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Will we encounter aliens before 3000?

>>15878113
Newer ship builds already look like they have much better tile attachment, do you think they fired the mehicans?

>>15878116
Will your mom encounter my dick before dinnertime?

>>15878143
They lost tiles specifically only where they were glued instead of pinned

We need a flexible tile

we need to replace 80IQ mexicans with Optimus

>>15878116
>MUH ALIUMS, MUH SCIFI MOVIE!!1!!
oh grow the fuck up, youlittle bitch.
I wish i could skin you and put it on the ync

I wanna stand on the balcony of the launch tower and watch Starship launch into the sunrise
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wly-YFGZbvA

>>15878148
Gluefags btfo

>>15878159
You would be vaporized

>>15878148
its the exact opposite. the glued tiles stayed on while the pinned tiles pinged off, pardon the pun!

>>15878170
Pinfags btfo

>>15878159
And die?

>>15878179 Seconding this to remind myself this is a good idea for later

>>15878183
I did this ages ago lol

>>15878038
The failure there was not ditching Russian engines sooner.

https://twitter.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1727084790061334631

>>15878116
There is no other intelligent life in the galaxy. We are the precursor race

>>15878189
Sure, but now we could upgrade it to the real deal.

>>15878170
I knew it

>>15878148
I fucking knew it

>>15878197
Yeah this was back when the engines were still green, and before they actualy fired it

>>15878200
Gluefags, how do we keep winning?

>>15878203
they arent green anymore?

>>15878203
I’m thinking of editing your version and adding that irl image of all booster engines firing from the side, making derp spy’s pupils constrict and adding speedlines in the BG.
But that will have to come tomorrow

>>15878202
Pinfags, how do we keep winning?

https://youtu.be/hn5IGPpKa_s
This is huge

>>15878211
Jeez anon, no need to be so mean, that’s a woman

>>15878211
>8 years ago
lmao

>>15878217
dont talk to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTcSMh4VYow
This was huge

>>15878195
*universe

>>15878211
they could launch in 2019

>>15878219
Talktalktalktalk

>>15878147
No chance. Your dick will never encounter anyone else.

>>15878167
>you will never be massaged by the rythmic shockwaves of 33 raptor engines

>>15878233
It's never been more over....

>>15878159
the OLM looks toasty

>>15878242
Probably related to the glowing debris that shot over the pad cams
https://youtu.be/Iv5AMNYGql4?t=107

>>15878242
No that's the reflection of the sun

>>15878250
The sun is on the horizon towards the top of the image

did you guys see the hot glue rocket?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PFuEmYMivU

>>15878251
Indeed

>>15878242
I doubt it. The thrust plume is pretty uniform up to almost to 400 meters and the tower is nowhere close to that height. This means during take off, even with the volume of heat and energy coming from the bottom of the booster, the time spent over the OLM is insufficient to cause that much heat to be transferred to the point of causing visible glow. More importantly, this glow is highly irregular--which is inconsistent with the tubular nature of the thrust flow. You would expect the entire section to glow, not a tiny sliver.

So Occam's Razor says its more than likely this: >>15878250

No one and I mean NO ONE can explain the flaming molten metal that was flung directly at the remote cams. Convenient silence.

>>15878259
Beetle egg clutches

https://twitter.com/Firefly_Space/status/1727085161425011109
> Congrats to our Elytra team on another milestone! We recently completed structural environmental testing on the qualification model. This test validates the spacecraft, with @xtenti's FANTM-RiDE mass simulator attached, can handle the loads experienced during launch. Stay tuned for more insights as we prepare for our first on-orbit Elytra mission:
https://fireflyspace.com/missions/elytra-mission-1/

>>15878259
It can be explained by any other debris that may have been lying about around the launch area that got heated and kicked up. There's no guarantee that it came from the OLM and it's a big reach to assume it did.

>>15878259
Those were molten plovers

>>15878259
I left a beer can there and hoped nobody would notice before flight. I'm sorry.

>>15878259
as you can see, the OLM ablated on top >>15878242
and the lava came from that

>>15878259
It's a mystery. Probably just appeared there randomly, God does that sometimes.

>>15878259
I've been feeling a bit sleepy lately. Gonna call it a night. We'll pick back on this tomorrow probably. Time for sleep! zzzzzzzzz

>>15878259
probably some trash that an employee forgot somewhere near the launchpad or tower

>>15878271
Are you fucking serious?

>>15878195
Life evolved almost immediately after the Earth cooled enough and stopped being bombarded enough for something to live on it. There were surely countless examples of the same thing when the first Earth-like planets formed about 10 billion years ago.

>>15878276
No

>>15878281
yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTcSMh4VYow

>>15878250
>>15878255
you two need to go outside more

>>15878288
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>15878253
I don’t like isogrid. Even when it’s made of glue. should have used hot glue sheets and welded on ribs.

>>15878291
never

>>15878293
what are these faggots doing?

>>15878320
Sitting in a simulator. That's a lot of open collar and exposed neck for a launch.

>>15878320
uhh guys?

>>15878368
Isn't it a bit early for that? She burned up in February not November.

>>15878368
Colombia != Columbia

I like Dreamchaser and its heat tiles are actually very pretty.

>>15878375
I thought the reaction of the flight director was funny.

raptor is too complicated. even if it works reliably it's too complex to easily inspect and refurbish. they should have made a methalox version of merlin and SS would already be flying. but instead elons autism lead them to develope a full flow staged combustion engine for no reason.

>>15878430
I was fairly impressed with the initial light and re-light performance on super heavy. It's robust.

>>15878430
Bait post is bait

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1727141876879274359

>>15878444
checked

even if SpaceX has a statistically relevant higher number of deaths/injuries compared to other aerospace companies, I would say that SpaceX's products are worth the price paid in blood.

>>15878446
is he talking about raptor 3 or some next gen yet again (v4?)

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1460813037670219778

>>15878082
Hey stupid faggot OP. How about you remember to do previous correctly or dont do OPs at all. Mindless mongrel tourists should not be baking.

>>15878460
this

>>15878261
There is no way that repeatedly torching concrete and steel doesn't result in catastrophic failure.
Highway sections have collapsed over a truck fire on top. Many such cases.

>>15878467
Carve a new permanent OLM from a solid cube of granite.

>>15878467
Highway probably would have been alright if they were pumping thousands of litres of water a second through it.

>>15878460
imma do the op wrong next time just for u bb

No heat shield on Raptor 3s??????

so now that dust has settled and starships second test was a massive failure, do you think NASA will cancel their HLS contracts with spacex?

>>15878490
why even call it raptor at this point
its so different from the first gen raptors

>>15878291
I am outside though.

>>15878451
Gen3, yeah. I'm sure they're already thinking of Gen4 with new material alloys and what not too--as shrinking the engine down to say around Merlin-1D's size would be like the holy grail for engine thrust/size/volume. It's likely impossible with current tech, but may not be an issue by 2030.

>>15878458
the new engine will be called The Question

>>15878494
And go with who? Boeing? Their capsule hasn't reached orbit yet. Blue Origin? They haven't launched a gram of useful payload to orbit yet.

>>15878495
they considered it at some point >>15878458
but I guess its still in the air

>>15878499
whats the limiting factor it being impossible now?

>>15878494
Yeah

>new air force yet can supposedly destroy electronics from hundreds of miles away using only electronic warfare/jamming
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/new-attack-ea-37b-moniker-for-usaf-electronic-warfare-jets

space force soon bros. x-37b flying around and zapping enemy satellites, creating zero debris.

>>15878495
Merlin is the same way.

>>15878513
Don't forget the nuclear electric powerplant, laser cannons, and QI thrusters. We scifi now.

>>15878194
N

>>15878513
>sees number 37
>thinks it has anything to do with x-37
ok retard

And the whole news article is a nothingburger. USAF already has EW platforms with EA designation, Growlers. Their EW capabilities are proven against chinks, btw. They're completely crippling.

>>15878253
(it's a reference to ejaculating on figurines)

>>15878545
i never said or implied that. the article mentions other EA platforms and said their attack role comes from their missiles, but this new platform doesnt need missiles.

>north korea launched a satellite into space
>sfg is still talking about starship instead
what went wrong?

>>15878446
>no heat shield
>more thrust
>higher isp
I can't wait to see what the numbers look like.

>>15878556
Gook Nukem has had multi stage hypergolic rockets for a while. It's not a huge surprise he finally put a satellite in orbit. I mean c'mon, fucking Astra did it with proonted engines and coke can tanks.

>>15878398
/sfg/ christmas tree

>>15878561
*rocketry

>>15878476
But the water does not cover the OLM, only the soil. The legs and the ring get torched as fuck after liftoff.

>Mars is literally a glowie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtDtrvuJRno

>>15878569
Steel doesn't just randomly fall apart because it heats and cools. I'm sure this will be a fine talking point for our faggot friends at the next IFT though

>OK SURE IT REACHED ORBIT BUT HOW MANY TIMES CAN THEY REALISTICALLY USE THAT PAD HUH?

10 more launches to go till we get to 200 launches in a single year

>>15878504
Chamber pressure. Current alloys are basically at the peak of being able to handle 350 bar. To get more thrust and performance output, you'd need to be able to design a material that can exceed 350 bar, then 360, and so on to 400 and beyond. SpaceX's material science team is insanely good, but they're still a ways away from being able to mass produce Raptor3s that don't melt after each use. You can think of the gradation as:

Raptor1 = 80/100
Raptor2 = 90/100
Raptor3 = 98/100
Raptor4 = 99/100
Raptor5 = 99.999/100

It's grossly simplified, but for all intents and purposes, this is the only FFSC engine that's gotten to space at the scale it has, and its already an A +grade architecture, delivering an A grade performance now. The highest they can get to is 99% performance, the last 1% is unobtainable, as no system is 100% efficient.

350 bar gets them to 272T thrust force per engine. But I think Elon wants to find ways to get to 300T thrust force per engine, as that would basically be 99 or 99.999% of maximum achievable performance. I know that the shift from Raptor2 to Raptor3, on paper, gave them a 10% increase in mass to orbit.

230T to 272T increased the Starship's payload capability from 150 to 160T. 272T to 300T might bring that to 170T hypothetically. 170T to LEO reusable would be absolutely bananas. The entire ISS weighs 175T based on materials and building practices from 20-30 years ago. Using modern techniques and materials, you could with 170T rebuild a new ISS platform with a single launch that could be 1.5-2x larger than current.

>>15878560
>It's not a huge surprise he finally put a satellite in orbit
Maybe the visit to the Vostochni cosmodrome has something to do.
If USA gives missiles to Ukraine, Russia gives spacial tech to NK. Simple as.

Putin said that Kim is a rocketfag btw.

>>15878513
>creating zero debris.
what do you think happens when the sat is disabled, idiot

>>15878398
why was it smoking for just a short while in the middle of the burn, that was weird

>>15878590
>kim is a rocketfag
north korean starship soon bros

>>15878590
Trump called him Rocketman for a reason.

>>15878550
Yeah, the old way of designating EW aircraft was just adding an E in front of the standard designation (EC-130 from C-130, etc), but I think that's slowly being standardized to EA with the increasing importance of EW and dedicated EW aircraft.
Growlers rarely sortie with any missiles and they even can't carry more than two with all the jamming pods.

Anyways, I don't think the EA-37 is going to become a ground attack aircraft in any sense A designation normally suggests. But its EW capabilities are probably similar to Growler: capable of jamming airborne and naval radars so hard they can't even acquire a standard airliner, nevermind tracking any military targets. And of course disabling enemy EW capabilities completely. Basically drop the enemy to WWII tech level. Good stuff.

>>15878593
becomes legit salvage for space pirates

the ONLY use electronic warfare will have is against unshielded drone swarms
anything large enough can be shielded

>>15878606
Idiot.

>turn on EW
>your soldiers IVAS dies
>don't turn it on
>get DRONE'D
lol lmao even

>>15878593
it deorbits and burns up, idiot

>>15878594
Conditions in that altitude range had the right temperature and pressure to allow condensation to form

>>15878616
>it deorbits
how?

>>15878620
It hits air molecules and slows the fuck down retard

>>15878620
It's called friction. Low orbits decay quite fast.

>>15878622
>>15878625
still takes years/decades even in leo
and now you have more uncontrolled space junk that could hit something or explode

>>15878628
No, it doesn't.
Go be a retard elsewhere.

>>15878629
yes it does
stop trying to cause kessler you idiot

>>15878628
>still takes years/decades even in leo
no, months to a year
>and now you have more uncontrolled space junk that could hit something or explode
no, you have one satellite in an orbit that already had that one satellite, nothing changed

>>15878631
>stop trying to cause kessler you idiot
Upvoted

>>15878632
>no, months to a year
WRONG
>no, you have one satellite in an orbit that already had that one satellite, nothing changed
but now its uncontrolled and everyone else has to avoid it
its possible it starts breaking up too and now you have tons of junk in that orbit

Right, he realized he's being retarded and chose the "pretend to be extra retarded" route. Disappointing.

>>15878641
>not wanting extra space junk is retarded

>>15878631
"I half read the wikipedia article", the post

So would the IFT-2 Starship tiles have survived reentry individually?

What are the Fish and Wildlife implications of seeding the atmosphere with a potent greenhouse gas (methane)?

>>15878640
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>>15878655
If we get the atmosphere warm enough the fish and wildlife will be nicely cooked.

>>15878655
Methane is not considered potent enough to be regulated by the EPA, and the Fish and Wildlife Service has no extra authority to regulate it.

>>15878666
>Methane is not considered potent enough to be regulated by the EPA,
i thought it was one of the most potent greenhouse gases?

>>15878655
I dunno man, maybe you should ask literally every operator of an oil and gas well in north america how much they get regulated

They don't

>>15878668
You're thinking of water vapor.

I shit my pants

>>15878668
It's not actually all that powerful at all, and there are much, much worse synthetic compounds that are banned for that reason. The anti-methane movement is being pushed by people with various agendas, and it's always ulterior motives.

>>15878668
So true sister, we need to attach anal catheters and gas bottles to our cows to save the planet!

https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/nelson-confirms-funding-for-deorbit-tug-in-supplemental-as-appropriations-drama-continues-with-shutdown-looming/
Let's hope NASA gets something extra in its stocking this year, because it looks like a very painful year for not-Artemis priorities

>>15878546
clear figurines?

Starship continuing to succeed over the next few years will be extra enjoyable because it'll directly end the careers of CSS and grifters similar to him :)

The world's cattle population releases 300 thousand tons of methane daily.
Starship's methane tank capacity is 750 tons.

Cow farts could fuel 400 Starship launches every day.

>>15878690
This de-orbit tug is one of those things on the tech tree you relunctantly have to develop eventually but doesn't really lead to anything cool or exciting further down the tree.

>>15878708
whats the meta strat in the tech tree?

>>15878715
Rush rocketry to nukes, same as always

>>15878715
The OP coop strat is dumping all of your resouces into research early on for compounding benefits later on.
But in pvp multiplayer everyone just rushes ICBMs.

>starship failed because it overheated in a spot where tiles fell off
OH NO NO NO

>>15878700
It won't. He'll just change the narrative to say that SpaceX shouldn't have a monopolistic rights over all of space beyond Earth orbit for transport of crew and indirectly colonization rights to other solar bodies. There's an N number of vectors that that fucker can choose to continue grifting an army of gullible faggots to fill his coffers. He'll continue to cry foul when there's 100 people on the Moon or 100,000 people setting up the first state and all therein. He's a regressionist and his bread and butter is to be the equivalent of the homeless man on a capital street screaming about how the sky is falling. But the information age and influencer culture has created an avenue by which he not only won't be homeless, but will also become rich in the process by tricking people who want to subscribe to the conspiracy that SpaceX is the ultimate evil in the world.

>>15878724
Overheating during ascent? How does that work?

>>15878728
I don't know if you knew but rocket engines are kinda warm

>>15878734
Tiles fell off of the engines?

>>15878734
https://www.theworldmaterial.com/melting-point-of-stainless-steel/

I don't know if you know, but 304L Stainless Steel that SpaceX uses has a melting point of close to 3,000 raging faggots.

>>15878738
>measuring hawtness in degrees of Faggotry
baka

>>15878688
>>15878701
We a renewable rocket fuel company now

>>15878737
Tiles falling off is irrelevant coincidence.
Just telling you the most likely source of heat for the overheating. Hot staging slightly damaged something and things got warm where they shoudn't get warm.

>>15878749
how?

>>15878744
>fuel
the future of rockets is electrical. fossil fuels are a dead end.

>>15878749
starting to think hot staging killed both super heavy and starship
not immediately but caused enough damage to fuck them up

>>15878749
>and things got warm where they shoudn't get warm.
from what?
nothing should be causing heat besides the engines, and the engine bay doesn't need tiles

>>15878752
Show me a working electric engine that can lift a payload to orbit, nerd

>>15878743
Shoganai-nee

>>15878749
>Just telling you the most likely source of heat for the overheating
Except for the part that Ship's destruction was triggered by FTS and not structural destabilization. Additionally, there were two anomalous outgassing events from the engine section. Lastly, there's tracked footage of the upper half of the Ship tumbling down from 149km up towards the ocean with what looks like a clean break along the weld line (relatively speaking).

All of these point to an event inconsistent with an overheat event.

>>15878763
Fuck off retard

>>15878756
ramjets are real

https://viewsync.net/watch?v=6na40SqzYnU&t=27148&v=ftOnimHN1Mc&t=0&v=sSgozq8B-7A&t=2321&mode=solo
https://viewsync.net/watch?v=6na40SqzYnU&t=27145&v=a1CPi631WlU&t=0&v=sSgozq8B-7A&t=2318&mode=solo

>>15878767
you really seem fascinated with this capability

so what will spacex do now that starship has failed again?
is it time to realize the project is hopeless and scrap it?

>>15878778
They literally rolled out the next one the very same day, it's getting finished as we speak

>>15878776
I was doing these years ago

>>15878764
You first genius.

>>15878446
>no heat shield
good luck, he's smoking meth if he thinks his engineers can outsmart the laws of thermodynamics

>>15878778
They'll keep launching until they go bankrupt, to prove CSS right that they have no better ideas.

>>15878207
I'mma firing my lazor

>>15878728
Ascent heating is absolutely a thing, see Nike Sprint going at like Mach 7 in the lower atmosphere. Starship and most other launch vehicles that aren't ICBMs do have similar, albeit much less intense, ascent heating effects.

>>15878610
a distinctly Russian problem, American equipment is more selective

>>15878778
They should be doing way more tests than they are. What gives?

>>15878778
>p-please stop launching goy
>y-you lost, stop launching!
No lol.

>>15878495
Because it's their methalox engine.

>>15878590
rocketman good

>>15878590
How do they do it? Those North Koreans are really something. Such a tiny country with so much fight.

>>15878594
Chem trails turned on. Boca Chica and Brownsville residents will imminently turn into catgirls.

>>15878780
>>15878778
>>15878814
>>15878857
>>15878865

starlink launch in a couple min

MUSIC

>>15878913
>starlink
I sleep

>>15878920
two minutes to launch, you ca wait that long

launch

>>15878812
Through science and technology, we will achieve apotheosis, pure necromancy, rewrite the so-called "laws" of physics at our whim.

LANDED

Its the 88th launch/landing this year so far right?

Are we gonna make it to 100? HOLY FUCK!!!

based based based

>>15878935
Lol no nigger try again 2024. Nothing Ever Happens December

>>15878939
1 more week before december. SpaceX will launch 3-4 the next week

LMAO

>>15878913
yaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwn

>>15878939
>FAA drops the incident report after Thanksgiving like it was nothing
>Starship IFT-3 before New Year's

>>15878939
november and december are some of the busiest months

>>15878960
Lying bastard

>>15878964
he is a bastard its true

http://viewsync.net/watch?v=JL7bPFxQKgM&t=10.31&v=WQYN2P3E06s&t=0
Lines up nicely with launch, hotstaging, and booster RUD

N1 is a fat fuck

What sort of Isp boost could you get from an MHD augmented rocket engine? 20%? Could Starship SSTO by trading 50 tons of payload for 50 tons of dry mass in engines, power delivery, batteries, and solar panels?

>>15878655
animal sex, lots of wildlife fucking and breeding

What if space is fake though? I mean, how do rockets actually work in a vacuum? How could they?

>>15878655
You'd need thousands of starships stacks to release all their methane uncombusted to start to match the estimated methane leakage from US natural gas infrastructure. Only fraction of the methane was present at breakup and a good chunk of that combusted.

assuming 250 metric tons-force thrust or 2.6367MN, Raptor 3 on Superheavy would be 87MN of thrust. Compare to 34.5MN for Saturn V, 45.4MN for N1, 74.3MN for B9. Wonder if Superheavy could reach 100MN thrust by the time Raptor design matures

>>15879098
*269 tons-force

>>15879088
this post really got me thinking. How do rockets work in space if there is no air for the fuel to burn in? How does Newton's third law apply if there's no air for the rocket to push off of?

>>15879102
Rocket exhaust pushes on the nozzle, not the air.

>>15879102
Imagine you're in space and there is an explosion next to you, what would happen? If you guessed that the explosion would pass around you and leave you floating perfectly still, you might be retarded.

>>15879104
But the rocket exhaust is part of the rocket so the force shouldn't push it if there's no air for it to push off of
>>15879109
How can explosions move through space if there is no air for it to move through?

>>15879116
earther take

>>15879077
Definitely one of the things I've wanted to try!

>>15879098
ITS was meant to have 128MN thrust, which is barely over 3MN per Raptor, total of 42 engines. A theoretical 100MN Superheavy with 33 Raptors would be near equivalent in per-engine thrust to the initial ITS numbers

>>15879116
ok retard

>>15879116
It’s easier for it to move through space if there aren’t any air molecules in the way. If I shit explosive diarrhea out of my ass in a vacuum there isn’t some magical force that stops it as soon as it exits my asshole

>>15878153
We need a metallic tile.

>>15878242
this little fire is an effect we get when the plumes impinge on solid surfaces, It happened during staging too, the top of the booster had fire on it while SS was firing at it.

>>15878148
>>15878202
i suspect they wanted to test out the glue just in case. still interesting that they only really fell off around the weld lines of the ship

>>15878446
the limiting factor is 25%

>>15878583
What is a heat shield on a rocket engine?

>>15879172
why are the wearing NASA hats

>>15879176
GO CHINA

>>15878583
>Current alloys are basically at the peak of being able to handle 350 bar
just make it thicker idiot

>>15879185
>It's time

"Say goodbye to your two best friends, and I don't mean your pals in the Winnebago!"

>>15879189
I fear you're correct. Just structurally resisting the pressure is easy, by literally making the parts thicker. I'd imagine heating is more their problem.

>>15879196
I fear you are a fagpot. Turns out I should be facing these fears instead of ignoring them because you are one.

I DONT CARE IF THE JANNIE BANS ME FOR THIS

>>15879197
He does do that too. He is mean to me specifically. I get my walk but that's it. He ruins my 4chan spirit.

>>15879196
could do what everyone did with engine bells, route the cryogenic fuel through channels in the walls to cool it. could also play with the stage ratios, pump more oxygen into the fuel rich turbopump etc. to make more of the burn happen before the combustion chamber

>>15878159
Watched this in a headset. Kinda sad that the size doesn't quite come across right. Still fun looking around for details.
Cool idea in general that camera. Probably a good tool to track all manor of things at once.

>>15879172

it's all so tiresome...

How many launches until the OLM top plating shatters?

>>15879233
Since that's probably not a failure mode of the operating conditions of the alloy in question, never. Might need to be repaired after a few hundred launches due to wear and tear though.

>>15879229
lets see

poeple scoff at those who bring up the difficulty to refurb starship due to the incredible performance of raptor etc. but you have to wait and see 10+ years from now. SpaceX doesnt disclose financial info unless it makes them look good, and they have never disclosed the price to refurb a falcon 9 which should send up some red flags. Stuperheavy will be harder to refurb becuase the engines are more complex and there are more of them, and Starship obviouslly will be harder than anything theyve done because its going through orbital regimes, and its not just a capsule like dragon. its more like a spaceplane like shuttle..

Exclusive: ‘Act now’ to keep US competitive in space race, senators say
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https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/21/world/senators-faster-faa-approval-commercial-space-flight-scn
> The top two lawmakers on the US Senate’s space and science subcommittee are pushing federal regulators to accelerate the approval of commercial space launches, arguing that the current pace could cost the United States its edge in the new space race.
> In a letter sent last week to the head of the Federal Aviation Administration’s commercial spaceflight office, Senators Kyrsten Sinema and Eric Schmitt implored FAA associate administrator Kelvin Coleman to “act now” to eliminate red tape and reduce delays in processing launch and return to Earth — or reentry — licenses.
> “As the pace of launches from U.S. commercial spaceflight companies increases and China’s state-backed space industry continues to grow, it is imperative that the processes at the FAA and other federal agencies adapt to keep pace with American innovation as well as adversarial threats in space,” the senators wrote in a letter dated November 14.

>>15879251
> “Keeping pace with industry demand is a priority and is important for several reasons, including meeting our national security and civil exploration needs,” an FAA spokesperson told CNN in a statement on Tuesday. “We’re working diligently to attract, hire and retain additional staff.”
> In their letter, the senators named NASA’s commercial partners involved in the agency’s flagship human spaceflight program and urged Coleman to fast-track “high priority missions such as returning Americans to the moon.”
> “It’s a shame when our hardware is ready to fly, and we’re not able to go fly because of regulations or review,” said William Gerstenmaier, SpaceX’s vice president for build and reliability, noting that the company had been ready for more than a month to launch the next Starship test flight. “Licensing, including environmental (review), often takes longer than rocket development. This should never happen. And it’s only getting worse.”
> In the letter dated the day before the FAA granted the launch license for Starship’s second test flight, Chairwoman Sinema, an independent from Arizona, and Senator Schmitt of Missouri, the top Republican on the subcommittee, told Coleman they were “troubled” by witnesses saying regulatory delays could enable China to continue to close the once-wide gap between itself and the US in space. Beijing is leading a parallel effort to NASA’s Artemis program by attempting to land Chinese astronauts on the same region of the moon and at roughly the same time.
> “It is no secret that the United States is in a space race with China — our chief economic and military adversary. We cannot be our own worst enemy when it comes to beating China to the moon and Mars,” Schmitt told CNN.

>>15877961
NASA acknowledges possibility of short-term post-ISS gap
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https://spacenews.com/nasa-acknowledges-possibility-of-short-term-post-iss-gap/
> WASHINGTON — While NASA seeks to maintain an uninterrupted human presence in low Earth orbit, an agency official said a short-term gap between the International Space Station and commercial successors would not be “the end of the world.”
> He added that flights by commercial crew vehicles, like SpaceX’s Crew Dragon and Boeing’s Starliner, “could lessen the impact of a gap.” Those vehicles, he said, could be equipped with research equipment and extra consumables to enable 10-day missions for “meaningful research.”
>Other vehicles in development, including SpaceX’s Starship, a crewed version of Sierra Space’s Dream Chaser and a proposed Blue Origin crewed spacecraft known only as Space Vehicle, would also help fill any gap, he added.
> In another presentation at the meeting, Robyn Gatens, ISS director at NASA Headquarters, said there is some “timeline flexibility” for the transition, which will depend on both the readiness of commercial space stations and availability of a deorbit vehicle for the ISS. NASA is currently reviewing proposals for a U.S. Deorbit Vehicle, with a contract award expected in April 2024.

>>15879233
Plus I imagine that they had many many sensors on it, so we might see an Deluge v2 that is better.

I can't imagine SpaceX NOT iterating on something they can

>>15877883
>>15877893
Astrolab announces first customers for commercial lunar rover mission
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https://spacenews.com/astrolab-announces-first-customers-for-commercial-lunar-rover-mission/
> WASHINGTON — Lunar rover developer Astrolab announced eight customers have signed contracts worth more than $160 million for its first mission to the moon in 2026.
> The company, formally known as Venturi Astrolab Inc., announced Nov. 21 that it signed the customers to fly payloads on Mission 1, a flight of the company’s Flexible Logistics and Exploration (FLEX) rover slated for as soon as mid-2026. Astrolab announced a contract with SpaceX in March to launch FLEX on that mission on a Starship commercial lander.
> Astrolab disclosed the names of five of the eight customers. All are relatively early-stage startups developing technologies associated with long-term lunar development. The companies did not disclose the individual values of each contract.
> The announcement of the rover customers did not include details on the duration of the rover mission or the projected landing location. In an interview in March, Matthews said that while the rover is optimized for the south polar region of the moon, given the interest there because of the potential presence of water ice, the rover can travel thousands of kilometers, reducing the sensitivity to a specific landing site.
> While Mission 1 is a robotic mission, Astrolab is also developing a version of the rover that can carry astronauts, and offered it to NASA for the agency’s Lunar Terrain Vehicle competition. NASA plans to procure lunar rovers as service, much as it is doing for lunar landers, starting with the Artemis 5 mission late this decade.

>>15879280
Whack a single use starship up there with a PMA on the front for a skylab type deal, problem solved.
Heck, even HLS without the engines would be good as a test run

>>15879249
I think a key difference however is that SS/SH is designed from the ground up to be reusable, as a primary design goal, whereas the inital design goals for F9 were "to get to space". Which will lead to choices you cannot change later.

what happened to news reader

>>15879233
metal plates are practically immune to rocket exhaust

>>15879299
shuttle orbiter was designed from the ground up to be resuable, but because it was a very complex system they have to pull it apart to make sure nothing was broken after every flight. that among other thinks meant it was not much cheaper than assembling a new one. I dont know how starship will avoid this trap. I'm not even sure what the lifetime burn duration of a raptor is before it needs its turbine replaced. its probably lower than Merlin because its so much higher performance.

>>15879310
I miss that true Roman
>>15879325
It will certainly be difficult, but there were certain choices NASA made that weren't the smartest, such as having basically all the TPS tiles be unique (even ones on the flat areas of the fuselage) whereas SpaceX are only doing custom tiles where they have no choice.
Mounting the orbiter on the side as well was one of those choices.
A lot of that was also because that shuttle was humans only, so every flight you had to be 100% certain. For a Cargo starship they might be much happier only doing preflight checks like an airline and then every 10 flights a deeper one.
If crew starship ever turns up, then I imgine deeper checks after every flight. Plus if you build enough then the costs of building the checking facility can be amortized across the fleet

>>15879255
>>15879251
OLD happened weeks before Starship Flight

>>15879334
OLD? I think this might be another letter
there was a letter by texas congressmen, but this is from two people on the space subcommittee

>>15879175
They're not, it's the logo for their own space program.

>>15879338
https://spacenews.com/launch-industry-asks-congress-for-regulatory-reforms/

A month old

>>15879348
yes, then two congressmen sent a letter and yesterday two senators on the subcommitee sent a letter yet again
different letters from different people but with a similar message

> Two South Texas congressmen are calling on the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to expedite its review of SpaceX's Starship project near Boca Chica Beach outside Brownsville.
https://www.govtech.com/products/texas-congressmen-pushing-for-spacex-launch-approval

ForAllMankind EP2 short sum

>officers vs grunts
>TWO WEEKS meme got featured lmao

>>15879249
sounds stupid given they can turn around a booster in a month. how much money do you think they're spending in a month?also sounds stupid given they fly basically entirely reused boosters.
why would they do it so extremely if it's not worth it?

>>15879325
>its probably lower than Merlin because its so much higher performance.
why do you think the engine is full flow nigger?
they dont care that much about isp.
the turbine runs cool

>>15879396
anon. Shuttle took about a month to run around.

>>15878935
also only a couple more launches before Falcon 9 is the most launched US rocket family ever, surpassing both Thor and classic Atlas at 274 launches each. (Falcon 9 + Heavy already surpassed that milestone last month.)

>>15879406
>The fastest turnaround for any shuttle in the history of the program was 54 days. And after the Challenger disaster, the fastest turnaround was 88 days
>As of April 2022 the shortest turnaround time was 21 days, for the sixth flight of B1062

>>15879406
>2023
>schizo's are still questioning whether or not re-use it economical
>when pretty much every expert in the industry treats this as fact now, and almost every newspace company and commercial agency is going for at least 1 re-useable design now
>when the few outliers who were vehemently against re-use or simply ignored it all died or are now getting absorbed (ULA)
you're a schizophrenic. if you're making the assumption from the getgo that spacex is lying and it's all being kept running at a massive loss in some massive conspiracy that involves spacex, their employees, the government, and pretty much every private investor who got on board with them, then i don't know what to tell you.

keep living in 2010 i guess, but you're going to get mocked relentlessly for it on /sfg/.

>>15879412
the question isnt is reuse cheaper than non reuse. the question when relating to starship is, is reuse of starship sufficiently cheap to make all other rockets obsolete. stop moving the goalposts.

>>15879102
I hear the New York Times is in need of science journalists. You appear to be qualified.

>>15879102
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction

There is no mention of air medium required to push off the rocket. The air carried inside the rocket is used in combustion chain

>>15879325
shuttle was designed from the ground up to be a jobs program for Congress/NASA; a massive cash cow for all the contractors involved; maintain solid rocket motor production capability and knowledge for the ICBM manufacturers; and a fucking retarded satellite snatch-and-grab spaceplane with lots of crossrange for the military, that never got used for the purpose anyways.

Reusability was like number 17 on the list of goals, and everything except the orbiter was still expendable
>muh srb reuse
woop dee doo, reusing steel tubes that would cost less to make from scratch every time than the price of JUST the water recovery ops. The RS-25s had to be extensively refurbished between flights, and the shortest turnarounds were always achieved by swapping out used engines for already refurbished standbys. Even the heatshield tiles barely qualify as reusable, with how fragile they were and how many foam strikes the program had I'd wager that 90% of the factory tiles were replaced by the end of the program

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU_G7-IVRak

>>15879396
I imagine that one of the reasons they don't release financials is so that they can keep charging 67 Million per, as currently it is a closed market. Ie It's not that they are too bad, it's that they are too Good and people will start asking why are you charging us 6x marginal .
I imagine that this price will fall as competition from neutron happens.
And Reuse is clearly better, as otherwise would they have launched what like 90% of global upmass this year?
>>15879415
If fully realised yes, it will fundamentally change how we do stuff in space as we won't have to autistically optimise everything to the gram and make it work each time. So much satellite engineering could be easier when you can just not have to use cutting edge parts because launch is cheap. When instead of "oh a satellite failed to deploy this will have major impacts on the insurance market" to "fuck it send another".
>>15879423
I would say the shuttles were "Refurbishable" as opposed to reusable. You don't have to do a full D-cycle maintance on a 747 after every flight, wheras shuttle basically did

>>15879415
reuse will make mass to orbit cheaper than anything else and spacetugs will make getting to the correct orbit cheaper (combined with starships cheap mass to orbit) than any microlauncher or whatever
all other rockets were already being murdered by Falcon 9, microlaunchers with rideshare
this is much, much worse for them

>>15879423
right now starship tiles seem less reusable than orbiter tiles given that in 1 launch a sufficient number fall off to doom the vehicle. side mounting the shuttle orbiter turned out to be bad, and using srbs was straight retarded and probably caused all shuttle deaths considering that the foam strikes were likely caused by how much the srbs vibrated.
The engine thing is right, complex engines require complex maintenance cycles, which is why raptor is a cause for concern.

>>15879435
Exactly, Starship will enable actual space infrastructure. This coupled with not having to do autistic mass optimization will be the killer.
"Oh no my cheap $2Million Spacetug failed"
Oldspace, your're fucked at 100Mill per launch so it makes sense to make it super reliable and light so it costs 50 Million for your tug 150Mill total cost + Total Risk aversion.
Starship
Fuck it send up 20 of the things for 20 Million launch cost - still out way ahead on cost and you can afford to be risky with them. And they can stay 2 Million beacuse it doesn't matter if one dies.
>>15879436
Apparently these were stuck on using an old method and not checked individually, which has happened on S28

I'm calling it now: just like raptorfags were BTFO by IFT-2, tilefags will be crushed when S28 launches and re-enters just fine, losing zero tiles.

>>15879447
you can really tell the people whining about tiles falling off are either newfags or not autistic enough to keep track of everything being built at starbase, a lof of the newer ship numbers already have new and improved tile attachment methods.
every single time people make this weird assumption that these things won't just be further improved like they have every time in the past when something on a starship prototype failed, it's downright naive at this point.

>>15879449
it's really interesting how all the whining pre-IFT-2 was
RAPTORS SUCK THEY'RE UNRELIABLE RAPTORS SUCK RAPTORS SUCK THEY'LL NEVER GET SUPERHEAVY TO LIGHT ALL ENGINES!!!
and after they instantly switched to
TILESTILESTILESTILESTILES THEY'LL NEVER GET THE TILES WORKING
i really hope this is all just trolling and not serious opinions because it's concerning how predictable and robotic it is.

>>15879449
reminder that all engines were lost on ift2.

The guy with degree in aerospace engineering and who works in the industry claims Starship IFT-2 was a failure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3h-h10eloY

here's on the first IFT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om90htezXLk


And general criticism of Starship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eco99_cdJrY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6YOjVyavTM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNt_SyJjNGw

>>15879460
It is entirely trolling this general has no thunderfags or CSScels. Tiles are still somewhat a concern but I have no doubt they will get it down in a flight or two just like raptors.

>>15879468
kek. they could probably fish a couple raptors out of the gulf if they wanted.

>>15879469

>>15879460
I hereby submit a proposal that the "raptors have 25% failure rate" faggot be permabanned
at least the it's-so-over frogposter was just a launch thread tourist and has already fucked off

>15879469
low quality bait.

Man that kid is annoying. At least thunderf00t is likeable.

>>15879469
I love Pressure Fed like you wouldnt beleive. He shits on space cadets like nobody else.

>>15879486
what is this space cadet meme?

>15879482
You actually think I'm falling for that?

>>15878828
Anon, the melting point of 304L Stainless Steel is ~2,900 degrees F. In the upper atmosphere, where density drops down into the single digit percentages, there's not enough forces acting on the vehicle that can generate that much heat to cause a destabilization event. Also, your own argument undercuts this entire point, because you specifically say lower atmosphere; and Starship, at the time of vehicle loss, was in the high upper atmosphere.

So nothing you said applies.

>>15879469
Guy who has a direct, vested and monetary interest in Starship failing thinks it's a failure.
>>15879454
Exactly, they almost just wanted S25 gone at this point lol
>>15879460
Like clockwork
>>15879472
I expect this, or even worst case scenario where it is a persisting problem somehow they will do what they did with F9.
Deliver Payload to orbit -> Get Paid -> Do your test for "Free"
Repeat that 10x times and then you nail it, and do it 100 times in a row

People forget that even if starship/SH is 10% of what it's claimed its still outclasses anything else by like a order of magnitude for $/kg to LEO

>>15879488
literally (you).
people who have no idea about the intricacies of the industry but who think they know better than the professionals. Also people who want to colonize inhospitable worlds for no fucking reason, other than psuedo religion.

>>15879475
I wasnt a launch thread tourist I've been a regular a while now I just did that for fun while waiting for IFT-2. I mean I literally said that before. Not an oldfag but I've been around for about a year and a half now. And I stay in between launch threads too, this general is literally the only reason I use this site.

>>15879449
They are BTFO. Unless Starship failure traces back to the engines.

>>15879494
Not Him, but I am British, colonizing is part of my religion

>>15879449
I wouldn't be surprised to see Starlink V2 on IFT 4/5 as S28+ all have the slot as well.
Get some V2s up for testing for free, and get TPS test data on the way down

>>15879202
>could do what everyone did with engine bells, route the cryogenic fuel through channels in the walls to cool it.
Anon, the problem is in the combustion chamber ABOVE the engine bell. You can think of the problem like closing your two hands into a ball and inside that ball are two angry Japanese death hornets. 350 bar is your pain tolerance until you break the two hands apart. But the moment you do, you're dead, because these fuckers hold grudges and don't stop stinging you until you die--so you can never let go, but at some point you'll have no choice but to.

>>15879488
Anyone who is involved with/knows about the launch industry, but isn't a bitter boomer working in a jobs program. Said boomers stewed in the post shuttle misery for long enough that they don't want to leave. The assertion that big things could be done is an affront to the idea that they were doing important work for the last however many decades, so they react with anger. It's very sad.

>>15879500
I am pretty sure that the Raptor Combustion Chamber is regen cooled.
Seems to be that way in a lot of the engine diagrams

>>15879503
You keep talking about heat, but the problem is pressure. Regen cooling doesn't solve this problem.

>>15879494
i see
so basically "chud" but for thunderfoot/CSS/ESGhound/pressure fed trannies

>>15879508
yes.

>>15879500
screencapping because this is a really funny hypothetical.

we’ve hit bump limit somebody stage it

>>15878668
Methane is more potent than CO2, but due to UV, it degrades to CO2 in the amosphere in a few years.

>>15879435
>reuse
Not feasible with upper stages.
The only solution is cheaper expendable upper stages.

STAGING
>>15879521
>>15879521
>>15879521

>>15879523
you’re a fucking RETARD

>>15879514
The main greenhouse contributor is water vapour.
We should ban the SLS instead. They sold the shuttle exhaust as clean in the 90s, while in fact it was killing the climate.

>>15879523
go RUD yourself!

Damn I missed the north korean launch stream... nobody told me!!

>>15879544
double dogleg launch very cool Mr. Kim!

>>15879546
nta but what's double dogleg

https://twitter.com/lexfridman/status/1727358789249057201

https://twitter.com/lexfridman/status/1727358789249057201

Lex meet with bezos and had a tour of his rocket factory

>>15879556
this is very surprising
Bezos has also been selling more Amazon lately, I guess he has started to pay more attention to space stuff? New Glenn launches should happen in 2024 at some point

>>15879559

>>15879556
Bozos obviously still doesn’t know enough though because new glenn sucks

>>15879556
I'm surprised that jeff knows a lot about rocketry. I got the impression that Blue was taking so long because he didnt really care or know what was going on. If hes so passionate and involved I wonder how he copes with 23 years of nothing apart from a very complex liquid hydrogen sounding rocket?

>>15879523
this is actually a good way to stage with an OP of my choosing, then /sfg/ is forced to recycle and use it when this thread dies. I can finally choose the OP pic lol

>>15879556
Why now, Jeff? I really wanna know. Is it a privilege to be interviewed by Lex? I dont get it

>>15879559
>>15879562
>>15879556
if bezos is trying to ape musk by doing to public persona and deep knowledge of rocketry thing then its actually very very good. Everyone knows the space race with the chinks is non existant and only exists in the brains of boomer politicians. But Bezos could come along and give Musk a run for his money if he accelerates the work pace at Blue. New Glenn is like their falcon. Imagine what their starship would be like? And BE4 is already a methalox engine and is mature enough that the boomers at ULA have been happy to use it.

>>15879574
knowing a lot about a thing doesn't really directly translate to efficiently running a business about it

>>15879577
could be he knew relatively little previously but has taken more interest lately?
i think he has had at least casual interest in spaceflight for a long time as he founded some space club in high school or college if I remember correctly but perhaps didn't get personally invested in the engineering
that could have changed after he got out of amazon

>>15879577
A shitpost thread is not useful to /sfg/. Keep it relevant to spaceflight.

>>15879585
meant to reply to >>15879574

>>15879580
New Glenn is supposed to fly next year
Blue Origin changed its CEO just recently, so this tracks with Bezos getting more interested/involved
its not like the previous CEO decided to just quick himself
and does BO have any investors? You would think its majority owned by Bezos easily, could even be 100% owned by him

>>15879583
yes, this is promising
New Glenn just needs to fly, BO needs to start actually doing something visible instead of endless mockups

>>15879585
well hopefully he reforms things. I want to see a race between the two giants Blue and SpaceX in the future, and to have historians write about their differing objectives and who came out on top. It's no mistake Elons car manufacturer is called Tesla, Elon has magical thinking like Tesla himself, whereas Jeff is more of an economics guy. Tom Mueller the guy who developed Merlin actually agrees with Bezos more than Musk on where space colonization will go.

>>15879580
It's easy PR and softball questions.

>>15879591
*fire himself

>>15879556
How does this guy have access to literally everyone

apparently best korea claims they have a working satelite up there now.
What does it do?
Did they take in to acount the orbits of other satelites when they launched?

>>15879541
Starship more than likely releases more water vapor each launch than SLS. Someone else can do the math

>>15879612
Probably nothing

>>15879606
>>15879595
He also seems rather shameless in using his MIT affiliation. It doesn't matter much now, but that's how he build his reputation and got his starter guests.

>>15879619
I mean its not like he's abusing his power other than to talk to people, and its not like he publicly shames them if not right? They get good PR, he gets some recognition, viewers get stuff to watch of famous people, just seems like an all around good system for all parties as of now. I dont watch his shit but never came off as some politically motivated hack

>>15879623
depends on a lot who is being interviewed, but some interviews are pretty interesting

>>15879556
https://twitter.com/JoelSercel/status/1727377682617508261
CEO of Transastra (asteroid mining) and a CalTech PhD

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1727376635207278656

>>15879646
they need to get some tracking cameras downrange next time

>>15879612
Oh no! Anyway triple the space force budget

>>15879650
Do this but to the FAA as well

>>15879650
there's a fight in congress over space force national guard. senators are trying to create it so they can get more gibs for their states, even if it will cause problems for the ussf. expect the ussf's budget to expand to accommodate all the new guardsmen if it gets created.

>>15879249
SpaceX launches Falcon 9s for less than $20million.

>>15879669
People say this all the time but I have never seen a source other than “they probably have fat profit margins on those flights they charge 70 mil for”

>>15879674
I think Shotwell or some document said it.
The actual figure was either $18million or $15million, don't remember which.

>>15879606
He's jewish.

>>15879648
What was WB-57 doing?

>>15879650
I know a guy who can vote for that.

>>15879577
no, because i'll make another thread at page 10 and people will go to that one and report and ignore yours just like last time lmao.
continue to seethe.

>>15879682
>Schizowell
oh great...

notice btw how we haven't seen any krystalposting in a long time and krystalfag has miraculously been replaced with this dude who's constantly trying to split threads.
i wonder what caused this.

>>15879722
We got his name, twitter account and state/city. Didnt get further but he fucked off after that and is now just shitting up the general because hes butthurt mad. Will continue until janny rangebans Hawaii

>>15879583
ULA boomers are retarded, as evidenced by their decade long refusal to acknowledge that reuse is even economically feasible let alone better than expendable. 50% of the reason ULA is trying to get bought out is due to BE-4 delays

>>15879732
Pluck his eyes out

>>15879324
Throw enough firepower at anything and it will crumble

>>15879722
LMAO what a loser.

>>15879736
skin him like a cat and watch him run around with blood pouring from his body as he dies in agony

https://twitter.com/InterstellarLA/status/1727093345020002375

>>15879754
I hope the starship blows up.

>>15879646

https://twitter.com/planet4589/status/1727255892159050080

>>15879756
it just did

>>15879760
welcome to 1960 best korea

>>15879754
>growing flowers on the moon
the iss leaf cutting of lunar "science"

>>15879769
All they gotta do is avoid the sexual revolution

>>15879593
To colonize space, you actually need both. Elon and Jeff are basically the metaphor for Moore's Law of Tick/Tock generations. SpaceX paves the way by building the roads upon which companies like Blue Origin and others can accelerate their own economics therein. Each new platform and capability that SpaceX brings to the table creates a generational leap ahead, while each new platform and capability that other players including BO brings to the table vastly optimizes that process to align with conventional school of thought.

With just Bezos, you'll never get anywhere, and with just SpaceX, you'll perpetually divide the community because not everyone is a doer. The world and the politics therein just don't work like that.

>>15879722
I like to think he got blown the fuck out by the clearposter

>>15879774
And the Green movement, nuclear bad bad bad

>>15879780
See >>15879727

>>15879757
That's interesting, the entire relight sequence of the inner 13 engines almost succeeded if not for the 1 engine in the sequence that failed to relight. So while the booster was still in the turning process, the plumbing and fuel position was likely still healthy. But by the time it completed its super aggressive flip and burn, slosh + fluid hammer likely destroyed the plumbing and valves that led to flame outs and engine destruction, leading to FTS on the booster.

So for IFT3, if they just take their time with the flip back and maybe decrease the total number of engines lit to just the polar vectors (N/S + E/W + center 3) and burn for a little longer back towards "landing target", they should probably be okay. It would seem in their maximum priority in maximizing total upmass to orbit, they may have overlooked the potential for this issue and that ultimately led to the booster's unscheduled disassembly.

>>15879780
i hate clearposting because i don't like vtubers, but at the same time clearfag at least stood by his autism and took his waifu to see ift-2, even getting recognized by the japanese spaceflight propaganda e-whore.
all krystalnigger ever did was obnoxiously post his fetish art and desperately try to pretend there were others like him and that krystalposting was some staple of /sfg/.
whenever people mocked him a little too much he would go on a shitposting spree in impotent rage and samefag endlessly.
now that he got doxxed this new thread splitting thing he's doing is just another iteration of that.
if it were up to me ALL of these fucking avatarposting attentionfags would get rangebanned but the furfag is clearly the worst of the bunch.

For reducing climate change, that's best done by DRAMATICALLY reducing energy usage. This would require state-wide BANS on use of air conditioning except in the desert, restrictions on energy use for electronics, mandatory energy-efficient windows and buildings, mandatory retrofits of piping. Growth and sales of high-water use agriculture such as almonds, dairy, and meat should be taxed at 90% to reduce demand and therefore water use.

>>15879797
>if we just stop what we're doing the Earth will go back to being comfortable for humans because that's the way God made it
not how it works

>>15879797
I will turn on my electric resistance heater instead of wearing warmer clothing
I will sprinkle my lawn and fill my pool
I will install large single pane windows

>>15879797
the best thing an individual can do to reduce their impact on the planet is kill as many other people as they can and then themselves.

>>15879796
I shitposted crystal a few times, but that was just a few times in many years
at some point someone thought it was unironic I guess? not sure if the doxed guy was the first one to bring crystal to /sfg/

>>15879796
how did you figure out the krystalfag is the one splitting threads?

>>15879819
because it started literally right after he got doxxed, and when everyone got mad at him for splitting the threads he instantly replied with samefagging, talking to himself and calling everyone who tried to STOP the threadsplitting noa, which is his own name.

now, to be fair, i can never be 100% certain about it, but given this exact behaviour has continued and nobody has posted krystal since i'd say it's pretty fucking likely.

>>15879825
you think he made the original split thread with the Allah meme in the OP?

>>15874872
you can see him seething here that jannies chose to delete his early stage thread that survived the purge that deleted his other plit threads, and chose my thread (the one he's posting in) instead,
you can see him here >>15874736 advertizing his split early stage thread and here >>15874891 accusing me and calling me noa. pretending that his thread had legitimacy even though it was made before page 10 and had a garbage quality bait op like the one he just posted in this current thread.

>>15879834 (me)
that's just what i payed attention to because he was interacting with me and i was the one who fixed that mess and brought /sfg/ back on track (threadwise). but i think he was doing this shit earlier as well while i was asleep, not gonna bother looking through it now though.

Is it possible to see starlinks that are in their positions already with naked eye? No idea what else it could have been as there shouldn't have been any freshly launched ones anywhere near.

bt guys 'Blue Moon' lunar lander uses fuel cells instead of batteries. Why is this? I thought fuel cells were worse than batteries?

>>15879862
batteries don’t like lunar night time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZJnKXl3mrM

>>15879546
>double dogleg launch
damn lol, SSO orbit too

how's south korea's launch capabilities?

>>15879862
probably has to do with fact that NASA flamed them for Natty Team’s vague original design w/ panels. Additionally, I’m sure BO expects (on paper) that Blue Moon will be wildly successful with the commercial market, and will be going to the lunar south pole a lot where it can’t really use panels.
Also BO has been toying with the idea of ISRUing hydrologgs not just for fuel, but for power as well. So.

its over starship doesnt work

we’re so back starship works

krystalfag made lots of OC though. I see the long stories and a few bits of legitimate artwork (not AI gen) when I go dig through my files. Did you guys forget all the poetry and fanfics and stuff?

Shut the fuck up

When is the next Mars transfer window and how long is it? Is it realistic for Starship to launch an uncrewed test flight there in 2024?
I think 2024 has a transfer window but I'm not sure

>>15879928
Q4 2024 will be uncrewed and Q4 2026 will be crewed. It is very feasible

>>15879933
HAHAHA SPAY SEX NERDS REALLY BELEIVE THIS.

>>15879928
https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2020/02/15/dont-stage-off-starship/
Replying to myself, according to pic there should be one at the end of 2024?

>>15879934
The windows are open for about 2 months. That is a lot of ships you will be able to send and a lot of margin for error if some of them crash land. The problem is the FAA will dripfeed them to only a few launches, they will fuck it all up. Musk wants to send a thousand, right now we have to beg the FAA to let us send 1…

>>15879933
More like 2026 and 2030 and that’s being generous.

>>15879940
There will be ten Starship launches next year unironically

>>15879943
and they will all go towards artemis/starlink

>>15879945
you could fling one at mars because why not

>>15879836
>i was the one who fixed that mess and brought /sfg/ back on track (threadwise).
based protector of /sfg/

>>15879869
they also are testing a native launcher, with a successful launch this year. Funny, they also got help from Russia early on in their space program years ago, giving Russia a chance to test their Angara universal stage for the first time.

https://twitter.com/Saphira123456/status/1727285605506384158

15879958
stop posting retarded rage bait from twitter

>>15879959
but its funny

>>15879958
All rockets should have to pay royalties to the chinese

RESUME MSR

A reminder that Musk describes himself as "fur-curious".

>>15879970
MAKE SURE DRAGONFLY STEERS CLEAR OF ANY AND EVERY METHANE LAKE

>>15879971
it was a trap to identify and subsequently gas the furries

S30 is gonna be the next ship to launch, mark my words.

Breaking: Elon Musk has replied and agreed with yet another counter-semitic tweet.
Gwynn Shotwell has been asked to comment.

>>15879987
kek.

Just realized that Dragonfly's excellent flight systems engineers has been replaced by some karen. Douglas S. Adams really knew what he was working on and I hope Dragonfly won't crash land now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5sAoADS2yU

>>15879947
it's also an easier landing when you don't have to land it on urf

>>15879987
>Elon Musk has replied and agreed with yet another counter-semitic tweet.
can you link the tweet?

also All design & engineering of the original Tesla Roadster is now fully open source.

Whatever Tesla has, we now have.

service.tesla.com/roadster

>>15879958
>Delta Clipper is the same as an orbital heavy launcher
peak midwit

>>15880019
This is why Africa has a drinking water problem

>>15879967
this