/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12761665
What is the point of studying the gas giants?

>>12761665
Lovely past two editions

>>12761676
GAS GAS GAS

>>12761665
Fourth for legions of space midgets exploring the solar system.

>>12761676
Eh, something about planetary evolutions, how gas nebula condense into systems, what type of planets to expect or something. But that's an astronomer's answer. Truth be told: if it doesn't have rocks then it is gay and isn't worth looking into. Aside from taking a few pretty photos of the gas giants, their Moons are what's interesting

>>12761665
sixth for im retard

>>12761676
Because they're mysterious as fuck and anything that enigmatic needs to be cracked open.

>>12761676
Why dont we have any balloons out there?

>>12761676
Informative for some wacky materials science

>>12761676
We know shockingly little about what the environment actually looks like there, and they make up a lot of exoplanets.

>>12761706
Because we live under mob rule, and if you're sitting at 130 IQ, the average person is as far beneath you as a legally retarded person is below average.
What might be an obvious priority or worthy venture to you is "boring" to the normie menace.

Do not try and bend the practical limit. That is impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth: there are no practical limits. Then you will see that it is not the practical limit that bend, it is only your sense for reality.

>>12761665
when does the JWST launch? I want to learn about the exoplanets in the habitable zones.

>>12761743
Q2 2021 ie never ever

>>12761741
An AGI could achieve unbelievable things- not because of retarded singularity magic- but because once it killed all the humans its only logistical concerns would be the actual laws of physics.

Who is ready for the hop?

isn't designing so that critical components can be accessed for repairs some really basic shit?

>>12761676
So we can harvest them for infinite hydrogen for our flee of hydrolox ships

>>12761676
well their moons are incredible. And if we're going to their moons we might as well study the giants themselves as well.

Also I didn't realize that Saturn is from Jupiter around the same distance that Jupiter is to the sun. Distances past the asteroid belt are hard to comprehend.

>>12761676
So we can harvest them for infinite hydrogen for our fleet of hydrolox ships

>>12761776
I'm feeling pretty good about this one. Watching them swap out that raptor so fast and then successfully light up was a confidence booster for me.

>>12761778
Before the era of designing everything on a computer sometimes you ran into oops this component has to be buried into the middle of this mess of pipes

>>12761773

>>12761795
that's understandable, but I can't imagine how this happened with modern design approaches. The tech and individual components are pretty old in SLS, but they should be able to place said components using modern approaches.

Orion had the same issue, oddly enough. Apparently they put a PDU inside a wall, so they can't reach it for repairs without a year-long process that risks damaging other shit.

>>12761665
comfy

alright, i've finished typesetting farmeranon's images but where the fuck do i upload the pdf?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxime_Faget

>>12761801
Its a single use rocket lmao why would you need to fiddle with it after you have tested it and built it lmao

I miss it
https://youtu.be/CZ-OyT4ivkM

peak comfy...

>>12761665
The final Delta II rocket had arrived at Kennedey

>>12761810
very nice
>but where the fuck do i upload the pdf?
no fucking clue what the go-to is for pdfs. Uh, mega?

>>12761810
/tg/ gets pdf uploads and we don't, that still makes me mad

>>12761810
Kool. Can't wait to check it out
>>12761806
How exactly did the ejection seats work? Seems scary, stupid, and dangerous

>>12761791
Yeah I think them scrapping SN12-14 was what did it for me. This block of prototypes wasn't even meant to nail the flop correctly this early. I think SN10 is going to land which will fast track the starship.

>>12761810
the discord LOL

I could make an airtight dome without mortar right? Asking for a friend of- of course ha ha

>>12761840
seems wasteful

>>12761810
>4Chan
It's 4chan.
The C is lowercase.

>>12761830
I’m giving it a 50/50 chance. They’ve ironed out a lot of issues but it’s entirely possible something new comes up.

Space-x is going to launch soon?

>>12761840
Spray on plastic sealer

>>12761810
>>12761827
Put it on /tg/ and make the thread title "3.5E sucks wizards 2 OP" to make sure nobody accidentally replies to it.

>>12761850
If it sticks the landing we're going to see some crazy shit happening with SuperHeavy soon, right?

>>12761850
Agreed, I really think anything could happen with SN10 and SN11 but I really think they have a good chance to land.

>>12761811
Sometimes people with gay names end up doing awesome things. Like Elon Musk, or Fingolfin from The Silmarillion (fought Morgoth in single combat and managed to wound him)

>>12761846
lol someone fix the logo then

Any you tards here subscribe to the orbital index? Weekly newsletter summary on space things. Good shit.
https://orbitalindex.com/

>>12761810
github, google docs, docdroid

>>12761846
Imagine caring this much about an Uzbekistan arts and crafts forum

>>12761878
>>12761881
We used to use it to find the tourists.
Then the redditors invaded.

Nevertheless, even the FAQ says it's 4chan not 4Chan.

>>12761884
Moot wrote the FAQ while high on pcp and wearing a miniskirt, I'm not sure how much weight I'd put on it.

>>12761876
Based

if you had an entire SRB of metallic hydrogen, would the vibrations or G load kill you first?

>>12761899
>metallic memogene
Go away

>>12761903
?

>>12761840
Wake me when we can get our protein-rich bug based bricks

>>12761907
>"If I had a tube full of an exotic material that does not exist, would I die of the vibrations hurr durr?"

>>12761899
You would die very fast because you are in Jupiter's core

>>12761899
That's not even the right material to be asking about, with its pansy ass barely 10km/s exhaust velocity. This is.

>>12761903
>>12761914
>ask about interesting spaceflight method
>leave
what's wrong with a thought experiment?

>>12761921
It does not fucking exist. It's not an "interesting spaceflight method".

>>12761665
why did spacex fail so badly at making a cool dashboard design? its just a bunch of lifeless touchscreens that remind me of standing in line at the welfare office

>>12761921
>Dude, what if we make an Orion pulse rocket but we shot out black holes in penrose sphere bombs instead?

>>12761924
>>12761927
lmao we talk about shit that doesnt exist daily

>>12761921
Metallic hydrogen isn't confirmed to actually exist, that's why.

>>12761925
The UI is actually pretty cool up close, but it's impossible to get good photos of high res displays without like a 100MP camera and accordingly gigantic lens.
https://iss-sim.spacex.com/

>>12761930
Yes, within the bounds of physics that exist on planet earth.

>>12761899
I'm sure Isaac Arthur has an answer to this

>>12761899
>>12761935

>>12761741

>>12761925
Apollo shits over all of them.
Was under the impression they don't need jackshit in Dragon because of the automation. There's very little they actually do unless something goes wrong and even then it's more up to ground control.
Putting them there without some sort of interaction is bad PR though, and we can't have that for nasa.

Why is everyone acting like I believe metallic hydrogen exists? I'm curious that if it did exist and if it was metastable, what would it's energy density, isp, and exhaust velocity be

>>12761676
Just imagine the smell.

>>12761943
about 20

>>12761935
never heard of him

>>12761942
Yeah pretty much.

>>12761943
Isp is just Ve / 9.81 in metric. Isp for metallic hydrogen according to Atomic Rockets is 1700s. For comparison, hydrolox is ~450s, but also has to carry around a lot of heavy oxygen molecules. Metallic hydrogen wouldn't be a bipropellant rocket so much as a monopropellant SRB with a heat ray ignition system.

http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/enginelist.php#id--Chemical--Metastable--Metallic_Hydrogen

>>12761943
isp 1700s, potential specific energy 216 MJ/kg, exhaust velocity over 16500m/s

>>12761925
because ship sizes and technology for holographic hardlight screens does not exist

>>12761915
lmao

>>12761925
>Man, all these overdesigned government spaceflight dashboards remind me of my overredundant welfare lines where everything is bloated and useless
Gee who saw this coming

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/mars-is-no-earth/618133/

Elon Musk debunked

>>12761969
yeah we saw. she's right on every point too

>>12761969
>The Atlantic
>Jewish author
Wow it's fucking nothing.

>>12761971
prove it

>>12761975
Uh oh, you've just been filtered. I don't speak to toxic people

>>12761977
So THAT'S why you faggots don't have internal monologues.

>>12761981
kek

>>12761925
It looks pretty good minus the manual buttons
>>12761959
Halo 4-whatever is garbage but agreed that shit looks cool

>>12761969
>a jew
every time

>>12761969
>Bullshit article with a premise based on views from a book written by Carl Sagan back during his depression during the height of the cold war when he had cancer
Yeah, Sagan shifted from optimistic to somewhat negative and thought we'd die as a species through nuclear war as he was dying from cancer. That doesn't mean he'd be negative today. Personally I think he'd be very positive if he was alive today.

>>12761975
It's self evident. She absolutely BTFOs Elon and his merry band of Muskrats. Should have seen them crying on twitter this morning

>>12761992
It's a fucking bullshit premise written for kids with no sense of history.

>>12761984
nice bandwagon opinion.

>>12761996
Halo 4 is the Zoomer's Delight. And I am proud to say I enjoyed it

>>12761823
>>12761828
>>12761881
https://docdro.id/nC2w9ZG
Thanks for the posts farmeranon, really informative. It was a real task tracking down all those images

>>12761992
It's self evident that you should kill yourself

Isaac Arthur has some pretty based livestreams, not sure why he gets so much hate here. maybe jealousy...?
https://youtu.be/0QlBYvEzSbI
he got debunked in this video, maybe he's not as based as i thought. he does kinda look like the boogie of futurism

>>12762007
Certain mushrooms listed there are a fucking pain to grow though, such as Shiitake. Very specific in growth mediums and conditions. Button mushrooms on the other hand will grow in fucking anything. No idea about enoki, oyster is pretty picky too I believe.

t. former magic mushroom grower with a general interest in mycology.

>>12762001
Based. Halo 4 was no bungie game, but I was actually really good at online matchmaking. Custom maps were fun and were supported heavily by 343. The campaign was awful but the graphics pushed the 360 to its limits

>>12762011
Consider killing yourself

>>12762015
isawc awthuh should stick to text communication or hire a narrator

>>12762011
>>12762018
Well lads, who’s it gonna be

>>12762020
Pretty dispicable that you would judge or disparage a man by something he cant control. If you were disabled would you enjoyed being mocked or bullied? Maybe you are disabled, mentally that is. Be more mature next time

>>12762017
campaign had good points but it did not have the same kind of escalation as bungie ones and stayed too much the same. Knights were not fun or cool to fight against and some guns were useless.

>>12761874
It’s guaranteed that they’ll eventually stick a landing. There’s no technical reason why it won’t work and they’ve gotten close twice. I’d argue that SN9 did even better because it didn’t have the header tank flaw SN8 had. Anyhow I have no idea if SN10 will work. I don’t know if SN11 will work. But I think SpaceX knows this too and they have enough data to move along with other things like the heatshield.

>>12761871
After Starship does a few tests with its heatshield it’s pretty much going to be done. There’s not much else you can test without Superheavy that doesn’t involve being in orbit already

>>12762016
Yes, but shiitakes are big enough to make a psychologically convincing meat substitute, which is important. Colonists need to feel like they're not being fed rabbit food and locked in a cage to die if you expect them to do their best work.

>>12762033
Portobello, aka let the button mushrooms mature. Shiitake doesn't get that big, but they're more savoury. Shiitake is a much better stock mushroom than the humble button mushroom, but if you're looking for a filler mushroom to stand if for a "steak", portobello.

>>12762033
Tilapia can be grown on Mars, and they work well with hydroponics.

>>12762038
>Portobello, aka let the button mushrooms mature.
oh wow I'm retarded, thanks anon

make sure you preorder Eric Berger's new book "Ignition!" in stores this March

>>12762040
>>12762038
Not gonna lie this looks pretty good.

>>12762040
Button mushroom is usually sold in 3 states here. White and closed - Champignon. Brown and closed, slightly matured - Aroma mushroom, Matured and dropped spores - Portobello.
All the same mushroom.

>>12762047
It is an extremely versatile mushroom.

>>12762017
>>12761996
>>12762027
They are bullshit games. Its not a bandwagon opinion, I still play halo1-3 I cannot play the others. They are so shitty, they got rid of the arena gameplay they fucked with the mechanics, they fucked with the balance, ruined the story and removed the skill aspect.

>>12762048
Can you ISRU propane on Mars? I want to know if grilling is possible. Anyhow I’ve been a cook for most of my adult life and I did not know Portobello steaks existed

>>12762051
>the others
>lumping odst, reach, 4, 5 together
yikes

>>12762015
It's fun to navel gaze sometimes, but /sci/ and especially /sfg/ is for known science or what is currently in R&D. Futurism is always off topic here and, generally, has never made an accurate prediction.

>>12762056
Well, if you have a diamond anvil and methane on hand, sure. You can make propane on Mars.
Question is, is it worth it?

>>12762047
>>12762048
Yeah I'm sleep deprived, I was thinking of portobellos. They're basically non-animal steak if you treat them right. Served like pic related, chopped up and mixed up with rice and beans, put between buns with some lettuce, tomato, and sauce like a mushburger, they're pretty much always good. This place in the town I grew up in had the best portobello mushroom burritos.

>>12762056
>Can you ISRU propane on Mars?
You can ISRU methane straight out of the air, and once you have methane carbon, hydrogen and energy, you can make any other hydrocarbon.
>Anyhow I’ve been a cook for most of my adult life and I did not know Portobello steaks existed
It's an extremely sneaky presentation of a big portobello mushroom cap cooked whole.

>>12762051
git gud

>>12762067
Good point. Using a few watts off of the nuclear reactor to run an electric grill seems like a good idea. But how would you make olive oil? Your shits gonna stick to the pan

>>12762056
Portobello steaks are always a disappointment but Portobello pizza can be pretty good.

futurism is literally religion for sad atheists

>>12762065
O'Neill cylinders are happening, and happening soon. Seethe faggot

>>12762072
>But how would you make olive oil? Your shits gonna stick to the pan
Olive trees aren't very water intensive compared to a lot of other crops so just grow them. CO2 scrubbing plus food production plus soil enhancement all in one plant makes orchards a bargain in general for colonies.

>>12762078
maybe in a few centuries.

>>12762072
It's going to take centuries if not thousands of years for complete self sustenance. That's just something you have to accept.

>>12762074
It ain't beef, but it ain't bad with good oil, garlic, basil, some nice salt and pepper and maybe some chili.

Getting some serious duality of /sfg/ vibes

>>12762077
I’m Catholic and I want to die on Mars bait harder you retard

>>12762074
Maybe a more bland diet overall will change food expectations? Mushrooms taste great but some people detest them

>>12762015
Gonna watch this video might comment here about it

>>12762083
going to mars isnt futurism not anymore

>>12762082
now that is one GREASY zubrin. forget smelling, I want to FEEL him up and down. Pet his furry chest, taste the sweat dripping off his clumped strands of hair

>>12762007
Solid work. This is great.

>>12762044
any rich anons here? Please upload it to libgen

>>12762044
I did, this isn't a meme right? also wtf is this an ad?

>>12762084
hopefully you watch at double speed or something. it very well may be two retards warring

>>12762007
>>12761810
Revision 1
https://docdro.id/uGf3k1F

>>12762081
Self sustenance doesn’t seem that bad that it’ll take centuries. It seems to be a ladder of what’s harder, though.
>Step 1: ISRU Air by splitting Carbon Monoxide
>Step 2: ISRU water by mining ice
>Step 3: ISRU habitats by either printing bricks, printing them in general, making cement, etc.
>Step 4: Metal ISRU. Mining ores and refining them on Mars.
>Step 5: Complex technology ISRU. We will never be self sustaining if we cannot build things like microchips from native martian resources.

>>12762078
No they're not. Explain how you would make one in the next 20 years, and which companies are doing it

>>12762100
Im gonna play World of Tanks for a while and just listen to it in the background. Weird as hell if Isaac is actually part of a pyramid scheme

>>12762102
Systems are complex and there's always energy loss.

>>12762102
Bezos will make them. You seriously gonna bet against the richest man in the world? People underestimated Amazon, and now you all underestimate Blue Origin...fools

>>12762059
reach CODified halo, ODST was meh and you know about how trash 4 and 5 are.
>>12762071
I feel bad for zoomers like you who never got to experience the games in their height. I think the closest you have to it are probably fortnite and minecraft which didn't have the same social dynamics.

>>12762108
>You seriously gonna bet against the richest man in the world?
musk is currently the richest man in the world.

>>12762105
No of course you’re right that’s why you can’t reuse 1 kilo of water forever even in a 99.99999% efficient system. But at least with Mars you have a whole planet of resources.

>>12762108
2023Q2
>2023Q2

>>12762115
Bezos gained it back because of stock fluctuations. money in this context means little

Never forget

>>12762104
uhh this guy might be a bonerfied schizo
https://youtu.be/9zsfwBangSk

>>12762116
>No of course you’re right that’s why you can’t reuse 1 kilo of water forever even in a 99.99999% efficient system.

Yeah you can. Where the fuck is the water gonna go? Into a wormhole?

>>12762116
Mars doesn't have much in the way of soil. Making soil is a very fucking slow biological process.

>>12762118
It's not even money. Its a value estimate based off of a hypothetical valuation of the assets one has. It's literally impossible to liquidate those assets at their listed value; it's imaginary wealth.

>>12762105
>Systems are complex and there's always energy loss.
And? The colony needs to generate energy anyway, what the fuck are you on about?

>>12762116
actually Q4 2022. nice try though. getting worried spacexer?

>>12762120
Seems like a liberal but I guess there's the schizo angle too

Or maybe those are the same thing

>>12762030
>I’d argue that SN9 did even better because it didn’t have the header tank flaw SN8 had.
I absolutely agree. I think brainlets saw the orientation and reeed about it.
>Anyhow I have no idea if SN10 will work. I don’t know if SN11 will work. But I think SpaceX knows this too and they have enough data to move along with other things like the heatshield.
exactly, I think SN15 will land at least but I believe SpaceX has enough confidence in SN10-11 that they can risk SN15 being a more finished product.

>>12762124
Did you think I meant energy as in power only? Get the fuck out of here.

>>12762122
I remember hearing that martian soil itself is toxic which seems worse even.

>>12762121
Stuff is always lost

>>12762105
>Systems are complex and there's always energy loss.
All usable energy on Earth is either from nuclear decay, or was created with sunlight, chemistry, biology, and time.

>>12762123
Que the neoliberal sheltered white person whining about how they have gorillions of dollars in their bank account

>>12762126
terry davis was a smart guy

>>12762122
I make it pretty easily in a barrel in my driveway

>>12762129
>Stuff is always lost
So there's tiny wormholes just appearing from nowhere and sucking water into some other universe?
a Mars colony would have almost exactly the same water loss pattern as the ISS, from airlocks opening and closing

>>12762129
It's perchlorate fucking shit that you can't grow anything in.

>>12762134
Now try to do that on a planet that doesn't have a biosphere.
Dimwit.

>>12762128
Alright, please describe a form of "energy loss" not related to power generation that would prevent a Martian colony from being self-sustaining.
I can smell the midwit on you.

>>12762127
Do we know if they’re actually doing the 3-engine landing burn on SN10 or was Elon just shitposting?

>>12762138
perchlorates are simple enough to destroy using bacteria

>>12762123
>It's literally impossible to liquidate those assets at their listed value
That is where you are wrong

>>12762138
just bring a biosphere

>>12762141
i was under the impression pouring water on it was enough to neutralize. and earthworms dig it

Guys... was it ever real?

>>12762101
I'm allergic to prawns, can you remove it plz

>>12762140
I think they actually are going to.

>>12762145
Earthworms are important but are total pieces of shit.
>t. ecology major

>>12762142
the stock value would change at exactly the same time they're selling it off

>>12762141
Provided the bacteria survives long enough in the radiation.

>>12762144
>just bring a biosphere
Now you have one bucket/container of biosphere for the entire planet. See where this is going?

>>12762147
It was all a dream

>>12762138
Humans are walking bioreactors, we bring the biosphere
Also
>perchlorate
Literally just bake it and watch it decompose

>>12762101
>growing plants to cure lung and heart diseases.
Isn't it a better idea to just ship lots of medicine?

>>12762153
the biosphere is self-replicating life is a mild form of grey goo

>>12762153
I don’t see why you can’t just shovel a few tons of dirt from Earth down onto Mars’ surface. Your average person needs like 1000 m2 of land to grow enough crops to survive, which is 32X32 meters

>>12762142
>That is where you are wrong
The list price and estimate is based on the available supply and demand. As soon as that demand is filled with an influx of supply, the price drops, and will do so precipitously.

>>12762150
why are they pieces of shit? teach me dirt man

>>12762161
Self-replicating over several billions of years.
Or it just gets nuked by radiation and taken over by the other shit there.

>>12762153
>Now you have one bucket/container of biosphere for the entire planet. See where this is going?
It's either very skilled at baiting or we have a legitimate 100 IQ ape-thing visiting us today

>>12761676
Potential fusion fuel sources for the future.

>>12762169
I can see we have one person suffering from dunning-krueger here at least.

>>12762147
>wakes up
>silence in there air, only a light breeze
>boca chica, empty and untouched
>anon, you're finally awake
>elon who? come on, let's take you home

>>12762151
Only if they did it all at once

>>12762174

>>12762170
and farming metallic hydrogen :)

>>12762163
Again assuming it is all at once

>>12762166
>Self-replicating over several billions of years.
mitosis disproven mold does not infest bread rapidly and bacteria cant quickly cover a petri dish wow

Cosmic strings, yay nor nay

>>12762182
>Still assuming earth conditions
>"I maek compost!"

>>12762184
Cosmic superstring SRB when?

>>12762174
>>12762147
are we all the schizos waiting to wake up?

>>12762174
NO!
NOOOOOO I HAVE TO GO BACK!
LET ME GO BACK TO THE DREAM!

>>12762174
Fuck man don't do that to me

>>12762185
Many lifeforms have no problem growing in simulated Martian environs

>>12762174
God I hate this feeling. When you realize your dream never happened

>>12762199
>simulated

>>12762201
mars is even more fertile

>>12762120
A lot of his criticisms seem very valid.

"Because that is all Isaac Arthur is offering people is very poor and baseless assumptive reasoning, which leads you to a very deranged mind model."

>>12762185
Microbes and fungus don't really give a shit about the sort of radiation you'd get even inside a minimally-shielded surface habitat on Mars. UV from the sunlight coming through that thin atmosphere is the thing that would fuck them up. Luckily UV is trivial to deal with.

>>12762210
Terry Davis was also right a lot of the time. Maybe the entire time.

>>12762125
>New Glenn will fly in 2020!
>actually 2021
>actually Q4 2022, and we'll delay ULA in the process
>and we'll blame the Space Force for all of it
Q4 2022 will be Q4 2023 before the year is out.

>>12762223
Actually they blamed a customer too. Rumor is that customer is actually ULA

>>12762150
>>12762165
impossible, earthworms are based and welcome on mars

>>12762181
>Again assuming it is all at once
Liquidating your holdings is a surefire way to get people to lose confidence in the company and reduce shareholder interest. This information has to be made public, as well.

>>12762216
he likes Thunderf00t which is cringe, but oddly I can't find any other YouTubers who have seen fit to go through Isaac's stuff and offer refutations

>>12762230
>mmmm, rogs

Anyone else wanna get lost in SN8's juicy fat sacks?

>>12762077
I'm an animist and just wanted to say fuck you cunt.

>>12762230
What the fuck are these worm patties?

>>12762174
This scenario fills me with dread

>>12762174
>Enormous explosion high above you as a Shuttle reenters

>>12762247
larval politicians, feeding on the highway repair line items their parents vomit into the budget

>>12762033
>convincing meat substitute
just bring a fucking chicken lmao

>>12762258
not ethical

>>12762259
Ethics is as relevant to chickens as it is to rocks

>>12762260
have you spoken to the chickens?

>>12762071
bxr was stupid

>>12762077
ascendant theocidism is a based religion to get sad atheists out of their funk

>>12762262
Yes, they go "bock bock" and then I cut their head off, pluck them, gut them, and roast them in the oven with some oil and seasonings.

>>12762267
ok as long as you spoke to them

Eerie silence from elon. and they're supposed to have big news about dearmoon next week? Uhhhhh I dont think so bros. Maybe the big news is MZ cancelling dearmoon and pulled funding after the disastrous static fire. mz assistant probably said "i dont think so" and slammed the door in musks face. the deal us off, starship funding NOT secured. embarrassing? Highly

>>12762270
I say hello to them when I go to feed them veggie scraps, but the little bastards refuse to respond and just pay attention to the potato peelings

pressure fed propaox single stage to sub orbit sounding rockets

>Taking it all in, a childlike smile broke out over his face. “Hey,” Musk said, turning to me. “Can you believe that thing, or something like it, is going to take people to another planet for the first time in 4.5 billion years? I mean, probably. It may not work. But it probably will.”

>>12762274
Weak trolling energy, he's already paid.

imagine being the worlds richest man and self styled space enthusiast and this being the sum total of your companies 21 years of development.

>>12762274

>>12762292
I have high hopes for next year. Hopefully they’ve done lots of backroom ground work and the 2020s will be to them what the 2010s were to SpaceX.

Ofcourse he’s fucking late and won’t fully catch up now but i hope he focusses on proper space stations like he imitially talked.

>>12762297
If he had any sense and actually cared about the future of the species, Jeff Who would focus on habitat/resource development technology and leave transportation logistics to Spacex.
Instead his dead-end rocket company will perpetually be a decade behind because they spent 20 years making a sounding rocket and a somewhat passable engine.

>>12762297
>>12762305
imagine a world where the 2010s had seen spacex do their thing and at the same time bo had focussed and been as quick at putting orbital infrastructure in various orbits around the urf and moon.

WHAT HAPPEN TO SUN AT NIGHT

>>12762305
I mean, NG should be a decently competitive vehicle when it finally arrives, and for the time being, space launch is infinitely wider and more profitable than habitats, resource development, and other fields.

>>12762314
It's blotted out of the sky

>>12762318
what i find surprising is there a basically no companies looking to use all this upcoming cheap heavy lift ability. you'd think there'd be loads of spin off technologies looking to get in on the sudden ability to put thousands of tonnes on different planets. i don't think it's feasible to expect spacex to do -everything-.

>>12762101
>>12762007
you have a lot of free time, do you?
10/10
Couldn't have done it better myself, thank you anon

>>12762157
I don't think growing herbs would be better than just shipping a single crate of all the thinkable pills
My idea was that most of the medicinal plants are primarily a decorative thing in a park or grown as a houseplant - a small sliver of nature to keep the colonists sane inside the metal and plastic habs.
And why grow something like tulips that are 100% useless besides their looks? You can grow something just as pretty with some other benefits that may come to use.
Assuming you have colony of like 500+ already, you can probably spare a greenhouse just for relaxation.

>>12762314
It has a little nap.

>>12762314
cgi

>>12762318
>NG should be a decently competitive vehicle when it finally arrives
Sure, to the Falcon Heavy, a vehicle that has been around for several years already. I'm going to bet now that NG's first flight will happen around the same time Starship delivers its first batch of Starlink sats, and NG will fail the boat landing.
Please screenshot this and either praise or mock me appropriately in the future.

>>12762332
martian parks are a nice idea. maybe include a small allotment.
would people transport insects over to roam free in greenhouses? thinking bees etc.

I don't know if this is even related to the thread but I get sad thinking about what happened to Apollo 1, Columbia, and Challenger
Rest in peace and fuck you nasa

Starship will kill more astronauts than any other rocket in history (and that's a good thing)

>>12762354
sfg gets passionately angry at the space shuttle. and rightly so.

>>12762349
oh yeah, bees would be great way to pollinate plants
things like wheat can do without them, but proper flowers need some way of pollination to fruit and doing it manually isn't really something you could do on a larger scale
>>12762361
>>12762354
The Space Shuttle and its consequences have been a disaster for the space race

>>12762387
Just do cuttings lol
Bananas are basically all clones of eachother, and actually have no seeds whatsoever. They only persist because we turn them into cuttings.

>>12762387
being an old man, sat on a bench amongst a load of plants with bumblebees and butterflies buzzing around you and a gentle artificial breeze blows across your face, staring out over the martian desert. peak kino.

>>12762403
>being old

Nightmarish and depressing.

>>12762425
it will happen to all of us save for a tragic accident or biological fuck up.

>>12762430
Better to die before you get old.

>>12762436
depends on what you're doing at the time i guess. i get massive fomo about not getting to see how things pan out in the longer term. the 21st century is incredibly boring.

https://youtu.be/iXOXKfarFhg

>>12762466
spacex stans trembling

>>12762466
A whole bunch of unfinished shit nowhere near assembled.
Yeah, I'm sure SpaceX are spastic with fear.

>>12762396
that's something different
some plants don't self pollinate and the flowers just fall off without moving onto fruit if they aren't pollinated by bees or by brush
>>12762403
>butterflies
*eats your harvest*

>>12762466
needs more lakes.

>>12762466
>raw stock comes in one end of the factory and a rockets comes out the other
so wheres the rockets? it's a potemkim facility.

>>12762487
fool, the butterfly is our harvest

>>12762466
...they havent even pressure tested anything?

>>12762499
they did - it can withstand upwards of 760 Torrs of pressure - almost 10332 kp/m2

>>12762504

>>12762504
wow, impressive

>>12762504
How much is that in non-macro scale units?

>>12762529
1 atmophere

>>12762504
Glad to see these 22 years hadn't been wasted

>>12762504
devilish

Lots of BO haters in here...you better apologize when Jeff Bezos spanks Elon in a next year. Gradatim Ferociter (slow and steady wins the race)

>>12762555
Just what if, what if BO actually makes it?

>>12762555
i just can't get excited about a second united launch alliance.

>>12762559
Makes it what? To orbit?
Then good for them, they get to be more than just a government pork engine manufacturer they were starting to look like after all.
But they still got beat by Richard fucking Branson.

>>12761784
damn whats all with this wasted space? now i am sad that we don't have more planets

>>12762581
Just build more planets

>>12762559
bezos redemption arc? or not. amazon was good at anticompetitive practices and leveraging existing infrastructure. Blue is probably failing because you cant be anticompetitive in the current launch market, you actually have to try. lobbying and political swagger only gets you so far when you deliver on nothing. I also dont think Bezos know how to trailblaze infrastructure, only leverage it. and Blue has to do a lot on their own

>>12762579
by the time new glenn reaches orbit, the small launch shake down may have already happened. they will have to rely on price dumping to take any market share. bezos might be able to afford it

What is actually good about Mars?

>Gravity high enough to be a pain in the ass for deltaV
>Gravity still too low for humans
>Long ass travel time with big gaps
>Not particularly resource rich
>Not able to be teraformed with onsite materials

Seems like a bit of a meme, is it just because of carbon in the atmosphere and water ice at the poles?

The moon seems like a more sensible first step (not saying that NASAs moon plan is good), and IMO the real long term space goal is making resource acquisition infrastructure in the asteroid belt, which mars doesn't have that much to do with.
We will need that anyway if we want to terraform mars.

I guess Maybe Mars could be developed into a spaceship foundry? Making infrastructure for the asteroid belt, taking advantage of much lower Mars escape velocity (half of earth, thanks to logarithmic nature of the rocket equation, this means orbit is much much easier)
Will mars actually be resource rich enough and self sufficient enough to make that economical Vs shipping from earth or shipping from the moon (which has even lower gravity and escape velocity).
What are the deltaV costs of escaping from earth orbit from the moon?
What are moon resources like for fuel? I know there is some liquid water there, and proposals for aluminium based rockets.
I wonder if you could make fission or fusion powered ships with TWR suitable for Mars or Moon launch (besides messy stuff like Orion NSWR)
NERVA would have a TWR of 3 on mars, 6 on the moon.

>>12762559
It would be despite, not because of all they've done so far.
>>12762504
Nice one,anon.

>>12762602
Mars is completely pointless, but /sfg/ has watched too much The Expanse and want Mars to be colonized for some reason. Also Musk fanboys who will parrot all his ideas.

>>12762602
>What is actually good about Mars?
it's a separate rock we can cling onto while looking for something else and staying here is death.

>>12762602
>Gravity high enough to be a pain in the ass for deltaV
>Not particularly resource rich
Yeah, no. The ability to aerobrake on the way in and ISRU methane there while still being able to attain orbit with relative ease makes Mars the most benign place in the entire solar system.
Mars has every resource available on Earth or damn near it, which makes it the second most resource rich place we know of. Further out the large bodies are all differentiated iceballs or gas giants, closer in Venus is a shitty meme planet and mercury is a blasted rock, the Moon critically lacks carbon and nitrogen. It's Mars, then carbonaceous asteroids, then everything else.
>Gravity still low for humans
Prove it.
>muh terraform
Meme shit.

>>12762077
futurism is literally nazism

>>12762602
>says Mars isn’t resource rich
>says to colonize the fucking moon instead

Must be a troll

>>12762615
Can vouch, Musk fanboy here

>>12762615
Kneel to you KING

>>12762628
wtf i love isaac arthur now

>>12762631
>Colonize
>Colonize
>Colonize

Total meme, these places are never going to be good to live in for their own sake, they will be like oil rigs, mining towns ect, places where people go for dangerous high paying work.

What I am asking is whether it makes more sense to launch rockets from Mars, the Moon or Earth to develop the asteroid belt.
Mars has more Ice than the Moon and more carbon, but besides that it doesn't have much advantage and it's harder to initially develop.

>>12762637
the futurists in italy got absorbed into the fascist movement, and the italian fascist movement heavily influenced adolf hitler

>>12762649
Distinct lack of argument detected.

>>12762649
Prove it

>>12762615
I wanted to colonize Mars long before your gay ass Expanse series was ever thought off.

>>12762615
>Mars is completely pointless
ah yes because there are so many other relatively easy to reach planets to visit next to us

>>12762666
No, we should just stay on Earth and fix our planet first.

>>12762668
no fixing this mess. it's fubar.

>>12762668
Yes, I've been trying to convince /sfg/ of this for years. We must indeed cancel spaceflight and take the money and spend it on lipstick

>>12762668
Learn your discourse sweaty, huwites are lizardmen from mars and we're going back to OUR planet. Earth will be renamed Neo-Africa after the great rebalancing.

>>12762602
>gravity still too low for humans
completely baseless assertion that you have no reason to believe

Earth, the land o niggars.

bros im feeling sleepy

>>12762668
Why not both lol are you that retarded. Oh, and the earth is completely habitable if you didn't know.

>>12762652
>>12762654
>Mars has more gravity than the moon.
>Mars is considerably further than the moon even if Δv is similar.
>The moon has the things you need to make rockets.
????

Why should I pick Mars over the moon, easier to make food on mars I guess?
In the long run it might make more sense, since aero capture reduces the cost of transport from belt to Mars massively compared to the moon.
However that requires that the belt infrastructure is pre-existing.

>>12762685
>The moon has the things you need to make rockets.
but mars somehow doesn't, ok retard

>>12762674
I'm a newfag. What was /sfg/ like before SpaceX started to pick up steam?

>>12762688
I didn't say mars didn't?
Please keep up anon.

>>12762591
>Blue is probably failing because you cant be anticompetitive in the current launch market, you actually have to try.
Body Odor is failing because Jeff Who just threw money at them, apparently without paying attention to actual progress. Now that he's stepped down as Amazon CEO, he has time to clean out some stables, good luck.
>>12762602
>Thin atmosphere that makes it hard to use parachutes or airfoils
On the other hand it only needs a single stage to orbit. If we can get some industry going there, it's got great dV to the asteroid belt and Jovian moons.
>>12762674
>spend it on lipstick
and lube

>>12762691
Didn't exist really. I think it'll be very difficult to explain to future generations the lull between Columbia and Falcon 9.
>I'm serious, son, we genuinely thought that nothing meaningful was going to happen this entire retched century.

>>12762691
/sfg/ didn't exist until two months after Elon started building a water tank for thirsty border crossers

>>12762691
this is the original weld watchers anonymous. reddit stole it and now estronaut sells the tshirts.

>>12762699
can someone post the compilation of "its just a water tower" posts? its really funny

>>12762685
>Mars has more gravity than the moon.
So?
>Mars is considerably further than the moon even if Δv is similar.
The trip there 3-6 months, we know from the ISS that it's doable.
>The moon has the things you need to make rockets.
The moon cannot support life and living things make rockets.
>UHGGGH IM BELTA LODA
Alright, you have fun with that.

>>12762707
>3-6 months
outside of the earth's magnetosphere
one by one, every cell of the crew is going to fall apart

>>12762697
>Now that he's stepped down as Amazon CEO, he has time to clean out some stables, good luck.
He'd been filling all of the directorial positions at BO with oldspace trash leading up to that, it would be nice if a change were coming but it's doubtful.

>>12762714
>GCR dose rates in low Earth orbit are about half those in interplanetary space. Thus there are a dozen cosmonauts and astronauts who have already received Mars mission equivalent GCR doses (Padalka, Malenchenko Avdeyev, Polyakov, Solovyov, Krikalyov, Titov, Manarov, Foale, Fincke, Pettit, Walz, Kelly, Whitson) during extended space missions without any radiological casualties. Furthermore, since the International Space Station (ISS) is continually manned, while Mars missions are only in space about 40 percent of their mission time, the total GCR dose (measured in person-rems) that the ISS program crews will receive over the next ten years of planned operations is about the same as would be received by a series of five crews of five people each if they were launched to Mars every other year over the same period. Thus, in fact the ISS program has already accepted the same level of GCR risk for its crews as would be faced by an ongoing human Mars exploration program.

>>12762697
> he has time to clean out some stables
And under whose watch did the stables degenerate, exactly?

>>12762715
>it would be nice if a change were coming but it's doubtful.
This is for me the whole crux of the BO debacle. I genuinely want to see them succeed because I think having two major private space companies would be beneficial. But time and time again they've squandered their own opportunities.
>tfw back in 2017 I bought into the "slow and steady" meme and thought they were just around the corner to start giving SpaceX some healthy competition

>>12762256
This is the moment you become the protagonist of the story and have to stop NASA from pursuing Constellation and SLS.

>>12762707
>So?
So transporting stuff from the moon is a lot easier than transporting it from Mars.
The lunar ascent module had a mass fraction of 40% with a 290 second ISP.
A Mars orbit vehicle would have 15%.
Moon requires lower TWR as well allowing for better payload fraction or more efficient, lower thrust engines.
NERVA moon ship would have drymass fraction of 75% and payload fraction around 50-60% for example.

>The trip there 3-6 months, we know from the ISS that it's doable.
More like 4 to 8 months, Vs let's say a couple of weeks for moon (accounting for setting up your launcher) that's a lot more margin for error regarding emergencies and a lot less delays from waiting for equipment.
The radiation risk is not massively important assuming a dedicated orbital Mars shuttle for humans, most of the downmass is going to be non-human cargo.

>The moon cannot support life and living things make rockets.

Mars cannot support life either, it will still need Earth import, it's just a bit cheaper over the long run, ultimately you aren't going to need that many people to support operations.

>UHGGGH IM BELTA LODA

The asteroid belt is the point of all this yes.

>>12762752
Mars orbiter would actually likely be worse than this sorry. I didn't account for gravity losses for Mars, as I used the Lunar ascent module deltaV (2.8km/s) for the moon orbit but the Mars escape velocity for Mars (5km/s), Moon escape velocity is 2.3km/s so there would clearly be some additional gravity losses on the Mars orbiter.

>>12762752
>So transporting stuff from the moon is a lot easier than transporting it from Mars.
>proceeds with a bunch of naive or irrelevant analysis
This is pants-on-head.
-Our primary interest is colonization, which means we want to be bringing material from Earth and making as efficient usage of it as possible. Not only does this massively favor Mars over the Moon because of resource availability (resource extraction being much more efficient than raw resource importation), in any case return payload beyond personnel is not a primary concern.
-Starship cannot do an ISRU return from the Moon, but it can from Mars, meaning the practical reality is upmass from Mars will be much greater. You think you can do better? Show me the rocket.
-Lower TWR to orbit is meaningless, you still need to land on Earth. I shouldn't need to explain to anyone on /sfg/ the importance of reusability, and parachute recovery with hundreds of tons of vehicle is impractical at best.
-There are no NERVA ships. There will be Mars colonies long before we have any nuclear orbital infrastructure. You will never be one with the protomolecule.

Well, sci, are you black? If not, you cannot possibly understand the trip to mars.

https://www.rt.com/usa/516729-nasa-black-engineer-building-woke/

>>12762752
>Mars cannot support life either, it will still need Earth import
Mars needs import of habitat and resource extraction equipment, ie the bare minimum for colonization. It has the raw resources to support life in abundance. Much more than could be said for the Moon or any asteroid.

>>12762292
>imagine being the world's richest man and building a flying dildo with suborbital cabin, instead of this

>>12762715
You do understand that the "stables" I was referring to were of the "Augean" kind, right?
>>12762735
see >>12762715

>>12762805
>Our primary interest is colonization.

The primary driver is profit actually, this is why Mars colonisation for it's own sake is a meme, a great public work that Elon pays for out of his own pocket.

>Starship cannot do an ISRU return

We aren't aiming to sending stuff back to earth, the entire point is building ships and equipment there and then sending that to the asteroid belt, because space resource extraction only begins to make sense when you don't have to lug it up a gravity well; this is the entire point of Using Mars or the Moon over Earth to develop the asteroid belt, because even with re-usable rockets Earth's gravity well is punishing.


>Lower TWR to orbit is meaningless, you still need to land on Earth.

No I don't, you are missing the point entirely, please actually follow the conversation.

>>12762859
>The primary driver is profit actually
First off, (((You))). Second, making profit through resource extraction is not possible without first colonizing.
>We aren't aiming to sending stuff back to earth, the entire point is building ships and equipment there and then sending that to the asteroid belt
I don't give a fuck about the asteroid belt and that snippet you took off actually applies to that purpose just as much anyway. Starship can send more mass to an asteroid from Mars than it can from the Moon and nothing else even comes close.
>please actually follow the conversation
No u.

>>12762872
the primary driver is profit. deal with it.

>>12762906
your mom primarily drives my dick

>>12762907
Mine too, she's a busy lady.

>>12762872
>(((You)))
That's how the world works, you can't blame Jews when everyone else does the exact same shit, it's just cope; You are all happy merchants now.
>I don't give a fuck about the asteroid belt
What you or I think doesn't matter.
>Starship can send more mass to an asteroid from Mars than it can from the Moon
Pretty much the same actually.
Something purpose built on the moon would be 3 times better.

>>12762907
an astronaut walks into a martian proonted buttplug with a yoke from a classical airline themed starship sticking out the front of his eva suit.
the irradiated inhabitant looks at him and asks, "hey, you know you have a olde-worldy yoke sticking out of the front of your pants?"
elon looks at him and says, "aye it's driving me nuts"

>>12762325
The market took years after Falcon 9 first landed before it started really taking advantage of it. The same will most likely happen for these new launchers

>>12762926

>>12762325
pretty sure there have been a bunch of orbital tech companies come and go. the problem is how do you make money this way? there's just not much to sell unless you build a space hotel or something

>>12762925
I won't bother with all the non-arguments.
>Pretty much the same actually.
Are you braindead? The moon doesn't even have the right ingredients. It's a net negative.
>Something purpose built on the moon would be 3 times better.
Your 3 times better vehicle isn't being developed, and the moon's lack of resources makes it irrelevant. The constant stream of raw resources from the Earth to keep the people making and maintaining the infrastructure you want alive would be more intensive than what you're saving.

>>12762936
What about space brothels?

>>12762939
>I won't bother with all the non-arguments.
Don't bother hitting 'post' next time

>>12762946
Wow you really proved you can make an argument with that one chief

>>12762947
I won't bother talking to you friendo.

>>12762951
Yet you need the last word anyway

>>12762955
No :]

>>12762956
>>12762955

>>12762959
Are numbers words

>>12762960
.

>Page 4
Looks like its time for a new bread

>>12762961
Is punctuation words?

>>12762965

>>12762964
Looks like it's time for you to go back to where you came from.

>>12762968
(me)?!

>

>>12762970
Thanks

It’s not colonizing Mars guys!
We are poor refugees fleeing our world that is suffering from climate change and republicans.
And if you don’t let us migrate that means you’re racist!

>>12762981
No colonist is illegal (tm)

>>12761676
The point is to study their moon which are much more habitable than fucking Mars. Pic related is Europa, it has a big ocean under the water-ice layer unlike fucking Mars which doesnt have water at all

Why not use nukes as fireworks in space?

>>12761784
>>12762581
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj4524AAZdE
https://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html

>>12761706
Because theyre made of helium and nothing floats in helium. Why dont we send balloons to Venus? Because basedboys like Mars

>>12762981
Plenty of colonists would be japs and russians
>”y-your r-racist for not letting us be in charge!”
>”yes”

>>12761810
make a torrent faggyt

A free market bitcoin investor vlogger aeronautics professor and abortion doctor was teaching a class on Elon Musk, known capitalist.

”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Musk and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than the founder of Reddit!"

At this moment, a brave, patriotic, anti-depot Senator who had served 1500 tours of the U.S. Space & Rocket Center and understood the necessity of cost overruns and fully supported all space decision made by the United States congress stood up and held up a 1/32 model of the Space Launch System.

”How old is this rocket, foreigner?”

The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied “50 years old, you stupid American”.

”Wrong. This rocket is as old as America itself. If it was 50 years old, as you say, it would have only bought me one boat!"

The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his vape and picture of Tim Dodd. He stormed out of the room crying those capitalist tears. The same tears capitalists cry for the when they jealously try to claw justly earned wealth from the deserving State and Federal bureaucracies by demanding transparent oversite.

The students applauded and all applied for a job in local government that day and accepted the Shuttle as the best spacecraft ever invented. An eagle named “Richard Nixon” flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag and shed a tear on the no creased picture of Dodd. The pledge of allegiance was read several times, and God himself showed up to plant an American flag on Mars.

>>12763004
there are underground liquid water lakes on mars, just not oceans

>>12763020
Seethe more

>>12763020
>A free market bitcoin investor vlogger aeronautics professor and abortion doctor was teaching a class on Elon Musk, known capitalist.
Why would I want to read the rest? Fuck off.

>>12763020
Brave and avant-garde. Don't let the philistines get you down.

>>12763020
New York Times Bestseller

>>12763047
Avant-garde jewish globalism

>>12762119
dont get

>>12763004

Europa sits smack in the middle of Jupiter's radiation belts and gets pissed with 1000x more radiation than Mars.

Not a good place for humans to visit.

>>12763044
The absolute state of the average /sfg/ poster.

>>12763065
>benevolent

>>12763070

>>12763020
Quality content.

Remember when this thread would speculate endlessly about every bit of minutia around the SN series? I do, that was fun.
I wonder what's going on with SN10, they swapped an engine fast but I'm not entirely sure why. The new one worked though, meaning we should all be wondering about the date of the upcoming hop.

>>12763083
>perpetual year 2000
Kinda comfy in a way I guess.

>>12763091
Does this mean a perpetual kosovo war? I know where I'd be going.

>>12763089
We know its NET monday

>>12763009
A nuke would ignite Jupiter and it would become a star

>>12763030
no

>>12763061
Radiation doesnt penetrate the ice crust

>>12763109
SEETHING europhile

>>12763083
I don't know what a 'perpetual year 2000' would really entail and how it would work desu

>>12763103

Jupiter doesnt have the mass to sustain fusion, even at low rates. For that to happen, Jupiter needs to have a mass several times greater than it has in order for it to be a brown dwarf, let alone being a red one.

>>12763111
so what? luv me some yuros

>>12763095
Would you bet a buck that SN10 flies then?
I hope it does.

Have any of you invested in this?

>>12762649
>Total meme, these places are never going to be good to live in for their own sake

The further away from EarthGov I can get, the better. Plus there's cool rocks out there

>>12763141
>another fucking who company
>trust us, we are about to start the next phase of space travel
fuck off

>>12763141
>large scale orbital construction company
>has never constructed anything of any scale
looks legit

>>12763141
I need to see it to believe it.

>>12762025
>yow dispicabuhl
ok Isaac

concepts too retarded even for isaac awthur:

>>12763176
4ASS

>>12762025
Not him but Isaac rolls with it and makes fun of himself some over it, which is the proper way to deal with having some disability.

>>12763176
Pisslocks.

>>12763180
how does a pisslock work wouldnt the water evaporate in the Martian air???

https://netcapital.com/companies/orbital-assembly
so you just come up with undeliverable concepts, build some vapourware, and people give you money?

>>12763193
sounds like the job for me

>>12763196
i could sit here all day thinking of things all far more realistic that spinlaunch but no one gives me a phat salary. the obvious answer is to start an aerospace company.

>>12763176
Mars colonization

Is a liquid methane lake expected to be more or less transparent than a water lake? Asking for a Titan mission

Quick rundown on the next hop?

>>12763218
Imagine doing a cannonball in that bros...

>>12763218
It's probably deep orange with tholins

>>12763220

Maybe, MAYBE Monday, probably mid March.

>>12761665
Will Blue Origin livestream their hops with New Glenn?

>>12763109
there are though

>>12763235
Not if there's a chance of failure, so no.

>>12763235
The stream will be available to Amazon Prime members for free; $1.99 for anyone else.

>>12763247
Could life exist in them? How do you know theyre there if they are underground???

>>12763128
>no smart phones
>no social media
>usenet still relevant
>you can get 1.5M/384K DSL
miteBcool

>>12763176
spaceflight

>>12763256
>Two years ago, planetary scientists reported the discovery of a large saltwater lake under the ice at Mars’s south pole, a finding that was met with excitement and some scepticism. Now, researchers have confirmed the presence of that lake and found three more.
>The discovery, reported on 28 September in Nature Astronomy1, was made using radar data from the European Space Agency’s Mars-orbiting spacecraft, called Mars Express.

>>12763264
i can't post the fucking article link. whatever, just copy and paste what i posted into your search bar and you'll find the article probably

https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2021/02/26/Firefly-Aerospace-Alpha-rocket-NASA/5321614205867/
Firefly's rocket is now NET April. I feel like it's getting delayed by a month every month.

>>12763278
>I feel like it's getting delayed by a month every month
That's all rockets

>>12762101
Wtf this is based

>>12763283
get on my level, nerds
t. SLS

>>12763278
its p.sexy ngl

>>12763295
The ass is very cute, and this rocket looks even better than a Falcon 1. Redpill me on Firefly, are they based or cringe

>>12763299
Their rocket can put 1000 kilos into LEO at about $15 Million.

>>12763295
>GO TEXAN
What the absolute fuck is up with Texas and rockets recently? The Califlorida government launch complex system has been getting BTFO'd as of recently.

>>12763295
is the construction method based or autistic?

>>12763317

>>12763103
Anywhere I can see 2010: The Year we Make Contact for free? Soap2day doesn't have it.

>>12763328
Fuck I've been meaning to watch this movie for so long.

>>12763328
https://123movies.sc/watch-2010-the-year-we-make-contact-1984-123movies.html
Last time I rewatched it, I think I used this link

>>12763322
god that thing was basic as fuck.

>>12763340
rockets should be simple as fuck

>>12763322
Rip Falcon 1. Horribly underrated and was overall a shitty vehicle but it still did it’s job

>>12763347
wasn't a criticism. rather how far the industry has come in 15 years.

>>12763352
Nah the rocket industry is the same minus SpaceX. Atlas V was flying in 2005 and still is. Delta IV was flying in 2005 and still is (kinda). Ariane 5 was flying and still is. All of these vehicles are mostly unchanged aside from the new boosters on Atlas V. If it wasn’t for SpaceX we’d be stuck here

>In June 2019, SpaceX began a raise of US$300 million, most of it from the Ontario Teachers' Pension Plan
huh

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>>12762466
>million square feet
>550 employees
Yikes