/lit/ - Literature

Simple math: you throw your energy away, it can't be good for you.

I've done the nofap thing and also been a gooner and neither are ideal. Both have downsides and are unfulfilling. I think you really need to have a girlfriend that lets you bust inside of her on a regular basis to be sexually fulfilled without falling prey to some sort of sexual deviancy, whether that be repression or indulgence, but I'm a 25 KHV so that's a no go as well.

>>23331010
Masturbation is fine, ejaculating is bad. Learn to edge, anon.
I'm reading The Multi-Orgasmic Man - Sexual Secrets Every Man Should Know by Mantak Chia and Douglas Abrams and it is possible it has changed my life. It's a book about Taoist sexuality backed by some Western science.
Basically the body uses lots of energy to create sperm and this is why ejaculating is a problem. By becoming multi-orgasmic not only you'll have a more meaningful and pleasant sexuality but you'll use your energy for other things in life. I'm only halfway through and I didn't stop ejaculating but I still edge and I move my sexual energy up my spine to the brain, then while mewing down to in front of the body to the belly where it is preserved. Like I said, I didn't stop ejaculating yet, but when I do this after cumming I feel energized. It's a weird feeling I'm still discovering

>>23331019
That's all the argument I need. Thank you. - OP

>>23331019
>Simple math: you throw your energy away, it can't be good for you.
Exercise is throwing your energy away.
Therefore, exercise can't be good for you.
QED

>>23331054
Exercise is not throwing your energy away. It is spending it on developing oneself in ways that will help one's energy in the future.

>>23331019
Define energy and then explain how the process of masturbation depletes or wastes this "energy".

>>23331058
>Masturbation is not throwing your energy away. It is spending it on developing oneself in ways that will help one's energy in the future.
Explain the difference.

>>23331019
This. I also hold my shit and piss inside because otherwise I'm throwing away my energy.

>>23331019
One must expend the unsustainable excess

>>23331062

nta, but energy is the Qi your body builds up through vigorous Qigong breast strokes and squatting tiger butt squeezes

>>23331062
>>23331065
>>23331077
>>23331079
There are a lot of retarded sophists out there.

>>23331054
>exercise is throwing your energy away
that's false

>>23331065
You're just putting your seed into a napkin, fucking moron. How is that the same as exercise?

>>23331062
This is up to you to find out.

>>23331077
The feeble mind of a poorly instructed low iq individual.

>>23331079
There is no sperm in your sack before you start moving it. This 'excess' theory is easily debunkable.

>>23331103
>hurr durr you're just lifting stuff and putting it back down
Nobody is saying "masturbation = exercise" you fucking moron.
I'm asking why the former argument is valid and latter isn't.

>>23331102
It is literally true. Do you not know how exercise works? How do you think your muscles move, by magic?

>>23331109
>This is up to you to find out.
In other words, you have no idea and you're talking out of your ass.

>>23331101
>say something retarded
>people say it's retarded
>get buttblasted

>>23331019
simple math: don't listen to people who shit on the street
they are the only ones pushing mindless nofap
even the most esoteric sects only do it for clearly defined purposes

I just think about how all succesful people that are chronic masturbators and laugh at you nofap redditors

>>23331010
>that watermark

I've done nofap a few times, doesn't do much. Most guys seem to fail after a week so they will forever have the hope that there would be a miracle if they ever abstain for longer.

>ITT: fedora tippers champion onanism and attempt to turn their porn addictions into a shallow "intellectual" debate
Who would have guessed? Lol

>>23331019
if you stop doing it, you'll start getting regular wet dreams anyway. therefore it's normal.

Imagine not masturbating because you think the invisible daddy in the sky would disapprove and that you'll suddenly turn into a Chad. Nofappers are unironic retards.

>Imagine not masturbating because you think the invisible daddy in the sky would disapprove and that you'll suddenly turn into a Chad. Nofappers are unironic retards.

>>23331010
I see nothing wrong with masturbating to fantasies, erotic literature, or drawn imagery. Masturbating to IRL women is bad because many of the women in those videos are being exploited.

>>23331010
try the summa theologica

>>23331040
Unironically reading the same book, and let me tell you, I was a bit skeptical but I decided to give it a try (what's the worst that could happen) and I persisted for a week and had my first body orgasm and let me tell you, it's mindblowing. And it's been only a week so far. Keep at bro, you'd be amazed

>>23331116
Hi welcome to /x/ they definitely do think it's magic. Building muscles requires, I don't know, wishy thinking and probably has something to do with avacado juice or something.

>>23331161
>all succesful people that are chronic masturbators
such as?

>>23331103
Yeah but it's fine as long as you don't actually nut, right?

>>23331054
is this pilpul? what kind of mistake is this retard making?

>>23331109
>There is no sperm in your sack before you start moving it. This 'excess' theory is easily debunkable.
If you have normal levels of testosterone, you'll just start having wet dreams & walking around with erections while trying to go about your daily routine if you refrain from any sexual release for extended periods of time

>>23331186
>therefore it's normal.
or unnecessary since the body will take care of it by itself?
you drew a self-serving conclusion

>>23331010
Masturbation is bad for you yes. For one, it objectively accomplishes nothing. Masturbation is a dead end and by product of trapped modern man’s sexual cuckoldry. Secondly, it requires your neurons to find pleasure in yourself and your hand. You start to create a dopamine feedback loop which stems from a lack of self control. Thirdly, it enslaves you to your own vices. It becomes your master. How long have you spent masturbating in your life? How many calories burned? If you had put that time to ANYTHING else you would’ve gotten more out of it. It’s a pathetic and disgusting act, hence why outside of 4chan and Reddit, no one talks about it. People know to be ashamed, it’s natural. It’s also a disorder. A disorder is anything that is contrary to its essence or “purpose”. Your genitals are reproductive. The fact sex feels good is awesome, and it’s a gift. But misusing it as a grown fucking man saying “haha it makes my penis fuzzy!” Is retarded and shows a complete lack of self control, and of higher thought/striving towards the transcendent. I don’t give a fuck what religion you pick, all of them even pagans believe in total self control and freedom (real freedom from vice not modern “freedom” to fuck a man in the ass) from the material and corporeal world.

>>23331391
>Your body will eventually force you to go sleep or excrete waste product, so therefore you should always try to stay awake & retain your piss & shit for as long as possible!

>>23331186
>if you stop doing it, you'll start getting regular wet dreams anyway.
this

>>23331010
>Is masturbation actually bad for you?
.... and other questions asked by 12 yr old boys

>>23331421
Apollonian cope

>>23331167
how long?

>>23331426
>that pic
Correlation =/= causation. Maybe they're not cumming because they're already sick/maybe healthy men have more sexual opportunities. Q.E.D.

>>23331010
Bataille is insightful.

>>23331054
Try going on a run after a fap and compare it to a jog after days with no fap.

>>23331421
>you could be spending your time being productive instead!!!!
Lol, lmao even

>>23331430
And Faustian up until 60 years ago. Also Sino. Don’t forget Magian. You’re also forgetting the Bronze Age. Basically everyone in history agrees with me except for gay Jewish revolutionary communists in the last 60 years. Yeah for sure you guys have it totally figured out. Contemporary society is doing swimmingly right now isn’t it? Real good job with all of your ilks “logic”. And I loved that thesis and rebuttal. Truly one that will be remembered for thousands of years. In the future, when notmies want to be profound, they will say “Apollonian cope” instead of “Et tu Brute?”.

>>23331454

>>23331054
Exercise yields objective improvements to health, strength, and discipline. Masturbation does not improve health (inb4 muh cancer prevention!!), drains energy, and is often a compromise of discipline.

>>23331426
So I'm a immortal now, no doubt.

>>23331079
Georges?

>>23331384
Always happens to me when I don't masturbate at least once a week, fucked many pornstars in my dreams so it was kinda nice

>>23331058
While doing exercise you are using your energy. Then the body uses even more energy to repair and increment the muscle of your body. You argue that this energy that you use is not being "throwed away" because it can affect your life positively, but masturbation can also impact your life positively; masturbation, to put one example, can reduce stress.
I'm not pro-masturbation, I'm just trying to explain why this argument is not satisfactory.

>>23331062
Energy is the capacity of an object to move. Your body uses energy because it needs the movement of cells in order to produce sperm. It also requires certain proteins like Zinc to do so.

>>23331671
i have no hard evidence to support this view, but my personal, intuituve theory is that the benefit versus detriment of male masturbation is dependent mostly upon ones individual testosterone levels; i feel like onanistic sexual release is beneficial to highly libidinous, high test males & correspondingly deleterious psychologically & physically to low test men.

>>23331040
sounds gay desu

>>23331754
I agree. Like everything, it's bad in excess. Masturbation is bad because of it's addictive aspect and its relation to pornography. Anything addictive will force you to do it in excess if you don't have self control.

My gf is religious. I'm not. It's almost guaranteed there have been times where she's praying in the other room while I'm secretly gooning in mine. We have sex regularly but that's not the point. I masturbate even if I have a gf. But this dichotomy between her discipline to pray and mine to just jerk off gave me stop to think. I'm reading Libido Dominandi and in there it says masturbation and prayer are mutually exclusive attitudes towards life. Then again I'm just full of energy and testosterone and it seems normal to just be a young guy and constantly horny so I don't really beat myself up too much over it. I do try to jerk off less but the more I resist the more it returns with a vengeance. I do think that overall, masturbation is a sign of stress, not a cure for it. People jerk off when they're trying to escape their lives.

>>23331054
Exercise isn't good for you unless you're overweight. If you actually research life extension, gym hastens your life. Humans were meant to be mostly sedentary hunter gatherers. Gym bros all have gray hair and look like shit by the time they're 30. Cardio and muscle building are both bad. Go be a dumb retard and lift heavy shit for no reason hours a day multiple times a week and keep masturbating thinking it's "healthy".

>>23332759
>sedentary
>hunter gatherers
pick one, coping fatfuck

>>23332765
It takes a few hours to hunt a mammoth and it provided food for weeks. They were idle most of the time.

>>23332769
>They were idle most of the time.
ok lardass

>>23332759
yes, the only 2 options available are indeed sitting on your ass all day, or being a roiding gymrat

>>23332708
E michael jones has dark energy about him. Freudian repression probably applies to him

>>23331010
The desire to masturbate is what’s bad. You shouldn't even want to do it , you should hardly have a concept of it. But we live in such an unnatural society that this is what happens. The center of your being shouldnt be in your pelvis area which you either indulge or repress, but should be in your heart. Work on thinking with your heart like a healthy person. Understand that just because masturbation feels natural doesn’t mean it actually is

>>23332858
It's funny you say that because Jones accuses Freud of being repressed himself, in denial about the true mission of psychoanalysis. In fact Libido Dominandi is a series of stories from the French Revolution onwards in which Jones accuses everybody of being repressed or in denial of their true aims.

>>23332914
>>23332914
I just downloaded the book and started reading about Shelley. He got Shelley all wrong. The guy is a hack with a monomaniacal axe to grind

>>23331103

Likewise, exercise entails putting your fluids in bits of textile.

>>23331315
I'm halfway through and I don't know how to have whole body orgasms. I just edge a bit before cumming and move the energy. When I cum I feel too energized and can't stay calm, even focus is hard.

>>23332914
Freud was fairly conservative and bourgeois. His writing more or less supports traditional marriage, he just (like E. Michael Jones) fixates heavily on dysfunctions in the sexual sphere as a cause of mental sickness (though for Jones it would spiritual). Freud is actually against masturbation, or he thought it was something a healthy male would grow out of, not a big deal. This is very different from the attitudes of our society where masturbation is thought either to be something that everyone does (but many lie about not doing) or else a grave evil propagated by the Jews, etc.. I’ve come to the conclusion that for some reason people in our society are much more prone to onanism than in the past, for reasons not attributable merely to porn, speculatively because in the “knowledge economy” we are more alienated from real production.

By repression Freud mainly meant the manner in which psychic pain/trauma is ignored and blocked out, where it wreaks havoc in then unconscious and causes all kinds of unpredictable reactions. He thought you should basically go towards the pain, and by getting it out in the open and suffering from it honestly you would be cured. Repression didn’t mean refusing to gratify sexual appetites. Freud’s libidinal economy was focussed on the manner in which people form romantic attachments (or fail to form them, which dysfunction inspire Oedipal investigations, etc..). Perhaps the implications of his atheistic worldview were much more radical but Freud’s views were totally compatible with how Christians approach marriage today.

He was a bit crazy and his work is flawed because of his (excuse the phrase) Jewish materialism which he never attempted to overcome, but he was an incredible writer interested in figuring out the truth, and you can easily imagine him running laps around people like Jones in a hypothetical debate.

I also don’t understand why Jones needs to make his own “Logos” brand within Catholicism. I’m not a Catholic but it seems like a redundant and homemade religious concept. I’ve never heard other Catholics use the word like he does

>>23331109
>There is no sperm in your sack before you start moving it
The absolute state of this board

>>23332858
>The desire to masturbate is what’s bad. You shouldn't even want to do it , you should hardly have a concept of it. But we live in such an unnatural society that this is what happens
Many mammals masturbate. People in pre-industrial and agricultural societies masturbated.

The thread fucking started with a Biblical story about masturbation.

>>23333024
It’s not common. It’s not regarded as normal. Onan having pull out game does not equal masturbation. Obviously the capability is always there

Hunter gatherers don’t masturbate as far as I know

>>23333024
There are very few species that have sex solely for the pursuit of physical pleasure and the ones that do, aside from humans, do so to enhance social bonding. When humans chase after sexual gratification for its own sake it inevitably leads to a shallow existence and a rotting psyche.

>>23331010

>>23333062
>There are very few species that have sex solely for the pursuit of physical pleasure
True, but there's a shitton of species that jerk off/fuck inanimate objects just because their instincts can't tell the difference between that and the real deal.

>>23333088
Yeah, and when you see that type of behaviour you it comes across as a deranged flaw, something in their programming has short-circuited, or basedly animalistic. Being human means rising above your programming or at least striving towards the possibility of such.

>>23331010
Only you can say whether masturbation is bad for you.

It’s not bad for me. I’ve been masturbating since I was 14. Even today I prefer it too sex. It may be because I’m kinda schizoid or have an over active imagination.

Truthfully I don’t like fucking…I envy the gays being able to tell their lover ‘Sorry, I don’t top’. Ive accepted that for marriage and kids will have to….and it’s ok but not as good as masturbation. I do like receiving oral, but most women imo dont like giving head. Or worse they use it as a tool to manipulate you. Now of I course I do enjoy hand jobs. Again in my experience women aren’t very good at it. Anal…no thanks.

This leaves masturbation. I’m very good at it and enjoy immensely. I can go at my own pace, try various techniques, and just enjoy the experience. With my imagination, I’m not disappointed. No pregnacy, no stds. Sure it’s not a magical experience, the closeness of another is not there. But I’m kinda schizoid so that’s ok.

I’m not religious. I see no inherent purpose to life other than reproducing or at least supporting those who do reproduce. To that end masturbation doesn’t exactly support reproduction. However it only takes one ‘nut’ to get a girl pregnant. So it’s not exactly like masturbation precludes you from having sex.

I see no connection to masturbation and ‘energy levels’. That is just pseudo bullshit. I think ‘no-fappers’ are trying to self improve. I view them as delusional but perhaps there’s the placebo affect where they feel they have more energy. I’m not sure.

Lastly there is at least too me no concept of ‘wasting time’. Wasting time implies some purpose to life which I see very little. I’ve benefited enormously from my masturbation experiences. I enjoy them very much and look forward to just laying down stroking one out.

I’m sort of a solophist. I think we are our own gods and must create our world. Clearly blasphemy to Christian’s and other religious groups. Sorry but this is my world and you are not in it.

>>23331040
Idk if spending multiple hours gooning is better than just cooming once every 3 days

>>23331010
>Is masturbation actually bad for you?
YES. masturbation is a form of bio-spiritual self-harm.
Masturbation is an abuse of one's own sexual organs against their intended design and purpose. it's an exploitation of one's own body and an enslavement of one's mind to meaningless sexual perversion. it's against your dignity and sexual integrity.
that's why it's inherently shameful no matter how often society tells us that it's "healthy" and "normal".
>>23331040
>Masturbation is fine, ejaculating is bad. Learn to edge
that's even worse because it results in prolonged suffering and exploitation of your bodily dignity.

>>23333184
masturbation is so horrible and evil that it's hard to conceive.

>>23333155
>Only you can say whether masturbation is bad for you.
Way to tell on yourself without realizing. Didn't read the rest of your sperg by the way.

>>23333184
>that's even worse because it results in prolonged suffering and exploitation of your bodily dignity.
Virtue signaling buzzwords from a low IQ moron with no empathy

>>23331431
I did 4 months a few times. Last summer I did 1 month without even trying because I was traveling with my colleagues.

>>23333217
no empathy?!
empathy is necessary for realizing that masturbation is evil

>>23333011
Interesting to read. I don't really have any opinion on E. Michael Jones, so I'm trying to read the book at face value. I picked it up not so much because of masturbation but a more general concern about my degenerate behavior in general. Passion and lust are certainly ruling passions of mine, to the point of making frequent use of escorts and increasingly hardcore pornography, so I'm open to any ideas that will curb this behavior. I'm not sure if total celibacy is the answer. It certainly has its appeal and lived that lifestyle for some years here and there. But I think it might be too much. Religious arguments don't really work on me either. The fact that this book is about sexual liberation as POLITICAL CONTROL is what kept my mind open to it. That and the fact that I'm simply at a total loss as to what to do about it. Or whether whoremaxxing is a problem to begin with.

>>23333227
You make false claims and false assumptions, you're a liar.

>>23333143
I just don't see abstinence as anything higher. If I had a good reason to do it, I would. I also quit alcohol because the benefits are obvious but I see no benefits in nofap.

>>23333231
>false claims and false assumptions
such as?

>>23333011
Freud was right

>>23333216
You mean because I listen to myself instead of the schizophrenic ramblings of :

Jew-God : aka Yawa
Jew-God JR : Jesus
Undefined : Holy Spirit
Big Mamma : Mary
The Crew : Apostles
The Kiddy Diddler : Mohammed
Tubby : Buddha

>>23333237
That masturbation is evil. Absolutely braindead claim, like christcucks calling satanic literally everything they don't understand, or denying basic scientific facts.
You're a dishonest moron with no empathy, admit it.

>>23333249
>also a fedora tipper
But I knew that already. If you want to know how you tipped your hand it was via the subconscious parroting of the liberal idea that self-indulgence is not only without consequence but somehow affirms control.

>>23333253
i gave reasons for that claim and it would be disingenuous of me to pretend that i think that masturbation is okay, so how am i being dishonest?

>>23333267
You only repeated that masturbation is le bad with other buzzwords without any arguments, you're a low IQ pseud and dishonest. You're a miserable loser who wants other people to feel shitty as you for masturbating, hence no empathy.
You're too stupid and too dishonest to have this conversation. You don't know what real morality is, you just call evil everything you don't like because anything that makes other people feel pleasure makes you seethe with burning rage.

>>23333233
Ok, but don't pretend you're doing anything other than giving into a base urge for the sake of short-term physical pleasure.

>>23333267
That anon has had days, weeks or months even, where his biggest accomplishment was making himself coom. He's scared you're taking that away from him, lol.

>>23331010
It is if you don't listen to your body. Forcing your body to do something it doesn't want to do will come bite you in the ass at some point.

>>23333291
>bite you in the ass
God, now I have to jerk off. Thanks.

>>23333263
I guess you’re right. I like self indulgence.

Get this - I even eat ice cream with Oreos in it. Do you feel guilty about that too?

>>23333296
Obnoxious cretin

>>23333274
my argument is that masturbation violates the design and purpose of sexual organs because it does't involve sexual intercourse. therefore, it's a form of self-abuse as it separates one's sexuality from its own purpose.

i feel shitty for masturbating with and without the impression that other people feel shitty about it as well. masturbation is against my conscience regardless of whether other people find it pleasurable.

>>23333303
>I even eat ice cream with Oreos in it.
That's why no one will fuck you and you have to jerk off. Next time try going for a run, fatass.

>>23333333
When it comes...

>>23333274
I would respect the anti-masturbators more if they didn't try to act like they were all on the same side and had goals that aligned at all. There seems to be this weird coalition where, on one side, there are people who are just fine with jacking off and see no issue with it, but on the other side, there are people advocating abstaining, but for entirely different and conflicting, contradictory reasons. There absolutely should be far more infighting among those with differing or even opposite goals i.e. those who advocate for complete semen retention (some of which are religious, others who aren't), vs those who avoid fapping to hope they have more sex with women (some purely for procreation, others for recreation), vs people who want to ejaculate but avoid addiction to porn.

The whole thing is a ridiculous tryhard rag-tag alliance on an 'issue' where the other side just want to get on with their lives in peace and have none of these (completely contradictory) issues that are claimed to be so horrible as the non-onanist say.

>ITT: fedoras engage in masturbatory debate about why jerking themselves off is a rational virtue
Lol, when did /lit/ get so meta?

>>23333333
wasted

>>23333333
WASTED

>>23333312
You’re such a try-hard. Read my post - I really don’t like fucking that much (not as tight and frankly girls are kinda hard to please).

I do go jogging at my own leisurely pace….5 miles in 45-50 minutes. I don’t feel any need to impress my fellow man. I don’t care about your abs or how much you can bench or how much money you make. Men can be just as simplistic as women comparing their clothes or their social media. I live my life for myself.

>>23333339
>>23333340
>fedoras seethe
Lol

>>23333343
>READ MY MASTABATORY RAMBLINGS!
Lol, no.

>>23333309
You don't get to decide what's the design and purpose of anything, especially when the purpose and design of something allows it to be used in a way you're claiming it shouldn't be used.
This is why you have no empathy, you clearly cannot comprehend the fact that people have different views from you, so you call them evil. The only objectively evil person here is you, devoid of both empathy, humility and intelligence.
You're rotten to the soul.

>>23333347
>You don't get to decide what's the design and purpose of anything, especially when the purpose and design of something allows it to be used in a way you're claiming it shouldn't be used.
The next time you hammer a nail with a handgun make sure the barrel is pointed towards you. Should be as easy as catching your ejaculate in a Kleenex.

>>23333333

>>23333333
wasted imotbqh

>>23333347
This is how addicts often respond. Instead of masturbation insert alcohol, cannabis, junk food, or anything else with undue influence over their lives. If only you could shift that level of fervor toward the healthy behaviors in your life then you would realize how ridiculous your position is.

>>23333347
the purpose of the sexual organs is evident in their anatomy and function. the fact that the purpose of sexuality is reproduction and the right use of one's sexual organs is through sexual intercourse is not something that i made up. it's self-evident.

i didn't call anyone evil. doesn't it require empathy to want someone not to abuse themselves?

>>23333376
The purpose of the mouth is to talk and to consume food. This is self evident.

The purpose of my dick is to make babies and to jerk for self-pleasure, reduce anxiety etc…. This is self evident.

>>23333390
>The purpose of the mouth is to talk and to consume food. This is self evident.
>The purpose of my dick is to make babies and to jerk for self-pleasure, reduce anxiety etc…. This is self evident.
Sup, TJ. I heard Bananas are on sale at Trader Joe's.

>>23333390
sexual pleasures exist to "reduce anxiety" in the context of sexual intercourse to enable reproduction.
it's not an independent purpose.

>>23333405
besides that, masturbation makes me more anxious because of the guilt that is connected to it

The trick is to do it immediately and efficently when the mood takes you. Do not dwell on it, or "Goon" As the kids say, but blast your load and hit the road.

>>23333405
You’re always going to come back with something to fit your argument. So here I’ll speak your language.

If God didn’t want me to masturbate he wouldn’t have made it feel so good…

>>23331040
This is why so many Buddhist monks end up bald. The energy is withdrawn from the scalp and so the hair follicles perish. So you are trading full body orgasm for baldness, in essence.

>>23333441
>This is why so many Buddhist monks end up bald
they literally shave their heads

>>23333436
what about conscience and the purpose of sexuality?

>>23333468
Not sure why this is so complicated.

There are multiple purposes. We read books to learn about the people we’ll never meet or the places we’ll never go.

Masturbation is for the sex we can’t or shouldn’t have. If it interferes with your ability to have relationships than by all means abstain, for me its necessary.

Quitting has been immensely helpful for me, personally, if an anecdote is useful. Higher energy, natural motivation, increase in social skills, a feeling of the body repairing itself, the mind clearer and more disciplined, a certain sense of 'joyfulness' emanating from one's life.

Books on the topic are often moralising or are melded with a syncretic Eastern spirituality - I am not sure if they are super helpful, in that sense. Just give it a go yourself.

>>23333550
> for the sex we can’t or shouldn’t have.
sex that you shouldn't have is immoral
masturbation is a perversion of sexuality against its purpose, not a separate purpose

I did nofap for 30 days and got horny enough to get a BJ from a pretty cute crossdresser. It gave me the drive to get my dick wet in IRL real life so mission accomplished I guess.

I think porn is the actual problem. It can easily become a crutch for when you're bored or anxious and can suck you in for hours through an endless smorgasbord of novelty and titillation. The happiest medium I found was abstaining from porn and just wanking using my imagination when I was feeling genuinely horny, which was about once every 2-3 days versus 3-5 times a day with the aid of porn.

>>23331040
Explain further. Do you just edge?

oh my fucking god you faggot
you're just looking for excuses to keep doing it like the addict you are, just fucking do it then faggot and stop shitting up the board with your stupid obnoxious fucking posts
you know its bad for you but do you give a shit? no
if i tell you why you'll just tell me
>nuh uh
listen to your body and find out
or dont, just jerk off and shut the fuck up
fucking stupid faggot
you ask for answers but any answers anyone gives you is met with incredulity, if i tell you about ojas, vril, qi, you'll call me a schizo cow dung eating street shitting frog eating insect eating suicidal autistic incel chud trad larping shitskin poojeet somalian nigger and go back to doing whatever the fuck you want
you could just try it for yourself but you feel like you'll literally fucking die if you dont fap cause you cant control the urge
>IM NOT ADDICTED IM NOT ADDICTED
do you drink soda? stop drinking soda for a few days and see how you feel, if you feel shit that's withdrawal, same shit happens with fapping
stupid faggot retard
do whatever the fuck you want you nigger
wasting our fucking time for fucking nothing
you dont have to read some street shitter bible quran schizo shit to feel your body and notice how tired, meek, cowardly and low energy you fucking feel after you jerk off
notice the backpains, the blue balls, the bruised penis, the blurry eyesight, the receding hairline, the darker skin, the lighter voice, the poor posture, the lack of eye contact, poor breath, inate shame, notice all these things in yourself after you jerk off, the fucking brainfog is unmistakable, the irrtative moods, the increase in apetite cause your body wants to replenish energy, the sleepiness, the loss of muscle mass
the list goes on and on and on
just learn to pay attention to your fucking body and do whatever the fuck you want
you fucking faggot
go back to destroying your dick and getting erectile dysfunction from beating it to loli futa scat hypno inflation toddler feet armpit dommy mommy goth gf gooner porn you faggot

>>23333567
>a certain sense of 'joyfulness' emanating from one's life.
i miss that so much, when i reached day 30 i felt like a new person entirely and even the little things that i previously had no energy to enjoy brought me inmense pleasure
i get so pissed when nigger faggots like op say its natural to be some anxious crippled little golem hiding out in a cave mutilating yourself
just listen to your body you stupid fucking faggot

>>23332847
Ignored my refutation of your previous stupid argument, refuted ispo facto too by your original image, and now you move the goalposts to focus on the nomadic aspect and assume they just wandered aimlessly expending calories for no reason. The cave man camped around for months. The hunt sustained them for weeks. Average amount of work in paleolithic societies was 4 hours per person a week estimated by prehistorian anthropologists. Unable to devise an argument, you're projecting now. The reformed obese man thinks people will just be le fat from doing nothing. Not so. Exercise is not healthy. It taxes the body for no reason. Eating a surplus of calorie to sustain anabolism is unhealthy. People who go to the gym are NPCs and they think it has to be healthy because it's portrayed as healthy. They never really thought about it much. The more miles a car has the sooner it fails. Same is true for the body.

>>23333436
correct, read bock saga, you're not meant to just waste it like a retard every fucking day slowly killing yourself
and if you're not using it like in heathen times sharing it with someone else you care about and transmuting energy back and forth you are screwing yourself over
ideally if you have no one to share it with you should just retain it for yourself, and even if you have someone to have sex with, even then you still need to retain your seed for a while for its quality and your health
and none of this is mental gymnastics, retention comes naturally to everyone, in primitive cultures everybody retains their seed because they know it helps them and they only ejaculate to make offspring
god also put that there, we just dont realize this shit because we are disconnected from nature

>>23331010
It is but I don't understand the grasp porn has in the RW world. In a society where marriage and procreation are actively being fought against, i find that masturbation is a better alternative to fucking whores, sluts or being in a frivolous secular relationship. Attacking masturbation and porn seems inconsequential to attacking things like woman's voting rights, contraception etc. I understand it's about pushing an overton window but it seems retarded to hold the ideal of not having sex before marriage in a world that actively fights economically and spiritually to make this difficult and then condemn an outlet to sexual energy that is objectively less destructive than fucking whores, sluts or situationships.

https://youtu.be/r2DIZdAQyD8
watch it coomoid, do it for yourself

>>23331010
>What are some books that will help me decide one way or another?
anything by william walker atkinson that talks about vital magnetism
the coiled serpent
bliss of the celibate
semen retention miracle
sexual energy transmutation

maybe just read the first two or three i dont remember what the other ones are saying but its all the same shit

>>23333816
basado

>>23333816
dare I say based

>>23333885
I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. You speak of ‘primitive cultures’ as of they’re some kind of homogenous group.

I’ve read my share about ‘primitive cultures.’ In fact take a look at The Conquest of New Spain where Diaz talks about the sodomy of the natives. Your fantastical notion that all primitive cultures has sex for just procreation is utter and complete bulshit.

And the ultimate reality check is there no proof of any for even existing. It only follows that whatever ‘purpose’ you read into the world is the purpose you put in.

Lastly, it’s always funny how the no-fap crowd blames everything from‘receding hairline’ to energy loss on masturbation. It’s downright comical.

>>23333333
I searched for this post for like five minutes absolutely embarassing this may be the final nail in the coffin the last sign to leave this board for good the quality is just soooo bad

The act of masturbation, not so much.
Pornography is what truly rots your brain.

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It's not bad but it's spiritually unhealthy.

I don't mean in a religious way, I mean in the sense of ego.

You know deep down you should be having sex, everytime you jerk of you are failing yourself.

>>23333011
>Freud
was a cut dick jew. everything he says regarding sexuality must be understood and viewed through that distorted lens

>>23331332
Kanye

>>23334231
>fedoras mad
Lol

>>23331019
Stress is excess energy. Throwing that way periodically is indeed good for you. Daily masturbation isn't good, but masturbating once a week? Healthy, normal, natural.

>>23331010
"masturbation bad" is a demoralization and bully tactic from psychopaths. If you are unproductive it's not because you masturbate, it's because you're not good at organizing your life. That's a whole issue on its own.
If you're lazy and not masturbating, you'd find other ways to waste time.

If you truly want to be healthy, don't do a nofap month. Do a nocarb month.
>durrrrrr what are you le ketotard
No, vegetables are pointless. Eat meat and organs.

Dropped a couple redpills here, don't care for arguing and don't care if you keep being an obese faggot attached to the nofap psyop like a placebo.

>>23333333
kek, coomers btfo

Some peoples ego gets threatened when nofap is brought up, they cant imagine how some are able to abstain from masturbation. Thats they are so aggresive

>>23336367
>If you are unproductive it's not because you masturbate, it's because you're not good at organizing your life.
true. but that doesn't make masturbation any less immoral. sexual misbehavior is sexual misbehavior.

>>23336367
Nofap and nocarb are practically identical in their misdirected attention.
I.e. "if only I could do this one special thing then my life would change"

>>23336647
carbs, glutens specifically, cause the body to produce an inflammatory response. cut gluten, limit dairy and sugars.
oh yeah, and don't eat like a fat hog. you need less food than you think, but only when you're not shoveling unhealthy, unnutritious food into your face

>>23336367
retard

>>23333333
>3333333
Fedoragoon bros...

>>23336598
>immoral
fucking please

>>23331062
it's a small amount of protein just eat properly and you'll be fine as long as you aren't gooning 10x a day

>>23331010
Only if you do it too much because it's an unproductive habit that drains energy.
I do it too much and sometimes after I masturbated three times one the same day I will get tired and not do anything.
It's different from other unproductive habits. Watching football is a waste of time, but if my club wins then it gives me a nice energy boost for a few hours.
But masturbating once a day or every two days is not a problem, and can be actually enjoyable, specially if you do it looking only at aesthetically pleasing things, little asses and long legs of tall volleyball players etc.

>>23333011
Based
>>23334851
>Jew
yes
>cut dick
Actually no.

The fact that jerking off is such a hot-button debate is a testament to the cock-obsession of the most cock-obsessed group of religions on earth, the Abrahamoids. Remember that when they criticize other religions, it's always "They were gay" or "they don't fuck enough" or "They fuck too much". Some of the most intelligent men in history spent their lives debating one small part of the encyclopedic dick laws conjured up by a god that for "some reason" places alot of importance on dicks, including a part to cut off in early life to form a "covenant" with this god.

>>23331077
This is literally how /fit/ thinks. I'm not joking.

>>23338236
Are they wrong tho?

>>23338597
almost always yes.

>>23333816

>>23333333
OMEGA CHECKED /LIT/ ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>23333816

>>23333374
the difference is that you can completely avoid alcohol, cannabis and junk food and feel fine,
but without any kind of sexual release you become constantly horny.

>>23333309
And what makes non-reproductive sexual intercourse any better? Most sexual intercourse happens without any intention to procreate and thus separates one's sexuality from its purpose just as much, with the only difference that engaging in sexual intercourse with a modern woman also exposes you to a high risk of catching STDs, getting rape accusations thrown at you if she regrets it and more fun bonuses.

>>23332858
Sexual desire can't be switched off unless you castrate yourself, which certainly would be more unhealthy than masturbation.

>>23332953
This is why nobody wants to have sex with you.

>>23340763
u got rhetorically owned dude. sit down

>>23336817
>gluten is a carb
Keto-induced brain damage lmao.

>>23340864
some carbs have gluten. some carbs do not

>>23332759
We definitely didn't have good enough cardio to run down mammoths and deer at one point, right anon? Fucking retard. I agree that lifting and doing nothing else is kind of gay though — you should do a combat sport because I like those and you should like what I like.

>>23341683
A mammoth weighed 5 tonnes, enough meat for a very long time.

>>23342621
And how long is that meat going to keep in the hot sun before it's green and writhing with maggots? A week? Two? We were endurance hunters. We ran marathons. Cardiovascular health strengthens your heart, which improves blood flow and overall health. Coping with pseudoscience because you're an out of shape slob is pathetic, anon. I'd at least respect your choice if you admitted what you are.

>>23340754
intercourse that involves active measurements to prevent procreation (such as contraceptives) is repulsive and dehumanizing.

but it still has more dignity than masturbation because it involves a relationship.

>>23331054
Even a 3 minute youtube video proves your comment is false. Exercise if anything only removes waste from your body. Otherwise it has only energy buliding capacities, not only in your muscles but your body overall, literally reverses aging. You are using semantics here

>>23331010
You can tell so easily by just trying it yourself. See the changes in energy and your mental clarity and thinking by not masturbating for just 3 days. See how that horniness you always threw away is now present. That's pure dopamine, you now not only like women even more, you like everything in life more

>>23331754
Good thing I'm the former

>>23344014
>u now not only like women even more
>women

ngmi

>>23336367
>If you are unproductive it's not because you masturbate
I really hate this argument, and the normies who put it fourth. It's the same thing as video games. People will say "you can't be addicted to video games", and "if you fuck up and avoid something by playing video games then it's your fault, not the video game's fault." But then the problem with that retarded point of view is that I am more productive when I set myself up to avoid video games.

Exact same thing with masturbation. Saying things like "you aren't actually unproductive because of X" reduces to absurdity so fast you should really get your head checked if this is your goto argument for these things. Unless of course you actually have a separate issue that you think the person could address.

I'm sure you understand the myriad issues with going to a junky who is trying to quit meth and being like "Your life isn't shit because you are addicted to heroin."

Anyways, extremely low IQ shit.

>>23331010
>Is masturbation actually bad for you?
No it's not you /x/ semen retention schizo

>>23331062
It's nerve power in this case. It's the explanation for why you get a headache if you orgasm too much or you feel dull and tired, and also the explanation to why your dickhead is way more sensitive if you don't do it for a few days and you feel better overall and can think more clearly. Horniness, excitement, happiness, never feel tired, adrenaline rushes=proper nerve energy levels.
Dullness, paleness, dysphoria, easily get tired, boredom, low libido=wasted nerves from too much cooming

>>23333167
>cooming once every 3 days
Damn son I guarantee I'm older than you and it's more like 3x a day

>>23341683
>lifting is gay
>do a combat sport instead where you hurt and have close physical contact with other sweaty dudes all day

>>23331010
It is not about how much but what kind of porn you watch and if you have the willpower to watch the right kind of porn. NoFappers are just ashamed from the type of stuff they jack it to.

>>23331186
Frequent wet dreams are due to your body being trained to coom constantly

>>23344035
I am 22 and it's literally not possible anymore.

>>23344188
Why not? I'm significantly older than you and can do it 6 times on a good day. Or maybe I tried for a 6th time and couldn't do it, I forget.

>>23344064
This is false. I fap to normal stuff (many people don't even call it porn) and I dislike fapping deeply. But then again I also dislike casual sex, so there you go. To me these things are more like urges than shit I want to do.

Also I have no issues with porn, I don't think it's bad, it's just another form of art. Fapping sucks though.

>>23344097
I started having wet dreams before I even knew what masturbation was.

>>23344027
"If I do this I'm less productive" is not the definition of addiction, midwit

>>23333333
BASADO
FEDORAS & COOMERS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>23345206
So again we are arguing semantics. You will now say something of the sort "addiction implies you have actual withdrawals from not doing it" and will say that compulsively giving into something pleasurable with zero control to the point it ruins your life, is not addiction even in the slightest, right? because you don't have withdrawals if you dont do it

>>23345291
Yes now argue against that point.

>>23331010
You need to compare sexual desire against that of other bodily urges. For example if you were to eat every time you desire it you will quickly grow fat and unhealthy. Similar thinking should be put to all bodily urges.

You can get a large audience together for a strip-tease act-that is, to watch a girl undress on the stage. Now suppose you came to a country where you could fill a theatre by simply bringing a covered plate on to the stage and then slowly lifting the cover so as to let every one see, just before the lights went out, that it contained a mutton chop or a bit of bacon, would you not think that in that country something had gone wrong with the appetite for food?

>>23332708
GF is religious but has premarital sex. No she's not religious

>>23333184
meaningfully elaborate 'bodily dignity'

>>23340754
There are different levels or channels of sexual desire. The kind of desire that seeks out short term mating opportunities is highly maladaptive and definitely can be “turned off,” or rather redirected and transformed. If you disagree with this you are projecting your (common) pathology on all humanity, in other words you are detached from reality

>>23345349
>t. cs lewis enjoyer

Anyone who abstains for a period will notice the influx of energy and power. Coomers are less than animals. The ultimate lack of self-control, subservient goy

>>23343992
next you'll say rape is less immoral and more dignified than masturbation...

>>23345571
Power is great, but what is it used for? Unfortunately, those who practice semen retention are often tyrannical and stupid.

>>23345571
if you think this you're a "coomer". Masturbation is unnatural and bad but avoiding it is not some kind of trick for gaining mastery over life. Only a coomer or ex-coomer would think this

>>23345789
They are fixated on avoiding one sin and tend to ignore all others. Masturbation is not anywhere near as harmful as casual sex. It's not close

Their focus should be on respecting women (regardless of whether the women they see want it) and chastity and moral purity in all senses of the term. This means being kind and loving and wanting the best for others

>>23331077
piss and shit includes all sorts of different toxins your body requires to get rid of.

>>23331315
isn't the orgasm only 'mindblowing' only because you were edging before hand? aren't orgasms always more 'powerful' after edging?

>>23331421
based alert. truest comment thus far.

>>23333155
hows HS?

>>23345859
>Their focus should be on respecting women
I agree with this

>and chastity
But not this

>and moral purity
Yes, but only in a Buddhistic sense

>>23334231
wait, you were purposefully actively looking for a comment with the number '23333333'? Is that like a hobby or superstitious thing or something?

>>23331010
You fucking pathetic faggots mumbling about not touching your pipi are not bearable anymore. How can you chicken chested low test glass boned retards even look in the mirror. You are obsessed with masturbation and its absolute ridicolous. How about this? Just masturbate in a healthy frequency and dont be a fucking coomer. A fine wank every 5 days is fine. Your body stays used to firing the gun so you will have a nice build up on your of days so you can get your dose of pussy urging mannly aggression or what ever the fuck you church boys trying to achieve. Real no fap is for men which have sexual partners so that they fuck their girls instead of watching porn. Not ejaculating over month or years as a single man is the most retarded thing you can do