelby

>>16002231
I'd ride one, imagine how badass you'd feel riding an ICBM to space.

>>16002183
>space rated food is a scam bro
This absolute fool has never even HEARD of Steve1989MREinfo.
Point at him and laugh.

>>16002053
I suspect that a chopper optimized for 80k' would have issues near sea-level

>>16002267
the helicopter altitude record was set in 1972. it can't be that hard to beat.

>>16002261
You could put a Mercury capsule on top of a Minotaur IV and still have plenty of payload to spare.

>>16002277
Imagine how rad that'd be, I'd even ride that out to the moon and back if it were capable.
>"oooh you're stuck in your seat for a week, who could take such a strain?"
Me. I can take it. Happily.

>>16002242
They did and the engineers knew and told the administrators multiple times but they ignored them and launched anyway

>>16002278
We never should have retired Mercury. The Soviets got so much mileage out of repurposing their old Vostok designs some of them are still flying today. A single-seat capsule would weigh less than 2000 kg so it could be lifted by even the more ambitious small launchers and could be used for actual orbital tourism or zero-g synthesis and return.

i am making a game

>>16002290
what is it about?

>>16002269
>42500' altitude record for a helicopter
80000 is a lot higher up bruh. You could maybe, MAYBE get a little RC toy like ingenuity up there, but a helicopter that could carry any usable payload would have enormous blades whit tips going Mach Jesus. Reminded that Ingenuity had a blade span of ~4' and weighed 3lbs

>>16002290
>Swift
cringe

>>16002292
stuff
just started a week ago
>>16002307
its not swift doe

>>16002311
Looks cool
>its not swift doe
wait what is it then

>>16002315
godot

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1752197280474513600

>>16001083
It's so cool to see the SRBs like this. You never get to see it.

>>16002334

>>16002335

>>16002332
>1.9k replies
why are rightoids so hostile to the moon landings and space in general?

>>16002343
>Why are rightoids
They aren't. Your schizophenic imagined enemy that exists solely in your head is.

>>16002311
Oh that's fucking neato burrito, keep going anon

>>16002347
lol yes they are
the moon landing deniers and flat earthers are all part of the schizo right that thinks everything is a conspiracy

>>16002350
A few points
>Calling it a conspiracy theory doesn't automatically disprove it
>You don't know the political affiliations of the people who don't believe it
Stop trying to gaslight the thread into believing your bullshit.

>>16002351
yeah bro we all know that flerfs are actually leftist

>>16002343
Also applies to leftoids.

>>16002353
Actually from what I've seen it seems to be quite apolitical even if /pol/ has a lot of schizo conspiracy theorists
I don't think you can make the deduction that flerfers are right-wing just because /pol/ is mainly right wing and has some flerfers

>>16002354
the difference is that they don't deny the science about it

>>16002354
This always makes me kek. $8 a day in the 60s/70s to feed a niglet? Bitch please that was a whole fucking basket of groceries back then.

>>16002356
being schizophrenic is right wing

>>16002356
>even if /pol/ has a lot of schizo conspiracy theorists

Is this your first day in the internet? The overwhelming majority of those are well poisoners, either real glowniggers or their bots. They don't like people talking about real, genuine conspiracy theories so they unload a bunch of spastic bullshit like flat earth and religious walls of text into their camp to discredit anything they talk about.

>>16002356
>Actually from what I've seen it seems to be quite apolitical
Horseshit

>>16002176
I mean, I don't make space shit, but we rad harden all of our computers and that amounts to the design of the shell, not the actual internal components themselves (except for a nuke circuit). thermals are the main limiter. also I question the reliability of high performance parts meeting real time software goals, they are absolutely riddled with hacks to make them as fast as possible in the >99% case with no regard for the <1%.

>>16002362
yes, but that is kind of irrelevant to my point

>>16002343
They are hostile to The Narrative (because a lot of it is false) and since a lot of them are too stupid to evaluate claims themselves they default to thinking everything said by the media and state institutions is false. Lefties do the opposite and think everything is true. This is equally if not more retarded

>>16002390
leftists also don't like the establishment
you are confusing them with the neoliberals, who are the establishment bootlickers

>>16001802
Never forget.
https://globalnews.ca/news/9328626/elon-musk-neuralink-animal-deaths-federal-probe/

>>16002027
Well I have great news for you then anon.

>>16002392
No, leftists pretend to dislike the establishment because that's important to their self-conception as rebels but they agree with the establishment on everything, except foreign policy sometimes

>>16002398
>sometimes
the left has always been anti-war
again, you are confusing them with neo libs, who aren't the same even though its convenient to bunch them together

>>16002402
>the left has always been anti-war
nope, not when its war on whites, they were massively gung ho over the balkan conflict and they're the only ones who care even slightly about ukraine

>>16002392
>leftists also don't like the establishment
the entire academic establishment is massively leftist as is the media establishment, hollywood and most of the federal bureaucracy.

Touch

>>16002409
im talking about the American left,
and they are actually pro Russia in this case lol
and it gets even more confusing when you hear about so-called "MAGA" community or nazbols
by "anti-war" I mean more like anti-American intervention in any conflict
>>16002412
if that's true, then why don't we have universal healthcare or other aspects of a socialized economy? If you have a capitalist system in place, then you are still not left-wing, even if you are progressive in social values.

>>16002414
ok you're retarded
goodnight
america is a communist country btw

>>16002153
Naoko was a crazy bitch.

>>16002425
If Biden is a communist, then what does that make Bernie? A super communist? What about the CPUSA? Are they super DUPER communists?

>>16002431
yeah

>>16002432
so using this logic, republicans are liberals and trump is a center-right moderate looool

>>16002433
that's pretty accurate

>>16002433
why a moderate? why not go far right?

>>16002433
Trump is a nineties democrat

>>16002438
would a '90s Democrat have people storm the capitol for them?

>>16002201
There is a rumor that part of the push for LEO swarms and cheaper launch was that the Russians had placed exploding suicide sats next to many of our big birds in MEO, HEO, and GEO to be detonated the minute a war started. GPS, nuclear detection, launch monitoring, comms, battlefield imaging, etc. That's why they were so disproportionately shitter shattered when Starlink nerds were able to push patches to slice through battlefield jamming, they have no corresponding ASAT capability. GEO to GEO ASAT would need SLS because you'd need a single turboclassified launch to put a BIG FUCKING KILLSAT armed with missiles or megawatt lasers directly inserted into GEO to either countersnipe those hajjisats or directly target Russian or Chinese military GEO birds.

>>16002442
Police opening the doors and escorting a bunch of retarded boomers around is not "storming the capitol". Just fuck off already.

>>16002444
would these retarded boomers believe in the moon landing?

>>16002442
Bill Clinton pardoned a Jewish terrorist who set a bomb at the Capitol in the 80s so yeah.

>Rosenberg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg

>>16002449
Clinton W
just like how he canceled the lunar outpost program

>>16002451
kys mudfoot

>>16002452
i never watched Fat Albert

>>16002442
That never happened so we will never know.

>>16001994
This is good because now Christian hackers can insert feelings of religiosity into scientists' brains and bring them back to Christ ^w^

>>16002480
Neuralink is currently an output-only system.

>>16002513
The input is the targeted content, silly ^_~

Goos night

>>16002534

>>16002414
>universal healthcare or other aspects of a socialized economy?
That shit is just window dressing. Elite leftists have never cared about the so-called People.

>>16001802
https://youtu.be/G70S5fumHso

>>16001866
SLS's fat ass is launching an entire upper stage to GTO in addition to Orion

>>16002170
too many stages, too much hypergolics, the guidance, control and heat shielding wasn't there yet
but yeah, TSTO fully reusable architectures are the meta for Earth, VTVL is a proven technology now so you can just use that for your first stage and do boostback
>>16002311
>calling it Terra
godspeed

>>16001770
Delays are just how NASA is, no president can touch that

>>16002513
Neuralink would be ludicrously useful tool if it stayed that way
but we're inevitably going to get input/output and its going to be used for evil by the small hat tribe

>>16002612
Free Will used to be real. It was a biological construct. It has been taken from us. Free will has finally been conquered, and we're all the better for it.

>>16002285
mercury wasn't orbital silly.

>>16002285
TKS is the Pete Best of spacecraft

>>16001155
Can someone redpill me on the appeal of model rocketry. I feel like it is closer to building Warhammer figurines than designing your own rocket, and it doesn't tickle my particular autism.

>>16002375
Falcon 9 is currently the longest success streak of any rocket. Safe to say the philosophy works.

>>16002619
Redstone-Mercury was not orbital
Atlas-Mercury was orbital

>>16002625
model rocketry is a subset of hobby rocketry

>>16002625
You are correct. Designing and building remote control drones is more fun, not just because of the options you have but because driving an RC submarine or rover around is way more fun than watching a model rocket go up and come down over like two minutes after 19 hours of prep.

>>16002629
Gemini is the capsule we should have kept flying and improving.

>>16002638
you have drunk the poisoned wine of contractors desperate to keep the gravy train rolling, it was fine
the thing we needed to keep was the will to do orbital assembly and renezvous

>>16002652

>>16002652
yeah, we've seen it

>>16002652

>>16002662
Hard to be excited for anything else by comparison. I'm not willing to pretend to be excited for most other stuff.

>>16002671
I like how purple it is
I'm looking forward to Starlink launches from the cape, I hope it looks purple from my beach

An aesthetic yet to be matched

Leading scientist for the Long March 5 & 7 rockets expelled from China’s top advisory body after a meeting on Monday, amid Beijing’s investigation into leaders of the People’s Liberation Army Rocket Force on suspicion of corruption.

>Falcon Heavy was 8 years ago...

>>16002703
>that pic

Jesus christ. It really is over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcuAHNiSJT8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcuAHNiSJT8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcuAHNiSJT8

>>16002713
Tesla Drago 9 is where SpaveX peaked

NG, without access to Russian RD-181, will fly the Cygnus spacecraft on Falcon 9

>>16002443
I've gotta wonder wonder what sort of counter measures they have installed on the KH-11s. If they have a means to maneuver quickly/ DEWs to blind or disable other sats, ect

>>16002180
scientific and industrial equipment in general is ridiculously overpriced
industrial panel PC costs like $2000 - for a "rig" with 1.7Gh Celeron CPU and 2GBs of RAM

>>16001145
>implying Musk wouldn't take the bog pill instead

>>16002814
Are scientists fucking retarded

>>16002811
I've always liked the idea of parasitic pusher sats. Imagine a little cube sat with an ion thruster that gets deployed from one of the spy birds (or a purpose made carrier in a higher grave yard orbit), latches onto an adversary's satellite and just pushes it around. Not enough to deorbit, but enough for to burn up station keeping propellant. I don't know what the capabilities are as far as surveillance in GEO, but if you could do this undetected, you have the other guys on the ground thinking that they'd sprung a leak

>>16002857
>sprung a leak
your dad sprung on the bed last night, if you get my drift.

>>16001202
>Why do we have to wear these ridiculous ties?

>>16002350
There's something broken in your soul.

>>16002625
It is neat to see a thing you built go 'woosh' and fly up really high.

>>16002338
>>16002335
>>16002334
Literally one company, one country, on this entire godamn planet does this all for political reasons and it led to the deaths of 7 astronauts

crazy

>>16001117
omg he said the title of the movie

>>16002350
Yep I noticed this too, they'll call you vaxxer out of nowhere when debunking them and will believe in even crazier shit like Tartaria and chemtrails, and sometimes Q anon and Trump truthers.

They don't just believe in one conspiracy in isolation, they believe in a whole slew of them, sometimes often contradictory ones too I've noticed but they don't reconcile that.

That's why I noticed its often not worth debunking them, because they are just more conspiracy minded by default, some of the ones I argued with on /pol/ to the point of them not replying with their shitty out of context webms and images on one thread just ended up posting the exact same webms and arguments in another thread the next day (ISS is in a pool its underwater its all fake), like talking to a brick wall they retain nothing, its too deeply tied up with their identity or something

>>16002931
They are doing it with the super bowl and taylor swift now. It's like anything can be taken and turned into a conspiracy against them.

>>16002934
>>16002931
Are these conspiracy theorists in the room with you right now?

>>16002935
No they're on /pol/ and a sizable number on twitter, you'll find them in the comments of almost every fucking spaceflight post, flat earther accounts with over 100k followers, (one of which blocked me lmao)

>>16002935
No they are on /pol/ and twitter.

>>16002936
>>16002937
Way to not make it obvious you are running on the same talking points.

>>16002941
That's such a conspiracy minded thing to say,

>>16002931
There are many conspiracies which are obviously true, and there are many which are very obviously astroturfed nonsense. Inorganic ones have a certain stink to them, I can't describe it accurately enough. There's just something about mudflood that rings hollow when you hear it, versus JFK getting domed by CIA/Mossad which is pretty obviously true.
The ones I hate most are the "space is fake", "earth is flat", "nukes aren't real" shitters. They have no point, they're doggedly convinced, they desperately want (you) to believe too. I have a hard time believing any of it is organic, its too stupid and I simply don't believe it.

>>16002311
Cool stuff, Anon. How do you plan on dealing with multiple celestial bodies, going to keep it simple without dealing with all the complex n-body problem?

>>16002958
I'm planning on using patched conics, so yes just a two-body simulation based on the craft entering the sphere of influence.

>>16002955
Associating credible things with the batshit insane is boilerplate propaganda.

>>16002761
Interesting how now both CRS spacecraft launch on falcon. Hows that for dissimilar redundancy.

>>16002955
>Inorganic ones have a certain stink to them, I can't describe it accurately enough. There's just something about mudflood that rings hollow when you hear it, versus JFK getting domed by CIA/Mossad which is pretty obviously true.
I unironically can't image a worse state of mind then just believing things based on my own "intuition". You are literally just an automaton following the whims of your own brain chemistry.

>>16002967
NASA/DoD don't like it at all but have no choice
other companies simply can't compete!

>>16002311
>>16002290
Very impressive for only two weeks, do you have previous game dev experience? Also this is in godot right?

>>16002968
>don't believe your eyes and ears, only whst you are told to think

I bet you thought that cloth mask did something.

>>16002955
>"space is fake", "earth is flat", "nukes aren't real" shitters.
The nukes one is wild, my guess is that once they are open to disbelieving basic facts like the shape of the Earth and the daily reality of spaceflight and the 99% steady historical record then believing nukes are fake despite ALL the evidence is just not much a stretch huh, Maybe the common theme is these are all past major events we don't see anymore (moon landings and open nuclear testing)

>>16002713
get an ad schizo.

>>16002973
The irony is palpable. You can go grab a spray bottle and test out how it works with a cloth mask vs without one. But you would rather believe what you are told then test it yourself.

>>16002971
yeah, its in godot.
I first started on scratch(block coding) when I was in middle school and had some of my games reach 50K plus views
I switched to Godot in 2020, but I've only made prototype games so far. This isn't the first time I've tried to make a 2D space game, but this is the most developed one I've made so far. I posted some pics of my older attempt during the ift-1 thread

>>16002986
Pretty cool, it looks great. I've been working on my own godot game, but it's not spaceflight related. You should post it in >>>/vg/agdg demo day when it comes around again.

>>16002985
If you haven't admitted to having been wrong this late into things you never, ever will.
Talk about a terrible state of mind, damn.
>>16002978
I wish a rogue state WOULD test a nuke in the open simply to shut those faggots up for five minutes.

T*rks need to fuck off from the NASA livestream, this mission doesn't even concern you

>>16002995
>"Hey man you can test these things for yourself, you don't need to believe what you read online"
>"No you are wrong, I know it already. I will not test things myself, I will not use my own eyes and ears, I will only believe what I am told by my conspiracy websites"
Ok. No skin off my back.

It's that easy in rocketry

Kino landing

>>16003005
it never gets old

why the chode nozzle?

>>16003016
It's kenough