/sci/ - Science & Math

why did some tiles fall off but most stayed on?

hows megabay 2 doing?

>>15880711
They've put in elevator shafts and it looks like they were placing concrete on the ground floor today.

FIRST POST for Tory Bruno of the United Launch Alliance!

>>15880717
fail this is 4th post

anyone got the most up to date ringwatchers charts?

>>15880722
just go in to their 'cord and get it yourself.

>>15880724
no. spoonfeed me

>>15880725
kill yourself!

>>15880727
no. kill me yourself

https://archive.allsky.tv/PUB/ALLSKY7_NK_ROCKET_2023_11_21.mp4

kino

>>15880710
wetbacks

>>15880728
fucking lazy bastard. do you expect me to pay for your mars ticket too??

>>15880730
Imagine how much felongated huskrat seethed when the Progressive and Socialist Koreans beat his shiny dick compensator into outer space. Biden should nationalize T*sla immediately!

Martian Lego houses

>>15880751
wait a sec...

>>15880717
Dolce Gabbana Salvatore, this dude is more interested in tailored suits.

>what happened to the game show that was supposed to send someone to the iss on dragon?
>what happened to tom cruise going to the iss?

>>15880771
gosh I am sleepy tonight. headed to bed!

>>15880771
>what happened to tom cruise going to the iss?
Chink flu happened. I will never forgive the Chinese for this.

>>15880777
Shitty bugmen need ASAT correction.

uuoooohhhh bratty taikonaut

>>15875709
>>15875736
so like dude, if the internal slushing is like totally not cool with negative g-s why not like build internal bulkheads in teh tanks with one way valves. They like know how much fuel is left in the tanks before separation so the walls can be placed so the fuel flows through the valves with positive g-s but stops it from crashing forward when the booster starts doing acrobatics.

Pic related is my tech drawings. OC, do not steal

>>15880717
You mean Tory Bruno the soon-to-be casualty of the BO buyout?

>>15880717
BASED TONY

>>15880762
The fact that this nigger still doesnt know what that is is probably the most embarrassing thing

>>15880825
They should put a cowboy boot in the tank that steps on a trash can lid and pushes the gas towards the engines!

>>15880825
Thanks for your design input

-X

>no on board views

>>15880771
Tom will jump out of a decorating iss.

This photo was posted in the previous thread, Lex Fridman visiting the BO factory with Bozo. Everyone seemed to overlook the fact that they're standing right in front of a section from their Starship lookalike, Project Jarvis. You can see one of the fins, turned at an angle.

Do my eyes deceive me or is the interior frame of Jarvis built entirely out of isowaffles? I thought Jarvis was their attempt to be lean and innovative (and more important, cheap), like Starship? This just looks like expensive oldspace manufacturing processes wearing a Starship skin suit.

>>15880921

>>15880924
Isogrid hell. Lmao rip Body Odour.

>>15880719
very fitting for ULA CEO

>>15880921
>isowaffles
This word doesn't exist.

>>15880958
now it does

>>15880707
Do you think if spacex goes bankrupt another company will be able to buy their IP and salvage what they've created

>>15880961
SpaceX isn't the IP, it's the people. The IP would definitely help avoid the need to start over though.

>>15880840
Watch he gets put in charge of the merged companies. Likely better than anyone else at this point.

>>15880921
>Do my eyes deceive me or is the interior frame of Jarvis built entirely out of isowaffles? I thought Jarvis was their attempt to be lean and innovative (and more important, cheap), like Starship? This just looks like expensive oldspace manufacturing processes wearing a Starship skin suit.
It makes sense if they are not planning on losing a lot of upper stages so they can have a lot of mass margin. In reality, they're gonna lose a lot of upper stages but Bezos has nothing better to lose money on.

>>15880921
youre just making shit up lmao

>>15880981
Right after Bezo's favorite got moved over from the flaming pile that's Amazon devices?

>>15880825
Aren't the downcomers self-contained and supply fuel for boostback/landing? There's no slosh when they are still full

>>15880149
I like that this implies that they did nothing to prevent it from getting evaporated by the Super Heavy launching and were just hoping for the best.

>>15880348
This is actually an interesting thought. BN9 performed pretty much the same way a regular first stage would if it wasn't made by SpaceX. It can already do its main objective, they just need to refine the reuse part.

>>15880921
I don't want to believe that those are isomemes because of how catastrophically retarded that would be, so I am electing to believe that they aren't.

posting a classic, long forgotten webm from the drive.

Raptor 4 or Raptor 5 will make ITS possible

>>15880921
Unless I'm missing something, that looks more likely to be orbital reef mockup/pathfinder stuff

>>15880825
good drawing 10/10 not enough Cirno and/or rabbits

how will starship 3 explode?

>>15881043
lithobraking into the FAA

>>15881044
God I hope, would be so zased

>>15881043
Raptors on S28 shut down prematurely so it collides with Booster.

Space is fake and science is a scam

>>15881059
Gonna post your scat again or you gonna wait for janny to ban you?

>>15880992
Not entirely. The only propellant tank with a header is the LOX tank. There's still only one fuel tank, whose line runs through the center of the LOX header. Any event that upset the structural integrity of the propellant feed lines would rapidly turn explosive.

>>15880710
Because someone probably bent the steel pegs it fixes to. This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error.

>>15881059
Reality is whatever makes you feel special! We are all the center of the universe ^_^

>>15881059
>new pic after the mental breakdown
good on you anon, bouncing back like that.

>>15881059
The firmament was made up by jews

>>15880958
Too late, I like it. Congrats on coining a new term anonymous.

>>15880869
so what is it then?

>>15881114
Best guess anyone has right now is a new version of the booster transport stand.

>>15880717

>>15880992
It's kind of wild how much bigger Raptor was targeted for in 2016. The nozzles are huge, and they were aiming for 3 MN (305.9 metric tons force) per engine. Raptor 2 is 2.256 Meganewtons, and they're looking at scaling that up to 2.452.

why did starship tumble out of control? anyone know yet?

>>15881159
It didn't tumble though? It just failed to reach the speed for its trajectory and exploded(maybe terminated).
We know it produced a trail of something and that oxygen depleted unusually fast after the trails appeared. So it was likely some sort of oxygen leak or engine failure leading to the under performance.

The booster just flew a bad trajectory and the fuel sloshed in the tanks, leading to engines not starting, then engines going out, then engines violently exploding, cracking the main fuel pipe and detonating the entire booster.

>>15880921
Oh shit, big if true. We will see whos fully reusable launcher has cheaper turnaround. I guess it doesnt matter too much because starship has a company payload as 90% of its upmass anyway

>>15880710
Because they didn't properly attach the rings of tiles between sections.
They build them onto the sections as in >>15880448, then they did a shit job of filling in the gaps.
It still doesn't even matter yet, having a few tiles that fall off will let them know how important the tiles really are during re-entry, instead of the midwits who breathlessly think that even one missing tile will cause the whole thing to suddenly explode in fiery death, because Shittle was that bad. Starship is not Shittle.

>>15881159
the dirty secret is it was being controlled from the ground rather than internally and since they lost telemetry unexpectedly it stopped guidance. Then FTS auto exploded due to the deviated pitch.

>>15881195
starship is still made out of metal. if steel could survive reentry on its own then they wouldnt need a heat shield.

>>15880825
>meth

>>15880993
>to prevent it from getting evaporated
It's a cat, anon. How much experience do you have in herding cats?

>>15881204
It's easy if you have one and know where it is. You can just pick it up. But I suppose delaying a launch to look for a cat in an open air construction site would be unreasonable.

>>15881064
HAL9000 Detected

>>15881198
Gotta make the best use of your time in space and on mars.
You can sleep on the return trip.

>>15881197
yes, but if you have just a few holes then the heatload is much smaller overall on the ship and the steel conducts heat, so the spot that is uncovered does not necessarily melt away

>>15881197
Anon, not everything goes directly from happy okayness to fiery death. Only the oldspace-grade aluminum mass autism.
Even one missing tile in Shittle is likely to burn a hole quickly. In steel it might cause a problem that prevents a quick turnaround, but it would still land.

How much of an effect will a missing tile or two actually have? Like it might melt through, but it's not a huge hole.

>>15881228
what're they made of? looks like styrofoam lel

>>15881214
>>15881213
we will have to see if this is true on ift3 whenever that happens. If it survives reentry then holefags will be vindicated, if it doesnt then burnthroughCHADS win again.

>>15881228
>a missing tile or two
>might melt through
Star ship doesn't use up all of its propellant as it's meant to be reusable so on re-entry it has some fuel left for its flip manoeuvre.
What do you think will happen when super-hot re-entry plasma meets super cooled oxygen and methane anon.

>>15881242
the kind of cope from these people is unbeleivable. dont even bother reading his reply, you know it will be cope.
>first they make fun of shuttle for having a tiled heatshield and losing tiles
>then they say starship will have a tiled heatshield but its ok because starship wont lose any tiles unlike shittle
>then they say "uhmm.. ackshually, losing tiles is alright"

>>15881244
>make shit up
>pretend you're right
lol lmao

>>15881244
the re-entry profile and thus heating profile for the shuttle vs starship is going to be different, shuttle used aluminium vs starship using steel
there are significant differences and assuming they are going to behave identically is very lazy
besides, didn't the shuttle land with some tile damage anyway? so by that logic starship should be able to land with some tiles missing as well
the question is, how many tiles can they lose and where and what configuration
losing like 50 tiles on one spot is probably fatal, but is 10? is 1? what if you lose a tile on the leading edge of a canard? what if a tile is slightly damaged?

>>15881249
didn't the shuttle survive because there was some convenient steel or copper in the way of the damaged tile?

>>15881247
>make shit up
I'm enough of an oldfag to remember Mars Colonial Transporter and Interplanetary Transport system where it was going to use PICA ablator. Then it switched to active cooling by bleeding methane out the underside. The entire time people were making fun of heat tiles. dont pretend it didnt happen.

>>15881249
Shuttle survived one time with a tile missing miraculously, then the other time a tile was missing it lead to loss of vehicle. Shuttle has only lost an entire tile twice. All the other instances were dents and scrapes but not full tile shedding like what we saw over 80- times on starship.

>>15881230
literally just magic fibers
https://twitter.com/mcrs987/status/1725300626534330682

>>15881265
yes, so it depends on the circumstances like I said

>>15881261
it didn't happen, people were saying bleeding is crazy

>>15881269
youre drunk.

>>15881268
like I said, it was miraculous. The area where the tile went missing had steel behind it, but much thicker steel than what starships exterior walls are made of. Remember there is fuel on the other side of those exterior walls on Starship. And Starship will get far hotter than shuttle on entry because it generates less lift and has a lower surface area to mass. Not even acounting for the socrching ehat it will face on interplanetary missions.

>>15881273
They'll fix the tiles, they're just seeing how much they can get away with in terms of attaching them (these will ideally be easily replaceable).
It'll turn out just like the 'no flame diverter' thing.

>>15881279
speaking of flame diverter, i think they will find acoustic damage to the booster once they recover it and will ultimately build a more substantial launch pad. You can visibly see shockwaves coming from under the vehicle when it lifts off. that aint good for any of the parts, and its probably a reason why the tiles came off. hell, it may even have caused enough damage to be responsible for both RUDs

>>15881287
I'm pretty certain it was the spikes in acceleration that wrecked the plumbing.

>>15881289
And Starship?

>>15881279
Literally, perfect tiles don't matter until they start trying to recover Starship.
Having a few missing tiles before then will actually give them data about just how bad a missing tile really is, instead of TILE BREAK GRUG DIE.

>>15881292
raptor unreliability, see: https://twitter.com/space_josiah/status/1726836024947659157

>>15881266
There's no reason we can't make this but flexible. Imagine something like a thinner bulletproof vest material you wrap around odd shapes like tubes.

>>15881273
>Remember there is fuel on the other side of those exterior walls on Starship
cryogenic fuel, good heat sink no?

>>15881305
>raptor unreliability
>no change in fuel consumption rate at all, indicating no engines shut down

>>15881341
what happens when you heat up a pressure vessel with something cold inside?

https://www.thalesaleniaspace.com/en/news/lunar-multi-purpose-habitat-activities-officially-underway

>>15881305
this indicates nothing. Based off this chart FTS just blew up randomly. Starship was not traveling as fast as they would have liked but thats about the only anomaly

>>15881271
source on people laughing at tiles? If it happened, it wasn't widespread

>>15881352
sit in the cuckbox

>>15881352
how is it supposed to land?

>>15880751

>>15881266
Looks fun to breathe in.

>>15881313
you make it then if its so easy. oh wait..
Stop BULLSHITTING. you Retard.

>>15881361
Not him. It was absolutely widespread.
The way I remember it, we went from: "Polished steel needs no shielding and just reflects heat. SpaceX is literally genius. Shuttle was a joke"
to "ok some critical components might need heat shielding, we'll use fuel sweating for it; genius as it's already on board, fuck the shittle."
to "ok, we'll sweat all over and maybe add some tiles around the flaps and critical parts…"
to "we'll tile the whole belly and flaps and a bit above around the flaps, but the tiles will be much stronger and mechanically attached and without special formfactors and there won't be foam strikes so it's still so much better than the shuttle."
Now we are here where they have a heat shield, sweating doesn't happen, the tiles are crumbling and falling off and there's special shaped tiles all between the sections and around the flaps. And people are claiming it was always obvious.

Looks very ugly compared to Saturn V unfortunately
like its capabilities tho

>>15881228
Well if you don't have any tiles on the bottom it will burn up. If you have a lot of tiles on the bottom the vehicle won't burn up. Where the tiles are and what effect they have is really kind of an unknown thing. You could lose a tile, a single tile in a certain area, and I don't think it will do anything to you, my personal opinion is. I've heard people say there's going to be a zipper effect. Well, there really isn't a zipper effect. Each one of those tiles is put on individually and they're designed four to five times the strength they need to be for the dynamic pressure they're going to see. I'm talking about going into orbit. I have to say this one more time. The tiles are designed four to five times the strength they need to be for the dynamic pressure. The maximum dynamic pressure we could see on the first flight is going into orbit is 660 pounds per square foot. The tiles fail at 20-22 pounds per square inch. If you multiply that by 144, you see a 2000-3000-pound capability to handle dynamic pressure, and there's a lot of other analysis that's gone into it, like bending and acoustic noise and vibration, that says that you still have a 1.4 safety factor on those tiles that we can still fly, and that's great. I personally believe those are very conservative analyses, we won't see anything like that kind of dynamic pressure, and I think we've got two to three times the strength we need in those tiles. That's just from an engineering standpoint.

>>15880921
I mean, If they're doing it too, I'm all for it.
I think it will be hard for Bezos to get ahead of SpaceX, but more re-usable rockets is better.

>>15881409
People say this about anything new.
Look what people were saying about the F35 lightning 10 years ago and now you have people salivating when they see it’s belly.

Looks very ugly compared to Starship unfortunately
like its capabilities tho

>>15880792
They're using Thinkpads on the Tiangong station?

>>15881449
>chooses the least aesthetic Saturn ever
not an argument

>>15881445
your dad is an f35 lightning on my cock.

>>15881304
This.
They can barely get Starship into space yet, tiles are not gonna be the focus at least until IFT-4 or 5.

>>15881452
quit yapping anti starship trol, just kys already

>>15881413
pussy.

>>15881304
your dad being perfect on my cock bouncing up and down doesnt matter until I ask him out for dinner.

>>15880792
>>15881450
Man I'm a retard, I totally forgot Lenovo are a chinese company...

>David Grusch on Roe Jogan
>claims Locksneed has material from ayy crashes
>they still can't fully reverse engineer it
why is oldspace so bad?

>>15880958
>he can't infer meaning of novel compound words
ESL moment

>>15881452
No, the Skylab Saturn V was actually the prettiest.

>>15881482
I second this

>>15880707
what are those?

>>15881482
David Grusch on Joe Rogan said Saturn V with Skylab is hideous

>>15881452
Bad take

>>15881506
starlink receivers I think

>>15881482
I turd this

I can't wait.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbqD4UNO-VQ

When I go to Mars I'm gonna bring my guitar and play songs for Musk

Rocket Report: Beyond Gravity to study fairing reuse; North Korea launches satellite
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https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/11/rocket-report-beyond-gravity-to-study-fairing-reuse-north-korea-launches-satellite/

Small Rockets
> North Korea launches spy satellite.
> Firefly raises significant funding.
> Rocket Lab targets November return to flight.
> Ursa Major to target solid rocket motor market
> SaxaVord owes contractors money.
> Spanish startup makes progress on methalox engine.

Medium Rockets
> Ariane 6 hot fire test to be broadcast Thursday.
> Beyond Gravity joins the reusable rocket party.
> Japan sets target for next H3 attempt
> White House concerns on Musk won't halt SpaceX contracts.

Heavy Rockets
> Starship takes flight for the second time.
> Actually, Starship had a remarkably successful flight.
> Vulcan has a clear path to flight.
> New Glenn first flight will carry a Mars mission.

Vulcain 2.1 test firing in about 3h 50min
> Coverage will start 20 minutes before engine ignition at 21:10 CET (20:10 GMT, 17:10 local time in Kourou, French Guiana) and continue five minutes after core stage operation, once the engine burns through all its propellant.
https://www.esa.int/Enabling_Support/Space_Transportation/Ariane/Watch_live_Ariane_6_eight-minute_hot-fire_test

https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/ESA_Web_TV/(offset)/2

Beyond Gravity Unveils Reusable Fairing Concept
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https://europeanspaceflight.com/beyond-gravity-unveils-reusable-fairing-concept/
> Zurich-based Beyond Gravity has announced a reusable fairing concept that would be recovered along with the first stage of a rocket.

From the Berger Rocket Report
> Beyond Gravity joins the reusable rocket party. On Wednesday, the fairing manufacturer formerly known as Ruag announced it was kicking off a "major research and innovation project" to develop a reusable payload fairing. The concept entails the payload fairing being connected to the first stage, with two halves of the fairing swinging open to release an expendable second stage and a payload. The first stage and payload fairing would then return to Earth. The plan looks similar to Rocket Lab's design for its reusable Neutron rocket.
>The launch paradigm continues to shift ... “This new approach is set to address the evolving market's needs while staying true to Beyond Gravity's commitment to sustainability, innovation, and dedication to a 100 percent mission success," said Paul Horstink, executive VP at Beyond Gravity’s launcher division. "In addition, the cost savings associated with reusable rockets could make the launch systems more accessible to a wider range of companies and organizations, supporting more frequent launches." The company says it will initially target medium-launch vehicles. (submitted by Ken the Bin)

https://www.beyondgravity.com/en/news/beyond-gravity-innovating-space-launches-reusable-payload-fairing-concept

>>15881530
>SaxaVord owes contractors money
I think Europe might be cursed

White House slams Musk ‘antisemitic rhetoric,’ says ‘foolish’ to drop SpaceX contracts
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https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/20/white-house-slams-musk-antisemitic-post-but-says-foolish-to-drop-spacex-contracts.html

text below from Berger again
> White House concerns on Musk won't halt SpaceX contracts. The Biden White House is not moving away from Elon Musk’s SpaceX or Starlink technology despite condemning Musk for pushing antisemitic comments on social media, National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said Monday. Musk’s antisemitic X post last week drew a swift response from the White House. “We condemn this abhorrent promotion of antisemitic and racist hate in the strongest terms, which runs against our core values as Americans,” spokesman Andrew Bates said, according to CNBC.
>Difficult to move away from innovative services ... "There’s innovation out there in the private sector that we’d be foolish to walk away from,” Kirby replied, when a reporter asked if the government was reconsidering its contracts with Musk’s rocket maker and his high-speed satellite Internet provider. “I’m not aware of any specific efforts to address our concerns over his rhetoric through the way that his companies provide support to our national security establishment,” said Kirby. Just because the federal government has no plans to walk away from Musk’s technology, however, “doesn’t mean that we accept or agree with or condone in any way that antisemitic rhetoric that he pushed,” Kirby added.

>>15881563
SO nothing is happening

>>15881573
some white house officials made accounts on Threads lol

>just saw that there's a raptor 3 in development
what the fuck 300 tons to orbit?

>>15881563
fuck biden. he gave a whole ass speech about how white people are evil.

>>15881577
Raptor 3 has been in development for a while, the comment by Musk yesterday could refer to yet another version

>>15881580
nuclear raptor...

>>15881577
>300 tons to orbit?
They will do well to hit the 150 tonne target. I don't think they can hit it with raptor 2. Dry mass of Starship and Superheavy is wahy above where they would like, which was one of the reasons they abandoned the landing leg fins on both vehicles.

>>15881577
So when are they get bottlenecked by the launchpad again?

Members of Congress seek increase in Mars Sample Return funding
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https://spacenews.com/members-of-congress-seek-increase-in-mars-sample-return-funding/
> WASHINGTON — Members of Congress are asking NASA not to slow down work on the Mars Sample Return (MSR) program now while also lobbying fellow members to provide more money for the effort in 2024.
> In a Nov. 21 letter to NASA Administrator Bill Nelson, six members of California’s congressional delegation expressed their “strongest opposition” to a NASA directive earlier this month to slow down work on MSR because of uncertainty about how much funding will be available to the program in fiscal year 2024.
> The letter was signed by Sens. Alex Padilla (D) and Laphonza Butler (D) and Reps. Adam Schiff (D), Judy Chu (D), Mike Garcia (R) and Young Kim (R). The four House members all represent districts in Southern California, home of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, which is leading the overall MSR effort.
> At a Nov. 13 advisory committee meeting, agency officials said they had recently instructed the centers working on MSR — Goddard Space Flight Center, JPL and Marshall Space Flight Center — to “start ramping back on activities” related to MSR because of the wide gap in spending between a House spending bill, which would provide the full request of $949.3 million for the program, and a Senate version that offers only $300 million.
> “If forced to operate at the unnecessarily low funding level prematurely directed by NASA,” they wrote, JPL “will not be able to meet the 2030 launch window, billions of dollars in contracts supporting American businesses will be subject to cancellation, and hundreds of highly skilled jobs in California will be lost.” The contents of the letter were first reported by Politico.

>>15881588
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/22/lawmakers-mystified-after-nasa-scales-back-mars-collection-program-00128368

>>15881588
>>15881592
nasa should be focusing on finding landing sites for the colony

>>15881588
When will they finally axe this stupid mission?

>>15881603
they are trying I guess but as you see there is resistance right away, 6 south californian congressmen lobby against it because JPL is in their distric and they would lose 300 jobs or whatever

>>15881563
GOODBYE JEWS

>>15881610
With $10 bil you could create more than 300 jobs.

Chilling prediction by eeergo on NSF forums:

"Voted March as a NET with lots of technical and regulatory uncertainties acting on it. Caveat that it can easily slip to the right as per the latest flight's experience - more so based on the first test flights, but I expect the major -and much needed- improvements in infrastructure to play a significant role now. Very unlikely to the left IMO, although institutional (and specifically NASA) pressure has worked its magic once already, and quite publicly so, so now it's not just internal SpaceX interests that drive the program forward, at least short-term.

Source: got a 2/2 track record in prior flight polls, nailed to within very close accuracy, plus repeated correct foresights regardimg Boca Chica tests before full stacks were a thing. Nobody's crystal ball is perfect though, that's for sure.

Not a source: Musk's tweets get less factual on average as a function of calendar time (very much not limited to rockets, but most of us know that already). Willing to bet my car on no further flights in 2023. "

>>15881592
Get fucked, NASA unironically making the right decision here

>>15881563
Imagine considering dropping billion dollar contracts because someone wrote some political stuff on Twitter. Anyway what was his latest antisemitic tweet?

>>15880958
Fine, then. Orthowaffles, for the pedantic.

>>15881647
Fuck you.

>>15881361
It was bro

>>15881666
I don't remember it so it never happened

https://twitter.com/ESA_transport/status/1727723152468316561

official ESA gov acct posting memes lmao

>>15881626
>I expect the major -and much needed- improvements in infrastructure to play a significant role now
I don't see how this can be true in the slightest. SpaceX does want to move away from the current tank farm setup but there's no reason to replace the tanks now given that the ones they have came through the last launch without any need for repairs.

>Willing to bet my car on no further flights in 2023
This is a very dumb bet to hold up as some kind of an insight, given that Elon said himself that just getting the flight hardware ready would probably take the rest of the year.

>>15881445
Those were Russian shills obviously

China’s Landspace aims to build a stainless steel rocket
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https://spacenews.com/chinas-landspace-aims-to-build-a-stainless-steel-rocket/
> HELSINKI — Chinese launch startup Landspace has unveiled plans to develop a reusable stainless steel rocket.
> The Zhuque-3 (Vermillion Bird 3) will use stainless propellant tanks and clusters of Tianque methane-liquid oxygen propellant rocket engines, according to a presentation by Landspace CEO Zhang Changwu at the Mingyue Lake Aerospace Information Industry International Ecosystem Event in Chongqing, China, Nov. 21.
> The two-stage launcher will have a payload capacity of 20 metric tons to low Earth orbit (LEO) when expendable. Recovery of the first stage downrange will allow 16.5 tons to LEO, while a landing back at the launch site will offer a capacity of 11 tons to LEO. A render of the rocket shows grid fins and deployable landing legs on the first stage.
> Details such as a tentative test launch date and the dimensions of the rocket were not stated, suggesting the plan is at a very early stage.
> The launcher, once operational, will also face competition domestically. Fellow startup Space Pioneer is planning to launch its Tianlong-3 rocket next year. That rocket will be capable of lifting 17 tons to LEO, or 14 tons to 500-kilometer sun-synchronous orbit.
> Landspace is not the only Chinese launch firm interested in stainless steel rockets. Another, much newer Chinese startup, Space Epoch, performed hot fire tests earlier this year as part of development of a planned reusable stainless-steel launcher.
> The tests used a 4.2-meter-diameter stainless steel propellant tank combined with methalox engines developed by Jiuzhou Yunjian.

>>15881693
I really don't think so. I guarantee that most of them weren't getting paid.

>>15881700
ALL of them were getting paid you fucking bitch. Now I think youre a russian shill too.

>>15881700
Russia shill.

>>15881695
watch every medium lift and above rocket get made out of steel in the coming decades

>>15881713
>>15881724
russian shill falseflagging to create a strawman.

https://www.youtube.com/live/HGoQhepVUio
You guys arent gonna wanna miss this: Europe dabbing on America

Kerolox/Hydrolox is kino, sorry Chud.

Methalox = jack of all trades master of none.

>>15881684
it's no Roscosmos Chaikaposting

>>15881626
"SpaceX insider" doomers have been proven wrong pretty much every single time. For some reason they keep assuming that SpaceX works at the pace of other companies, which simply isn't the case

>>15881626
Now like and subscribe and superchat and join our patreon!
>Willing to bet my car on no further flights in 2023.
I agree only because even without FAA to hold them back, there is a bit more than a month left this year. Even without a wrecked launch platform, it'll still take them longer than that just to get sorted for another launch. My gut feeling is at least 3 months even with early FAA approval.

>>15881506
Torpedo ports.

>>15881563
>"This is a bad thing... but we won't be doing anything about it."
He's got them by the balls.

>>15881783
and they hate it. That’s why they’ll throw money at bezos with his track record. They desperately want a second option but none exists.

>born too soon to live in space
I hope we at least see boots on mars in our lifetime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQXFGXAjkLs

>>15881810
Epic win for Space-X

>>15881810
My god he looks horrendous

>>15881813
always looks homeless regardless of hobo beard or not

>>15881787
This is only proving him right about needing to go to Mars to escape (((control))).

>>15881767
the fuck are you smoking? it took like 8 months for ift2 and most of that was actually SpaceX not being ready despite the public perception.

>>15881756
Russians aren't smart enough to conduct a false flag

>>15881796
unlikely.

>>15881761
>jack of all trades master of none.
your dad is a jack off my cock and master of cum.
fuck you.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12781337/NASA-chooses-Blue-Origin-new-glenn-escapade-mission-2024.html
>Bezos beats Musk to Mars milestone: NASA chooses Blue Origin's rocket to launch a mission to the Red Planet in 2024

Someone explain

>>15881837
explain what?

>>15881823
It took just under seven months in total, and at least one month was completely wasted on waiting for paperwork. Many people, both public and "insiders" claimed there would be no way that Starship would fly again in 2023

>>15881837
>>15881838
today i will remind them.

>>15881837
See >>15881787

>>15881592
No bucks, no Buck Rogers

>>15881837
NASA decided to use New Glenn to launch a pair of 200 kg probes to Mars. It's important to note that an Atlas V 401 would have massively over-preformed for this mission. It's also important to note that at $20M Blue is launching this at a significant loss.

Blue Origin is hungry for some missions to raise their reputation, and NASA is more than willing to take advantage of another's desperation.

>>15881783
They're right to be frightened though. This is the first time a billionaire has had the power, the leverage and the intent to challenge the official narrative. The State Department must be seething. The Chinese have disappeared people for less.

>>15881852
Thanks for the explanation bro

>>15881852
Oh, these are the rideshare payloads that were going to be on the Psyche launch but due to delays (of Psyche) couldn't make their launch window. Now things are starting to make sense.

>>15881626
eeergo is a fucking retarded brown Italian, you can safely disregard everything he says. He's so retarded that the NSF team stripped him of his moderation powers

>>15881837
>a cubesat on a paper rocket
i'm trembling

>>15881682
Stupid frogposter

>>15881871
The size of the notional payload doesn't really matter when the primary goal is demonstrating a successful launch.

>>15881700
Pierre Sprey definitely was

>>15881877
Shame it'll miss the launch window

frooby froob

>The size of the notional payload

>Shame it'll miss the launch window

>>15881877
The primary goal here is launching to fucking Mars, which is significantly more impressive than simply getting to orbit
We'll see if that's still impressive when they finally launch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGoQhepVUio

its live

>>15881898
Elon launched a Tesla to Mars

>>15881903
No he didnt.

>>15881905
it got pretty close. closer than anything you’ve sent to mars

>>15881902
That rocket already looks ancient

>>15881909
actually I work on prosperity or whatever the fuck that rovers called.

>>15881905
You mad bro?

>>15881914
they really did the bare minimum and even that was delayed and overbudget

>>15881902
20min to ignition, they started talking

>>15881905
A Mars Transfer Orbit around the Sun if you want to be pedantic about it.

t -10 minutes

>>15881960
thats right. dont fucking mess up again little pig.

>>15881918
I worked for Propensity

>>15881963
>again
Different Anon than the first guy. Going by you, Bezos should hire better PR people.

>>15881630
Something about the ADL pushing anti-white and and anti-Asian racial narratives in the media.

>>15881935

>>15881972
The whitest Frenchman

>>15881903
No. He's launched to some asteroids, which is the same or better than launching to Mars. It's all about precision and C3.

>>15881972

>red light
>HOOOOOLD

on hold for some reason, I muted it so not sure what is happening

Ariane stream is higher quality than SpaceX, lol

>>15881983
I couldn't understand him through his accent

>>15881983
>I muted it
understandable. I don't want to listen to french people talk either.

>>15881983
>so not sure what is happening
Nor does Arianespace know.

My ancestors are smiling at me Imperial, can you say the same?

>>15881975
New Glenn could be the most precise orbit rocket ever built. That's what it's all about. would you rather ride a gross public bus or take a limo to orbit? Obvious answer, and that's why people fly Rocket Lab instead of F9 rideshare trannyporter

this is weird

>>15882014
By that logic the crew stage should be a large spaceplane. No EDL has ever been as classy as a space shuttle landing on a runway.

>>15882019
NDA compliance will be waiting for you Monday, Engineer

Imagine being a yuropoor right now, so cringe

dead air
couldn't they put on their spotify playlist or something?

>>15882014
Nobody should sleep on NG. especially when ti will totally mog starship for high energy trajectories.

I still can't believe we don't have a functional rocket as Europe
depressing

>>15882026
>>15882037
All smart people left for America and you should too. There's no hope left for this place.

>>15882039
Airbus seems to be going well and the other ESA stuff too. Rocketry is just doing bad. Maybe we need to leave

>>15882043
There's no money in it, so no one really tries

>>15882043
Aerospace and defense companies aren't doing that bad. It's the FAGMAN companies that absolutely dumpster Europe.

>>15881477
Words have to be officially approved to exist

>>15882037
Europe has excellent engineers but the bureaucratic management is fucked beyond repair

>>15882034
Expendable Blue Gleen >> Starship

BROS WE ARE SO BACK

we're back

>Yeah, we have to keep this fuel at -250C, it's not a big deal

t-40s

I hope it explodes

gold plated ablative engines when

Cool I guess

>no noise
ONE JOB

Listen to all the cool things this rocket COULD be doing if it didn't cost several times as much as a Falcon 9

wtf, they got a whole ass Ariane 6 stacked? Can’t they just yeet that mf to space?

>>15882097
Yeah I wonder too, the static fire looks normal too, so why not launch it

>>15882100
Fake SRBs and no upper stage

>>15882097
No, FAA hasn't issued the license yet :(

>>15882101
makes sense then lmao

>>15882101
starship would have launched with fake srbs and no upper stage

Early shutdown, uh-ohhhhh

I'm so happy -_-

>>15882109
A-at least it made it further than the Green Run
Though the announcer over the net said it was successful after saying it was aborting, so not entirely sure if it was actually full duration

>the best we have to watch is fucking arianne
starship era needs to accelerate faster

>>15882094
It's written into law that it will do "cool things" no matter the cost. Welcome to government contracting.

>>15882109
Burnt to depletion, I guess boil off from the 30 minutes delay?

>>15882109
470 seconds planned not exactly 8 minutes as the guy said.

this was the most boring rocket test I've ever seen

>>15882109
>>15882114
They said it depleted it's fuel, seems successful

>>15882124
Ah if it was 470, they must throttle down sometime between 405-420 because they cut away to an exterior view at 6:45 and when they return at 7:04 the thrust plume is gone. I don't have access to a thrust profile so I don't know what the plan was

>>15882124
That'd still have been a bit longer, it cut off slightly over 7 minutes, but boiloff as >>15882123 could make sense. Hope it's just that really, as shit as it is I just want it to finally launch at this point.

>>15882132
@TechSpatiales calls it a an anomaly simulation

>>15881266
>>15881230
Kaowool and colloidal silica

>>15882138
sounds like cope

>>15881855
I think its reasonably that by end of 2024, we'll see Starlink Gen2 full size deployments via Starship even if the ship is lost during reentry.

>>15882158
keep coping muskchud.

>>15882163
What's a cope? Can I eat it?

>>15882158
I don’t think even the most pessimistic timeliners think they won’t be launching starlinks by the end of next year. even if they only launch twice next year that’ll be one of the payloads

>>15882167
They still have to make a payload door which seems to be a big challenge.

>>15882167
the most pessemistic timelines say they will be launching NEVER. which is most likely considering they are going bankrupt. theyve spent 5 billion dollars ons tarship right now and it costs 2 billion a year to keep the program at this level of operation.

Taking conservative estiamtes and looking for the cheapest possible price, Starship currently costs 150 million oer vehicle. thats ignoring all things asociated with launch costs and like i said its extraordinarily conservative. more likely cost per starship is 300 million ish

>>15882171
if you don’t attempt reentry you can use FTS as a payload door.

>>15882180
Do you mean optimistic? Conservative cost estimates should have higher numbers.

>>15882158
I think you're right, but I don't see it happening earlier than flight 5. They're planning another suborbital flight, then they'll be ready for a genuinely orbital test (and probably one or more of their HLS milestones), and then they'll be good to go with an actual payload.

>>15882171
mark my words, the payload bay door will be very narrow and it will fundamentally limit the volume of a single payload starship can deploy at once. Shuttle was designed from the ground up for a payload bay, the payload bay is along a straight edge because thats the only feasible way. Starships payload door will be in the narrow area above the fuel tanks but below where the nose starts to curve.

>>15882178
They have a large reserve of cash on hand, happy financiers who are making back their money basically on track with the general estimates once you discount the COVID pause in the economy, and Starlink is no longer cashflow negative despite the ongoing, large scale buildout of the constellation. They'll be fine.

>>15882192
i mean conservative in the context of not coming up with an extravigantly high price, but yes you are right

>>15882194
the payload bays become way easier when you accept no reuse. Easy to just blow apart a clamshell a la falcon and limit the scope of full reusability.

>>15882201
True but at that point youre better off building a falcon 9 style upper stage if you dont plan on reuse

>>15882180
Getting the booster back would be a huge reduction in cost. The biggest loss of IFT-2 was not being able to test the EDL sequence of the booster and pushing the tower catch test. The booster is just too much material and labor to lose. SpaceX can fly a stripped down upper stage expendable no big deal. Hell, the economics might even workout in the short-term by shedding the 50+ tons of landing gear, landing fuel, and structural payload bay between the combination of cheaper upper stages and fewer launches needed.

>>15881969
can someone spoonfeed me the link to this Tweet

>>15882198
Ah, I get how you mean it now, yes. Also I agree that 150 million sounds pretty good, I had some numbers in my head at some point too and I was spitballing around that same range. Don't remember what I was thinking exactly unfortunately, but I do think that the price for a full commercial launch will probably start out around 100 million while they work out reuse (and to recoup dev costs)

>>15882204
Yeah I've been hearing about them flying expendable upper stages for some time.

>>15882202
that’s basically my thought. Limit full reuse to starlink, crewed, and maybe payloads that accept a very limited door. everyone else is forced to buy an expendable second stage, no different than it was before. and the commercial payload mass is increased dramatically as a result.

wtf I love expendable rockets now

Blue glenn vs vulkan

>>15881209
well, humans objectively suck

They only have a limited number of launch licences and they still aren't building starships fast enough to be throwing them away without learning anything from them. Every expended starship is a missed opportunity to learn how to bring them back just to get extra starlinks up. Not gonna happen, starlink is already massively profitable on Falcon 9.

>>15882228
Vulcan is a test vehicle for BE4 and will be obsoleted by New Glenn. ULA have dug their own grave by delaying Vulcan for a decade

>>15882232
ULA is based reddut tory brono though

>>15882238
Kys oldspace reddit shill

>>15882254
why are you being so negative

SpaceX lost and Bezos won

>>15881837
>Someone explain

They were supposed to launch with Psyche but JPL is a trainwreck and the made them miss their lauch window.

BO bid well below cost to scoop up Escapade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOKyzXulb-Y
>The making of Juice: the film
2h documentary

>>15882232
But what if BO buys ULA? I wonder if there would be any point though if New Glenn is actually flying in 2024

>>15882278
One of the reasons ULA wants someone to buy them is the fact that NASA has switched toward fixed price contracts, but another is definitely the fact that Vulcans time as a competitive vehicle for certain missions is nearly over and its flown zero missions. Tory is only pursuing Vulcan development at this point so that he doesnt tank investor confidence. The real exist strategy is getting purchased.
I don't know what Blue can gain from buying ULA, but Jeff may do it anyway because hes rich and he may see it as a huge boost to the expertise at Blue.

>>15882283
>I don't know what Blue can gain from buying ULA
He can treat Vulcan as a really shitty New Glenn prototype rather than a finished rocket.

>>15882271
whats his redpill?

>>15882283
Blue gains the right to launch 60% of NSSL-2 as well as becoming one of the co-heirs apparent to the big Lane 2 part of NSSL-3. Blue is replaying Boeing eating McDonnell Douglas to stay in the EELV business. Once this goes through SpaceX and Blue Origin will be where Lockheed Martin and Boeing were twenty years ago.

>>15882289
this was after IFT-1

>>15882291
oh right, thank goodness. I thought the FAA had got mad about IFT2 or something.

Heya, I am an trainee marketing researcher.
I was coming up with some slogans that would best advertise SpaceX grand #DearMoon tour. I was first thinking "We are visiting the Moon!", but 'visiting' feels a bit too formal, so I switched it up to "We are going to the Moon!"
I find that a great idea that SpaceX could use! The shortened form could be something like "We are going!"
What do y'all think?

>>15882316
drop the "are" and make it "we gaan", its cleaner

>>15882316
just pay dim todd to make another video.

>>15881973

>>15882329
*dim dood

>>15882238

>>15882316
>trainee marketing researcher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42GpWBSwjZM

OFT-3 in 3 weeks according to musk

>>15882433
QI thrusters will fire in orbit before RVacs do.

https://twitter.com/WIRED/status/1725770827818545465

>>15882454
I'm at a loss for words here

>>15882433
hardware will be ready for IFT-3 in 3 weeks, regulatory approval prob not this year

>>15882458
Would you like to buy a vowel?

>>15882458
Don't be too hard on them. It's just their culture.

>>15882466
ok doomer

>>15882483
you're misinterpreting elon's words retard
it took 4 months for the mishap investigation to be finished after IFT-1
unless some politicking happens i dont see that going down to 4 weeks

>>15882467
How about a piece of property

>>15882454
>@BaitMasterOG

>>15882454
>They both work on SLS
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHASHAHAHAHAHAHAH
This is what SpaceX's competition looks like

>>15882278
one point is right now ULA gets priority for BE-4 engine delivery, but if they bought ULA they could get that changed

>>15882319

>>15882433
Where did he say that?

>>15882484
It's not even about politicking, SpaceX is leading the mishap investigation so they'd have to finish it within a month to even have a chance and even for SpaceX that's a tall ask, as you said the IFT-1 investigation took like five months. It should be quicker this time obviously as less stuff went wrong but it still will take a while.
That said, it wouldn't surprise me if Musk lights a fire under the team's ass and they somehow get it done by Christmas so he and 1s can blame the FAA for not approving within a week

>>15882316
kek

>>15882492
Newton's 3rd law is yt pepo shit

Wen schizodrive activation

>>15882622
About another week.

>>15882623
0.5 two weeks?!!!

>>15882624
They said it'll take multiple weeks of testing before they announce anything publicly so unless someone sees the satellite some place it shouldn't be through a telescope (probably pretty challenging for a 1U cubesat) we won't know until January when you take the holiday break into account.

Is BO really going to launch next year? They are very quiet.

>>15882625
they're gonna announce some "new physics" and it's going to end up being some current-carrying wires pushing off the Earth's magnetic field after wasting people's time for half a decade of wild goose chases.

>>15882638
They don’t want to talk simple as

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1727867799010259146

positive comment towards bezos? I wonder if they have talked

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1727960319752905207

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1727967040797843759
> Still hard to believe Starship is real

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1727967723806761343/photo/1
> Four more Starships, the last of V1

these should be Starships 28,29,30 and 31 I think? or is one of them 32
then the next version will have slightly different canards/front aerodynamic control surfaces and different shaped head?

>>15882768
https://twitter.com/Ringwatchers/status/1726341198636294220
referring to this from 5 days ago

Uhhh bros... what is the V2 of starship if up to S30 is V1...

>>15882768
>>15882769
>>15882770
I want to know this what is so monumentally different that we're going from V1 to V2

>>15882763
just don't have regrets lol.

>>15882484
in some sense, even that is unnecessary red tape
why do they *have to* finish the previous investigation fully if the failures were not a threat to the public? they could launch again and then do investigations in parallel
doing then in series and waiting for FAA approval after every one is still a significant slowing factor even if doing the actual investigation took more time than the finishing touches from FAA
there should be tiers of safety and only some of them should stop all flights of the system

>>15882768
>V2 Starships over the horizon!!!
WOAH

>>15882770
>>15882768
its actually over
starship is going to morph into shuttle

>>15882778
Fuck off demoralizer, SWNBASC

>>15882768
Sexo image

>>15882774
Stop trying to put beauracrats out of a job you racist anti semite

>>15882763
Every public comment Elon makes about Bezos is designed to get Bezos to take a more active role in Blue Origin

>>15882780
On the contrary this would give more bureaucrats jobs, as multiple cases can be studied simulatenously meaning the need for a bigger team and higher pay.

>>15882782
Bezos too busy getting his winky schlurped by his goblina and sniffing her hair. Imagine being a giga nigga fuck you gorillionaire and doing this gay shit rather than carving your name into the stars. Maximum cringe.

>>15882771
If they redesign the nose the header tank might be moved which is a big deal for usable internal volume. They're also changing the design of the canards. That's all I've seen discussed in the thread so far.

It's also important to remember that these iterations of Starship are fundamentally (at this stage) pathfinders for the HLS design, so any design changes we see are ultimately in service of that goal

>>15882770
Imagine explaining what the fuck you're talking about instead of throwing some snippets out there that everyone can and will freely misinterpret.

>>15882771
They're making the nose more pointy xD
Which is arguably slightly worse xDDD
Just like that movie xDDDDD

Elon Musk flying V2s?? Somebody warn London!

>>15882794
I think its going to get more round

Probably not the brightest idea to refer to your rockets as "V1" and "V2", Elon...

>>15882792
You fucking retard THATS ALL WE GOT IT WAS ONE TWEET FROM E. WHAT OTHER FUCKING CONTEXT AM I SUPPOSED TO GIVE, THE ENTIRE STARSHIP WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE??

Versioning numbers are inherently nazism

Elon Musk's V2 rocket launch holocausts 6 billion endangered turtles

so will /sfg/ admit that starship was a failure?

>>15882765
It love the way it's just shrouded in fog for most of the flight. Also the entire surroundings were covered in fog before the launch. One truly foggy boi.

>>15882805
>>15882804
>>15882803

>>15882810
if starship was so good why do they need a v2? checkmate

>>15882800
I was criticizing Elon.

>>15882810
thanks for the license kind stranger
edit: how do I take this clown makeup off

>>15882770
>what is the V2
aimed directly at DC

>>15882768
Sternenschiff/Überschwer Vergeltungswaffe Zwei

>>15882799
It's literally perfect though?

>>15882819
Based, deploy the vengeance weapons

>>15882034
it won't, actually
it requires a third stage to get good high C3 performance

>>15882799
They had card carrying Nazis designing and flying rockets and you think calling things version 1 and 2 is over the line.

>>15882803
and here's why that's a good thing. Slava Ukraini!

>>15882805
Wdym the psyop was a stunning success

wtf???
https://twitter.com/arcaspace/status/1727930048261521610

>>15882883
when is this dude going to prison?

>>15882883
>STOP BULLYING US
lmfao

>>15882883
Bruh

>>15882883
>Arca space
the water rocket guys are still around? Kek.

>>15882770
V2 might actually be able to do something useful in space and not just be a test article for orbit and reentry.

>>15881213
Yeah the hole can conduct the heat to the surrounding metal and to the gas/liquid behind it. If I remember correctly the melting point of Stainless Steel is about the same as reentry temperature. so it definitely won't melt.

>>15881413
also if there is going to be a zipper effect or not is something that's easy to test in a wind tunnel

>>15882883
Reminder that a Romanian build and flew the first jet engine powered plane
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coand%C4%83-1910

>>15882883
wait these guys are still going?
where the fuck are they getting the money? patreon?

>>15882768
>>15882770
probably making them ready to insert payloads into orbit

>>15882944
could be stretching them and putting the 3 extra vac raptors in as well

>>15882937
petty theft as is Romanian tradition

>>15882946
>>15882944
if they are completely different length and have more engines then that would be a substantial enough difference to change the version number compared to just slightly changing the shape of the tip and location of the canards

>>15882946
How they gonna fit another 3 rvac under the skirt?....

v2 is obviously 18m

>>15882771
>>15882922
>>15882944
V2 Will be longer, thats for certain because Musk openly spoke about that at the IAC. Other than that idk
Hopefully it will actually have a payload bay etc. They should make a man rated one soon and put ravenous monkeys aboard so they can test how it will be in the dear Troon mission

It took them five tries to bellyflop from 10km with Starship. I seriously hope you aren't expecting full success from OFT-3.

>>15882929
And IIRC, it maintains it's structural strength much closer to it's melting point than Al.
>>15882883
Good, I need a cup of tea and all they have done is remake a kettle
>>15882946
I expect this + payload stuff + Probably a electrics/ GNC upgrade to actual spacecraft standards, and not just a few cold gas thrusters welded on for quick testing.

>>15882953
I don't know, but that is what they will do
tweet from 2 years ago
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1472066428324958209

as a guy who works in the optics industry
this pisses me off to no ends

>>15882953
maybe just between the 3 raptor vacs now, it will decrease or eliminate gimbaling on the center engines but perhaps that can be replaced with differential thrust

>>15882982
well good that they have 4 Starships ready to go then

Today i wil remind them.

>>15882996
why does it need more engines? does that actually end up using less delta v due to less gravity losses? seems like a lot of weight and thrust for burns in space

>>15882883
HAHAHAHA THE FUCKING ACCOUNT WAS HIJACKED

>>15883016
Starship stages relatively low so yes I guess

>>15883021
lmao

>>15882545
elon say 3-4 weeks last week, only on X

>>15883023
>>15883016
or early I should say and with hot staging I think its even earlier
and if you stretch it, it also makes sense to add a bit more thrust if you want to keep the TWR about the same (but adding even more might be good idk)

>>15883021
Someone changed their birth date to today so now balloons pop up when you go to their account.

>>15883025
he said the ship and booster should be ready in 3-4 weeks, not that they will launch at that point

>>15883021
oh no no no...

>>15882929
rocket fuel can't melt steel rings

>>15882999
KH-11 is what 70s? I'm sure that we have had some upgrades since then in terms of image sensing? (Not in optics myself). Plus any upgrade to the KH-11 would be very secret surely. SpaceX have specifically said that Starshield will provide a common satellite bus for mounting payloads, including imaging.
>>15882982
Not him but my definition for success for OFT-3 would be soft splashdown of booster and making it to re-entry with starship. Making it through EDL is for OFT-4.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a Starlink V2 on OFT 4/5, after all the ships have the slot on them going forward.

>>15882799