/sci/ - Science & Math

First for real American hero

I thought the point of SRBs was to be cheap. Why do they clock in with such high prices

>>15754423

>>15754433
> srbs supposed to be cheap
You lose the savings Many Times Over on all the safety equipment bullshit needed to make sure you don't kill 500 workers and go bankrupt from workers comp.

also you have to build 20 to launch one otherwise you have no idea what the safety factors of anyshit are

>>15754433
difficult to manufacture
dangerous to manufacture
more difficult to test and characterize a consistent enough engine for use in rocketry
expensive and restricted chemicals needed (hypergolic rockets have this issue as well)
liquid oxygen is so cheap it's practically free, and hydrogen/methane are low-cost too

>>15754433
>nasa pays more for one srb than musk pays for a falcon 9
thats what happens when you're spending other people's money

>>15754450
AHEM
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/05/nasa-will-pay-a-staggering-146-million-for-each-sls-rocket-engine/

>>15754433
also: transportation, handling, and integration are much more expensive because they aren't just empty metal tubes like LRBs

most of the SRB use is driven by governments wanting to keep the SRB industry healthy because the same industry makes their ICBMs. That's the one and only area where solids have any kind of advantage, the essentially zero-maintenance multi-decade shelf life; but because of that, fleet replacements don't happen often enough to keep the industry alive on their own

>>15754423
south african*

There are no real american heroes, it's immigrants all the way down.

>>15754433
The point of SRB is
-thrust, particularly with hydromeme first stages
-no fueling involved
-overlap with military procurement leading to healthy industry demand

Liquid boosters are superior in payload and vibration but require more infrastructure.

At this point if there was an American liquid fueled booster it would probably have to use BE-4 engines.

>>15754464
>~~immigrants~~ """disadvantaged proles"""

>>15754464
By this logic, there are no real homo sapien heroes, either. It's *insert hominid here* all the way down.

>we have to waste dozens of billions for mtf black transbian women to go to the moon or whatever
meritocracy is why spacex is succeeding right now. look what astra gets for prioritizing blm over actual results, delisting. nasa has been slowly decaying because of their need to play politics as a government agency, and unlike astra they get an eternal gravy train from tax payers for mediocrity. what a sick joke of a world

late night sfg sure gets slow

>>15754453
those are the liquid engines idiot, the SRBs for SLS are likely well over half a billion dollars per flight, and they're enlarged for Block 2

some musk for your nighttime slumber https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFK9rblm69E

>>15754490
>crawler transporter
>river rocks
>insane water deluge system
>integration taking multiple weeks
SRBs require more infra than LRBs when you expand your view beyond literally just the quick disconnects on the pad, even the lack of need for fueling isn't an advantage because they're absurdly retardedly heavy as a result


The entire unfuelled SLS minus SRBs weighs less than 20% of just one of the SRBs on its own. NASA unironically actually needs the river rock bullshit, purely because of how heavy they are.

>>15754664
Not to mention having to repair the mobile launcher every time because the booster exhaust is not good for the structure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfYFqsk_NGk
Rocket Lab 'We Will Never Desert You' Launch

>>15754673
>Hold + Ria not live
I'm going to sleep and watch with Ria tomorrow.

>>15754532
its a shame the chinks aren't retarded, imagine what they could do with their bottomless mountain of money if they were white given that their government doesn't care even slightly about sjw stupidity

page 1 is always such cancer
if only there was a way to post a reply without bumping the thread

>>15754655
Retards will forget to sage every post so no point even trying.

>>15754703
Meant for >>15754699

Rocket Lab's "We Will Never Desert You" launch looks like it failed at second stage ignition. Telemetry was lost immediately at engine start.

>anomaly during staging
It's over for RLcels

>>15754710
Launch coverage concluded. Loss of mission.

>>15754710
>we will never desert you
>2nd stage deserts them

>>15754710
Who posted that photo last thread of the dude working on the second stage >>15753128

s-s-s-sabotage

I like RocketLab but their fans are so annoying lol

Oof, they haven't had a mission failure in a while

Rip Neutron (shares going down)

Why is Astra stock a few $$$ now? They were at less than a dollar a month ago

Man, all four of electron’s failures have been due to upper stage issues. Wild.

>>15754731
Reverse stock split

>>15754710
https://twitter.com/SpaceBasedFox/status/1704031375408742654

>>15754710
They weren't going to try for recovery on this one right? So loss of telemetry means it exploded

>>15754740
Nah telemetry stayed but video feed cut as soon as the engine ignited. Perhaps it did blow up but something survived and transmitted telemetry.

Rocket lab is nipping at SpaceX heels. Invest now!

Transporterbros…we won

>>15754687
I think there will be some interesting developments that come out of their industrial spies at SpaceX. Chinks as a whole are retarded soulless bugpeople (much like the average corn syrup fed American), but just by having such a huge population they have a lot of really excellent individuals. Once starship is proven and the CCP realises the value of it then they will have a crash project to build a competitor and have the world's biggest spaceport inside ~5 years, maybe less. No FAA bullshit and government red tape, it will get brute forced through with unlimited funding.

>>15754769
>>15754687

will you people shut up about the chinks? America already had a much cooler competitor but they imploded in 1991

>>15754774
You're right, SpaceX should be the only one doing reusable rockets so that they get relentlessly cucked by a single government before the country hosting them collapses into a shitshow.

>>15754735
Don't forget all maiden flight 2nd stage failures from earlier this year

Maybe it's better to wait for transporter missions, at least you know it will get to orbit.

>>15754797
wasn't there a transporter mission that lost a bunch of cubesats due to issues on the part that holds them?

why is booster has methane fuel if it never leaves earth and doesnt need to be refueled on mars? kerosene is just better for booster, right?

>>15754852
Here is a hint. Boosters are painted white.

>>15754858
kerosene works for f9 boosters, and superheavy isnt painted

>Sea was held. At the conference, Zhang Chongfeng, Deputy Chief Designer of China's Lunar Exploration Lander, shared the feasibility of using lunar lava tube caves for the construction of subsequent lunar research stations.
Compared with the Earth, the Moon has almost no atmosphere, which brings huge temperature difference between day and night, high intensity cosmic radiation, and impacts of micrometeorites, all of which pose safety risks for human beings to establish a long-term scientific research base on the surface of the Moon, said Zhang. The inside of a melt hole provides a huge space, and compared with the extreme environment of high and low temperatures on the surface of the Moon, the inside of a melt hole is relatively constant in temperature, which naturally provides protection against radiation, meteorite impacts and moon dust.
Exploration of lunar melting holes will be the first time that mankind enters the underground space of an extraterrestrial body, and will have to face challenges such as "passage through and access to extreme terrains", "navigation and detection in dark environments", "communication and energy support inside the melting holes", etc. "The team of Zhang Chongfeng focused on the screening of static and dynamic space. Zhang Chongfeng's team has selected two lunar melting holes, Jinghai and Zhongfenghai, as the main exploration targets, and is carrying out the design of the exploration programme.

https://m.weibo.cn/status/4946275700312138

funny rover

Why does Rocketlab suck so much with their second stage? This is like the third flight in as many years lost to it

>>15754861
It doesn't work as well as it should. The goal was reuse in 24h. Fastest booster turnaround is around a month.

>>15754433
SRB bros...??!??!

>>15754876
Quite a lightshow. What was the cause of that RUD?

>>15754877
>The launch occurred at 16:28:01 UTC, on 17 January 1997. Thirteen seconds later, the rocket's flight termination system was activated by its onboard computer. This detonated explosive charges aboard the rocket, causing it to explode. At the time of explosion, the rocket was 490 m (1,610 ft) above the launch complex.

>>15754858
Electron pulled off a landing?

>>15754879
Alright but WHY was the FTS activated?

>>15754869
>Hello my baby, hello my honey!

>>15754869
Cool

>>15754882
One of the SRBs didn't ignite properly, and the FTS was triggered by breakwires when the motor case ruptured.

>all users of Twitter could go behind a paywall

>>15754913
Whatever it takes to get us to Mars

>>15754913
Fuck yes, finally he's being serious about killing that garbage platform.
I can't wait for my japanese artists move back to pixiv.

>>15754913
I guess i'll never see ift 2

>>15754927
Yeah same. No way I'm shilling out money to watch some streams

>>15754913
/sfg/ will defend this because he landed rockets

>>15754927
Does this now set precedent for NSF to paywall their own coverage?

>>15754934
I will defend it because twitter needs to die asap

>>15754934
I'll defend it because Twatter is a disease and paywall is the cure.

>>15754937
probably not as they have a lot of streaming competitors. But this will earn them more money undoubtedly

>>15754655
That's because it's mostly butt-blasted yuros seething at murricans because eesa can't get erected. And a few vatniks too.

>>15754927
We are all waiting for wagies to finish their papers anyway.

>>15754934
I'll defend it because im a musk sycophant

>>15754913
Is he retarded, if there's money to be made paywall won't stop bots.

>>15754934
Yes, I will.
X (formerly known as Twitter) is where all the billionaires and government officials hang out to deliver their announcements and where the public gets to roast them directly for it.
If you want to hang out with other poor people, Facebook and Reddit are free.
Most users are net negative since more users = more servers
unless you sell the private data like or receive funding to engineer public opinions by shady methods
A paywall will filter out most Pajeets and bots (same thing really), which don't have any value whatsoever as far as user data goes.

>>15754963
Yeah I was thinking in some situation paywalls may even benefit bots. Like people usually browse site without paying, but if someone is already running bots for commercial purposes it would make sense to also invest some money into breaching the paywall. Ultimately I think the way to beat bots is to require some ID verification when signing up to sites.

>>15754973
Unironically true. Musk will prove all the retards wrong yet again
>Y-you can't just charge for a product or service!!
He can
>N-no one will buy it!!
They will, and X will obliterate Facebook and Reddit market cap

>>15754989
I don't know about that, but I support any method or action that filters midwits and retards from the internet public forum.

>>15754973
actually a good point
but I'm still kind of on the fence about this, having even a very minor paywall (lets say something like a dollar per month) will deter a lot of people because they don't want the hassle
the unique stuff twitter offers might make it work though

>>15754913
Fake news. Musk is just saying $2 verification for now accessibility. Not removing free service. Yellow journalism is anywhere around Musk and his companies

>>15754913
https://twitter.com/xDaily/status/1704000779940708555

apparently that is a misinterpretation

>>15755001
Then don't make people pay to read, just to post.

>>15755009
https://twitter.com/xDaily/status/1704000782977392973

>>15755011
they kind of already do, if you don't have x premium you have much lower reach

>>15754710
https://spacenews.com/electron-fails-during-capella-space-launch/

>>15755006
>really the single most important reason that we're moving to having a small monthly payment for use of the x system
That's not fake news. That's Musk verbatim. If he misspoke he can blame himself.

>>15755009
Maybe Musk should speak clearly because news sites are just quoting him

>>15755024
Journey collectively catering themselves isn't myself problem

>>15754913
>a payment system was the only way to counter bots
Oh yes, because there no blue check scam-bots currently.
Nice of Netanyahu to tell him how to extract more shekels from the goyim.

It's over :(

>>15754973
People used to pay hard money to newspapers in the gilded age that would make up fake stories to hold people’s interest.
Paying for twitter is nothing.
Eventually, having your company funded solely through adware and data harvesting will be seen as unfashionable.
Most streaming sites already have no ads, so we’re basically already there.

>>15755042
How many fail is that for Rocket Labs? I seem to remember that they had few failures just last year

https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1704055519647002985

>>15755052
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20230919303915/en/Rocket-Lab-Launch-Update

pic is the whole thign

>>15754710
>>15754735
>>15754794
why are second stages so hard? yea the conditions are different from what you get with ground testing, but I swear the ratio for 2nd stage failures vs first stage failures has to be something like 3:1, even ESA had 2nd stage issues with Vega C and they actually have ground testing facilities to simulate altitude properly

Was rocketlab flying any reused engines on this one?

>>15755081
>why are second stages so hard?
Your last hardline connection to the stage ended somewhere between two and three minutes ago. You've put it through flight loads that go up to 5+ Gs. All of your engine start hardware is on a stage whose performance capabilities drop in direct proportion with the stage's mass. Earth's gravity is not there to provide free propellant settling. There's just a lot of stuff that you can't take for granted with second stages, and this is by no means an exhaustive list.

>>15755042
buy the dip

>>15755081
You can scroob a first stage, but you only get one shot at firing the second stage.

https://twitter.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1703866259639550154

>>15755105

The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive, and neither are you sciencegoys.
CGI is all you get in this life and if you are vaxxed, I know many of you here are well boosted, then the Mars landings will be livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brain.
Also with the latest Neurolink brain processor you'll be able to watch multiple landings at the same time, with the same bitrate and no loss in quality experience.

>>15755106

>>15755108

>>15755105
>>15755106
>>15755108
it's over

>>15755111

>>15755113

>>15755112
its going to be a long wait

>>15755114

>>15755116

https://twitter.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1703866766504387067

> - Kenya’s President Ruto visited SpaceX’s Headquarter in Hawthorn on Saturday. During his visit, Ruto implored SpaceX to work towards reducing the cost of Starlink access in Kenya and across Africa. He further called for a collaboration with Starlink’s authorized dealer in Kenya, Karibu Connect, to ensure a more connected and innovative future.

https://twitter.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1703866939984994389

> - Mie Torp Hansen shared the story of a village of Ranvetlam on Ambrym in Vanuatu using SpaceX Starlink an online-only boarding school for the island's children and those from neighboring islands. Per Mie, “I am incredibly excited to witness what the future holds for these remote corners of the world.” Pics in the thread.

>>15755121

>>15755122

>>15755122
It's not even screwed to that plywood platform, it's gonna blow off if there's even the slightest breeze. You would think they could have brought a metal pole and a hammer along with the satellite communication terminal.

>>15755125
I think I can see one nail but yeah that doesn't look very stable

>>15755119
>>15755121
What's the point of giving a satellite service to people who live in straw huts?

>>15755127
muh education or something, but realistically it's just for porn.

>>15755124
It's kinda nuts that you can trek through the sub Saharan Africa, though jungles and shit, travelling to distant lands, entering the hut of the local shaman and you can ask him to borrow a phone charger.

>>15755127
you can enjoy their shitposts too

>>15755131
Uncle ted absolutely rolling in his grave kek
Sentinelese will have fiber optic and a space program before the century is out

Bunch of Electron failure news
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https://spacenews.com/electron-fails-during-capella-space-launch/
> Electron fails during Capella Space launch
> Live video from the second stage, though, was lost right after separation, when the single Rutherford engine ignited. Telemetry displayed on the webcast for several seconds after stage separation showed the vehicle’s velocity decreasing, suggesting the engine had malfunctioned in some way.
> “Following lift-off from Launch Complex 1, the rocket successfully completed a first stage burn and stage separation as planned, before an issue was experienced at around T+ 2 minutes and 30 seconds into flight, resulting in the end of the mission,” Rocket Lab said in a statement after the failure. The company did not disclose additional details about the issue.
> The failure is the third for the Electron in a little more than three years, with the previous two involving problems with the upper stage. An Electron in July 2020 failed to reach orbit when the upper-stage engine shut down prematurely, which the company blamed on a faulty electrical connection. Another Electron launch in May 2021 failed when the upper-stage engine shut down seconds after ignition. Rocket Lab said that failure was caused by problems with an igniter that corrupted signals used for the stage’s thrust vector control system, causing the engine to shut down.
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https://www.space.com/rocket-lab-electron-launch-failure-september-2023
> Rocket Lab suffers anomaly during launch, Earth-observation satellite lost
> The Sept. 19 launch, Rocket Lab's ninth of the year, did not go well.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/19/rocket-lab-stock-drops-after-first-electron-launch-failure-in-years.html
> Rocket Lab stock drops 20% after first satellite launch failure in over two years
> Shares of Rocket Lab fell as much as 26% in premarket trading from its previous close at $5.04. The stock was up 34% for the year as of Monday’s close.

>>15755149
Now draw it as a sad rocket girl

can someone recommend a good program for opening images for windows? Has to be open source

Article about the SpaceX monopoly question

https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4653/1
> SpaceX launches a debate on monopolies
> “Having such a dominant launch service provider is probably not healthy in general for the commercial prospects of the industry,” said Vikram Nidamaluri, managing director of the telecom, media, and entertainment group at investment banking firm Lazard, during one of the first panels at the conference last Monday. “No one wants a monopoly choking off one point of the value chain.”
> One major constellation company that has—so far—avoided working with SpaceX is Amazon, which is developing the 3,236-satellite Project Kuiper system. Nearly a year and a half ago, it announced contracts for up to 83 launches with Arianespace, Blue Origin, and United Launch Alliance (see “A megaconstellation megadeal”, The Space Review, April 11, 2022).
> The problem for Amazon is that none of the vehicles it signed contracts for, the Ariane 6, New Glenn, and Vulcan Centaur, have yet to fly. All three were once slated to begin launches in 2020, but have suffered years of development delays.
> Amazon may be satisfied with those answers—a Kuiper official speaking at the conference later in the week expressed no reservations about meeting the FCC deadlines—but others are not. Last month, an Amazon shareholder, the Cleveland Bakers and Teamsters Pension Fund, filed suit against Amazon’s board of directors, alleging they failed to do proper due diligence when approving those multibillion-dollar launch contracts.
> The suit illustrated that with tweets from Musk over the years taunting Bezos. After all, one can be both a genius and a jerk.

>>15755152
nomacs

>>15755157
There’s a huge difference between a monopoly who strong-arms their way to sole providablility with greedy tactics, and a “monopoly” that exists simply because they are the only ones with working hardware while everyone else is sitting on their asses. SpaceX doesn’t have to apologize for jack shit. Maybe everyone else can get Vulcan, New Glenn, Ariane 6, commercial Space Launch System, and Neutron working and then they can complain. But until then they can all shut the fuck up and go finish their rockets

>>15755049
3 failures out of a total 41 launches; that's an under 10% failure rate so Neutron is still better than Proton

The pendulum went from “this Musk guy is a buffoon, who the fuck reuses rockets” to “AHHHH SAVE ME MR GOOBERMENT THEY ARE STEALING ALL THE CLIENTS” reeeeeal fucking quick. Like, the difference between seven years ago and the present is night and day

>>15754464
Any sufficiently advanced foreigner is indistinguishable from an American.

>>15755159
thanks

>>15755168
ULA admitted they are a good launch provider which automatically mean SpaceX is not a monopoly

>>15754861
>superheavy isnt painted
low IQ moment

>>15755175
pretty bizarre to know that all this is made out of kitchen fork/spoon material

>>15755119
>to work towards reducing the cost of Starlink access in Kenya
That's a good thing, it could help reduce their birth rate if everyone gets hooked on internets.

>>15755122
>>15755125
>no flat surface anywhere to put it on
It's like straight outta WoW toon land.

>>15754994
"I support any method or action that filters midwits and retards from the internet public forum," he wrote in a post on 4chan.

>>15755178
Are you a monopoly when everyone else is tripping over their toes?
Are you a monopoly when a big customer like Amazon Kuiper can avoid using you? (or at least try to, while everybody else flails to get their shit together)

>>15755152
ubuntu + chromium

>>15755127
You can do a lot with wooden huts, anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfBcCLSQP-c

Russia plans to build a ground tracking facility north of the Arctic Circle in the Republic of Sakha to support the assembly of the post-#ISS space station in near-polar orbit.

>>15755157
>19th century psyop laws comes back to haunt your descendants
Remember kids to never fuck with communism even as a joke

>>15755214
Russian Orbital Station (ROS) concept

>>15755127
It'll give them access to the broader local, regional and global economy as well as more equitable access to otherwise distant educational resources, resulting in their future children not living in straw huts where running water and basic sanitation are but a legend.

That's the idea anyway.

>>15755219
This is a joke right? Looks like back to the Salyut era.

>>15755219
oh nyet nyet nyet
And where's the bit where it throoosts wildly at the end? Roosky rockets just love to throost.

>>15755233
>>15755228
The thing is... Russia welcomes members of the BRICS to its next generation space station

Hello white devils! My name is !Muongobongo, and I am a 5th grade student in my village of OogaBoogaDoogaLooga, Kenya! I have for the first time, Starlink Internet from Elon Musk SpaceX! How are you?

>>15755250
Those conflict diamonds aren't going to mine themselves, chop chop kid

space photo

>>15755239
>BRICS

>>15755119
>Kenya
>SpaceX
>collaboration
Oh yeah, it's all coming together

>>15755119
Kenya suck on deez nuts lmao

>>15755225
You'd think they'd have figured it out with the rest of humanity thousands of years ago. Do people actually think a few magical internet boxes will fix them?

>>15755277
YOU ARE A COCKROACH WHO WE WILL CRUSH. LITTLE FUCKING IDIOT PRICK.

>>15755161
getting uncomfortably close to the insurance tipping point

Nowadays people say the moon landings were faked, 100 eyars from now people will say the space shuttle was fake. It's such a surreal and insanely cool looking vehicle. Such a shame it was too expensive and reusability didnt work.

>>15755239
India and China probably don’t give a shit lol. Brazil maybe? I doubt they will care in the end. South Africa might send up a few astronauts on Soyuz but let’s be honest, nothing will come out of this and Russia will take 20 years if not more to build up what is basically a shitstation fifty years removed in capability

https://twitter.com/DanielleFong/status/1703967971419586843
> this is definitely some of the maniacal urgency magic that made spacex work

>>15755369

>>15755320
okay hue

Could varda just land the capsule in Australia?

>>15755233
>>15755219
russia needs to expand their space collaboration. it's the only way their human spaceflight program will remain relevant. sign more countries up for a soyuz trip to the iss. work on getting russians to the chinese station. work on a new iss with countries like india, turkey, iran, brazil, etc. it doesnt even have to be a big space station, it could be a handful of modules.

>>15755402
Get in trouble for bypassing FAA probably

>>15755364
india is trying to build their own space station, but its been super slow going. maybe collabing with russia would speed things up.

>>15755370
>Shut the fuck up Mueller learn the art of the deal!

Mount Thor has the highest vertical cliff on Earth, almost 1 kilometer. Are there any bigger vertical cliffs in the rest of the solar system

Article about the health hazards of space and how to mitigate them, Tracy Dyson going to space with Soyuz in 2024, Arianespace launching narrowband Internet-of-Things satellite with Vega
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https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/09/how-scientists-are-mitigating-space-travels-risks-to-the-human-body/
> How scientists are mitigating space travel’s risks to the human body
> Spending time in space comes with different health hazards.
> Space radiation, Gravitational changes, Mental health and isolation
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https://www.space.com/nasa-astronaut-international-space-station-mission-russia-belarus
> NASA astronaut assigned to International Space Station mission with Russia, Belarus
> NASA astronaut Tracy Caldwell Dyson will make her third trip to orbit aboard a Russian spacecraft in 2024, joining previously announced Russian and Belarussian crew members.
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https://spacenews.com/nb-iot-provider-oq-technology-moves-to-next-arianespace-vega-mission/
> NB-IoT provider OQ Technology moves to next Arianespace Vega mission
> TAMPA, Fla. — Launches for OQ Technology’s narrowband Internet of Things (NB-IoT) constellation are set to resume Oct. 4 after Arianespace moved the Luxembourg venture to its next Vega mission, instead of an upgraded version of the rocket that failed last year.
> Arianespace had planned to launch OQ Technology’s European Space Agency-backed MACSAT (MAChine SATellite) in March on a Vega C, which has not flown since a second-stage malfunction during a December 2022 launch that destroyed two Pléiades Neo imaging satellites.
> Alongside other startups, established satellite operators including EchoStar and SpaceX are also seeking to grow market share in the fledgling market for connecting Internet of Things devices from space.

>>15755470
Make a spinhab.
There, I solved your problem.

>>15755469
>almost 1 kilometer
Wow, it's hard to imagine that would fit inside Starship's fairing!

>>15755469
Probably. Earth gravity limits how high mountains and cliffs can go.

>>15755409
imagine having to retroactively file an international flight plan because some of your space debris fell on the wrong dirt

Blue Origin continues to build and expand different facilities, Startup developing autonomous space traffic coordination framework called Pathfinder 3.0, Spanish space startup developing a space tug/servicing satellite
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https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2023/09/blue-update-091923/
> Blue Origin preparing for New Glenn testing at LC-36 ahead of maiden flight
> Over the past few months, Blue Origin has continued making progress towards the maiden launch of its orbital class rocket, New Glenn. The company has continued testing systems at Launch Complex 36 (LC-36), and recently submitted plans for a refurbishment facility near the Cape Canaveral Skid Strip, expanding Blue Origin’s already impressive spread of installations on the Space Coast.
> During a panel at the World Satellite Business Week, Blue Origin’s Jarrett Jones stated Blue Origin has four boosters in various stages of production, and testing is going well.
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https://spacenews.com/kayhan-raises-7-million-and-offers-autonomous-traffic-coordination-service/
> Kayhan raises $7 million and offers autonomous traffic-coordination service
> SAN FRANCISCO –Kayhan Space raised $7 million in an extension to the spaceflight safety startup’s seed round and unveiled an autonomous space-traffic coordination framework.
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https://europeanspaceflight.com/uarx-partners-with-sener-to-continue-development-of-ossie-otv/
> UARX Partners with Sener to Continue Development of OSSIE OTV
> OSSIE (Orbit Solutions to Simplify Injection and Exploration) is designed to be capable of performing a number of missions, including satellite delivery, debris removal, and in-orbit servicing. It will be capable of carrying PocketQubes, CubeSats, smallsats, and hosted payloads to orbit. OSSIE has a maximum payload capacity of 1,000 kilograms and will be able to service multiple orbits up to and including lunar orbits.

>>15755469
I bet Valley Marinaris has a bigger one

>>15755402
They'd have to get it cleared by the australian equivalent of the FAA

Total Space Exploration

>>15755152
Krita

If it weren't for the open source qualifier I would have recommended IrfanView

>>15755507
MORE CGI

>>15755523
"Trolling outside of /b/"
Get this man an all-inclusive vacation /sfg/.

>>15754778
> country hosting them collapses into a shitshow.
spacex is based in russia?

>former CIA and NASA director took an interest in SpaceX early on
>spaceX was a part of DARPA's FALCON global strike program
>spacex had access to US military island in the Pacific for Falcon 1 launches
>fast forward a decade NASA selects SpaceX as a part of its COTS program
>fast forward another half decade DoD selects SpaceX for military Starlink (Starshield) program
Thoughts on SpaceX being a secret military project?

>>15755548
All US aerospace falls into this

>>15755127
the twins of 4chan and reddit need more traffic

>>15755548

>>15755548
I'll just say it right now, ZUMA tested the feasibility of Falcon 9 to deliver a warhead.

>>15755567
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuma_(satellite)
https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/zuma.htm

>>15754873
Poor testing and design for test. Can they even run the entire engine plus batteries on the ground? The batteries are probably single use so they can't be tested at full power and the first indication they get of a defect is when it grenades on turbine spin up.

>>15755558
Kys

>>15755558
who's the twin of 4chan

>>15755579
Hes implying they are twins clearly a newfag who needs to go back

https://twitter.com/NASAOIG/status/1704133911062937617

>>15755548
>spaceX was a part of DARPA's FALCON global strike program

Hello Phaeton.

>Coleman said that, of the 63 corrective actions listed in the mishap report, 27 are linked to public safety. “So one thing that we’ll need to see before the next operation is evidence that shows that the company has closed out the corrective actions that are specifically tied to public safety,” he said.
>“We’re on a pretty good schedule,” he said, affirming comments made by the FAA’s acting administrator, Polly Trottenberg, at a conference Sept. 13, where she projected that a modified license could be ready in October. “It’ll probably set us somewhere in mid to late October for conclusion of the safety review.”
>“That piece is a little bit of a wild card,” Coleman said of that environmental review. “We’re hoping that piece will wrap up somewhere in proximity to the safety review.”


https://spacenews.com/faa-seeks-to-wrap-up-starship-safety-review-in-october/

anon told me to go here
I am playing Starfield and I wanted to know if in real life, hypothetically we had the necessary technology, if I were to slam my ship into another ship, would the crash be similar to a car crash, in that they would both be totaled? or would it get pushed out of the way.

t. retard

>>15755617
how is it possible for a steel tower on wheels to cost $1B?

>>15755648
it would be worse than a car crash

>>15755653
buy specialty milled bolts that cost 10k each instead of buying some off the shelf for 10 cents

>>15755648
relative velocities in space travel range from a fender bender to kilometers per second.
for collisions in the former category, a car crash
for collisions in the latter category, a big explosion

>>15755648
usually the velocity will be much higher, when satellites crash they create thousands of different piece flying in different directions

>>15755648
If you're both going 10km/s but you're moving parallel to one another you'll just bounce off like bumpers in kids' bowling. If you're moving opposite directions at that speed and strike one another you both atomize on impact. Relative speed matters.

>>15755487
Not sure if youre joking, but that's not really possible

>>15755653
Yeah I was surprised as well. A steel tower with some hydraulic pieces isn't some cutting edge tech. Costs estimates should be accurate.

>>15755648
At single digit km/s collision, metal act like fluids during collision, you just turn into dust.
After you just vaporises.

>ars will write an article about some guy 7 years ago saying that starlink will have 20 million subscribers
>ars wont write a story about starlink's new reflective coating which will make them almost invisible
when is berger leaving that shithole again?

>>15755678
That's less than half a percent of Starlink satellites. There is still time to write an article about it.

>>15755653
The tower is maybe 3% of the cost. The crawler is the bitch.

>>15755678
nobody gives a shit about starlink light pollution anymore because they never saw the satellites to begin with and it was never a real problem, just misleading headlines from the Bezos Post intended to make people think they were going to be visible to the naked eye. And even with the legitimate claims of interference in astronomy, in comparison to the obvious, unambiguous good that connecting rural communities and disaster zones does, it feels stupid and petty.

>>15755548
Coincidences lmao

1) They took an interest because Musk drove a fucking rocket down and he hired few fomer nasa officials to hunt down the Russian rocket sale
2) For few hundred grands in funding, nothing burger now but it was merely a funding round for early SpaceX days
3) The Island for launching F1 was because air force wouldnt allow them to launch from Cape due to national security launch
4) They had to sue NASA to be allowed to compete, otherwise it would have gone to Kistler or some other shit
5) Starshield is bourne because Starlink is a civilian project and military wanted use of it, Starshile is the alternative

>>15755702
i saw them, but that's only because i was on the look out. most people never look up into the night sky.

>>15755696
And the roggs.

>>15755696
How? Buy four 3000t chassis from Liebherr for $15M each, link them in software, and call it a day.

>>15754433
The point of SRBs is to be shelf stable and increase the thrust to weight ratio of ICBMs so that enemy early warning systems have lower reaction times.

Launchers sometimes use them because the government, for better or worse, tends to see high tech national industries holistically rather than the individual sticker costs.

>>15755710
>Governments buying and modifying off the shelf stuff
lol.

>>15755710
nooo you can't just use off the shelf solutions for our rocket

>>15755548
I have no doubts Elon has been involved with secret government agencies from the start

>>15755548
Back when falcon 1 almost failed, Elon managed to somehow pull some strings and get the USAF to transport the rocket from a repair shop to the launch site in a C-17.

I might be misremembering the story but it's something like that, so it would not suprise me if Elon has lots of connections in the DC think tank/ national security state milleu.

>>15755027
All news sites use click bait headlines. It's the business model. Doesn't matter if he spoke clearly.

>>15755617
NASA OIG has to be one of the most soul crushing jobs in existence; I bet working in a meat packaging plant is less damaging to the psyche

>>15755653
Change orders. Lots and lots of change orders.

Artemis I wrecked ML1 and they panicked because it meant that not only did they fail to account for the SRBs in ML1, ML2 is going to have the "better" SRBs wrecking it even harder. One billion dollars is a conservative estimate for the amount of testing, verification and engineering work making the tower safe for Block 2 is going to entail. EUS is set in stone so it's not like they have a "requirements changed" issue like they did with ML1, but this is essentially a new launch structure for a new rocket.

>>15755758
I guaran-fucking-tee there will either be an ML3, or, no Block 2 SLS; but ML2 will NEVER launch a Block 2.

Could you use the starship like a bomber? IE put a big payload bus onto an intercontinental suborbital trajectory and then re-enter? ideally without passing over the target.

Iirc this was something the Soviets were paranoid about regarding the space shuttle, especially with it's retarded cross range requirements for single orbit missions, but it seems a lot more feasible with starship's hypothetical lower costs.

It's not that easy in tower-ry

>>15755766
bet this thing only cost like 150$ million

>>15755762
It would be of limited use. Plane changes are so expensive that everyone within five degrees of its launch inclination would be ready for it.

>>15755653
People grossly underestimate how much engineering work goes into creating something. The tooling, the workers, other associated and unexpected costs

>>15755762
FEDOR’S SPAWNS

>>15755771
$175 for this one and it's like 400ft tall.
https://oilrigsnow.com/offshore-rigs-for-sale/

>>15755758
The OIG's June 2022 report highlights how fundamental the changes are for Block 1B. The new rocket is 40 feet taller, (requiring two completely new umbilical arms and relocating others) and they're worried that high winds will tip the whole thing over. That being an issue is also something that came up with Artemis I, specifically because they had a limited number of times they could move it to the VAB and back.

>>15755794
That's not aerospace grade (i.e. the materials and parts used in construction are not sourced from all 50 states)

>>15755762
>it seems a lot more feasible with starship's hypothetical lower costs
hypothetical being the key word. We will have to see how starship pans out. It may have faster turnaround time than the shuttle, but it's way larger and will probably cost more to construct than a shuttle launch stack all else being equal.

>>15754869
There's something deeply kino about the thought some rovers headlight shining into a billion+ y/o cave that's never known light. What do you think they find?

>>15755824
Moon cavemen

>>15755548
The military wishes. They're very lucky SpaceX happened to them.

>>15755469
Verona Rupes, on Miranda, a moon of Uranus, is 20km high, though I'm not sure how vertical it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verona_Rupes

>>15755496
As far as I know, there's basically no large vertical cliffs on Mars (you can search here for example https://murray-lab.caltech.edu/CTX/V01/SceneView/MurrayLabCTXmosaic.html)), the steepest slope I can find are ~50% in calderas
Not a rogg scientist, but I think that's because there have been no serious geological activity on Mars for a long time, but some weathering continued for billions of years. Or maybe the data isn't precise enough and this smooths the results.

>>15755824
We'll find out when SLIM makes it to the moon, since it's putting a rover into a lava tube

https://twitter.com/neuralink/status/1704189132530974954

https://neuralink.com/blog/first-clinical-trial-open-for-recruitment/

Neuralink human trials about to start

>>15755820
> will probably cost more to construct than a shuttle launch stack
no it fucking won't, nowhere close

>>15755824
photophobic roggs (they’re shy!)

>>15755849
I really do hope it works out and helps people

>>15755849

>>15755820
>probably
>sauce: my ass

>>15755579
reddit

>>15755081
>even ESA had 2nd stage issues with Vega C and they actually have ground testing facilities to simulate altitude properly
They can test a second stage in their facility but they can't test the flight article because the solid rocket motor burns itself up with every flight. This means they have to quantify each aspect of the second stage to catch issues by inspection without firing the rocket. In this case, they learned something about the carbon-carbon nozzle insert.
> The erosion of the insert, he said, was linked to higher porosity of the carbon-carbon material, confirmed in other testing of the material but not detected earlier. “The acceptance criteria established for this material were not able to detect such a weakness,” he said.

>>15755856
how do you know?
before you answer I said all else being equal, so in a world where NASA didnt have retarded massive costs asociated with doing anything. Shuttle is a smaller vehicle with a tiny fraction the number of engines and uses the same complex and fragile heat shield as starship.

>>15755710
as soon as liebherr hears about the offer from a gov entity the price goes up 4x at minimum.

>>15755816
at least 1 truss has to come from every state

>>15755864
see >>15755874
explain to me why starship will be cheaper after reading those facts

What does it mean for a light source to be X Watt/(m^2)? And what are the implications if that light is an UV light? I’ve been looking through the internet but i don’t see anything in the specifications. it’s my first time working with lights and I’m at a loss

>>15755876
there's too many cranes around for them to be able to do that

>>15755874
you can't just say all else being equal, where do you stop?
shuttles heat shield is more complex than Starships, the engines cost way more than raptors, you have the external tank and solid rocket boosters
the starship stack is just welded steel

>>15755820

>>15755883
the more watts of light there is per unit are the brighter it is. Perhaps if you could be more specific we could help you. And it it's UV lighter the more watts/m^2 the faster one gets burns

https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1704137736783868369

>>15755881
Because it's not managed by NASA.

>>15755837
>there's basically no large vertical cliffs on Mars
bummer

>>15755896
These gateways offer large upgrades for Starlink V2 as well. Bandwidth/latencies is supposed to be improved with these new ones

>>15755891
i can say all else being equal. Im talking about the fundamental design. I have been a hardcore spacex fan since back when they were testing the F9R. There seems to be an assumption that starship will be an order of magnitude cheaper than anything before, but we dont know that, and unless it has significantly better ease/speed of reuse than shuttle combined with a launch frequency higher than the total number of global launches it will never be cheaper for orbital flights than a normal falcon 9, and may even be more expensive than the shuttle, ignoring how much more cost efficient spacex is than nasa.

>>15755905
cont. Zubrin has a similar view, in 2016 when ITS was revealed he was not happy because he thought it was way too big to ever be cost effective, and he has the same view today about the smaller current starship concept, hes just quiet about it.

>>15755905
>we dont know it will be cheaper
It will be order of magnitude cheaper to put stuff into LEO for certain due to capability increase.

The large cost to manufacture the Starship is likely the same or even less than Falcon 9.

>>15755849
tinnitus fix WHEN

>>15755915
>It will be order of magnitude cheaper to put stuff into LEO for certain due to capability increase
why dont they use falcon 9 heavy for every leo launch?

>The large cost to manufacture the Starship is likely the same or even less than Falcon 9
how will that be the case when it has more engines, the engines are more expensive per unit?

>>15755895
I need to find a small UV light that is able to output 27 Watts/(m^2), my problem is that specifications don’t seem to include W/m^2, just the watts. So id like to know how to derive W/m^2 from coming given specifications so I can actually check the intensity of the UV lights I’m checking out.

>>15755923
Falcon Heavy requires 3 boosters, complexity costs.

Reusable Starship is a single system has 3-4X more capacity than Falcon Heavy fully expended. Not to mention much larger internal volume for larger size.

>>15755923
1337 Raptor engines. They've optimized their engines by cost per ton. $1000 per Ton is what they're pushing forward with. Not just cost but also various performance metrics. 250 ton x 1000= ~250K. SpaceX has been pushing this for a while. The Walter's bio book also has some with the 1337 Raptor optimizations.

>>15755923
Falcon 9 is limited by volume and performance. Falcon Heavy has better peformance but the same fairing volume.
Starship has much better performance and larger volume. Moreover, if you launch Starship you use only one Booster, instead of three.

>>15755905
>unless it has significantly better ease/speed of reuse than shuttle
Very likely. It's a far more robust design with modern equipment. The TPS and engines were the Shuttle's main issues vis-a-vis reusability, and Starship is significantly better in both respects. Engine reusability is a gimme since they have so much experience with Falcon 9 and designed Raptor accordingly. TPS is a bit of a wildcard, but the overall design is better since it sacrifices some mass margin for simplicity and sturdiness.
>combined with a launch frequency higher than the total number of global launches
Definitely an optimistic scenario, but not impossible if you consider it on a timescale of 10-20 years. In any case it will surpass Falcon 9 in pure kg to orbit essentially the instant SpaceX starts recovering them on a regular basis.

>ignoring how much more cost efficient spacex is than nasa
It's basically impossible to overstate how important this factor is

>>15755896
Starlink will be the biggest telecom company in every relevant metric by 2031

Now is the time for a real question.
How will SpaceX solve this issue?

>>15755951

>>15755951
After successful launches

>>15755925
27 Watts/(m^2) at what distance from the light source? Also, light source wattage is measured from power draw, not output, so there's efficiency losses to be accounted for.

>>15755951

>>15755127
R A R E
F L A G S

>>15755951
The locking actuator will be the most complicated thing to engineer, so for the first couple dozen flights it'll just be a mexican in an EVA suit strapped to the payload bay wall, and he'll be responsible for unlatching or securing the door when needed with a common tractor pin

>>15755837
>Verona Rupes, on Miranda
thanks. Now that I think about it, Europa has very many cliffs and generally a very bizarre landscape. Can't wait for Europa Clipper

>>15755925
the watts/m^2 value depends both on how many watts the source is putting out and how far away you are from the source.
>>15755963
>Also, light source wattage is measured from power draw, not output, so there's efficiency losses to be accounted for.
not sure about this, I've seen light bulbs specify how many watts of light they put out

>>15755988
>>15756001
Why the fuck is it like that

>>15755849
I don't like where neuralink is going

>>15756003
thin ice crust over ocean, and very geologically active

>>15756004
there's really nothing nefarious about it except that its limitations are fairly clear and will require leaps in technology to pass over before we can get excited about its potential

>>15755925
>>15755995
It’s practically next to what I’m trying to “light”. anywhere from ~0.5 to 2cm away.

>>15755920
ice pick

>>15755995
>not sure about this, I've seen light bulbs specify how many watts of light they put out
I'd certainly believe that some more technically-oriented suppliers would list this, but with any normal commercial product I'd expect it to be a lie or linguistic marketing voodoo

>>15756004
>neuralink is doing something that has been part of their roadmap for several years
>oooooohh, boy, I don't know if I like where this is going, guys
Are you mentally challenged?

I had the chance to invest in neuralink but I passed. There are other teams doing non invasive BCI’s. I’m an Elon fan but this is a competitive space. I already got $50k into SpaceX so I’m Gucci.

Soon

>>15756037
yeah some other one is trying to get into the brain through blood vessels
but you know these technologies might work in tandem as well

>>15755920
Just ignore it, bro.

>>15755849
>>15755863
>The study will take approximetaly 6 years to complete
fucking hell I hope they can start other trials in parallel otherwise this thing is not getting approved before 2040

>>15755951
>>15755969
>(11032AD) Archeologists have unearthed a large metal structure from the wetlands of southern Tihas, it is believed to be a helmet from an armor set dated to 2000AD, bolstering the theory that giants once roamed the Earth.

Total nuspace SPAC scam death

>>15756004
The thing that concerns me with Neuralink is how Elon's primary reasoning seems to be "if we give AI a way to enslave us then it will be less likely to exterminate us."

>>15755157
I wonder if people actually believe all the "yeah yeah we can totally launch half the Kuiper sats by 2026" from Arianespace, ULA and BO
There was more than 2 years between the 1st and 4th Atlas V launches and it's pretty much the only rocket that didn't have any failures in its first launches, for Ariane 5 it's more than 3 years with 1.5 failures, and BO never launched a fucking orbital rocket.

>>15756196
And at least ULA is keeping some Atlas for the first launches, but the idea that BO is going to launch a significant amount of sats before July 2026 is hilarious.

So let me get it straight...
SpaceX failed to
- test second stage reentry on Falcon, so the tiled heatshield tech is completely untested for Starship and it was the major failure factor for Space shuttles
- test propulsive crew landing via suicide burn maneuver, and now they have to somehow test and certify this completely new thing for a giant fucking Starship instead of a Crew Dragon
- test the completely new fuel type and engine on a smaller Falcon rocket before fitting it on Starship
Also add
- completely new stage capture system
- the fact that no super heavy rockets were built by any private company yet
Now they are already adding stuff like hot staging on top all of that, and I'm sure there's more to come...

>the website formerly known as twitter
god why is Felon such a retard, I don't want to watch streams on that garbage

>>15756196
>"yeah yeah we can totally launch half the Kuiper sats by 2026"
It was a bit more credible of a claim back in Q1 2022. This was back before Vulcan and Ariane 6's last round of big delays. If everything had gone to schedule both of those should have launched their first vehicles by now.

Kuiper also got double screwed when ABL went radio silent about RS1. Those test satellites have had to change rides twice.

>>15755766
hueger than an xbox

>>15756229
is this a bot post? it reads like one

>>15756229
>X will be flying on X
>so they're testing X on X

but you think that
>X will be flying on X
>so they should first test X on Y

that is retarded and you're a shitty troll
(you)

>>15756229
>second stage reentry on Falcon
This was never economical

>tiled heatshield tech is completely untested
Shuttle showed that there are times when it's a terrible idea but tiled TPS is several decades away from being an untested technology

>propulsive crew landing
Starship is going to fly several hundred times before they even consider putting crew on it

>completely new fuel type
People have been working with methalox engines since the eighties. Again, it's not a new technology, and even if it was it's not that different from RP1/LOX

>>15756229
Yeah, it does have the kind of vibe to it. There's a lot of shallow emotion but it doesn't really seem to understand how to make a point with it

can anyone explain what the bling on the cargo bay is?

>>15756250
Second stage was originally planned to be reusable on Falcon, so your argument is invalid, retard. No they don't have any experience with heatahield tilea because of that stupid desicion.
Suicide burn landing with crew was origonally planned for Crew Dragon on Falcon, so your shitty argument is invalid again. Now they have no experience and certification for propulsive landing with a crew inside.

>>15756259
>talk about human safety
>"it was never economocal!"
Heh.
And methane is pretty damn new for space tech and you know it.

stop replying to the troll idiots

>>15756273
Kill yourself, shill. If you have no arguments, why the fuck are you on /sci.

>>15755530
I only just now realized you think I'm some flerfer retard, but no: I was making fun of RFA fkr being fucking vaporware company chinese tier new-design-cgi-render-every-week bullshit scam artists, not implying that spaceflight isn't real.

>>15755883
>>15755925
>>15756021
wrong thread buddy, if you want weed growing light tips go to >>>/diy/

>>15756276
eat my socks.

>>15756269
yes originally planned, but turn out it doesn't make any sense so they dropped it
you are seriously saying it would have made sense to just test tiles for no other reason than to just test them? at first they weren't even going to use tiles
basically just waste engineering resources on random shit because reasons
great idea dude

>>15756269
https://www.jaxa.jp/press/nasda/2002/lng_020508_j.html
This is an old JAXA page where they're talking about their progress working on CH4 engines. It's from 2002.

This also isn't counting Soviet experiments with methane. Those mad scientists tried damn near every propellant combo they could think of so they don't count the same as a more serious project.

>>15756229
cope harder. doing a new rocket instead of changing the old one radically is the objectively correct call.

>>15756229
They've learned half their R&D work through Falcon 9 already
Also they have literally tested Starship tile reentry and guess what, it worked
Nice try doomershtein

https://archive (dot) ph/20230919193648/https://www.wsj.com/tech/justice-department-probe-scrutinizes-elon-musk-perks-at-tesla-going-back-years-3493e321

More frivolous shit from the DoJ, this time directly at Musk

>>15756297
So instead of testing entire reentry process on a smaller rocket, it's better to skip testing completely and do it on super heavy, which will increase the complexity of the problem exponentially. Great idea.
Same goes for crewed landings. And that doesn't even require any engineering resources, since engines are already there. They just dropped every since thing on the biggest fucking rocket, which is a huge fucking engineering problem by itself, even if you remove all reusability and crew.

>>15756320
>changing the old one
It was originally planned like that, you fucking retard. They changed the plan to make it faster and cheaper. The smaller rocket was supposed to be the testbed for all BFR tech, so the only thing left would be scaling it up (which is still super hard). Now they try to fit all of that shit on a rocket that doesn't even fly yet with zero experience with those things (which is ridiculously hard x100, what the flying fuck were they thinking)

>>15756345
You're retarded. This way is easier.
Also what the fuck are you baiting?
Starship has had tons of test flights literally more than any other rocket ever had.

>>15756345
yes, its better to skip it if you don't need it at that moment
do the testing when it actually advances your goals, don't do random ass shit for no reason because you might use it at some point in the future
how would you test crewed landings with some other vehicle exactly? nothing like Starship has been tried before
the best way to test it is to just perfect it with non-crew payloads, just like they did with Falcon 9 landings
iteratively get it better and better, at some point succeeding and then keep perfecting it until you get it every time
please tell me how you would test the bellyflop manuever on some other crewed vehicle for Starship? you make zero sense

>>15756344
I can't wait for the tell-all memoir about all this persecution crap the admin is pushing on DoJ

>>15756361
>please tell me how you would test the bellyflop manuever
Exactly, so now having zero certification and experience with any kind of crew propulsion landing, they have to do that, but with belly flop AND giant super heavy rocket size. Genius move indeed.
Meanwhile by the time Starship is finished, they could've done dozens of crew dragon propulsed landings as a proof of concept and to gather statistics/show that it's a reliable landing method for humans.

>>15756344
it's over

>>15756375
Just incredibly nonsensical. Nobody is worrying about crew. They want to fly starship 100 times a year at as low cost as possible.
That is the highest priority.
Why do you think landing crew dragon on superdracos would have helped them more in achieving their goals than building Sn8 through 15?

>>15756382
>Nobody is worrying about crew
Exactly my point. Just postpone the hardest stuff for tomorrow, surely it will fly good lol. And hot staging copeout is where the problems already begin...

>>15756265
The payload is clipping through the cargo bay

>>15756390
Your argument is entirely incomprehensible.
The first thing they tested at Boca was propulsively landing the second stage.
They did that over and over again until it worked.
What is even your point, that they didn't right away go for nasa certification?
Do you not remember how Falcon 9 got certified? They flew a bunch uncrewed to gain confidence in it.

https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-falcon-9-record-17th-launch

https://twitter.com/SpaceX

should be in about 4h 30min

>>15756412
https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/

>>15755849
https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1704250753299427739

Apparently Neuralink has developed some app so you can control a computer more directly than just moving a mouse around

>>15756420
>an app
it's called a computer program

>>15755648
>>15755669
Assuming the collision stops you, at 10 km/s every part of your body and vehicle would release significantly more energy significantly faster than the same amount of high explosives detonating.

>>15755710
How would that maximize congressional spending and contractor profits????

>>15756422
everything is an app now
the zoomerisation of computers

So like this is a bit of a silly question, but we have a drone on Mars, so why hasn't it taken a pciture of Olympus Mons, the tallest mountain in the solar system? It's 24 kilometers tall and i think having a picture of it would be really fascinating. Is it just a question of low priority combined with the drone being very far away from it?

>>15756422
>>15756429
Apple has been calling them apps since the Lisa.
It's not a zoomer thing.

>>15756430
ingenuity is just a tech demonstrator, it's not designed to perform any science or collect any data beyond proof that it's possible to fly a drone on Mars. I'm sure one day we'll have a fleet of drones flying all over Mars with specific data collection missions.

Space engine in vr is pretty fucking cool, bros.

>>15756436
Think it will be in the next few decades? Man i'd love to see some good pictures of Olympus Mons in my lifetime.

>>15756430
the helicopter is connected via xigbee radio to the perseverance rover which is thousands of miles away from olympus mons.
>>15756440
we'll see good pictures of everywhere on mars once people land on the regular.
humans with a rover are very good at traveling long distances.

>>15756430
>Maximum Altitude: 12m
>Olympus Mons height: 21,229 meters
Bit of a disparity. Also doesn't help that Jezero crater, where Ingenuity is right now, is on the other side of the damn planet and it has about a 1,000m theoretical range before it gets out of contact with Perseverance which it needs to stay in contact with to relay flight data and know what to do

>>15756442
zigbee xigger

>>15756440
who knows what we'll accomplish in a post-Starship world

>>15756440
This was a proposal like 15 years ago. These things go slow.

>>15756446
Just land like 10 Starships full of drones in different spots at Mars, you could cover a lot of ground, then use the Starship as a relay station
or perhaps you don't evne need that if you build a Martian Starlink that could communicate directly with the drones (like starlinks should be able to with normal mobile phones in the near future)

>>15756437
zoomer

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1704237872004694260

>>15756457
Can you at least post news with actual sources than mere headlines.

>>15756457
>suing
Waste of time, skip right to hiring a foreign army and invading the east coast to barricade DC and force total capitulation of the US government.

>>15755653
Basically they went in and thought they could build things for a small rocket but then they were like:
>oh fuck SLS Block 1B is a heavy girl, shit we need to redesign everything now.
Redesigning shit mid construction is never a good thing.
It balloons the costs for most construction projects that suffer the same fate.
But there’s also a lot of other weird NASA stuff on there.
Like “weather instrumentation” that was supposed to cost $160k but now costs $430k now, because… reasons.

>>15756460
I think its just about the motion to dismiss on constitutional grounds thing

>>15756454
Could you elaborate on how you came to this conclusion?

>>15756469
Only zoomies play that game slop. The dev is a tranny with a consumption fetish.

>>15756430
The atmosphere at the top of Olympus Mons is much thinner than where Ingenuity is. It couldn't fly at that altitude

>>15756484
Even Eager Beaver has handwaved tipping SS over as an easy habitat option but like, every time I've seen SpaceX tip their tanks over they fucking collapse under their own weight. What am I missing here??

>>15756485
>What am I missing here??
1 atmosphere of pressure differential

>>15756485
The fact that Mars has much less gravity than Earth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK1A8rORBo0

>Nematodes and Tardigrades – Real Interstellar Passengers
>While NASA is currently working on sending more humans to the Moon, and eventually to Mars, scientists of Project Starlight at the University of California, Santa Barbara, are working on the future of interstellar space travel – sending probes, and eventually people, out of the Solar System and into interstellar space to explore the Galaxy. Before we ever have the technology to send humans, we plan to send tiny animals that have been shown to tolerate extreme environments of cold, heat, the vacuum of space, extreme dehydration, high accelerations (tens of thousands of g’s), and high doses of radiation – and survive unscathed. These hearty creatures are Caenorhabditis elegans, or C. elegans for short – a ubiquitous species of nematode found in compost piles and soil samples world-wide, and the water-dwelling micro-animals called Tardigrades, otherwise known as Water Bears. These tiny creatures have already been in space during the Space Shuttle program and have flown on the International Space Station.
https://www.deepspace.ucsb.edu/projects/ets

>>15756494
rocket garden has been shoad

>>15756495
university research is so dumb.
you would rather send a computer than an animal, especially some gay microbe that doesn't do anything.
anything less than human does not cross the threshold of intelligence to tip usefulness vs expenditure balance.

>>15756501

>>15756505
land being cleared at boca chica village for expansion (upper portion of the pic)

>>15756508
forgot pic

>>15756509

>>15756513

>>15756440
Olympus Mons is kind of too big to really take a picture of, in the sense that you're thinking. It's a shield volcano with an extremely gradual slope. Yes, it's 13 miles tall, but the thing is also the fucking size of Poland. There are some pretty spectacular cliffs in some places around its edge, but the rest is a gentle incline.

>>15756513
if you parked your car in the spots by the deluge tanks during a launch, would it be fine?

>>15755820
Wow, you are fucking stupid

Behold, the west's only operational small rocket

>>15756537
>small lift rocket
WHO THE FUCK CARES

>>15756550
/sfg/ - spacex fanboy general

>>15756501
More to come, eventually Starhopper WILL get scrapped

>>15756552
Medium lift is cool, small lift is negroshit

>>15754869
>Sea was held
>在上海召开
Do you even read the shit you post?

>>15756565
I used a translator.

>>15756412
Imagine Super heavy launching multiple times a day.

>>15756552
Firefly currently has a 50% success rate, Rocketlab has a 90% success rate, SpaceX has a 99% success rate with F9 and a 100% success rate with Block 5, despite flying it 5x as much as Electron. It's not fanboyism when one provider is objectively better than the rest.

If you had psychic powers and could instantly kill anyone anywhere just by thinking it, how fast could you get Starship to orbit?

>>15755905
>unless it has significantly better ease/speed of reuse than shuttle
I don't mean to be rude, but you sound like you're literally retarded

>>15756575
It's tricky, because just slaughtering bureaucrats is unlikely to actually speed the process up and will more likely stall things at first. I could certainly get the world into a state where bureaucratic obstruction to Starship is nonexistent-to-minimal before the end of the year.

>>15756575
The world would suddenly have alot less third worlders

>>15756552
No shit, this general only exists because the silly little booster reuse company decided it was going to build a giant ass interplanetary transport system rocket that dwarfs even the Saturn V and they suddenly started building tanks at their maybe-Falcon-9-launch-site in the middle of nowhere Texas. Reminder that when /sfg/ really became a thing, which is still pretty recently all said and told, F9 wasn't even launching like how it is today. Them being le ebig monopoly really only happened starting around 2019-2020 when Starlink started launching and F9 launches went from every so often to pretty much all the fucking time. Shit has ramped up QUICK—and while I am not personally a 1, there is no shame in being a 1 considering how fucking fast SpaceX has disrupted all the other absolute grifting faggots in this gay industry

>>15756344
How is this not called out as the most corrupt admin in recent history? Has there ever been an administration that has gone after private citizens for political disagreements this publicly?

>>15756608
Shit like this happens ALLLL the time. You just have bias because a) these stories sell like hot cakes so they are covering them as opposed to these things just happening in the background, and b) you have confirmation bias so every time you see a headline on Musk you think he is being personally attacked often. Every company in every industry deals with bullshit like this all the damn time

>>15756612
>its confirmation bias
>predicted by /sfg/ before Biden came into office
>NOOOO ITS JUST SCHIZO!!!

>>15756619
You need therapy lmao

>>15756608
No, in the past they were way better at keeping quiet about it, these new retards can't do anything right. They tried making a ministry of truth and didn't even change up the name. They're not sending their best, folks.
Anyway here's Mars on sol 917.

>>15756631
a competency crisis even in the political grifting class lmao

>>15756631
nice pic of the nevada desert.

>>15756669
Nevada is way less hospitable than Mars and will never be terraformed for human life

>>15756671
youre tripping right?

>>15756612
Reality-challenged Musk fanboys really need to be euthanized.
The vague overlap between /sfg/ and space company CEOs is truly unfortunate for us.

>>15756672
Phoenix is similarly inhospitable to human life, you cannot exist there without life support.

https://twitter.com/NASA_SLS/status/1704239145441247404

>>15756674
(((us)))
Fuck off discord tranny

when's the next daytime starlink mission? why do they all have to launch at night now?

>>15756698
That's weird. The next two we've got times for are launching at dark o'clock too. How long has this been going on?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcVemtPOebg
Anyway, SFN is live. T-60:00

someone post some senator memes, I need a chuckle

Reminder, Starship base is led by a woman now. No, not Shotwell, but McKenzie. You know the woman in one of those Starbase images. She's leading the Starbase operations. In the past, it was another Indian American leading the base. But he was moved to another post because Musk and Shotwell considered him "too nice" as in too reserved/unable to criticize the faults in others when they fuck up.

>>15756714
On second thought, actually maybe McKenzie isn't a woman's name but a guy's name.

>>15756719
Depends, is it a first name or a second name in this instance?

https://twitter.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1704239565383364778

>>15756722
I dont recall, it was was from the Walter's book. Juncosa/McKenzie are the goto "fixers" of Elon. McKenzie was assigned the task to oversee Starbase/Starship afaik

>>15756719
>>15756722