/sci/ - Science & Math

could it be possible that collective consciousness of human race manifests as a God?

could it be possible that collective consciousness of lesser animals (mentally) manifested as an primordial God?

>dinosaurs: primitive God (100 million years ago)
>mammals: more advanced beast God (30 million years ago)
>humans: a God achieves selfawereness (6000 years ago)

You know what animal consciousness is like, do you?

Now imagine a network that is infinitely complex, or close to that level. The only way this system could exist is if Existence, the state of everything that could possibly exist, is infinite as well. If it is truly infinite, that means that by being infinite it also must have existed, and will continue to exist forever. If such a complex system that has infinite factors, functions, links within the network, and relationships, exists, this system undoubtedly would have a consciousness so powerful that it could do anything it wants, concieve of anything it wants, and be present in any part of reality, within any and every universe or realm, and has authority over all things. If the system is infinite there is an infinite amount of possibilities to make manifest. This system you have would be akin to a deity. If existence is infinite and eternal, a component of this infinitely complex system would be that there are finite realities and universes of limited complexity within the broader infinite extistence. The reason this is the case is because you can have finite within the infinite. For example, let's say space is infinite in every direction, but your body occupies a finite space within that broader infinite space. There is something even crazier to think about; you can have an infinity within a broader infinity. Like a set of infinity within a broader paradigm of infinity. The reason I bring this up is because I believe that there is beauty in complexity. There is beauty and joy in being something finite within something infinite. Why?

Because you get to explore this infinitely complex system, and you would never run out of things to explore. If this system is eternal, I would argue that a component of ourselves is eternal as well, and we get to continue this never-ending process of exploration and experience forever. Infinite Complexity brings beauty, joy, and finally, probably the most important thing, PURPOSE!
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What comes to mind when you try to picture something infinitely complex? It is a concept that is difficult to fathom because it is, well, complex! To understand infinite complexity, you must first get a grasp of limited complexity. Every system, object, situation, circumstance, and idea we observe in this universe has limited complexity. This is because all of these things are finite. An object occupies a finite space. A system can only have so many functions, purposes, and factors. A situation can only have so many facets and factors, and so on. However, just because almost all observable systems are finite does not inhibit the fact that many of the things I have listed can be incredibly complex. These things can have hundreds of thousands, if not millions or billions, of functions, factors, purposes, qualities, interactions, and relationships all within their respective fields. Now an infinitely complex system is one where these qualities, factors, relationships, and interactions have no limit in their scope. Each part of this type of system has infinite functions and relationships with other parts of the system. Imagine a network like neurons or computer networks that has a complexity on this scale. Your brain has around 100 billion neurons, give or take, and this system and circuitry has such a valume of functions and purposes that it is absolutely one of the most misunderstood systems in the world, primarily because the brain is what supports and projects consciousness and reality for every given individual.
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>>16176646
I don't know what he said about consciousness, but superrationality is true.

Now that the dust has settled, was this guy onto something about 'strange loops' and consciousness or was it all just schizo ramblings to cope with his mediocre career in math and physics?

>>16175749
"Trying to define consciousness is like trying to touch the tip of your peepee with the same tip of that peepee."

>>16175749
"Trying to define consciousness is like trying to touch the tip of your peepee with the same tip of that peepee."

>>16175743
Shouldn’t you be working on your paper on the consciousness field?

>>16174012
>it ignores the role of consciousness in gravity

Dark matter can only be detected by dark consciousness.

>>16172929
>Ghosts are disembodied consciousness,
WTF am I reading???
>consciousness
Proof?
Did you interview a ghost?

>>16174387
Right. But what if we define everything as immaterial? Simulation, solipsistic dream, a flow on consciousness, some kind of immaterial energy. Details don't matter. We define it all immaterial. Doesn't the same problem persist?
And if it does persist, what makes a dualistic view any more reasonable than either monistic view?

>>16173050
How can that be? Memory and consciousness are immaterial, just like jesus

>>16174103
>consciousness is "far-right" now
That's a whole new way of saying you're an NPC.

The biggest problem with general relativity is that it ignores the role of consciousness in gravity.

It makes more sense when you take into account the quantum mechanical point of view. The photon remains in an indefinite state for billions of years until its wave function is collapsed by a conscious observer. Effectively we are retrospectively shaping the past with our consciousness.

>>16173255
>I wrote this high
Because it dissolves my consciousness enough to manipulate it easier thanks to my Schizophrenia...

You know, part octopus, 9 brains, one to monitor the thinking and 8 (Hydra) to cycle to confuse your chimp like brain. As I literally have to suspend "me" to calculate such things.

I have to disappear for a moment as my mmbody is crosswired to perform calculations its not really meant to.

>>16172666
Ghosts are disembodied consciousness, it's not that hard to understand, idiot.

>>16172278
Pic related was an antinatalist that actually did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqeN2RRR3xQ
https://vitrifyher.wordpress.com/2019/12/19/antinatalism-in-purgatory/

>I’m an antinatalist. I think it’s unforgivable to bring new people into this world given that there is suffering. The thing is that lately I’ve been thinking and feeling that people aren’t real. This would partially solve the problem of evil. There is just my suffering and everyone else is a simulation designed to spite me. This should cause me to not feel so antinatalist since the breeders are disgusting alien mockeries of a true human being, namely myself. Yet somehow I still feel very antinatalist. When I see children with their parents I am disgusted at the entire concept. They are probably just facets of the simulation and not souls brimming with the inner light of awareness like myself. And yet they still move me enough to cause disgust. I suppose that was the intention of the designer(s), to create something that appeared so real that it was actually disturbing. Dr. Miller says I have some sort of syndrome after finding out about my solipsism. I think he’s an imbecile who deserves to be burned on a stake. But out of my bodhisattva-like compassion I would instead grant him a consciousness and send him to heaven forever.

>>16172438
>it's randomness all the way down
but human behavior and consciousness isn't random

we are triune in nature and this applies to our brains as well, in which electrical, chemical, and quantum interactions all occur

while we can envision and carry out possibilities that are random to a degree, in the end that is checked by a myriad of other factors that steer one towards a narrower set of possibilities, and ultimately we do have free will and can choose which of those possibilities we envision that we'd like to pursue

>>16148526
and do you understand WHY they had no steam engine ?
That's right: Because no one looked at entertainment pieces like the various contraptions of Heron and thought 'hey, thats really usefull, lets just scale it up, make it somewhat more robust and have it move things for us' because this issue was not part of the collective conscious. One simply forced a slave and things got done. This was far cheaper, more intuitive and less complicated.
Had there been say, a high price of slavery, the collective consciousness would have been more perceptive.

>>16168900
You don't understand the scope of better fit in this case. A better fit model must not only be more accurate, but more palatable to the scientific community. The taste and aesthetics of the scientific community must change in order for science to flourish. The source of paradigm shifts is death of the old wankers and replacing them with new ones. This doesn't have to be the only way. Scientists can change their consciousness faster if they all started microdosing.

>>16167912
Uploading consciousness is bit wacky as well. The hard stuff can go into either the homunculi or just copy/pasta of the memories/personalities to preserve a "sense" of "continuation" rather than an actual chase for homunculi. I dont know if they really believe this or not