/diy/ - Do It Yourself

The most expensive one on the shelf. You don’t want your fellow /diy/ autists to think you’re poor, right? Same goes for the hillbilly working next to you. No need to make yourself a target or abuse.

Oh look this thread AGAIN...

Parkside

>>2702320
This. Parkside is cheap as shit. 60-80% of the performance and reliability of the big brands (Makita, Milwaukee,Dewalt), for 30% the price.

This thread's been up for two solid hours now. Where the fuck are the namefags?

>>2702353
It's the middle of a school day

I'm glad there's always a thread available to contain the tool brand simps.

>>2702311
More than half of those can be eliminated right off the bat as meme brands. Among real brands dewalt is pretty good. Milwaukee is cool if youre into gay sex

>>2702366
>Among real brands dewalt is pretty good
Adding to that, the quality of their tools (while already fairly decent before) has taken quite an upturn since they started moving manufacturing from China to India.

>>2702353
See >>2702358

I’m watching a 45min training video narrated by Prakresh from Tech Support.

>>2702311
Only one of those stands behind their product with a Lifetime Service Agreement.

>>2702311
If you care about only buying one tool brand, literally just buy Ryobi, or whatever other brand has the most amount of tools. Even if the Ryobi tools shit the bed, you can just stock up during the cheap sales they do, and then have a ton of batteries from all the kit sales.

This is assuming you're not a tradie using your tools all day, every day to earn a living.

They're all exactly the same on the inside. They just put different colors and shapes on the outside for marketing purposes, and clearly, it works. They all come from the same factories. There is literally zero functional difference between them. So, just get whatever shape feels best in your hand, that's all that really matters.

>>2702358
Of course. It makes sense they'd be lurking around the playground waiting for a chance to snatch up some minors.

>>2702375
Thats wrong, theres a huge difference in electronics quality between a real tool and a meme tool. And if you were capable of fixing the shit tools when they loose some solder or short out you wouldnt be making this dumbass post.

>>2702311
I have mostly DeWalt power tools: impact driver, multitool, orbital sander, drill, router, etc.
All of my hand tools are Milwaukee. Plus the 12c mini 6" chainsaw/pruning saw. Even the drill bits.
Dewalt power tools themselves are great, not a fan of the hand tools or power tool accessories.

Dewalt: Solid, Reliable power tools. Buy it NEW/Sealed on OfferUp OR try to find at a Non Retail spot. Save a bunch.

Milwaukee: Always feels better made, more premium(to me). Never had an issue.

>>2702311
>What has the best value to durability ratio?
to do that one would have to buy and use ALL the brands.

just buy makita.

>>2702402
>just buy Makita
>the tools with the high pricing of milwaukee but worse performance and shit availability in the states

Worst advice itt because I haven’t seem Bosch shilled yet.

There was some sperg on YT who made a comment that Makita is 8 years behind the other brands. He’s right but he didn’t mention the retardation of their battery systems and how they had to do 36V and 40V tools because the kneecapped themselves and will never make 18V batteries with 21700 cells. And now the 40V tools are a bunch of overpriced shit with the performance of 18V tools, and your expensive 40V batteries won’t work on any of the 18V tools even though they could’ve easily made them compatible like DeWalt Flexvolt.

>>2702311
Anyone who cares about this shit is a gay retarded nigger faggot, essentially designer bags for ‘men’.

>>2702405
makita is the only batteries out there that have a cut off voltage built in. I have tools that are over 13 years old. same for the batteries and still good.
I used to have the original makita drill and only got rid of it, because nicad batteries are shit.

also there are tons of knock off makita tools.

makita is best cordless tool.

Depends, do you like red plastic, yellow plastic, or blue plastic? You're paying for the color and the brand name. The mechanisms inside are all the same design doing the same thing made at some random location in China

>>2702408
You know they have the same cells as other tools, right? Lithium batteries in power tools last a ton of cycles and years with weekender use.

And you’re mistaken and your praise of Makita is actually to their detriment. Pretty sure Makita isn’t the only one with undervolt protection built in. Makita, however, is the only brand that has an undervoltage protection that will perma-brick your pack because Makita is retarded with their batteries. Any other pack with undervoltage protection in the pack will refuse to chage when it’s too low, but you actually have a chance to revive them with a power supply.

Also the knockoff makita tools isn’t a good thing. If you want to use cheap Chinese knockoff tools, then go with those, don’t pay stupid high prices for Makita that performs worse and offers less than Milwaukee or DeWalt. There’s no good objective reason to buy Makita in the US over the other brands.

>>2702406
I like Orange because you can see it from far away.

>>2702371
> Lifetime Service Agreement
“Lifetime† Service‡ Agreement*”
—Pedro Gonzales (guy we got off the street 20 minutes ago) because someone had to say those words legally before we could print that.

>>2702445

I have already gotten 2 battery replacements, no issues

>>2702429
everything you said is wrong. I have makita and you are wrong.

>>2702408
Ryobi and Ridgid still do voltage cutoff in the battery as they were originally ni-cad designs and need them to keep legacy compatibility with their 1990s 18v tools. My 2001 8" ryobi miter saw was probably a meme with ni-cad...with the modern 9ah li-ion it is a beast.

>>2702429
I still have Makita because their subcompact stuff fits in a briefcase and I like using their weird tools like the coffee maker, air duster the size of a drill and tea kettle. Work sometimes sends me to places with no services for 50 miles, the kettle is nice for that. The duster is a replacement for canned air. Already saved $100 just this year not buying cans.

>>2702430
False.
Eyes are most sensitive to 554nm which is a yellow-green color.
What is better than that? *neon* yellow-green. That’s what.
Since (as attested) far range visibility is the most important criteria for buying anything—especially power tools—you pretty much need to buy Ryobi.
…the new Ryobæ not the old dark blue ones.

Oh, and Ridgid and Ryobi are totally made in separate factories. Except for all the parts and assembly.

I like Ridgid, it just seems they mostly appeal to construction types so you don't get household stuff like a dual action polisher for auto detailing. Lifetime warranty too.

These days I'm finding less of a need for 18v shit tho. I like my Ridgid when I need stuff beyond 12V Milwaukee

>>2702498
You dust off pumpjacks with canned air after having tea? Interesting.

>>2702498
>air duster the size of a drill
how is that thing? you use it for work or something?

>>2702371
It's not called Lifetime Service Agreement anymore.

>>2702532
>>2702529
No I don't do that. I get paid to put in test holes for temp probes in pavement. You drill with a dust extractor but you still got dust at the bottom to blast out before filling with oil and testing. The oil gets the perfect pavement temp for each layer. You use the test as a correction factor for a truck that drops a hammer on pavement to measure deflection, which measures strength of both pavement, its base and the soil below. You then decide if you need to maintain, rehab or rebuild the road. The duster I use every day at home or work...again it replaces canned air. It is really useful for drying dishes and HEPA filters after washing them. I do drink tea.

Concrete: Bosch, Hilti
Electrician/plumber/mechanic: Milwaukee
Carpenter: DeWalt
Everything but shittily: Ryobi

>>2702597
>Everything butt shittily: Ryobi
Fify.

>>2702550
Yes it is.

>>2702449
Nope

>>2702508
I know for one of the jigsaws, the Ryobi HP was like exactly the same as the previous gen Ridgid. Which sort of happens with Milwaukee and Ridgid too, the cheaper brand gets the more expensive brand’s tech 2 years later. On that torktest channel, they took the hammer mechanism out of the Milwaukee 1/2” impact and it went straigjt into the brand new Ridgid 1/2”, the Milwaukee one was a couple grams heavier to give it slightly more power for the extra $100. Certain Ridgid is 2 year old Milwaukee for less, certain Ryobi is 2 year old Ridgid for less.

>>2702636
There’s just anon who wants to disagree with everything I posted even though he has been wrong about everything. See >>2702449 completely incorrect.

Makita, HiKoki or Milwaukee.

Festool ( and vacs) 240v for hand concrete grinding

>>2702643
>Which sort of happens with Milwaukee and Ridgid too
Are the batteries identical too, or are they different in software or have some sort of plastic key that prevents them from meshing together?

I was watching those videos about how the battery and tool comms protocols work for Milwaukee, looks like the tool-to-battery comms are really simple but the charger-to-battery comms are more involved. All I want is to be able to make custom tools and custom power sources for existing tools, maybe to charge the tools at the same time as I'm using them.

Makita is stuck in 2010. Tired of hearing how being Japanese makes their shit magical. Yay they have a coffee maker

Japan can put out some shit too

>>2702669
XH-M609 board for voltage cutoff.
Various 3D printed adapters...
If you buy, open it and verify it is soldered in a durable manner.

>>2702669
Milwaukee has no low voltage cutoff, that is done by the tool. Ridgid does in the battery pack. They have different hardware as in different PCBs.

>>2702686
The made in Japan Makita is magical, built to a very good standard. The more standard stuff that is made in China...you have a point with their battery tech choices.

>>2702576
That’s the most specific job i’ve ever heard of.
Now Looking into getting a makita power air blower. Fan spins at 29,000 rpm. Nice.

If I'm a man child whose getting a bit tiered of asking dad to come help me put up a shelf cause I don't have the tools
What's a good all round drill for basic small house hold tasks?
Based in UK

>>2702370
> Unironic indian engineering supremacy

>>2702669
Pretty much all 18V power tool batteries are somewhat the same, it’s 5x lithium cells in series. Aside from the pouch cells, they’re either 5, 10, or 15x 18650s or 21700s and the cells come from only a few reputable brands, so different power tool brands will use the exact same Samsung 18650s in their pack.

I don’t think the communication between tool and battery is a huge deal the way you’re thinking. Some brands’ batteries have overcurrent and undervoltage protection built in, as well as balancing, and other brands’ are pretty much just 5 cells and a temp sensor and the charger and tool have the circuitry for protection and balancing. But afaik, any major brand will let you tap into the + and - contacts and pull 100W from it no problem as long as it’s not too hot.

The special communication they claim on the HP/HO packs to give certain tools more power, I don’t know how much of that is data going back and forth vs those certain tools having a second set of battery contacts. Like pic related, the 6Ah Max Output and 3Ah Octane have an extra + and - pin on either side for more amps, so 6 contacts total, the basic 4.0 on the right doesn’t have those, just the usual +, -, temp, and some 4th data or ID pin. So tools like the angle grinder sense contact with those extra contacts and will run a little harder.

>>2702311
Milwaukee because I'm from Wisconsin. Gotta support my people.

>>2702821
Here is the US model.
https://www.amazon.com/Makita-XSA01Z-Brushless-Cordless-Inflator/dp/B0C6CBXR6M
This is the one I have that I imported from Japan. Same as US but with extra JP only attachments.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/155422216974

https://www.ebay.com/itm/155379550988?epid=3058671864&hash=item242d57cb0c:g:3cUAAOSwQMRj1P9m&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA8NrmQ%2Bbihue%2Fbz%2FeN5JmctCjdCXdljYE4vhthIgCdis1jni%2BFCfelHPgC5EskaKeIIDKVXuo6DWPr2vS8rTww0sFE3MhDiADULKbepCqQhP3gafiaXaQuolV623lytH3umWH5FYN%2BduHyAi%2B3r%2FhDJmpR27SYVC%2BMRRiGa7aq1QqKUn2UmSCHpF0vrCAO6cmlvRQnfFfBwg%2BkouP4OmLGpW68NJ81hQDgusRPSPisYXmz87E4sLEhbH9RivtWQlqVZOe1wdigeIWkOhkplw4qJcBCcNL%2BWe1BNXgwIKJQiA0Cgl63P2Ymn3Lx6zdon84dA%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBM0LKUke9i

This is the nozzle for holes in pavement and in tight spots, attaches to one of the JP only nozzles.

>>2702973
It’s 100% chinese, they bought Milwaukee and you are working for the CCP.

>>2703012
https://www.ebay.com/itm/275354812911
Long attachment for makita dust blower... 4chan glitched on me.

>>2702844
I have this for home use. Can get it just about anywhere. Not for masonry work, need a combi drill for that. Otherwise use good bits and this will punch way above its small size. Fits in a junk drawer.
https://www.bosch-professional.com/gb/en/products/gsr-12v-35-fc-06019H3004

Just got this as a birthday present from my dad. Wanted a Snap-On gun but he said this would be good enough for my needs.

Cheapest tool from harbor freight. It'll do 99% of what 99% of people need. If it breaks, you can get something decent

>>2702757
Ah so they're not drop-in compatile.

>>2702927
>any major brand will let you tap into the + and - contacts and pull 100W from it no problem as long as it’s not too hot
Even if it is too hot or too low voltage it will keep discharging, because Milwaukee batteries have no method of stopping the current from flowing as far as I understand. They just pull a pin low and the tool itself has to stop pulling current.

I'd like to see a proper list of what tool batteries do what and what their comms pins are for, that way the shitty battery adapters could be adapted to not just drain your battery until empty.

>>2703064
>I'd like to see a proper list of what tool batteries do what and what their comms pins are for
Same, I posted that Redlink video a week ago and some anon, maybe you mentioned it. But that channel only has a couple videos, he needs to do more work.

>>2703049
Tbqhwy, you don’t want the Snap-On gun. Huge waste of money. You don’t want the Bauer either, but it’s a smaller waste of money.

Protip- if you have the receipt, the DeWalt DCF900 just went on sale for the holidays. The Bauer isn’t the worst possible thing, better than no impact, but sucks not getting a warranty on lithium cells that can die randomly and you’re not even saving any money over Ryobi.

>>2703135
To be fair, I asked him to get me a new Snap-On jacket while I paid for the impact, but I guess he got confused. Don't have the receipt either and I'm pretty sure he got the tool from a crackhead so I can't return it.

>>2703172
Better than no ugga-dugga

And if you ever get down on Milwaukee or DeWalt and end up with a better impact from them, that Bauer would be a great one to toss in the emergency roadside kit and bring on roadtrips.

>>2702311
> always works
> universal
> don't have to worry about battery dying
> don't have to worry about battery life fade
> in B4 no muh power hook up on site (you can literally buy portable batteries for plug inside that are better than lithium battery faggotry
> in B4 I'm too lazy of a fag to move the cable around
Cord chads RISE UP

>>2703188
>always works
>if you’re within a few feet of an outlet
>and there isn’t a power outage
>and you didn’t chop through the cord with that saw blade on accident

Works under certain conditions*

>>2703188
Based. The only cordless tools I own are an impact and drill. That's literally all you need. Everything else is way better corded.

>>2703192
Yeah I love having to make sure I have spare batteries charging at all times, and when I run out I have to wait 30 mins for them to get enough juice just so I can cut a 2x4. I love forgetting my charger on the job and having to quit for the day because none of my tools work. I love having to pay $100 per battery once a year when they inevitably fail from being used all day every day.

Oh wait you wouldn't know about any of that shit because you're a retarded diy fag, non an actual tradesman.

>>2703049
Kek based dad dabbing on diy fag

>>2703192
>>2703212
I guess I should get both then. Thanks anons !

>>2703013
It says Milwaukee which is in Wisconsin so I buy it. Simple as.

>>2702371
*if you can find a local shop Rigid will pay to fix your burnt-out tool.

>>2702400
Amazon has the DeWalt cordless trim router on sale for $145 today, btw.

>>2702405
The new DCF961 just got tested and can out-torque some 1" two-handed wrenches.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvCznz3G4Fg

>>2702413
>still trying to repeat these lies

>>2703192
>right: runs all day
>left: *dies in 20 minutes*

>>2702597
DeWalts been putting out some absolutely king high and mid torques lately.

>>2703272
>>2703276
> torque test channel
The namesake premise of this channel is bullshit.
You can make torque arbitrarily high with gears and/or increasing the size of the anvil (adding, say, 20g of pig iron with each new “model”) and increasing the number of revs before impact.

That said, they do have a few good videos covering other topics, and their total power output tests seem pretty legit.

Nobody is gonna carry these pig-iron behemoths around on the 1 in 10,000 chance you encounter a bolt that needs 5000 ft lb to remove.
In practice, we use hand tools a lot, such as breaker bars and torque wrenches for assembly. We don’t fasten shit on with a huge imact and just give-er. We have pro grade air wrenches with adjustable torque in common situations. I don’t even adjust those torques myself, we have a guy that does it and tests it.

has anyone ever bought a battery converter from amazon and used say milwaukee batteries on harbor freight 18v stuff? I want a leaf blower, but don't wanna pay $100 for an M18 one.

>>2703288
something like this
https://www.amazon.com/LQ-18RY-Adapter-Cordless-Milwaukee-Batteries/dp/B09PJZJRKQ/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2L7Z130FJQXDX&keywords=m18+to+bauer+adapter&qid=1698605188&sprefix=m18+to+bauer+adapte%2Caps%2C127&sr=8-2

>>2703224
> get both

Probably the only thing you might want in cordless is a good drill. It requires among the least amount of power to operate and do it’s thing well. I have many such drills, the’re all inoperable now generations from nicad to lion, every brand.

The longest lasting one was a nicad dewalt (it lasted around 7 years… but I bought that 20+ years ago) but who knows how the’re made nowadays.

The other tool I might get as a cordless is like a high-ish pressure, highish-volume water sprayer or pump thing. As soon as someone makes one. When they do I’ll buy their drill, too.

My wife and kids use it to mix their fucking fancy peanut butter

>>2703273
That thing is kind of stupid though. Milwaukee wasn’t dumb enough to make a 1/2” gun that big, but I guess DeWalt knows people are dumb and why not stick a 1/2” anvil in a 3/4” or 1” sized gun? Who cares if it wrecks sockets after 3 uses.

>>2703270
Nope. Pic related. Print a shipping label and send it.

>>2703212
>>2703210
>people who haven’t used modern cordless tools
The majority of it is better without cords now unless you’re going hours straight with the angle grinder or full demo. Most tools are used intermittently.

>>2703286
I'll note that the hardcore test they run is for breaking nuts free, not putting them on.

And in the video I posted they literally say that that kind of extreme tool's one you keep around for the last try before breaking out the torch, not one you'd use day to day.

>>2703310
It’s impractical for a 1/2” pistol grip impact wrench all around. Any job where you would need 1000+ lbs on the regular, you’re probably going to be using a 2-handed 1” gun, and for all of the jobs under that where you want a 1/2” gun but only need 500-600lbs max on the regular, the smart brands have been going more compact so they’re practical to use in automotive applications. Plus it would wreck any sockets that you use on it regularly because 1/2” drive. That’s why they said it will live in the bottom drawer.

Will be interesting to see how many people buy em anyway because of the numbers. Maybe the next gen mid torque orange one that comes out, I’ll upgrade my last gen mid torque rated at 620 breakaway for something an inch shorter and like 700+ breakaway.

In case anybody was wondering what the cheap Ryobi 2.0Ah packs look like inside.

Gotta mess with this one tomorrow. Cell #1 (where the - of the pack connects) is like 3.5V and Cells #2-#5 are all 0.7V-0.8V. So overall voltage is like 7.5V, but the board shuts is off somewhere so it’s only 80mV at the contacts.

The EU should mandate a tool battery standard

>>2703501
if a LMO cell goes under 2v its bin fodder mate.
replace em

>>2703509
If this happened, we would still be stuck on nothing but 1.5Ah 18V packs, no Flexvolt or 8.0Ah or anything.

>>2703532
Yeah when I saw the <8V total, I was hoping it wasn’t that low and they would all be more like 1.5V. This battery was already warrantied and replaced so I just wanted to open it to troubleshoot the thing for fun.

>>2702400
I got a Milwaukee cordless random orbit sander about two years ago and the tool itself has performed well at the few jobs I've needed it at (interior/exterior painter of 3 years). However a few of my coworkers have DeWalt models (both cordless and w/ cord) and I have to say the DeWalt sanders have far superior ergonomics to the Milwaukee variant, where I could work 1 hour with the Milwaukee before wrist cramps it's 3 hours for the DeWalt

Kobalt

>>2703568
>shops at Lowe’s
Lesbians, amirite?

>>2702760
>made in Japan Makita
so where the fuck can i actually buy versions of all their tools that are actually made in japan
>>2703049
snap on power tools are literally just flaming garbage with a 4 digit price tag
snap on crap in general is kind of mediocre and only a few select tools from snap on are actually worth buying

>>2703646
I rarely go in the actual store because it's about 10 minutes further away than Home Depot. But I can order it online with free shipping.

>>2703568
>literally who

>>2703683
Also Avid Power on Amazon. It's decent chinkshit. I got their air compressor and oscillating multitool and both work great.

>>2703676
They’re not bad, Lowe’s is just kinda gay

>>2703683
It’s Lowe’s store brand made by Chervon. Little above nu-Skil, little below Flex 24V. Just like how Ridgid is Home Depot’s store brand from TTI above Ryobi and below Milwaukee.

>>2702311
I would go for 2 platforms. One for variety and one for the better tools you want high quality. For variety I'm thinking Black+Decker, they have lots of stuff that runs off the same batteries. None of it is top of the line but mostly average, good enough for general purpose use.

>>2703776
I wouldn’t do black & decker for the cheaper stuff. That’s real low end and their lineup is super small for variety. Also does B&D even offer larger batteries? Like let’s say you want a power inverter and fan and light for a storm season kit, and you don’t want to spend Milwaukee money on shit that might get used once a year, if B&D even sells those things, you’re stuck with some 1.5Ah battery that will power the inverter for a couple minutes.

Patrician choice for variety on a budget is Ryobi. They have by far the best variety of homeowner gadgets and all of the odd power tools a weekender might only need a couple times a year.

I never understand platforms
I just buy whatever tool I like and it comes with the parts to charge it. why would I care if the battery from one tool doesnt fit in another?
I have ingersol rand and dewalt mainly, and a skil tool

if i had to choose one, I think dewalt, because they consistently put out the best tools and have easily the most variety of equipment.

>>2703847
>why would I care if the battery from one tool doesnt fit in another
Because full tools with battery and charger are a lot more expensive than just the tool by itself. You end up paying for a bunch of batteries and chargers you barely ever use, it's an opportunity cost. Also takes up more room.
>have easily the most variety of equipment
I thought Milwaukee had greater variety.

>>2703847
That whole second part, Milwaukee probably has them beat. Milwaukee is consistently more innovative and ahead of DeWalt on performance. DeWalt will catch up and beat Milwaukee on specs for 6mos, then Milwaukee releases their new one and is on top again for a few years. Milwaukee has way more 12V tools and a shit ton of 18V tools for plumbers and and elextctricians and HVAC guys that you have never seen. Where is the DeWalt vacuum pump?

DeWalt is good for weekend warriors though, they probably don’t need all the press tools and crimpers, and the extra 5% performance of Milwaukee isn’t worth the money most of the time.

And having a ton of different brands with different batteries and chargers is annoying and expensive. If you’re running a tool real hard, you might want 3 battery packs ready to go. Also it’s nice to have different sizes of packs for the same tool, a 2.0Ah for quick small jobs or when you’re carrying it all day with little use, or a 5.0Ah for average days, or an 8.0Ah pack for that same drill if you need to run the hole saw hard. That’s expensive to do if you have one or two tools from every brand.

>>2703853
idk bro dewalt has the best mid torque impact by a considerable margin and clearly the best 20v portable air compressor
also their first party support of 20 year old tools with a cheap adapter is good, I can pick up tools for dirt cheap and just smash an oem adapter in it
did milwaukee even make tools back in the nimh battery days? I dont follow tools much I just use them

>>2703864
The adapters are inconvenient, nobody who uses the tools a lot wants to use those old ass tools anymore, it’s been enough years where the brick & mortar stores are getting rid of that DeWalt adapter kit. By that metric, Ryobi and Ridgid have DeWalt beat because they have the same battery design as when the tools were NiCd and new lithium packs fit the 18V NiCd generation tools no problem.

DeWalt’s mid torque isn’t “better”, it’s more powerful, and it’s also about the size of Milwaukee’s newest high torque. Most people don’t want the most powerful mid torque if it doesn’t fit in any of the spots where you want to use it. Milwaukee upped the power and went smaller.

Don’t base all of your decisions on power rankings from Youtube channels alone. By that metric, maybe you should get down on Flex 24V. DeWalt’s newest giant 1/2” is just stupid, Milwaukee wouldn’t sell that thing with a 1/2” anvil because they do more R&D and consulting with people who work in the trades to know it’s a dumb idea that will wreck sockets after a couple uses.

Milwaukee has had an edge on most 18V/20V max tools over DeWalt for the past decade

>>2703864
And if you want to talk about the OG battery powered tools, pretty sure Makita has the claim to that. But like DeWalt, they haven’t quite kept up with Milwaukee the past 10+ years. Makita is even further behind than DeWalt though. If DeWalt is 2 years behind, then Makita is like 7-8 years behind.

Makes me curious what the next battery gen will be. Those CAT branded power tools have some new lithium graphene packs that claim insane recharge times.

>>2703847
> ingersol rand
that's fancy stuff

>>2703934
at the time in 2015 they were the only ones making a right angle impact so I bought one and it has been invaluable for working on cars
almost like all cars built in the last 25 years were designed around it

>>2702405
bosch is based hold a m18 impact and a bosch and you'll get it

>>2703944
Yeeee buddy just got mine last Weds so I’m waiting for whatever retarded project comes along where it helps. Maybe it will get in some spots where I used to need the mid torque, an 18” extension, a swivel joint, and another 3” extension.

>>2703959
Never said they were bad, they might be #1 cordless brand in Yurop, but in the US only one big retailer sells them and there’s only a handful of tools. The more I use my corded jugsaw and oscillating tool, the more I want to swap them with 18V versions because almost everything is more convenient cordless.

>>2703647
Ok for stuff I can get at Home Depot, the cordless bandsaw is made in JP and the 18v high torque impact wrench/black subcompact one is made in USA or JP. Their impact drivers have a made in JP model number that you can get on ebay, usually starts with TD for both 18 and 40v.
Made in JP circ saws start w/model number HS (40v ones are made in China unless model number starts with KS, then they are made in JP).
Some of the SDS hammer drills for concrete are made in JP, the smaller ones mostly made in China. Most of the made in Japan stuff is from eBay, but not always.

>>2703971
Ironically I'm not a big fan of Ridgid except for their subcompact impacts and their battery which I can safely adapt to any other tool brand of the same voltage, making the battery most versatile. The downside is the heft, bosch can make a 4ah pack with 21700 cells at a similar size to a Ridgid 2ah pack...just a tradeoff depending on what you are trying to do. I have both...Lowe's kinda blows for buying Bosch (all I see is Kobalt, Flex and Craftsman...meh).

>>2703213
I love my dad but holy shit is he a cheapskate. We both work in the automotive industry. He's got his own shop and I'm working at a dealership but I'll stop by to help him whenever I have the time. When I asked him if I could borrow some tools and an impact told me I'd have to get my own stuff lol

>>2703988
Thanks for the info
Do they make a basic bitch cordless drill in japan or are those simple enough that they're all made in china
I found a bunch of their corded tools made in japan, some old ass angle grinders (still working good) an old 2speed drill that I use to spin a wire wheel and a basically brand new corded 1/2 impact gun that I keep in the shop.

>>2703896
> lithium graphene packs
Yeah, and they have LK-99 superconducting motors, too. Buy them out every chance you get before “big corded” disappears them.

I bought mine with NFTs, but wait for the bluetooth remote-id and blockchain features that they only give out to operatives.

>>2702311
Buy Total. It'll eventually break, and you mostly can't replace carbon brushes without opening them. but you know what, replacing 3 year old tools feels much better than sticking to 20 year old hardware. Won't cost you an arm and a leg either.

>>2704100
>replacing 3 year old tools feels much better than sticking to 20 year old hardware
C O N S O O M

>>2704102
You are consuming! You have been consuming! When cheap shit breaks it's awesome, cause then you buy new cheap shit. I just fixed my door and it didn't require no Ridgid or some makitas from outer space. Just the tool at hand that i got for $50.

>>2704097
>big corded
Topkek. That couldn’t be further from the truth. None of the big companies have updated their corded tools in 20 years because all the R&D and new improved tech goes into their battery platforms.

>>2703996
Which gen Ridgid batteries do you have? They downsized their batteries a lot with the newer gen, less plastic and rubber overmolding,

>>2703996
You can kinda see the difference between the 4.0s here. And the new 6.0s are way smaller than the Octane 6.0s.

>>2704115
I have both generations of 4ah Ridgid batteries as in your picture. The heft compared to Bosch is more to do with the battery mount being bigger and the Bosch getting away with single stack 21700 to get 4ah.That makes them very short almost Ridgid 2ah short which helps in a couple spots with work on my car and can store/pack easier.

I was actually pissed with the max output generation because the little bit of rubber in the last gen allowed the tools to not slip (brushing the corners with plasti dip fixes that) and the switch to Chinese cells, my prior gen batteries have Sony cells.

>>2704115
> corded don’t improve
It’s harder to improve on something that is already perfected. Contractors can wear them out which is why they use them, but a homeowner is unlikely to, so they introduced disposable corded tools so you can re-buy them.

Yet HiKoki (Hitachi) still introduced brushless corded as well as dual-powered tools with an adapter for those that want them. Hitachi’s been making motors for a 100 years or so.
Brushless motors themselves are new. They’re just new to the average homeowner that doesn’t know anything.
Like the brushless motor “idea” they are now copy-and-pasting polymer flat pack batteries from the RC crowd since they’re out of other equivalent exchanges to make it sound newer or better without any actual significant improvements. RCs and drones are especially concerned with power-to-weight ratios, so it makes sense to try and import their wherewithal as “new ideas” into cordless tools. To fool you-the consumer,

>>2704115
> corded don’t improve
It’s harder to improve on something that is already perfected. Contractors can wear them out which is why they use them, but a homeowner is unlikely to, so they introduced disposable corded tools so you can re-buy them.

Yet HiKoki (Hitachi) still introduced brushless corded as well as dual-powered tools with an adapter for those that want them. Hitachi’s been making motors for a 100 years or so.
Brushless motors themselves are not new. They’re just new to the average homeowner that doesn’t know anything.
Like the brushless motor “idea” they are now copy-and-pasting polymer flat pack batteries from the RC crowd since they’re out of other equivalent exchanges to make it sound newer or better without any actual significant improvements. RCs and drones are especially concerned with power-to-weight ratios, so it makes sense to try and import their wherewithal as “new ideas” into cordless tools. To fool you-the consumer,

>>2704095
Those are largely simple enough to all be from China except for the extremely specialized Explosion-proof tools (NiMH only, no lithium) to do work during gas leaks.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/125971651724
or
https://www.grainger.com/product/MAKITA-Screwdriver-Kit-385JH9

>>2704153
That’s because that Bosch battery is 21700 cells. Ridgid did a 5S pack with 21700 cells on the 3.0Ah Octane pack. Might want to look inside too, like DeWalt packs are always quite small because there’s no BMS board in there, the tool does it,

It’s a store brand, so they’re not going to put out as many battery choices as DeWalt who has 3.0’s and 4.0s in both 5-cell and 10-cell. Glad Ridgid finally did the 8.0 though, I sort of want one of those for reasons, and they have a 12.0 as well, those are their only current 21700 cell packs. I will say though, the 4.0Ah packs like that Bosch probably aren’t great for power hungry tools that want bursts of lots of amps. That Ridgid max output is going to give a tool more max torque without overheating. There’s a balance between capacity and charging/discharge rate and life cycles, so I guess Ridgid thinks the 10-cell 4.0s have a better balance for their tools than a 5x 21700 cell 4.0Ah pack.

Also fun fact, if you watch all the testing channels, the Milwaukee and DeWalt tools do best with their 6.0Ah packs that are 10x 3000mAh 21700 cells. They consistently do better than the 8.0Ah packs with the 4000mAh 21700 cells because lower capacity generally means more discharge current. But those M18 and DeWalt 6.0s are big compared to the 6.0Ah packs made with 18650s.

Also you could do a 3.0Ah pack the same size as all of the 1.3Ah-2.0Ah packs, but they would only be good in lower draw tools, impact drivers and subcompact drills and lights and radios.

>>2704169
Kek. People really think the 80s corded versions are nicer to use than new brushless cordless stuff.

>>2704314
So I know everyone here is arguing 18v/20v stuff, but what about the higher voltage stuff? Been looking at some of dewalts 60v stuff for some of the heavier shit I deal with at work as well as at home (pic related).

>>2704320
Fuck, not only did I reply, I hit post by accident.

Continuing on, I've run into a few things at work my 6 1/2 had issues getting through, but I also need a grinder. DeWalt makes a Flexvolt grinder, but IDK if it'll be overkill for what I'm usually cutting through.

>>2704320
Sure. That stuff has balls. But remember they all have the same cells in them, so DeWalt’s Flexvolt packs aside from the fuckhueg 15.0 are basically the same power capacity as M18 6.0 or 12.0 packs. A lot of thar new M18 Fuel yard equipment is built heavier duty than the average homeowner will need.

If you’re already on DeWalt, then go for it. There’s some good other dedicated high voltage systems for lawn equipment though. The Ego 56V is consistently ranked at the top for battery OPE. Ryobi’s 40V is a nice lineup too. But those batteries aren’t going to work on your circular saw. I’m sure that Flexvolt is going to run harder than a 20V Max base model version that is designed to operate on little 2.0Ah packs.

>>2704320
>>2704332
The 60V packs can also feed most 20V without the Flexvolt branding a bit better than the 20V packs as well.

>>2704320
I've had the 60v weedeater for years. Recently swapped to an Echo style head which I prefer. I'm not kind to mine and it's served me well. I am not a brandfag at all and buy whatever interests me.

For heavy grinding in-shop I mostly use corded but if you need mobile cutting there's no reason not to get a Flexvolt. I have various lighter cordless grinders modded to take 6" cutting disks and corded for heavy work, but will probably add a Flexvolt as one can never have too many grinders. The recip saw is a beast and makes decapitating Silverados for their delicious LS engines even easier than with my Sawzalls. (Diablo Auto Dismantling blades are impressive.)

>>2704314
99% of the time I would agree with that statement until I got to look at the original Makita cordless drill in an antique shop. Some of those high-end cordless were truly made to a high standard though simple and primitive in our eyes. I'm tempted to convert one of these at some point to lithium because of how overengineered some of the components are.

>>2704344
Yeah, some kind of reciprocating saw is also on my list. I see DeWalt has a smaller 20v one handed saw now that would be dope for pipe cutting under campers.

Also, dumb question but I see they have new "powerstack" batteries now. Are they somehow different from the normal slide packs DeWalt sells or is it just a marketing gimmick? The smaller ones would be nice for my impact.

>>2704530
The powerstack are supposed to be higher discharge but lower capacity. Like if you have a compact 1/2” impact wrench or a drill where you want to do big holes and want power but only need to do a couple holes and don’t want a big 6.0+ pack hanging off of it, the Powerstack packs are good.

As for the little hackzalls, they’re nice, but you will still use two hands to brace it on certain things. They don’t have the balls of full size orbital saws if you’re chewing through a bunch of 4x4’s. I think DeWalt has an XR with a goofy configuration that’s pretty powerful and not fuckhueg.

>>2704530
Pic related I’m pretty sure is why they made the PowerStack batteries. Impact drivers and impact wrenches are the perfect case for those batteries. Intermittent use but high power. If you have a bigger 1/2” impact wrench, toss the 5.0Ah Powerstack on there and maybe you will get 10%-20% more power than a regular 5.0Ah pack. It’s like getting the power of an 8.0Ah battery with less weight. The powerstack won’t run the impact as long, but an 8.0Ah pack will run a 1/2” impact for like 500+ bolts, so you’re not worried about only getting 350 bolts out of a charge with the Powerstack.

Look for the free tool deals too, there have been sales like a 1.7Ah and 5.0Ah PS battery plus a charger for $149-$199, and then a free tool, often from the Atomic line.

Do the harbor freight brands use the same batteries?

>>2704543
No, they made powerstack batteries because
1. You cannot fix them easily. No individual cells.
2. Cheaper to manufacture.
3. Easily damaged.

Probably doubles the battery turnover for double the profits.

>>2704532
Yeah, the most I'd be using it for is cutting piping and other softer shit in odd places. Right now we all kinda share one coworkers 12v Milwaukee hackzall and it does the job great. Figure I might as well get dewalts 20v equivalent since their 12v stuff is lacking. For anything bigger I'd just get the full size Flexvolt 2 handed hacksaw.

>>2704635
The Bauer and Hercules brands use name brand cells inside their battery packs if that’s what you’re asking. Although last Bauer pack I opened was a couple years ago and I wouldn’t be surprised if they switched to Chinese cells with the 90-day warranty on those. And if they haven’t switch yet, they will.

>>2704641
If you say so. They do have individual cells though. It will probably take a few million pouch cells before they end up cheaper than the 18650s.

Let’s be honest though, 99.9% of users aren’t replacing dead cells in a battery pack. I don’t think that’s the reason. And they still offer the same warranty on the pouch cell packs, so your theory doesn’t make much sense. The marketing material also claims the pouch cells are supposed to take more cycles than the regular round cells so…

The one thing I would be concerned about it the heat.

>>2704660
One thing about these, the M12 hackzall is small, the M12 Fuel hackzall is double the size. I’m sure Dewalt’s 20V is closer to the M12 Fuel in size. Go look at them in-store before setting on one if you’re picky because the older non-Fuel M12 is way smaller than most every other saw with that design.

I do like my one handed guy for doing tree trimming shit because even with less power than the big orbital guy, the brushless saws will run through wet wood with a Diablo blade no problem.

>>2702400
Milwaulkee hand tools are very hit-or-miss compared to their power tools.

>>2703192
>>and you didn’t chop through the cord with that saw blade on accident
Don't be a retard. It's not hard.
>>if you’re within a few feet of an outlet
>>and there isn’t a power outage
Just buy one of these smooth brain. You buy one and it works with all of your tools.

>>2704706
I go back and forth on their socket sets, like I kind of want to grab the 3/8” set to keep in the car, I like the case and they’re compact. But not for ~$100, I’d rather just get Gearwrench for the money I think.

Their wrench sets are tempting too. I wonder who the actual manufacturer is because the Icon anti-slip wrenches, Carlyle from Napa, and the Milwaukee wrenches are all the exact same thing from the same factory. But they’re all a little overpriced and I don’t really have a good reason to replace my mostly USA Craftsman. And if I were going to spend $200 on a set of Milwaukee or Icon wrenches, I could just pony up the extra $50-$100 and get some real nice USA made Wright or Williams wrenches.

I like the grips on their Asian made pliers, they have the new USA made pliers on the shelves now, but they’re expensive and I don’t have a good reason to spend $40 on Milwaukee when I know the $40 Kleins and Knipex are going to be super good. I’ll wait for a few people to say they last longer then Knipex and maybe I’ll try. The Milwaukee fanboi club is real tho.

>>2704712
Kek, this is the logic you’re using?

Also that brick has a single outlet capable of 200W, maybe that will run a low grade Dremel knockoff if you don’t go above 50% speed.

>>2704714
Watch out with Williams (industrial arm of Snap-On now), they have moved much of their production to Taiwan charging USA prices. The USA-made sockets and wrenches have both letters and numbers in their model number. I have some of the USA-made stuff and they serve me well (try Proto too, most of those are still made in Texas).

I'd wait on the Milwaukee pliers. Knipex's heat treatment is second to none for most of their hand tools. If Milwaukee pliers can be abused like a Knipex Cobra and retain their teeth, then we may have a winner.

>>2704726
They’ve been making Taiwan stuff for a long time. Half of their stuff is made with Blue Point in Taiwan, half is the USA.

And that’s exactly what I’m saying about the USA Milwaukee. I have a few of the Milwaukee Asian tools. They’re ok, but they’re more affordable than the USA versions and Knipex is def better than those.

>>2704712
2/10 low-effort bait.

>>2702372
My Ryobi router is only so so.

Has decent power, merely average with big bits in a router table.

The collett binds and sometimes comes off while running, cord is barely long enough.

Cheap tools are usually barely worth it in a compromise your word working. I've had the router burn stuff and not cut properly so that had to do a bunch of cleanup with a file

>>2704953
DeWalt's design is so good that Flex copied it, in the meantime.

>>2703013
They're engineered in Milwaukee, Wisconsin though.
>>2703243
But their Wisconsin plant is all the way out in Mukwonago!

>>2705008
You talking about the pouch cells?

Those things take a couple years to come down the line, they were probably doing development concurrently. No way Flex waited until the DeWalt packs were on the market to start working on their line, along with the Milwaukee Forge. The tabless packs will be coming along more as well.

It’s not like how Harbor Freight copies tools, some of their Hercules power tools are so damn close to DeWalt and Milwaukee, there’s no way the engineers didn’t have a DCF899 cracked open on their desk while drawing up the Hercules version. Hell, the Hercules battery packs are a straight copy of DeWalt, if you snap off a little tab and change the temp sensor to the next pin, a Hercules battery will run a DeWalt tool.

>>2705712
>You talking about the pouch cells?
The entire cordless trim router design.

>>2705712
Interesting, if one jumps the temp pin, would the DeWalt tool cut the power to the Hercules pack since they are so close? That would be an excellent alternative since HF sells a 12ah pack.

>>2702408
I've been wailing on my Makita tools for years and haven't broken one yet. Routinely use them in ridiculously cold temperatures.

TTI sucks, buy from a tool company that isn't owned by some giant conglomerate.

>>2702311
>ONE 18 volt tool brand
Just be normal and get a driver or drill and saw that use the same battery and get ryobi and no-name corded versions of everything else you need.

>>2702508
What's the best color for spotting your power tools in the trunk of the wetback framers late 90s corolla?

>>2705797
I think DeWalt manages the battery with circuitry in the tool, I don’t believe most DeWalt batteries have a BMS in them, so that combination should be safe.

There’s a video on Youtube I saw years ago when Hercules first came out. Dude just soldered in a resistor on the Hercules pack between the - pin and the pin that DeWalt reads the temp from, then cut one little tab and it ran fine.

As far as charging the Hercules pack on a DeWalt charger, I’m not sure.

>>2705811
Is that a cargo snowmobile? Between that and the log cabin garage it reminds me of the Eastern UP, specifically Drummond Island.

>>2706137
The seat's dismounted from it.

>>2702311
no name shit from amazon, won't have to worry as much about tools walking off

>>2706273
And then you spend 6X as much when they inevitably break.

>>2702311
repair tech here,
Metabo HPT or Milwaukee FUEL
Hitachi is new to batteries and they've had some limited issues with their batteries but they always handle it well. They have a solid warranty (lifetime warranty to the original owner excluding some regular wear parts). They are priced well and have a good lineup of tools on their platform.

Milwaukee is the best but they get into a bunch of gimmicky niche tools that that the average homeowner doesn't need. Their 3 or 5 year warranties are solid. They're expensive and gay but they work. Milwaukee tools that aren't a part of their "Fuel" product line are generally meh or shit

whatever you buy, keep an eye out for good prices on kits. Companies make killer margins on batteries but promotions and kits mitigate the pricerape

>>2706137
it's a Skandic Super Wide Track, basically a snow tractor

posting from Alaska

>>2706481
that thing is awesome

has anyone ever made a fwd snowmobile? would that be fun?

>>2703647
Ebay has a number of mij makita tools and there is some reseller on the makita reddit that started a website where you can buy new mij tools and even request ones he doesn't offer as regular products

>>2702371
I was thinking about buying their batteries then adapting it to other tools

>>2706866
The Ridgid batteries? You want that LSA huh?

The adapters have their issues. I wouldn’t run adapters on any real high draw tools, but I believe Ridgid builds the BMS into their batteries and not the tools which is good, like you would probably have to watch the battery level on DeWalt packs if you adapted them to certain tools.

If you do it, don’t waste the money on the Ridgid Max Output packs. I’m sure the adapters won’t have contacts for the Max packs to work to their potential.

>>2706869
Yeah that’s why I was going to buy into them.

I’m mostly a corded guy and saw that LSA as a good option to kick me over into cordless.

I use m18 at work and dewalt as well on some things , was going to invest into m19 but saw the LSA

I was mostly going to use the ridgid inverter 120v to run a small air brush for warhammer models portably

Then also run it in a power outage situation

>>2706873
Go for it. They used to only offer the LSA on batteries that came in kits, but now you can get it on bare batteries. Just remember to register them after you buy them. They have 2x 4.0s for $99 right now, and 8.0s for $149 which honestly isn’t bad.

Do the math on the 120V inverters though. A 4.0Ah battery is 72Wh, and I think those inverters are normally 150W max, make sure that will cover the airbrush and have realistic expectations.

Don’t know who has larger inverters, Ryobi has a beefy 40V one and DeWalt has that 4x 20V inverter that’s good for 15A @ 120V which is pretty crazy.

Tbqhwy, think about Ryobi for that shit too. It’s a real good choice for all of that random crap. 2x 4.0s are on sale for ~$79 all the time, their 150W inverter is only $49, their 18V lights and inflator and random shit is way cheaper than the other brands and the $50 Ryobi fan is going to hold up just fine compared to the $100+ Milwaukee. Everything has a 3 year warranty so even if a battery dies at 4-5 years, go drop another $79-$99 on a 2pk of 4.0s or get a free battery with some other deal. They also have the 2.0, 4.0, and 6.0 HP packs w/charger for $129 online right now I believe, and those HP packs still have good Jappo or Korean cells in them, not the cheaper Chinese ones they’ve been putting in their budget packs lately.

>>2706882
I was looking at picking up the 2x 2.0, charger and 2 drills for $99 deal, smaller batteries and probably lower quality drills but is it decent?

>>2706890
So $180 to get the system going then pickup tools as I need it, but now I’m realize all 3 batteries are going to be 2.0

Is that something I can look over until I get deeper into the system or should I spring for larger capacity?

>>2706890
Looks straight if you want a basic brushed drill and impact driver. Now you’re down to 36Wh packs though, so if you’re trying to run some 100W device off the power inverter, you get 15-20min runtime.

Don’t know what your main goal is. Do you want it for the batteries or are you trying to run some of their tools as well? They also have the 4.0Ah, 6.0Ah, and a charger right now for like $170 with a free tool and a lot of the free tool options are good brushless tools.

Also do they have any deal on the subcompact drill and impact driver kit? I love that babby 18V impact driver, it’s so cute and has balls for its size.

I believe Flex still has a lifetime warranty going on for anything you buy and register before the end of the year. And Metabo HPT or one of those other Lowe’s brands has it going on as well.

>>2706894
Oh damn I’m tempted to grab that sale now. That inverter is often $99 alone.

What are you trying to run off the inverter? How many watts is it going to pull? Make sure you do the math, because if you don’t need the drill and driver, you could get the 2x 4.0Ah packs for the same money. Or dig more online and see if they’re sales on bigger battery kits.

>>2706897
I’m mostly after the batteries, inverter.

15-20mins of run time is plenty for what I’m planning. Just air brush some tiny 1” figures to wait out traffic after work outside.

But if I can ditch all my air tools and run everything off this cordless system eventually that would be a sweet bonus.

Are the brushless much better tools ?

If you were buying a kit would you go for the $99 deal I linked or would you go for the $170, with the 4,6 and brushless impact?

>>2706902
The brushless tools are generally more compact for the amount of power they have, and slightly more efficient so more runtime. Probably doesn’t matter much for a basic drill and driver.

And between the 4.0/6.0 and impact or the drill and driver for $99, that totally depends on your needs. That 6.0 will run the inverter a lot longer, and the impact wrench (I’m guessing it’s the mid torque) will be great for automotive work.

But if you don’t own a cordless drill and driver yet, can’t lose on that $99 kit because fuck cords if you want to sink a screw into a fence post. If you only really need the inverter for now, get the 2x4.0s for $99 and the inverter.

>>2706909
I have bought into old shitty systems before, black and decker nicad system back when I was super fucking college kid poor.

Im kind of torn between the $99 and $179 setup right now, I’m leaning towards getting the $179 setup and mid torque impact since it doesn’t hurt to have a nicer impact to break rusty shit loose

Is the mid torque brushless heads and shoulders above the brushed torque of the $99 kit?

>>2706951
You’re talking about the brushless 1/2” impact wrench if you get the $179 kit, right?

Umm yeah, the 1/2” impact is like 5x as powerful as the 1/4” impact driver, they’re totally diffetent tools. The 1/2” impact is for larger nuts and bolts that you can barely get loose by hand with a breaker bar, the 1/4” impact driver is for screws and maybe <1/2” nuts and bolts with a socket adapter. One is for taking off wheels and rusty suspension components, the other is for removing engine covers and interior panels.

>>2706951
>>2706957
If you don’t have a modern cordless drill and impact driver, get that damn $99 kit. It will be miles above an old B&D NiCd drill.

The $179 deal will be going until at least Feb 1. You should have a drill and impact driver to start with, and then think about it over the next few months whether you want more larger batteries and a big impact so you don’t have to remove wheels by hand. Also that 1/2” mid torque goes on sale randomly online with either the $179 kit or will be like $149 with a 4.0Ah battery and charger even if you don’t buy it before the holiday sales end.

>>2706957
Good point, I have a 1/2” air impact from back when I was a mechanic.

Sounds like the $99 deal is more of an everyday kit and the brushless was the electric equivalent of a BFH

After my credit card 10% off it was $189 shipped

Which isn’t bad for 3 batteries, an inverter and 2 tools

>>2702311
What brands offers the most coverage in terms of tools and interchangeability with the battery? I know a guy and he says Craftsman because he can take the battery from his drill into yard tools and other stuff.

>>2707041
For homeowner grade stuff, Ryobi 18V.

For a step up in quality for more pro grade, Milwaukee M18 is #1 because they have everything from chainsaws and blowers to vacuum pumps and PEX press tools and all sorts of tech/tradie stuff. DeWalt 20V is probably 2nd, but they’re missing a handful of the tradie specific tools, although they tend to be a bit more affordable than Milwaukee.

>>2707041
Dewalt because it's Milwaukee without retarded battery problems and much more affordable

>>2707141
Dewalt has retarded battery problems, but that is more in their Flexvolt batteries, which are too big for many of their regular tools. The normal XR batteries are fine, I'd wait another year or two on the PowerStack batteries because of their different chemistry and their reliability is still a question mark. Dewalt has so many lines though, the pro ones are XR and Atomic.

>>2707017
The inverter works really well with an ozone machine to detail/restore cars. For that job you'll need a 4Ah battery to do it right. What I'm saying is that it is very good for small special outdoor jobs where an outlet is not available.

>>2707190
The only complaint about Milwaukee batteries is the 12.0s, aka the 15-cell packs. If DeWalt has issues with that too on their Flexvolts, it’s because of 15-cell packs. The BMS’s like to stop charging when the highest cells hit 4.2V, so those big packs are going to get unbalanced if you’re not cycling them down to 1 bar very often. I first noticed it with jump starter power bricks, the same shit happens because most people jump a car or two, then let it self dischage for a month, then pop it back on the charger when it’s at 3/4 bars.

>>2707191
If you look at the reviews on those inverters, like 75% of them are people who use them for CPAP machines when the power goes out.

>>2707256
I know someone with a CPAP. The 18v Ridgid and Ryobi inverters do not provide clean enough 120v AC (modified sine wave) to power some of them. The 40v Ryobi inverter is pure sine wave and ran the CPAP in question flawlessly. I lend it out during outages.

>>2702311
The first 4 are comparable, festool and hilti are high end an Ridgid and craftsmen are on older platforms

>>2707267
>Ridgid and craftsmen are on older platforms
Wut? The Craftsman in that pic is probably the newest lineup of all of those unless that Hilti is the brand new Nuron. And Ridgid is 18V lithium like everybody else.

>>2707290
A lot of New Craftsman tools are from the existing Stanley Fatmax tools sold in Europe they even call their batteries the same, v20.

I'm 99% sure that those euro batteries fit the Craftsman batteries. As for the rest...Those are a mix of the largely zombie brand Porter Cable (brushed) and older DeWalt designs (brushless). TTC on Youtube did a teardown showing this for impact wrenches.

https://www.stanleytools.co.uk/products/power-tools/impact-drivers-wrenches

Ridgid is a mixture of last gen Milwaukee and they seem to be TTI's answer to Makita's 18v Subcompact line for their new platform.

>>2707290
The insides are old designs
The outside plastic and when it was sold just doesn't matter

Captcha: Amway lmaooo
Hart is the same way.

>>2707295
>>2707299
Tbqhwy, half the Makita designs are older than the Craftsman which is rebranded Porter Cable.

The Ryobi and Craftsman stuff isn’t exactly trickle down stuff though. And even then, it’s not that old. Like Craftsman brushless is getting some ~5 year old DeWalt stuff, which might be more current than the damn Makita versions. A couple Ryobi tools are 3-4 year old Ridgid designs, you get a lot for your money as a DIYer who isn’t going to burn out the tools in <5 years on a jobsite. But a lot of the tools don’t really share any parts, there’s so many unique Ryobi designs. Wish I could say that for Craftsman but SB&D has been a little lazy with that brand, like giving up on the 12V tools. I would probably take nu-Skil 20V over Craftsman because they’re more innovative in that price range

Ryobi is finally getting 21700 cell batteries too, something Makita still can’t do on their 18V tools.

>>2707267
Only buy Festool if you're doing fine woodworking and already making 6 figures from it.

Maybe an exception is the dust extractors, those are actually fantastic.

>>2707338
>I would probably take nu-Skil 20V over Craftsman because they’re more innovative in that price range
Skil's jobsite table saw is actually pretty solid for being a half-price knockoff of the DeWalt design.

>>2707191
I think my next purchase will be that track saw and the 8ah batter with the 21700 cells?

>>2707485
The track saw looks okay. The 8Ah battery has really good Samsung 21700 cells, just like Bosch and Milwaukee.

>>2707468
The Festools extractors look like copy machines. If one doesn't have the $700-1000 for the Festool, a poor man's HEPA option is the $180 Bosch GAS18v-3N which has an actual HEPA filter and a cyclone design.

>>2707634
At that size I'm fine with my little cordless 1/2 gallon DeWalt, which also has a HEPA filter.

>>2707629
I want me one of those 8.0Ah packs but don’t really have an excuse to drop $150+ on a single battery. I would almost rather get the Ryobi 8.0 because most of my yard tools are Ryobi. I guess the 8.0 Ridgid would be straight for the angle grinder, but I’d rather wait for them to sell the rear handle saw or SDS with the 8.0 as a set for maybe an extra $50 over bare tool pricing.

>>2707681
Does ryobi have the LSA too?

>>2707740
No

>>2707740
I don’t even take the LSA into account that much anymore. Everything comes with a 3 year warranty minimum, and if you got a shitty tool or battery with a defect, you’re going to burn the thing up and get it replaced within the warranty period. The tools will last a decade at least with homeowner use, and the batteries will go 5 years before you get a bad dropoff since you’re only cycling packs every couple weeks.

This is a Dong Cheng board

>>2709174
>Chinesium garbage that burns out looking at a lag screw

>>2702311
milwaukee or bosch
dosnt really matter just one of those

>>2703684
This. Avid Power is good value.

I’m visiting my boomer dad, and he’s got like 12 different power tool brands (all off Amazon) one says dextra, one says drill master , and one says like hyping tool

How do I talk him into getting rid of all this stupid shit and buying one good tool

He doesn’t have his chargers organized and setup

He literally has them scattered all over his garage and he goes

“Whoops it’s not that one!”

“Oh, not that one either, huh, where did I put that brad nailer charger?”

>>2702627
He's 100% right tho

>>2703052
Unbelievably based response
The first cordless tools I bought were Worx because they were the cheapest ones I could find
When I burned up a drill, I bought some Kobalt stuff because it performs like the bug guys but 30% cheaper

I remodel professionally and have all kinds of expensive equipment but cordless tools are all the same lmaoooooo

>>2702311
I have a Bosch drill and tightening the chuck it sometimes clicks repeatedly and won't lock the when I try to drill it clicks more. Do I need a new chuck?

>>2709420
You might be able to talk him into buying one brand as tools break, but if he's buying that way he just doesn't care.

>>2709420
Buy him a Ryobi starter kit and he will probably keep buying that as long as the bare tools aren’t 3x the price of shitty Amazon stuff. Hopefully he will realize how nice it is to have a charger around and a couple batteries that can get work done without having to search for whatever Chinese charger.

You can get a good Ryobi setup going for $200-$300 right now.

>you are now reminded of the fact 14.4v tools were a thing

Found this buried in a corner at work and all I could think was literally why.jpg? Who was the target market? These things suck ass.

>>2709669
Snap-On still has 14.4V for their compact tools, the design actually works pretty well with 4x 18650 cells. But I think that DeWalt is an old NiCd design. IIRC, the early Makitas were 7.2V, they were basically cordless screwdrivers, so I guess the next step was doubling them up to 14.4V until everybody went 18V+ with their NiCd and eventually lithium? I used to have an old cheap Black & Decker 14.4V NiCd drill as well.

My old craftsman drills I got from my step dad are finally dying and won't hold a charge. I'm torn on going ryobi or ridgid. I'm just a home DIYER. My garden shit is already on ryobi 40v do I was leaning them

>>2709968
dewalt bro

Which one of you (literal) Nazi cocksuckers was this?

>>2705811
>utility snowmobile
thats incredible

>>2709968
>>2709982
The DeWalt sales are so good this holiday season that you will end up paying about the same as Ridgid. Although that Ridgid drill + driver kit with 2 free tools for like $350 is all good brushless tools.

Ryobi a best on a budget.

>>2709984
>$15.98 Value!

>>2702311
The only thing that matters is aftermarket support. If you're a contactor, get a tool fleet. If you need tools for home use, grab the cheapest shit and you're good to go. These threads suck, no one cares about your gayass "contractor grade" tools.

t. worked for a big boi power tool company

I went with the $52 ryobi kit with the 2 drills, 2 1.5ah batteries and a charger from doing the return "hack".

>>2710456
>the return "hack"
you mean stealing?

>>2710503
$100 for the drill set and it comes with another free 2.0ah battery. They make it free by discounting both products instead of giving it to you for actually free so you return the extra battery and get $47 or whatever back from it and keep the drills for $52

>>2710456
I got this too but my batteries were both fucked right out of the box.

So I'm getting the Ridgid cock edition instead. A little bit more, but stronger specs, ?maybe better quality, and the Impact has 4 modes vs none on the Ryokans.

>>2704683
>I’m sure Dewalt’s 20V is closer to the M12 Fuel in size.

I'm not super picky, but you're right, they're close. That said, I see DeWalt has a 12v one that looks alright, and a bit more suited to awkward 1-handed work. Anyone used any of their 12v stuff? Might try and grab a light and reciprocating saw in a combo.

>>2710691
If you’re going to buy 12V, M12 is the only lineup worth a damn. Every other 12V lineup has like <10 tools.

But don’t get the 12V as a main lineup, they have some balls compared to old tools but they’re meant to be specialized compact tools for certain jobs, like a sparky or HVAC guy who wants a light impact driver for pulling screws off panels, but the 18V impact is in the van for when he needs to sink anchors and stuff. All of the 18V/20V tools are like twice as powerful as the 12V, and you think the 12V drill is doing ok in aluminum or the hackzall, but if you use the 18/20V right after it, you will see a huge difference.

Also for tools that are sold in 12V and 18V, especially if there’s a subcompact 18V version of the tool, stick a 2.0Ah battery on the thing and it’s not any larger than the 12V. The brushless 18V tools are getting so small.

Pic related is a 12V brushed impact driver in the middle, and then a babby subcompact 18V impact driver with a smaller body that has a good chunk more power, and the 3/8” stubby impact wrench right there is good for like 250ft-lbs.

>>2710691
Also if you’re on DeWalt 20V, there’s seriously no reason to get any 12V tools that are sold under the DeWalt Atomic 20V line.

Pic related shows the M12 Fuel drill, DeWalt Atomic 20V, and Makita 12V. The DeWalt Atomic is smaller than the M12 Fuel, and the brushed non-Fuel M12 is even larger.

Just ordered this from Amazon. What am I in for?

>>2710734
I only need the one battery.
In fact, I only need the one, Initial Charge on it for the lifespan of the tool itself.
Also, my one arm is completely jacked… it’s like twice the size of my other arm now.
… extra income from my circus sideshow act.

t. cybertruck preorderer, cult of musk follower

>>2710917
To be fair, that battery makes more sense where it's meant to be used, on something like a Chainsaw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=TdAIWSkBF50

>>2710906
How much did you pay?

IIRC, those were actually pretty decent mechanic tools like 10+ years ago, but I don’t think that AC Delco brand kept up.

The babby impact drivers are dope to replace a nutdriver and mechanics love the ratchets, but you can often grab the M12 drill, driver, ratchet, and 2 batteries for $150 or the Fuel versions for $200-$230.

>>2710917
They shoulda done that battery on the tiny ass Atomic. The battery is like 8x the length of the tool.

>>2710963

>>2710964
Yeaaa buddy! Charge it the 1st and 15th of every month.

>>2710906
Wew the prices on these things are nearly M12 pricing. I wonder if they use the same batteries as any of the other no-name tools. Only a 1 year warranty too according to an Amazon listing. Hard to tell when those tools were actually released.

>>2710734
Damn, I didn't realize the atomic stuff was that small. My impact is starting to get worn as well. And yeah, I'm already on the 20v stuff. Between a one handed sawzall and a grinder I think the saw might be a better grab, unless I can get both in a deal somewhere (doubtful).

>>2710972
This is the kit I bought a bit over a year ago: https://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-20V-MAX-XR-Hammer-Drill-and-ATOMIC-Impact-Driver-2-Tool-Combo-Kit-with-2-4-0Ah-Batteries-Charger-and-Bag-DCK2050M2/319429226

By itself it's the price of the two bare tools with the batteries, bag, and charger for free, and right now they're throwing in a free tool on top.

>>2710963
The bundle was only $115 but I spent an extra 20 bucks for the 3-year protection plan. I'm not using Milwaukee. Only homosexuals use that stuff.
>>2710967
Two tools, two batteries, a charger, and carry bag at $115 seems like a steal. I just need them for small stuff like skid plates, trim pieces, and air boxes on cars.

>>2710972
what nailer is that? 16 ga? how you like it? I love their pin nailer. I was impressed to see on youtube on the perkins bros channel they were shooting framing nails into oak board and joists and the dewalt cordless framer beat the paslode and the pneumatic at driving nails.

>>2711049
>Says 18 GA Stapler on the side

>>2710917
Kek

>>2702315
I am going to buy the whole 50 tool package from Bedrock because its Black Friday.

>>2711049
Lol, what he >>2711053
said I suppose. That said it works great for what I need it for (mostly nailing sheet metal to campers, among other things). Way less finicky than the new Rigid one we've got floating around. New out of the box it throws random hissyfits and doesn't shoot until you reseat the battery. Meanwhile my DeWalt ran for a decent while on a little 1.6ah battery.

>In other not at all recent news, this is apparently a thing

While i doubt it compares to a good gas mower, is it worth a damn? I feel like for what you'd wind up paying for decent batteries for it you could just as easily buy a gas mower.

>>2711414
Neighbor has one of these DeWalt mowers. It’s a smaller yard but it looks like it gets the job done the same as a smaller-medium gas mower.

I haven’t gone battery powered mower yet because 4 cycles are easier to deal with than little 2 strokes, but I might consider a Ryobi mower whenever my current mower shits out.

warrior corded, or if necessary bauer.
>t. harbor freight adherent

>>2711414
You can get a gas mower free, don’t buy this shit.

Government can shut you off and now you can’t mow , cook or use your power tools.

You can keep a gas mower running forever if you’re not retarded

>>2711635
And here's the conspiracy idiot.

Fun fact, if you're off-grid, a solar system and battery tools will keep you running far longer without having to go into town to get gas.

And if you're urban and lose power, you've got bigger problems than how well-manicured your lawn is.

>>2702311
They’re all exactly the same.

>>2711681
>he doesn’t have his own oil well and distillation facility
ngmi

>>2711681
i'm trying to learn about solar off-grid battery set ups and costs and capabilities.. where should i go to read about this stuff?

>>2711681
What are you talkin’ about electricity to mow your lawn. See picrel. Golf courses use the same technology.

>>2711907
shit yea i want to make a bicycle powered sickle bar mower

very low T thread

>>2711013
Okay so it only came with one battery but the kit had a coupon so I just bought a 4.0 amp battery. Pretty nice kit and its held up very well this past week. One of my co-workers was crapping on them until he used the ratchet and actually liked it. My only issue is they're not brushless so I'm kind of scared of them blowing up on me. Knew a guy who singed all the hair off his arm as it was covered in brake cleaner when he was using a brushed DeWalt gun.

>>2714018
>blowing up on me
That’s gotta be pretty damn rare for mechanics, right? You shouldn’t be coating the tools in brake cleaner either way. Never heard of that issue in a mechanic’s shop with brushed tools. Biggest upside to brushless is the compact size for the power they put out IMO, you can get 300lbs of torque from a ~4” long tool and 600lbs from like 6”, which is super nice on automotive stuff. I don’t think the ratchets would get downsized much from the brushless motor because they don’t rely on a ton of power from that motor anyway.

>>2711681
You need to connect your panels to the grid or code enforcement comes by and tickets you

>>2714192
Sure, if you live somewhere connected to the grid. If you're going off-grid, then obviously that is not going to happen.

>>2714018
Brushed, especially corded ones, usually outlast the brushless.
They didn’t start using brushless for reliability, they purportedly used it because it was less drag and, allegedly, leads to more efficient use of the battery’s charge. I think that’s bullshit, however.

Brushless has a lot more complicated electronics in them causing premature death of the tool.

All the new appliances I got were all digitally controlled and had microprocessors in them, and that’s what failed after 2 or 3 years. The old appliances I gave away (because my wife didn’t like the color) are still working!

Same thing with power tools, every year they be ome more fragile. I suspect one day, you’ll go and pick up your impact driver, and you can’t use it for an hour because it’s doing a windows update. Or you were over your impact count quota on your monthly service plan to use the tool.

>>2714225
Or you're full of shit.

>>2714240
No, that’s not it.
You seem bitter. Did you get scammed on software controlled gadgets too?

>>2714256
No, I just think there's no truth to your claims. Brushed tools inherently lose a lot of power to friction, which also means they heat up more in use and will burn out if you push them as hard as you can brushless tools. Maybe you got one or two bad ones, or your experience with brushless is Harbor Freight garbage.

>>2714263
I’m a shill for brushless tools because so many of them are like 30% smaller and 50% more powerful, but the gay thing is the whole circuitboard is a real potential source of failure. They’re not fragile by any means, but every component on that board is one more possible failure point, so it can be harder to diagnose.

They still offer good warranties on these tools. But the one thing that’s gay is the price on a replacement if the board burns up. It’s often the whole assembly from the battery up including the trigger and the wires that go to the motor. They’re often at least half the price of a whole new bare tool. So if your drill dies because of the board and you’re not about to replace a mosfet or whatever, do you spend $90 on the replacement part or $150 on a whole new tool? A dead trigger on a brushed tool will probably be <$20 shipped.

Brushless isn’t much more unreliable, but it’s more to troubleshoot and repair compared to the basic cheap switches on brushed tools.

>>2702311
Einhell but import them from germany so you get the ones made in germany.
Everything else is chinesium trash.

>>2702311
Ryobi hands down if you're just a diy-er. People talk shit because they look like nerf toys but the quality to price ratio is unmatched. If you actually work in the field and of the big three are acceptable. I bought into Makita myself and have zero complaints.

>Borrow my friend's beat to shit DeWalt impact for work
>Barely any power, trash battery life, and kept overheating
>Upgrade to a compact Kobalt impact
>LED didn't work out of the box and the power sucked
>Drop that and go with Ridgid instead
>Great at everything and gets the job done
Finally found my brand. Didn't like the orange at first but it's really grown on me. Wondering which tool I should get next.

>>2716144
Make sure you register that bitch within 90 days of purchase if you want the lifetime coverage.

Bought some Makita kits because 60% discount. For my first proper cordless setup they're pretty great, impact driver works like a charm with DeWalt bits.
Got a shit ton of the little Ryobi USB Lithium lights and a rotary tool to clean car parts. Fucking amazing investment, those lights with the 3Ah batteries on rotation give me bright light wherever I need it.
Long term I'll probably go DeWalt for tools, have a couple corded ones and they seem decent. Makita 18v circular saw is great for rip cuts.

>>2716150
I admire you bepis, but I take a bit of pride in my space, it's what I spend my time looking at, why don't you?

>>2716162
Function breh

>>2715621
>ryobi looks like nerf

>>2716150
>>2716162
>>2716176
samefag

>>2716234
Nah, I asked Bepis.

>>2716144
Kobalt has stupid amount of power for the cost. Are you sure you aren't just retarded?

I want a cordless circular saw to break down pallets

I have the ridgid battery system

>>2716504
did you think this was your email to santa

>>2716721
Nah was asking for advice on any the best black Friday deals and possibly blades for this setup.

Diablo blade + Rigid 7 1/4 ?

>>2716263
He did a compact one and then looked in the mirror and saw he wasn’t a lesbian and has no reason being at Lowe’s so he returned it.

>>2716234
Almost, except for that one post without a tripcode. 2/3.

>>2716504
>>2716736
Sure, if you’re already on that platform. There’s the beast rear handle 7-1/4” and an 8.0 battery that’s expensive, or the regular 7-1/4” brushless which you can get with 2 batteries for likr $170 right now, or the 6-1/2” brushless because it should still rip through pallets ok but will be less powerful.

Diablo blades are straight. There’s a couple well-reviewed nail strike blades, I think the Crescent blades were one and they’re fairly cheap, which is good because you want to find the balance where they’re cheap enough to replace easily when they get dull but aren’t so cheap that they’re shit after 4 cuts. Lowe’s has Spyder blades for cheap on the endcaps and shit too, those would be good.

>>2716504
if you use sawzall you can cut the nails and get longer boards

>>2716831
That there is a hackzall.

>>2716831
At this rate I would just hit it with a flat bar.

>>2709968
You can get aftermarket batteries and stuff on Amazon for cheap. I just resurrected an old Craftsman set I had, 19.2v drill/light/saw, that was still in good shape but the nicad batteries died eons ago...

>>2710731
>If you’re going to buy 12V, M12 is the only lineup worth a damn. Every other 12V lineup has like <10 tools.
I'm in HVAC, looking at the Makita subcompact 18v tools; they literally cram the 18v guts into a shell the size of their 12 volt line up, uses the same batteries as any other 18v.

I'm grabbing their drill and impact gun while they're on sale, haven't had a makita shit the bed on me yet and while I have my doubts about the form factor it would be nice to shed a couple pounds from my go bag and be able to get into tighter spaces with my drill.

>>2717430
Go for it.

I got the orange subcompact drill + driver impact kit, mostly because I wanted a couple of 2.0Ah batteries for smaller jobs and it came with the free stubby impact, thinking that the drill and impact driver would mostly be a backup. I ended up using them way more than expected, the impact driver lives in my go-bag and I use the drill whenever I’m doing <3/8” holes in wood.

>>2717430
The 12v Milwaukee never got used at the machine shop I worked at

Everyone was grabbing the 18v big ass extended battery, then if you were slow to the battery crib the 18v standard size

Then people would walk all the way over to the dewalt crib to grab those


I think I’ve only really see the office guys who don’t know how to turn on a lathe or or to identify aluminum or stainless use those m12 and ryobi bright green tools

Idk if that means anything I don’t know shit about power tools but I know I really like the Milwaukee drills idk why

Maybe it’s the light, maybe it’s the power but I gravitate more towards those than any other tool in the shop

>>2717736
That's what's fun about the Makita 18v subcompact stuff, uses the same batteries and has similar capacity to the bigger tools but it's a lot smaller, easier to move and easier to work with. Still brushless, still plenty rugged, honestly the only thing that irks me is the plastic chuck and that's more of a preference thing than anything else.

If I was doing a shit ton of drilling, cutting holes or needed a heavy duty tool I would have got a full size tool, but for what I expect to need as an HVAC tech working in tight spaces I think these were a great pick.

>>2706308
Love my Metabo HPT stuff. The tools are near the top of their classes perfomance wise and cost half of what milwaukee and makita do. Had a charger that got looped into a kit doa and the warranty was seemless.

They have almost constant free battery or tool promotions so it costs a fraction of other brands to build up a fleet.

>>2703647
>>2703647
Amazon.jp

Most sellers ship to the US and it's straight up Amazon. Your account won't transfer but making a new one is super easy and everything translates to english for the most part in the app.
Just wrapped up their black Friday sales so you are a bit late to the table.

>>2717911
Everything you said here pretty much describes DeWalt, except DeWalt has far more tools available.

And the Milwaukee and Makita prices are full bare tool prices compared to your Metabo HPT clearance pricing. I think there’s a reason they’re selling so cheap, gotta clear them out and make space for the newest Flex offerings!

>>2717971

Dewalt is shit and costs twice as much bare tool to bare tool. If you need a pipe threader or drain snake you need to pay out the nose for milwaukee or makita

>>2718011
>Literally same or lower pricing for often a better tool as what Milwaukee has
>Makita's garbage 18/36v segmentation delivers shit performance in 18V tools and massive overpricing in the 36

DeWalt might not have the specific tool you need, but for a lot of trades they're directly competitive with Milwaukee.

>>2718020
Dewalt breaks too easily imo

>>2718056
Stop dropping tools from the roof.

>>2702311
I only buy ryobi because i like green

>>2717911
second metabo. I will always see if they have a tool available to complement the other brands i have. Sometimes you need a really nice tool but sometimes you just need one to get the job done. When i looked at oscillators i saw the makita at $180 and the metabo at 80 or 90? The dewalt was never even an option.. But the metabo was a no-brainer for a tool i don't actually enjoy using that much.. It's actually really nice for an oscillator. Their nailers receive good reviews. I like their framing nailer for simple shit where you don't want to get out a compressor and cords and hoses. Supposedly their 18/16 ga nailers really excel. Their grinders are always highly rated. Their triple hammer impact has a lot of people talking about it. They have a 4000 lumen work light on sale now i'm thinkin about, and the little blower is on sale too.

>>2709669
battery sizes back then were determined by their voltage more so than now
the more voltage, the less sag because more batteries in series. there was almost never parallel configs back then.
12v tools would be 10 cells in series while 14 would be 12, its two more.
the packaging internally may be different and offer larger cells vs the 12v. iirc the dewalt 12v batteries definitely were smaller cells than their 18v, so the 14.4 ones could use the 18v cells but at a reduced count to keep costs down for a more prosumer oriented line. it also is physically lighter so idk

Did Milwaukee go out and destroy every Jobsite Organizer in circulation to force everyone to switch over to Packout?

I know they were discontinued a couple of years ago but its crazy how there are none floating around for sale, nothing on Ebay, Craigslist, Facebook, etc. I just want one box but its like they all turned to dust.

I have a lot of dewalt and the only issue so far has been the whipper snipper (string trimmer) failing once, being warrantied and then failing again.

For $300 AUD I can live with it failing once per year because I used it in lieu of a lawn mower for those two years and it got used and abused.

Got the 18v dewalt mower and so far it's working good but I've heard it's weak as piss like the snipper.

>>2718605
>whipper snipper (string trimmer)
Weed Whacker. And you're only supposed to use those to trim hard to reach areas, not cut the whole lawn.

>>2702379
inshallah they will get one

Is this a good deal?

Ridgid :

1: 6” circle saw
2: 1/2” drill
3: 2ah battery
4: 4ah battery
5: charger

$179.99 all brushed

https://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-18V-Cordless-1-2-in-Drill-Driver-and-6-1-2-in-Circular-Saw-Combo-Kit-with-2-0-Ah-and-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-and-Bag-R9207/315110229?source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&pla&mtc=SHOPPING-BF-CDP-GGL-D25T-025_009_PORT_POWER-NA-Multi-NA-PMAX-NA-NA-NA-NA-NBR-NA-NA-NA-PortPower&cm_mmc=SHOPPING-BF-CDP-GGL-D25T-025_009_PORT_POWER-NA-Multi-NA-PMAX-NA-NA-NA-NA-NBR-NA-NA-NA-PortPower-71700000113152329--&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADq61UcuyGeFPR-Xv3IPOFFi2KiEE&gclid=CjwKCAiAvJarBhA1EiwAGgZl0KbH0bEH7POdri6-Q7SHkllCAnFKEJqqd9w27vqRhljxeOePDl_jARoCkYMQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

>>2718950
brush my balls

>>2718950
Damn, back in 2016 when i worked at Home Depot i bought my dad an 18v Ridgid set for Christmas. brushless hammer drill, brushless 7-1/4 circular saw, 2.0ah and 4.0ah batteries and charger for $150. Seems like Ridgid has gone downhill since then.

>>2719006
Inflation is real. Look at the shitty sales on Kobalt this year, and it’s like $350 for the brushless drill and impact driver and there’s two free tools with that. That’s also Ridgid’s newer budget brushed tools.

Can’t remember when I got my starter kit, maybe 2018 or 2019 and that was $199 for the hammer drill, impact driver, free orbital sawzall, and 2x4.0s. Those were all brushless.

>>2718950
Depends what your upgrading from. As a Ridgid owner, I might suggest Ryobi if you’re getting into DIY. You could probably get Ryobi HP brushless stuff for the same money and their lineup is way larger, plus when you need to get those twice a year DIYer tools like maybe a compact router, Ryobi will sell you a good enough brushed model for ~$70 while the Ridgid option is going to be built for a jobsite and cost $150-$180 dor a compact router.

Also that saw will have its limits. Brushless on saws makes a big difference. A Ryobi HP 7-1/4” brushless circ saw will replace a corded saw, while the budget brushsd 6-1/2” Ridgid may stall out if you hit a knot on some 2x__ lumber.

>>2719118
Kobalt had better sales earlier in the year. Though I did pick up the 3 piece casestack set for 119$

>>2719006
Ridgid had a special relationship with HD at the time too. Those were back when you could just do an over the counter exchange.

Then the hispanics abused it

any decent pneumatic impact drivers i can run off a pancake compressor? and what do i look for to ensure it doesn't need ridiculous air flow? i don't need a fuckton of tourque and will rarely use the thing, but still kinda need.

>>2719403
>impact driver
You mean wrench? Just buy cordless unless you’re going to get a big 240V or gas compressor. Most air tools besides nail guns and tiny paint guns draw way too much air for any compressor that isn’t 240V or gas if you want the thing to work properly. You could get a smaller 3/8” impact wrench but power is going to drop off fast if the nut or bolt isn’t removed immediately, and it’s going to take a few minutes to recover, and then you burn out the compressor running it constantly.

>>2719403
You can just get an extra tank if you want a bigger buffer. I keep a pressurized extra tank anyway in case i need to fill tires without the compressor.

I have a couple of cordless impact wrenches, but the batteries are end-of life for that series and always dead every time I’ve needed them for that one nut I can’t break on rusty winter car rims.

>>2719454
Breh, if you’re running some old NiCd cordless gun, I’m going to have to shill you on a new one. You can get a mid torque 1/2” from a handful of decent brands for like $150 with a battery and charger, and those >500lb mid torques will be more compact and twice as powerful as whatever last gen gun you’re trying to use.

>>2719403
I don't think there are pneumatic impact drivers but if you want to run air tools you really need a big tank so that your pressure doesn't instantly fall through the floor when you pull the triggers.