/sci/ - Science & Math

>>5877087
>>thinks consciousness == soul
>>thinks consciousness is unscientific

Jesus christ, how many chromosomes do you have? Consciousness != soul. Consciousness is a physical phenomenon, widely studied by science. See Neuroscience, Psychology, Cognitive Science, AI in computer science, etc.

I never mentioned souls. I never mentioned nonphysical consciousnesses. Your oxygen-deprived, schizophrenic mind imagined that. LRN2READ

>>5877103
Again, YOU mentioned souls. No one here (except you, clearly) believes in a soul. If you have trouble understanding this, please kill yourself.

>>5877071
In your post >>5876897 you implied the existence of a soul/consciousness:

>As I said, this identical consciousness will probably lead a different life

Please keep dualism out of /sci/. Science is about observable phenomena.

>>5863954
>I still have no idea what a soul/consciousness is and if you keep refusing to define it in scientific terms, then please go back to /x/.

This is how most people define the word "consciousness":
>>5863915
>They are able to take in information, form models, manufacture predictions of possible future, and then take actions.

>>5863934
What are the observable effects? How many times do I have to repeat this question? Name them or GTFO. Without observable effects your spiritualism hogwash is to be dismissed.

>>5863938
Why do you resort to low tier trolling? Please don't be silly.

>>5863946
As I said, that's information processing and has absoutely nothing to do with your metaphysical or spiritual claims. I still have no idea what a soul/consciousness is and if you keep refusing to define it in scientific terms, then please go back to /x/.

>>5858772
>Electrons and atoms are metaphysical?
Electrons and atoms surely are physical. Non-interacting ghost entities or unobservable "epiphenomena" are surely not physical. Please keep dualism on /x/.

>OK then, but where's the religion bullshit involved on a brain scan?
Nowhere. A brain scan explicitly disproves /x/ nonsense by showing that we can explain behaviour biologically without resorting to baseless soul/consciousness hogwash.

>>5857408
That's algorithmic information processing happening in the brain. It can be explained neuroscienticially and has absolutely nothing to do with a soul/consciousness. on the contrary it proves that we don't need the concept of a soul/consciousness because it has no explanatory power. Keep your spiritualism trolling on >>>/x/.

>>5857337

>>5857341

I destroy your arguments and the best you got is to try and rope me into a philosophical debate on the pedantic meanings of souls.

you are both dumb a shit

FACTS: he never mentioned soul, consciousness is undeniable and he wants to learn more about it

>HURR DURR HE IS A RELIGIOUS MAN!!!

>>5857334

>implying consciousness = soul

consciousness is an undeniable fact, and he hopes one day it will be explained scientifically

the idea of a soul is never brought up and is completely made up by religion

you have an EXTREME bias if you think consciousness=soul

>>5857330
From a biological point of view a soul/consciousness does not exist. Science is about things which have observable effects and evidence, not about untestable metaphysics and spiritualism.

>>5792363
You claimed the existence of a soul/consciousness. That belief is called "dualism" and it belongs on >>>/x/ because it is untestable and goes against the laws of science.

>>5792364
Keep your infantile insults and projections on >>>/v/

>>5792301
Perception and memory are physiological functions of the brain. They have nothing to do with spiritualist/dualist claims. Keep your soul/consciousness garbage in >>>/x/ where it belongs. We don't want pseudoscience trolling on ./sci. The brain is a physical organ and its functions are explained in terms of science. If you disagree, you are uneducated as fuck or trolling.

>>5792288
Mapping the brain will give us insights in its functions but for sure it will NOT prove spiritualist or dualist nonsense claims without observable effects. There is no soul/consciousness. Please keep that garbage on >>>/x/. If anything, brain mapping provides even more evidence that such an entity/phenomenon doesn't exist because everything can be explained without resorting to metaphysical magic.

>>5784705
>The specific observable effects should be that everything in the universe is conscious

Can you please back up this statement with evidence? You haven't even named one testable or observable effect of a soul/consciousness yet. All you did was asserting its existence without explaining what you're talking about.

>>5769018
You claimed the existence of a soul/consciousness. Such untestable hogwash has no place on a science board.

>>5768885
>Depression is caused by lack of serotonin
Exactly. Depression is caused by lack of serotonin and not by a metaphysical soul/consciousness. Thanks for confirming that spiritualism shit has no explanatory power.

>>5768833
>The organization of boards on 4chan are irrelevant to this discussion.
/sci/ is for science and math. This thread and all other spiritualism discussion belong on >>>/x/

>Observable effects include the manipulation of my own body
My body is a biological machine and obeys the laws of physics. Its processes are deterministic and there is no magical soul/consciousness.

>through commands from your own consciousness.
I do not have a soul/consciousness.

>None of what I have said is based on spiritualism
Everything you posted was empty and untestable spiritualism drivel without empirical basis. >>>/x/ is the right board for you.

>Are you unable to see the beauty of the mind?
You still haven't named its observable effects. I cannot see the beauty of something I cannot see.

>Matter has not only animated, but gained awareness!
Bullshit. Matter is physical and obeys the laws of physics.

>Humans contain awareness.
No, they don't. What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Dualism has no place on a science board.

>>5768288
>You are physics, your brain is physics

That's exactly why there is no reason to believe in a soul/consciousness at all. Please take untestable and unobservable spiritualism nonsense to >>>/x/

>>5762032
>Yes, it is. Some posters ITT are claiming to have a soul/consciousness. As a scientist I have to ask them for evidence.

typical new atheist

repeating stuff he doesnt understand

>>5762020
>Which is not what what's in front of you.
Yes, it is. Some posters ITT are claiming to have a soul/consciousness. As a scientist I have to ask them for evidence. So far instead of naming testable effects they only replied with infantile insults.

>>5762026
I addressed and refuted every single one of his fallacies.

>>5762009
I am arguing against /x/ tier spiritualism shit. A soul/consciousness does not exist. From a scientific point of view phenomena without observable or testable effects are to be dismissed. Take that shit to >>>/x/

>>5761995
>can be verified very easily
Please name one observable effect of a soul/consciousness. Your metaphysical non-interacting spirit garbage belongs on >>>/x/. I will keep asking you to name the observable effects until you either name them or fuck off.

>>5761976
Please show me a testable effect of a soul/consciousness.

>>5761977
I read your post and responded.

>>5756996
>everything can be explained biologically
Exactly. That's why the concept of a soul/consciousness isn't needed and has been rejected.

>as for the soul no one mentions it nor is it required
That's what I'm telling OP.

>>5756967
Care to show me any piece of evidence for a soul/consciousness? What are its observable effects? Name one thing that cannot be explained biologically and requires us to resort to metaphysical magic.