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THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT DIVINATION

This is week 2 of your "Meditations on the Tarot" (MOTT) book club
The subject for this week is: THE MAGICIAN (pages 3 to 21)
If you haven't read it, you can do it now.

Next Saturday (April 27, 2024) the Arcana due is THE HIGH PRIESTESS (unless we have to stay at the magician's table) but you will be, of course, welcome to post any insights, notes, questions regarding the previously read materials.

1. I packed MOTT & books most relevant to it into a convenient 184MB archive
link: https://files.catbox.moe/0ubl85.zip
There is also two auxiliary archives:
2. Holy Texts (Catholic study Bible + Tanakh w/ Hebrew-English parallel text 163MB)
link: https://files.catbox.moe/8j0iyi.zip
3. Tarot related (histoical, occult, and professional investigations 187MB)
link: https://files.catbox.moe/3tjyjx.zip

>Good podcasts related to MOTT:
https://podtail.com/es/podcast/the-christian-mysticism-podcast/
https://shwep.net/podcast/ (the person is LGBT, but fortunately a professional so can successfully abstain 99.95% of the time)
>Good music to listen while reading MOTT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lS_Y-aNJwk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2Clq0rDR-w

>Archive:
Chapter 1 Week 1 : >>/lit/thread/23283755
note: that thread had a supposedly Christian janny start trolling, then gaslighting, then "take meds"... unfortunately she also deleted the thread while being sucked back into Hell thanks to the Name of Jesus Christ.

>Note:
Additional books are only to be discussed if relevant to the current (or previous) MOTT chapter we are discussing.

>> No.23307705

concentration without effort

>> No.23307853

>>23307705
Effortlessly performed, anon. You're going places.
The epigraphs are interesting, particularly the St. John of the Cross
>Into this happy night
>In secret, seen of none,
>Nor saw I aught,
>Without other light or guide,
>Save that which in my heart did burn.
Viewed as an extended metaphor for simply 'reading,' one cannot help but read with respect to one's own, mortal (one's heart is on fire after all) light.
I did not like how Tomberg broke the 'soul' and 'meditation' up into layers and levels respectively because it doesn't really jibe with my own experiences of thinking, prayer, concentration, meditation. It just seems arbitrary; I believe reads a little too much into what the cento very simply states.
I enjoyed the chapter immensely, otherwise.

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23308154

>>23307853
>broke the 'soul' and 'meditation' up into layers and levels respectively because it doesn't really jibe with my own experiences of thinking, prayer, concentration, meditation.
are you referring to the author delineating "concentration without effort" and "transform work into play"? it does not seem to be two levels but an "introverted" and "extraverted" aspect, the starting point here being the introverted one (ceremonial magic or occupations like weaving, masonry or carpentry probably start with the extraverted aspect)

>> No.23308272

>>23308154
No, focussing on the first few pages merely, where really, I believe, he's just trying to 'set the moods'
Right before the brief discussion on what Christian hermeticism is

>> No.23308276

>>23308272
*mood

>> No.23308407

>>23308272
>>23308276
but there is no word of meditation or soul in those first three pages?!

>> No.23308452

>>23308407
Just checked, top of page 4, and the word's not 'meditation' but contemplation. My text only begins at the very bottom of page 3. I get that he's trying to establish a mood, and does so rather successfully

>> No.23308467

>>23308452
oh yes, "set the mood" or as I like to say "align all the compasses"
it's much different from the technical use he applies later on
quite ironically MOTT is one of the few books I can read even while gypsies are making a racket outside a window (unfortunately an inevitable event)
>My text only begins at the very bottom of page 3.
yes, when I say "the first three pages" I mean the first three pages of the chapter: pages 3 4 5

>> No.23308590

on page 20 in the Schiller paragraph "intellectual consciousness" should instead read "intellectual conscientiousness"
in French they may indeed be the same word but in English one is a phenomenon while the other a personality trait that usually imposes the "heavy burdens of duties and of rules" the text talks about :3

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23309704

does anybody know any novels in which the main character fuses his conscious with his unconscious? preferably with respect to a certain occupation undertaken (and bonus points if it doesn't have dreams or visions or narration of the thoughts of characters... that's a cop-out)

>> No.23311521

Bump