/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>7148029
you haven't even tried

>>7148030
I have

>>7148032
Bait thread but I'll indulge you
Let's see what skills I assume one would need to draw like this

Basic drawing skills
>how to hold a pencil
>how to draw with your arm

The human aspect
>basic knowledge of human anatomy
>basic knowledge of human proportions
>a good memory of human anatomy so you can draw it from imagination with correct proportions
>basic knowledge of clothes and folds
>how to draw a face
>how to draw hands and feet
>how to apply shadows on human forms

The animal aspect
>how to draw chicken feet
>how to draw scales
>how to apply shadows to scales
>how to draw feathers
>how to crosshatch over feathers
>how to show the form under feathers

Tools
>how to hold a nib
>how to draw with a nib
>how to crosshatch with a nib

Roof
>how to draw a tiled roof
>how to apply shadows to a tiled roof

Go out there and try to learn
See you in a few months when you complain about not knowing what to do after being told repeatedly what to do

>>7148032
You haven't even tried. You're shit and probably only draw once a week.

>>7148032
You will get there eventually. Keep at it and don't stop. OP Picrel is very achievable but work on your own thing first with no style in mind (for now).

>>7148029
you wont photobash some 3d models from clip studio together? the horror. the horror.

hire assistants

>>7148029
theres nothing special to it though its just hatching dont give up anon

>>7148096
bait or mental retardation

What kind of bizarro land do you come from? In what world is drawing like Kui easy? Do you really think she learned to draw like that in a few months?

What did the animator mean by this?

>>7148029
The issue is another one, that you could reach that level but just drawing that single page would take you weeks, while these guys pump them out daily.
That's where the big thing about/ic/ refusing the existence of talent crashes down: its not a matter of output, it's a matter of how much energy you have left after
This people is worlds apart from us, but not because of any technical bullshit you can conjure, appeal, asian genes, whatever, it's because in their brain this is just a pixel of the finished four dimensional work that is a whole fucking manga series. And this shit man, this isn't something you can learn from tutorials on internet or giving a thousand bucks to some boomer that only got lucky and became big studio art designer because twenty years ago nobody had the money for a tablet, this is something that you can exclusively find inside your own fucking brain, with the added difficulty that when you start noticing "wow I could never do that" it's already too fucking late

>>7148211
they literally have assistants that draw half the stuff you see

>>7148195
Motorboat

>>7148218
people keep saying this like its a gotcha - well you can't draw as well as the assistants either.

>>7148029
Same
I'll never be able to draw or animate as well as speedoru and it depresses me

>>7148232
Except that reply was to someone saying that Kui's productivity comes from being talented when in reality she has an entire team of people working with her

>>7148029
That perspective is fucked. Guy started drawing a chicken, googled a chicken wing that was in another angle, and then pasted his characters where the chicken head go. You can absolutely draw like this without doing any effort.

>>7148218
I always assume that unless it's confirmed they don't use assistants

>>7148256
It's the opposite for manga. Unless confirmed otherwise, all mangaka use assistants, usually three or four. The dragon ball guy was considered remarkable for only having two.

>>7148233
lmao

>>7148243
>guy
the artist is a girl

try drawing it, and you'll know how far you are truly off. You might be suprised how accurate you can copy a reference

>>7148263
What's so funny?

>>7148029
The animators can do it so you can too OP.

>>7148260
>all mangaka use assistants, usually three or four
Hiroya Oku had double that number.

>>7148211
You say that but knowing that you have more pages to draw allows you to just focus on getting it done. It's a job, and you can treat it like a job. Doesn't mean it's no sweat. Like any job, it's really tiring.
You're only seeing the end result, not the blood and sweat and tears put into it nor whatever fatigue the artist feels during and after the process. How do you know they're not agonizing over every page, worrying it's not good enough or that they messed up the values or that they're not going to have the time for the next 6 pages in the chapter or whatever? You don't, but it's not like authors are some magical ironmen born without the ability to feel uncertainty or tire.
And the ability to keep trucking along with the job is something you learn over time. I was the same, I couldn't understand how they manage to make something that looks anything like that every single day for years. But over time I improved, became more accustomed to the pain and was able to continue drawing despite it. Even now after going pro I can feel that there's plenty of room for growth in this regard.

>>7148218
His mental fatigue point stands though. Assistants do the grunt work, actually inking the backgrounds or applying the tones. The author still has to figure out what it should look like and how to communicate that to the assistants instead of just drawing it themselves. It's a time-saving measure, not something that will spare them effort or energy. Take it from somebody who has done it, it's not any less exhausting with assistants.

>>7148029
this is now a chimera thread
take random animals and sktech your own falin-chimera

>>7148485
sounds like fun!

>>7148438
Didn't read everything sorry, but my main point was the mental fatigue
You probably have made good points but I'm biased by being way, way too fucking down lately. So you're probably at least 50% right

>>7148029
Just try to.

>>7148029
Art style of people who can't paint.
>muh crosshatching
Kek

>>7148567
The artist can paint circles around 100% of this thread and basically you are gay. Click here to kill yourself.

>>7148029
draw an anime girl
draw wings
draw chickens
draw dragons
draw bricks

>>7148211
>while these guys pump them out daily.
Wasnt Dungeon Meshi monthly or bi monthly? It doesnt change that much the fact that Kui is talented/proficient as fuck, but to say "daily" is a massive overestimation and you are unjustly putting her on a pedestal just to make her look unreachable.

>>7148029
this exact design was stolen from another artist, though?

>>7148587
coloring =/= painting

>>7148485
Tails gets trolled ain't got nothing on me

>>7148608
That's clearly ink + watercolor. Such sour rapes.

>>7148596
NTA
It was monthly, and even a monthly serialization requires finishing pages daily. Even if it's just a 25 page chapter, factor in the time it takes to storyboard it and you're still needing to complete an average of 1 page a day. It's really not a "massive overestimation" nor is it "unjustly putting someone on a pedestal" to look up to that. I certainly don't think it's unreachable though.
I'm not serialized but I am a pro manga author and even drawing all day every day I'm only finishing 2 pages every 3 days or so. It's a bit higher level of polish (not to say I'm as skilled as someone like Kui though) and I'm drawing it on my own and in the end it'll still take me 3-4 months to draw a 50 page chapter. Compare that to the 1 month for a 25-30 page chapter of Dungeon Meshi and you can see that monthly authors are hardly slacking, they're just not pulling off the borderline superhuman shit that weekly authors do. And for the record there are monthly authors that put out chapters that are upwards of 60 pages (eg Doubutsu no Kuni), which certainly is very impressive.

rejected chimera #2: crayfish-spider-mosquito

yo hol up, white girl..........DOG

>>7148236
Monthly mangaka tend to have less assistants

>>7148029
manga makes me laugh sometimes, you get these fairly detailed realistic line drawings that look great and then the characters all have no detail anime faces. I mean i get it, they make for attractive characters but the juxtaposition of realism and anime really throws the aesthetics off and that makes me laugh

>>7148784
I agree lol, there are very few who can make it work somehow.

Learn construction OP
Perspective and simple shapes and shit

>>7148680
Stop being ungovernable goddammit

>>7148784
>>7148785
That is very detailed by manga standards, she has a nose.
Neither of you draw though.

Dunning-kruger containment thread

>>7148784
yeah they need to look like this

simple is good too: the horse-scorpion chimera

>>7148877
>>7148941
can't be critical of what you like huh?

>>7148784
Because no one wants to see it, it looks better without it
Might as well complain they don't draw nose hairs and veins and cellulose

>>7148991
Not them but it's not even an accurate observation. A large part of that entire drawing is simplified, not just the face. It's a consistent visual logic.

>>7148991
when the criticism is fucking stupid, yes, you can't

>>7149000
oh it is? thats funny, i dont see any hatching or tones in the faces.

>>7148211
> it's a matter of how much energy you have left after

Fix your diet

>>7149004
What's funny about it? They're tiny on the page, and wouldn't be in harsh shadow anyway. It would be more distracting if they were more detailed, for the same reason this area isn't heavily detailed either.
Besides that, you're basically saying "hmmm isn't it funny that cartoons are cartoonish? veeeery interesting". Water is wet.

>>7149004
You know what I find funny? That people used to say that anime faces were shitty because they had exaggerated expressions and simple forms. Then you go and read comics and it is so clear the faces were made using an over the top reference, in comics the characters make the goofiest faces ever, literally no one realistically makes these faces while talking. Plus, no one wants to see visual pollution

I like how he draws the lion demon especially in the few last volumes.

>>7148029
the fuck is this nonsense

>>7149017
It's a story about eating good food with friends. Allegedly

>>7149016
>he

stop it already it is a woman

People clown on anime faces but think this is good

>>7149011
aside from your lack of reading comprehension about my criticism, the example you posted just disproves your point. it has hatching and tones, giving it a higher detail than the faces... >>7148973 is a consistent style, not the OPs image

I wonder why demon slayer outsold the entire comic industry

>>7149023
>jew made amerimutt propangda is ugly
very surprising

>>7149027
Meanwhile

>>7149024
why is it so hard for you to understand that

>detailed monster = cool
>detailed face = uncanny and ugly

>>7149034
because that argument isnt true?

>>7149019
nope. he's a man. I read his interview and he's trying hard to cover the masc side by being female persona

>>7149040
disingenuous

>>7149040
now show a girls face

>>7149040
It's the same as >>7149032
With a bit if texture added on top
Stylized and simplified
Nobody wants to spend money on pictures of exagerated chimpanzee new york subway attack expressions

He draws efficiently by dropping details and implies the facial feature with minimal strokes to draw.

>>7149062
>Stylized and simplified
yes and they both have consistent visual language. unlike >>7148029 with heads that do not match the rest of the drawing. if there was hatching or some tones in the faces they probably would fit in just fine

>>7149070
Ok, enough is enough, pyw.

>>7149059

>>7149074
Why did you post a completely different artist, worm?

>>7148485
now with a shitty background

>>7149009
And exercise

>>7148596
With some exceptions, the monthly or bimonthly series usually compensate by having more pages, like 30-40 instead of 10-15.

>>7149295
Don't move goalposts, your argument was detailed faces look bad, not "Miura-style detailed female faces look bad"

>>7149074
that looks like shit and isn't "detailed" adding a bit of hatching doesn't make something detailed you nog and the eyes literally look like their drawn onto a mannequin with a fucking marker
if somebody else would post a face with eyes like that you retards would call it symbol drawing
/ic/ weebs literally have the shittiest of shit tastes

>>7150078
post your fucking work

>>7150087
how about you post yours you fucking braindead weeb
show me some of those symbol drawn gaynime eyes you shit taste having fucking homo

>>7148029
How can an artist be proficient enough at drawing a bird with shading, yet utterly atrocious when it comes to hands, faces, boobs, perspective and uses a fill tool for shading in general.
The odd usage of a straight line tool and the white brick building's "quality", especially at the top right, is rather inconsistent too.

Could it be that this "artist" has lifted a number of works and drawn over them?
>>7148587
Similar to here, but all you notice on this is a difference in art style. Why the cartoonish characters in a properly drawn world and next to a properly drawn creature? Though the lion's eyes are offputting.
>>7149074
Linework here is terrible. Just look at the hands. Is it even the same artist shading it? And some of the shading is layered, some of it is flat, both with hatching. Why?

>>7150220
crab

>>7150223
bucket

>>7149040
miura, famously someone who never drew cutesy cartoon faces lol

>>7148587
I clicked, why isn't it working?

>>7148029
don't set the bar too low. this artist is, undoubtedly, VERY skilled but learning how to look at a piece and break down how you would go about making something similar or recreating it is how you get better!
>>7148048
pretty much this. also how to use screentones.
the roof tile is probably a texture more than likely

>>7150220
you sure wrote a lot for someone who doesnt have a point

>>7150226
so? that has nothing to do with the argument made.

>>7150098
you have to be 18 to post here kid

>>7150259
there is no argument being made

>>7150220
This thread is really bringing in the nodraws

>>7148032
This is your attempt at drawing the chimera on the OP? You are missing a leg at least.

Just draw, who cares

>>7152274
Some of us weren't born with that ability.

>>7152476
if you can type, you can draw

>>7148485
Haven't colored this yet but here's a boob Chimera with more muscle.