/lit/ - Literature

>>23404628
Why would this be gay? I've slept right next to some of my male friends on a trip in the same tent and none of us were/are gay. Male friends can do outwardly gay-seeming things like that exactly because everybody knows that there is zero sexual tension between the men involved.

>>23404628
Nah. How much room on a ship? Where and how can you confide in someone aboard? And it's weird by most people's standards, but seamen, maybe marines? Public areas are a place on ships these days, so you'd do your talking there.

He's talking about Queeqweg as if they're an old married couple. It's an adorable contrast to the harsh conditions aboard.

>>23404628
Yes, but he still wrote some bangers.

>>23404628
>that passage.

I've heard at one point that straight men are emotionally attracted to men, but physically repulsed by men, and as a man I think I believe that.

I don't necessarily think we should be fucking each other in the ass, but men probably deserve, respect, and cherish each other, more than women ever will.

>>23405087
ding ding.

>>23404592
Just watched some fucked up anime man, I haven't myself but there's plenty there. Plus the usual movies across the world. Best video game I've ever played that's extremely transgressive is Pathologic 1 but I haven't played the sequel yet
I'm a big fan of bataille, but why the interest in finding these works? I'm not against transgression but watching/reading/playing something just because it's taboo is really boring to me.

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>>23404738
why no king in yellow?

>>23404738
>What if instead of a bad protagonist that thinks they're good... They know they're bad! They know they're a stinker!?
>And it has not only murder.... But pedophilia!
>"Yes, this is the most disturbing™ book ever made. No one's ever thought something this deranged and fucked up before!"
Props to bataille for at least going more out there

>>23405073
>>23404738
Okay I know I just posted this mocking the list and "taboo books", but I just read the summary of "blood and guts in highschool" and what the actual fuck? This sounds like the weirdest shit I've ever read, like it's aggressively trying to fuck with you with [X] happens and then [TTT] happens! I'm no anti intellectual, I fucking love "nostalgia" (tarkovsky) but this genuinely seems like some pseudo intellectual bullshit that's trying to seem smart

>>23404583
pretty good

>>23404583
are those Lincoln Park lyrics or sum?

>>23404583
Not super refined BUT, the emotions bleed through. Good little piece

offtopic. take your depressive whining to >>>/adv/

>>23404712
They have pretty significant influence on government and institutional policy, so the threat is pretty serious. The question is less about whether this exists and whether it’s a threat and is rather more about what to do. The 20th century German response was misguided. It’s important to understand such forces are able to act and gain influence because of an improper politic and not a weak immune system. Both classical philosophy and scientific thought can come up with answers but it’s the displacement of classical philosophy with scientific thinking is what leads one to treating people as if they were bacteria and not people. The solutions that science offers us we find instinctively repulsive because they are. It’s best to seek the solutions elsewhere, namely in the works of classical and premodern western philosophy in general rather than in some occult theories or scientific speculations.

>>23404857
>It’s best to seek the solutions elsewhere, namely in the works of classical and premodern western philosophy in general rather than in some occult theories or scientific speculations.
the intellectual life of the western world has been defined by jews for 2000 years.
You want a jew-free intellect, you go for the mayas or buddhism

>>23404544
The problem with your friend isn’t politics it’s this obsession of blaming a boogeyman for all his problems. Give him a self-help book like 12 Rules for Life.

>>23404544
Just read Philosophy of Right and discover how modern left and rightwing political positions are banal necessities of the structure and functioning of the bourgeois state.

>>23404544
Factfulness is half true half cringe but give it a try

>>23404638
>tfw have started brothers karamazov 3 times and given up 3 times.
help me /lit/

>>23404737
No. Processing speed is only a small component of intelligence. You are dumb.

> you read a book in 1 day
> I read a book in 2 days
> we can both have a meaningful discussion of the contents
Who cares?

>>23404804
Just take it easy, it's not a race. Internalize what you read, think about the dialogues and imagine the scenarios.

>>23404496
>Give it to me straight, am I retarded?

Being retarded is more to do with a lack of retention or understanding, see pic related.
If you take 1 month to read a book, but remember basically everything about it, you're infinitely smarter than a person who reads 4 in the same amount of time and remembers nothing.

ok, but why male models?

>>23404452
>Doesn't understand basic philosophical history

>>23404429
Bump.

>>23404429
Wtf this link is a virus don't clkxm on it

Not my problem.

>>23404415
it is your problem, actually. Like everything in this world, since it is all your thoughts. At least in your own understanding of this world.

>>23404409
IF the Neocon understanding = America as world hegemon, and that America's foreign policiy should have as its end the conversion of the world into liberal democracies, then those stances depart from Strauss, who tended to be isolationist leaning and totally skeptical of our ability to convert anyone else to democracy without their own prior tendency toward it (so he wouldn't have been surprised by how poorly the nation building projects of Iraq and Afghanistan turned out). The other thing is taking the wrong lesson from the Noble Lie in Plato's Republic, where Strauss sees just what Socrates says about it plainly on the surface, its use in getting the different classes to accept their roles and mot take advantage of each other, while some of the Neocons got a "you have to lie to the people to get away with doing things they don't know are for their own good" shtick. Neocons resemble Strauss's friend Kojeve more than Strauss.

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>>23405077
Somebody copied someone because their language in certain passages is almost identical. It's more likely that proclus is the plagiariest since the divine names were attested to earlier and many of the theodicy arguments appear across alexandria catechital school while they appear in pagan literature for the first time with proclus

>>23405097
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoplatonism

>>23405059
Lol, wrong, that para from Proclus (section 56, pg. 37 of the O'Neill translation) is the conclusion of an argument that relies on Plotinus (cf. page 36 up to the quoted lines on 37) who's relying on Plato.

>>23405100
They were not attested earlier.

But please, keep sharing, it gets funnier and funnier the more you lean on bad scholarship that you don't even know your way around.

>>23405084
Holy fuck anon, your source material is retarded. Literally just saying that since Proclus wasn't liked by Christians it's not possible he influenced Dionysius. LMAO how is this evidence? So I guess Plato isn't influential in Christianity because there were early Christian writers who wrote against him? Read some actual Patristics, bro: the early church was in huge competition with the pagan religions and shit on them endlessly trying to win converts. They saw Proclus as competition and wrote against him to try to sway people away from Neoplatonism.

>>23405116
>They saw Proclus as competition and wrote against him to try to sway people away from Neoplatonism.
not really, he was a retarded plagiarist doe
>>23405113
tell me more about how we have no surviving writings frrom any writers between the first and fifth centuries, I'm interested to see what gpt4o can't tell you

commie faggot

>>23404549
That’s nice. You seem to forget that I even give a shit, nerd.

>>23404568
you only prove my point
also, you care enough to respond

bump

Given the absence of any arguments here so far, I can assume he's pretty much right about everything then?

>>23405018
I have yet to see any argument made in this thread relevant to the book

Sounds like a recipe for looking back on your teenage years with shame
Also:
>affect

>>23404188
it's funny that you think you can decline to follow God without following the devil. there's no third path brother! it's one or the other.

>>23404210
Some obviously are if you met and talked with certain woman nowadays, the only nuance is that they want to be a sex object on their terms; I blame hollywood for their degeneracy. Fuck them.

>>23404177
He was okay but if trannies read him they might have turned out differently. Doesn't seem any different than what was being said at the time.
>entire chapter about jews

>>23404210
It isn't that far from reality given they own the uterus.

He was right about Jewishness being a state of mind.

>>23404177
He right but his reasoning is suspect

Inferno

>>23404239
>As an example you can read the book backwards starting from the last chapter, and it still works
I like the book but that aspect of it isn't really that incredible, considering that it's composed of short descriptions of imaginary cities

>>23404317
The chapters aren't random, and they're not detached from one another either.
You'll see a growing theme in whichever way you read the book.

>>23404239
Do you mean Bob sentences?

>>23404370
Nah, I mean the chapters have a flowing theme that's different depending on if you read from the first or from the last, not that the words are actual palindromes

>>23404203
Reading this now and as I read it I feel like I’m getting everything but I look up the chapter summary and I’m missing so much important stuff. I feel retarded. Still loving it but wow it’s too smart for me

>>23404027
Just get a real job and write fiction because you enjoy doing it. In the mean time try to meet people and get inside the world of literature as much as possible. AI is a sham creatively and if you really think you cannot compete against a robot then you should never write again.

>>23404027
Hope you're badly ESL if you think you can write.

Once the race war happens and the jews and niggers hang it will be a golden age. Give it 20 years tops.

>>23403977
Literature has been replaced by games. You are being a stubborn child by not exploring the beautiful, even deeper world of gaming, which is richer and more vivid than anything literature could have provided. You are just crying over the death of a primitive type of media and the only people who care about it are lame, old women, which is just like who you are, spiritually.

>>23404424
Why are you even here did you lost your way back home?