/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>7148269
Why?

Practice like 10mins everyday

>>7148262
Yes yes, I'm clearly talking about digital art there, ya smart ass.

>>7148283
is this /s?

>>7148210
their parents are probably artists or have access to art mentors

>>7148100
>a perspective autist like this?
Is that really that complicated for you?
Do you even want to learn or what
People are so lazy
Krenz method is actually pretty fucking simple, it's like a hack basically

>>7148100
>I have like 50 gigs of Krenz courses from the video course thread, and I'm wondering if I should even bother seriously studying this crap, or if I should just move on and draw what I like.

>50 gigs

How did you download that and end up not using any of it? Yes you should seriously study perspective because it helps you draw what you like even better than before. Anyone that can "Feel it out" can do so because they've sudied perspective at a deep enough level to do so and not have it look off.

The pic you posted is just basic perspective stuff

>>7148100
>or if I should just move on and draw what I like.
You should always be drawing what you like. Angle control is a skill that's meant to help you do that, you can just practice these skills with the things that you like to draw.

>>7148100
The most important thing is to figure what kind of person you are.

Are you a flaming faggot who doesn't care about drawing like shit, don't care about criticism and your art consists on drawing dicks on cartoon characters? Then you don't need perspective.

Are you a self-hating autist who shits on your own skills and could only be satisfied by producing great work? Then learning perspective is a must.

Assuming you are the latter, you will have a hard time finding a way to learn properly. Youtube is full of shit artists of the first kind, you have to find a Formal perspective series or pay a course online.

Learning perspective helps you develop intuition to imagine 3D spaces for drawing freehand. During your journey take your own notes on ratios for things in reference angles. For example a front facing perfect cube can be drawn by drawing a square and at the center of it another square that is 3/5 of the length of the larger one.

>>7148100
Perspective is the most important art fundamental, it's followed closely by Form.

>>7148076
Ngl this looks so easy to do. And I don't mean doing it properly, I mean the way he did it. Most of the elements here don't fully rotate, while some rotate too much like the cuffs and the belt. The ground and the hands do a good job of selling g some rotation, but there still some iff. I can't wait to see the artist do this better in the future

>>7148076
>>7141858

>>7148085
He's not foreshortening her upper body, not even a tiny bit. That subtle detail would make the rotation effect to work correctly.

>>7148093
That's absolutely true. The chest is so telling he just pulled the boobs downward then exaggerated the rotation on the bow. You can tell he really tried with the face tho, but at the downward peak he went too far with the head

>>7148243
>guy
the artist is a girl

try drawing it, and you'll know how far you are truly off. You might be suprised how accurate you can copy a reference

>>7148263
What's so funny?

>>7148029
The animators can do it so you can too OP.

>>7148260
>all mangaka use assistants, usually three or four
Hiroya Oku had double that number.

Lack of detail, crooked horizon line, no clouds

>>7147997
>crooked horizon line, no clouds
Uneven grounds, and cloudless skies exist.

>>7147997
The best way would be to pull up one of their backgrounds and try to copy it. Right now your picture lacks depth, so it looks like I'm staring at a very close inclined hill. If that's the goal, great job. If not, you can add depth by fixing these things:

1. The color green at the top of your field and at the bottom are the same. As the field gets further away from us, it will get much lighter.
2. You have detail all throughout the field. We should see a lot of detail guiding our eyes in the front, a bit of detail in the middle, and depending on how far you wanna push the field out you can just use completely flat colors in the back. Seeing individual blades of grass on the horizon is bringing it way too close to us.
3. There's not a lot of contrast in the grass shadows. As grass gets closer to us it usually has some pretty deep shadows that appear. You do have a bit of those shadowed blades of grass, I'd push it further. These shadows give you interesting opportunities for appealing shapes.
4. You're building your field with round, puffy hills and blended shadows. These won't really be visible as they get further away. Broad patches of grass will get flatter, and tend to join in triangular shapes. Really pay attention to how small and thin most of the shapes get as they get further away.

You can see all of these things in this picture. Look up more Ghibli pictures to see these things in action, and look up real fields too. Even real fields will have all of these things.

>>7147997
pixiv has a nice series of videos on backgrounds
for example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKK1t8-3Aow

Fucked up perspective

>>7147992
The furry killer design is really good!

>>7147992
post this in /fag

>>7147992
Awesome furry killer who is his nemesis?

>>7147957
>hollywood and big studios are firing AI prompters and hiring artists back again. The reason? They can't produce the same quality of work that real artists can, they don't take critique well at all (are very thin-skinned) They can't reproduce works in a same general style that real artists can, etc. the list goes on and on.
In China they're doing the same thing but the reason is different. Chinese Artists are cheaper than AI specially because they don't have the tech since Muricans put a buying limit on China.

>>7148286
>NTA
I think the other anon mean that God is an artist if you think about it. He paints real life using fundies like perspective, anatomy, coloring, etc.
If you think about it, artists are 2D Gods.

>>7148314
>If you think about it, artists are 2D Gods.
2D Animators are even closer to a 2D God.

>>7148315
>2D Animators are even closer to a 2D God.
They're illusionist,s not Gods.

>>7147957
>hollywood and big studios are firing AI prompters and hiring artists back again.
I don't believe this ever actually happened. Show me an instance of where an actual studio hire "prompters".

>>7147807
dogshit
drawing is my passion
mid
Lets crash the shonen genre with no survivors
Feminine shonen
shojonen
Making Kubo look good
wont clean my lines
trash bonanza

Why do you keep making this thread? Such questions are completely pointless time wasters and these threads are just bait. Go draw for pete's sake.

>>7147807
its traced 3d models

>>7147807
the "not moe style"
normies think moe is cringe, so this resonates with them

>>7147807
They will milk the narutard market till is nothing left of it. Just like we do with capeshit in america.

>>7148095
picrel might help show why finding the MP is a simple matter of transferring the SP-VP distance to the HL

>>7148095
>>7148121
I think I get it now. So they make similar triangles. The triangle I make from the station point will have a similar counterpart on the plane. Since I am forming an arc that will have a consistent radius, the radius that I choose will have the chosen length when it intersects with the VP line.

The importance of drawing the MP arc from the station point is to keep the relationship between that VP to the rest, right?

>>7148143
if you have a drafting compass then an arc/circle is just a convenient way to copy lengths while explicitly indicating the relationship. strictly speaking its not necessary, but might be helpful to not confuse yourself while you are constructing.

>>7148006
Eric Olsen's lectures
What he's basically saying is the only way to learn things in depth is to pay for it, right?

>>7148157
no, you can find the same information in other sources
https://www.youtube.com/@trustyourperspective/videos

>>7147864
>this is the fate of all who are obsessed with coom
>Man, i am not shocked.

I would say pic related is more the fate. Worship and "perversion" of the ideal. Worship of Perversion.

>Aren't you jewish btw?

Yeah. Well yes and no, my mother is not. My father is. I'm not considered Jewish by the Chosen people for this reason. I'm not terribly bitter about it, but this kid was full jewish and was legitimately a good friend of man and considered full blooded jewish because he had a Bar mitzvah.
I respect Judiasm and even tried to fuck with converting to Orthodox Christianity, I have faith, I just don't believe there is a god so >>7147781 it would all feel too phony.

>>7147798
>>7147784
You mean, what a lack of fear of hell does to a motherfucker?
>Quick Russian Lesson : (pic related)
I don't believe a mortal can totally perceive the One without going insane.
Don't go moral high grounding me. I've read revelations and some of the new testament.
In fact, I consider the following passages to be the earliest form of recorded reiki:
25 When Jesus saw that a crowd was running to the scene, he rebuked the impure spirit. “You deaf and mute spirit,” he said, “I command you, come out of him and never enter him again.”
It's power is lost in the english translation but in russian I felt it.

дyх бeз вид и cлyх виды из мeня

дyх...SPIRIT...бeз...WITHOUT.. вид...SIGHT...и...AND...cлyх...SOUND...виды...EXIT...из...OUT...мeня...ME

Chills. Definitely the fact that the very words of Christ means he single-handley binded all his schizophrenia induced by the (3 years in the desert) He curses the fig tree because he probably survived off them in the desert, and once attaining (what he percieved as) union with the Almighty, Avatar in human form, he could essentially command and bind white magicka to his very speech, hence the WORD is the LORD and the WORD is GOD.

To see a full grown, affable, jewish carpenter figuring out how to heal lepresy with primitive weed oils, isnt genius, its fucking history documentated, and must have rocked everyone socially at the time.

That's the Jesus I aspire to, to heal the /ic/, bring me your schizos, and say, I shall heal them.

>>7147948

>bring me your schizos

uhhhh, anon...

>>7147966
kekaroo

>>7147745
if you collect a thousand pictures for refs, and then start a project, you will constantly look for the perfect refs, and get frustrated for not finding it. Instead, when you dont have a project to work on, use your refs, if you collect them, to redraw then.

Some parts from the ref will remain in your brain, and you will be able to pull them when you need on a current project. Like an AI which used a thousand pictures to learn, and when its time to draw it mashes them up into something new,

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go out of your comfort zone, draw cars, flowers, architectures, statues, furniture, trees, rocks. Everything will teach you something new, and when you will return to your comfort zone, what you learned will help you pass any current stagnations.

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any line you draw from your ref, imagine going towards infinite, both ends. It will help you see easier the angle, see if its aligned with anything, and you will be able to use that something to put it into space, and, by making the line longer than it actually is, it will come more beautiful, straight, have better line weight
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box in inside a box anything you are drawing, The upper, lower, rightest, and leftest parts of it will show the size of the box. Use the box for seeing negatives spaces, see where your infinite lines connect to the box, and use those 2 techniques in combination to correctly construct your ref

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use the box and infinite lines techniques for breaking down all your refs, after a while, when drawing from imagination, you will be able to use those same techniques to make something on your own. If you dont have an idea to start from, draw a box and divide it with infinite lines a few times, and the go from there. An horizontal lines on the upper part of the square can be the horizontal line from somebody looking down, an inclined line can be the center line of a figure in motion, and depending where you place it on the square, you can have different effects

Yeah. Stuff like color theory or drapery or general anatomy has always felt pretty intuitive to me, perhaps because they require less precision. For similar reasons I think cooking is way easier than baking.
These days, I can sort of deal with perspective for landscapes, since those are more conducive to eye-balling. But urban settings? Interiors? Mechanical things? It's over for me

>>7147698
Try redrawing environments of movie/tv screenshots instead of normal photos

>>7147698
disregard perspective
aquire shape language

>>7147698
Luckily we live in the future, so just use an accessible 3d program to quickly block-out your scenes to use as a guide, rather than drawing them. Is google sketchup still a thing? I think that was the easiest 3D program out there, but there's always blender - you don't really need to know more than just moving around cubes and making the most basic of shapes, because you're only making yourself a guide, and not something to trace over.

>>7147698
its normal. think about the average person who doesn't draw and ask them to draw a full perspective scene. They couldn't do it. No human can just imagine full perspective, we're all imagining things as abstract shapes and descriptions. You have to actually train to think in 3D which is why drawing is so hard.

Even pro artists that seem to be able to draw perspective without rulers and shit, are just REDRAWING THINGS THEY DREW BEFORE. They are experienced in drawing many angle and perspectives, so they are pulling from their memory, which technically is not really building the perspective from scratch.

>>7147668
I think it's more of a value and lighting issue, rather than the colors being bad.
Added a light source on the left and also made the background brighter and the characters darker.

>>7147668
Are these two stand users?

>>7147673
>Interracial lesbians
naw, interracial lesbians are not woke at this point. to be an 'activist' it would have to be a trans furry they-them otherkin or something.
straight guys love hot lesbians, which is why it's not woke anymore.

>>7148178
Then you woke up

>>7148235
>Then you woke up
woke up from what? thinking lesbians are hot? i never woke up form that (maybe woke up from many a hot lesbian dream).
men have long been turned on by lesbians. hell, boomer porn from the 70s has lesbians. it's conservative at this point.

>>7147631
No, ugly.

>>7147631
Two fausand eight???

>>7147631
ill start shes wearing her underwear in this 1
Vanessa P. (Abby Winters)
http://www.nude-beauty.net/archive/abbywinters/v/vanessa-p/01/?page=abbywinters/v/vanessa-p/01

>>7147601
Maybe you're one of the few people who have legit aphantasia.

>>7147601
>things you are not seen it?
The grammar bot sucks I meant
>things you aren't seeing?

>>7147632
Maybe, I cannot retain semi-complex images In my mind for more than a couple seconds.

as a young autistic 6 year old I would put a paper over a book cover and trace the art over and over again.

later, when tracing again, I had an epiphany. A truly spiritual moment that made drawing click.

you don't actually have to copy it exactly. If the arm is pointing up, you could turn the paper and make it point at a different angle, you can mirror an element in a different position by turning the paper over, you can even scale up or down an element by staying a certain distance from the real lines.

there are infinite permutations of the thing you study, it only takes a little creativity to realize.

After two dozen traces, I would draw the art on my own. I can't draw the exact picture again, because it's gone from visual memory. But I do remember the composition, the content and also the lessons I learned from studying it, this hasn't left me in over 20 years.

>>7147647
I can at best just copy stuff, I have no idea how to make something I am not seeing. And only clear cut flat stuff like cartoons, realistic things like Anime are too complex I get lost, the angles are wrong things are different sizes and it ends up deformed and skewed.

>>7147601
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>>7147653
daily reminder that this schizophrenic faggot blog posts like this constantly. He isn't looking for advice, he just wants to complain schizophrenically. He will track you down and hack your paypal if you reply to him, so don't do it.

>>7147846
i present to you sunk-cost fallacy of one who spent too much on his screen tablet

>>7147961
>3
you’re blind or stupid?

>>7147773
Drawing with a mouse hurts my wrist. I used to draw with vectors in ms paint but that hurts my wrist too. After I resorted to drawing on paper I gained a lot, but I also couldn't go back to drawing with vectors because it was too slow now. And yet I feel compelled to draw digital art. When I make enough money I'll buy wacom, I don't even care if it breaks after one hour of usage. I need to feel it under my hand before I die at least once. I need to know what it feels like to make those smooth lines and brilliant colors

>>7148066
Blind, since I'm not seeing any of your works.

>>7147977
I use the Kamvas Pro 16 and haven't had any issues with it besides the cable they give you being short as fuck. So I'd vouch for the Kamvas Pro 13 as I imagine it's the same tablet just smaller.

Posting recent artwork done on my tablet to spite the OP and summon his ass to make some dumbass reply.

>>7147512
saar her toes are growing out of the side of her foot and her nails are melting and inconsistent

>>7147696
>present in large number or quantities, plentiful
>considered capable of achieving a goal
try again, aaron gonzales bukowski

>>7147533
Kairunoburogu. it is quite literally a shittier version of his art.

>>7147696
this is the weirdest "evidence" of esl I've ever seen, are you an offended bot or a Twitter slop shoveler?

>>7147533
ratatatat74, J.K., blushyspicy, yd orange maru, and pantsu-ripper. 100% certain because I have the prompt.
>>7147723
Nope, no Kyle. If he was included in the artist mix, the girl would be pudgier, have thicker joints, and have the characteristic Kyle face.

>>7147691
you're theologically weak and all you know is latching on to existing traditions, turning them into a LARP so it may be not so obvious that you're an asshole. It's obvious in your misuse of tolkien's words and your hillbilly church

>>7147327
>literally just a rainbow
>ew gross so ugly
Quit trying so hard to be such a faggot about it

>>7147327
It’s a a biblical reference. Like sodomy.

>>7147731
It’s like you never seen a real rainbow in nature and instead only know this ugly simulacrum.

>>7147702
hating God and christians doesnt make you special
anyways, gl in life

>>7147297
you typed this with one hand

>>7147302
yeah I'm eating soup

>>7147236
Getting banned from the worst site on the internet means you're on the right side.

>>7147304
you didnt even wash your hands before eating

>>7147236
Rip king
Retards treating art like real life should be gassed gor humanity's sake.