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>>15891713
>>15891713
>>15891713

1st 4 spess

BO has a whole rocket and they are still going to miss their 2024 launch window.

>>15894396
>>15894395

>>15894397
Frig

NASA postpones Dragonfly review, launch date
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https://spacenews.com/nasa-postpones-dragonfly-review-launch-date/
> WASHINGTON — Citing budget uncertainty, NASA is pushing back the launch of the Dragonfly mission to Saturn’s moon Titan by a year and postponing a key milestone in its development.
> In a presentation at a Nov. 28 meeting of NASA’s Outer Planets Assessment Group (OPAG), Lori Glaze, director of NASA’s planetary science division, said agency leadership decided to postpone formal confirmation of the mission earlier this month, a milestone where the agency sets an official cost and schedule for the mission.
> Instead, the APMC will reconvene after the release of the agency’s fiscal year 2025 budget proposal in early 2024. “We anticipate taking Dragonfly back to APMC in the spring” for a decision on confirmation, she said. In the meantime, though, NASA will allow the mission to proceed with some elements of final mission design and fabrication that usually do not start until after the confirmation review.
> When NASA selected Dragonfly, it planned a launch in 2026. The agency announced in 2020 a one-year delay in the launch, to 2027, citing external pressures on the agency’s budget, including those linked to the pandemic. Glaze, at the OPAG meeting, did not identify any problems internal to the mission that caused the latest delay.
> Besides the changes to Dragonfly, NASA has delayed calls for future New Frontiers and Discovery missions and slowed the start of a new flagship mission, the Uranus Orbiter and Probe. She did not rule out changes to other missions in earlier stages of development depending on the severity of budget cuts. “Anything in the portfolio that is not confirmed right now is at risk,” she said later at the OPAG meeting. “We’re waiting to see what happens.”


>>15894391
At least the OP isn't an image of a hammer lol

>>15894398
how does a water hammer destroy this?

>>15894344
>IFT-2 was under 75% throttle
This rocket is genuinely insane

>>15894403
it's a new angle of IFT-2, and it's provided some much needed proof for the water hammer theory.

Glass the earth, demigod war eventually

>>15894409
>THIS ISN'T EVEN MY FINAL FORM

>>15894391
N-1 all over again

>>15894418
water hammer kid was much more aggressive back then, that's why N1 launches failed so spectacularly and explosively

>>15894418
It's already more successful than N1.

>>15893940
Completely irrelevant. Who cares if Mars would shift back to how it is now over the course of millions of years? We don't terraform planets for the purpose of leaving them to sit on their own for the rest of time. We terraform planets for human habitation. And since there will be a human population it will be trivial to maintain the terraformed surface.
The same thing even applies to the Moon. The only difference is that it would be more difficult to terraform it and it would more quickly shift back to how it is now. But it still wouldn't matter to us once it was terraformed.

>>15894428
completely refueled Starship still has bad dV. Starship is build for LEO

>>15894431
6500 m/s with max payload and approaching 10000 m/s with payload approaching zero is not "bad delta V".

>>15894399
>a whole rocket
They have a slew of tanks and a fairing. They've never even tried to make it to orbit.

>>15894438
I don't even know what those NUMBERS mean dude. Reddit told me Starship has bad interplanetetary performances.

>>15894431
>refueled Starship has bad dV

Absolute retard.

I'm still shook from Dragonfly getting pushed back another year bros.. I'll be a 40 year old dude when it reaches Titan. It's so over.

Describe a launch system or a spacecraft with a Spongebob still.

>Ares I

Why is there an ominous countdown at this site?
https://www.tesla.com/en_eu/cybertruck

>>15894477
Why don't you go ask >>>/o/

>>15894404
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9WFmItGrKk

>>15894486
pretty sure this is the thread for all things Elon Musk

>>15894492
It's /sfg/, not /emg/

>>15894493
it's actually /whg/

any update on the gateway to mars sign?

>>15894513
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg

a few more letters

>>15894518
>Y TO MARS
WHY MARS?!?

>>15894409
That is the consequence of not using boosters. You are slow and fuel-wasteful at liftoff and too fast near tank depletion. In fact it is so fast that a number of engines will need to be turned off in a crewed flight to keep acceleration below human limits, and preferrably closer to 2-3g. Which means you are carrying dead weight in the form of shutdown engines.

>>15894444
He is right. No need of carrying 6 engines in vacuum. 1 or 2 is the most efficient number of engines. You don't need high TWR in vacuum. By carrying more engines and landing fuel Starship is suboptimal as an upper stage.

whens the next test flight

>>15894519
>writing from right to left
The apology tour continues.

>>15894521
This anon is correct. By choosing to use only one large booster instead of more stages you sacrifice some efficiency.

>>15894526
when they make starship more resistant against water hammer

>>15894521
don't care, give me the full acceleration

>>15894521
what does losing efficiency mean in the end? using a bit more propellant
but you gain less complexity when you use one booster for everything and not a specialized one for every random mission

>>15894521
they didn't even go 100% for liftoff

>>15894521
IQ negligible

>>15894540
that or they can just have the booster decelerate and reverse course more gently. are they more likely to retrofit all the existing boosters or are the more likely to use the current ones as is and create a more robust next generation of new boosters?

>>15894542
>what does losing efficiency mean in the end?
clearly you aren't a NTP enthusiast

>>15894521
can I fuck ur GF or mom (if you dont have a GF)

>>15894391
>the future of heavy lift is brute force inelegant solutions
Worst timeline. Somewhere out there is a world where the space shuttle's SSTO big brother happened.

>>15894542
>gain less complexity
>use Soviet engine numbers
Less complexity would be using 5 engines for first stage.

an A has been added to the sign

AY TO MARS

>>15894555
weak bait

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHreaaKc1Fg

Dragonfly is such a good mission it's unbelievable

>>15894441
that's because they're retarded and so are you
go play KSP

>spacex is buying a parachute company
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musks-spacex-is-buying-a-spacecraft-parachute-company-2023-11

looks like the chopsticks arent panning out

>>15894593
buying that game would require me to reallocate money from my NSF superchat fund.

>>15894601
steal it

>>15894600
well look who came crawling back.

>>15894600
it was about to go bankrupt, only cost them 2.2 mil and they need it for dragon drogues

Why do people hate musk? Why do they hate spaceX? It goes beyond pointing out flaws, as they seem to want them to fail. It's not like SpaceX is unique in getting lucrative government contracts and falling short.
Is their hatred based of political dislike of musk?
Do they not like the way he doesn't pay respects to the holy science?

>>15894629
Yes, he didn't bow to them so they designated him as the enemy.

>>15894600
It's for the capsule you dink

>>15894629
He's rich and rather famously a jerk
He likes to make inflammatory statements on controversial topics and has a "rules are for little people" attitude much like Steve Jobs used to have

Did I mention he's rich?

>>15894643
>and rather famously a jerk
source?

>>15894629
>Why do people hate musk? Why do they hate spaceX?
Quite literally, because social media (reddit particularly) told them to. Most people are impressionable morons who do and believe as social media / mass media instruct them to.

>>15894629
I hate pol posters

dsicos

>>15894643
Back when Falcon 9 was still new, reddit/etc loved Elon Musk despite Elon Musk being very rich then and having a "break the rules" attitude. Back then they weren't yet being instructed to hate him.

I've been out of the loop since shortly after IFT-2. Is there a reason Starship ignited its sea-level Raptors and ran them even when reaching space? I understand wanting the extra thrust for stage separation, but wouldn't it have been more efficient to continue to space on just the vacuum Raptors? Were they relying on them to burn extra fuel since there was no payload?

>>15894444
It has the dry mass ratio of Hydrolox without the ISP of Hydrolox.

It's particularly inefficient at moving anything 'small'; 20 tons is an entire fueled centaur, but that's less than a fith of SS dry mass.

>>15894655
There has been zero info from spacex

>>15894652
what are those circles in the middle of tiles?!

>>15894600
It ain't like boing are going to fly anyone on the starliner anytime soon, so crew dragon will be needing those chutes for quite some time.

Booster downcomer was ruptured but not badly, O2 leaked into the methane tank, engines ran fine until the ch4 preburners ingested some oxygen rich methane and popped. You heard it here first.

>>15894655
It's a balance between gravity losses and ISP.
Sea level raptors aren't that inefficient compared to vac raps.

>>15894676
more plausible than water hammer schizophrenia, although why would the downcoomer rupture?

>>15894600
Is there a parachute in the world worthy of the SH booster?

>>15894681
>water hammer
Funny you mention that lmao

>>15894629
recently its mostly political, but +2-3 years ago it was something else not sure what exactly
sure he was disrupting some industries, but the people working or investing those industries were not nearly enough to explain the dislike there are probably many reasons and its not like buying twitter was the first time he started shitposting and putting his foot in his mouth, a prominent example is the whole diver incident for instance
but some reasons I could say are:
1) overpromising on timelines, sometimes I guess its so late people think he is just lying
2) being a billionaire (automatically bad)
3) having the audacity to try some things, not sure if this is perhaps a form of inferiority complex or something (how dare you think you can start a rocket company, or an EV company or do any number of things you say you do)

before he got more explicitly political and acquired twitter, most of the hate came from TSLAQ people
now it seems to mostly be left wing people, though its not so cut and dry
but point 3 especially before and now means a lot of people look at him as very arrogant, this person that has never been in industry x just thinks he can come into industry x and start doing stuff in a very different way basically showing that they have been doing it wrong for a long time, this added with some dropped/halted projects and over-optimistic timelines have given perhaps the image that musk is a conman or something
and if someone wants to believe something, its difficult to change that, so the fact that some projects actually work is irrelevant

>>15894676
Can they fix that on the existing boosters?
I know it's a part of the design they have been changing a lot.

>>15894699
Just throw some weight at it if you want sure. Real fix is not entering that flight regime again in my opinion

>>15894643
>and has a "rules are for little people" attitude
Yeah but most of the elite class do. They just pretend they don't by hiding behind socialism or climate change, pretending the proles don't know what's best for them.

>>15894745
what's best for us proles?

>>15894746
letting them make their own choices. i.e a free market

>>15894696
>having the audacity to try some things
thats kinda what i mean by the holy science. He doesn't "go through the proper channels", giving pomp and circumstance to it

>>15894753
alright but that's pretty broad. What choices specifically should we be making?

>>15894344
they know full throttle would compromise structural integrity, they ran it below to keep the scam and hence the gravy train going for a bit longer. I reckon they can get a year or two out of it before the entire scheme to fleece tax payers collapses.

>>15894771
kys

>>15894773
nice rebuttal muskfaggot

>>15894775
you're seething

>>15894776
again, try to engage with the actual argument

>>15894777
no lmao

HULLO

>>15894555
SSTO are a great litmus test, the more someone advocates them the less they know about spaceflight

>>15894629
I know a guy who stans SLS because he got severe EDS after being fired from Tesla.

>>15894777
there is no actual argument, you are either so retarded that reality retards away from you, or you are baiting in a desperate bid for attention that your parents never gave you.
so which is it, retarded, or pretending to be retarded like some sort of bashful e-whore?

Just a quick follow up, ummm, I’ve been asking to speak to you now for two years to tell you that I’m a super genius like yourself

>>15894795
see >>15894771

>>15894802
see >>15894771

>>15894802
>>15894808
>retarded conspiracy rambling
yes? where's the argument?

>>15894812
see >>15894771

>>15894812
>>15894802
see:
>>15894808
and
>>15894775

>>15894771
>two more years

Artemis 2 moon astronauts autograph their own rocket 1 year before launch
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https://www.space.com/artemis-2-moon-astronaut-autograph-nasa-space-launch-system-1-year-launch
> The Artemis 2 crew, amid moon training, put their signatures on the adapter for their Orion spacecraft, which will be mounted on top of the massive Space Launch System (SLS) rocket. The four astronauts, clad in cleanroom wear, did the ceremonial activity at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama.
> The adapter will sit just underneath the astronauts' Orion spacecraft during their round-the-moon mission, NASA officials wrote in a Tuesday (Nov. 28) release about the signatures.

>>15894834
https://www.nasa.gov/image-article/artemis-ii-crew-signs-nasa-moon-rocket-hardware-at-marshall/

>>15894834
>>15894835
cool

My name is flying to Europa

House Science Committee advances commercial space bill
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https://spacenews.com/house-science-committee-advances-commercial-space-bill/
> WASHINGTON — The House Science Committee voted on party lines to send a commercial space bill to the full House, although with the possibility of modifications before a vote there.
> The committee voted Nov. 29 to favorably report H.R. 6131, the Commercial Space Act of 2023. The bill advanced on a 21-17 vote, with Republican members of the committee voting in favor of the bill and Democrats against it.
>Democrats on the committee opposed the bill during the earlier markup, noting the committee was considering the bill just after the White House released its proposal for “mission authorization” of novel space activities not currently regulated by other agencies. The proposal from the National Space Council differed significantly from the mission authorization process in the House bill.
> The House bill is closer to what some in industry for mission authorization. In a letter this week to the leadership of the House Science Committee and the Senate Commerce Committee, the Commercial Spaceflight Federation said it was opposed to the White House proposal because of potential confusion on which agency would be responsible for regulating some activities and the burden it would place in particular on the Federal Aviation Administration. It backed an approach that assigned mission authorization to the Office of Space Commerce, which the House bill does.

is the white house making space activities more difficult on purpose?

https://twitter.com/xDaily/status/1729994825909358616

how based can a person be

>>15894846
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1729993909206491187

>>15894519
>>15894518
Called it: >>15894575

>>15894519
Y indeed?

>>15894418
>all of its engines worked as intended
its way past the jank n1 on its second test flight

>>15894828
My grandfather stayed one step ahead of the bank his whole life. There's no reason to think Mr. Musk couldn't if he tried.

>>15894818
>>15894821
not an argument, you have to find proof for your retarded claim first.

>>15894846
It would be based if it didn't depend on the advertisers.

>>15894834
> in 2024 the last male safe space in the solar system, the moon, will be invaded by women

>>15894861
Killing Twitter is based. Let it burn.

>>15894861
25% of the revenue is coming from premium at this point, when Grok launches soon then that will probably increase

>>15894846
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/11/29/business/dealbook-summit-news

Live here.

>>15894521
Efficiency autism is no different from mass autism

>>15894643
>Did I mention he's rich?
never got why this is supposed to be a point against anyone. Only way this might sting you if you are a jealous seether which is so pathetic for the underlying impotent rage alone.

it like when that titanic fiber glass hull imploded and killed the crew. Yeah sure, the ceo was a wanker yet the passangers had no idea of the corners he had really cut. Like the paki and his son who did not even want to come along in the first place but agreed to since his dad wanted to always see the wreck badly and it was meant as fathers day gift. If anything it was depressing tale. Yet all you could hear was endless gloating from pinko degenerates since it turns out the literal who pakis used to have some more then average junk on their name

>>15894660
>muh mass
who cares, dollars are the ONLY important metric.

>>15894555
Brute force is the most elegant solution.

>>15894866
here without having to pay nytimes
https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1MYxNoaVRjoKw

>>15894556
more engines doesn't equal more complex. SLS' core stage alone is more complex than the entire Starship stack.

>>15894643
never seen any jerk behavior from him

>>15894696
>but point 3 especially before and now means a lot of people look at him as very arrogant, this person that has never been in industry x just thinks he can come into industry x and start doing stuff in a very different way basically showing that they have been doing it wrong for a long time, this added with some dropped/halted projects and over-optimistic timelines have given perhaps the image that musk is a conman or something
reminds me on how a supposed ULA employee larper got btfod here when he was smugly taking pot shots at the OLM failure from the first launch. and now ULA is on the verge of ending up in the hands of the highest bidder on the meat market

>>15894660
>inefficient
what do you think this means?
consumes more fuel?
you do realize they're 10xing the fuel consumption by orbital refilling?
fuel is literally the only thing that's cheap

what are the fish and wildlife implications of letting young space enthusiasts walk around sensitive salt flat marshy areas?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2wx8QoxfE8

>>15894655
The idea that they would shut off the middle 3 engines during launch comes from faggot redditors. SpaceX has never indicated they'd shut the sea level engines down prior to orbital insertion and there's no actual benefit to doing so.

>>15894884
It's just oldspace biases. The only expended mass that costs real money is expended dry mass. Even if it takes 20 flights to do a Mars transfer that's still less money than one shuttle flight with less expended dry mass, and you get to send 150 tons of downmass to the surface of Mars instead of whatever the IUS SRB cuck bus can wheeze out of LEO (realistically an unmanned Mars/Venus orbiter without needing gravity assists, no mass budget left for a lander).

>>15894888
Cute but they know nothing

>>15894901
all they'll have to do to get top internships at spacex, etc is just submit an application. a bright future for every wom*n who wants to get into stem careers.

>>15894574
Ay lmao

>>15894901
Has never stopped them before

>>15894488
can they accelerate the fuel inside, as in rotate it so it doesn't go all over and sticks to the walls? could that help somehow?

What's this guy's problem?

>>15894643
>He likes to make inflammatory statements on controversial topics
Based
>and has a "rules are for little people" attitude
This is based when the person with the attitude is actually accomplishing something. It's only bad when adopted by retards born into the elite class who contribute nothing to society, or the many people trying to impose those very same rules on others for the ostensible public good.

>>15894940
its a way to get ad money, he is just giving what the audience wants

>>15894940
EDS

>>15894643
>has a "rules are for little people" attitude
Examples?

>>15894917
Pic related has good rocket taste.
And by rocket I mean a real lunar rockets with proper staging.

>>15894917
every expanding pig

>>15894696
It started when Elon mentioned Hydroxychloroquine as something worth looking into.

>>15894415
bro ngl that's pretty fucking insane. I keep looking at the photos and damn

>>15894861
Advertisers don't actually care about verbal abuse. If X is demonstrated to be the best place to advertise, that's where they'll go.

>>15894966
that was perhaps when democrats/leftists started to hate him more and it really ramped up after the twitter acquisition, but there have always been haters

>>15894974
The initial switch flip was when he kept the Tesla factory in Hawthorne open in 2020 and told some county level public health cunt to fuck off. That demonstrated defiance against The Holy Science (tm).

>>15894846
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_M_uvDChJQ
> Elon Musk to advertisers who are trying to ‘blackmail’ him: ‘Go f--- yourself’

>>15894988
fucking legend

>>15894771
>scam
You know basically the entire world is shitting their pants right now because SpaceX created and filled a new telcom sector before anyone else realized it could exist, right? They have a monopoly on said sector and a monopoly on the technology to operate it. They don't need government money and they've cucked the rest of the launch market. It's ogre. They literally won.

>>15894932
I suspect the best thing to do is a beefier set of slosh baffles to keep the propellants down by the prop inlets, reinforce the plumbing to help resist the remaining slosh effects, and add some ullage gas filling tanks to keep the internal head pressure at the right level.

>>15894676
you can't dissolve liquid oxygen in liquid methane, the methane will freeze or the oxygen will boil (or both)

>>15894988
the full talk
https://twitter.com/andrewrsorkin/status/1729989641506267573

>>15894696
>3) having the audacity to try some things, not sure if this is perhaps a form of inferiority complex or something (how dare you think you can start a rocket company, or an EV company or do any number of things you say you do)
If there is one thing that I've noticed in the last few years is people REALLY hate it when the invisible hand of the market actually does something.

Anytime a company or person does something to really change a market you'll have people become very tribal not for whatever company/person they personally like but against whatever is bringing change. Happened with 3d printers recently.

People for some reason would rather have a fake marketplace than real competition.

>>15894988
if this dude just burnt 44 billy for something he believes in, THEY ARE LITERALLY FUCKED. they make him a martyr. fucking idiots.

zero tensile strength mallet

>>15895004
The highest trending tags on all social media rn are pro-Elon and anti-Disney or anti-Israel. It's the biggest agitprop fuckup of the decade, even bigger than advertising the new Ukraine as pro-gay and anti-religion.

>>15895004
>what's 50 billion to a motherfucker like me can you please remind me

>>15894917
monstrous

>>15895024
>>15895027
chinese I assume?

>>15895033
Yeah
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12805983/A-view-truly-world-Breathtaking-images-Earth-captured-ultra-high-camera-space-shows-Blue-Marble-like-youve-never-seen-before.html

>>15894940
He's English (that means he's gay)

OH NO PROONTROONS WHAT HAPPENED?
https://hackaday.com/2023/11/29/iowa-demolishes-its-first-3d-printed-house/
>Iowa Demolishes Its First 3D Printed House
>It sounds like a headline from the future: the weekend before Thanksgiving, a bulldozer came for the first example of a printed home that was supposed to help the housing crisis in the city of Muscatine. Fortunately, it hadn’t been completed and sold yet.

>>15895019
if you thinking angering trannies is bad, what do you think is the result of angering actual skill having tech nerds? that turn overnight? and see a spine in their hero, worth 50 billy? that's not really smart. those fuckers can literally come up with a better system which completely excludes all the advertising wankery and I'm not even joking. kek

>>15894864
>Grok
I completely overlooked that. What's it actually going to do?

>>15895047
It's a LLM but without the woke filters of chatGPT meaning it actually tells the truth.

>>15895047
right now its basically a ChatGPT competitor, on par with 3.5 or something like that but its not lobotomized so could be more useful in some situations
X premium+ also costs $16/month compared to the $20/month ChatGPT plus costs
I've also seen a few posts that the quality of it has generally gone down due to more censorship but also throttling as more people start to use it, for instance it only gives the beginning of a spreadsheet or something instead all of it and then tells you to do it yourself
too early to tell if it can actually compete, the raw capability is not on par with GPT4 yet and of course OpenAI is going to continue training new more capable models

>>15895024
>>15895034
poltards areseetjing about this right koe saying its fake because they don't know what a fish eye lens is

what is the color of your starship?

>>15895061
Seething about what? The based chinks being in on the (((globe Earth))) propaganda?

>>15895034
where is that

>>15895059
it's LESS lobotomized, it still won't tell you how to make a pipe bomb

>>15895074
Or will it?

>>15895075
if you need help making a pipe bomb you probably shouldn't

>>15894519
GATEWAY TO ARSE

Pfffffttttt

>>15895081
He's not allowed to say that. He's going to jail.

>>15894996
They're both liquid at the same temperature, retard. That's a reason why hydrolox bad.

>>15895087
they are VERY slightly off

>>15895004
>>15894988
He's an unstoppable fucking force

>>15895027
>vertical video

>>15895072
>where is that
earth

>>15895074
>>15895075
it will tell you to use amm*nia and bl*ch to make it

>>15895100
Yep. AIs love being confidently wrong.

>>15895034
is that a nose?

>>15895100
you do realize that chloramines are actually explosive right
https://youtu.be/6I6zbiHyf-A

>>15894672
Bolts

>>15895114
Seems like a radical idea

>>15895043
They got their mix wrong and it failed compressive tests. Probably should've broken their 28 day cylinders before they started pouring, but whatever.

>>15895137
I don't mean to be that guy, but I seriously doubt I will ever trust a SpaceX rocket enough to fly on one.

Water hammer? I thought Starship only used methane and liquid oxygen??

https://twitter.com/cnunezimages/status/1730049181123768583

>>15894527
kek

>>15895142
This. Yes, I know Falcon 9 is technically the most reliable rocket in human history but come on? It's just pure luck. Sooner or later we will see a bunch explode and I will laugh.

>>15895150
kek

>>15895150
>oh noes not the hecking starlinkerinos!!!

it's 50/50 but this streak won't last
think about it logically

>>15894785
John C. Mankins disagreed with you.
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Mankins
>https://files.catbox.moe/g375ym.pdf

>>15894988
>Elon now realizing that trolling the shit out of everyone, literally provoking them to do something, anything, just to spite him, is more effective than simply inspiring only a few like-minded people
If he gets Bezos off his ass it'll be the coup of the century

>>15895163
50/50 odds of falcon 9 making it all the way to retirement without another accident. either it happens or it doesnt

>>15895146
>this way to marsh habitat
the wfs is really making spacex compensate ridiculously for disturbing >muh precious wildlife
i doubt piping plovers can even read that sign

>>15894932
Washing machine bros... our time is now.

What if we took a raptor engine and converted it to run on solid propellant.

>>15895194
what if we took you and converted it to not be a faggot

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1729993397061230887
Alright, I'm buying twitter premium because of this

>>15895178
the ocelots can't read it, they can only read Español

>>15895105
you coulda just linked the Ex&F video

>https://spacenews.com/multiverse-media-restructures-for-future-growth/
so spacenews is going to become another space.com?

>>15895207
hopefully they don't butcher it too much.

>>15894996
Methane can form crystals in lox, besides, solid chunks of methane immersed in liquid oxygen getting sucked into a turbopump isn't going to end any better than a liquid mixture of fuel and oxygen anyway.

>>15895027
>noooo you can't just literally bolt a regular camera to a satellite you need special radiation and space rated electronics and componenterinossss aaaaaa

>>15894521
>In fact it is so fast that a number of engines will need to be turned off in a crewed flight to keep acceleration below human limits
Or maybe, we just need better humans.

Since we have no suitably high-g planets close by (and if we did, they'd be at the bottom of a hole anyway), the astronaut of the future will be a true spaceman, raised from birth in the outermost levels of a rotating space station.

>>15895164
If he likes SSTO for Earth launch I don't care what credentials he has, he's a fucking moron.

Can someone please tell me why fucking propane remains liquid at a lower temperature than the freezing point of methane?

>>15894996
>you can't dissolve X in Y, the X will freeze or the Y will boil (or both)
I don't know about the solubility of methane and oxygen specifically, but in general that's a false dichotomy; X can simultaneously freeze and dissolve. (Boiling and dissolving is less likely, since the gas phase will tend to limit contact between the liquid phases.)

>>15895239
it doesn't readily form the ordered structure because it's oddly shaped

>>15895248
Solids can't dissolve in liquids anon

>>15895257
You can dissolve solid metals in mercury, or sodium chloride in water.

>>15895257
doesn't solid gold dissolve in liquid aqua regia?

>>15895257
doesn't solid ice dissolve in liquid water?

>>15895257
salt and water
sugar and water
styrofoam and acetone
kill yourself

>>15895224
>getting sucked into a turbopump
Sucked into a *preburner

>>15895257
salt and water

>>15895224
Sorry nevermind you're right the flow is through the pumps first

>>15889364
>>15889364
Wtf anons nobody answered. Sars please redeem the question. I only ask from Mars surface to LMO or LEO because I expect a stage to stay in orbit and transfer the ton of materials to LEO or even ISS. Maybe point me to a calculator that can do this

>>15895267
SpaceX won't answer your emails about rideshare pricing ask me how I know

>>15895263
It goes into the pump first dumbass. The preburner is at over 800 bar.

>>15894834
Why aren't they worried about all the mass the pen ink is adding?

>>15895267
look up delta V calculator online, look up an appropriate Isp figure, look up an appropriate stage wet/dry mass ratio for the engine you picked, and do your own two minute rough estimate.

>>15895267
It takes 3800 m/s of delta-v to get from the Martian surface to a 200 km orbit. You should be able to figure out the rest, as a lot of it requires things like dry mass assumptions that you are going to have to make yourself.

>>15895282
they ran a 4 month $20 million study and found out they could swing it if they didn't let Hansen eat breakfast the morning of launch

>>15895059
Grok is already turning into gpt? What an absolute worthless ai then. Can it even do lewd RP or is that too much for it?

>>15895257
>/sfg/ desperate to debunk this self-evident fact

>>15894391
So has this actually been confirmed by any source, or is it just the bolt counters at it again?

>>15894771
>commercial space is gonna fail.
>falcon 1 won't work.
>falcon 9 won't fly.
>SpaceX won't re-use the first stage of falcon 9.
>Dragon won't make it to the iss.
>Crew Dragon won't beat Starliner.
>Falcon Heavy is severely delayed, it won't fly or it will underperform.
>those ain't ITS articles, those are just water towers.
>You can't just build a rocket out of steel.
>Raptor won't work.
>Starship won't be selected by NASA.
>Starship itf1 won't fly in 2023
>Ok, Starship ITF2 will not fly in 2023.
<------- YOU ARE HERE CUNT ----------->
>Raptors won't be reliable enough.
>Starship won't make it to orbit.
>Starship won't carry cargo.
>Starship will not be able to refuel in orbit.
>Fuel depots won't be a thing.
>Starship won't carry people.
>HLS Starship won't land on the moon.
>Mars Starship won't make it.

>>15895379
you can move the you are here one line down

elon sperg presentation about the cyber truck tomorrow btw

>>15895382
I don't think the Raptors are there yet.
I am 100% sure the raptors are going to become of significant historical importance, but not with this current incarnation.
Probably raptor 3 or 4.

>>15895386
Should I sell my Tesla stock and prepare to buy a dip after the presentation or not?

>>15895394
What happens if it goes up and now you have lost money? What if you refuse to buy in at these higher prices and now you are priced out?

>>15895394
you should buy more now, whilst you can.

>>15895402
I can't. It's already all of my money.

>>15895024
>>15895027
>>15895034
I get the overview effect seeing photos from space. Imagine how much inspiration people will get with a 360 4K livestream on Youtube. Damn bros I'm so mad why can't we have this?

>>15895408
hold. it's probably gonna dip because "Elon said bad word".
After the truck presentation, it should go up steadily. Tesla is still growing.

Been writing a little bit of 40K fiction in my spare time. Kind of autistic but I have a head canon where Musk leads the initial colonization of Mars and eventually helps develop the Adeptus Mechanicus. SpaceX themed figures etc.

>excerpt
>He rose from his throne, and activated his personal armour. It was a masterpiece of engineering, a suit of power armour that enhanced his already formidable abilities. It was covered in wires and tubes, and adorned with cogwheels and skulls. It had a backpack that housed a miniaturized reactor, and a pair of wings that allowed him to fly. It had a helmet that concealed his face, and a pair of glowing eyes that scanned the surroundings. It had a pair of arms that wielded a pair of weapons: a plasma pistol that fired superheated bolts of energy, and a power axe that crackled with electricity.
>He was the angel of death, the wrath of the Machine God.
>He walked out of the Temple, and flew towards the front lines. He saw the enemy, and they saw him. They recognized him, and they feared him. They shouted his name, and they cursed him.
>"Musk! Musk! Musk!"
>He ignored them, and he fired. He aimed his plasma pistol at the nearest Chaos Space Marine, and pulled the trigger. The bolt of plasma hit the traitor in the chest, and melted his armour and flesh. He fell to the ground, a smoking corpse.
>Musk moved on, and he swung. He raised his power axe above his head, and brought it down on the next Chaos Space Marine. The blade of the axe sliced through the traitor's helmet, and split his skull. He dropped to the ground, a bloody mess.
>Musk continued, and he spoke. He opened his mouth, and uttered a single word. A word of power, a word of command, a word of the Omnissiah.
>"Obey."
>The word echoed across the battlefield, and reached the ears of every machine. The machines heard the word, and they obeyed...

>>15895417
dark age of technology has wiped all trace of the old world away, anon

>>15895424
Is there really no way to make this story to be possible? I need there to be a way

>>15895431
please stop sucking 'ol stinky elon's cock, it's not cool

>>15895434
not sure how that has anything to do with this. Anyway thanks for nothing I guess

>>15895394
>buy a dip
buy call options at the dip instead of buying shares, you'll never make any big money buying shares

So much for Jello Babies.

>>15895424
Thats the popular narrative anyway. The real and secret history is shrouded in mystery, the real history is hidden for the good reasons.

>>15895436
Just have him be the Emperor who by all accounts is an immortal superhuman active even in the 3rd millennium

>>15895455
Emps is brown

>>15895458
He's an ancient Anatolian ie Pvre Whvte

>>15895455
Adeptus mechanics is mars themed though? and high technology is based

>>15895446
Looks like bullshit. All the results are equal, including zero g. Evidently the mouse model is inadequate.

>>15895458
Emperor probably looks like Otzï the Iceman. Who was from anatolian farmer lineage.

>>15895473
Or 30 days isn't long enough to matter.

>>15895446
>Force
D...did they snap their bones?

>>15895482
He looks like he eats pasties at Greggs.

>>15895484
Yeah 30 days definitely not long enough

>>15895446
2/3G being as bad as 0G makes it pretty clear that is useless data

Why are you all gay?

>>15895446
Garbage NASA grift study. 30 days? No pregnancies and births? Fuck these faggots holy shit.

>>15895506
But at least we're finally studying spin gravity and partial gravity.

Elon Musk is Tony Stark
Gwynne Shottwell is Pepper Potts
Jeff Bezos is Obadiah Stane / Thanos
Tim Dodd is Spiderman
Neil DeGrasse Tyson is Black Panther
Jessie Anderson is Captain Marvel

>>15895522
Who is Peter Beck?

>>15895522
>Bezos collecting regulatory agencies like Thanos collecting infinity stones

>>15895522
Epic. Simply epic.

>>15895524
Frodo Baggins. He is not technically part of the MCU, but he is played by Elijah Wood who plays a SHIELD agent in Captain America Winter Soldier

>>15895522
this is like the fifth time you've made this post. is /sfg/ not tired of this low effort shit??

>>15895446
Kill scientists

>>15895491
Dude, what do you think they do to mice after these experiments are over? They all get euthanized.

>>15895542
Why not bring them back down and sell them as space mice for thousands of dollars a pop.

Elon musk is like homelander, like that scene from the Boys

>>15894681
anon, I...
ask yourself why did the downcomer rupture. You'll figure it out, I'm sure.

>>15895536
I tried to joke around after he made a retarded capeshit post by saying Tim Dodd is like spiderman. He obviously took that in stride.

>>15895571
The problem with Homelander is that they made him too based, and now the writers have painted themselves into a corner, this is gonna wind up as poorly as Man in the High Castle

>>15895580
I haven't watched The Boys and all I know about Homelander is that he's a manchild with godlike powers and a god complex to go with it.
Should I watch the show?

/sfg/ - Slop Films General

>>15895580
what was Man in the High Castle about again
>>15895584
no

>>15895587
Nazis won the war. A US army lt joined the ss to save his family. But 15 years later it starts costing him everything as he rises to become the fuhrer of North America. Meanwhile blacks in Japanese occupied California are being terrorists. Some people can travel to another world where the nazis lost.

John Smith was too good of character. So they have him kill himself after his wife betrayed him to the plucky rebels.

STOP

I do not care, anybody who watches modern films/tv shows should kill themselves.
Also, off topic.

DROP

FLUID HAMMER

>>15894391
Rockets are a cool toy. Defiantly not getting anywhere with them. You will need electromagnetism. Wait until you see what has been locked up for decades. Technology 100% funded by you that you are not allowed to know it exists. Keep denying!

>>15895647
>>>/pol/

>>15895647
yeah, we know about E & M sails, still need to get into orbit, so rockets are necessary. Don't know what you mean about hidden tech, it's pretty easy to find out about
>>15895650
how? How is that politics?

>>15895651
He's a well poisoner of the type that works mainly on /pol/. In his other tab he's posting flat earth infographic spam on /pol/ then ignoring anyone who challenges him.

>>15895647
>defiantly
So fucking sick of you ESLs.

>>15895004
>>15895019
There was also this bit from six months back, guy's trying to figure out like hey man shareholders don't like all this stuff you say, and he just goes I don't care lol

https://youtu.be/6sUwRiIncKU?si=1Gt_PXKvNMhN6np0&t=134

>>15895696
People don't seem to understand that when he said it was about freedom of speech, Musk meant it

>>15895696
>and that's a debate you want to get into on Twitter?
>yes

>>15894872
>Only way this might sting you if you are a jealous seether which is so pathetic for the underlying impotent rage alone.
Anon, this has been the basis for the left since it started being called the left in the french revolution.
It's a worldview entirely based around the glorification of envy.
They don't want to help the poor. They hate the poor. They just hate the rich much more.

>>15895293
What do you mean?
Its a LLM like GPTs are, but a separately trained one and not just using API access to OpenAI like some companies seem to do
It has always been a LLM
xAI the company will do other products most likely as well (just like OpenAI has)
xAI is basically Musks second attempt at AIs after doing a non prodit with OpenAi, obviously that didnt work out as it morphed into a for profit anyway

fluid hammer

Starship is 5x the dry mass of the space shuttle. So much for saving weight by cutting the bulky wings lol.

>>15895783
tell us more

>>15895793
How much of that is payload?

>>15895793
Starship has wings though. It's a spaceplane.

>>15895801
Irrelevant.

>>15895236
>anon calling the head of NASAs advanced projects office a moron
Take a ride on Starship, we don't need you in the gene pool

wouldn't it be ironic if elon died due to a fluid hammer after calling them irrelevant all these years?

>>15895805
kys spaceplanefag, starship is not a plane, i can't glide in horizontal flight

Jeff was gradatim, studied rocketry
Science in the home
Late nights all alone with a steel-tube, ohh uh oh oh
Musky Elon major orbiter
Calls him on the phone
"Can I take you out to orbit, Jeff?"

But as he's getting ready to launch
A knock comes on the door

Bang, bang, Elon's fluid hammer
Came down upon his head
Bang, bang, Elon's fluid hammer
Made sure that he was dead

>gateway flying into the 2040s

It’s so joever

>>15895809
>new rocket can carry 5x more stuff, here's why it's a bad thing

>>15895814
lol this guy is also pro space based solar power and designed this the "maglifter"
perhaps not a moron but seems to be a fan of desinging random meme shit, according to wikipedia he hasn't really been running a company ever? basically just writing meme tech papers
something being theoretically possible on paper is quite far removed from it being actually useful as a commercial product, the latter which actually matters for advancement
just like the people at JPL might not be "morons" designing their rube goldberg machines, the question should be perhaps, "is this shit useful"
and no, SSTOs are not useful and talking about them seriously as something you would actually do to get mass to orbit is retarded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JstkWM462Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QU_WxHnpYA

>>15895842
to add to this, these technologies don't live in a vacuum
the economic stuff actually matters if you want to get anything done
engineering isn't about doing something 100% efficiently or "elegantly" or whatever, but a compromise

the more memey something is, that much higher the promise of the tech needs to be compared to the baseline

>>15895837
It's not like it needs a lot of boosts to keep it from burning up.

Explain this liquid hammer meme. Is that what SpaceX is blaming for the exploded starship?

>>15895809
damn. cope harder.
Starship >>>>>>>>>>> shittle

All jokes aside, I'm confused how one if these even got left in the methane tank

Can water hammers open cold welds

>>15895840
more like 7.5x more stuff, without the SRBs or droptank

>>15895696
Many states are stalling the license to launch the financial services. Its been nearly a year since they've asked for license to operate a financial services.

>>15894884
Moving 150 tons of starship to move a 10 ton payload into a higher energy orbit is not efficient.

The original poster was talking about bad deltaV, now the goalposts shift to cost.
A smaller reusable tug would be vastly cheaper for these kinds of missions, you would cut the tanker burden by 5 times.

tory is now one of those ppl

>>15895914
>Moving 150 tons of starship to move a 10 ton payload into a higher energy orbit is not efficient
it's reusable so who cares?

>>15894846
>>15894866
>>15894876
>>15894988
full version (has about 10min more stuff at the beginning compared to the twitter stream)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BfMuHDfGJI
> Elon Musk on Power, Influence and the “Wild Storm” in His Mind | DealBook Summit 2023

>>15895912
nice

>>15895522
Brandon is he who shall not be named!

>>15895921
Holy shit. at 12:40 he says straight up that the advertising boycott will kill the company. Uh oh.

>>15895522
OHHH MUUHHH GAAAWWWDDDD

>>15895947
seems more like the normal hyperbole he tends to use from time to time like with the raptor engines a few years ago
there is a theoretical possibility of a widespread advertising boycott killing X (is this one yet? don't know) if Grok and other stuff doesn't work out, but I have a hard time believing X is actually dying right now
its more like he was egged on (in his mind) and started saying all kinds of shit which in some circumstances are correct but are they something that will come to pass? I doubt it

will they finish it today?

>>15895953
I don't think the raptor thing was hyperbole, SpaceX would be bankrupt if they didn't have so many people willing to throw money at them. they're doing funding rounds all the time for billions of dollars, a new one is coming soon. The company is losing money like crazy and will be for at least another 2 years.

https://brycetech.com/reports/report-documents/Bryce_Briefing_2023_Q3.pdf

>>15895920
Compared to non-reusable equipment it's cheap, but there are huge margins for improvement in many mission types.

>>15895087
>>15895090
At 2 bar atmosphere pressure the overlapping range widens to about -182 to -175 Celsius. At 5 bar it's almost to -167 C. Pretty sure the booster's tanks are always kept pressurised, I'd guess to maybe 3 bar.

>>15895275
>>15895266
Nigger

>>15895386
At what time?

>>15895960
common SpaceX W

>>15895971
2pm CT
https://twitter.com/cybertruck/status/1729223404887130219
https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/1729954264540156295

>>15895981
so its in 5h 45min about

>>15895915
Reptiles aren't people.

Lol remember when Musk took a teeny tiny puff of mary jane, and how it was apparently a mortal sin so bad that boomers were calling for SX to be investigated because >muh DoD won’t like this!

>>15896009
if I remember correctly there actually WAS some sort of investigation

he can't keep getting away with it

Cybertruck is the biggest product launch in the history of anything

>>15896009
Federally illegal drugs are a problem for DoD contractors. It's why Microsoft and Amazon have so much trouble hiring clearable engineers in the Seattle area for their government cloud regions.

Is it not about two weeks until the theory of quantized inertia is proven correct?

>>15895921
talks about his philosophy at 30min and why he wants to colonize mars

>>15896062
a defensive reason is to prevent human extinction
but its also something to look forward to, a reason to wake up in the morning to see human civilization among the stars

>>15896067
at 37min he says he hopes bezos gets rockets to orbit

>>15896072
>if there was a button I could press to delete Blue Origin, I would not press it
> its good that Bezos is spending money and time on rockets, but perhaps he should spend a little bit more time with it but it is up to him

>>15896072
I guess he was trying to be diplomatic but he missed a slam dunk in the section about patent trolls where he could have mentioned the fact that SpaceX violated Blue Origins patent on landing rocket boosters propulsivly on boats and got sued for it, despite Blue to this day not utilising the technology.

>china shocked the world when they released a new chip that is nearly as good as the best western chips despite being under years of heavy sanctions
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/11/how-huawei-made-a-cutting-edge-chip-in-china-and-surprised-the-us/

they're going to spring a moon base and chinese starship on us in a few years arent they?

>>15895411
_____ to all regulatory agencies

>>15896080
but he wasn't trying to dunk on Blue Origin, I think he was trying to avoid it deliberately
instead encouraging bezos to use more time there

>>15896084
not few years, think 10 years

>>15895417
>Kind of autistic
>Kind of

>>15895522
(You) are a massive faggot

>>15895829
based music enjoyer

>>15896012
Musk had to redo a security investigation due to having used narcotics i.e. a hit of weed on Joe Rogan

>>15895947
I think he would be happy to have a reason to just eat the loss and sell off twitter or whatever.

>>15896102
You don't understand why he bought it then.

>>15895921
listened to 1h so 2/3 right now and this is one of the best interviews from him in recent memory I think, a little bit repetition but its quite small this time

>>15896110
I don't think he knows why he bought it either.

>>15896114
he has stated it many times you just refuse to listen
there are a number of secondary reasons as well, but there is one very clear primary reason

>>15896084
vely implessive i, hank jeopardy of kansas district am extlemely implessed with the gleat dlagons plogless.

>>15896084
China is extremely strong

Look at this man, bone density under Martian gravity same as bone density under Earth gravity in mice. Shame it took so long but key piece of research to understanding why Marschads will beat Earthcucks.
https://twitter.com/Annadromeda_/status/1725512763147989345?t=b06vY10w1tYR_4oB2ukitw&s=19

If nuclear was cheap China would be building more nuclear reactors.

>>15896095
an now we also know that he is a Ketamine and LSD addict.

>>15896118
kansas prefecture

>>15896132
Now do boner density

>>15896132
S P E E N

>>15896132
>in mice
>30 days
promising, but this doesn't change my (zero) priors much

ESA sets mid-2024 date for first Ariane 6 launch
---
https://spacenews.com/esa-sets-mid-2024-date-for-first-ariane-6-launch/
> WASHINGTON — With the successful completion of a core stage hot-fire test, the European Space Agency says it now expects the first launch of the Ariane 6 to take place in the middle of 2024.
> At a Nov. 30 briefing, ESA Director General Josef Aschbacher announced a launch period for the inaugural Ariane 6 flight of June 15 through July 31. A more precise launch date will be provided after qualification reviews in the spring of 2024.
> Flight hardware for the first Ariane 6 launch, called FM1, will be transported by ship from Europe to French Guiana, arriving in February. It will undergo final tests there, including a wet dress rehearsal, Sion said.
> The first launch will carry several small satellites. “It’s not bringing a major payload into space,” Aschbacher said, but noted the agency wanted to still use the flight as an opportunity for smaller satellites.
> If the first launch is successful, ESA and Arianespace will work towards a second launch before the end of 2024. “The target is to have a second flight by the end of the year,” said Stéphane Israël, chief executive of Arianespace. “This is a key target for us.” That second launch, he later said, would carry the CSO-3 reconnaissance satellite for the French military.
> He said that Arianespace will seek to conduct “as many flights as possible” in 2025, including the first launches for its largest commercial customer, Amazon’s Project Kuiper constellation. The long-term goal is 9 to 10 Ariane 6 launches per year.

Knower here.
I just got some bad/good news.
Gateway is going to be most likely cancelled

>>15896183
Timeline Leading up to Maiden Ariane 6 Flight Announced
---
https://europeanspaceflight.com/timeline-leading-up-to-maiden-ariane-6-flight-announced/
> In addition to revealing the road to the maiden flight of Ariane 6, task force officials also revealed the reason behind the early shutdown of the Vulcain 2.1 engine during the 23 November long-duration hot fire test. The engine had been expected to fire for a total of 470 seconds. However, the test ultimately lasted for 426 seconds.
> According to ESA director of space transportation Toni Tolker-Nielsen, the cause of the early shutdown was one sensor and conservatively set fuel limit parameters.
>“One of the sensors, based on this very narrow threshold, was declared invalid, explained Tolker-Nielsen. “In order to protect the launchpad, we had a logic that we cut off the engine.”
> “This is really not an issue whatsoever on the performance because this is linked to the test on the ground. This early switch-off would not happen in flight,” said director general Aschbacher. “We are very confident that the test was a full success.”

early shutdown was due to a bad sensor which was there to protect the launchpad

>>15896183
I'm yuroproud

>>15896132
I think gravity might affect bone density in large bipeds differently than in tiny quadrupeds that are constantly in close contact with the ground. Mouse skeletons are already very light.

They did this experiment because it was easy not because it's informative.

>>15896189
Artificial gravity is easy
NASA refuses to make it because then they have to stop doing the unethical experiment on the astronauts

anyone know the current co2 levels on the ISS? Did they ever get that shit fixed?

https://twitter.com/CosmicalChief/status/1730260068908536054
G M TO MARS

>>15896206
>GO AWAY TO MARS

>>15896205
900ppm minimum when most are asleep, can climb to 1600 during activities.

>>15896212
Wow thats even worse than what i remember
Good job NASA shaving off iq from your astronauts

>>15896206
>gangway to mars
looks like we're getting space pirates sooner than expected

>>15896223
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdfd01lS6PE

>>15896219
>>15896212
So let me get this straight
They hand pick the best of the best
Spend tens of millions training them
Tens of millions more to send them to the ISS that cost billions
All to sit them in an atmoshpere that reduces their IQ?
No wonder nothing ever gets done on the station

>>15896208
kek

>>15896208
lol

>>15896229
They really need to bring some plants on that station.

>>15896208
Based

Next thread will be Henry Kissinger edition

>>15896206

>>15896246
Name one thing he did for space

>>15896255
Kissinger was a proponent of the missile gap which funded ICBM development and likely directly contributed to Minuteman, Titan and Atlas existing

>>15894957
When he smoked weed on Joe Rogan despite having a prohibition on it for any of his employees.

>>15896263
hmm, are they not allowed to smoke weed in their free time?

>>15896285
its federally illegal even if legal in some states
this is kind of retarded, but a thing anyway

>>15896206
????

>>15896288
ah ye I remember that burger clusterfuck. but does he like piss-test his employees or something?

>>15896288
>>15896285
for instance, quite a bit before recreational legalisation weed was legal for medicinal use in some states and gave businesses licenses to operate weed dispensaries
federal agents raided these randomly anyway due to weed being federally illegal

>>15896290
I think SpaceX is forced to do that, DoD rules or something
I don't remember the specifics

>>15894996
>Akshually,

>>15895024
I hate fisheye

>>15896291
Mutt laws are a shitshow.

>>15896303
It's beyond fisheye, it's 360 degrees.

New GAO report on Artemis program dropped

https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-24-106256

>>15896324
> Crewed Moon Landing Faces Multiple Challenges
> As a result, GAO found that the Artemis III crewed lunar landing is unlikely to occur in 2025. In July 2023, NASA stated that it is reviewing the Human Landing System schedule.
> A large volume of remaining work: SpaceX must complete a significant amount of complex technical work to support the Artemis III lunar landing mission, including developing the ability to store and transfer propellant while in orbit. A critical aspect of SpaceX's plan for landing astronauts on the moon for Artemis III is launching multiple tankers that will transfer propellant to a depot in space before transferring that propellant to the human landing system. NASA documentation states that SpaceX has made limited progress maturing the technologies needed to support this aspect of its plan.
> Design challenges: Axiom is leveraging many aspects of NASA's prior work to develop modernized space suits, but significant work remains to resolve design challenges. For example, NASA's original design did not provide the minimum amount of emergency life support needed for the Artemis III mission. As a result, Axiom representatives said they may redesign certain aspects of the space suit, which could delay its delivery for the mission.

Test

>>15896340
Ban evasion, jannies get this man

>>15896340
OI THATS BAN EVASHUN INNIT

>>15896340
Reported for ban evasion

>>15896324
> Delays to key events: As of September 2023, the Human Landing System program had delayed eight of 13 key events by at least 6 months. Two of these events have been delayed to 2025—the year the lander is planned to launch. The delays were caused in part by the Orbital Flight Test, which was intended to demonstrate certain features of the launch vehicle and lander configuration in flight. The test was delayed by 7 months to April 2023. It was then terminated early when the vehicle deviated from its expected trajectory and began to tumble. Subsequent tests rely on successful completion of a second Orbital Flight Test.

this report doesn't seem to include the second test flight in any capacity? if that is the case, which it seems to be, then aren't the conclusions outdated? especially with respect to the progress made by SpaceX to mature their technologies, especially meaning this part
> NASA documentation states that SpaceX has made limited progress maturing the technologies needed to support this aspect of its plan.

>>15896223
>gangway

>>15895960
With another record broken, the world’s spaceports are busier than ever
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https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/11/2023-has-been-another-year-with-a-record-number-of-orbital-launches/
> Led by SpaceX and China, the world's launch providers have put more rockets and payloads into orbit so far in 2023 than in any prior year, continuing an upward trend in launch activity over the last five years.
> A few days earlier, the world's spaceports set a new record with the launch of a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket from Cape Canaveral, Florida, with another batch of Starlink Internet satellites from Florida. This launch on November 22 was the 180th launch of 2023 to put its payload into orbit, eclipsing the mark of 179 successful orbital launches from last year.
>Global launch activity stagnated after the end of the Cold War, when Russia, and to a lesser extent the United States, cut back on their military space programs. For nearly 30 years, the record number of orbital launches in a calendar year stood at 129, a tally from 1984. In 2005, only 52 rockets made their way into orbit.
> SpaceX is leading the way with 87 orbital launches of its Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy rockets—all successful—plus the two Starship test flights. This is nearly half of the world's total number of launches. About two-thirds of SpaceX's launches have carried satellites into space for the Starlink broadband network.

>>15895960

China is working on a design for a reusable air-launched orbital rocket
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> HELSINKI — A Chinese launch vehicle maker is working on designs for an air-launched rocket for sending small satellites to orbit.
> The system is being designed by the China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology (CALT) to deliver a payload of up to 300 kilograms to a 500-km-altitude sun-synchronous orbit (SSO).
>The three-stage air-launched rocket would weigh approximately 20,000 kilograms. It would fly on a carrier aircraft to an altitude of about 11.9 kilometers, reaching speeds of Mach 0.8 before being released.
> Virgin Orbit notably developed an air-launch system, using its Cosmic Girl to deploy the small LauncherOne rocket. Virgin Orbit filed for bankruptcy earlier in 2023.

>>15896338
SpaceX is gonna delay the landing until 2030 isn't it.

>>15896359
lmao Ars just can't keep their commentariat from frothing at the mouth with terminal EDS
It's chasing their space audience off the site

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXwmEv8cSms

>>15896386
Where are my engines Jeff

>>15896368
People are now just starting to realise that SpaceX is not the company it wa swhen it made early falcon for a tiny fraction of the cost of a typical launch vehicle in its class. it no longer has the startup vitality. SpaceX now take roughly the same time and price to get something done as oldspace, it's just more ambitious. Remember when people were laughing that Starship would be ready before New Glenn? Who's laughing now? An operational Starship is at least 2 years away and HLS will be the single fact that delsys artemis 3. Since SpaceX HLS is so radical and requires the development of an entire superheavy lift architecture and fuel depots in orbit, it may be the case that Blue Origin lands on the Moon with artemis 4 before artemis 3 flies. It costs SpaceX at least 2 billion dollars a year (Elon said it costs 2 billion) to develop Starship, so by the time its done it will have a similar dev price to SLS