/lit/ - Literature

>>23157984
>the characters and story of Frodo, Sam and Gollum are entirely unique in it and there really aren't any other characters or story arcs like them
I'm not well read enough to claim otherwise, but I'm quite certain that this isn't the case.

>Bongo met his friend Pippin and they shared some pipeweed together
>Pippin, son of Poppin, was the owner of Toppin's Tavern in the land of Droppin during the 912th year of the The Third Era. A siege led by Khrazug M'kholack and the orc army forced the Poppins to relocate to the land of Floppin, where they were met with heavy resistence from the local dwarven clan of Gerlim-Kleim.

>>23157989
>Pippin, son of Poppin,

>>23157987
It's an incredibly unique story, and very off type for anything else in the fantasy genre

>>23158004
I mean, Tolkien was basically just ripping off the Iliad with Norse mythology thrown in.

>>23158015
There are no characters anything like Frodo and Sam in any Greek or Norse myth cycle

>>23158034
And if I similar characters in fiction before Tolkien then what?

>>23158037
There aren't any. They're pretty unique manifestations of his imagination

>>23158042

>>23158037

>>23158071
Explain the similarities you see

>>23158092
Archetypal hero is accompanied by archetypal faithful companion on an adventure.

>>23158104
Neither Frodo or Sam are archetypal

>>23158108

>>23158115
They don't fit into that kind of mold

>>23158200
It's not a rigid mold, it's an archetype and yes, they do.

>>23158204
You really can't see how different Frodo is from essentially any other fantasy hero?

>>23158213
Dude how could you miss that scene where Frodo confronts Sauron and kills him in an epic swordfight?

>>23158213
Explain how he's unique then I'll tell you why you're wrong.

>>23158228
His story and relationship with Gollum being symbolic for struggles with addiction and ptsd

>>23157989

Frodo and Sam taken from Achilles and Patroclus. The trek to Mordor taken from Xenophon's Anabasis. Struggle against Shelob taken from Odysseus and Polyphemus.

>>23158378
You sincerely think Frodo was in any fashion inspired from Achilles?

>>23158386
Wholly? No. But their dynamic was taken from there.

>>23158392
In what way? That seems like an unbelievable leap

so many anons coping here
frodo and sam were based on brits in the first war
reminder that tolkiens three obsessions were language, myth (which he pronounced maythe) and the english.

>>23158428
Coping how? Their dynamic is not particularly unique as you claim.

>>23158440
im not OP
take your meds

>>23158449
huh?

>>23158440
It is in the fantasy genre

>>23157989
I lost it at Floppin

>>23158459
Thats nothing
>No! Sauronman, how could you betray us to Sauron!"
>Borrowmir! How could you Frodo "borrow me" the ring?!
>Treebeard, you're a tree?! With a beard?!>Legolas, look at those legs go! He's running atop the snow, weight like a wee lass!

The whole thing is special because it's real and not telling you what to believe. It's just a history of the war of the ring from the regular person's point of view.

>>23158015
Found the movie-only person

>>23157984
Can't say for the two hobbits, but Gollum is very similar to Alberich from Wagner's Ring Cycle. A work that Tolkien clearly took some inspiration from.

>>23158228
Frodo's story is one of the hero being corrupted and defeated by evil but ultimately saved by grace and the strength of Sam. It is a story about perseverance in the face of evil more than any man could be expected to do, but a story about how no man can stand against evil alone.
Honestly all that's coming to mind offhand is Spencer's red cross knight who is explicitly granted victory by grace: despite being the only man bold enough to attempt the task, it cannot be done without god.

>>23158862
>Can't say for the two hobbits,
Don Quixote and Sancho Panza

>>23158896
How is Frodo anything like Don Quixote

>>23158904
>Both set off on an seemingly impossible task to conquer evil

>>23158914
Frodo sets off to give the ring to someone else. It is only at rivendell that he decides to take on the responsibility for what he ultimately knows is probably a slim hope of success. The plan was originally to hand it off to the elves and go back to the shire. Frodo's story is about accepting a responsibility that is by no means yours to bare.

>>23158914
You're quixotic because you're seeing shit that isn't there

>>23158926
He also has no illusions or ideals about his own personal heroism in the journey

Frodo is a boring character. The best character in the entire 1000 pages or whatever is Gollum. By far the best Tolkien creation (as far as characters go).

>>23158943
Frodo and Gollum are interlinked as characters. Gollum is Frodos shadow aspect, what he could become if he fell to corruption. That's their essential connection

it was based on tolkiens actual experience being harassed at a bus stop

>>23159021
Really? Similar to how Nabokov was improperly touched by his uncle and wrote several stories about either pædophilia or incest.

>>23158392
Frodo and Sam weren't lovers.

Frodo reminds me of Luke Skywalker but actually in a lesser fashion. They are heroes who actually lose at the climax. Frodo in the books is only "redeemed" involuntarily by Gollum biting off his finger and falling into the fires of Mount Doom whereas Luke realizes his fall to the dark side and redeems himself by laying down his lightsaber. Yes, I will see myself out for invoking Star Wars.

So did Sam suck Frodo's cock?

>>23157987
>you should completely disregard my opinion, but here is my opinion
Average (retarded) /lit/ poster ladies and gentlemen

>>23158378
>Frodo and Sam taken from Achilles and Patroclus
Did you faggots even read Homer

>>23157984
The voyage to the Underworld guided by a dark spirit to fulfil a sacred duty is literally, yes literally, the oldest trope there is.

>>23160701
no, just toes

>>23160961
That's a very broad stroke

>>23158378
Peak pseud right there.

>>23158943
Yeah, Frodo is kind of a whiny faggot. Not a likable character at all. Especially as he's so much older than the other hobbits, and should be setting an example.
>>23158959
>Gollum is Frodos shadow aspect
Gollum is Smeagol's shadow aspect FFS.

>>23160705
I am fairly retarded, yes.

>>23159054
Faggots gonna project. There's not stopping it.