/sci/ - Science & Math

https://youtu.be/I8cb9VjAVMk

I'M GONNA PLOOOOOM

>>15985053
Dude, put that thing away, there are like, children here.

i need somebody to announce something huge, like a space station, and its launching next month. where are all of the stealth startups with industry shaking announcements?

>>15985093
QI drive confirmed
February 2024 (2 weeks)

>axiom mission launched today
>crickets in american media
>front page news in europe
ironic

All the chinkhoppers so far

>>15985141
China being full of fast followers while the rest of the Western launch industry is making no serious effort to adapt to the paradigm established by SpaceX continues to baffle me. When did the West become allergic to innovation?

>>15985141
Go China!

>>15985141
China will surpass US in this decade.

>>15985173
China gave the president's son management of a $1.5 billion investment fund so they're immune to claims of intellectual property theft from US companies.

>>15985187
In copying SpaceX maybe

>>15985180
chink copy pasta.txt

>>15985173
What's the expected ROI on a Falcon 9 competitor? Do you have any guaranteed customers even if you fall short of the mark and can't compete on price and reliability? Making the first good Falcon 9 clone in China has a lot of value, and they are still growing decently fast and aren't strapped for cash.
Unless there is some major state industrial policy in Europe I doubt we'll see a Starlink competitor or something equivalent that would require hundreds of launches from there.

Going through a Challenger phase when this faggot randomly shows up. How long has he been kicking around for?

Is DC-201 in 2026 likely?

>>15985173
>When did the West become allergic to innovation?
aging population in leadership and atrocious institutional education

WvB was 32yo when V-2 was developed and 58 during Apollo landing, JFK would have been 52 and Nixon was 56
Ballast Bill and Sleepy Joe are both 81, Orange man is 77, Dave Calhoun (Boing CEO) is 66, Tory Bruno is a young whippersnapper at 62

you have boomers hogging all the positions who are doing everything as they always done it, until they fall over and die
and their replacements aren't people who want to change things upside down - they are autistic yesmen who learned their mannerisms, who also hate change (or worse, DEI hires who don't care about any of this nerd shit and just want to parasite on prestige)

>>15985268
wtf is the point of the dream chaser?

>>15985053
HIGH ENERGY ARCHITECTURE

>>15985277
Delivering cargo and crew to the ISS

>>15985141
how many failed non-hop landings have china not made public? how many times more difficult is a suborbital landing compared to a hop?

Europe's attempt to decouple from the US
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAr_8cNL1nk

ELAN THE BLADDY ROGGETS
LAANCH THEM KINDLY
I BEG YOU

2 hours until SLIM attempts landing

>>15985333
as a european i'm pissed off that ESA and ariane were in denial about falcon 9 for so fucking long.
didn't the ariane exec even have an outburst basically along the lines of
>NOOOO ITS NOT FAIR THAT FALCON IS SO MUCH CHEAPER THAN US IT MUST BE SUBSIDIZED OR SOMETHING

fucking hell, if only airbus put some of their magic to work on spaceflight instead of hogging the US passenger plane market.

>>15985353
check em, the moon men will nuke it before it lands.

>>15985229
There is nothing in existence that's going to wake up europe. The continent is basically the equivalent of a retirement home.

>>15985046
This is bad...

Good morning Ria!

>>15985377

>>15985114
they stuffed the rocket full of europeans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UftY80iFWI

clear is live

> The Japanese moon lander has an official JAXA animu mascot loli.

Way to confirm those stereotypes, Japan.

I'm crossing my finger SLIM lands in one piece

>>15985392
Soul

>6 RD-180 / 12 BE-4 / 12 AR-1 rocket
Thoughts?

That is one unattractive space vehicle.

im shitting myself

>>15985405
name 3 sexy landers

Will the nips job again?

>>15985392
seethe

>>15985405
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57hS8uLU7v4
Look at that. better looking than most of the other recent ones

That little ball rover is so cute, hope it doesn't just dig itself into the regolith.

> SORA-Q is a tiny rover developed by JAXA in joint cooperation with Tomy, Sony Group, and Doshisha University

LMAO, literally a toy company made this.

let's go bakugan on the moon
full support sirs

"SLIM-kun -- do your very best!"

>>15985426
Not just any toy company, a Japanese toy company. you know the Japanese make good the best stuff.

>>15985408
basically all the landers for mars rovers.
zhurong's platform
spirit and opportunity's balloons
mars pathfinder

When is the action going to start? I just see random people talking to each other on the stream.

>>15985442
Hopefully before the buzz wears off....

>>15985447
>no Strong-0
Weak!

There just has to be a line of capsule toys for this.

"Go SLIM -- go!"

>>15985455
I wish we had capsule machines selling little models of spacecrafts/probes for a few bucks each, I'd buy them all.

here we go, finally some live telemetry

imagine if SLIM lands today...

>>15985468
I will be very happy.

>156,586 watching now
:O

>>15985474
>less than a football match
its over

>above the curve
doesn't it mean it has extra fuel left?

what's that bottle popping sound that keeps happening?

"Itadakimasu!"

>>15985477
your moms diaphragm

>>15985477
Champagen

happening!!!

>curses your spacecraft

>>15985483
bit early for that don't you think? not to late for it to crash

>>15985485
Geronimo? why?

Intuitive machines are sweating right now

>>15985240
He kicked ass at this hearing. He was running circles around everyone including the engineers.

what the fuck, boing

>>15985491
Is someone running a smear campaign against Boeing or are they fucking up this often organically?

>>15985491
https://aviationweek.com/aerospace/commercial-space/boeing-eyes-commercial-sls-bid-nssl-phase-3

"Oh no! Be careful SOR-Q!"

2km and descending

I hope it doesn't spend an hour sliding slowly down the slope like in KSP

>>15985502
> 72 x 72

Thanks.

500m

Soon....

This telemetry display is wild.

>>15985503
50 meters!

It's into the ground?

yatta!

NIPPON BANZAI?!

SLIM HAS LANDED

DSN still receiving data. They did it.

Honest question Elon Sisters, what would be your red line to quit the Elon Mars Death Cult?

5 Starship explosions?
10 years behind schedule?
Kicked out of Boca Chica?
Would you just ride or die no matter how many lies he tells, no matter how many failures you witness?

No seriously, write it down, hang it on your mirror, be accountable. Otherwise the Terra Gravity Well will be the graveyard of Humanity....perhaps The Great Filter is you retards obsessed with some monorail salesman deep state faggot who steals memes from /pol/ to impress normies. Food for thought.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDOI0cq6GZM

"Go!"

Retarded landing sequence gone wrong?

ok when are the images comming?

>>15985521
Japan just landed on the moon. This is an historic moment. save the Elon bait for later please

LFG!!!

Japan can into moon!?!

"CHECKING THE STATUS"

IT'S OVER

Why can't USA and Russia into moon?

>>15985521
What is blud waffling about?

>we're stil checking the status
these streams are always sad to watch

>>15985113
>QI drive confirmed
>February 2024 (2 weeks)
Big if true.

>>15985531
... checking intensifies

Why do they have SAD EXPRESSIONS on their faces?!

umm guys?

Look like they did soft landing, but not sure if it's in stable position? I have a bad feeling...

>American moon lander: fails immediately on orbit
>Japanese moon lander: works perfectly
When did we lose our edge?

this looks good though right?

Never do retard flipping manuevers 10m from landing

>we are checking status, prease waitu
get on with it you NIP FUCKS did it crash or not?

>>15985542
Don't worry.
We Are Going.

Waiting....

>>15985548
funds are saifu

>>15985543
Enough time has elapsed for an engineering camera image.

>>15985541
Landed and did the topple as planned, but in the lower gravity it kept turning and landed upside down.
t. on the moon watching

>>15985550
based shogi enjoyer

>>15985554
liar, its saifu

Any time you guys.....

SHAMEFUR DISPRAY

Please wait warmly girls are checking status!

>>15985555
quads of traditional chess variants

60 years later and a moon landing looks like a paradox game

The only real way to land on the moon is by the seat of your pants, joystick in hand, glancing furtively at the fuel readout and back out the window as you intuitively apply just enough thrust to touch down like a feather.

meanwhile the terachads at JPL are streaming 4K quality Mars landings

Why can’t they fire thrusters to flip around?

>>15985566
not all ksp maneuvers work in real life

status check: still checking status

samurai bros, what happened?

>>15985566
maybe they can. The Japanese are pretty good at salvaging missions that appear to be fucked. They did it for Hayabusa.

why did they decide upon such a weird landing maneuver anyways?

Status of the status?

>>15985573
>>15985569

you may have to wait a while for the status

>>15985572
It works in KSP when I land big rovers.

So, I guess we will have a bunch of HLS test streams once Starship get's done with the Earth tests?

>>15985543
How strong is this signal compared to the expected strength? Could mean a non directional antenna if it is even true?

>>15985491
If it's Boeing, you ain't going

so uhh starship is supposed to land humans by 2026?

"Banzai! Banzai! Banzai!"

They did the thing!2h4ya

>>15985572
it was supposed to be able to land on steeper slopes than standard landers

>>15985564
Shame on you for that quality.

Just woke up. Did JAXA actually manage to put something on the moon in one piece?

>>15985586
checking status

>>15985586
It is in one piece. Unfortunately it took a bit of a tumble.

>>15985586
please wait for the press conference

>>15985580
Humans would be able to steer the ship of stars

>>15985491
Boing doesn't make the engines.

>>15985586
I think it might've tipped over more than it was supposed to. I want to know what's become of the ball rover it dropped at 1m

"Oh no! SLIM-kun!"

>>15985590
please understand

First lesson of BattleBots: have a self-righting mechanism

>>15985605
The ball rover shouldn't have this problem, deploying the little camera bit should right it no matter what position it landed in.

"We apologize to the Emperor for our failure." *commits Seppuku*

>>15985581
seems like this is from a public viewing event in Sagamihara, south of Tokyo

They started playing sad funeral music. It's over.

It actually did a soft landing, completed the most important goal, just hopefully it still able to release the ball rover.

"Sumimasen..."

bbc said they had landed

>>15985046
>>15985502
>>15985521
>>15985590
>>15985617
When are we leaving this planet bros? Here I am another day, stuck on this little blue point with flat eathers and moon landing deniers... I want to go out and explore the galaxy, whats taking so long...

>>15985621
The spaceballs eject shortly before the landing.

>>15985625
we just landed on another planet this morning dumbass. not my fault your ass isn't going to space

This is getting sad, they should just go and ask help from the indians at this point.

Revenge for Pearl Harbor

>>15985621
whats so hard about a soft landing? just slow down lmao

Rank the following space agencies:

US
EU
Russia
China
India
Japan

*munch*

>>15985636
china (numba wan) >>>>>> us > india = russia > japan = eu

>>15985638
Why do you have so much jap stuff?

>>15985636
USA
soviets
china
russia
eurobros
japan
india

>>15985642
Weeb tranny trying to live his trans girl fantasies uwu

How come arabs don't have space programs? They have the infinite money glitch and good launch weather.

>>15985636
4ASS
NASA
ISRO / CASC
roscosmos
JAXA
cucklord central esa

>>15985636
>manned spaceflight
US > R > C > I > EU = J
>rockets
US > C > EU = R = J = I
>scientific probes
US > EU = J = C > I > R
>telescopes
US = EU > C > J > I = R

owari da

Even the Japanese stream dropped under 100k viewers. They know it's owarida.

They said that they need two more hours. Please wait for a while.

>>15985654
riveting livestream, I can't imagine why people would leave

https://eyes.nasa.gov/dsn/dsn.html
I mean... the DSN says it's still receiving data

>>15985649
Idk it may start a ballistic missile arms race

>>15985649
UAE has a pretty competent space program but nothing in the way of domestic launch vehicles

ゆっくりしていってね!!!

>>15985669
Clear(ly) a cis het femoid desu

>>15985636
1. US
2. China
3. Russia
4. EU
5. India
6. Japan

>>15985661
Alive. Tipped over. Solar panel angle not optimal. Might not be able to release payload. Not great, not terrible.

>>15985669
That's Japanese for "I'm a trans Redditor into BBC porn"

LEV 2 should be taking picture and send the data to LEV 1, which send it back to earth, so if it is alive then we may be able to get picture of SLIM.

If this one fails, they should just sacrifice one intern for the next mission whose job is to be onboard to fix things after the landing and with no means of returning to earth.

>>15985695
they already have that picture. they just need more time to think of an eloquent way to say "uhh looks like we landed upside down and the lander will be dead in 6 hours"

>>15985521
>if i just pretend to be mentally retarded and then call it a baitpost people will not make fun of me
no, they still will.

If they can't keep it from tipping over, why don't they just put solar panels on the bottom?

>>15985229
Europe can only be saved by going back to war with itself.

>>15985229
america did this

>>15985708
being a bottom is gay doe and the japs are cis straight hetro chads

Did SLIM die from shaken payload syndrome too?

CONFERENCE STARTS IN 15 MINUTES

Press conference in 13 min.

>>15985046
>post yfw you realize Tesla/SpaceX are lame now

Can’t believe this dumbass has forced me to pour all the rest of my faith and optimism into fucking Jeff Bezos of all people… this is what it’s like to watch your heroes fall. At least Basedzos’ new thrusters will bring shuttles back to the fold

>>15985729
Jeff you really gotta try harder with your shit posts.

>they need more time to prepare the press conference
it's over

LOL
https://youtu.be/dDah_KqMHYw

They're not smiling.

Yup, it's over

it's fucking upside down
I called it

BATTERY FAILURE

HAHAHA

solar not able to generate electricity

>solar cell not operating
its over...

welp, flipped over

RTG chads stay winning.

solarfags btfo

I had a feeling, the topple maneuver carried too much momentum and it kept toppling beyond the position it was meant to settle in. Happens all the time in KSP.

What is it with Indians having to constantly spam their flag in live chat?

Our boy was successfully deployed

solar sissies lose again

>>15985783
Look at him go!

Didn't we solve solar panels long time ago, how can it not generate power.

>>15985783
we're getting 1 picture back from this guy before slim runs out of batteries

Lunar Excursion Vehicle 1 has direct uplink capability. LEV-2 is 250g so I seriously doubt that it has.

>>15985789
LEV-2 communicates over LEV-1 which has a direct earth link.

>>15985788
because it's upside down retard

>>15985788
solar panels only work if you point them at the sun

>>15985792
>>15985794
BASED

They don't know if it's flipped over? What the fuck are they doing? Don't they have an accelerometer on board?

So congratulation Japan for being the 5th country to soft land on the moon

>>15985799
they are too busy gooning to clear hentai

Congratulations @jaxa_en @jaxa_jp @isas_jaxa_en - I consider this mission a success despite the fact that the surface lifetime will be short.

Just need a single picture...

Success? It's a fucking useless piece of junk. It has enough battery to send one dick pic back to Earth before falling into an eternal slumber.

JPL tier spin

>>15985815
Did better than Peregrine.

they should fry flipping it over with lev-2. it's lighter on the moon so it should be easy

WHERE'S THE PHOTO, FAGGOTS? YOU PAID FOR THIS SHIT USING TAXPAYER MONEY, AT LEAST YOU CAN GIVE US THE MONEY SHOT

Yep, it's flipped over.

why don't they just make a lander that works both ways, then it doesn't matter if flips over

inb4 LEV-1 and LEV-2 will end up doing a 600 day mission

They shutdown various subsystems on the vehicle to compensate for loss of power generator. So now, they have few hrs left of research to do.

They have 12 rcs thruster with 22 newtons each plus the main engines. If they weren't pussies scared of risk they could flip it the right way up.

>>15985851
They still had like 20kg of fuel left when they touched down too, they could do it. I wonder if the wash from the engines would blow the little ball rover around though.

Since it seems it was a partial success, I wonder if they are willing to try this design again

>>15985851
Unfortunately they didn't foresee such a scenario and there is no program to execute it.

>no electricity

inb4 it does a philae and communicates again in a year

>>15985858
oh my gura

>it even overshoots the flip in their promotional material
ohnnononono AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>they didn't charge it before shiping it
wtf

>>15985857
>and there is no program to execute it.
so write that program. do you not have the right stuff?

>>15985856
> a partial success,
You're being too generous. The officials said that the mission passed the minimum success criteria.

>>15985864
just like the cubesat on artemis

>>15985851
If they weren't retards, they would stop skimping on critical systems to save mass elsewhere, add a few extra kilograms of batteries, put a 200 watt solar panel on the back or sides

Trust me bro it's a full success it's just not an extra success

>>15985869
at least they were smart enough to bring a few spare kilograms of rocket fuel this time

Next up, Nova C in February

>>15985870
Wasn't the objective for pinpoint landing?

>only poo's can pull off a moon landing now
Holy shit it actually is the Indian century

>>15985862
Japs are truly retarded lol

>>15985869
Yeah. I don't understand this. They were obviously doing a precarious maneuver to land on steep slopes.
The MOST OBVIOUS thing to anticipate is it flipping over.
It uses thin film cells on the top already. It wouldn't even be 1 extra kilogram to cover the bottom too.

>>15985877
They believe they have achieved high accuracy landing. So they consider that part as a likely success.

>>15985878
What about China and their far side lander and rover? Much more implessive

>>15985874
god damn we're being spoiled

does anyone have a photograph of the actual hardware for lev1? I can barely find renders

>>15985880
They insist the landing went fine and the solar cells aren't working for another reason.

>>15985862
This seems to only work if they're landing uphill.

>>15985783
He's literally me! Completely alone and borderline useless.

>>15985883
Fake

>>15985887
Have this miniature model.

>>15985887
https://www.chuo-u.ac.jp/english/news/2023/09/67672/

They should make the lander a cube with different number of solar panel on each side, so it would feel like a dice roll.

>>15985887
Boing

>>15985893
That's SLIM.

>>15985729
Musk has never been more inspiring than he is now
my respect for him has only increased through the years

>>15985887
The design seems highly autistic.

>>15985900
Yeah, they're extremely Japanese.

>>15985887
roll

https://twitter.com/nhk_sciencezero/status/1681982284088455170

The Japanese girl fears the lunar hopper

Slim-kun has stopped transmission. Owari da.

>>15985913
lol

>>15985892
No? We can all see the data

>>15985910
pretty kewl.
i just hope its deployment worked.
shouldnt they have seen its signal by now?

>>15985920
They've had its signal since landing.

May I have your attention, please?
Will the real SLIM Shady please stand up?
I repeat
Will the real SLIM Shady please stand up?
We're gonna have a problem here

>>15985921
Yay! They should make a video with the hopper of the little ball moving.

>>15985894
look at it go!

>>15985925
Let's hope they share it lmao

>>15985924
best post of the thread so far

>>15985913
can't see levi1 in dsn website as well
hope they come back or the images were transmitted at least

>>15985495
>or are they fucking up this often organically
They are fucking up organically anon, it's a natural consequence of having a ~$500bn backlog of plane orders while not expanding their manufacturing ability so they can show off their profit margin to the shareholders.

They actually failed their own goal of 450 planes shipped to customers last year, they only sent ~390 and i'm sure that was only achieved by cutting corners as we have seen in Miami and Alaska, alongside other fuckups like the 737 MAX.

At the very least, Japan joins the club of now 5 countries that got to the moon that functions. Problem is that they didn't get everything.

Still I think Japan should still be proud of the archievement.

Astrobotic teleconference on nasa tv right now

>>15985947
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8r6gTFXH1k

why didn't you link it

>>15985947
>Confirms that Vulcan damaged Peregrine.
It happening...

>>15985957
real

>>15985857
It's Midway all over again. The Japanese never adequately plan for things not going to plan.

>>15985974
side effect of autism, you can weave intricate plans but can't adapt when something changes along the line.

please come back

>>15985356
vega would be cheaper than falcon 9 if ESA bureaucracy didn't impose to fragment the production across who knows how many european manufacturers
>dude, avio can make the first 3 stages but this totally trivial piece of the rocket must be made by the "who the fuck are you LLC" born yesterday

>>15985983
But Avio can't make the first stage alone.

>>15985865
>do you not have the right stuff?

Do these look like guys that have The Right Stuff?

>>15985986
yeah the french have to take part in it somehow otherwise you can't use their nigger penal colony
>european space agency
thanks for making my point

>people think that a 9 engine rocket is more convenient than "big firework" just because it lands on a barge

>>15985981
silence...

>>15985991
Looks based to me

the sample head is open
high resolution here https://images.nasa.gov/details/jsc2024e006057

"Wipe that smile off your face, you failure!"

https://spacenews.com/chinas-landspace-conducts-first-vtvl-test-for-reusable-stainless-steel-rocket/

>>15986029
https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1748270278918983745

>>15986030
>

The Zhuque-3 VTVL-1 test follows similar “hop” tests conducted by fellow Beijing-based launch startup iSpace in November and December last year. The Zhuque-3 VTVL-1 is powered by an engine model that will be used for orbital flight, as with iSpace’s tests.

>>15986032
> Regarding Zhuque-3’s roadmap, Landspace CEO Zhang Changwu told Chinese media last month that the firm is working on a 200-ton full-flow staged-combustion-cycle engine, to be ready in 2028.
> That engine would power a two-stage reusable launch vehicle with a diameter of 10 meters. The launcher appears to challenge the planned Long March 9 reusable rocket being developed by the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corp. (CASC), the country’s state-owned main space contractor.

going to be a starship clone and competitor to the state developed Long March 9

list of chinese reusable rockets in development

【速報】日本の探査機SLIM、月面着陸に成功 世界5カ国目 JAXA発表

>>15986032
>China
>'startup'
>'private'
lol
lmao even

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1748428323548758414

Merlin engine at work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muK6gFtv7_o

>>15986050
oh my manley

>>15986047
coping mutt

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/01/rocket-report-a-new-estimate-of-starship-costs-japan-launches-spy-satellite/

Small Rockets
> The problem at America's military spaceports.
> Momentus is running out of money.
> Orbex may go bigger.

Medium Rockets
> Hello, Helios.
> Japan launches spy satellite.
> Another cargo delivery to Tiangong.

Heavy Rockets
> Elon Musk's newsy all-hands meeting.
> Mike Griffin turns back the clock.
> Taking a look at Starship's costs.
> RS-25 engine testing continues in Mississippi

Landing on the moon is far from straightforward.

>>15986064
a few interesting tidbits, quote is with respect to SpaceX all-hands talk with respect to how long F9 will be kept running, which I missed myself and didn't see much discussion about (obviously the starship info ws more interesting)

>There was some news on Falcon 9, too … Until Starship is fully operational, SpaceX will continue flying its Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy rockets to carry satellites, cargo, and astronauts into orbit. This means Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy will remain in service until at least the late 2020s, and perhaps beyond 2030 for certain missions. So SpaceX is motivated to improve Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy, even though the company doesn't plan any more major "block upgrades" to either vehicle. Musk said SpaceX is working to qualify Falcon first-stage boosters for up to 40 flights, four times the original goal, and reduce launch pad turnaround time to less than 24 hours.

>>15986064
Payload Space has written a study about the costs of the starship programme, how much it costs to build one etc
you can view the report if you give them your email

https://payloadspace.com/starship-report/

>>15986047
well whatever it happens to be, the private entities should have much more autonomy and different management structures even if in the end they got investment from the state and were subject to their whims in the end
or not sure what you mean by that

>>15986072
so right now a Starship stack costs 90 million according to their estimates, most of this is the engines + labour
marginal cost estimate is 10 million

>>15986072
what's the secret sauce that lets them build the largest super heavy lift vehicle ever for lest than the price of many medium lift rockets?

>>15986091
Stainless steel helps

>>15986091
Vertical integration.

>>15986091
Stainless steel instead of composites and also building large numbers of engines/stages which allows them to figure out how to reduce costs by just building variations of the same thing over and over. We're up to what booster 13 and ship 30+? How many New Glenn stages have been build? Vulcan? Pretty sure just 1 in the same time (or more) than SpaceX has build 13 boosters and 30+ ships .

>>15986091
Burritos

>>15986091
They also either get off the shelf parts and materials or use proprietary stuff rather than outsourcing to hundreds of other companies

>>15986072
pages 1-8 (the full pdf is 13.9mb and couldn't be compressed, but maybe I'm retarded=

>>15986003
>people think that a 9 engine rocket is more convenient than "big firework" just because it lands on a barge

Considering their launch cadence limit is the speed they can make second stages.

>>15986114
pages 9-17

>super autistic unorthodox last second maneuver instead of just designing angled/articulated legs for an upright platform
>predictably fails

So that leaves LEV1 and LEV2, also super autistic hyper-niche movement with obvious single points of failure

Here's how that will happen:
>LEV-1
hops around a few times until one hop gets it stuck 90 degrees perpendicular pointing hopping plate down and cannot recover

>LEV2
Gets fucked by regolith, jammed or buries itself in it unrecoverably

This is so predictable

>>15986116
18-26

>>15986119
27-32
this part has the cost analysis

>>15986072
>The vast majority of this goes toward the rocket's 39 Raptor engines and labor expenses
SpaceX needs (or will need at some point) a much bigger Raptor successor, should be like 2x the cost and 3x thrust or so. Instead of 33 engines they could use only 11 or less on the booster, reducing price and complexity.

>>15986114
table of contents

>>15986122
Full-flow staged combustion cycle rotating detonation aerospike

>>15986114
bro i typed in some burner info and nothing happened when i pressed submit

If it weren’t for the delay, Intuitive Machines IM-1 would have landed today

>>15986130
>would have landed
Counting chickens before they've hatched kek

>>15986130
If it weren’t for the delay, Artemis would have landed people on the Moon today.

>>15986133
this is not true

Feels so moon bros

>>15986128
i did the same with firefox when I had ublock on, nothing happened
but with chrome it seemed to work (no adblocks or any addons at all)

>>15986138
no it doesn't
>>15986139
yeah that's probably it

We should be sending midgets into space

>>15986091
rapid hardware rich iteration, i.e. exploding rockets

>>15986142
that is what ESA is planning on
brown midgets, women with amputated legs and people with disabilities in general (being a manlet is a disability acording to ESA kek)

>>15986144
muskrat btfo

>>15986147
English please Sir

>>15986122
nah they like the small engines for redundancy.
also they get great packing efficiency.

spacex fundraising + valuation history

>>15986147
btfo how? don't you know how to read?
their competitive edge is to blow the rockets up and not care about uninformed retards whining about that

>>15986154
thunderf00t said that SpaceX is on the verge of total collapse doe

>>15986157
thunderf00t has no idea what he is talking about

>>15986157
Thundercuck is a nobody

>>15986160
but he's the king of the skeptic community doe

What rocket is Astrobotic Griffin with NASA VIPER launching on?

hmmmmmmm

https://www.valleycentral.com/news/cameron-county-and-spacex-compete-for-boca-chica-land/

In Cameron County, an exchange of land is being considered by Texas Parks and Wildlife, however, there is some opposition from county leaders.

The opposition comes amid SpaceX’s request for dozens of acres from Boca Chica State Park.

In return, SpaceX would give Texas Parks and Wildlife close to 500 acres near the Laguna Atascosa National Wildlife Refuge.

Cameron County Commissioner David Garza says SpaceX is going after land the county was already looking to acquire.

“We don’t need a corporation to come in and buy a property that is in the works of already being bought,” Garza said.

>>15986169
gay futa starship

90 mil for starship stack vs 100mil for RS-25
lmao

>>15986173
There is no dick, though.

>>15986182
not yet

>>15986182
where do you think the third sea level raptor is?

>>15986182
the fin looked like one but upon further inspection, it's actually on the side not the front of the girl
sorry

>>15986190
In her ass.

>>15986192

>>15986205
AKHTUALLY there's a fourth, RD-280, started by Glushko in 1965; basically a ~120 kN mini-RD-270, with two chambers; roughly concurrent with 270's development.

>>15986028
>mogged by a child's toy

lol,do they really believe this? its not like they are not aware of spacetugs
but I guess it might be possible that Starship is busy the first few years of its operation with starlink, HLS and maybe first mars missions to bother with rideshare for smallsats

>>15986072
the cost analysis overview

>>15986230
my guess is starship will be busy and SpaceX will internally convince elon to keep falcon 9 running when it becomes clear it will be a few years into starship until it supplants all the old missions

>>15986237

>>15986237
Yeah no, I don't believe S2 reentry system and all that fits in that 30% of $13,000 budget.

>>15986230
They're LARPing because telling the obvious truth will get them screamed at.

>>15986243
Flight control can be programmed by a child.

>>15986243
Thats 13 million retard

>>15986219
>second-stage Starships
wtf does that mean? Did they just mean starship?

>>15986247

>>15986245
Clearly not no, but I'm not talking about avionics

>>15986250
I missed that, I guess they need to come up with a name for the full stack.

>>15986243
That's million, homie.

>>15986259
Again, makes no sense, Engine are at most half of the cost of a launcher on old launchers, and Raptors are cheap, so it's probably less in this case, give or take $40M minimum for Structure+Avionics. Probably under $150M for a stack tho.

>>15986266
they break it down a bit more

>>15986032
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nqPPt-ojTA

>>15986269
>>15986266
specifically here >>15986121

Structures 13mil
-5 mil: Stainless steel structures and plumbing (bulk steel would be 0.45mil, but there are specialty items + scrap happens so they estimate 5 mil)
-2 mil: heat shield tiles >>15986249
-2 mil: tanks (20 copv/large tanks at 100k each)
-4 mil: misc valves, advanced tech and parts

Avionics is 3mil (pic related)

>>15986257
Starship Super Heavy

Super Heavy Starship

>>15986280
It's a Super Heavy Starship, it drops Super Heavy and becomes a Starship because it's no longer super heavy and no longer has Super Heavy.

>>15986047
seriously what is this retarded boomer talking point even supposed to mean? Do you think that the CCP runs every single company in China?

>>15986257
>>15986280
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Starship, is in fact, Starship-Super Heavy, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Super Heavy plus Starship. Starship is not a Mars settlement vehicle unto itself, but rather another multimillion dollar component of a fully functioning Earther destruction system made useful by the Super Heavy booster, incinerated beetles, and illegal alien welders comprising a full send as defined by Elon.

Many Mars settlers use a modified version of the Super Heavy system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Super Heavy which is widely used these synods is often called "Starship", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Super Heavy system, developed by the Super Heavy team.

There really is a Starship, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Starship is the rocket: the payload in the system that allocates the Earthers' resources towards ends that will result in their destruction. The rocket is an essential part of an Earther destruction system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of an independent Mars and total beetle extinction. Starship is normally used in combination with the Super Heavy booster: the whole system is basically Super Heavy with Starship added, or Starship-Super Heavy. All the so-called "Starship" bombardments are really bombardments from Starship-Super Heavy.

>>15986297
Thank you.

>>15985463
Where do I find her to marry her?

>>15986257
also called starship

>>15986252
So, with a nominal 100 ton payload, that's $100k per ton to LEO. For comparison, long distance air freight is $8000 per ton, give or take.

>>>/pol/455760578
/pol/ is being stupid again
>inbefore what where you doing on /pol/
I like to shitpost there.

Why did Vulcan shake SLIM and cause it to land upside down?

>>15986323
what where you doing on /pol/

>>15986324
ULA can't keep getting away with it

>>15986326
They like to shit post there

>>15986326
harvesting vatnik tears.

>>15986172
> “These 470 acres here – we have already found federal dollars to be able to buy. We are in the process and submitted an application,” Garza added. Garza says a grant application to the General Land Office was submitted on January 9.

Oh, so you don't actually have the money and you waited until after SpaceX was at the finish line before even applying?

>>15986331
the only thing worse than a /pol/tard, impressive

>>15986342
Nta but vatniks fucking suck

>>15986058
>chink calling others mutt
every time

https://payloadspace.com/space-based-solar-project-completes-its-mission/
> This week, the first demonstration probe to ever successfully beam solar power to Earth from orbit completed its year-long mission. In its year circling the Earth, Caltech’s Space Solar Power Demonstrator (SSPD) notched three major successes: proving the functionality of a spacecraft design to form the basis of a future space power station, testing a compact solar cell for collecting solar energy, and, importantly, transmitting a beam of power from space to a ground station.

https://spacenews.com/nasa-report-offers-pessimistic-take-on-space-based-solar-power/

Just woke up, what the fuck happened

>>15986365
slim did a backflip instead of a frontflip

https://www.nasa.gov/organizations/otps/space-based-solar-power-report/

https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/otps-sbsp-report-final-tagged-approved-1-8-24-tagged-v2.pdf?emrc=744da1

>>15986361
why don't they just use mirrors to concentrate extra light onto solar panels?

>>15986365
It rolled over.

>>15986364
> The report concluded that one architecture would produce electricity at a cost of $0.61 per kilowatt-hour, and the other at $1.59 per kilowatt-hour. By contrast, terrestrial renewable systems, such as wind, hydropower and terrestrial solar plants, produce energy at $0.02 to $0.05 per kilowatt-hour.
> “We found that these space-based solar power designs are expensive. They are 12 to 80 times more expensive than if you were going to have renewable energy on the ground,” said Erica Rodgers, science and technology partnership forum lead in NASA’s Office of the Chief Technologist, in a presentation at the AIAA SciTech Forum conference where the agency released the report.

>>15986367
slim shady?

https://spacenews.com/nasa-study-clean-space-based-solar-power-beaming-possible/

>>15986382
> The new NASA report, withheld for more than a year for technical and political review, shows that there appear to be no clear technical showstoppers for an in-space solar power demonstration mission. It also showed that tapping into technologies under development today by NASA’s global partners could make space solar power beaming feasible soon — within two decades. And because pieces of this promising technology are currently or soon to be available, development requires no miracles — just commitment.

>>15986376
the real slim shady

>>15986400
Yo, we in the /sfg/ thread, where the real ones meet,
Talking spaceflight dreams, from the ground to the fleet.
Rocket launches, missions, man, it's all elite,
NASA, SpaceX, yeah, we feeling the heat.

Thread buzzing like the engines on a Falcon 9,
Lift-off discussions, watching rockets climb.
Sippin' on that cosmic tea, we passing time,
/sfg/ senpai, in the space groove, in our prime.

(Chorus)
/sfg/ in the zone, space talk on the grind,
Rocket emojis, we leaving Earth behind.
From ISS to Mars, we're on the incline,
/sfg/ thread, where space geeks intertwine.

(Verse 2)
Elon tweets, Jeff Bezos scheming big,
Blue Origin dreams, SpaceX's satellite rig.
Mars colonies, like a futuristic gig,
/sfg/ discussing it all, ain't that the gig?

Delta IV, Atlas V, rockets taking flight,
Starship prototypes, testing in the night.
SpaceX innovations, pushing the height,
/sfg/ thread, where knowledge takes flight.

(Chorus)
/sfg/ in the zone, space talk on the grind,
Rocket emojis, we leaving Earth behind.
From ISS to Mars, we're on the incline,
/sfg/ thread, where space geeks intertwine.

In your opinion, what is the coolest spacewalk/misson? I think STS-49 is a contender for it's irl KSP shenanigans.
>satellite fucks up and doesn't reach right orbit.
>send some guys up there to bolt a new kicker stage on it
>can't manage to secure the satellite with the tool you made on the ground
>just grab satellite with your fucking hands instead.
>the shittles antenna fucks up and wont retract, so you have to go on a other EVA to manually retract it
By comparison, the EVAs on the ISS are snore fests nowadays

>>15986382
Every day there's a new potential space startup and people still claim StarShip isn't going to have any future customers. Musk is going to be the first Trillionaire and Emperor of the Spacing Guild.

>>15986428
Not only that, STS-49 was Endeavor's maiden flight.

>>15986432
trannies love the idea of shooting musk

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCouV6swU9g
why do these videos have so few views? is it her voice? is it her face? is it the content?

>>15986450
its the voice for me, grating

>>15986433
As much as people shit on the Shuttles, there were Kino in their own way. Don't get me wrong, the shuttle and it's consequences have been a disaster for American spaceflight, but it did offer a unique capability in an architecture we'll likely never see again. Much like transatlantic Zepplin travel, I don't think space planes will make a comeback.

>>15986315
>>15985463
In Sagamihara. Take the Odakyuu Line from Shinjuku.

>>15986458
True, but at least we get Dream Chaser this year