/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15549844
a prerequisite to eugenicism is polygamy/hypergamy

The "eugenicism" by your example will lead to the eradication of the beauty of the white race, reducing the beautiful colors we have to various shades of brown. We got by pretty well in all white societies throughout history so whatever you're proposing seems pointless.

>>15549847
You are wrong.

>>15549847
No, people tend to mate assortatively you just encourage the better couples to have more children

>>15549844
Can't we just have both?

>>15549844
Poor whites>the wealthiest niggers

>>15549848
Just because some color mixing happens doesn't mean its absolute, there is billions of people.
I would guess if all the other colors than whites got deleted we would just become more and more albinos because of the genetical similarities in skincolor

just fix your own nations buddy, i see why’d want to leave but playing this dumb game is going to leave the world in a much tougher spot

>>15549862
It is absolute, one pollution mixes it all together and increases the chance of random swarthiness appearing generations later and a general ugly mulatto appearance. The one drop rule existed for a reason.
>we would just become more and more albinos
You have np idea what albinism is, do you?

>>15549876
Mutations literally happen when same genomes interact, thats why they are called mutations silly

>>15549881
Shut the fuck up

>>15549844
This is a purely utilitarian perspective. There still exists simple genetic and racial interests (also if you like, aesthetic). Loving your family/people/race simply because you do and wanting their continuation.
For example, if only Japanese people were moving to the West in droves, they would bring with them virtually zero crime, high productivity and intelligence etc., so the usual arguments against low IQ third world immigration don't apply, but inevitably bringing in too many will change the fabric of your nation, and in the long term you risk the extinction of your people. Suppose the country in question was Denmark. Danish people have every right to want to continue to exist, and keeping their country and nation alive.

>>15549860
AFRICA FOR THE AFRIKANDER, right?

>>15549897
Global white supremacy
White Earth

>>15549860
Wrong. White trash can be much worse than a stereotypical inner city African american.

>>15549844
Regression to the mean etc
>>15549946
>can
nice qualifier bitch

>>15549848
Generally agree. But hapas can be quite good looking too.

>>15549844
I have always been an IQ supremacist

>>15549967
There's more to it than IQ though. Look at the East Asians; they have a high average IQ but hardly 1% of the achievements of Europeans in any field.

>>15549946
>White trash
White trash just has challenging socioeconomic conditions. Biologically speaking they are perfect

>>15549844
>>15549967
Coincidentally, IQ suprecism will lead to the eradication of 95% of blacks.

>>15549848
you can easily dye your hair, bleach your skin and use coloured lenses
and that's without considering genetic modifications for something as trivial as melanin expression

I will accept eugenics just to spite inferior polchuds even if my own race is wiped out

>>15549986
Though he mainly mentioned colors, implying eye, skin, and hair colors that are virtually unique to the European race, just as if not more important is facial structure and the like.

>>15549991
Socialists have the lowest IQ among all political groups, and libertarians have the highest.

>>15549996
Cope. See you when we get eugenicized you faggot

>>15550004
I mean google that and find out for yourself

>>15549985

>>15549975
On paper they should accomplish a similar amount to Europeans. I guess they developed later, even to this day 70% of China's workforce have not finished high school.

It's still weird that Korea doesn't have any nobel prizes while Japan has many.

>>15550021
On paper, only if you consider IQ. But there are obviously other factors (time preference, inquisitiveness, creativity, openness, autism etc.). Even today, let's look at the best mathematicians today
https://research.com/scientists-rankings/mathematics
The overwhelming majority are European or Jews mixed with Europeans.

>>15549891
Danish people should be eradicated.

>>15550012
>g-g-g-google i-
Shut the fuck up you genetic abomination.

>>15549996
All socialism is just the most inferior genociding the superior.

>>15549844
Why not both?

mods?

>>15550070
what mods?

>>15550021
>It's still weird that Korea doesn't have any nobel prizes while Japan has many.
From what I heard South Korea has way more fucked up society than Japan. They got westernized so rapidly that there's barely anything holding the people together.

>>15550074
On this cursed board? I don't know what I was thinking...

>>15549844
>doesn't know about out breeding depression
If you are implying that the smart browns and the smart whites breeding together will have a positive overall outcome then you are delusional.
Historically 3rd cousin breeding ends up being the best.

>>15550111
>Historically 3rd cousin breeding ends up being the best.
No I don't think there's enough evidence to support that only hat 3rd-4th seem to have a natural attractedness and higher baseline fertility rate.

>>15549844
Why not both?

>>15549844
You image assumes selecting for intelligence and manners. Currently, females drive the evolution of our species. And they choose men who are white, tall, loud and assertive, and preferable blond hair and blue eyes. They are not selecting for intelligence. Some intelligent or short men will pass on their genetics if they have enough money, power and social status

>>15550196
Naturally, selecting for European features would select for intelligence by proxy.

>>15549847
More intelligent people are inclined to marry a single person and stay with them for the rest of their lives (Obvious in racial statistics as well, Asians have the highest marriage rate, then whites, then hispanics and then blacks; Being married to a single person and building a family with them is indicative of high IQ, and building long-term relationships are highly correlated to IQ). Retards are inclined to fuck every thing that moves. They will, be they men or women, actively engage sexually with multiple people, and are less likely to stick around for kids and more likely to cheat and divorce as well. Retards are Alpha males in a polygamous world.

Polygamy ultimately might be Eugenic, but it will be eugenic only in terms of physical fitness, at the cost of mental fitness. If you think mental retardation is an appropriate wage for being physically fitter, then your point makes sense. If by eugenic, you mean in terms of intelligence, then your point is moot.

>>15550218
What about the 50% of Europeans who are below 95 IQ?

>>15550229
You're talking r/K spectrum
it's not tied to IQ
>Retards are inclined to fuck every thing that moves.
actually there's a strong promiscuous high IQ r component

>>15549844
this is fine aslong as the wogs are in their own countries

>>15550236
No it's not. Their countries are shit. We can't let the smart guys rot in their own countries

>>15550237
just get rid of stupid people

>>15550237
>Unrelenting mass immigration is fine aslong as their abstract g value is above an arbitrary threshold
No

>>15550234
You specifically said blue eyes and blonde hair. Features most concentrated in and around Germany and Scandinavia. These parts of the world have an IQ higher than the 95 seen in Balkans and Southern Europe.
And I said by proxy. It won't be perfect, but in general if one were to select for blonde hair and blue eyes, it would be eugenic for intelligence as well as people with blonde hair and blue have an IQ about 20 points above the world average. And more generally, those parts of the world where those features are most common are also the parts of the world responsible for the overwhelming majority of accomplishment in all intellectual domains.

>>15549848
This has to bait, but I'll bite.

Beauty is neither eugenic, nor is it as objective as you present it to be. You might find white's beautiful, your brother might find Asians beautiful, and your sister perhaps blacks. There is a larger social and environmental effect on one's standards of beauty than you might think.

>We got by pretty well in all white societies throughout history so whatever you're proposing seems pointless.
They don't exist anymore. Do you want to work for a better future or do you want reminisce on the long-gone past? Your habit of crying over spilt milk is pointless, work on cleaning up the mess in the most feasible manner rather than just complaining and suggesting impossible measures, or trying to go back to the past to fix past mistakes.

>>15550240
Unrelenting mass immigration is ok if they're high iq

>>15550250
>Dude, just destroy your people lmao

>>15550241
If that's true why have the swedes always been lower IQ than the Italians who are arabs with black hair and black eyes?
Btw blond hair isn't common in Britain or France. They aren't Nordic.

Btw this is besides the point. Blue eyed people already only exist in the west. In order to boost the IQ further we need immigration of high IQ individuals.

>>15550248
>Long-gone past
that 'long-gone' past is still within living memory and what has been done can be undone. if the clock shows the wrong time you put it back or forward

>>15550253
>Low IQs are your people

>>15549860
Would you rather have a millionaire-family Ivy grad scientist with a 150 IQ, sociable and physically fit, good looking person as a partner or a west-virginian methead convict with a 75 IQ and schizophrenia, and horrendously ugly as a partner?

Think about your answer.

Now what if the first person was Black/Brown/Asian and the second one white?

If you switched your answer upon the finding out the race of the person, then you don't care about eugenics, IQ, achievement or whatever else you proclaim. You base your opinions off of emotion, not logic, and are better off pairing with the second one either ways.
If you switched, you value only an arbitrary metric of genetic closeness to yourself, not an actual qualitative human being. And if that's your preference, it's alright. Everybody can choose for themselves. But if so, you need to stop pretending it's about IQ, eugenics or anything that is measurably good, and just express your views honestly.

If you didn't switch, then congrats, you agree with OP post.

>>15550248
>just accept your genocide and replacement goyim!
Many countries have had mass deportation of non-natives. The only thing stopping Europe from doing the same is the will to do so. I for one hope immigrants continue to trash the cities, as sooner or later the masses would have to wake up to the reality before them in spite of all the propaganda. And if not, they did not deserve to continue existing.
>>15550250
There is more to a person than high IQ. High IQ Asians have done practically nothing in history. Where is their Beethoven? Their Bach? Their Mozart? Their Euler? Their Newton? Their Gauss?
Even ignoring that, would you accept someone into your home, share your kid's rooms, and eventually replace you because they're high IQ and won't shit up the place?
>>15550256
I speak in generalities. Northern Italians do have very high IQs, among the highest in Europe (and Southern Italy among the lowest). Also Italians aren't Arab, and your D&C will not work.
>Btw blond hair isn't common in Britain or France. They aren't Nordic.
Britain falls under the Germanic cluster. France less so.

>>15550267
Neither is also an answer.

>>15550267
why not just have smart white partners who are physically fit and not have any black people

>>15549844
Literal peasants gave birth to some of the greatest geniuses and some of the greatest people gave birth to the biggest degenerates. Eugenics is a fascist meme from the early 20th century and has long been debunked by advances in epigenetics and hereditary.

People aren't raised in a vacuum and the environment plays a huge role in shaping the development of an individual. You can see this in twin studies. Humans share 99% of the same genes with one another and apart from genetic diseases, all produce the same proteins. Take this nazi trash back to /pol/.

>>15550234
Africans don't count as European

>>15550269
>Italians aren't Arab
>Don't divide us
Shitalian detected

>>15550273
>what are outliers

>>15550275
The average IQ of Europe is 95.
Which means half the population is below 95 IQ. What about them?
You're one of them, are you afraid of being labeled subhuman? Is that why you think you're a genius when you actually deserve to be flayed?

>>15550276
Being a mutt really doesn't matter all that much, Ashkenazi Jews are mutts and they're the most accomplished group on average.

>>15550273
>yeah bro selective breeding doesn't work bro
>breed these two beef cattle together I'm sure you'll get a high milk yield bro

>>15550282
>most accomplished group on average.
most subversive

>>15550258
But it cannot be undone now. It could never be undone. It is a useless pipedream. Even after slaves were freed and people were still commonly racist, they couldn't eliminate black people from society.
Once you get a people established in a country, it is impossible to get rid of them. Just as it would be impossible to send White Americans back to Europe.
And genocide isn't an option, I'm sure you can understand why and I don't need to explain.
The clock is not showing the wrong time. It is showing the right time, the reality. The reality that whites are now a minority in the US among Gen-Z. So what do you do now. Do you sit on your ass and reminisce on the past, doing nothing, or do you stop further deterioration, and work towards a better future. A future that requires working with Qualitative men of the new majority (non-whites). You might be a boomer, but this is reality for Gen-Z. It is truly a long-gone past for them.

>>15550285
Also the most accomplished.

>>15550259
>Low IQs are your people
By every reasonable measure of reality, yes.
>Uhm actually the people on the right are my people because they are le smarter than the people on the left, they are le stupid

>>15550273
IQ isnt hereditary? since when?

>>15550286
>Once you get a people established in a country, it is impossible to get rid of them.
history shows that this is a completely false statement and the forcible ejection, repatriation or movement of people has been a fixture of humankind for millenia

>>15550269
>mass deportation of non-natives
Nigga non-whites are more than half the young population in the US. It's over. No genocide, mass deportation, nothing can work to eliminate them at this point. You either work with them, or you get to Idiocracy timeline.

Also, mass deportations were somewhat feasible in the past for some populations. Not anymore. It would be really tiresome to explain why, but Iurge you to think why yourself.

>>15550287
at subversion and triggering replication problems

>>15550288
The science is settled. Dumb people have nothing to do with smart people. Dumb people are just cattle

>>15550271
Yeah, but then you have no kids. And it would be truly tragic and dysgenic without your kids and genes in the human genepool, so I plead with you to select, for the betterment of humanity.
>>15550272
This is presuming that you do have black people. Just as you DO indeed have them in reality. It is supposed to be a simple hypothetical, yet you can't answer.
>What would happen if you didn't have breakfast yesterday?
>But I did have breakfast. I don't understand the question
What does this say about your IQ?

>>15550269
>There is more to a person than high IQ. High IQ Asians have done practically nothing in history. Where is their Beethoven? Their Bach? Their Mozart? Their Euler? Their Newton? Their Gauss?
Although I agree with you, your ignorance of Eastern history shows

>>15550292
>It would be really tiresome to explain why
No it's really simple, jewish lobbysists pushed through hart-caller

>>15550305
I understood your hypothetical, i just chose to respond to it with another hypothetical since i don't consider your proposition to be worth answering on the grounds of "Uhhh u HAVE to pick between a nigger and a schizophrenic what now pal hehe" being stupid

People will ethnically segregate

>>15550235
r/k spectrum is indeed tied to IQ though. Why do retards have more kids and more partners? Among every race, the lowest education and socioeconomic strata will always have the most kids, and between races that is true as well, why is that?
>strong promiscuous high IQ r component
Interesting. Any source on that?

>>15550323
Rushton I think, he went in expecting a high iq K but came out with K not strongly correlating while r did.

>>15550316
You absolutely do not the point of hypotheticals. This is exactly what a sub-90 IQ person would say.

Also, if you choose to reject both, then it is clear that you treat them both as equally viable partners. It means you are the same as the person who switched. In which case read >>15550267

>>15550331
Interesting. I will have to read up on that. If true, it does indeed shatter my point though, so I concede.

>>15549993
s-sauce...?

>>15550332
>Also, if you choose to reject both, then it is clear that you treat them both as equally viable partners.
you are not intelligent

>>15550333
I's worth pursuing it to check if my words are correct or a misunderstanding.

K seems like a strategy that would allow midwits to be better able to survive and pass on their genes while a more r type would have to just adapt on the fly with better IQ.

Of course humans are quite a K type species already I would argue a bigger factor there might be food storage under harsh conditions.

>>15550315
You are extremely unintelligent. Please do the Eugenics movement a favor by getting a vasectomy.

>>15550340
Riddle me this Einstein, what would have happened if you missed breakfast yesterday?

>>15550356
you are not intelligent

>>15550353
But Jewish Lobbyists did push through Hart-Caller which led to opening up american immigration policy.

>>15550229
monogamy and pairing every single male to a female is extremely dysgenic. monogamy sounds good on paper, but then hot people mate only with hot people, mediocre people mate only with mediocre people and people who should be genetic dead ends end up mating with other genetic dead ends and it leads to what we have today. the weak and the stupid thrive. they should not. actually millions must die, unironically.

>>15550356
Well, shucks! If I missed breakfast yesterday, it would have caused quite a ruckus. You see, breakfast is mighty important 'round these parts, and it sets the tone for the whole day. Without a proper morning meal, I'd be as grumpy as a bear with a thorn in its paw.

Now, picture this: the aroma of freshly cooked vittles fillin' the air, and the sound of sizzlin' bacon in the skillet. If I missed breakfast, I'd be missin' out on a plateful of fluffy pancakes drenched in sweet syrup or perhaps some warm, buttery biscuits fresh outta the oven. And let's not forget about that strong, black coffee that gets your eyes wide open.

If I went hungry yesterday morning, I reckon I wouldn't have had the energy to tackle the day's adventures. I'd be movin' slower than a snail in molasses and as useful as a screen door on a submarine. Without a hearty breakfast, I wouldn't have been fit for nothin' more than sittin' on the porch and twiddlin' my thumbs.

But fret not, my friend, 'cause I made sure to fill my belly with a proper breakfast. I savored every bite and had my fill of those good ol' country flavors. So rest assured, I ain't missed a breakfast in ages, and I ain't plannin' on breakin' that streak anytime soon.

>>15550371
And then guess what anon the genetic dead ends successively breed less.
Historical records show that the upper 50% by wealth had 40% more offspring go on to reproduce.

>>15550292
I spoke of Europe. America is too far gone, and without balkanization I think it will just descend into Brazil.
I also just don't think multiracial societies can work. Multiethnic monoroacial soceities are already difficult (see: Balkans) though it can be done (Switzerland, Italy), but multiracial your population is so heterogeneous that some high level of unity -- imo core to a nation -- becomes impossible. People are naturally tribal (see American political polarization or the brown chimp-out in France). It also defeats the original meaning of nation (natio, a people), and you reduce it to meaning an economic zone and common borders.

>>15550378
>And then guess what anon the genetic dead ends successively breed less.
when I said "genetic dead ends" I didn't just mean obvious dead ends like people with dawn syndrome, but more generally people with mutations that would have been unfavorable in prehistoric times. take for example shit eyesight. now more and more people wear glasses because we allow people with shit eye genetics to reproduce and soon literally fucking everyone will have to wear glasses. people with celiac disease, lactose intolerance, even fucking type 1 diabetes (in which case the baby would not live a week in the old days) etc keep reproducing. there's thousands of diseases that would mean instant fucking death in ancient times, but in modern times we keep breeding these people because we stopped filtering for anything. what is this if not dysgenics?

>>15550389
eyewear makes myopia worse

>>15550389
>more people wear glasses because we allow people with shit eye genetics to reproduce
Iirc the elongation of the eyeball is more common now due to children spending less time outside (resulting in not inhibiting the eyeball growth past a certain age) rather than being a genetic predisposition (though that too is probably a factor).

>>15550362
>what would have happened if you missed breakfast yesterday?

>>15550424
my point is that if we let people with shit genes reproduce because muh monogamy, they will just litter the gene pool and cause every further generation to become more and more fucked up genetically. as someone once said on this board, it's not about the survival of the fittest anymore, but the survival of everyone. and that's dysgenicism in action.

once again, I think monogamy sounds nice on paper, but it's consequences are disastrous in the long run. oh well, I guess good thing is we're regressing back to polygamy and hypergamy because of feminism, leaving masses of men incels, so nature is healing I guess.

>>15550389
No I think the modern eye problems are due to not being out in nature exposed to natural light but inside staring at screens

>>15550379
I don't disagree that homogenous societies are better.
But UK's prime minister is Indian, so is Ireland and Scotlands. The streets of France are rules by black men. These were, and are, the two strongest countries of Europe. The minority allies and minorities themselves are collectively much more powerful than the anti-minority folk. And countries without that dynamic (Balkans, eastern Europe) are weak, poor shitholes.
So what mechanism do you suggest exactly here? Right now, Europes inevitable future is bleaker than America, because we get 89 IQ hispanic illegals, but you get 75 IQ African migrants. You point out a problem but no feasible solution? Nothing that might be better than OP post. Seems redundant to just complain.

>>15550440
You are wrong about the monogamy thing
monogamy forces the shit tier females out of the system while under polygamy shit tier women actually have more children because they have a lot of low tier men simping for them

>>15550449
>UK's prime minister is Indian, so is Ireland and Scotlands
lol I had to check scotland. what an island of cucks lmao.

>>15550449
>The minority allies
what race are these?

>>15550449
America at least gets peaceful catholics with modest IQs, europe is getting raped raw by violent low iq muslims

>>15550448
The screens don't really have much to do with it but you are correct about the lack of sunlight.

This feels more like a /pol/ thread than /sci/. What is it doing here even

>>15550021
Not that anon but you're not taking into account different goals and circumstances here.

China isn't interested in intellectual trinkets given out by Europeans. They're interested in economically and militarily dominating them. Hence why they were willing to blood trade over half their entire population to cheap unsafe labor to become economic "engine" of the world. Hence why they will just copy and steal your intellectual properties to make their own versions of it instead of wasting time to do the extra work.

Japan was the one interested in participating in the dog and pony show for those trinkets. Partly to become as socially and economically competent as European countries and partly to show off in front of the rest of East Asia. Meanwhile Korea (South Korea particularly) is still trying to get their bearings from being split in half and maintaining economic relevance in the face of China and Japan.

There's also the fact that recently nobel prizes are mostly focused on a few subjects. South Korea is mostly focus on manufacturing and telecommunications. Neither of those make the top 5 and barely the top 36.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0234612

>Five domains (particle physics [14%], cell biology [12.1%], atomic physics [10.9%], neuroscience [10.1%], molecular chemistry [5.3%]) have the lion’s share, accounting in total for 52.4% of the 69 Nobel prizes that we mapped, even though these 5 domains publish only 10.2% of all the Scopus-indexed papers.

>>15549858
this, best of both worlds

>>15550449
>So what mechanism do you suggest exactly here?
Mass deportations, as has been done repeatedly throughout history.
>You point out a problem but no feasible solution? Nothing that might be better than OP post
Eugenics is just as taboo and against the modern dogmas.

>>15549844
the ultimate redpill
it's an ideology incompatible with left and right politics

it's humanism in it's only real form

mass immigration is a tool of the native elite to use as a battering ram against the native lower class population

>>15549844
theres more to racemixing than skin color idiot

>>15550505
this is certainly one kind of filtering and leftism is dysgenic for sure, but what are we actually selecting for in this case? what are "extremely conservative" people like, genetically speaking? I wouldn't necessarily call it eugenics.

>>15550506
Who are these "native elite"?

>>15550389
it's way worse than minor physical defects
we descend from robbers, slaves, serfs, rapists and criminals
notice the little dip in brain size, that's civilization

we are getting dumber genetically and nobody cares

>>15550229
>More intelligent people are inclined to marry a single person and stay with them for the rest of their lives

So you're actually stupid enough to believe that shit huh? Protip, marriage to a single person and "staying" with them is affiliated with social and estate cohesion. Plenty of married people have had sex with others outside marriage, some have even had kids. The key is they don't associate those relationships or offspring outside marriage as "legit" thus the social status and the wealth of the estate are not bequeath to them. This is where the terms mistress and bastards come into play.

Don't be foolish enough to talk about race in that shit or you're going to get real disappointed with the actual fidelity rates.

>>15549844
/sci/ breaks /pol/ with facts and logic.

nazis will never recover. they pretend they are superior but eugenics will make them worse.
nobody gives a shit about your nationalism if it's just your petty selfishness.

>>15549844
Nigger jannies tongue my anus

>>15550506
Historically this is true, however currently Mass Immigration is used to prop up low birthrate populations so the socioconomical pyramid scheme doesn't collapse on itself.

>>15550539
No, that's a cover story to mass import invaders and fuck over the natives.

>>15550526
/pol/ loves facts and logic though?

but your type likes to censor these facts

>>15549848
>We got by pretty well in all white societies throughout history so whatever you're proposing seems pointless.
This. There really is no reason to believe that whites would be better off by breeding themselves to extinction. Whites countries are pretty nice places, and white people have done pretty well for themselves in the past. Africa at least has absolutely nothing to offer to us.

>>15550539
The two are related. What happens to a native species when a foreign species that occupies the same ecological niche is imported?
The foreign species competes with the native species until they reach a new equilibrium, sometimes resulting in extinction.
If a continent supports 100 million people, but 200 million people live there, they won't have children until they reach equilibrium again.
But instead we have a continent with 200 million, and because its dropping we bring in a new population which just grows itself in competition with the original population, so you don't net to 400 million, it eventually decreases to that 100 million, or however many the land can still support.

>>15549848
Right.

look at these two skulls
people are getting dumber and dumber with every generation
the average cromagnon probably had an iq of 150 and a memory capacity to rival your iphone
just envision how much more complicated his language was than english for example
how much better he was at orienting himself in space, remembering paths
how much more mentally stable
not suggesting abandoning civilization, but I think we need to make intelligence matter again or we are doomed as a species
it's crazy that for millions and millions of years we were getting smarter and our brains got bigger and bigger. Millions of years
and in a span of a few thousands of years we've regressed

we are to cromagnon as labs are to wolves

>>15549872
Yes.

>>15550286
There have been mass deportations in very recent memory all over Africa. Algeria, for instance, expelled a significant portion of its population back to Europe.

Mass deportations are possible, and they are necessary.

>>15550563
How tall was your cro magnon?

>>15550267
>Would you rather have a millionaire-family Ivy grad scientist with a 150 IQ, sociable and physically fit, good looking person as a partner or a west-virginian methead convict with a 75 IQ and schizophrenia, and horrendously ugly as a partner?
The white guy might have pretty daughters so i choose him.

>>15550248
female brain sizes have shrunk even more than male ones since civilization i read somewhere not sure if true
def brain size has dropped in modern humans regardless of sex
my explanation is civilization in various ways making intelligence obsolete and undesirable
intelligent people provide comfort through inventions, welfare through taxes and generally have fewer children than comparatively dumber people. Thus intelligent people are cucking themselves out of existence
in pre-modern time, violent people or people who had smaller brains that needed less energy/food, more obedient people, slaves, robbers etc were way more likely to survive

regardless, something crazy occurred some 20 thousnad years ago that a million year old trend was reversed.
also
LOOK at that slope, we'll be homo erectus in no time

>>15550297
dumb people build roads
they fix plumbing
they work as cashiers
they labor on fields
these people can be white and are instrumental to white societies

>>15550607
This. Also due to regression to the mean your kids will turn out normal or smart.

>>15550616
we've had a thread either here on or /his/ recently where we argued that society and civilization are inherently dysgenic because it allows people with subpar genes to reproduce and fuck up the gene pool.

>regardless, something crazy occurred some 20 thousnad years ago that a million year old trend was reversed.
agriculture

>>15550586
they were 5'9" sturdy big boned muscular 170 pounds males
women were also heftier and had larger skulls than modern women. still smaller than their male counterparts, but about as large as modern males
it's actually insane
cromagnon need to be cloned and studied
>>15550622
his kids will be dumber on average.
if a 1000 people with an IQ of 80 and 1000 people with an IQ of 120 had 100000 children the average iq of that population will be 100
same is true if the two 1000 person populations had an iq of 140 and 160 each, then the average will be 150.
Assuming IQ is 100% genetic children will regress to the mean of their parents. It's the most logical thing in the world

this is evolution and the entire basis of eugenics.
If you magically removed every person with an IQ below 85 the next generation will not 'regress to the mean'
the next generation will be on average smarter

in humans the opposite is occurring

>>15549844
Why not both.?

>>15550636
>5'9"
I advise you to research the giants, many were 7-8 feet tall
jim vieira is a good source
history is misleading

>>15549967
>>15550018

When you're offing yourself.

>>15550634
>>regardless, something crazy occurred some 20 thousnad years ago that a million year old trend was reversed.
>agriculture
no wonder. imagine the high IQ you needed to get by in hunter gatherer times. we need to go back.

>>15550586
being tall is dysgenic

>>15550666
Height is neutral

>>15550658
>>15550634
I disagree
what is EUgenic and DYSgenic is subjective. Obviously the traits that get transferred more often to the next generation are advantageous in one way or another. In the current civilizational setting intelligence is transferred less often which is why people are getting dumber. Not quickly, but slowly we are getting dumber. Not like smart people aren't allowed to breed but comparatively dumber people just breed more often. This is just a fact. People are getting dumber and have been for thousands of years now.

The solution is to reverse the trend. If we were to slowly get smarter again the problem is fixed. Many people think this means 'hey let's do eugenics by killing and castrating'. This will never work and is unnecessary. All you have to do is have smart people breed slightly more often than dumb people.
>but what is smarts
It doesn't really matter how it's defined. It's a cluster of characteristics. IQ, being good at math, science. Sometimes a 110 IQ person if they work hard can easily outshine some 130 mental midget in a rigorous intellectual field. Hard work is a positive trait.
Being dumb doesn't have a definition either and yet people are just getting dumber and dumber. Definitions are irrelevant.
So how to do eugenics? You don't even need to do laws
No real law changes are necessary, no major changes to our society, no civil strife is necessary.
It's all a matter of culture.

You have to spread two types of awareness/messages.

>first awareness/message
EVERYBODY must know from the age of 3 and have it ingrained into their internal psyche that dumb people are inferior. You don't want to be dumb. You don't want your kids to be dumb. Dumb people are ugly, unattractive. Promote this in hollywood movies. Make the smart nerd sexy.
Bully the dumbest kid in class, make them internalize their inferiority.
>second awareness/message
Simply tell people the truth. Intelligence is largely genetic. Put that shit in ads.

>>15549848
IO DONT CARE
FUCK YOU

ELIMINATE STUPIDS

>>15550684
how long do you think that would last? even if you convince literally every human on earth right now that intelligence is good and that it is genetic, they'll just regress back in a generation or two to prefer looks and being dumb again as they have for tens of thousands of years. you can't stop progre- I mean regress.

>>15550723
people are slaves and do what they're told and will always obey societal pressures
my point is that if people can get dumber with each generation due to societal pressures well that means they can also get smarter due to societal pressures

>you can't stop progre- I mean regress.
evolution doesn't work like that and you know it.

Reminder there is more to consider than IQ. You don't want a society of high IQ psychopaths or high IQ hermits.
You have beauty, honor, discipline, morals etc.

>>15550751
>if people can get dumber with each generation due to societal pressures
but I don't think it's societal pressure. we became dumber because after the invention of agriculture high IQ wasn't selected for anymore and society could thrive with dumber people. unless we literally go back to hunting and gathering, future generations won't need high IQ individuals either. I wonder what the cutoff IQ is for civilization to function, but I think we're nearing it.

>>15550658
>hunter gatherers
>chase animals around in the woods and die at 40
>agrichads
>go to the moon and invent everything of note

>>15550769
that's true on a societal level, but not on the individual level. as individuals, we're all dumb retards. as society as a whole, we're smart. which is better?

>>15550759
Low IQ whites are always punishing fascism because they can't compete with high IQ immigrants and therefore they want to kill them in chaos

>>15550776
>fascism is when you kill immigrants

>>15550776
Why kill them when you can enslave them?

>>15550764
To maintain an advanced civilization, it seems an IQ of about 90 or higher is needed. Lower and you get shitholes.
>>15550776
You're so smart xd. Bet you've read a ton of Wikipedia!

>>15550759
>You have beauty, honor, discipline, morals etc.
hyperpromiscuous, ADHD having, weed smoking, welfare grabbing, college dropping out, std having people are breeding like rats so those qualities are fucked too
nobody is saying IQ=intelligence or high IQ=a good person
read my post here >>15550684
it's just people are getting worse in terms of every trait commonly considered positive, not just IQ

also, i didn't read that hitler quote. It's his dumb commie nazis' fault that eugenics is so taboo now so fuck him

poltards itt are whining about their race shit too much
racism isn't eugenics
ashkenazi jews > whitoids and the germans committed a huge act of dysgenics when they tried to genocide the jews

racists giving eugenics a bad name is irritating af
I respect jared taylor for saying asians are smarter and that his racism is just about staying unique, homogeneous, not race mixing etc. and not about superiorty. Not that i agree with his politics but at least he's being honest and consistent there

>>15550793
>when they tried to genocide the jews
They didn't even the most out of touch 4chan user should be aware by now that this supposed genocide of ashkenazi jews you speak of never actually took place.

>>15550786
>also, i didn't read that hitler quote. It's his dumb commie nazis' fault that eugenics is so taboo now so fuck him
Germany was in large part fighting against all of this >>5167825, but I won't argue this further.
>>15550793
>when they tried to genocide the jews
I am really starting to wish this was true.
As for your picture, it shows a profound ignorance of what the Flynn effect is. Why don't you ask the discoverer of the effect (Richard Lynn, in fact). The gains in IQ from the Flynn effect WERE -- because the effect has now reversed in the West even among the natives, not just due to low IQ immigration -- in the least g-loaded subtests. They also attribute it to malnourishment virtually eliminated in European societies. Lynn argues of a serious dysgenic crisis, in particular with respect to intelligence (which is a necessary consequence, as some have pointed out in this thread, of high civilization in particular since the industrial revolution). People like him argue genetic potential for intelligence has decreased since the mid 1800s in the West. Estimates vary, but generally in the range of 8-15 points, or around 0.3-1 point per decade. For a compilation of evidence and arguments, read "Modernity and Cultural Decline" (preview: decreased reaction time, color discrimination, alleles associated with intelligence (in an Icelandic study), vocabulary usage, on top of now a reversal of the Flynn effect etc.). So, in accordance with that, to more accurately assess the intelligence of those in your image, add 5 points or so.

>>15550636
That doesn't even make sense in the context of IQ. And in your magic scenario IQ will always stagnate even if you kill lower 50% of the population every generation and the top IQ from previous generations will never be reached.
Measuring this regression using IQ is basically useless anyway because IQ is designed to be always the same distribution (roughly) so those different generations would necessarily be tested using different tests.

>>15550776
Killing is competition, life isnt a game

>>15550813
>(Richard Lynn, in fact)
Was in not Flynn? confusing.

>>15550827
>evolution isn't real
you have regressed to the mean IQ of an algae

>>15550813
Are you familiar with Helmuth Nyborg's research on testosterone and development?

>>15550832
Did you even read what I was replying to? Or if you were the one who wrote it, did you already forget what you wrote?

>>15550829
Lynn discovered the effect.
>The rising test scores have become known as the "Flynn effect'' after Flynn's massive documentation of the phenomenon. However, Rushton (1997b: p. 79) proposed that the rise in IQ phenomenon might be better named the ``Lynn Flynn effect'' because it was actually the Lynn (1982) article in Nature that first identified the trend in recent times (among the Japanese).
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Secular+gains+in+IQ+not+related+to+the+g+factor+and+inbreeding+depression%27&btnG=
>>15550833
I am not

>>15550835
if 1000 white people with an average IQ of 120 had kids, assuming panmixia, then the next generation will also have an average IQ of 120.
That's a selected group which is the entire point of evolution. It's completely irrelevant that whtie mean is actually 100. They won't regress to that mean, they will regress to the mean of their parents. Some kids will be dumber, some smarter but on average that's where they'll land

or do you think when a white baby is born regardless of its parents they just get a random IQ assigned with a mean of 100 and an SD of 15.

using white people as an example but it's applicable to any race or ethnicity

>>15550841
Huh? Never knew that. At least he Woodley reverse Flynn effect was actually named after its discoverer.

While looking for Nyborg's argument about testosterone, physical development and society I found this strange paper that europeans have bigger testicals...
https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2022/03/new-paper-out-europeans-have-larger-testes-than-sub-saharan-africans-but-lower-testosterone-levels/

Found the concept he described as "Double-Relaxed Darwinian Selection"
I have not watched either of these but he title seems right for what I looked into before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b1yk47r9oE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYvNvyVupgM

>>15550848
>Double-Relaxed
around blax, never double relax

>>15550813
That dead link is supposed to link to >>>/wsg/5167825

>>15550848
fuck off with that gay shit

>>15550848
>found an IQ difference between men and women of 4-5 points
but /soi/ told me we had the same average IQ?

>>15550861
Lynn has a book on sex differences in intelligence.

>>15550862
https://www.intelligence-humaine.com/picture/Nyborg%20sex%20differences.pdf

>>15549844
You cannot simply, declare something an evolutionary failure.

And being a target for your predation certainly isnt a criteria thereof.

The real redpill is that every creature from marmoset to seed pod is equally as evolved as you are. Theyve all had exactly the same amount of time. ~4 bn years.

The true redpill is that as far as natural selection is concerned, each and every life form alive today has achieved the most basic criteria for being alive. Because conversely if they did not fulfill this criteria they would indeed be NOT alive. Such as cancer patients and drunk drivers.

Some of these potato farmer types, have excellent genes for something OTHER than intellect.

Only someone given to bias would assume that IQ points were the only criteria that mattered.

I hope this has been edifying you nitwit.

>>15550867
>>15550862
Lynn uses shitty data from 1960. Which is more than 60 years ago. The world has changed by a lot.

>>15550896
>retard denialist reacts impulsivly at the mere mention of Lynn despite the paper not having a connection to Lynn
too many such cases

>>15550908
All these articles are usually from more than 30 years ago.
Knowledge doubles every 15 years. Doctors discard medical books written more than a decade ago because the knowledge is usually outdated and cannot be trusted. People thought radiation was good for health.

its very convenient to dismiss data out of hand when to conduct the same research today is heavily disincentivized

>>15550923
>People thought radiation was good for health.
Well it can be?

Now would you mind pointing out what specifically is wrong with Nyborg's sex and IQ paper?

>>15550934
This.

>>15550934
>when to conduct the same research today is heavily disincentivized
Unless you can construct the test to promote official victim groups as better than whoever the historical oppressor group are.

>>15549844
the smartest people tend to not wear suits

>>15549986
Or we could just remain naturally white and not try to copy it with mass cosmetic surgery like Koreans do.

>>15550248
>This has to bait
Why? Because it disagrees with your worldview? Kill yourself faggot.

Having a colorful race is objectively better than a brown one. Beauty is objective.

>and suggesting impossible measures,
A government enforcing eugenics is much more unlikely than a government deporting nonwhites or merely segregating.

>>15550759
High IQ correlates strongly with those traits. I think a White society which would eugenically select for IQ and beauty and instilled values of honor and discipline since childhood would be perfect.

>>15550449
More like 83 IQ.
>>15550463
Peaceful? Check the crime stats for cities that count spics separately from whites. In some ways they’re worse than blacks, in other areas they’re 2-3x worse than whites yet not as bad as blacks. They’re converting us into a 3rd world country as they become culturally dominant.

>>15551752
>values of honor and discipline
How about values of opposition to aggressive violence, kindness and humbleness instead of your autistic ideas of what makes a good person

>>15551802
Well we've seen that people who purely express these values tend to get invaded, conquered and subjugated.

>>15551802
Lol. Those "values" are core to what's destroying Western nations today. This is the real world, not some fairy tale utopia of love and friendship.

>>15551806
Instead of focussing on his own country and funding coups elsewhere like the soviets, Hitler decided to cause millions of white people to die, end his rule and ruined nationalism in Europe. And even tried to fight to the bitter end for "honor". Had he just stayed doing things in Germany his ideology would have won and spread to Britain and France naturally.

>>15551807
No, the elite are. White people did not vote for immigration.

>>15551811
Hindsight is 20/20, isn't it? He overestimated British foresight and underestimated their commitment to the total destruction of Germany.

>>15551812
democracy is arguably one of the biggest problems that led to this it allows the power of a country to be seized by external financial interests
A monarch is at least motivated to maintain their position and the people that support them. politicians have no consequences to their actions.

>>15551817
It would have been a very rational idea before the war for him to decide not to start a war to kill his own people, and stay on good terms with other nations instead and infiltrate their politics.

>>15551818
You're right but there isn't democratic rule, it's a bureaucracy pretending to be one

>>15551822
The only democratic system I accept is a direct democracy where those responsible for a community are subject to the consequences of their own action. Everything else is a farce.

>>15551822
Organsised jewery literally declared war on Germany in I think 1933 I think after germany pulled out of the debt based currency scam and put their economy back onto sound money.

>>15551826
And how did this force them to go to war?

>>15551822
>It would have been a very rational idea before the war for him to decide not to start a war to kill his own people, and stay on good terms with other nations instead and infiltrate their politics.
As if it was that fucking simple.

>>15551831
Worked well for communist jews

>>15551827
Why did soviets move to invade poland?

I've not studied the initiation of the second world war in a while so my familarity is lacking here. But from what I remember the rothschilds and others basically groomed warmonger guys like churchil into power.

>>15551836
You're thinking of the Focus group >>/wsg/5174681

>>15551836
To extend their power

>>15551836
You're thinking of the Focus group >>>/wsg/5174681

Mods, would you please move this thread to /pol/ or /his/ or some other board? It gave up all pretence of being a /sci/ thread if it ever was.

>>15551842
All of the discussion before >>15551806 is science related you whiny faggot

>>15551847
Like hell it was.

>>15549847
a prerequisite is limiting women's choices. Women have dysgenic standards

>>15551842
>he thinks mods ever look at this board

>>15550934
Maybe they were lying about the data 30 years ago.
You know how easy it was to buy a house 30 years ago? To become a doctor? The bar was very low.
I don't even respect scientists from 30 years ago, they are dumb and had an easy time

>>15551812
Whites could have voted for racist candidates a long time ago but they didn't.
There were guys like Hitler and trump a long time ago. They voted for immigration because they didn't vote against it.

>>15549946
> - t. has never actually been around inner-city basket ball Americans

>>15551929
>he thinks the votes matter

>>15551929
There are very few candidates, no parties, and the few party members that do just get expelled.

>>15551935
There was a video of a british politician Nick Griffin describing how forming any sort of right wing or nationalist party became effectively impossible due to the system.
or how the strongest support areas were then targeted for immigration

I can't find the actual video but this does encapsulate part of.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmDuPccLON4

>>15551952
found it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBXE39MkZx4

>>15551952
>Nick Griffin
That person was invited on BBC question time which is a show where the audience ask politicians and other political people questions and debate them. It turned out to be a huge set up to humiliate him, he had no idea what was going on and wasn't given a fair chance to answer their lies.

>>15551952
>>15551967
The strong control the weak that's how the world works ;)
Maybe if he was more racist, he would win more votes. After all, all whites are hitlers henchmen right? That's what you believe.

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