/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>2023476
It is very viable* plan, fren.

*as long as you double or triple the budget for maintaining the thing. It cost a lot to seal a leakage every other month or to change something broken too.

When I was 14 I had the same dream

>>2023476
>How viable is living in a cabin in a large greenhouse?
Yes it is viable, but like most things in the building industry it all comes down to money.
When you put a house inside a greenhouse the price per square foot goes up.

A whole thread that would catch all you rejects of society into one van loving, box reinforcing, newspaper stuffing, half assing it lump of retard? You got a deal Howie!

>>2023476
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30ghnDOFbNQ
Comfy.

Turning all boards into containers for generals is retarded and R*ddit cancer

In a greenhouse? Too hot. Pipe dream is a greenhouse, with home underground, and a big tower.

>>2023476
>living in a cabin in a large greenhouse
you would overheat and die you silly sod

>>2023476
>living in a cabin in a large greenhouse
So long as you call it either Ol' Musty or Lil Moldy

>>2023476
This would be incredibly healthy. You want your bare skin exposed to amplified UV radiation as much as possible.

>>2023510
Go away you angry drunk

>>2023853
>You want your bare skin exposed to amplified UV radiation as much as possible.
Greenhouses don't amplify UV radiation dummy.

>>2023853
>amplify radiation
>amplify retardation

>>2023476
Just watch biodome and call it a night bro

>>2023510
have fun living from mortgage to mortgage...

>>2023917
kek

polytunnel is actually doable as a retard and cheap to maintain

>>2024514
>polytunnel is actually doable as a retard and cheap to maintain
Any chance it would offgas VOCs in hot weather?

>>2023476
SOMEONE KILL ME PLEASE
Wife and I are trying to buy a house. Here's what we're running into -

Wanna buy a 400,000 house? Here's what you're gonna need -

$40,000 - Down payment (10%)
$9,000 - Lender fees, preloading property taxes, PMI, home owners insurance for 3 month, etc.)
$49,000 - TOTAL needed to secure the loan

Ok cool, we have $58k no problem we can do that. But wait for the house you're looking at you still need -

$500 - Appraisal
$500 - Inspection
$500 - Sewer inspection
$1,000 - earnest money you loose if you decide to not buy the house
$2,500 - TOTAL EXTRA WHEN YOU CLOSE

Ok, so like we need 51,500. We can still do that

But WAIT! Houses are selling for more than they're worth right now! You're gonna need to offer 25k over asking price! And guess what? IF THE HOUSE DOESN'T APPRAISE AT 425K, THEN YOU'RE ONLY GETTING THE LOAN FOR 400K AND YOU BETTER HAVE AN EXTRA 25K LAYING AROUND TO COVER! AND GUESS WHAT ELSE? IF YOU DON'T, THEN YOU LOOSE THE $1,000 EARNEST MONEY. NOW YOU HAVE NO HOUSE, AND YOU'RE $1,000 FURTHER AWAY FROM GETTING ONE!!!

FUCK why is the housing market so COMPETITIVE???

RRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

>>2023476
Price to build a house? $175 per square foot

Price to build a barndominium? $90 per square foot

Why would anyone ever build a wooden house when they can get a metal one that will never rot for half the price? The interiors look the same, it's just half the price!!!

>>2026769
Here in Europe we have this thing where you have 6 weeks to get your loan secured and if it fails (but you can show proof of effort) the contract is void and you pay €0.
Downpayment is 10%, but the bank will pay it forward once you show them that you’ve secured the loan.
Appraisal will almost always confirm your bid unless you go way overboard, since they look at the market as well.

€300k house means you need €10k cash

>>2026769
>FUCK why is the housing market so COMPETITIVE???
People are fleeing the cities because they are locked down. Money is cheap because of QE requiring low interest rates.

Would you consider buying a house which is in a state of high disrepair, then choosing to live in it without renovation but instead using alternative compensation means to be a form of Alternative Housing?

Say an example like this house which sold for $18,500. The owner plans on spending 100k in renovations. But what you just... didn't do that?

The house has been standing for decades. It would probably stand for many more years without doing much of anything to it. What if you just did as much cleaning as you can, covered up any dangerous elements, and then just moved in?

Say an example like this house which sold for $18,500. The owner plans on spending 100k in renovations. But what if you just... didn't do that?

https://youtu.be/YD_AyFEaWwU

The house has been standing for decades. It would probably stand for many more years without doing much of anything to it. What if you just did as much cleaning as you can, covered up any dangerous elements, and then just moved in?

>>2026855
You could do that, but structural repairs are expensive, and if the roof has been compromised they could be pretty pressing. Get the house inspected before you buy it and try to find a good balance between structural stability and the chance of dying in a ghetto.

>>2026882
How run down do you think a person could get away for occupancy?

I think you'd constantly have issues with the city. So probably best choice is to look for a house in the country if you're going to try this.

>>2023476
how retarded are you to waste space, resources and money growing fucking grass.

You don't need fucking grass, it is an outdated useless custom that people do.
Just put down a wood deck or something that doesn't need as much water and maintenance like a cool species of moss.

>>2026769
Here in EU in some states is illegal to live outside the city network
Oh cool, I found a nice country cottage with 1/4 acre near a quite village - guess what, its illegal to live there, you have to pay the county fees to change the land status to residential, after that becomes illegal to have a building for living, without running water from the state department and electricity, heh guess what, you have to pay for the companies to build the infrastructure to your address, what? you want a road, sure buddy, but you can't pave it yourself, either wait 18 months for approval or hire a company? what there are only 2 licsensed companies around? yeah that would be around 20k for the road, no, not total, just fees and taxes, we charge about 200 m2 otherwise

You'd be amazed how good you have it, ameribro, we are kings of being cucked by the system here.

What do you think of concrete domes?

>>2026934
what if me and my dog like playing in grass

>>2026855
That doesn't look half bad desu. The main thing to worry about is mold/water damage, which if you just cover it up will come right back and slowly poison you. Replacing insulation yourself isn't terribly expensive, but is a PITA and you need to fix the roof first or it'll ruin the new insulation too.

>>2026961
why have they made such laws? What was the intention?

If no one is living in the property then it's fine as is, but the second someone actually moves in the city will condemn the house as unsafe to occupy and they'll kick you out until all necessary renovations are met. There's a reason it's for sale, and there's a reason no one is living there. We had a customer at work rent one of our mini excavators and go knock down the house of an old lady because it was in such disrepair the city condemned it/deemed it unsafe to inhabit and she couldn't afford to fix it. She ended up having to go live with her daughter. It's sad, but what if the house was to catch on fire because rats chewed up the wiring and then it burned down other houses next to it? Or what if it was to fall over and crush the house next to it? Or what if it fell down with her inside? There's a reason houses get condemned. It's for the safety of the inhabitant, and the safety of the surrounding property owners. Even if the houses around it are shitty, they don't belong to you and you have no right to destroy them by extension of your house falling on them, catching on fire, etc. You can buy that house, but don't expect to move in until all necessary repairs are done.

>>2026961
EU here too, in my country it's pretty much the same shit, but there are loopholes everywhere, so you can tell the government to fuck right off.
For example while it's illegal to have your residency and live in a cabin in the woods or whatever, as long as you have another address given as a primary residency, you can have a "vacation residence" that doesn't have to comply with all this regulatory bullshit.

In short, tell the government you live with your brother or whatever, then do your own business in the middle of nowhere if you want. They have no way to prove you are lying, since for that they would have to prove that you are more than 6 months in a year in this secondary housing.

And I'm not even starting on the hoops I have to jump through for my guns.

>>2026961
one of the rare areas in which the uk is based. If there has ever been a residence on a site you have a right to rebuild it if you own the land.

>>2026769
Answer; Buy a more affordable property. My house cost less than 100k. I have the money to pay off the loan note in 3 more paychecks.

>>2027439 was meant for >>2026855

>>2026855
There's no substitute for knowledge. Best to do that shit in the country and the best way to do it is buy something with enough land you can place a trailer or RV to live in then renovate the house.

If you're poor, stop being poor or you'll never get anywhere. You don't need to be rich but you do need to become a DIY beast to get the most from your income.

>>2026978
Expensive but great for wildfire areas. If you're serious you will study enough to answer your own questions and you'll study enough variety to make an informed comparison.
Take the time you waste on conventional entertainment and study construction and DIY. Your life will be much better for it as you'll be able to choose what will best suit your opportunities.

>>2027722
This, and with it paid off you can retire early. I did same as you and retired at 47.

>>2027722
My wife and I live in a house that cost $150k and if we really gave a shit and buckled down we could have it paid off in 24 months. But it's like .11 acres which is way to small for us. We want a decent sized house on some land that close to the capital of our state so we understand we're gonna have to pony up some cash and we're ok with that. In only 7 years our house has gone up in value to be worth $225k (every year it went up $10k in value) so we have some equity to apply towards our next house. But in my current house without even leaving my garage and stepping a single foot on the driveway I can literally count 8 houses. My wife and I both grew up in the country. I was on 24 acres and she was on 100 acres, so we miss the space. Also I need a bigger shop, we want to plant a garden, park a trailer/boat/camper on the land and have enough parking for 4 cars (us and two kids some day). But we also wanna be able to go into town and do stuff. Fuck man, our generation is getting butt fucked on housing. The dollar just doesn't go as far as it used to. I have NO idea how our kids are gonna afford to buy a house.

Let's talk underground homes.
Shipping containers are retarded and box culvert is somewhat less retarded.
But what about treating it like one big basement?
Wouldn't building it like a conventional basement be cheaper and require less maintenance etc?

>>2026934
Thank you!!!! Who the fuck wants to spend their whole weekend on a lawn anyways?

>>2026775
barndominium has got to be the most repulsive name for a home you could have called that

>>2026769
Banks realized they can basically print money by over-lending people. Hard to buy a house for 20k when everyone else is bring 100k to the table thanks to mr. goldstein. It’s impossible to buy a house without a ridiculous life ending loan nowadays intentionally.

>>2026775
I was an ironworker and a metal building erector. I would never pay for, let alone LIVE IN one of these piece of shits

>>2026855

Enjoy crackheads moving in with you

>>2026769
Write a contingency in your offer that the home must come back with an inspection thats favorable to your standards, and appraise for the offer price. Then you dont lose your earnest money silly.

>>2026978
Never lived in a concrete dome but I lived in a condo midrise with concrete floors, ceiling and pillars. The bad part is that you can't modify much once everything is built so you need to really think out your interior. Drywall of course can be torn down and walls rebuilt in different layouts but anything that runs through the concrete such as utility conduits are insanely difficult to relocate.
The good part was thermal loading. The concrete tended to moderate temperature swings between day and night or even between days. I usually didn't have to turn on the heat until part way through winter because so much thermal energy had been absorbed during the warmer months. In the spring the floors took a while to absorb enough heat to not be cold to walk on but that didn't last too long. This was in Georgia. In other parts of the country with less or more thermal energy, the utility of the concrete storing heat might be completely different.

I really like curved metal buildings.
Storm tested, and easy to assemble

>>2030176
I looked into underground houses because I'm somewhat sensitive to noise so having lots of dirt between me and the world seemed like a good thing. Most underground homeowners report that it really does work for that purpose though if you bring in things that make noise like refrigerators and air conditioners, you've ruined that isolation. Good thing is in most of the country you'll never need an AC underground.
The biggest issue almost everywhere is moisture. No matter how many barriers are erected, there's always moisture seeping in somehow. And if you get things really wrong or something simply changes the flow of water on the surface nearby, you can suddenly have a flood of water leaking in.
I did see an intriguing property a year or so ago where someone built a large daylight basement with the intention of building a huge house on top of it. Don't know if they ran out of money or if the person contracting the home build died, but it was put on the market with the basement completely finished but with no house on top of it. There was a full kitchen, bathroom, and everything. They also put a roof on it. And since it was a daylight basement, it had a patio with a nice view. But because it was so unconventional, there was no way to get a mortgage for it. You'd have to get a construction loan and actually build something on top of it. Since I didn't have the cash to buy it, I passed.

>>2030490
That's how the first subprime mortgage crash happened though

>>2030490
I dont think you understand how fiance and monetary policy actually work.

>>2028265
where teh fuck do you live? Even in MO I cant find for 150k unless im in bumfuck no where with a +1hr commute to shitzberg

>>2026978
Sounds like a terrible idea. Concrete is a sponge and I wouldn't want a sponge acting as a roof. I'm sure you can put some plastic derivate underneath and spend tens of thousand of dollars on waterproofing and insulation, but it's still a silly idea that only makes the whole house more expensive and complicated.

Also, it depends where you build. In a swampy area it will suck up moisture, in a cold area it will be impossible to heat up all of that mass during winter. It might be viable in a hot, dry place with proper insulation/decoupling of internal and external walls.

>>2027278
Corruption mostly. These companies (water, electricity, pavement...) are owned by friends of governors, at least in my country, and they need to do stupid ass projects to earn money, and to launder money too. It's also a reinforcement to local companies or some shit, but that's just how they promote it.
Also, building contractors are the ones who rule here, and they influence the government. For example, you can have a really large estate, or be in posession of a hill. But, unless you have power, you WON'T live there, because that terrain "is not buildable, for your own safety". Things change when a company asks them to do it. It doesn't matter wether you're in a national park, or in the middle of the beach, they move some strings, and build shitty houses no one buys.

>>2030176
what if you made something like a Hobbit house? Build a structure and then move enough earth to build a hill around it. So you walk in the door, but everything else is under at least a couple feet of earth? If you get your ventilation right and have enough earth on top, you might get a pretty good compromise of features/issues.

>>2026978
I'm just thinking of the problem the Dymaxion House had: the walls are round, but furniture and appliances are square.

>>2033074
Use absorbtion refrigerator.

>>2023510
spoken like a true bank cuck. go pay your mortgage.

>>2033718
Like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix11VQ8f7uY
Try not to be distracted by the badonkadonk and jubblies.

>>2026961
>>2027649
Can you say which countries? Not everywhere in the EU is the same

>>2034309
damn, that IS distracting. I like the idea.

>>2034309
she talks about getting snow, but holy shit, I see no insulation anywhere. In the back, whatever, but in the front it's just OSB and siding?! What magical mountain is this where that all doesn't freeze immediately in bad weather?

>>2034309
That looks so dangerous and uncomfortable.
A bed next to an unsealed door? You can even see light through the cracks.

Also, in what country can you just put storage as an "afterthought" instead of filling that space with dirt and call it "permitted"? Where I'm from that would invalidate the entire building - such a huge modification. They also put heating elements in that cramped spot next to a living space with exposed raw wood.

That looks like a nightmare to live in even for a couple of days, and likely won't last more than a few years before crumbling down. It is a nice work of art though.

>>2034459
>>2034431
>>2034309
This lady has all the hallmarks of a trust-fund kid with minimal experience and an audience. That house looks like she did a couple things right, and a lot of things wrong. Her entire video was a showcase for her tits and ass, because the execution of that house was pretty fucking substandard. I am stunned that that thing passed permit at ALL. It's like someone wanted to build a playhouse for their kid and had more budget than they knew what to do with.

It's probably not registered as a dwelling. It's a semi-rural county and the property is off-grid so they might allow accessory buildings without a primary dwelling especially if the land is zoned agricultural. The county inspector likely isn't going to give the lady with nice T&A much trouble as long as she agrees to not live there permanently.

>>2034500
Ok, I take all of this back. The house is on AirBNB and booked through November so it must be permitted as a habitable dwelling. That county claims on their website to require compliance with the International Building Code and the amendments by the State of Washington. Given that the video has over ten million views, the county must be aware of the house.

recently I've been wanting to build a house inside a big garage. that way I can park inside, have a work shop, then walk upstairs to my house and look down at my workshop rather than a yard. also privacy cause fuck people looking at me and shit

>>2034844
Maybe the county just doesn't care.
Many people living in rural areas would laugh at you if you asked about building permits and such.

>>2034870
Quite possibly. Lots of rural counties take a "as long as no one complains" attitude to this kind of thing. Also it might be in compliance. I'm giving the guys upthread complaining about the construction the benefit of the doubt but maybe they're wrong about it not meeting code.

>>2034854
thats the dream, man. wall to wall tools and a couple of lifts.

>>2026769
I bought a nice little place for 55000 USD in the South in December. It's nothing fancy just a modest 2 bed 1 bath. Made in the 50s. Brick Veneer. Only one neighbor. .5 acre. Certainly needs some TLC but I'm very glad to have purchased it I think houses are only going to grow in price any time soon. Only thing I'll bitch about is the woodburning fireplace smoke shelf that turned into dust and I have to rebrick it so the damper shuts properly. Otherwise I put a new roof on with new flashings and updated the crawlspace. Attic insulation is up next after the fireplace. About 63000 in total now.

Consider the South anon.

>>2035248
How is the area for teen gun crime?

>>2035622
Town of 2500 so none to really speak of but the closest city has pretty bad crime for the area. It's about 30 minutes North of here. The orcs tend to settle there.

>>2034854
So a carriage house with an inlaw loft apartment.
That's my plan for a garage.

>>2026769
Lmao have fun being broke forever to afford the house you retard.

>>2030493
Why?

>>2033473
It'll be how the second subprime mortgage crash happens too.

can you park a bunch of those fema trailers next to each other and cut a hole in the walls and bridge them? or am i a big dumdum poop head

Sure but it's going to be easier to park them near each other with the doors aligned and then build an enclosed walkway between the units. Typically there will be two doors at opposite ends of the trailer. In some cases there might be a third door, which would give you some more configuration options for how you arrange the joined trailers.
Keep in mind that you'll want the gap between trailers to be large enough for the windows to receive light and for the enclosed walkways to have doors if you've attached walkways to all of the trailer doors.

>>2038237
How do I qualify for one of these?

I just wanna dig a hole and live there but it keeps collapsing

>>2026769
>Wife and I are trying to buy a house.
Now is one of the worst possible times to buy a house. Wait a few years until he next bubble pops and it will get better.

>>2038834
Make yourself unemployable through criminal convictions.

>>2034309
That's a secondary residence.

>>2026769
>But WAIT! Houses are selling for more than they're worth right now!
No, it's just what they're worth now. We've added around 40 million people to the population in the last 15 or so years. All those people gotta live somewhere and they're buying up all the affordable properties. Every single immigrant that comes to the country is competition for housing. That's why housing is wildly expensive in areas with lots of immigrants like California. The prices aren't going to go down. It's not a bubble like the housing crisis where a bunch of dumb boomers took out ARM loans and got foreclosed when their interest adjusted. Nowadays a lot of the property is just being bought up as a rental investment and the prices will never go down if the investors never sell (this is what happened in New York).

>>2039079
>It's not a bubble
Right. Just like the last one wasn't. And the one before that, and the one before that, and the one before that.

>>2039079
>No, it's just what they're worth now.
>Bubbles don't exist

Yeah, if you haven't been watching the news for the last year, the response to the pandemic issues included the lowering of mortgage rates to absurdly low rates and a huge exodus of people from large cities as the economy adjusted to a big wave of work from home jobs.
Both of these factors created a large surge in house prices in most areas of the USA that will probably get tempered as the economy picks up again and rates either get cut or the true economic fallout of the shutdown kicks in once people nationwide don't have forclosure and eviction amnesty anymore.
If it weren't for the federal govt giving people handouts this year, housing prices would have tanked almost nationwide

>The prices aren't going to go down
That's what the boomers said in 2007

>>2039079
>why housing is wildly expensive in areas with lots of immigrants like California.
This is 100% false. Housing is expensive in California because home owners have to compete with the tech bros and airbnb renters.

>>2033637
I live in Texas and I'm trying to buy a place around Austin that's like a half an acre, 1,600+ square feet or more and 20 minutes from town for $425k or less. It's next to impossible. Sure you can buy a smaller house for much less, but then you run out of room quick and I want space for toys and a shop. Like damn dude, it shouldn't be that hard to own a half acre next to a decent town where you'll actually have opportunities, vs living in some cheap house in the middle of nowhere and you'll have to commute 40 minutes to get to work. It's Austin, not New York. Goddamn Californians are buying up the real estate moving here to work at the new Tesla plant opening up, and they're paying cash which makes it really hard to be competitive. Pretty lame when a native Texan can't even get a house in his own state. And yes there are cheaper houses, but owing LAND is everything. I can buy 2x4s at Home Depot and spruce up any place, but I can't by more land. So having some land close to town is key

>>2033637
Sorry I just re-read that. I live in San Antonio and I bought my house in 2013 for $150k. It was built in 1986 and it's in a cul-de-sac in a neighborhood on 0.11 acres. 1,700 square feet, two story. Today my 150k house is worth 225k. I die every time I see those numbers. If I was a first time home buyer and had to come up with 225k today and all that would get me is my current house, I would want to kill myself. The housing market is fucked.

>>2039103
>half an acre
>1,600+ square feet or more
>20 minutes from Austin
>$425k
Gee I wonder why that's hard to find. It's not like there isn't 200000 other people in Austin who want the same thing.

>>2039100
That's only in small areas. There are over 14 million houses in California. How many AirBnBs do you think there are? They're just a convenient scapegoat. Same with the tech sector. The rest of California is owned by landlords renting out to 5 people splitting rent, usually immigrants.

>>2030481
That is literally what they are called, or a "barndo" for short

>>2039092
Eviction amnesty disappearing wont change anything. Landlords will still just sit on their property. There isn't going to be a mass wave of foreclosures again in the near future. If anything, people getting mortgages with rock bottom interest rates secures that.

>>2039109
When people say housing is expensive in California they aren't talking about Weaverville, they are talking about places people actually want to live.

>>2030493
Why not? I hear they are supposed to be cheaper and just as good.

>>2038834
Fuck's sake boys, looks like we got a new resident

>>2039079
This is sadly the truth. It's crazy to me that I pay $1,250 a month for the $150k house I'm buying, when two houses down the people there are paying $1,650 a month to rent their house. It's literally cheaper to buy, but unfortunately not everyone will qualify for a mortgage.

>>2039115
There's 1.4 million households in Los Angeles with an average price of $800k. How many do you think are AirBnB or tech? Not even remotely close to the total. Again, you're falling for a scapegoat. There are around 2.2 million illegal immigrants in California, not even counting legal first generation immigrants and refugees, they are competing for houses and are willing to live several families to a home. That's what is driving up housing prices.

>>2039108
There were 3 houses in Manchaca (just south of Austin) a few months ago, all in the $365k - $380k range, all half an acre or more, all 20 mins from Austin. Then the dang Californians started buying up stuff and now it's fucking nuts. My realtor and lender both said it turned into the god damn wild wild west over night. $600k houses selling for $725k ($125k over!!!) , a couple in our similar situation put 6 offers on 6 different houses all 20k over asking price and didn't get a single one. One house had 96 offers in 90 minutes. 96 FREAKING OFFERS ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? How the hell am I supposed to compete with that??? God damn Californians, GO HOME NO BODY WANTS YOU HERE

>>2039133
>you're falling for a scapegoat.
>proceeds to name his favorite scapegoat
Right, gotcha

>>2026855
Bought for $18,500 and loan for 100,000 for renovations to make it habitable? Miby doable at a stretch and over a number of phases of construction/refurbishment.
But the renovations on that place are 150,000 + and more, if she wants to get the finish she's looking for (i dought it will be any time soon)

>>2039153
>There are a million illegal immigrants in LA
>There are only 1.4 million households in LA
>This couldn't possibly adversely affect housing prices anon, it's gotta be the the 24,000 AirBnBs in LA doing it!
Use your fucking brain anon.

>>2039159
Each immigrant buys it's own house, one per immigrant, right ?

>>2039164
No. Illegal immigrants can't afford $800k houses. Investors buy the houses and rent to several illegals who all pool their money to live there a roommates. This means that the baseline monthly mortgage price is now set at what several people can afford, as if a house is on market for anything less an investor will buy it to rent it out for profit.

>>2039170
We get it. You hate people with dark skin. Please don't pretend this hatred is rational.

>>2039177
So now we're at the point where you can't refute logic so you assume I hate people based on their skin color. No, anon, I hate them because they are here illegally, there's too many of them and it's fucking up housing prices because no sane landlord is going to rent at a price a single person can afford when there's literally one million illegals that are only here to siphon off money and send it back to their family in the home country that are willing to not only not buy a house and to rent it instead, but also to live five people to a house all paying $700 a month netting the landlord $3500 and pressuring prices upward.

>>2026775
>Price to build a house? $175 per square foot

If you're getting assfucked by a GC, sure

Even with corona-pricing you still get into timber frame for $50/sq-ft for materials and some specialist labor provided you don't have a retarded floorplan

>Price to build a barndominium? $90 per square foot

Again, GC rape. maybe $60. labor is more specialized and you're unlikely to solo most red iron kits if you don't know what you're doing, but you can maybe solo some flying truss and Cold-formed buildings.

>>2039183
I note that we started in Austin, then with claims for all of California, then just LA and concluded with post hoc justification.

If you want "logic" then how about : brown people use housing more efficiently then white people. The invisible hand of the market is of course going favour the more efficient use.

>>2039177
>nigs nog
>yah nah I'm gonna avoid that
You rasis!

>>2039217
>I note that we started in Austin
I never mentioned Austin.

>If you want "logic" then how about : brown people use housing more efficiently then white people. The invisible hand of the market is of course going favour the more efficient use
That's correct. It will continue to favor efficiency until you end up with the Kowloon Walled City again. Nobody should be advocating for that.

>>2039149
Don't live in metro Austin.

>>2039582
God that looks awful.

>>2039614
You deserve to live in a cardboard box with a $500,000 mortgage.

Fuck it, just give me a yurt.

Fuck, here in Spain it's even worse.

To buy a 400.000€ house you can only get a mortgage for 80% (90% sometimes if LUCKY).
So right off the bat you need 80.000€.

Then there's 11.5% sales-tax and stamp duty, so you'll need 46.000€ MORE. So now you're up to needing 126.000€.

THEN, there's agent fees and lawyer fees so expect another few % pluf expect 5% more on top of the whole thing for unexpected expenses. So that's, say 7% more, i.e. another 28.000€.

So to buy your 400.000 house you'll need 154.000€.

AAAaaaaaaaahhhhhggggggh....

>>2023476
What's /diy/'s thoughts on earthships? I'd love to build one, sans windmill.
Only problem is unfortunately the biggest attraction to doing it: there is no way a house for which half of the walls are made of tires and dirt is permittable or insurable.
Without them, of course now the costs are increasing, but you also lose the thermal properties.
Any ideas on how to do this without tires? Could it work with simple concrete blocks instead? Or would that be cold as fuck in winters? Especially with no backfill.

>>2039905
they always end up ugly and moldy
just build a regular green house and a nice summer room on the north-west side of your house like a white man

>>2026769
>>2026792
the question is, will house prices continue to go up? been trying to buy a place but it's so competitive rn

>>2039920
He is white and this is proof enough.

>>2027649
This is the correct answer.

>>2023476
I am looking at picking this place up but it has no septic system
I want to live there full time . I could stand the metal building for a main shelter.. its decently finished and should keep me from the elements but I come here to ask for ideas bout where and how to locate and construct a proper composting toilet structure aka outhouse. Look at the images of the property lay out .. where should such a structure be built. far enough away from the living area but not so fat that if I need it on a dark Winter's night I break a leg finding it.

I want to lay a concrete floor and use metal supports. it will need electricity run from the solar inverter underground to power the fan on the toilet and a light . I want it to look finished and be of durable construction not just a simple wooden outhouse.

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/100-Vista-Galisteo_Cerrillos_NM_87010_M11929-92952?view=qv

I thought I could breed fancy dogs, raise goats for milk and make cheese

>>2023476
There is some show on netflix where a couple did this. Can’t remember the name of the show.

>>2026769
2nd gen hongkonger to usa here
the ton of mainland chinese people flooding in with chinese money doesn't help.
There are entire blocks of empty million dollar homes near me owned by chinese

>>2040268
Vancouver has been fighting about this for years. It's as high as 30% of all sales going to mainland chinese sometimes. They just voted in an empty home tax of 1.25% of the total value of the property a year if the building isn't occupied for at least 6 months a year, lets see if it does anything. Of course they're not actually going to sell or anything, it's explicitly intended to create "Long term rental homes." Can't have normal people actually owning anything.

All the instructions on the website are in english first and chinese second lmao

>>2027439
bootlicker

>>2039889
You can't afford it, you're too poor. The system works. Half million houses are for millionaires.

>>2039905
The design in the pic doesn't work. Many tried, but it gets damp, it molds and air gets pretty much toxic from all the organic matter in the air after a couple of years (or sooner depending on the climate).
Also, tires shed so much plastic in the environment you're better off having a proper, modern insulation if you're making this for the environment.
Yes, it costs a lot more than using waste.

>>2040202
>I thought I could breed fancy dogs, raise goats for milk and make cheese
If you're not already doing this or have done this on a small scale, even on someone else's property/company, you're going to regret it and waste a shit ton of money, time and health.

>>2034309
Wow, what an absolutely pathetic design.

>>2040539
sounds like my internal self sabotage... why do you say this? You get goats, feed them quality organic stuff , gather their milk, buy established cultures from France and Spain for that Old World flavour, build a little cavern in the side of a hill with shelves and let it ripen underground , sell to fancy shmancy outlets in Santa Fe or online.... as for breeding doggoes it has pretty large cages,, buy a male and female of some in demand breed , let nature take its course and sell the pups.

>>2040583
Ironically, the scale is too small even for someone who is Hobbit sized. It's really not a bad first attempt and would have made for a really great backyard playhouse for children. Even flawed, it's enough of a novelty to be booked up as an Airbnb for eight months in advance.

what type of structure is this? am i an idiot for wanting to live in one?
essentially a big garage with a living quarters up stairs that looks down on the garage.
kitchen on ground floor under living quarters separated by a wall from the main garage.

>>2040603
it's called demyelinated upstairs condo

>>2040603
Good luck heating it up

>>2040598
Working with animals is nasty if you're not used to it. Go try it out before, even some volunteering at some animal shelter.

Also, if you want a business, you need to know the market.

>>2039106
I wish I lived in a cul de sac. I live between two of the main streets in my semi urban town. Once in a while someone parks partially in front of my driveway and there are people who blast the bass in their cars driving by all the time.

I’m trying to move out into upper NJ where it’s more properly suburban, but as some people have mentioned in this thread the supply of housing in the current market is not good.

>>2040603
Consider closing off the entire upper area if you want it warm in a cold climate. If you're tropical, fuck, go for it!

>>2040691
that would be the plan. like a windowed area you would see in an old school assembly factory. not exactly like that, but im sure you know what im talking about.

>>2040328
lmao, my cousins visited us on the east coast from vancouver and we were talking about chinese money and the real estate there and they were saying "well at least it's good for the economy"

>>2023476
Anyone have any experience with fachwerkhaus? They seem like the way to go.

>>2026855
niggers did this damage

>>2040945
Obsolete.

>>2038916
Lets say the market crashes in 4 years.
You buy a 400k house with a 30 year mortgage. Then in 4 years you would have paid back more then 50k. So unless the price drops with 50k its still cheaper to buy a house now. Also the interest rates are extremely low right now.

>>2041226
Plus if we end up with hyperinflation (a good possibility) and you have a fixed rate mortgage, inflation ends up paying for most of your house.

Will lumber prices ever come back to reality?

>>2040715
That'd be dead simple to frame that last wall. Just make sure you insulate it well. Garage lofts like that are a good match for spray in insulation. Pay some shlob to do the spraying and the rest of it is pretty easy. (you saw off the foam that bubbles past the studs and then put up your wallboard.) The last thing is how are you heating it? If it's forced air, where is the furnace and make sure you insulate the ducts. If it's woodburning... Make sure you are damn careful with your fireproofing when you design that...

>>2041293
Whenever Canada opens the border.

>>2041220
Great reply, nigger.

>>2034431
Chelan, Washington. It gets cold over there. She probably doesn't stay there in the winter.

>>2038916
>>2041226
plus supposedly you're still gunna pay rent for those 4 years

>>2039100
Immigrants help keep housing prices down by turning any area they infest into 3rd world squalor.

>>2039217
>brown people continue to lower the standard of living in the US
fify

>>2023476
It's viable under the right climate, average yearly temp in the 17-18°C/ 62-66F, where summers are hot but not in the 40C-100F
As far as cost, it won' triple or double the budget like>>2023498 says. Do you think farmers pay the cost of a house per each of the thousands or square meters of greenhouse? Taking in energy savings, and the fact you donn't need roofing on your house, nor wind/rain protection, you can just buil an OSB box, you could even land no more expensive than an ordinary house, depending on the project.
As for heat, these things are desined to manage heat, or crops would die every summer. That's where the price can go up, with aeration that opens up automatically at certain temps, self-deploying shadings, etc, or you can go cheaper and have every thing hand operated
Link to one in my city, it's in French, the guys says he can be in a T-shirt in the greenhouse part 10 months out of 12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZamxuO-ZGHU

>>2040673
The sure fire way to get a house right now is to buy land and have one built. Most builders take 6-9 months to build a house, so it's a bit of a wait but still. Hard part is finding a builder with some cheap house plans. Not everyone wants a mansion.

>>2039582
lol that house isn't even close to Austin. There isn't shit in Muleshoe, TX, that's a bum fuck no where town no wonder it's so cheap

>>2039196
>$50/sq-ft for a house

Keep dreaming pal, you will NEVER find a turn key house for that price. There's more to building a house than just some lumber. You need blue prints, engineering approval, electricians, city permits for the building, water, sewer, electrical box setup, etc. My wife and I have talked to a builder in the area who could do a a 1,800 square foot template house (not some custom one off house) that already has all of the blue prints, etc. worked out so you don't need to pay for that stuff from scratch. He builds a basic 1,800 square foot house for $365,000 turn key after all permits, materials, electrician, sewer etc. approvals are done. That's $200 per square foot for a turn key house. You will NEVER get a turn key house for $50 a square foot, even if you do basic stuff yourself like painting and installing door handles and what not. That's only gonna shave off a few grand from the final price. I know this because I'm not talking out my ass. I've actually been pricing building vs. buying.

>>2039889
Fugggg sorry m8 that sucks. Maybe buy a condo or look into building something.

>>2040603
It's called a barndominium, see this post. >>2026775. Note the metal siding everywhere, and the clearly all metal frame on the inside that has been done up with sheet rock.

>>2040640
a dozen or so grazing goats on 20 acres? doesn't sound too too bad. I'd fence them off from the area where I do my living.

Anyway my primary reason for that post was to get ideas for a composting toilet outhouse if possible looking at the pictures of the property in that listing.. I wanted to see where others would place such a structure.. maybe build it large enough to put a shower in it too as I'm not sure one is in that main metal building.. as it has a well and solar set up that is a huge plus in that area.

>>2023498
What are the chances of that two Autists in the thread... oh yes 4chan, pretty likely.

>>2026786
Fuck off with your Europe shite.

>>2026961
No wonder all you Slavs are coming to the Great Uk in droves.

>>2026934
Oh no I just spent 2k on turf last year, and now some guy on the internet said “no”

>>2023476
I built a couple of greenhouses for work recently, they're quite pleasant to be in and really got me thinking about living in one. We assembled it with 4 people (two of them were fucking useless but sometimes you just need hands and not brains) in about two months, and the greenhouse itself cost about $4/sq ft and it's sturdy as fuck. It's pretty easy to keep it at a comfy 85 degrees year round, but I wouldn't try to build a cabin inside; they can get pretty humid. There's things you can do to maintain the humidity exactly where you want it, but it's not as easy as maintaining the temperature, and the steps you use to change the humidity will change the temperature and vice versa.

A house is just straight up better than a greenhouse in every way for a living space, but I think you could live more comfortably in a greenhouse than most apartments for basically no money if you were okay with being at least a half hour drive from anywhere worth being. The big problem with living in a greenhouse is that while ag zoning lets you get away with a whole lot of shit in terms of permitting and such, building a permanent residence without paying Mr. Shekelstein his permit and inspection fees is a big no-no.

>>2033663
You can add waterproofing adaptive, or paint it on.

>>2044259
>composting toilet outhouse
Shit will compost but urine fucks it up so you need to separate the wastes. Urine must be processed to remove nitrogen or it will pollute surface waters. Some folks store it and dispose in bulk because the process takes a long time.

>>2044353
this is in New Mexico.. i;m not sure there is any surface water.. the wells are dug pretty deep below the surface.. but you're sying dumping it off in a back portion of the 20 acres as far away from living areas in still going to backfire and create a regreatable situation? I watched a few videos on composting toilets and they only glanced over the "removing liquids" and mentioned nothing about disposing of it.. I'll look into processing urine for dumping. maybe get a fifty gallon barrel and use whatever chems do it then dump it

>>2044362
>dumping it off in a back portion of the 20 acres as far away
That would work fine but obviously illegal so do it at night and move around to different locations because neighbors have a way of finding out about stuff like this. Same with the shit-composting. Don't talk about it in town.

>>2044362
Make gunpowder w it

>>2044380
i surmise you didn't look at the property listing above... its a 20 acre off grid property with nobody within miles next to federal land...

>>2044470
Then why are you even asking? If you are not afraid of being caught then practice open defecation. But it seemed like you were trying to come up ideas for with something systematic.

>>2044182
Why does everyone need to live in Austin?

>>2044481
location primarily then any other suggestions on construction if anyone had done anything similar..

"In a multitude of counselors there is wisdom."

I wasn't aware there was a need to conserve word counts on this site...

>>2026769
Almost none of this is true
First off, you shouldn't be buying a 400k home with only 58k in the bank, that's insane. I have almost that much and 280k is our maximum.
Second, you don't need 10% down to secure a loan. There's literally dozens of banks and lenders who will let you go with 3-5%
Next, pmi is rolled into your monthly payments, not something up front. You're talking about buying points to get a lower pmi. Don't bother, as you won't be living in that house long enough for pmi to matter. Besides, pmi only kicks in until your remaining debt is less than 80% the value. Once the value goes up and you've paid down some more, you can get a new appraisal and get out of that
Speaking of appraisal, if your appraisal says it's worth way less than your offer, the next guys will too, and the sellers only choice is to lower the price or hope someone pays cash.
Lastly, your option period lets you figure out if you need to get out before you lose earnest money
Also, earnest money is 1% most of the time, not 1000

>>2044224
>turn key house

bro, when the fuck did I say a turn-key or spec build? This is DIY, build that shit yourself.

>>2026742
Afraid of a little vocs? Just ventilate bro.

>>2044528
Many many many job opportunities in Austin, especially in the tech industry. Amazon, Apple, Cisco, Dell, eBay, Facebook, Google, IBM, Intel, PayPal, Texas Instruments, Oracle, Rackspace, etc. have offices in Austin. That's good for anyone with a tech degree, accounting degree, finance degree, management degree, etc. The music scene is great as is the craft beer scene, weed is generally acceptable, and it's just a non-judgemental town in general where you can be a bit different and that's ok, no one is gonna make fun of you. Lots of people make their own art and make stuff with their hands. Grow stuff, make soap, chop firewood, etc. You'll see a lot of people out jogging, riding bikes, walking dogs, and just exercising in general. It's a very active town and the people who live there are generally very pleasant. Needless to say, many people want to be in a town like that.

>>2044604
This is ALL TRUE. I know because I am currently going through it right now. I'm not just guessing or saying what I've heard someone else say. I'm in the process of doing this at the moment and have both a buying realtor and selling realtor and lender lined up and this is how it is right now. My wife and I make $188,000 combined annual. After taxes we could pay that off in 4 years. Also you are forgetting after selling fees we will have about another $75,000 of equity tied up in our current home. So we really have more like $133,000 to put towards the house, of which we will put $100,000 towards the loan and then restructure for a $325,000 loan over 30 years. We have to put 10% down because we already own a home, so this is technically considered a "second home" even though we will be selling the house we are in immediately. From a lender's perspective if our current house doesn't sell for a while then yes, we will have two homes so 10% is required in our case. We are required to pre-load PMI for three months. If we were to bundle PMI into the monthly payment instead, then due to terms and conditions of the loan we would not be able to drop it off for a year. I'd rather pay for 3 months than a year, and yes, we've shopped around for loans. We won't be buying any points.

Cont..

>>2044604
>>2044946
cont..

You don't need to have paid down 80% of the loan to drop off PMI. Rather, the value of the house vs. the amount you still owe needs to be a certain dollar amount apart. We had our current house appraised a few years ago and were able to drop off the PMI way before the 8 year auto drop off mark. The way the housing prices are increasing so much, most people can get an appraisal after living in their house for about 3 years and it will have gone up in value enough that they should qualify to drop PMI. Houses aren't going for less no matter what they appraise for. Like our lendor and realtor told us, a $600,000 house went for $725,000 and a couple offered$20,000 over asking on 6 different houses and didn't get a single one. Appraisal value means nothing when everyone wants to buy. It's a sellers market so it's supply and demand right now. Earnest money is whatever you want it to be and you specify the amoung in the option period contract. Our realtor said she suggests most people offer $600-$800 in earnest money. She had one client offer $4,000 which she said was insane and there was no reason to do that. Like I said, I'm going through this right now so I'm not just talking out my ass. It's a seller's market so like it or not this is just how it is right now.

>>2023510
Says the guy still living at home...

>>2026742
>doubt

I used to work in a pvc fitting factory and never heard of anyone getting sick.

>>2026769
>$400,000

Lol, fucking don't.

>what is FHA loan at 3.2% down.

Why on God's green earth the average Joe is so easily sold half million dollar homes in cuck-a-sac neighborhoods I'll never understand

>>2026803
I did that for over a decade. Highly do not recommend living in embarrassing shithole...

>>2026934
Or clover and get a bunny!

Grass started because richfags wanted to brag about having land that they don't have to grow food on.

I have grass because my wife won't let me rock and spray the yard and I can agree it's stupid. But so is mowing when I could have an orchard and cattle instead.

>>2026961

>>2026978
>concrete domes
>1000/10

I've shitposted my plan before but I think with the op thread theme it's worth mentioning. I'm pretty sure I've got the cheapest and best way to do this figured out.

You want rock screenings or sand. Pour a large concrete pad. Either round it out or make a tunnel using hoops on a track so you can shove people back and forth to pack/smooth it. Tie rebar. Shot Crete it. Go inside with a power washer and trash water pump. Ideally you'd want to dig a settling pond or RIP pump. Or use a skid loader.

Alternatively you can just dig trenches and fill with concrete. Then use a skid loader to dig it out. I know a guy that did that during the Cold War and it's still being lived in. I'm not sure how thick the roof is but he put all the dirt from inside the house on top plus extra.

Personally my dream is to just build a Solar powered boring machine and turn that bastard loose until I die.

>>2039114
Empty houses are expensive and I’d bet most small time landlords are over leveraged

>>2027278
To control the sheeple of course! We do the exact same shit in America for the most part. It's just worded differently and mixed with 95% of the world's useless litigation

>>2039177
It is rational

>>2027439
You could get lucky and do like I did. Buy an absolute derelict shithole, paint it, put new tin on the roof, and move in. Property tax will go up and you'd have to pay cash or get some other loan to avoid inspection.

>>2027722
I have 3 houses and less than $75k in them. Everyone thinks you have to live in town where everyone else is competing for a place to live. A 20 minute commute can be pretty nice if you aren't a people person and can't force yourself to get up early enough to deal with faggots all day.

>>2028137
>this.

Sadly it's either have money or /diy. Hell, lumber prices are so cucked right now I'm seriously considering buying a sawmill to build a storage shed.

>>2028265
It's sadly simple. They ain't. Our money is worth less than half it was when the fucking boomers took us off the gold standard.

The financial crash is inevitable. I'm not preaching doom and gloom conspiracy shit I'm 100% serious. This exact same shit already happened before. Several times.

>pic VERY related

>>2030176
>cheaper

No

>less maintenance

Yes

Concrete and rebar ain't cheap. Using conventional methods it is roughly 3 times the cost to build underground than on top. This is why I always suggest building shit that's on top and burying it.

Unless you can get the costs down.

>>2030481
Yup, and it's exactly how the government words it for your property taxes.

You know, because God forbid you build a barn and live in it without uncle Sam getting paid...

>>2030490
Yup! What's even worse is our entire fucking economy is built on this.

Banks started back in the day when people had to lug around actual valuables and money like gold coins. You could trade in for easy to carry paper money then.

Banks being the greedy shills that they are don't think twice about poking the new cash cow and start loaning out and investing their big pile of valuables since hardly anyone comes back to exchange the paper money for hard to handle valuables. That's why the great depression happened in part. Everyone got scared af and when they tried to take their money out the banks all went "woops my bad. Get fucked."

>>2033074
My biggest fear waking up with the house under water.

Build on or into a hillside with a bigass drain, dehumidifiers, and redundant ways to control a flood like a raised floor and generator backup for sump pumps.

>>2044955
At the end of the day it'll be a $300,000 loan after we put a total of $100,000 down including profits from selling our current house. A $300k loan is very affordable, and since the house will keep going up in value our future kids will get a nice little inheritance some day

>>2033635
...he hit the nail on the head faggot

>>2033663
That's why PEX is. Sweet geothermal heat/cool is where it's at.

>>2033958
Anon this is/diy. With a little fiberglass or a welder, an old refrigerator, and sheer autism we will shitpost about round refrigerators and egg chairs all day.

>>2034431
Where you and 4 friends build a fucking shanty nobody lives in for youtube bux?

>>2034854
I know people that do this. Pretty fucking based desu. One dude just moved his camper inside. As long as you aren't shooting sparks into your living room it's pretty badass.

>>2035248
Highly recommend a buddy or two and a rental insulation blower from Lowes. Makes short work of that bullshit. Also either do it soon or turn your ac down to 45° and do it at night. HVAC guys can confirm this. Hot as balls.

Grats though. You are right. Due to population increase and inflation you almost cannot lose money on property. There's always unforseen circumstances but if you live anywhere near a major city you can watch what direction the city grows in and then go buy a few miles in that direction. In 5 or 10 years your property then be in the middle of the city fetching a premium.

There's a reason why the rich all own real estate.

>>2037347
My redneck plan for a shop. 2 shipping containers and a roof. Then maybe one on the back then the front then just start sprawling out wherever my autism and welder take me.

>>2038834
Go be a Mexican kid and walk around El Paso?

>>2038888
It's a good way to die desu. I used to dig ditches. Even a few feet of dirt sluffing off can be enough to kill you. Pay someone to core dig and buy property. Then you can mine it out and sell the screenings to pay for fuel. You'll still have to Shot Crete it but you might not die that way. All of the big mines I've been in were done this way so I'd bet on it being the safest and most cost effective way.

>>2039087
That's okay though because we have the Federal Reserve Bank. It's not federal, has 0 reserves, and isn't even a bank but that's okay also because they can just print more monopoly money and use my hard earned tax dollars to bail out the rich faggots at the top and call it a "bail out."

https://youtu.be/abMQhaMdQu0

>>2039103
Just do the 40 minutes commute. We aren't far away from having self driving cars and being legally allowed to sleep

>>2039115
>California
>places people actually want to live

>>2039128
Of course it's cheaper to buy. Landlords wouldn't have existed since the time of kings and queens if it wasnt.

>>2039149
Make Texas California Again!

Fucking halfway cocksuckers....

What you need anon is an FHA loan and hunt Bank repos for a couple of years. Maybe even make a sacrifice and buy a duplex or triplex and then tear the walls down after it's paid off. My house used to be a duplex. It makes for some goofy ass catch-all rooms but it can be handy. I was installing a shitty blue flame wall heater because I was poor and retarded. Found a gas line capped off a foot from where I needed.

>>2039177
DON'T TAKE THE BAIT EYYYYYAH!

>>2039183
You can't use facts and logic to argue with weaponized autism anon.

>>2039217
It's okay anon. You're in a safe space here. You can hate anonymous internet shitposters for being white a little less than you normally do. He can't help the color of his skin. We had a big fight about this a long time ago and it was resolved. BLM and fake news just exist to keep us divided and keep the oligarchs that own us in power.

>>2039905
If you live where it's pretty dry you might be able to get away with just the rammed earth blocks like the third world shitholers do.

I've actually looked into it for a workshop or a cabin for shits and giggles. You basically want a giant log splitter that presses blocks. You can use dirt with a lot of clay if you have it. Or maybe a mixture of dry dirt and 10% concrete.

I once made green sand for casting aluminum out of ag lime and bentonite gel. I'm not sure how well it would hold up to the weather but I always wanted to try and build something to test it. You'll have to seal the inside since that bentonite dust can give you cancer but I don't see why a coat of Killz wouldn't be enough.

Plus, fuck it. I welcome the cancer.

>>2040028
Almost certainly for the rest of time over all.

If nothing else but for inflation. With our fiat currency things of actual value will continue to rise until the tower falls over.

Buy when you "can" not when you're "ready." For most of us "ready" never comes but we can pay a mortgage for 3/4 of our lives.

>>2040054
>mfw white with no septic tank

>>2040202
My septic tank blew up before I moved it. Had a shit pond for 1 year now with no troubles. You'll want to fence it off from dogs and if possible enclose it so faggot mosquito cucks don't spread disease. It's beyond windy here and cold in the winter so I've never had mosquito problems. You might want to dump more than normal amount of microbes in it and wherever it is point it where the wind blows away from the house in the summer so it doesn't stink.

Composting shitters are unnecessarily expensive. You need a small heating element, mixer, vent fan, and a place to sit.

>>2040598
Shit is a lot of work but if you keep your bills low you'll be fine. I've got friends that breed heeler pups. They keep 1 male and like 5 females. Pups are $800-$900 and sold before they are even born. I want to do it myself but I'm lazy and greedy. I want my pups to live a comfortable and happy life. There's no way to make any money with a climate controlled setup much less play time from me for 100 dogs.

>>2040602
>this
>airbnb
>backed up 8 months.

Fucks sake I'm buying a fleet of cucksheads and fake log siding...

>>2040603
>barndaminium. And he'll no. I got a buddy with a setup like this. You have any idea how easy it is to move furniture in and out with a 20 foot wide door? If you can keep it insulated and not bake your balls off in the summer it's badass.

>>2040715
Protip. Windows are the world's worst insulator.

Even with new triple pane windows a typical house window is the equivalent of buying a $400 yeti cooler and then cutting a fist sized hole in the lid.

Any of you poors have cold drafty ass houses and 0 fucks given for asthmatics cover your windows in insulation.

>>2040869
Amd those are the exact people that deserve to live there among it.

>empty houses
>good for the economy

>>2041226
Even better. If the market crashes you might be able to get a refi and fix the place up. If it goes up then sit comfy with a good decision

>>2041293
Doubt.

Spend a few grand on a cheap bandsaw mill and diy a solar kiln or regret it forever

>>2044224
Don't forget. Anything the drunk subcontractors install wrong is YOUR problem 365 days after it's built.

GC are retarded cucks. All they are is a fucking office secretary in a pickup. I've never seen one do any work at all. Just be on the phone tard wrangling out the cheapest osb boxes they can.

>>2044314
Don't forget. Those polycarbonate panels aren't cheap and you have to replace them every few years

Looking to move back to my parents in the midwest because I'm homeless and California is shit. Currently considering building a guest house on their property to live in. What's the consensus on converting a prefab shed into a living space? Doesn't seem like it would be too difficult, but my biggest concern aside from cost is keeping it well sealed.

>>2045175
>converting a prefab shed
Why devalue your parent's lot? Isn't bare land cheap in the midwest?

>>2045183
The lot already has three other buildings on it besides a 3 bedroom house. One is my dad's workshop, one is an old ass barn that needs to be torn down, and the last is a massive storage unit so my hoarder mom can keep shit and not have it be in the house. So adding another building clearly isn't a problem. I'd say yes to fixing up the barn and making that livable, but it's so old that the effort to bring that up to code would be more than it's worth.

>>2045175
Just keep silicone on hand. I live in a cedar cuckshead. They even put wall studs at 16" centers so you can insulate it and move in. 10/10.

>>2045226
How long have you been living in it? Is it holding up well?

>>2045142
Ours use inflatable soft plastic sheets, not rigid panels. It's about $2500 and a weekend's worth of work to replace, and supposedly they're good for 5-7 years.

Hey guys I’ve been looking at a variety of heating methods for greenhouses, and is there any way that ethanol can be utilized?

I’m thinking specifically along the lines of natural gas heaters etc, wouldn’t there be a way to burn ethanol as a cheap and effective fuel source?

I’m too scientifically illiterate to surmise either way, and it doesn’t help that ethanol has been snubbed so much by (((big oil))) that it’s difficult to find reliable information.

>>2044224
T. Never built a house.
Create a new spreadsheet and list out all the materials needed to build a house. Specify price per item and how many you'll need. Multiply, then add in permit costs, water/sewer hookup, etc. Then subtract whatever number you got from the asking price, and realize you're either paying about the same labor rate surgeons get per hour, or your GC is pricing you based on your zip code.
Here's a tip - go to a GC with a shitty prospective property in a shit area. Going rate was $110/sqft two years ago, and even then GCs were making out like bandits.

>>2040945
Yep the wattle and doub infill version. Brick is expensive.

>>2026769
You Americans are fucked up with all those extra prices and inspections.
Here in Poland prices of land and homes go up fast now due to the fucking printing money, but we have much less extra cost.
Trying to buy hose with wife as well.

>>2045792
I recommend Home Depot or Lowes for hoses, and go for the thicker walled ones. A 50 footer should be more than enough

>>2026961
>Here in EU in some states is illegal to live outside the city network
>Oh cool, I found a nice country cottage with 1/4 acre near a quite village - guess what, its illegal to live there, you have to pay the county fees to change the land status to residential, after that becomes illegal to have a building for living, without running water from the state department and electricity,
>>2027649
>EU here too, in my country it's pretty much the same shit, but there are loopholes everywhere,

What. The. Fuck!?
No fucking way! What country!
This is unthinkable to here.

>>2045792
Things vary greatly in the US. Some places require a licensed professional for any work including things as simple as replacing a faucet or installing a ceiling fan. At the other extreme there are counties with no building codes whose only regulation is that you must have some sort of way for dealing with piss and shit. Something as simple as a composting toilet is all you need. Beyond that, if you want to use gummy bears as load bearing walls, that's up to you.

>>2045928
We here ware tought for generations that US is heaven where it comes to regulations and gov. intervention.
Guess cancer of communism got to you too.

>>2040268
They literally print west coast MLS's in newspaper form in major cities in China. The thing is, they not only get to offshore their money out of a commie country who can redistribute it at any time ... they actually get fast tracked for dual citizenship because they're "investing in America".

The middle class is under attack from all angles and this is one of the biggest.

Anyone have experience with barndos? I found a place for 250k that includes 10 acres, a capped well, and a barndo shell. This is a smoking deal out where I'm at. I figure I could finish out the inside for another 50k if I do a lot of the work myself ... framing, finishing, painting, etc.

>>2045300
Well you'd need a fuel permit and have to use additives to make it unconsumeable? Or basically you're bootlegging moonshine. You'd need a tractor and a few acres of corn for it to work in any decent way.

Look into geothermal and composting.

Digging a pond is a great way to throw in some pex while simultaneously burying some. You could get a walk behind trenching machine and lay corrugated shitter pipe. There's a Nebraska bro that have lemon trees on youtube. You might be able to talk some arborists into donated dumotruck loads of wood chips. They'll put off a lot of heat composting and may even be a good spot to raise some sort of worms for your pond fish.

Good luck bro

>>2045229
~12 years?

It's a bit of a constant battle fighting moisture so I tore off the sheet rock and used screws with cedar panels so I can just pop it off and see what is going on. I also shoved it onto a cement pad.

For what it is it ain't to bad. Saving money to buy land and got a buddy with farm animals who will rent it to pay its own property taxes

>>2045936
You should have been taught that the US is a huge place and despite having an insanely large and powerful federal government, still varies greatly state to state and area to area within each state. The nice part is that you can decide what level of government fuckery you want to deal with when you pick where to live. The amount of regulations you need to deal with are very different between Atlanta, Idaho and Atlanta, Georgia.

>>2045958
What always weirds me out is that state that has the most innovative and futuristic technologies developed is also the most over regulated and communist. Im talking off course about Commiefornia.

>>2045944
>a capped well
Got a well test?
>no septic system?
Verify

>>2045995
Septic is on me, well is verified. Out where I live 250 is usually the land only so it's still a deal no matter how you look at it. It's also ag exempt so that's another huge benefit. Ever finished out one of these shells?

>>2045950
I'm thinking vapor barrier and then going the extra mile and doing closed-cell foam insulation. If I'm gonna be living in a shed I damn well want it sealed. Nice to know it's lasted you this long though.

>>2045965
Because they're resting on their laurels. All this new iteration of the state has done is push Silicon Valley to Austin and increase the homeless problem exponentially.

>>2045937
china doesn't allow dual citizenship, and buying real estate doesn't count for the investment visa requirements

>>2046005
China doesn't allow a lot of things they constantly turn a blind eye to, and investor visas like the EB5 are absolutely a thing.

>>2045998
Looks like stick framing so should be easy. Does the lot have electricity or gas services?

>>2045944
Metal roofs are the way to go, you can get 70 years out of one. Imagine going your whole life never having to replace your roof. Less maintenance, why not?

>>2046027
buying property doesn't count for EB5, you're just talking out your ass.

>>2046000
Yup. Hasn't been bad. I use a bug sprayer and cover it in a gallon of water sealant one or 2 times a year and other that if you have a hoarding problem like me you'll want to build a storage shed. It's comfy but it's quick af to get cluttered

>>2045792
Thank you anon, I appreciate the advice. I’m looking at some land in Missouri cause I’m done with the city. I’m familiar with the geothermal design, Nebraska bro is who inspired me to get into greenhousing, but in the event I don’t have access to thermal I’ll need back ups.

Land I’m looking at rn has 16 acres. Any anons have the scoop on NW MO?

>>2045948
Modlę się że nie jebną mnie za jakieś 10-15 z ceną nierealistyczną. Patrzę się na ziemie około i po za Opolem i ostatnio nie było tak zle.

>>2046086
With a crime rate of 36 per one thousand residents, Quincy, Ill has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities.

>>2023476
you'll need a large air exchange system, some way to prevent too much moisture, and it'll be hot as fuck in the summer. seems like a terrible idea, why not just have a house and a lawn if you can afford all that instead of putting it in a plastic box?

>>2046171
Relative to where I’m from that’s nothing boss, plus I’ll make sure to steer clear from Quincy anyways.

To all of these people wanting to build a house within a greenhouse, why not just attach a greenhouse to your home, open a window within it and use a fan to blow hot air from the greenhouse inside?

>>2046201
In short, autism

>>2046086
Po chuja mieszkać pod Opolem?

>>2046064
Investing in a business does. Buy a house, put it under ownership of a corp, hire your Chinese immigrant cousin to be the halfassed super ... you're officially a job creating dual citizen. Literally saw this dozens of times in norcal. You're either obtuse or a shill, I'm hoping obtuse but assuming shill.
>>2046028
Electricity on site, gas I'd install a propane tank later. I live mostly out innawoods and code is pretty relaxed but I have zero experience with framing so I'm nervous about it.
>>2046049
I want a full metal shell, honestly. My dad bought a mcmansion in the 90s and its basically coming apart at the seams. Interior can be wood framed, that's not a huge deal for me.

>I have zero experience with framing so I'm nervous about it.
>wood framed, that's not a huge deal for me
It's tough to respond to this idiotic ramble. Ask framing questions.

For those thinking about building inside of a metal building, here's a YouTube channel about a family that did that as temporary housing until they build their more traditional house. Looks like it worked out pretty well for them.
https://www.youtube.com/user/babysownspace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W--KWjvNq8

>>2040945
https://www.fachwerk.de/

Any love for earthbag construction here? I think this family has the right idea, instead of one big house each person gets their own smaller structure. They've done a separate kitchen, bathroom, shower area, etc. and are now doing hydroponics, a garage, it's just so cool and so cheap, just takes some elbow grease.
https://youtu.be/n_yAY1Ybfmk

>>2048598
They've made a whole village for themselves and it's neat that each kid got to customize their own home. But it seems like the type of thing that only works in certain climates.

>>2040603
Is this legal? Most places have strict building codes which require fire rated walls between garage spaces and living spaces. Is there some kind of loophole here or are people just not officially 'living' in them?

>>2048672
As always, the answer is that it depends on the location. Restricting the conversation to the US, building codes run the gamut from being nearly non-existent to having yearly inspections by the local tax accessor looking for any authorized changes to your property.
In most places, what is in that picture would not be legal as a primary residence. Using that space as a dwelling would not be permitted but as long as there is a house on the property that's up to code as a residence, no one is going to come around checking if the loft in the garage has a futon in it. Building just a garage on a property without a residence usually is only permitted if the land is zoned non-residential. But as noted above, every jurisdiction is slightly different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IlgVPiDScQ
>Seven years ago John Wells sold his heavily-mortgaged home in upstate New York and bought 40 acres in West Texas for $8000. The area (Brewster County) is so isolated there are no codes or zoning restrictions so Wells built his own tiny home (in 9 days with $1600) relying on his set-building experience.

>>2044937
>globohomo tech
>craft beer
>dudeweed
>non-judgemental
>make soap lmao
do everyone a favor and go back to Cali