/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15381207
That's what she said.

>>15381207
We will rebuild

>>15381238
Might as well build a new tower and tank farm. And build up the rest of the factory instead of tents.

Like, build it correctly the first time?

>>15381207
holy shit
yeah thats gonna take some time heal

this is how starship does stage separation

>>15381285
thats uhhh..
well atleast we know it can keep itself together while doing spins

I don't get it, why didn't they use the water deluge system? They tested it a few months ago. Were they deliberating testing how much damage the rebounding sound can do?

>>15381285
that looks retarded.

>>15381285
I hope they keep that design for the manned flight like Dear Moon

>>15381280
https://youtu.be/8Zty_4MUm3g

One day to pour concrete, a week to cure and is as good as new.

>>15381285
if you look at where its actually spinning then its not too bad for any crew on board

>>15381252
>Like, build it correctly the first time?
and where can we see these blueprints of the "correct" builds ULAnon?

>>15381285
Imagine being the crew, weeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>15381212
Giga redditor. The post

>36 months to build a new state of the art launch pad
fuck me anons I think I might rope

>>15381285
passengers must clear bowels and stomach before launch
>>15381349
> 2 weeks of formwork

holy shit actually go back and listen to what they are saying during the launch
>>15381285
the flipping wasn't the problem it just didn't separate

>last thread is at page 6
>/SFG/
I fucking hate newfags. Lurk more you absolute fucking retard.

>>15381285
you´re on top of a rocket along with 50 other passengers to the moon, the journey will take 3-5 days or so, there are plenty of snacks and water onboard, you twiddle your fingers ready for launch. As everyone sits down, command center says "WE GAAAN" and the rocket lifs off, for 3 minutes you feel the increasing acceleration provided by super heavy until an automated voice says "initiating stage separation, please make sure your seat belts are buckled up and you have the given vomit bags ready"

out of fucking nowhere the rocket pulls severals g´s at 30km above air at demon speed, goes upside down, returns to horizontal and decouples from superheavy,you vomit along with everyone else, after the manouver the 6 raptor engines start up in the back but everyone still vomiting and crying, the stench is unbearable, some people are praying for god, others just sit there with a thousand yard stare, 2 or 3 kids are crying and the smell of shit is distinct and potent enough to be discerned, students are complaining and one has already broken down, the automated voice returns "Coasting to orbit, thank you for flying with SpaceX, Fly safe!"
you look into the filled vomit bag you hold with dread

>>15381420
if you look at how it will spin you will probably feel jack shit because your at the tip of the spin

>>15381420
>WE GAAAN
if I heard that I would pray for a rud even with me onboard

For some reason I didn't see this posted yesterday, but keep an eye on the waterline when the rocket begins to take off.

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1649097087248891904

> just build a flame trench bro

>>15381464
just one cubic kilometer of concrete, no big deal

>>15381207
this fart was juust slightly bigger than the others.

>>15381285
you can't be serious

stop early staging the thread retard. we were on

>>15381285
>>15381374
>>15381420
One must have an strong stomach to travel with Starship, I think I will wait for Dreamchaser.

>>15381499
would little kids be allowed on commercial starship flights? 99.9% of the travel to the moon is pretty calm and without bumps unlike airplanes, but that 0.01% will make kids shit themselves

>>15381252
What's the fun in that? SpaceX has plenty of fuck you money to just asplode into the next iteration.

>>15381285
Why are these steps required?

>>15381533
>Excitement guaranteed

>>15381533
To separate, sweety.

>>15381517
>would little kids be allowed on commercial starship flights?
Yes

>>15381207
I fully believe that Elon’s gambit was
>Scrape by on environmental approval shit to get one launch
>Do the launch, have it go flawlessly, completely obliterate local environment but it doesn’t matter because you proved the concept and can now GTFO of this wetback sanctuary and transfer all of your shit to the cape
Now he’s fucked. SpaceX is now locked into staying there for longer than they wanted and they’ll get absolutely raped by the EPAs and possibly won’t get another launch approval

>>15381315
Did they test it on the pad?

>>15381285
if they manage to accomplish this i'll kneel

>>15381384
Last page autism is stupid and I don't know why /sfg/ is so obsessed with other than being able to get a small dopamine but from calling others newfags. Once the thread gets past 300 posts, both the quality and quantity rapidly declined and the thread sits and rots until it finally shits out a 500th post.

>>15381533
If starship were to begin the flip at the start of that red box then it's angular momentum would result in it continuing to turn backwards, and needing to fight that with gimballing

>>15381581
because the mods get the final say
if we kept making new threads at bump limit than half of /sci/ would be dead /sfg/ threads

https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/04/so-what-was-that-was-starships-launch-a-failure-or-a-success/

last half is kino

>I used to regret coming into this world mere months after the final Apollo mission, thinking I had missed the great age of exploration. But I no longer do. In just the last six months, I have seen the launch of the two most powerful rockets ever built, the Space Launch System and Starship. I have seen the naming of not one but two crews that will fly around the Moon, Artemis II and the dearMoon project. As NASA says, we are going.

>Yet still more remarkably, during the last half-year, I have seen two dozen rockets land on a drone ship and fly again. We no longer treat this as remarkable, but we absolutely should. These now-routine Falcon 9 first stage landings at sea are a harbinger of the future. They are like the first fish to walk out of the sea 375 million years ago on Earth, beginning the extraordinary transformation of life on Earth. With these Falcon 9 landings—and now Starship—we are seeing the transformation of life off Earth.

>I turned 50 years old yesterday. In those five decades, we have gone from flying a fully expendable Saturn V rocket to the beginnings of a fully reusable Starship rocket. Much remains to be done, and Starship is a work in progress. But this is historic. No one really knows what our planet, our orbit, or our Solar System will look like with low-cost launch, frequent access to space, and essentially no constraints on mass. We have never experienced anything like that before.

>This is a far more wonderful and wild time in space than any that came before. There is incredible opportunity and peril. The future is unknowable but tantalizing.

>So I no longer have any regrets about missing Apollo. I am thrilled to be alive at this very moment in human history.

Berger is and always will be the best space journo

>>15381581
lurk moar newfag

>>15381533
Fling off the booster. Starship and the booster don't have explosive bolts or anything holding them together, it's just a very snug fit. That maneuver is designed to fling the booster off. So far it's zero for one in working properly but hopefully they got some good data out of it and can adjust the maneuvers for the next test.

Just launch it at sea via droneship Sea Dragon style

>>15381597
Mods don't seem to have that issue with any other thread, general or not. Sounds like a made up excuse for /sfg/ autism.

>>15381554
Nah, he was too overtly dubious about launch success.

>>15381581
Kill yourself you newfag retard. Imagine coming to a general and whining over how things are done. Either fit in or fuck off.

>>15381625
retarded newfag

>>15381625
Maybe because you haven't been here for more than a few days you retard?

>>15381625
holy newfag
what a fucking dumbass, a kind anon already told you the reason and you double down, fuck off

>>15381616
>Starship and the booster don't have explosive bolts or anything holding them together, it's just a very snug fit.
I didn't know that

>Hot stage
>Ullage engine
>A fucking spring
NOOO JUST FLIP IT

>>15381207

OHH NN

https://youtu.be/KJ-rnr3XvRQ

>>15381378
It lost control 40 seconds before nominal MECO at 600m/s and 35km

>>15381365
The earth is flat with a dome. They are never leaving this plane alive and neither are you. Embrace reality and reject the globohomo illusions, they are stringing you along for decades now (mostly via Hollywood movies and CGI).

Why don't we talk about the immense pollution (atmospheric, aquatic and terrestrial) of these launches and the extraordinary damage to the fauna and flora?

>>15381602
The only space exploration you get in this life will be CGI.

>>15381700
Because we don't care.

>>15381625
I always report new threads that get made before the old one hits page 10. Mods respond usually in seconds and delete the prematurely made thread.

Get fucked faggot.

>>15381700
These mock crafts end up in the ocean and are picked up by the navy.

SpaceX didn't realize the power they were creating.

>>15381700
Unironically nobody ever cared.
KSC and Kourou did imense local environmental damage, Falling stage from baikonur were so bad the Kazakh ssr sent an ultimatum to moscow during the USSR lol. China drops hydrazine filled stage on its towns every week

>>15381365

>>15381698

Except we can tell the earth is spherical without even looking at NASA photos or watching a Goyllywood movie.

But we should listen to the smooth brain flerf because reasons.

>>15381700

Oh no! All that (Checks notes) water vapor being released into the atmosphere.

>>15381533
They can't "afford" a 500 kg pneumatic system to separate the stages, so instead they'd rather burn 2000+ kg of fuel to do some flips. Yes, it's retarded.

>Clouds make curved dome shape, not parallel and straight with horizon
>"huh, earth must be a dome then"
lol

>>15381533
They aren't. The engine shuts off at step 3. This entire maneuver was supposed to be in near vacuum.

>

>>15381700
a drop in the ocean compared to global consumption and waste encouraged by states and central banks of totally unnecessary things used simply to keep made up economic figures "healthy". in one day people eating fast food globally will do more environmental damage than 100 years of total spaceflight development and use and thats before you get to the negative and positive outcomes of both (the environmental cost of obesity vs scientific monitoring of the earth from satellites for example).

>>15381420
the great virgin vs chad filter

>>15381554
meanwhile in reality he was doubting if it even got off the launch area

>>15381207
this is salvageable
t. used to repair infrastructure

unironically the glass/nuke the earth meme is true, the only way to convince all of humanity to reach for the stars is to make living conditions so unbelievably hellish that anywhere but earth is a good place to live

>>15381916
we're already on that timeline

>>15381744
That is the programming talking, not your thoughts. You can not tell it is a sphere, you only think you can because of your indoctrination (mind control). All your senses tell you it's stationary and flat, but because you've been programmed with the globohomo mind virus for decades it overrides your natural senses, so you make these retarded posts.

Eventually it all comes tumbling down, unless you are vaxxed and hooked up to the Borg along with all the IoT devices and gadgets. Then the mind control never wears out :)

>>15381285
Manned mission in this flying dustbin is going to kill people

>IESLB
>dishonest (you) farming

>>15381207
Digging the flame trench, one launch at the time.

>>15381285
It's a bold strategy Cotton.

But seriously it does eliminate the need for most if not all ullage thrust and a lot of RCS at least on the booster, which is rather interesting. Seems like Starship will still need some kind of a kick to settle it's fuel but the booster's fuel will settle from centrifugal force.
Obviously they've done it in sim so all the physics must be sound, and apparently the vehicle can handle the forces.

>>15381700
Alright, I'll bite. What pollution are you talking about?

>>15381980
Sound pollution
Light pollution

Many birds will leave their nests after hearing the sound of launch, their nests and chicks will be abandoned.
Some birds will simply fall down with their heads damaged.

Many turtles are going to the light of the moon after hatching, but SpaceX doesn't care and their launchpad is flashing like moon in the night.

>>15381980
>microparticles
>noise (this is a serious subject, it disturbs the fauna enormously)
>carbon black ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_black )
>debris and dust

And of course, this only concerns the rocket itself. If we take into account all the material and human environment around, the impact is even more considerable.

>>15381744
That is the programming talking, not your thoughts. You can not tell it's sphere, you only think you can because of the indoctrination (mind control). All your senses tell you it's stationary and flat but because you've been programmed with the globohomo mind virus for decades it overrides your natural senses, so you make these retarded posts.

Eventually it all comes tumbling down, unless you are vaxxed and hooked up to the Borg along with all the IoT devices, then the mind control never wears out.

>>15382026

Let me guess.... You probably think those are your original thoughts and you have broken free if your program?

Kinda sounds like something a programmed npc would say.

>>15382053
don't feed the troll

>>15382056

My bad. You're right.

>>15381700
while we are at it let's ban everything that pollutes more than the rockets.

>>15381285
This is the most Chad maneuver of the whole process. The tower catch looks like a joke now

>>15381285
This is stupid as fuck. Even playing Kerbal you’d know.

>>15381285
spin energy is too powerful bros

>>15381285
If I knew about this I wouldn't have expected it to reach orbit

>>15381700
unironically I am all for the chinese century. spacex should relocate

>>15381285
Doesn't the diagram SpaceX showed have only one half spin?

>>15381207
>>15381285
They should really stop taking Musks brain farts seriously

>>15382139
no its based and the only problem is there were no explosives to solve the separation issue

>>15381707
shoo shoo, away with you retard

>>15382147
>there's only the option of explosives or doing a retarded flip that wastes fuel

>>15381207
How will this impact the second launch site they are already building next to launch pad 39A? NASA will never let them launch Starship over there if it blows up the Crew Dragon launch facility in the process.

>>15382164
>wastes fuel
its the booster who cares you want to optimize for the ship going to space. (small) explosives will just mean there will never be a problem with separation.

>>15382173
That one is not supposed to be for testing

>>15381207
They’re not flying again this year

those oil rigs 100% would not survive starship

>>15381207
Any idea how is the tower?

>>15382186
True, but if they build it anything like what they have at Boca Chica, they can scrap it right away and rebuild it, because that shit won't last. I doubt we'll see another launch attempt on any site before 2024. They have some major construction to do.

>>15381533
Imagine being picked for dear moon and you see this lmao

>>15382207
Pretty sure construction at pad 39A has stopped for a while already.

>>15382053
I trust my senses. I don't feel any movement and all I see is a flat horizon, no curve anywhere to be seen both from higher altitude and from the ground. These are my original thoughts yes. The flat earth truth just happens to confirm all this.

>>15382185
>small explosives
I KNEW IT

why not build walls around the rocket with one opening towards shit you don't care about (preferably where the turtles are)???

I'm trying to understand the decision making when looking at debris being thrown 100m+, at least to me, the launch only made sense if either:

>The engineers didn't predict the risks
>The engineers did predict the risks but the information didn't manage to come to the top with the importance it had
>The engineers did predict the risks but some kind of go fever overtook it due to pressure either from the higher ups or from an external source
>SpaceX genuinely accepted a multi-kiloton launch pad RUD with 5000 tons of propellant as an acceptable risk, both from a PR, legal and development point of view, that wouldn't set their program back more than not launching it.

Could someone criticise this reasoning?

>>15382219
it all makes sense when you realize spacex is less a company and more a cult.

They really shouldn't have built their testing facility in a place where you can't build anything

>>15382225
They're a very efficient cult then.

>>15382219
Option #4 is most likely

Remember, if you're looking at this from a cost/benefit perspective they were already going to have to do something about the rocket exhaust but the time and cost of building it specifically for this first launch likely reached or exceeded building a solution while repairing the damage from the launch without it

Like they said, they really only cared that it didn't blow up the launch tower. The OLM was fair game

Look at this way, they probably would have needed to remove the concrete anyways.

>>15382227
corps are having multi year holds on building datacenters anywhere. the us is a dead country.

>>15382234
>they really only cared that it didn't blow up the launch tower
Wouldn't a worst case pad RUD also destroy it?

If #4 is true, then SpaceX believes that the current Starbase's launch pad is basically useless as an operational infrastructure.

>>15382244
the worst case is staying on earth brother

they should do a 1+ minute static fire and dig a huge hole under the OLM. then when next launch there will be no concrete to be destroyed because the big hole.

>>15382250
Touché

>>15382244
The truly puzzling thing is why it wasn't designed in the first place for the thrust they were expecting

Granted they increased their expected thrust figure by a significant margin after Starbase was constructed when they went to Raptor 2s, but still, "hoping to not need a flame diverter for OLM" is a statement from someone about to learn the hard way why they're needed

>>15381700
Nigga you should complain about the cruise industry instead of space shit that is actually worth it.

15382026
gather round children, this is what "poisoning the well" look like
Look at how this foreign agitator goes out of his way to list off all the newest flavours of disobedience and staple them to blatant retardation
by doing this, the hope is that he can associate anything his employers don't like with stances only the most irrecoverably mentally ill would take
its a very old yet incredibly effective tactic

new hullo dropped

>>15382293
blame whoever made the super concrete I guess. don't think its really feasible to build a flame diverter large enough for starship (so like the biggest ever made) in swampland for a testing facility. will always be cheaper to repair whatever damage afterwards even if they do like monthly test flights for the next decade lmfao

>>15381207

Previous

>>15379966
>>15379966
>>15379966

personally I prefer the newspace one (Gravitics Starmax)

>>15382470
Gay and small. You’re a huge fag if even oldspace is dreaming bigger than you

>you can't build a flame trench in a swamp---ACK
they should've asked the dutch

https://twitter.com/StephanieAus67/status/1649362769253404673

Scott on you know what
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8q24QLXixo

>>15382505

>>15382505
>>15382512
Thanks for sending the same image twice, really helps the image limit

>>15382512

>>15382483
if the airbus homomodule is too big to fly on Starship its pretty much DOA

I decided to read the hacker news thread on the launch. the absolute hatred of elon and anything associated with him is quite amazing. is reddit as bad? the media doing everything they can to say that a national champion is a failure is interesting as well. I don't know should I be happy that I don't share a love of space with such people?

Starliner soon?

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1649512828804423684

Mod please delete this thread

>>15382525
I am sure some of them loves le epic space, even if they despise Elon. Lets just embrace the fact that everyone behaves differently and there is no one universal thought shared by all
Except one: All earthers must die.

>>15382534
Why did they call their company Adult Baby Lovers, JFC - this is going far beyond a joke at this point

>>15381207
since when are newfags allowed to make threads? Jannies clean it up

>>15381581
/sci/ is such a slow board, that making a new general each time the old one reached 300 pages would mean like half the threads on /sci/ were /sfg/ threads
it also splits discussion as people reply without seeing if a thread has staged yet

>>15382545
no. anyone who in anyway obstructs humanity from leaving this rock deserves the roko treatment
>>15381581
>outsider refuses to assimilate to local culture
many such cases sadly

>>15381698
is there a name for this schizo graphic design style?
it's always these cheesy bloated photo collages

>>15382573
The schizo hates visual simplicity and elegance in the same way he hates explanatory simplicity and elegance

>>15381581
nice ragebait

2 MONTHS

>>15382568
I don't even bother looking at the rest of the board, its all midwit trash, narcissistic attention whoring and spam advertising. I just keep an /sfg/ tab open and I never have to see the rest of the garbage or fret over what page /sfg/ is on.

>>15382518
seething

>>15382594
yeah

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1649523985837686784

>>15382613
4 weeks holy shit, its happening
WE GAAN

why the fuck would they build a gay tower that destroys itself every launch

are they retarded

>2 months

blackpillers BTFO

>>15382620
simple trick to boost GDP

Enhanced estros video

Ship held on to booster to the very end

>1 sec before Booster FTS explosion

>>15382626
ah so spacex is run by keynesians
Increase launch costs to increase contract values

>>15382219
>Could someone criticise this reasoning
There is no reasoning in the post. Just low iq rambling

seems insane people think it will take over a year to fill a hole with concrete. is it really just libs got too primed on hating trump that without him around they HAD to imprint all that anger onto someone else?

Ladies and Gentlemen,

>we're back

>>15382219
It's likely the entire launch pad facility at boca chica was obsolete from the get go, and that once you started building the tower you aren't gonna make changes underneath

>>15382613
HE HAS SPOKEN

>>15382636
>elon claiming 1-2 months to repair the OLM
how likely is this?

>>15382643
What the fuck do you think, newfag?
>September 2019
>Mk3 will be orbital launch ready in 3 months

>>15382506
Finally this Krystal video practically wrote itself

>>15382613
ActivecooedsteelGODS WE JUST CAN'T STOP WINNING

>>15382636
LETS GOOO

>>15382636
>1 month
HE'S AIMING FOR 6/9

>>15382534
RL chads stay firmly in second place
Also notice how there isn't a single BO launch there LMAO

>>15382613
If this was a government programme they'd be using that special space grade concrete that takes 50 years to set now wouldn't they

>>15382613
two more 2 weeks, I'm so ready bros

>>15382613
Man, I was so right ---------------------- holy shit I am in orbit and looking down on the rest of you plebians. Feelsfuckingoodmainey

>>15382219
As evidenced by Elon tweet. The engineers saw the risk but mispredicted the magnitude.
Really not surprising. Only larpers will say it was "obvious" when the 29 engine firing worked fine.

>>15382582
damn, it looks stylish without the helmet

>>15382597
derth yumans

>>15382636
>>15382613
Is this our most accurate estimate of Elon time yet?
1 to 2 months is equal to 4 to 6 months?

>>15382613
TWO MONTHS

>>15382680
its more like 2.5x instead of 2x, but I guess it depends somewhat

>>15382680
I mean what's the hold up here? Repair the launch pad, install the plate. they got a starship ready to go. FAA?

>>15382698
Circumstances will change. They could say fuck this let's overhaul it

>>15382713
overhaul what? the already made starships?

>nsf are doomers
sigh

>>15381285

>Elon...
>please.....

>>15382737
fixed

how many starships and boosters are they building in the meantime?

>>15382744
and how many are currently ready?

>>15382613
I was just shitposting about the water cooled steel lol I cannot believe it's real. Watercool chuds win agaan

>>15382752
2 ready, something like 3 under production

>>15382744
>>15382752
https://twitter.com/RingWatchers/status/1648838574110916609

>>15382768
ship 25 was not flying for some reason I think?

when i used to vent storage tanks, it could take 3 days to vent your average 20k gallon tank. idk how it works at spacex, but it could take a significant while for them to vent the stage 0 fuel farm.

>>15382777
They're not venting the fuel farm. The damaged tanks are water.

>>15382785
i'm listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omouxjzI17U and they think spacex is allowing the tanks to vent on their own due to damage

>>15382535
>>15382553
This.
I wouldn't care if it weren't so fucked up with /SFG/ and no link to previous thread and OP posting repeat images.

>>15382668
It was pretty obvious since they had ran into debris damaging engines before hand numerous times.

>>15382698
The rocket nearly dug out the OLM what’s this cope that this is an acceptable oopsie?

>>15382803
you should care even if it stages before page 10

>>15382818
pour more concrete who cares lmfao why the fuck would you spend a decade building a flame diverter in a test site for the biggest rocket in the world versus a few concrete trucks

>>15382818
OLM is still standing, redditorkun
just needs a spit shine and it'll be good to go

>>15382810
>It was pretty obvious since they had ran into debris damaging engines before hand numerous times.
Not with the properly cured FONDAG.

wouldnt be NSF video without shilling new merch

>>15382818
What does this even mean?

>>15382843
the rocket blasted a crater that dug out some of the foundations of the Orbital Launch Mount (OLM)

>>15382829
>it nearly destroyed the rocket but it’s ok
Lol

https://twitter.com/nextspaceflight/status/1649527628494151680

LOL

WATERLOGGED CRATER TIME

it is kind of encouraging that NASA literally drew starship stand-ins for their moon to mars transit and lander vehicles, despite the jobs programs they want spacex to succeed so bad

>>15382852
>they want spacex to succeed so bad
>He doesn't know
Watching mustarde cope for the next 5 years is gonna be hilarious

>>15382848
oh no not a booster that was going into the ocean right after lmfao

>>15382853
of course it's not going to be obvious to someone who doesn't go digging for it. who do you think owns the press?

>>15382847
I know. I don't understand the post.
Obviously they'll repair it

>>15381207
/sfg/ will say EARTHERS must die, but only Starship actually kills the earth.

>>15382860
bro how are they ever going to find new dirt and concrete????????

>>15382860
Nta but apparently the foundation is super hard to repair due to the total OLM mass

>>15382852
The people working at NASA are decisively pro-SpaceX. It's the politicians who prefer grift to progress.

>>15382525
>is reddit as bad?
It isn't in the related subreddits like r/space and r/spacex. The rest of the site is probably as bad as you would expect.

The haters hate on spacex because they hate Musk wich is obviously retarded but who cares about their opinions? They don't actually like the topic.

>>15382871
Sounds retarded. Just cut out the old rebar, add some new rebar and cast a new support around it.

>>15382847
so?
>inb4 DOOOOOM

>>15382728
Yes or the olm. Everything is a rapid prototype that can be garbage binned

>>15382881
>muh rapid prototype
>3 years to build the next one
>Meanwhile SLS will fly again next year

it's weird thinking about rocket girls when most of them are thrown away into the ocean

>>15382883
Starship will launch this year again.

>>15382881
they need flight data. zero reason to not fly what they have now.

why not strap miniboosters to lift it up then engage the main booster and not worry about concrete flying. I'm a fucking genius boys

>>15382876
note that the boomers at NASA are just as much leeches as those politicians
they're the reason why NASA is totally incapable of accomplishing anything anymore, anyone of value has to deal with a dozen "senior engineer" boomers standing around them holding clipboards and taking credit for anything they do
anyone worth calling an engineer has already fled for the private sector, all that's left are diversity hires and autists too brain damaged to understand the world around them

>>15382889
Makes sense but that would bring us dangerously close to Elon correctly predicting when it will happen

>>15382877
>They don't actually like the topic.
They do like the topic, thats why they're such a problem. The whole topic of space travel is extremely popular amongst the transhumanist trannys. People who are too self-centered to ever consider having children dream of immortality as a means of coping with the fact that they are genetic dead ends. Once they start fantasizing about immortality, they have to wonder what they're going to do with themselves forever. Traveling the universe in Star Trek fashion is the solution they tend to glom on to

>>15382887
>Starship will launch this year again

>>15382891
They chopsticks and tower should have been made 10 times stronger. Then the chopsticks attached to the booster should be connected to a 50k ton counterweight that falls from the tower and throws the full stack 150 meters into the air.

>>15382897
Yes

>>15382893
Sounds accurate
I still think that SpaceX's success is as much do to NASA being replaced as the promised land for aerospace talent as it is their own philosophy and excellence. The cream of NASA during the Apollo program would be working at SpaceX were they born 40 years later. Of course that's largely circular reasoning, but c'est la vie.

>>15382219
They probably knew they had to redo it all except the tower and they wanted to do a launch for some data that would most likely fail, an acceptable risk.

>>15382912
>The cream of NASA during the Apollo program would be working at SpaceX were they born 40 years later. Of course that's largely circular reasoning, but c'est la vie.
tips fedora

>>15382906
>Yes
After magically manifesting another launchpad out of thin air I'm assuming?

>>15382916
just head down to home depot and get some bags of concrete

>>15382915
while he talks like a redditor and needs his nuts smacked for it, is he wrong?

>>15382913
The thing is that "Acceptable risk" was clearly a pad failure.

>>15382916
They will repair the launch pad.

>>15382883
There is literally 2+ Starships ready to go and several more in various states of construction.

>>15382922
Which is based.
They have taken a huge risk and it paid off big time.

>>15382916
If by magically you mean repairing and improving the existing then yes

>>15382916
The new deluge system is half-built and it doesn't take 8 months to tear up and repour concrete.
And it's not like the rest of spacex is going to be sitting with their thumbs up their asses while Jose works the shovel.

how many engines do they need to get it to get a good distance from the ground before firing up the rest? is that retarded?

>>15382933
>And it's not like the rest of spacex is going to be sitting with their thumbs up their asses while Jose works the shovel.
bad faith redditors/twitterites always religiously ignore this fact every time

>>15382915
I see you're intimidated by my intellect and resort to shameless ad hominems. Perhaps one day we shall meet in person and settle this with steel.

>>15381285
How in the fuck is this supposed to carry people?

>>15382922
vs total destruction of the launch facility if it imploded on the spot? Yes, the risk payed of very bigly with only a partially damage pad confirming you cant really skip on exhaust dampering methodology

>>15382922
Yes, because they already knew it had to be replaced as I said.

>>15381285
reminder that someone made this shit in gimp and now everybody is pretending like this is the officially confirmed plan

>>15382958
it's not getting replaced though

oh no not the launch pad at the testing facility! it's clearly meant to last forever!

>>15382965
Yes, the parts that are damaged will be replaced, install the new water cooled plate they have been working on, and then try again.

>>15382967
>it's clearly meant to last forever!
It literally is if you aren't a little retard

Ok so when do the static fires start for the next SS and SH?

The blackpillers want you to think it takes a half a year to pour concrete into a hole in the ground.

>>15382975
>NASA is allowed to do this
>SpaceX has to think about le beetles

Fuck this shit man

>>15382975
None of those launch sites exist today as they were in that photo.

>>15382944
That's one big katana
>>15382613
Two more weeks

spacex could be tearing the fuck out of concrete launch pads on the weekly switching to a new one as they please if not for the feds.....

>>15382513
Texas Drift

>>15382534
Has ULA seriously not launched yet this year?

>>15382995
Based expendable launch pad enjoyer

Migrating from the other thread, OP is a faggot for early staging. Let it be known that I was a believer since the first look at Stage 0 that they had planned this all out and that they would probably use a steel plate after to launch again quickly, and I was right. Doomers absolutely BTFO

>>15383006
B-but muh structural damage.
Not the FOUNDATIIIIIOOOOONS

>>15382492
Vraag me maar, ik kom graag om een gat te graven en een polder te maken!

How is the Starship development timeline going compared to the Falcon development timeline?

>steel plated launchpads lmao
I need a Musk edit of this seeing as he's just offering rolls of stainless steel on every design decision since the carbon burster era

>>15383015
Stainless steel is the material of the gods, its meant to be used everywhere

>>15382916
The magic of reinforced concrete?

>>15383015
And it's worked every single time. The entire modern world is built on stainless steel, why cant the rockets be aswell?

>>15382922
Wait until you learn what was an "acceptable risk" during the cold war.

>>15383018
I'm not complaining, I think it's hilarious it's the default solution they pivot to on any problem yet works every time. 50 years and nobody else even bothered kek

>>15382613
WE ARE BACK

>>15383018
>>15383021
>>15383023
Reddit.

>NoooooOOoOOo you can't blow up rockets, don't you know that if you lose a single rocket you should just quit and never be productive!
>NASA spends ten cuntillion man-hours on every nut and bolt so they only have to launch once!
Not only should a missile man blow up rockets in the process of testing, ideally he should come as close as possible to blowing himself up as well in the process.

>>15382990
for you

>>15383025
>>15383025
Meaningful discussion

>>15383028
Ummmmm, based department line 1

>>15382835
CUTE

So steel base plate to stop spalling and a deluge system to try and prevent shockwaves from reflecting back into the engine cluster.

>>15383014
Right now? Faster. First launch, they already have another ready to go and will be relaunching within 1-2 months.

>>15383025
The real problem with those posts is those comma splices; you retards really need to learn proper English.

>>15382533
Shitliner has been shitcanned, permanently

>>15383036
>filename
fuck off back to tumblr

>>15382613
So this is the power of steel…

>>15383039
Kek, you're seething

>>15383028
Miss him lads, he would be laughing his fucking ass off at the absurdity of this entire program

>>15383043
Nobody has used tumblr in like half a decade try hard newfag. He probably got the image of google images.

>>15383015
Steel is based

>>15383028
The whole "reusable worker" thing is really stupid if you think about.

>>15383061
Classic same fagging

Enjoy

>>15383055
is musk the modern von braun?
muskseethers are NOT allowed to reply to this post i DO NOT talk to trannies

>>15383028
>>NASA spends ten cuntillion man-hours on every nut and bolt so they only have to launch once!
reminds me of picrel lmao

>>15382613
Neat

>>15382213
>doesn’t know how the human eye works
That must be either the worst bait you could come up with or a lobotomy won’t be necessary to know you already were lobotomized.

>>15383038
>will be relaunching within 1-2 months
just like the OFT happened in 2022?

>>15383074
Who put the retard narration on the screen?

>>15383074
the engines are shit
20 years of developing for what
and then the 2nd stage engines can't ignite?

>>15383075
Musk is 3x better at least (guess what metric im comparing between them)

>>15383074
4MB filesize limit and VP9 supported, and you refused to use it? Why?

>>15383089
before i tell you to go back: they had to build up an entire fucking launch site, research, develop and construct both a starship and a booster, and get FAA approval. all they have to do now is repour some concrete, assess the damage, and put in the steel plate.
now go back

>>15383089
>hurr durr 1st launch = 2nd launch
they literally have two rockets and boosters lined up along with a solution having been made for stage 0 three months already, not the same story. you probably thought that the rocket wouldnt launch ever

>>15383098
this, like i already said, the first launch is not equivalent to the second launch.

>>15383097
i just didnt know !

>>15383075
Musk is the modern James Webb, maybe JFK.
Stop comparing a manager to an engineer you rats.

>>15383074
5,000 tons and still flying with engine failures

>>15383075
Von Braun became the target of public outcry and was forced away from his position because Americans are human garbage
Elon is an eye sore now too it seems
There are parallels between them but I think you will find those amongst many people who invest their lives into reaching space

>>15383093
Booster 9 will prove you wrong.

>>15383107
honestly the TWR doesn't even look that low

>>15383071
Literally the first post I made in this newfag made thread. Literally says I'm the 91 posters in this thread right there. Or are you some phoneposting retard that can't use 4chanX?

>>15383093

>>15383113
nigga what are you talking about, he quit because of the lack of budget and the shittle

>>15383119
They were at 90% throttle and 3 engines down at liftoff

This is unacceptable gentlemen . Are you telling me that we can't properly maintain 33 engines running ?

I WANT THESE MOTHERFUCKING ENGINES RUNNING NON STOP UNTIL THEY REACH THE MOON , WITH TIME TO SPARE

>>15383093
>20 years

>>15383113
>Von Braun became the target of public outcry and was forced away from his position
What? He retired from NASA because the Apollo program got axed and then died of cancer a few years later. The public liked him as far as I'm aware.

>>15383113
>>15383124
>>15383132
oh god please dont fucking tell me you think for all mankind is an accurate representation of history

>>15383015
The Stainless Steel Muskrat

>>15383134
Genuinely what the hell are you talking about?

>>15383139
im referring to >>15383113
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tid-1FMFu6Q

the new glenn is closer to completion than starship at this point

>>15383143
Meds

>>15383143
Dont make me laugh. They build the most expensive stage 1 ever. They need to land it otherwise the launch is cash negative.

>>15383141
Oh. I actually never watched the show. This scene makes me glad of that fact because holy shit is it terrible.

>memethane rockets are 0 for 3 on successful launches
uh oh newspace sisters, i dont feel so good...

>>15383143
So tell me, which has launched? Which has two extra stages lined up already? Which is going to be launching again in 1-2 months?

>>15383151
to be fair the first half of season 1 isnt THAT bad. afterwards they no joke say the soviets only succeeded because they landed a woman on the moon, and the us had to get a woman on the moon as well or else they would lose the space race

>>15383152
As expected of zubrin trannies. Take your faux intellectual and go

>>15383089
>just like the OFT happened in 2022?

Booster 4 failed the can crusher testing and they had to iterate the design.

So who’s ready to see the two-in-one liquid cooled flame diverter/steel plate?

>>15383161
Booster 4 would have exploded on the pad

>>15383151
have some MANime instead:
Royal Space Force
Space Brothers
Moonlight Mile

UC Gundam and captain harlock are also good but thats more science fiction

>>15383167
>Manime
Stay.

>>15383098
The concrete and rebar structure were destroyed though it’s not only the hole below the rocket

>>15383164
Why not use closed loop liquid methane for cooling beneath it?

>>15383172
>pour concrete
>put rebar bars
>wait a weekend
wow... 6 months and a billion more dollars please

>>15383173
or leftover nitrogen

>>15383167
Season 1 is pretty bad . After that , if you forget about realism and just enjoy soft sci-fi it can be pretty cautivating

>>15383173
gigabased

>>15381533

That's not how its going to be done. Someone is just over thinking this method.

>>15383074
wtf why does it look like those flames are coming from between the engines?

>>15383173
>flame diverter overheats and decides to become a rocket as well

>>15383194
methalox in the day, the flames are very transparent, in the night time it is harder to see through. see proonted rogget

>>15381616
why not just have some fly wheels

Posted on SpaceX twitter a few minutes ago but they deleted it almost immediately for some reason...

Previous thread since op is retarded

>>15379966
>>15379966
>>15379966

>>15383217
fuck off its page 10

The side of the draw-works housing was turned into swiss cheese

>>15382835
do you think u could post as png? or at least higher quality jpg. this is reall nice

hey good thing we set up our test site in boca chica and had to cram everything into a small plot of land that was zoned 60 years ago for a strip mall

>that perforation on the thing to the left

>>15382525
The tech industry is full of fags and liberals, what did you expect?

>>15383107
>debris flying everywhere
Starship is a fucking tank

>>15382525
Musk man is an apostate now, so their owners have them foaming at the mouth in utter hatred now

>>15383152
lol I live 4 blocks from that photo location

Liquid cooled steel plates for the next OLM

Fucking crazy how I grew up knowing about Saturn V and the enigmatic N1 (I was a space autist at a young age)
And now all of a sudden we’ve had SLS and Starship fly within the span of like 6 months. Crazy shit

>>15383257
it does feel a bit like America is back to have two superheavy class rockets test launch that close together

https://twitter.com/mcrs987/status/1649506112012447744
we are so back

>>15383268
Could this actually work?

People forget this isn't the first time SpaceX has had to rebuild a pad. I do expect at least 6 months of delays

>>15383257
For some reason, I feel Artemis 1 was longer ago than 6 months.

>>15383269
probably but it would cost way more and take way longer than building a flame trench

>>15383270
They already have 3 months done with the steel plate, that means 3 months easy, if not sooner now that they have experience

>>15383274
>building a flame trench
it's not happening faggot. let it go

>>15382525
HN comments are a hellhole. Peak bugman midwits.

>>15383272
That’s because it’s such a forgettable mission and rocket

what are the other funny dates besides 4/20 and 6/9?

>>15383279
This, massive deluge system and water/LN2 cooled steel plate is probably enough.

>>15383213
Looks like Elon wanted to upload it instead, but in slow motion. Trying to grab the original so I can render in high quality unlike you.

>>15383283
9/11
>inb4 muh jet fuel
Methalox doesn’t burn as hot, steel plate chads win every time

>>15383268
not tall enough

>>15383246
honestly incredible it worked. was this the greatest feat of engineering ever done?

>>15383292
LHC is pretty impressive.

>>15383285
Elon mentioned a water table and metal cover. Doesn't sound like the 2M liters of NASA pads.

>>15383294
Look at the size of the pipes. They're very large

Remember everyone, three engines out at launch probably means it blasted way more concrete than it was supposed to. Once the water/LN2 cooled steel plate-flame diverter amalgam part is installed along with a massive deluge system, we are absolutely set to withstand Starship blasts. The plate is already 3 months in the making and flame diverter side we saw parts shipped there about 2 weeks ago, could also have started being made about then. They also have experience in rebuilding pads, all the engines are massively improved on B9/S26 compared to the old R2s used in B7/S24. This and the stages themselves also have like a hundred improvements, and they have launch data to fix what is needed. The only thing I would be any bit doomer about next launch is anything past MECO, even then we have B10/S27 basically ready to go, which will have even more improvements than the last and more data to work with. Doomers are retarded and have already been BTFO, liquidcooledsteelplatechads we can do it again. Alright, hopium dose has been handed out, make sure to ration it just 3 months tops.

>>15383286
Bah it's simply fucking gone. I have the video playing on my page but nothing can detect it for download, and it will vanish if I refresh.

>>15382982
>>NASA is allowed to do this
I hate retarded tourists like you it's unreal how retarded you are

>>15383306
download obs and record it

>>15383306
just speed this one up lol. it's the same video

Where are the wreckage photos? Still barely anything. It's been almost 48 hours

>>15383304
I'm just worried that Musk looked so pissed when it blew up

>>15383312
Road is closed

>>15383097
>it stayed completely straight all the way through until FTS
wtf so this has proven beyond reasonable doubt that it's insanely strong

>>15381207
just cast a single piece titanium plate to cover it. done

>>15383294
2 megalitres is only 20,000 cube metres, that's not that much

>>15383316
Nobody has taken a boat along the shore to survey the damage from there?

>>15383319
I mean it looks like the booster failed at the bottom. The FTS is at the common dome isn't it?

>>15383325
No the FTS is at the bottom for the booster

>>15383321
Starship's payload capacity is a cubic kilometer.

>>15383289
May as well just build a space elevator. We can go higher.

>>15383316
due to aids?

>>15383315
he hadn't slept for like 50 hours

>>15381285
Someone needs to tell them about ullage motors.

>>15383336
I wouldn’t have slept for 50 hours either if I was the one literally spearheading humanity’s entire future

>>15383349
Stage separation doomers get the airlock just like CSI Starbase cock gobbling 9-months-to-next-launch doomers got.

>>15383213
>>15383306
this from the IMAX?

...did it survive?

>thing happens
>tourists flood your niche interest with the most retarded posts imaginable
>normies make retarded posts about shit they have absolutely no fucking business talking about
past few days have really blackpilled me on the average intelligence of the world

>>15381855
So with the engines off and in a near vacuum is the RC system meant to spin all that mass?
They need the engines to make the spin possible.

>>15383356
the average iq is 100. terrifying isn't it? blew my mind when I learned that fact.

>>15383357
Reading comprehension.
They spin using the engines
>The engine shuts off at step 3

>>15383360
starship could land on mars with people and the average normalfag would still think "But uhm..... what about the LAWN CHAIR that was KNOCKED DOWN by SHOCKWAVES.... such a FAILURE..."

any other rocket girls which need to be drawn?

reminder that this is how starship stages

>>15383367
it'd be based if the next three launches won't fail at this exact stage. Built in filter for people who aren't balls deep serious about extraterrestrial colonization? Sign me up!

>>15383367
More plausible.
But there might not even be a spin reversal.
Just let it go as soon as you kick the booster upwards.

>>15383367
just post the reddit/twitter post you took this from so we can tell you to go back

>>15383365
Make the Indian poojeet rocket